Never go Back

I mean we even hired fucking Rafa Benitez for Christ's sake.

Where is the succession planning and identification of managerial candidates as its non existent at EFC.

For me Carsley is an exciting option but a massive risk but he would be my pick.

we did seem to be very consistent against the weaker teams and generally found ourselves in the top half of the league.

I actually thought his football was quite watchable and certainly better than most of the mangers that have followed him.

Happy to have him in the short term, but it is hard to see how he could succeed long term, mainly because we all know his limitations and they will start to grate before too long.

We are hopefully moving into a new and much better era, so why would we want anyone from the worst era in our history?

I can see the counter arguments, but every single one of them involves an Everton, that was not really interested in winning, and this is another reason why I don’t want Moyes.

I read a report last night that said the Friedkin’s often surprise everyone with their managerial appointments, so I’m personally thinking Fonseca, but that’s because I don’t want David Moyes, anywhere near us.

Since Kenwright took over our club, it has forever felt like we are on hold, and I actually feel like my support of Everton, is on a life support machine right now. Why does football create so many crazy emotions, inside of me?

Failure in Champions league - we are currently nowhere near that
Failure in Fa Cup semi final - we are currently nowhere near that
Failure in Fa Cup final - we are currently nowhere near that
Failure to beat any of the top teams - not true, besides its performances against our peers and mid table teams now that will keep us in this league

I think if we were a mid table or better team looking to move onto the next level then I would agree with you, but we are not and we need a steadying hand. Long term appointment, yes I want someone more dynamic but it’s horses for courses at the moment I’m afraid.

What I think is important at this time whether you agree with Moyes’s appointment or not is if that’s the decision of TFG then we should get behind him and the team for Everton’s sake.

I know I will be.

If Moyes comes in for 18 months (plus 12 month option for us), I would trust him to stabilise the squad and bring in some emerging talent. I think Moyes despite his history, is a better bet than Potter - I think he can set up a team better defensively. Moyes I think would out-point Potter. West Ham will really find out if Potter has any substance - my bet is not.

Would either win a trophy? probably not.

To fail in the champs league, an f a cup semi and an f a cup final, I think most Evertonians would give a right testicle to even be competing in a champs league, or cup final, let’s not forget that yes he did not beat any of the top 6, he did a damn good job of beating best of the rest.

Give me 3 points everytime against teams around us, than 1 point to those in the top 6.

The problem Moyes faced was everytime he built a team close to competing, we lost players to the top teams, he was forced to sell players, starting with Rooney, Stones, Fellaini, Arteta, Pienar for a short while, Lescott, Gravesen.

When I look at Everton from Walter Smith onwards, I see our club struggling until the Moyes era, then you have 1 season of Martniz playing great football, then shite in his second season, since then Managers have come and gone, Silva did an ok job, Carlo did a great job then tailed off towards the end of his tenure.

Whether Moyes is the answer or not, and me personally I think he is the best choice for the short term, with possibly an 18 month contract, anyone else right now is a huge risk, Moyes knows the club inside out, he is a far better Manager than Dyche.

Finally the old saying never go back, well Moyes did at West Ham and landed them a European trophy, bringing players in like Ward Prouse, Kudos and the likes.

You only have to look at West Ham under Moyes, then after he left first time the struggles, then going back and form improving again, then dipping when they got rid of him a second time.

It could be anyone we bring in, but if indeed it is Moyes, I believe we have made a very good choice, bring Carsley in as his number two for the longer term.

Others will not want Moyes and that’s fine whoever is on their wish list, I am certainly in the bring Moyes back corner, someone who will give us our identity back, and unite the fans, team and club.

Just my opinion.

I well remember a journalist asking him at his Utd presser what it meant to become Utd manager.
His reply..."it means I can go out to try and win games".
The man is a fucking snake.

I don’t think it’s a desperation appointment at all, I think the motivating factor at this present time for TFG is who will keep us in the division short term and I agree with Ian, Moyes is a safer bet than Potter.

We may have to offer him a 2 year contract but that doesn’t mean we have to keep him for 2 years, or we may offer him something upstairs instead, who knows. That’s the nature of the beast.

Staying up is absolutely everything at this present moment.

If it was the summer I would totally agree with a manager for the longer term, but the situation we are in now, I think Moyes is the safest option.

How about a poll Mike

Yes or no Moyes.

He took us from relegation battling to challenging most years for European places!! Wouldn’t most of us love that kind of progress over the next 4-5 years?! Yes, he said some silly things when he left to United but clearly he was desperate to ingratiate himself with them.

He’s not what I want long term but short term it’s hard to see many available managers who’d want to come and could hit the ground running.

He’s a decent bet to get us over the line hopefully and unless he does exceptional work TFG can pay him off this summer and get someone more inspiring to usher in the new era.

My prediction is that Moyes will be shocked by the "talent" he has to work with. He won't have a Bowen to bail us out. I hope he was watching last night because I thought we were woeful, even against poor opposition. A good PL team would have ripped Peterborough to pieces.

I'd have sooner us have gone for Carsley or taken a punt on Mourinho for the heck of it.

I'll support Moyes, if it is him but I've got a feeling it isn't going to turn out well.

We're looking because we aren't higher and because we have a real scenario where we could fall into relegation.

We were on a 2 week all inclusive in Kos with the kids and were in Europe longer.

Couldnt stand Moyes after the semi final debacle against Liverpool. They were on their arse and there for the taking with a third choice goalkeeper and we were on a decent run. We went in at half time one up, and in the second half Fellaini was never allowed to cross the halfway line, we invited pressure and lost.

Knife to a gunfight, what a mentality. It may be true, but why give up before you start.

Very disappointed if they give him the gig.

There are only 20 premier league clubs and jobs here don’t come around often. Add to that Dyche was on £5m a year and we’ve been a constant in the top flight for half a century. I cannot imagine TFG has not spoken to other managers but can only guess if these managers have said no, then they have aimed too high and/or didn’t cast the net wide enough. Moyes would a desperation appointment given they have been looking at buying Everton for months. Unless they thought they could muddle through with Dyche to the summer and he called their bluff first.

We’re not in the relegation zone and I firmly believe we will stay up. This reminds me a bit like the panic of appointing Allardayce to ‘save us’ when we were not going down in any case. He just got several £m for doing bugger all and spent £50m on Walcott and Tosun. A new guy coming in would know the only aim this season is to stay up - there are worse teams below us. Tick that box and he’s got easy credit in the bank to move onto next seasons, with a spanking new stadium.

This squad, if it was a bit more attacking with some belief and confidence can win games and finish around 14th imo. A fit McNeil would make a difference in itself and he may be back for Villa. The likes of Armstrong, O’Brian and Patterson showed they can actually play, if given a chance. We do have a little depth.

Getting a new man in now is a fantastic opportunity for TFG to bring hope and optimism back to Goodison. This would lift the players as well. Getting Moyes in, I just cannot imagine how stupid that would be. Have they not taken any kind of feedback from supporters groups at all? They must surely know there’s a not too small portion of the fan base that don’t want him near the club.

Nigel @ 5, name me one so called top team Moyes beat, away from Goodison? His record is horrendous as was most of the football produced under his tutelage.

I cannot stand the two faced, snake in the grass. I cannot understand how anyone can possibly think he is a safe pair of hands. Ask Sunderland fans if they consider him a safe pair of hands

We can probably wave goodbye to Ndiaye now too. He has far too much flair to fit into a Dour Dave team.

A very disappointing first managerial appointment from TFG group

In the medium term, Jesus Christ himself couldn't get much of a tune out of this squad, so it's all about player recruitment, rather than manager recruitment.

In the long term, we need a solid platform to build on, and that platform will take at least the two years that Moyes will be contracted to us.

This appointment is being made at a time of crisis.

It is not like the circumstances in which Brighton appointed Hurzeler or indeed when we appointed Martinez after Moyes.

It is more like the circumstances in which we and other clubs have appointed Allardyce - and we appointed Benitez and Dyche.

We are in a real fix.

A really talented manager like McKenna is not going to come now. He might have come I'm summer after survival was assured but he won't come now. He would also like Thomas Frank be waiting on the much more enticing Spurs job.

We might be able to appoint a Carsley, Rohl or other - but the risk then to the Friedkins is extremely high.

The sort of manager you want now, is the sort of manager who will follow Moyes if he does a good job and the Friedkins stabilise the finances.

It's beyond parody to think we're getting a spanking new stadium in an iconic location with a reasonable chance of the first league game being in the championship.

Then to top it off the new owners believe Moyes is the answer.

Sometimes you just have to laugh.

I think you might need therapy!

My biggest concern is that TFG should’ve had plans B, C, D etc lined up already. Clearly they didn’t and they’ve hit the panic button and gone for what they probably see as a safe option. I’m not sure I share their assessment of Moyes, it seems a little risky to me.

As for ‘taking a knife to a gunfight’. I hated that statement as much as anyone; however, this season, Dyche has been taking a dessert spoon. An actual knife would be an upgrade…

If you’re reading this Davie, are you sure you know what you’re doing?

‘Progressive’ was a word I was searching for earlier as crucial for the new manager.

But the Google meaning example says ‘a progressive decline in popularity’

So we may have a progressive manager after all. We’ll win the FA Cup of course.

Will (or should) he be able to get more out of this squad (i.e. find a better balance between defence and attack?) than Dyche? I think so.

Were we likely to attract a more, on the face of it, 'exciting' appointment from those names mentioned (Iraola; Frank) and entice them to leave a secure role in exchange for a relegation battle? Behave.

Fans are being overly emotive about Moyes meaning a lack of objectivity.

"Those painful 11 years" Michael? It had its peaks and troughs but overall thats not how I recall it and certainly not compared with the last 11 years.

If measured *only* in trophy terms, then, yes, Moyes' last spell was a 'failure' and he *did* fall short on those occasions when opportunity was knocking but the Club and it's immediate needs are very different now.

On balance, I think replacing Dyche with Moyes gives us a better chance of getting to BMD as a Premier League club which is all that matters.

2 year contract by all accounts.

That’s his safety net should he get potted before and he will get paid off. Oh to be a premier manager 🙈

If he returns we simply have to get behind him. We need to get back to basics and start winning games again.

Our only priority has to be staying in the league.

Forget any ‘ambition’ we simply need a couple of steady years to build us back up.

My first coaching session would focus on how to pass the ball to your teammates who are 3 yards away!!!

Start with the basics 😁

No manager will ever be good enough for many of our fans.

While we are at it where are those ‘Sack The Board’ banners?

It would be nice to be anywhere near an FA Cup Final or the Champions League spots these days.

What I find incredible is that TFG have taken on a near £600m investment and have run due diligence for several months and this is the situation we find ourselves in. It really doesn’t put them in a good light and already worries me that they don’t have a clue, barely 3 weeks in. It’s not to be forgotten there are Roma fans protesting against them.

You’d have thought they would have a plan A, B, C etc given the manager is such an important position. Even if they initially wanted Dyche to stay in place to season end, surely there would have been a back up plan, a manager tapped up to move in earlier if needed. Moyes is obviously a desperation move as he’s available and been with us before. That doesn't qualify him to come back however.

[Potentially] putting in place a manager, who from day 1 will split the fan base, isn’t a clever move. Regardless of how well (or not) Moyes does, there will be a lot of fans turned off until he’s gone.

For several other reasons to those Michael lists, I don’t want the guy back. With us he was two faced and only wanted the money. I clearly remember in 2008, having failed after fawning himself to Spurs, he held the club to ransom to get a 5-year £4m/year contract (up from his previous £1.5m/year) to be one of the best paid managers in world football. He then moaned about the players being paid too much. He then just ran his contract down. This at a time when he well know we were skint. Him and Kenwright were a proper pair. I respect him for his early years but he showed his true colours in the latter years.

Thanks but no.

I won't get out the bunting if he returns but our goal this season is survival. Then, with the finances sorted and a fresh manager (hopefully) next season we can start becoming a team that many of us would like to watch.

Grudgingly, I have to acknowledge that Moyes' record also includes avoiding relegation. And he would certainly be fired up for the forthcoming game against West Ham.

(Grits teeth)

If it is Moyes, or whoever it is, then I urge us all to get behind the team and help secure our PL survival. Our away support is fantastic, Goodison has been flat for a while. We have to play our part again.

100% agree!

I never said anything about winning against top teams away from Goodison. They are not our peers though are they. Michael said he never beat any of the top teams, I said that’s not true, it’s not, correct me if I’m wrong.

The football was unattractive, I don’t disagree but needs must at this present time, our squad is poor.

‘ I cannot stand the two faced, snake in the grass’. Therein lies the real issue, it was the way he left wasn’t it? again needs must. Don’t cut your nose off to spite your face.

‘Ask Sunderland fans’ I have, lots of them and the overriding opinion was that Moyes was the least of their problems, probably the worst squad I have ever seen in the premiership. No Mackem I know blamed Moyes for their relegation, he should never even have taken the job, a live hand grenade.

I refer you to West Ham, twice in the relegation zone, twice safe and much more recent.

‘His record was horrendous’ - actually much better than Dyche.

That’s the end of Ndiaye- rubbish.

If you don’t like him then that’s fine but for me survival in the Premier League outweighs everything else in the short term and he has form for achieving that.

He left us for Man Utd, so he's a snake! Lets get real.

The Prem. is an unfair competition, PSR gave the usual top clubs even more advantage over us poor sods now in the bottom half of the division.

You now cant buy the very best players and if you are lucky enough to find and develop a quality younger player he's off to you know where. Its very tough for any manager in that senario.

We simply must stay in this division now if its only for the money, they will have sounded out other managers you can bet on that.

Moyes will do an ok job with the tools he's been given and deserves our full support for the next 18 months.

"Moyes said that Sunderland was in a "very difficult situation" and emphasized that the club would need to work hard to avoid relegation. He also mentioned that his objective was to stabilize the team and improve its performances, although he was candid about the fact that the squad needed significant strengthening and improvement.

Moyes also noted that Sunderland’s primary goal was to stay in the Premier League, recognizing that the club had been involved in a relegation battle for several years prior to his appointment. He expressed a strong sense of determination and belief that he could help the team overcome its challenges, although he admitted that the task ahead would not be easy.

In summary, Moyes understood the threat of relegation and was focused on avoiding it, but also acknowledged the difficulties and challenges that lay ahead. Unfortunately for him and Sunderland, the club was relegated to the Championship at the end of the 2016–17 season."

For all the thoughts around positive player recruitment (over many years), we also had to endure - Per Koldrup, Simon Davies, Andy VDM, Bilyaletdinov, Magaye Guaye, The Strac, Royston Drenthe

Whilst I'm happy to absolve him of blame for the cup final defeat against Chelsea - They were superior in every position and the conspiracist in me thinks We were never going to be allowed to progress in THAT CL tournament. I agree entirely with your sentiments. In fact I don't think you go far enough.

You don't even mention that shameful, shameful day Wigan came to Goodison and played us off the park. The humiliating surrenders against the top teams. The mental scars inflicted on youngsters who traveled wide eyed with excitement to Lisbon and Bucharest. Moyes could give me 3-4 stone but I swear I would happily have settled things with him in the Boleyn car park when I arrived late after a nightmare drive from Mussleborough to East London, only to discover that he thought it was a good idea to play without a striker.

As Uncle Bill would say "We had some good times". The Carsley derby, The memorable Gosling winner, but if you blinked you missed them. That glass ceiling seemed to get lower and lower every time he spoke about playing against top clubs.

Split fan base ? I suspect the waiting list for season tickets will disappear overnight if this fella gets the gig.

Sunderland were confirmed to be relegated to the EFL Championship for the first time in ten years on 29 April 2017, after a 1–0 loss to AFC Bournemouth, marking the first relegation of Moyes' career. After the match, he stated that he would like to remain as manager. However, on 22 May, one day after the end of the Premier League season, Moyes resigned.

One of the more printable views of a current Sunderland message board:

Overall because its a London club[West Ham] he’ll be seen to be a success but on the whole an outdated manager who will fail at whatever club he’s at next and he’s 100% no saviour for any club either

Like Michael I despise the man, I despise his negative one dimensional tactics, I despise the way he left us and his comments about Evertonians. Like injured players, who somehow become better players when they're injured, Moyes has somehow become a wonderful manager since he left us. I suspect 90% of fans were happy when he left us - a similar figure to the number of Hammers fans when he left there as well from what I understand. Apart from Cahill I cannot think of a single player who improved under his coaching.

How is appointing Moyes a move forward? I will always support Everton but I will not applaud or support Moyes and will look forward to the day he leaves (assuming his dreadful appointment is confirmed).

MOYES OUT

How

You're right. Apologies. Writing dross. Brain a little fuzzy here today (just back from travelling overseas). A reason but not an excuse.

Moyes out!

It actually makes me sick.

I would like TFG to actually look at the team and the problems that exist and then find a manager who can actually come in, win over the squad and give the players confidence to do new things in an effective way. Mourinho and the other managers mentioned in another thread don't appear to me to fit that bill. What I really don't want is for some retired footballer who hung up his boots a couple of years back a la Lampard, Rooney, etc. to be given the job and sadly that also goes for Ferguson.

Carsley could be an option, if for no other reason that he is passionate, has a battling mentality and gets teams to play fluid football at times. However, Southgate should be ruled out as he lost at least one Euros because he was to cautious like Moyes.

Moyes has become a journeyman who had very little success at Everton 20 years ago and even less success since then.

So why the backward step.

May as well go with Biansey, Rooney or Tom Cleverley if we want to gamble like this.

Come on Freidkin & Co. Get real !!!!!

If Moyes keeps us up, they can move him on with his bonus and do the reset they were planning on.

It’s a big risk, but keeping Dyche when he’d clearly checked out, would be a much bigger one.

It still seems to me there’s a small chance that we go a different direction. Nowadays one or two people can plant stories in the newspapers and make something seem a done deal when it’s not.

Moyes was before my time, so I don’t have the emotional history of living through that era and his leaving us for greener pastures. But based on his record alone, it seems a sensible choice. And as others have said, it’s also entirely possible no other reasonable candidate wants to take a chance on us.

At this point getting one or two signings over the line is just as if not more important right now than the manager.

That's the highest in the last 25 years except for Ancelotti (1.53 and 43.1%). And Moyes managed that despite taking on a poor, ageing team that had come 16th the previous season. And yet people seem obsessed with some of his (relatively mundane) soundbites?!

I doubt he'll do so well or have as much time second time round but we could do alot worse.

But whether it was always in him, or it developed over time, he became a more and more conservative manager, and the second half of his tenure was broadly one of stagnation.

And, while I don't hate Moyes, I have the same sense of despair and frustration at the idea of him being re-hired. It's the epitome of lack of ambition. If the argument is "we need to stay in the division, however miserable the football" then we may as well have kept Dyche until the summer.

This set of players is not great, but neither it as awful as it's seemed. It's not like before the season we were thinking "oh, Bournemouth and Nottm Forest have a much better squad of talent than us". We have enough to be competent, if competently managed.

Every managerial hire is a risk. But I really wish we'd take the risk of reaching for something better, more positive, more ambitious, even at the danger of that failing, than one more going for the least imaginative, least ambitious, most status quo maintaining hire possible.

I say Let me be disappointed again.

Let me ‘feed the yak’, let me sing about ‘the best little Spaniard we know’ or debate with any football fan that our left side is as good as any in the league.

The Fiorentina game we failed in but my god, what a night, what a game and what an atmosphere. The other failures mentioned, oh what trips and memories they still provided us with. Like it or not, we are fighting bigger dogs since the 90’s and our decline and we failed many times in the past at the big moments but right now, we are getting beat up by shitzus and sausage dogs that big moments don’t exist for us.

Am I filled with excitement at the sense of intrigue and positive front foot football that a Fonseca or ‘insert name of mostly unknown foreign manager’ that such an appointment would bring ? No.

But we are a basket case of a club atm. Years of surviving by the skin of our teeth, points deductions, Psr issues, new owners who have their own issues at Roma and a sub par team that is going to lose plenty of players out of contract this summer and possibly its brightest young player to a big team in Branthwaite.

Any manager willing to come here right now, is likely not of the calibre many would want. When players are apparently choosing Ipswich, Nottingham Forest and Leicester before us, we have to accept that right now, we are not the ‘big 4’ team of the past or even a team looking at the European conference league. We are so far behind others that unless you are a blue, we are not an attractive proposition.

The membership of the premier league is our most attractive selling point and that is under massive threat.

We shouldn’t accept mediocrity but just like when we appointed dyche, certain situations require certain solutions. There is to much to risk right now for the new owners to risk an untested manager in the premier league. Yes there are some successes, there are way more failures and we have had plenty of our own since Moyes.

When building a house, you get the groundwork craftsmen in first and when the foundation is solid, you then start to look at how to make it sparkle. Right now the foundations are crumbling.

Moyes may simply be the best we can get in quickly to steady the ship, a phrase many will hate but may have to swallow.

The consensus is that Moyes will achieve that.

Thats ALL that is important presently, premiership survival.

At the end of the season TFG can look at how he fared, how we played and should they keep him and roll the dice in the Summer transfer market.

In the summer we can look at alternatives if the fit was not right.

You have to understand TFG have no problems with Managers contracts they just sack if they don't deliver ie Roma ?

TFG are still business people behind the scenes and will want results.

If you deliver you in, if you dont then theres the door. I can live with that if it gets improves the team and the club.

Exactly right Mike, just because he signs a 2 year contract doesn’t mean we have to keep him for 2 years.

The FA Cup Final against Chelsea was a game we could have won IF

The referee Webb, hadn’t booked Hibbert after 8 minutes for a foul on Malouda. Hibbert spent the rest of the half crapping himself and frightened to tackle.

We were without long-term injury victims Phil Jagielka, Mikel Arteta, Yakubu Aiyegbeni, Victor Anichebe and Nuno Valente. Half the team and the spine of the team. It’s easy to just look at the result and not the reason.

I’m not happy seeing Moyes drag his sorry arse back to Goodison but I can see the reasoning. We need to continue with our defensive solidity, just attack occasionally and maybe, heaven forbid, try a shot in goal. If Carsley came as well to learn the job of managing in the Premier League I could accept it easier.

PS. Howard, Coleman, Hibbert, Jags, Distin, Lescott, Baines, Arteta, Osman, Pienaar, Yakubu, Cahill…..every one of those players would walk into our present team and that side would qualify for Europe. Though it pains me to say it, Moyes built a good side there.

‘It’s not what we want but..’ line has been used for Benitez, Lampard and Dyche with predictable results.

It is embarrassing and humiliating to the club that we are considering this professional failure to lead us to BMD,

It is also a regressive and divisive appointment which a large portion of the fan base will completely reject … again

Moyes has been out of the game since his second stint as Hammers boss came to an end in May. He has been linked with numerous jobs and fielded some approaches this season - but for now, is content to enjoy a break.

"I don't consider myself done yet but I am certainly enjoying some time off," he told BBC Sport.

"The one thing I won't do is put any manager under pressure personally, because I don't believe in it. I have not liked it when I have been in that position myself.

"We are all getting a little bit older and I have to make sure I am doing the right thing for myself.

"Football is in my blood. It has been since I was a boy. I love watching football and I have enjoyed my career.

"If there is another part to it, so be it. But I would only want it to be a good part. I wouldn't want to be coming in and doing something which is very difficult.

"I don't want to be at the bottom of the league and fighting relegation which I have had a few times, so we will see how things go."

That final comment is the one that bothers me the most, as Everton are fighting relegation, and it is a very difficult situation to manage.

I'm not mad about going back to Moyes but you can't claim he is a bad manager. He has shown that he can take a average mid table team and have them play above their level and battle in around the top 6.

I just now found out, living in a bubble, that Dyche was sacked.

So, I reeling from this information overload.

Dyche had to go. Simple.

Moyes, if named, is just a disaster. I don't care if he has success, he's not the man for the job. We've now swallowed every bit of pride we ever had.

Does no one remember his smug attitude when he left for Manchester? He's comments about Roberto? "He'll figure out how that club works." [paraphrase, can't be assed to look up the exact use of words]

He was a complete dick, shed us for what he believed to be greener pastures with a condescending attitude, and kind of shit on us on the way out the door.

His football isn't overly pretty, I don't see how he's any imporovement over Dyche in the end to be honest. I don't mind a conservative approach to the game, but Mr. knife to gunfight isn't going to overly improve us in the least.

This is a nightmare. This is Benitez mark 2, this is awful.

Find somebody, anybody, other than Moyes please.

Lee Carsley, up or down, would be fine with me. And if you don't like that call due to Carsley's lack of coaching experience, I'd remind you of Mikel Arteta not having "experience" and going to Arsenal. Yes, he coached under Pep. But Lee coached the freaking England National Team, so how do you define "experience"?

Pick anyone if you don't agree with me. Anyone. Moyes is simply NOT the answer.

Tony Marsh, somewhere, is reeling in pain. If Tony is no longer with us, he's rolled over in his grave.

This is AWFUL. Just no.

The people slagging him off would probably have loved us to have been in for someone like that Amorim fella at United. That's going well for them.

He has proven at all clubs that have given him more than a season or less that he will do better than most and improve their lot.

We'd all love to win the league. Who are these managers that can come in and do that at any club regardless of any other factors? They don't exist.

Quit whining about not getting the better of one of the best 4 sides in the Champions League that year with a squad that had no right to even be there having barely stayed up the year before and then having lost Rooney for a down payment of just 10 million quid.

It's silly given the fact that no other manager, despite having better resources, has managed to even get there with us since the competition was created back in the 90's.

Moyes in.

If he comes, I’ll support the team and wish him well.

If he doesn’t, I’ll support the team and forget all about him.

The best part of his time here, were some of the comments on TW by John Daley and Eugene Ruane, that made me laugh out loud.

My view is that the next Permanent appointment TFG make is a show of intent. If that intent is Moyes then it is unambitious and a backward step.

Yes he stabilised us and early days that was good, but he almost singlehandedly changed the Everton psyche to be "That'll do" rather than "Should do better".

People see 5th as an achievement but to win nothing is not.

It showed very quickly when Martinez took Moyes team and got more points in 1 season than he ever managed. Beat top teams, which he never managed.

Moyes as a stop-gap til the end of the season, I will just about accept. Into BMD as a returning king of Everton. Not for me.

BMD deserves a star. Everton deserve a star - not an average manager who is way past his average best.

Please remember it is 12 years since he left us and he was a dwindling force then.

1. He's got half the fan base against him before he's even took a training session.
2. Is he really a long term replacement? Surely not, yet if he does a good job keeping us up then what ?
You have another decision to make ?
3. The fans are crying out for something new, fresh, forward thinking, progressive & uniting not devisive or sentimental.

Unless it is an absolute certainty that stay up or go down he leaves at the end of the season then it's a no ! Even then I'd look at every single other option first.
THIS MUST ONLY BE A LAST RESORT.
Yet seems like same old Everton. No real ambition, no long term strategy.
The optimism from Dyche leaving has.been sucked away in 24hrs by this news.

I was in favour of a replacement, but the speed of events means there is no one in place, so not a well planned and orchestrated succession.

I didn't hate Dyche the person, but I had come to really dislike the whole package of him, his coaching, tactics, and some of his press statements.

But here we are, knee jerk appointment coming, missed Potter, Jose was never happening, so what's on the cards at short notice without a huge comp outlay that wipes out psr and any transfer budget?

Moyes was on record saying he was not up for a relegation fight, he'd wait for the right appointment, what's he saying now then?

He won't take a 6 month job, who would, is he the man you want for the next 2 yrs?

Tfg have jumped in now, so have to put this back on track asap, not the most professional start methinks..

D.Moyes left Everton 15yrs ago in not so pleasant circumstances. Since then he was with Man Utd for 10months, won nothing, Real Sociedad for 12months won nothing, Sunderland that ended up Relegated, went to West Ham 2017/2018 and left, went back to West Ham on 2019/ 2024 and in 2023 won the Europa Conference League Final, that year West Ham finished the league in 14th place. So what makes him an ideal candidate for Everton.

We either look for another Dyche coach or another more pragmatic coach as surly all managers and coaches study the methods of attacking and defending with one emphasizing over one or the other but they still understand both sides of the game.

We should get a coach in for the future , continuing going to the past coaches is not working.

When it comes to managers their opinions as a silent majority are almost irrelevant. Apart from the obvious need for points what really counts now is the usually strident opinion of the vocal minority on social media.

With Moyes in the frame we are already seeing him undermined by negativity on here and elsewhere. After a couple of defeats the negativity will spread very quickly, the mainstream media will report increasing pressure on the manager and before we can say ‘he needs to go’ we will be in yet another managerial crisis.

It is of course all very entertaining but also quite depressing.

When Moyes was at Everton I remember all the criticism of him on TW by certain individuals for only getting us to 5th or 6th in the league pretty much every year. He did a fantastic job with very little money and recruited some fabulous footballers for bargain prices. But he never got the respect he deserved from some of the fans.

It seems to me there is a cohort of Everton fans, particularly on TW, who have a completely unrealistic expectations as to where Everton should be at the moment. We have a very poor squad of players. I think only Pickford, Tarks and Branthwaite would get into a top half EPL side. Whoever becomes manager is going to struggle to do any better than Dyche.

Moyes is a pragmatist and a realist, which clearly clashes with the fantasist element of our fan base who can’t accept the current reality. We need a manager with these sort of attributes to give us the best chance of staying up. Hopefully we can reach the point where we can again compete for honours but until we do let’s park the hatred hey and get on with supporting our manager, whoever it may be.

Nick, Hibbert was booked after eight minutes, every Chelsea attack afterwards went down our right wing. FairPlay, you do acknowledge the fact that we were missing players but I can’t believe that we sat back. Chelsea were a good side and they managed to beat a depleted Everton. Webb was the villain of the piece booking Hibbert for his first foul. I was there too. Hugely disappointing result.

Look elsewhere.

Respect your opinion, Andy but two things there. Firstly, people are allowed to aim a bit higher than ground level. It’s called hope. Secondly, Forest finished well below us last season and are joint second. Villa under the nettle licker similar and same with Newcastle under Bruce. Brighton, Brentford and now Bournemouth (jeez) have been promoted through the divisions. None of whom have been allowed to spend crazy money. Why should Everton, a point ahead of an average Championship side be so admonished? I would suggest it’s 1. The management/managers and 2. The culture of the club (accepting second best) rather than having “the worst squad” etc etc. It just doesn’t make sense otherwise.

On the same basis, how many dished out you fat b to Rooney when he returned playing for Utd, kissing the badge, once a Blue and all that, but then stood out of their seats applauding, when Rooney returned and fired a hatrick in against West Ham, that ridiculous half way lob over the West Ham keeper.

Rooney and Moyes left a sour taste on certain things they said and did, but I still think we need Moyes more than he needs us.

A lot of the players we have at Everton now is a far better set then that Moyes inherited on his first stint at Everton.

If Moyes comes in, I will have a sportsman bet, he picks more points up than Potter.

That’s my final say on the matter, until an announcement is made,

Michael, you are definitely a glass half empty man. In fact I'd say you're drinking the dregs. That Moyes got us into the Champions League in the first place (with Rooney gone the season before), was a minor miracle and he will defo get us moving up the table. He never made many mistakes in the transfer market and when I look at the players he brought in over the years, like Coleman, Baines, Pienaar and Arteta, I for one would love to see him back. Certainly better than the shite we've been served up recently.

I would love him to bring Lee Carsley with him too, possibly with a view to him being a long term successor.

He's just a relic of a bygone age.

And the idea of walking out into our shiny new stadium this fall with a new team and an old, recycled manager just appalls me.

I got the Friedkins totally wrong on this one and I am deeply disappointed.

So much changes over time and the circumstances of then and now, the Everton teams of then and now, the position the club finds itself between then and now have huge variables. Its like the GOAT argument that is always entirely irrelevant, as Maradonna would now be outrun, out-muscled and outfought by someone like Conor Coady.

What Moyes did last time was consistently fail to take the opportunity in front of him because he was a risk averse, defensive and miserable minded individual who would settle for the mediocre and safe option always.

As a fellow miserable Scot, I recognise these traits as being ingrained by Scottish society of the 70s and 80s, where success was a sign of deceit and subterfuge, creativity was divergent and being adventurous meant drinking a can of Top Deck rather than Irn Bru.

I believe he will again miss the opportunity, only this time, it also means the entire club misses the opportunity for the grand RESET.

Drogba coached, cajoled and instructed the Chelsea team and systematically bulldozed the entire Everton defense and midfield into submission. A masterclass.

No manager can guarantee us survival this season. Our options are limited. Moyes, clearly, is not everyone’s choice. But he may be TFG’s. Unlike some, I don’t despise the man. ( Let’s remember this is sport/entertainment we’re talking about). A “safe pair of hands” is required to keep us up. Moyes may be as good as anyone else to achieve that. Let’s take one step at a time. TFG can always review their priorities at any time.

I suspect they hoped Dyche would just get them through and with him gone they've just looked for an identikit replacement in Moyes. Not exactly the dream we were sold.

Link

Final paragraph sums it up:

Moyes's time at our club ran its course and it was clear by the end that he had taken Everton as far as he could about three years before he left. It would be a hugely retrograde and deeply unpopular step to bring him back, even for just a few months. If Moshiri, Marcel Brands and the Board are seriously thinking in terms of offering him any sort of deal, it would be tantamount to Allardyce Mk II and would cast the Director of Football in a very poor light indeed. Please, God, it doesn't come to that.

Michael I assume you put this article out as a means to do what you can to show the club how divisive this decision would be? Clever. It absolutely is divisive and an opportunity missed (again) if we go for Moyes.

I am not going to dig him out, I actually think he did a good job for us. Please for fucks sake can we stop wheeling out the "knife to a gunfight" quote as a reason to lambast him? He managed us for many years, is he not allowed to make a clumsy statement in that time?

By all means disapprove because its a backwards step and because he is a dated manager and because you should never go back.

I hope there is enough noise around this to deter them from this decision but who knows.

He knows the place snd a number of people still there like Seamus and Bainesy who will fell they can open up to him snd tell it how it is rather than bulldhit.

No one can doubt he is good at spotting good players on the cheap and knows the English leagues very well because god knows we need some quality recruits.

He will be determined to show the football world he still has it and will hopefully build a backup staff contingent for the future.

He operates well with limited budgets unlike the likes of Mourhino etc.

The only downside for me is his knives to a gunfight attitude towards the rich 6 but hopefully he has matured on that front.

The one thing I am certain about it that he will give some pride back to wearing the shirt and promoting the club unlike SD who bellyached we were a basket case with poor players every opportunity he had.

I was sad to see Dyche go. If he had saved us from relegation three years on the bounce, I was going to suggest we name the new stadium after him.

And now it's time for me to go, I know.

But that's EXACTLY what we did back in 2002 when we appointed Moyes!

"If we were higher up the table, it would be a definite no from me"

If we were higher up the table, Dyche would still be our manager.

Moyses M II, I'm hoping doesn't happen.

Whether he's a 'Sam Allardyce' appointment with a longer contract but ultimately short term, who knows. What I do know is we needed to ditch Dyche.

Our squad is really really weak. We need as an absolute minimum two top quality full-backs, at least one high-quality creative midfielder, and a top-quality striker. We can't buy them though because of the Moshiri legacy which has tied our financial hands behind our back.

What's the Latin for "We'll accept any old bollocks"?

And we can pretty much guarantee they will be half decent. When's the last time we could say that.

Max satis nisi merdentissime.

He was never my first choice long term, Sarri is; but it is a question of needs must right now until the end of the season, then we think again with more time to properly consider longer term options.

Listening to some on here, it's as if we would be stuck with him forever.

The management of Everton Football Club has for years been a disaster, and the new owners appear to be continuing in that manner and have seemingly left themselves with very few options.

This lot we have at the club now are proper shit. Got his work cut out for certain. I am not overjoyed at his return, should it happen, but we need to get behind him. He did a really good job at West Ham. Here's hoping... again!

Alan#155

Wirh you on your improvised motto.

The future seems to be missing in the equation.It will interesting to see the contract.

Sir Gareth could follow at this rate.

Don Alexander confronts Moyes recently regarding Kenwright.Moye's seem to think Moshiri was the problem.

On that I agree with Doǹ , Moye's should never be let near Everton.

Would that be the 8th, 7th (X2), 6th (X2), 5th (X2) and 4th place finishes that you grudgingly acknowledge we avoided relegation under Moyes?

They obviously wouldn’t hire Moyes if we were in no danger of relegation, but this is clear and present danger and Moyes has a better chance, than a checked-out Dyche, of getting a tune out of this squad.

Despite saving us from the drop 2 seasons on the bounce, we were still heading for it halfway through this season, so I would assume you are agreeing that Dyche needed to go?

On the basis that Dyche had to go, who else might be better qualified than Moyes for this club at the moment?

I actually believe some of them may be written by the same 'supporters' who've been calling for Dyche's head, week after week? What exactly did you expect? You couldn't make it up.

Mind you, never mind them, what about the leading article? Genius!

Anyway, it seems doom-laden mediocrity remains the order of the day for us, as it was at the start of the season. Sean Dyche couldn't deliver mediocrity, and so our situation is the same, toiling near the relegation places.

Moyes makes sense to me on a short term contract. I don't particularly like his brand of football, but it is what it is.

Get with the program folks.

I have it on good authority that Dan Friedkin called up Jenny and asked "What would Bill do?"

Deliberately so Oliver.

However, I am in complete agreement that bringing Moyes back is completely the wrong move to make. Combined with the manner and timing of the Dyche sacking, this story has me worried that the new owners are actually just a new bunch of idiots.

Another poster used a phrase I’m hoping doesn’t become a ToffeeWeb staple: same circus, different clowns.

Of course that article was written just after Silva had departed when things weren't as dire as they are today.

Be interesting to see Lyndon revisit that article given our current plight.

Also, for anyone thinking of not renewing their season ticket for next season for BMD, just remember one thing……Moyes will not be here forever, might even get the chop this coming summer, but giving up your season ticket just because Moyes will be manager, probably for only 18 months, is ridiculous, and you will not get it back, as there will be plenty on the waiting list who will snap it up!

Me….i get mine on Monday, and for the rest of this season and next, I will back Moyes, but far more importantly, will be backing the team. As I say, Moyes will not be here forever, the club and the team will, and anyone giving up their season ticket will come to regret it!

Moyes was also a shower of shit Rick, as proved at every disaster Moyes has overseen since leaving Everton. The guy is a walking advert for boring mediocrity

My Everton the Everton I love is a team, managed to win things, playing attractive football and being the envy of other fans not just for their team but the way we are run from the boardroom down, with fans known for their knowledge of the game and their sportsmanship.

Right now we are a laughing stock, thanks to Moyes and BK, who started the rot, with their low bar standards. Bournemouth fans taking the piss showed justhow low we have sunk. We are an irrelevance. Large sections of fans of other teams have never known Everton be successful, as have are own fans born after 1995.

Taking us back by appointing Moyes is something that will split our fan base. That is not what we expected TFG to do when Dyche was replaced but here we are by the looks of it. I hope it's all paper talk and a manager is pulled out of the hat to surprise us all. To think of Moyes managing EFC as we leave Goodison and then leading us into Bramley Moore is stomach churning. So please TFG walk away and look elsewhere, please. We are not that desperate Dan.

Carsley would be my choice also, with Tim Cahill in a coaching role.

He won't mess around with the defence, check, and will also be able to unlock the passion of the crowd at Goodison. Check.

He has recent management experience in the Premiership, taking charge at West Ham and steadying results and performance. Check.

That ok for you Annika? And your criteria?

"Nos te accipere aliqua vetus bollocks". or thereabouts.

That's not because of Moyes, that's because of BMD, the ground he said would never be built.

We can't bring in world class player's or managers due to finances and league position.

We can't keep Baines in situ, he's simply not got what it takes currently.

Honestly given a choice between Dyche, Baines or Moyes, I see Moyes as a step in the right direction.

All the other failed premier league managers failed to learn lessons, failed to adapt and failed to keep their job's because performances got worse. Everyone of them (and a few have been kinked with us) would be a worse choice for where Everton are right now.

Timing is everything. Exciting no, sensible yes. He may even turn it down.

This seems to be in large part because, like Mr. Gaynes, they are American. He also keeps telling us that they are ruthless American corporate capitalists who know what they are doing in the cut-and-thrust of the Yank business world and hell they will make sure that they will get what they want.

Message to MG on the cultural front: there will be more than a few British people who do not really run with the idea that ruthless American corporate capitalism is a good thing for our English club. In fact, there might be one or two on here or more who have themselves been the victims of savage American corporate greed or know someone who has been on its cold receiving end.

Events of the last two days show how wrong Mike Gaynes has been. An equally valid view, I think, is that TFG wanted to ruthlessly see out the season, ruthlessly keep Dyche in place, ruthlessly not appoint a new CEO last week, ruthlessly save a few pennies, ruthlessly do the bare minimum for the time being, and ruthlessly let us hop along to 17th.

Without knowing the ins and outs of the twenty-four hours before Dyche’s sacking, more than a few on here were of the opinion that if it is to be Moyes then there is absolutely zilch planning.

It seems to me, that unlike Mr. Gaynes who keeps on lecturing us about what a good job TFG are doing in the eternal city, many on here do not in fact believe that the record in Rome on and off the field is a good one (some letter from some Roma fan was leapt on as the key that unlocked the door - it didn’t really read like a letter to me).

If – IF – Moyes steps into Dyche’s tight shoes then Thelwell (Mr. Gaynes also often lectures us that the gaffer has no say in incoming) and TFG ought to look, well, a little sheepish (lambs not lions).

Oh wow the vicissitudes of unleashed Texan capitalism. Remember, the Texan sharks know what they want and they know how to get it, they wanna destroy ……

I think that we ought to be very cautious at this moment in time, especially if – IF – Moyes is the pick for longer than six months. We should hedge our bets for the short-term. This is all to say that TFG COULD succeed in their stewardship of our English club, but the time for “informed” large-scale super guesses is not now.

I do have some reservations, however, about appointing someone to stop us slipping into the basement three whose team leaked 74 goals in his last season with them. That makes Marco Silva’s defensive prowess (another one of Mr. Gaynes’s recycled pet passions) look like KIT.

If – IF – it is to be Moyes then, needless to say, we must back him, even though, like me, there might be some who shake their head at his gall after the manner of his exit in 2013 and his wish that Marouane had earned the right to play for a big club.

He absolutely will mess around with the defence and how will he unlock the passion of the crowd when so many don’t want him back? Check

Recent management experience of a club who couldn’t wait to get rid of him. Not to mention a fan base who detested him. Check.

Clearly a good fit then. Check.

Not to mention the fact he hates flair players. Say goodbye to Ndiaye. Check

No he didn't, not away from home.

So many don't want him back? A few keyboard warriors on here having a moan you mean. The fans who go the game will get behind him, they put the club first, which is the way it should be.

‘Hates flair players’. Are you sure?

So he didn’t sign Pienaar or Baines or Arteta or Cahill or Yakuku or play Osman or buy Saha or Jo or Van Der Meyde etc etc etc

By all means be dispirited but don’t make rubbish up

Not true Bill.

Utd. won the Charity Shield under Moyes.

I'll be more than happy for MK to delete it.

I still feel that TFG might succeed, by the way, but small steps for the time being.

Moyes longer-term will be an appalling choice and surely will only happen because Moyes with his high self-esteem will insist that someone of his stature must come in on a longer contract.

I suppose TFG want to give aa new manager Monday and Tuesday to work with the squad before Wednesday's reckoning with Villa.

The first set of bad results is always grim but Moyes has little to no credit in the bank for it's arrival.

Just as we thought the Benitez appointment was the end of mad owner decisions

Yes to a degree, with Alan Irvine as his assistant performances were somewhat more positive than when Steve Round arrived.

Thinking on it a bit more, maybe it's not a such a bad move?

With the UEFA coefficient and the repeat winners of our domestic trophies we have today Moyes would have had us in Europe 9 out of the 12 full seasons he was with us. No bad thing.

For the most part he also bought well, ok, out of favour players of the likes of Arteta would today cost ten times as much as the £2.5m we paid for him as today £15m - £20m is entry level but nevertheless he found us a core group of decent players.

Arguably we finished 5th under Martinez due to the majority of the squad still having the Moyes discipline, the following seasons we regressed badly even with a top quality striker.

Against Peterborough last night Posh had a pacey left winger, Hayes. A type of player Moyes would look to buy rather than spend millions on a nobody from Europe, surely attracting players like this on sustainable wages is better tha loaning the likes of Harrison and paying him £90k a week.

I suppose offically, I'm open minded.

Carsley and Baines have earned absolute zero stripes in senior club management. Carsley's total club experience is 10 lower level caretaker games 10 years ago, and he has said publicly that he has no interest in such a job. Bainesy just got his full professional licence a few months ago.

Working with kids does not remotely constitute the appropriate "stripes" for running a senior professional club in the toughest league on the planet. This is not a job for untried rookies.

We need an experienced professional winner.

And what are we winning now? If we stay where we are, or get relegated we're actually losing.

Very well said sir

You live and die by your decisions in football, just like you live and die by the decisions you make in life, and because they have spent all this money on purchasing Everton, it’s the Friedkin’s decision to make.

I hope they are getting some very good advice and mine would be that if you want a football club to be successful then you have got to try and unite the whole club.

Would appointing Moyes, unite Evertonians? Of course it wouldn’t, and especially if he’s bringing in Charlie Adam’s as his number two.

I doubt very much though if theres anyone on the planet that can turn this squad as it stands into a challenging for a top 10 side.

How about a rebrand:
Moyes Out Again Now

You're a steadfast remoaner no doubt?

I’ve heard Rooney being part of the coaching staff with Bainsey. I could live with that.

Moyes is yesterday's man.
I actually loved what he done at our club, but he done it because he was young, fresh & different.
Which is what we need now, a young motivated, coach who can look at these players, who are not top top quality, but in my opinion are not as bad as our position. They just need some belief, confidence and enjoyment instilled in their play.

I'd rather have Michael Carrick or Scott Parker, kieran mckenna than Moyes.

We were not in a too dissimilar position when Moyes took over, so why can't it be a coach on the way up not on the way down ?

What I struggle to forget is the shithouse way he left the Club

We were quick to jump on Benitez and his small team comment. However, in comparison that was nowhere near as bad as Moyes and his departure

Moyes isn't just taking over a team with more points than the teams in the bottom four. They have all played a game more and our goal difference is superior to theirs.

He only has to replicate what Dyche has done and he will be considered a hero by his supporters.

Those who have been screaming Dyche out and Moyes in better pray he can do it

"I feel like a mean motherfucker SIR".

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers; / For he to-day that sheds his blood with me / Shall be my brother; be he ne’er so vile, / This day shall gentle his condition".

We were dire for the entire 1990s, and were bang in trouble when we sacked Walter Smith and hired Moyes.

If his tenure was what amounted to failure, then barring Howard Kendall and Joe Royle, every manager we've had since 1972 has been a failure.

Did he really say that because I suspect you are talking bollocks.

In fact, if you Google that quote with 'Moyes', the only hit is your post.

Happy to be proved wrong if you can direct me to the source.

Maybe Dave Lynch you can run through that presser on YouTube and give us the minute in which he erm "said that"?

Here you go, Dave: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PfhkbI49ow

Yes, in his 1st season we finished 5th but it's worth remembering that in Moyes's last season, we finished 6th.
During the following 2 seasons and a spend of over £60M and arguably the best striker in Europe at the time, we could only manage two 11th-place finishes.

Considering our aging defence, Martinez compounded it by bringing in Alcaraz and whilst being a pundit at the World Cup was offered Aderwiereld for €3.5M but opted for Besic due to his cameo against Argentina.

I even can't forget that we could have had Van Dijk for £13M at the beginning of his final season but he thought Funes Mori was a better bet.

For me, £97M over 3 seasons poor recruitment and poor league placing did for Martinez.

I hate Moyes, he is a treacherous over rated big head.

But if I was confident he would keep us up I would welcome him back, I am not.

As I said earlier Moyes is my last choice but is the Friedkins first. So something is out of kilter.

Allan, I too like Michael Carrick. Awell. we'll have to live with the better version of Dyche, leading us to BMD. Hopefully no more 🔪 to a gunfight.

I would have Carrick over Moyes without hesitation. He is one of those managers were people will be saying in a couple of years time, why couldn't we have gone for someone like him?

Friedkins – if you're listening – Carrick, not Moyes!

But time to unite who ever gets the job, and ensure Everton stay up.

UTFTs!

Not many players, managers or coaches are loved once they leave for pastures new but I've never had a problem with people leaving to better their careers.

Many who haven't forgiven Moyes must still be living at home with their parents earning a few shillings cleaning chimneys or working down the local mines.