A Safe Pair of Hands

A lot of course, will hinge on how much we are allowed to spend and more importantly who we add, if anyone, to the current group. I am hoping Harrison gets sent back for starters, and Doucoure either has a new lease of life, or is condemned to the bench or beyond. We do have some good players but not enough to meet the demands of the Premiership.

Again, not my choice, but I will grudgingly support him in the hope of survival at the very least. Very rarely do second spells work, for either managers or players, let's hope he can buck that trend, and gladly prove me wrong !

COYB

Just one question though, was it just about West Ham not wanting to extend Moyes contract, I heard that Moyes himself wasn’t keen to put pen to paper.

Regardless of this season's outcome (that is, relegation or otherwise), a clear out is needed. No more big characters from yesteryear; it's time to move on.

1. I’m not sure Moyes would want this job and the back seat he’d have to take on a day-to-day basis.

2. A strong DOF develops a clear pathway from youth set-up to first team, something Moyes has never seemed interested in.

I like Carsley as a coach, and with Moyes’ experience to lean on it could work.

I'm not a Moyes fan either but, with all things considered, plus it's still the early days of the transfer window, it's a pragmatic and obvious appointment. I'd have taken the tea lady over Dyche but also would've loved to have seen a more progressive and younger man. But for the short term at least, this makes sense.

In my honest opinion, we won't go down with Moyes but we were in free fall with Dyche and would have!

Also, there seems to be a lot of narrative about how ‘bad' the squad is. I'm confident that they're a lot better than they've looked so far this season. Whether Moyes is the manager to show that, though, I'm not sure…

In fact, I think Moyes deserves great credit for Coleman's career, and Seamus has said as much. He had serious fundamental defensive flaws, which is why Moyes played him at right mid in 2011. Moyes coached him on positional awareness and helped him become what he could be.

One thing Moyes can do is teach.

Dyche knew he was not going to get a new contract.He though surviving relegation was not able to step up this season.The record is there for all to see.

Moyes will be able to survive this season in the Premiership, as Dyche would have probably done had he been on a new contract. But, next season Moyes may be able to get more out of the attack, which would be a step up on Dyche. It is probable that all those at Everton will fall in behind him.He is their choice, offering comfort in the face of New Owners.

Great Summary of the situation Lyndon.

I am comforted now rather than disappointed.

He got us into the Champions league and got us to a FA Cup final and a semi final on a shoestring, as well as finishing regularly in the top 8. And there are posters on here complaining, rejoice we have a man who will coach this team properly unlike the last man who the players have openly admitted in the last day didnt do much if any coaching at all.

Moyes will know that this is no quick fix and to try and change the total negativity that Dyche brought to this club will take a little time. But on Wednesday against Villa a very good team I will go there with optimism and hope, I had neither of those feelings going to Goodison under Dyche.

This is a measured, intelligent reaction to, and explanation of, the events of the last few days and I commend it to the house.

Does anyone know who Moyes may likely go for in the transfer market? He didn't have much pulling power when he last managed Everton so I hope that has improved.

I am hoping he sticks with the 451 formation which can also go to 433 or 424 with the right personnel. It is all about attacking intent and having the know how for me.

We do need a new manager bounce in his first few games.

Nonetheless, I am open to Moyes convincing me through his forthcoming endeavours. Perhaps he can start by securing a mid table finish - a Cup win wouldn't go amiss either!

Moshiri is gone, things will hopefully improve, let's just give this a chance, eh, and see how it transpires.

If that does not happen, Moyes may very well take us down. He is too similar to Dyche to inspire real change in the way the team plays.

His legacy would be to make us a laughing stock. Agent Moyes completes his mission, and so on.

We needed a motivational speaker and a football coach, not a control freak, old school general manager.

I'm not saying the cream of the crop of young players will be beating down our door now Dyche has gone, but at least they know there is medium term stability, with a manager who has won a European trophy recently, and has experience second to none in the Premier League.

Together with new ownership and a new ground, we're a slightly better proposition than before.

The manner of Moyes’ leaving, and his disdain for us, stuck in my craw. But the whole business of football in the English Premier League stinks, and is filled with greed. We either have to suspend our critical faculties, or give up on it.

The appointment has been made. It is not necessarily a retrograde step, it might just be a smaller step forward than we wished for. Perhaps now is not the time for a big step, but to hunker down to survive this season, and further stabilise next season.

I hope Moyes can use his experience, good and bad, to help us. And to nurture an up and coming prospective coach over the next couple of years.

The only thing Moyes' teams lacked was Lukaku, whom Martinez was intelligent enough to loan and then purchase.

Like many at the time, I was relieved he'd gone. I hoped a more "progressive" manager would unlock the attacking potential of the squad. Forgetting that Moyes had built the squad on pennies (yes, the wage bill was decent, but the net spend was a joke), I thought his successor would do more with what he'd assembled.

Instead, we've stagnated, and are back to where we were in early 2002. The notion that some sexy young manager is going to come in and manage the island of misfit toys of a squad we've assembled to goals and exciting football is pure delusion.

Potter turned round Östersund in his very first season and had two successive promotions. He had a decent first season with Swansea. Stabilised Brighton in his very first season. If he'd had any decent strikers in his second season he would have come 5th in the Premier League (look at the Xg table for that season if you don't believe me). Potter wasn't the only one available there were other options but he was the main one with Premier League experience. To pass him and others over for Moyes is completely underwhelming. He may well keep us up but I think it's going to be tight because that's what his record indicates. He's not the person you want to quickly turn a team around. If he does manage to keep us up, what then? He isn't going to be able to build the team up to be regularly challenging for European places within two seasons, where I think Potter would have. It's a poor short term appointment and we've had plenty of them.

‘ It’s hard to find words that can possibly express how most of us feel.’

It’s not most of us Pete, it’s some.

It was the way and manner in which he left us, him and his fat faced mate kept schtum about his Utd appointment, even though it was all but common knowledge, if he'd of been honest with the fans there would not be the bad blood there is.

As for qualifying us for the CL...he didn't! We qualified for the CL qualification group, not the CL itself. I have no time for him tbh, he called the fans a disgrace, attempted to take our best players at a bargain price and accused the club of holding back their career's when we wouldn't sell.
Im not arsed whether he does well or not tbh, hes just another dinosaur in a rapidly changing game, he'll be sharpening his knife for that gunfight as we speak.

Of course some managers are more able than others but its the quality of the players that is the game changer.
Just imagine our team with one of the best midfielders in the Prem. and Salah up front, it wouldn't matter who the manager was.

We keep changing the manager, selling our best players and then buying bang average ones and hope its going to work, I think we have proved it doesn't.

The 4 posters above you are in favour of him coming back and I’m pretty sure they are all blues, Pete.

"With the money he had at his disposition I believe he did a very good job".

Could you explain how an average finish of 8th with an average 7th highest expenditure is doing a very good job?

I'm not asking you to compare him to managers before or since, just to explain why finishing below his level of expenditure is doing a very good job?

Many managers won't take on a troubled project like us at midseason, and we'll never know whether Moyes was TFG's first choice or others were approached. John #32, you state as fact that Potter and others were "passed over" in favor of Moyes but there is no evidence of that.

I don't hold past grudges about Moyes for his behavior when he departed -- I'm just miserable that we've hired a yesterday guy who has mostly failed since he left us. But at least the hire got done, and we're not heading into an important league game in four days' time with the youth coach and the team captain in charge.

I will swallow my disappointment and unhesitatingly get behind the guy, simply because there's no other choice. Getting points on the board is all that matters right now. And the very least we can say is that TFG has hired someone who knows how to do that.

It'd be nice to think that he see's this as a chance to achieve more than he did last time 'round. After rebuilding back to where he'd got us before, of course. However, does he have the mentality to take the next step and actually challenge? I'd love to think it's there & will come to the fore this time - after all, this may well be the biggest job of his remaining career.

He's on board, so let's support him.

...apparently it's never the time for us to do this.

We can't hire someone who might be good, in case they might be bad.

Moyes might be fine. He might not. It's still a deeply uninspiring, unambitious, hire. And not inherently less risky than hiring a less known quantity.

Nigel, (35), I think that Peter is talking about the difficulty of describing a spectrum of opinions/positions in articulate and succinct ways. I hate to put words into Peter's mouth, but I don't think that he is saying that "most" of us can't stand Moyes.

And now the more important stuff. Pete do you have any idea where Marine's new ground will be?

Perhaps Davey will have a real fight on his hands even at his best as it's unlikely that he'll get funds for players who could make a difference. Go for it, Davey, keeping us up after this could be your finest moment. Getting a tune out of this squad would be an incredible but unlikely bonus.

The other day, I Googled "young David Moyes" (a Scottish soccer player turned manager) and he's been hunting my dreams since...

Every manager is on borrowed time as soon as they take up the post. If Moyes meets the expectations of the owners, he will remain in post no matter what the fans think. If he doesn't, he'll be off.

No different from any other manager in that respect.

However…

The seasons 04-/05 to 13-14 (admittedly the last season was under Martinez) was the second highest average league placement in the club's history over a 10-year period, bettered only by the '80s.

We finished in the Top 6 five times and in the Top 8 nine times in a 10-year period. All of this with an average net spend of just over £1million per year.

Barring Howard Kendall, David Moyes built the most consistent team we have ever had in our history – better than Harry Catterick.

After the last few years – I'll quite happily take Moyes failure again for the next 30 months.

And that is the problem I have with the Moyes doubters: it's not about his performance whilst he was here, it's about his ethics when he left.

Well, we are in Shit Street… so fuck his ethics: needs must, I'm afraid.

I respect that The Friedkin Group, having steadied the financial position, needed to pick a safe pair of hands. Let's get on with it!

Fingers crossed that TFG, knowing the critical importance of the "General Manager - Head Coach relationship" (Google what Monchi & Unai Emery achieved together at Sevilla & Villa), is not going to be swayed eventually by Moyes's hunger for power to unwind all the hard work laid down by Thelwell (or his successor as DoF).

Cherie Lunghi??

Moyes Mk I saved us from relegation, coming in 2 months before season end and within two seasons took us to 4th.

And you expect any other manager to do better than that!

And thats pretty much it, remove the 'emotion' about how he left etc...look at the overall performance level during his first spell - we'd kill for that level of 'failure' in the short term.

Though we obviously can't guarantee it will go well this time, the evidence suggests he's a lower risk appointment than some of the other more 'exciting' names mooted.

We're about to find out.

Obviously, you feel the same as I do!

Boohoo! 🤣

Best of luck to our new manager. I wish him every success.

So mention he didnt win anything with us and thats correct but I have only seen 3 managers in the 70 years I have been watching Everton who have won things. Moyes managed on a shoestring having to look down the back of Kenwrights sofa for money to buy players and what gems he bought. Those players he bought were sold for much gold and kept this club afloat financially. There is also the perception he was a defensive coach, just look at the footballers and attackers he brought to the club. Thats why Man Utd signed him not because he was a defensive coach.

As for achievement's well getting into the Champions league which only Catterick achieved and Kendal couldnt because of the Hysel ban. He got us to the final against Chelsea and also a semi final. Also a consistent league position of around 7th. Apart from Martinez for one season who inherited Moyes team, no other manager has got anywhere near getting us to such heights in the league. Look I don't know if he will keep us up, but if we had left Dyche in charge we were going down. Also whatever happens we will be in better shape as a club when he leaves than what was here when he arrived.

2 1/2 years is not a very long time, but it’s a crucial 2 1/2 years for EFC.
So give the man a chance, there’s no need to go overboard with the welcome back to Goodison, just be polite and let him earn back some of the respect from those who have lost it.

I was worried that Dyche was going to get us relegated, at least TFG have acted to try to avoid the catastrophe.

Now it’s all about players on the pitch, the manager can pick them, but they need to step up and get the fans behind them. Moyes will quickly find out whether Dyche was getting the best out of this bunch, or whether he was getting it all wrong and there’s a better team within. We’ll find out too.

At this juncture there was no other choice.

Anybody who rallies against this appointment needs to put forward who they would have offered the job to.

I left the “other post” yesterday thoroughly disappointed with the rants of some bitter posters.

The thing we need more than ever right now is to pull together and get to BMD with our premier league status intact and a summer rebuild on the cards.

If nothing else I expect Moyes will take us up a level and we will no longer have to suffer the deluded rhetoric of a dead man walking.

That is something we need to embrace and cherish.

COYB

There was nothing wrong with our defence under Dyche only 6 teams have conceeded less goals.
We couldn't score though and thats a very big problem, it all comes down to who do you blame.

Its largely the midfields job to create chances and score the odd goal, but what can you say about our forwards, when they got a rare chance they usually fluffed it.

All I can say is good luck to Moyes and ourselves because I think we will need plenty for a change.

And Moyes, who gets a the decent length contract he craves and probably only we would offer.

I suspect a big loser will be Thelwell who looks on borrowed time. The other big loser with be all those who dreamed of much better under new owners, a new stadium and a debt re-structuring.That would include me and this appointment looks like some very expensive sticking plaster.

Mind you Moyes might surprise us.

There are a couple of clubs, including Leicester and Man City, facing possible points sanctions. This may relegate them. We should be ok due to the new owners and there being precedent of fresh starts being given in our circumstances.

Moyes is low-key, has a history of building solid foundations and is of an age where he could be moved upstairs into a technical position in the future (if best qualified).

EFC, outside of our fanbase, have fallen into obscurity. My opinion is no decent attacking talent would have seriously considered working under Dyche, given the tactics employed.

What manager/coach options were seriously available and considered? We’ll never really know. For all we know TFG had sounded out options in the run up to Dyche leaving and were told no, or not until next season, or yes but with outrageous demands…

Moyes is here. He should be able to quietly get on with things. The squad is very poor, but in my opinion, not as bad as the league table suggests.

Watching the Peterborough game, we lacked confidence and fluidity. Confidence comes from winning. I don’t see us going down, so it’s a case of building foundations, putting a plan into action and us getting behind the team.

On a side note Eric#64 I actually went out with Cherie Lunghi a few times in the late 80’s, thanks for sparking the memories!

Are you really serious - what exactly would you want Coleman to do or say ?

Haha

Is Moyes the best manager in the world? Nope. Is he the best option we could reasonably attract at short notice given the current situation with squad, finances and mid-season timing? I think that's a much closer call and could well be yes.

If you add in 'Is he the best manager who can slot straight in and understand the club's constraints and operate within them', then it's emphatic. For my money, he's the best man for the current job (ie, keep us up, restore a stable platform that has us starting to glance upwards rather than anxiously behind... without spending a fortune).

I know it's fashionable in the Musk, Trump,Tory 'alternative facts' world to believe all sorts of demonstrable bullshit, but the reality is that Everton today are not the team that spawned folkloric terrace songs and were captured in grainy photos.

We are still a sizeable club with a devoted fanbase (and a great new stadium), but we have not come close to a real challenging side since the late '80s (which I was lucky enough to be alive and aware to witness) and have been largely abject on the pitch and bankrupt in the boardroom for most of the intervening ~40 years, certainly in the entirety of the modern Premier League post-92 era.

Winning the Premier League is incredibly hard these days, and each season it's usually just two or three with a feasible chance. Instead, the modern Premier League world is all about the top 8 teams who are challenging for European slots and domestic trophies... and the only manager in the last 4 decades to get the club remotely close to these echelons, with any sort of frequency at least, is the man who's now back in the hot seat.

You can of course decry the quality of football that was served up much of the time, and that does matter, but not as much as results. Points get places, get trophies, get cash that you can use to improve your squad. Unless you're at Spurs, there's no prizes for attractive football that loses.

I'd love Everton to play 'School of Science' football, but on balance, I'd much prefer we were winning ugly whilst competing for European football and not worrying about relegation each May. Not saying Moyes guarantees that, but he did it for us before and he also got West Ham into Europe and oversaw their first trophy in the Premier League era.

If we stay up and get a version of The Peoples Club Mk II, with similar results, then the carping may ease off and we should have some reason to be cheerful once again.

If however, he makes no meaningful progress, then he'll be given short shrift by new, less patient, owners and the whingers will get what they want – hopefully someone who'll be able to do better than the last 10-12 chaps who've stood on the Goodison touchline since Moyes left and failed to emulate his results.

Fair point. I think it was the length of contract and the probability of another payoff that looks expensive. But as you might say, he might surprise us.

If that does not happen, let's not lose sight of how TFG have operated at Roma. He will be shown the door early in his tenure.

The compensation would not buy us ery much in today's market and they, I'm sure, would be ruthless.

One of my best mates is a Chelsea season ticket holder of 40+ years, yes, back in the eighties when they were really awful at times and when the Bridge was an absolute shithole.

A very knowledgeable observer of the game, he was unrelenting in his criticism of Potter when mooted for Everton. Indeed, he's very happy to see Potter at the Happy Hammers.

Regardless of whether Potter works out at West Ham, I'd say it was too much of a risk for Everton to hire him, and as it stands, we were late to the party on Potter anyway.

I remember playing at West Ham ot long before the lockdown and talking to a West Ham fan who was just as pleased about them getting Moyes as Evertonians were about getting Ancelotti.

I've always been critical about Moyes because of his record in cup competitions, but at least he has finally delivered silverware, and probably because he started taking the cups more seriously.

Moyes often used to flog dead horses, because it was rare for him to have a big squad. Hopefully he can get a tune out of our current squad because we have been playing like dead horses, for 13 months now, except for those seven beautiful days last April

It may be seen as a safe option in order to retain our Premier League status, but thereafter, TFG would want Everton to kick on, improve and challenge for trophies if they are serious about their project. Whether Moyes is the manager to oversee that, only results will tell.

Moyes is a good, extremely experienced manager who is a significant improvement over Dyche. Moyes has a much better record than any of the apparent alternatives. Potter's success at Brighton appears to mostly be myth. Thomas Frank seems like a good dude but the actual results and football are questionable.

Moyes Mk 1 delivered the best period in recent history... not flawless and frustratingly conservative but still much better than anything we have seen of late. The exit was untidy but not worth the vitriol – he left for a much bigger opportunity and needed to keep it quiet.

He came back for Baines and Fellaini... that seems to be entirely natural to me. It's professional football and he no longer owed us anything... not trying to buy Baines because he used to manage us would be negligent and on par with the entirely pointless exercise of not celebrating scoring against your old club.

For me, it's welcome back, Moyes – I hope you can work some magic

I’ll give the man a chance but don’t have much expectations.

I was thinking about you before Andy, just a few minutes after I drove down Blackstone St, right up to the magnificent looking Bramley Moore.

I was thinking of offering Stefan and his daughter a couple of tickets, and because I’ve already offered one to Martin, I was wondering if you was going to be getting over to Goodison, before she closes her doors for good?

A ticket awaits Andy, but let us know maté because there’s not that many games left💙

I sincerely hope the crowd are chanting Davey Moyes name on 90+ minutes when he hopefully opens his second stint as Everton manager with a victory over Villa.

He is definitely not my choice but 'IF' he keeps us up I will be happy.
(And I know that is a big IF because I'm not confident he will).

But I think we should all give him a second chance and the best reception we can. For the team if nothing else!

"He couldn’t have got a nicer or warmer exit"

Every now and again I've seen some posters try to suggest that Moyes send off was merely a case of polite applause and I often wondered if that was accurate or merely sour grapes on their part.

Thanks for clearing that up for me.

I much prefer the more knowledgeable and defiant Evertonians, I can still remember from my childhood, throwing cushions at the players, if they never performed!

4-5-1 ad nauseum.

While very calm, my emotions towards Everton, are on a rollercoaster and even though I’ve had no real desire to read anything but ToffeeWeb, my thoughts are that without any money, Moyes is inheriting a very difficult job.

A bit of pace on both flanks and we are a different team I think Tony.

I remember at the time Chairman Bill said he knew and that Moyes offered to resign but he refused to accept it.

He honoured his contract (who does that these days? Especially in football) and went to work for a bigger and better company (who WOULDN'T want to do that?).

Mike #80, you should have given her a call and told her to put her CV in, she'd have been a more popular choice!

That's simply not true. The bit about Moyes offering to resign is correct but Blue Bill never stated that he knew Moyes was off to United.

It always strikes me as peculiar that apparently although the "dogs in the street" knew, no-one ever thought to post that information on ToffeeWeb at the time.

Moyes to ManU was nailed on for a couple of years as far as I was concerned back then - in fact I tried to put money on it at least 2 years prior. However, his stalking of Baines and Fellaini was pretty low key and unwelcome I agree.

Lets hope he hits the ground running despite the challenge he has with the squad he inherits, but the individuals and the sum of the parts is definitely better than we have had to endure for the last few months.

Good luck DM, I say - you're going to need it. This is one Blue right behind you.

But he was the last Manager of the School of Science and maintained it's methods, though he allowed the parasitefication of it by Bill, who used It as patronage for his self serving regime.It all contributed to need to sell the Club. Though Bill was determined to stay in there, using someone's else's money has he had always had done.

I have always felt that is was the fundamentals of the School of Science that has kept Everton in the Premiership's through the thick and thin of the money and money run done years. Of course heavily laiden down by self serving paracites.I always was confident that Everton would not get relegated.

Being Professional business Managers the TFG group in their due diligence and analysis would have aimed to identified the positive fundamentals of the Club. I am sure they have come across the fundamentals of the School of Science. I have always hoped they would, because I believe with Professional Management were measurement and accountability is applied that the School of Science would come to the fore front and flourish once more.

But I did not expect this approach by the TFG.To bring back Moyes to develop it and refind it. I can only hope that measurement and accountability are fully applied to the system to halt the parasites that still exist within the Everton Structure.They will be glad that Moyes is appointed, but how will they react to a longer in the tooth Moyes whose remit is to apply measurement and accountability?

"in fact I tried to put money on it at least 2 years prior."

What prevented you?

He was Man Utd's manager. Trying to secure players that he rated and trusted. Baines would have ended up a superstar with them, by the way. He was one of the best I've seen and so underrated outside of Evertonians.

We look back on some of his signings and think he did very well for the money. Well that means there's a set of supporters somewhere who think he ripped them off.

I'll happily take a scenario where it's Everton who secure the players we need at the price we want to pay. So I can't criticise the flip side of that.

“It really isn't necessary to despair of supporters just because they disagree with you.”

Personally, I'm also, a bit taken aback by the anti-Moyes vitriol since the appointment. A very, very devoted blue I know and respect is livid about the appointment and he wanted Dyche out asap.

My view is that I wanted Dyche out and was counting the minutes. I was frustrated that he wasn't gone as soon as the final whistle blew at Bournemouth and felt elated when I saw the news in the bar at the Baltic hotel when I arrived.

Would I choose Moyes? No, I don't believe in going back, as in HK2 and HK3… But Moyes is a step up from Dyche and I feel much better about Everton now than I did last Wednesday.

UTFT

All this reminds me of a Gary Larsson cartoon:

Vampires Everywhere

A guy was screaming at people who were passing by, that "Vampires are here and they are taking over the World". No one was taking any notice of him.

To the side of the cartoon, two guys are carrying a large mirror. Of all the people on the street, the only one who was reflected in it, was the guy warning everyone about the Vampires.

Brilliant cartoon and so prophetic, given the times we live in.

I'm not really a betting person but back then I wandered in to a couple of betting shops and they could not find any odds for that so moved on.

Moyes won universal support throughout football when he stood firm and rejected Man City's attempt to treat us with utter contempt by just "taking" Joleon Lescott.

And nobody would have been too upset if he had come in for the best left-back in the country if he came back with a fair offer. He didn't. He used his inside knowledge of our deep financial turmoil by trying to impress his new Manc fans looking for a bog-off deal for Fellaini and Baines.

The glass ceiling merchant had turned into Billy Big Bollocks as soon as the boot was on the other foot and he believed he had "made it"!

I think this myth about Evertonians feeling betrayed when he decided to join Man Utd needs to be exploded too. As you can see on these pages, many, many were glad to see the back of him and were not arsed. The others gave him a tremendous send off wishing him all the best.

Pretty much my view also, Mark. Not the best — but better.

Some older players on loan like Al Shaawary? Or their full back Celik?

I'd love to get Dovbyk but he is one of their most saleable assets. Their superstars are Pelligrini, Soulé and Dybala.

They will want to hold onto them but maybe a player they thought would be a star but hasn't quite worked out, like Le Feé for example. Of maybe Cristante fancies a shot at the PL? Though he is a starter for them.

Another dead-loss limited manager that Everton seem to be good at hiring.

We've nearly had the full set: Allardyce, Dyche… and now Moyes.

I wasn't insulted. Moyes was trying to acquire players he trusted and get the best deal for his new owners and club. It's like him going to West Ham now and offering a fortune to them for players like Bowen. If he's after Bowen, I imagine he'll try to bring the price down instead of going, “Okay, here's £60M.

The only issue I see is staying within PSR as I imagine most clubs will see Everton coming and think “new owners, new money” and the whole merry-go-round starts again.

Just a quick addition re Moyes’s appointment. Yes, it might not seem overly exciting... but as I posted on a different thread, this is a new era, new owners, new manager, new stadium on the way. We’ve got to give everything a chance.

The previous managerial incumbents have mostly had their hands tied behind their backs, and whilst the football has been mostly dire, it's mostly been done under the Moshiri era.

I hope the majority embrace the new era.

As things stand, we need to get right behind the team, including the manager, to get ourselves out of the perilous situation we are in.

My initial thoughts were we should make our displeasure known but I realise that it would be totally counter-productive given our situation.

To be honest mate. I don't understand how you don't understand.

Moyes, using his inside knowledge of our players contracts and desperate financial situation offered 28m quid for Fellaini AND the best left back in England. Even pushover Everton (your club) described the offer as "Insulting and derisory". Moyes very publicly countered that by accusing your club of blocking their chances of enhancing their careers. I very, very, really use the C word but what a CUNT !!!

He was eventually forced to pay 27.5m (a fair price for Fellaini) which basically meant he was offering 0.5 million for Baines.

Baines (to his eternal credit) stayed loyal to Everton and did not agitate for a move. United were forced to look elswhere for a left back. They eventually had to pay 30m for Luke shaw. A player not fit to lace Baines's boots.

Everyone remotely connected to this club had every right to feel deeply insulted by the way he was prepared to put his foot on our heads when he thought we were drowning.

It would have been unprofessional of Moyes to say "I like those players, but I couldn't do that to Everton" or "I'll make sure they get a few extra quid to help them out".

He tried to screw us because it was his job. None of us will complain if he screws another club and we get a player we want for a good price.

I can accept that managers leave clubs and will try to take the better players with them. But Moyes did not need to insult our club.

He did not need to use his inside knowledge to "low ball" us to a degree which prompted his former pals to describe his bid as "Insulting and derisory".

And he did not need to try to shame us into letting them go on the cheap by telling the football world we were stunting their careers.

This man seems completely bereft of integrity. He once tried to ingratiate himself into the hearts of the football community by stating everyone in football should take a 20% pay cut. That would have cut a little more ice if he hadnt held the club over a barrel regarding his own contract. Or indeed, took a pay cut himself.

His recent declaration of not being interested in taking on a relegation battle sailed right out of the window as soon as TFG waved the readies.

Please don't draw me any further or get me on a roll Ernie. I have got to get my head into a place where I can really support this fella and recalling his past misdemeanours for the sake of debate is seriously hindering the process.

With regards to any further reply, can I refer you to Ernie @ 123. I think his reply is better than anything I could come up with.

Colin, just saw your reply to Ernie and the last paragraph. Made me smile. Hope you get there. It's a tough one, I am not overly impressed with Moyes coming back and trying to put a positive spin on it and mostly failing. As I said to a friend of mine recently when asked who I would like if Dyche was sacked, I rather sarcastically said it might be good to have someone similar to Dyche rather than start on a completely different tangent as that would appeal to Dyche after his recent comment about all businesses should have some succession planning when the media asked about his own position.

Moyes 'rumoured' behaviour in relation to his appointment at Man U doesn't stick to me! It's like expecting Wayne Rooney not to take his chances against us when playing for them...

I may be very angry that he left but I can't hold it against him for doing his best against us once he'd left. And he is a Blue through and through – Moyes is only ever a hired hand!

You never hear successful managers talking their team down Ben, they may talk the opposition up but never their own team down.

FFS, he's here, whether you like it or not, so let's get behind him, eh? He wasn't my choice either but, if he does well, then my club, Everton, have done well.

So fuck off with your miserable diatribes and support the club. Am I the only one fed up with the negative shite on here? Christ on a bike….!

No, you're not the only one, Ray.

Sorry Brent, I was just getting a bit naffed off with the repetitive and constant moaning. One should remember to keep ones temper. 🤦🏼‍♂️

I'm totally in agreement with you. FFS, it's not as if TFG will be looking at TW and thinking, “Fuck me look at all the whinging on there, we better change the new manager prompto”.

What's done is done, there's no turning back, so whether you like it or not, you better get used to it! He wasn't my first choice either, but there's no point in crying over spilt milk!