Fan Article AniMoyesity It’s happened. He’s here. We’re in the shit and there’s hard work for him ahead. Let’s just get on with it. John Daley 16/01/2025 18comments | Jump to last I was never really a huge fan of David Moyes, apart from the young fiery version who first walked into a comatose Everton and looked ready to kick everybody up the arse. The club didn’t have a pot to piss in, were struggling to score goals and sat 15th in the table, having won 1 Premier League game out of the previous 13 when he took over from Walter Smith, all red hair, rage-filled face and Ren & Stimpy stare. So, there are certainly parallels to the current situation there, but the hunger that made the bloke a rather intense figure back then has (understandably) well and truly faded away thanks to the mileage, failures and many frustrations. It wasn’t that I ever considered Moyes a poor manager throughout his first spell – far from it – but rather that I could never buy into the perpetual media myth that he was performing ‘miracles’ season after season and we should simply count our blessings, curtail any fanciful ambitions, and come to consider finishing ‘best of the rest’ on a few occasions as the sole crowning point now possible for a football club where a large number of fans still remembered what it was like to actually reach the fucking peak. I thought he had run his race long before he got his ultimate wish of welding his lips to Fergie's ring, shook my head through his ‘emotional’ send-off, laughed as he appeared to get delusions of grandeur and dug his own grave in Manchester, and then put him from my mind completely (other than as a figure of mirth to be mocked now and again for any mishaps, of course) as he moved on to live out the rest of his career as a footballing nomad… or so I thought. Moyes rather redeemed his reputation quite a bit with West Ham, despite the familiar claims from supporters of dithering and defensive football, and I found that I was actually mildly pleased to see him pick up a European trophy, minor pot or not. At one point in time, I would probably have fumed at his return, but the possibility has been mooted often enough over the years to allow me to definitively get any and all such antediluvian gripes off my chest. After all, according to his mates in the media, he’s been ‘set to be appointed’ ever since Sam Allardyce was sent packing to sniff his own pants and pontificate about how he would shit all over Pep if the press would just let people forget he absolutely loves a Wall's sausage roll. Article continues below video content Every single time the Everton job came up in the last 8 years, Moyes was instantly chucked in alongside the favourite contenders, with ‘insiders’ supposedly claiming he was deep in talks, being considered, about to be confirmed, already holed up in the building like Hans Gruber and stalking the halls with a sharpened spork… on the verge of blowing a blood vessel after some “silly wee bastard” from one of the ‘big clubs’ sent the lift down with a dead body inside and a note velcroed to its chest saying ‘Now we have a machine gun. Ho Ho Ho’. It’s like mere length of tenure meant the lazy twats would never let it lie. While Bill Kenwright was still around, it was kind of understandable. It was an obvious shout that provided them with an easy headline which, regardless of proof, always carried with it the possibility of perhaps coming true, due to the sentimental way the old tit prattled on about their long-term partnership and the fact he was loathe to end it in the first place. Now it’s actually materialised, these many years later, I’m mostly apathetic to it all. It’s happened. He’s here. We’re in the shit and there’s hard work for him ahead. Let’s just get on with it. There are seemingly many others out there though who are far from apathetic and whose strength of feeling hasn’t diminished one iota in the decade-plus change since the man who made ‘the People’s Club’ declaration departed Goodison with a misjudged guard of honour and a post-it note marked ‘must pop back for Marouane’. The past 6 days have seen people online calling him a ‘shithouse’ and a ‘snake’, stating that they can’t stand the man, that they ‘genuinely hate him’, that seeing him as Everton manager again made them ‘physically sick’, and some even swearing not to set foot in the ground until he’s gone forever… preferably after being stripped naked and dragged through the streets in chains while a squad of heckling old crones pelt scalding hot gravel off his horribly pallid Scottish skin. A mate of mine sent me a text last Saturday saying simply “lowest point as an Evertonian” and I’m still struggling to get my head around how that could possibly be so… Seriously? With the shite we’ve had to bear witness to? Where the hell have you been for the last 7 years? Rutger Hauer is going fucking radge right now wanting a refund on your eyes. (“Bladerunner!! That’s what they used to call Moyes when he turned up to one of the ‘big clubs’ grounds with his butter knife and shield made of toast, before turning tail and somehow managing to get out of there alive.”) We’ve suffered through some of the worst managerial hires possible – where it seemed almost as if the club were actively attempting to antagonise and rile the fans into a rabid frenzy – in Allardyce and Benitez. The appointment of Moyes may be viewed as uninspired, risibly retrograde, chastening even… but it’s by no means the unfathomable insult bordering on outright batshit insanity that the selection of some previous incumbents has been. Yes, we all know about the imposition of a ‘glass ceiling’, the away record at certain grounds, the lack of pressure from above, the freezing and falling short at the final hurdle, the popping round to Fergie’s pad in a faded pair of jeans, the derisory £12M bid for peak Baines before he’d even officially taken over at Man Utd, and the (alleged) branding of Blues in a bar as a ‘fucking disgrace’. However, there really is nothing to be gained from the constant rumination and retreading of old ground. The same stale fossilised arguments that were swirling around 12 fucking years ago being proffered and pushed forward like the point might finally sink in now that the saga has been knocking on for more seasons than Solomon Northup was a slave. The way I’ve decided to look at is, if given a straight choice between Dyche and Moyes, then I definitely would have gone the same way as the new owners. No matter how stale things got when he was first here, or how much he was mocked immediately after departing, he had (and I believe still has) far more in his managerial locker than Sean Dyche. The former Burnley boss talked a big game and tried to project defiance but the constant deflection – combined with the playing up of prior difficulties and problems not of his doing – meant his words failed to carry much credence. He never came across like a man determined to get to grips with the biggest footballing gig he’s ever going to have come his way, but rather a man wondering how long until he’s fired from the day he was hired. One thing that can be said in The Friedkin Group’s favour is that they’ve acted swiftly and decisively. They could have gone the opposite way and attempted to hold out and persevere, like Burnley, who left it far too late to sack Sean Dyche, leaving someone to step in with too few games remaining to turn things around and save them. The caretaker at Turf Moor picked up 3 wins and 2 draws in 8 games, along with the Manager of the Month award for April, but it was too little, too late. At the point Dyche was dismissed, Burnley had won only 4 games from 30 and lost 5 of their last 6, including a defeat to bottom side Norwich in his final match/flop. Form which should sound ominously familiar to Everton fans. Obviously, we’ll never know if a creaking-under-pressure Dyche could have pulled a confounding reversal of fortune from his hoop, but it was hardly looking likely… a fact the man himself seemingly held his hands up to in an exit statement issued through the LMA when declaring it was “the right time” for him and Everton to part ways. TFG would have had a thorough rundown of the first Moyes era, encompassing the highs and lows, along with his managerial record since, but there’s no way they could be expected to be privy to all the finer nuances of a near 23-year back story. KITAP1, ‘knives to a gunfight’, ‘punching above our weight’, floaty Phil Neville fanny passes, sitting back after taking an early lead in an FA Cup Final… none of that means anything to, or would have entered into it for them. At least this second coming will finally offer a sense of closure for those still cogitating over the same old crap they have been since the Costa Concordia shipwreck. Moyes will either improve us and see out his contract, before leaving what will likely be his last job in football, with thanks of the non-begrudging kind, minus the nagging feeling the club was merely a stepping stone on the path to his ultimate managerial purpose. Or, Moyes will fail to meet the demands of his new employers and be sent on his (rather less than) merry way, thereby allowing a multitude of Evertonians with elephantine memories to declare they were right about the ‘dour mingebag’ all along. My fingers are firmly crossed for the former. Reader Comments (18) Note: the following content is not moderated or vetted by the site owners at the time of submission. Comments are the responsibility of the poster. Disclaimer () Mike Allison 1 Posted 16/01/2025 at 12:28:59 I just dont see Moyes bringing the mindset shift that this squad needs.We need someone with charisma and positivity to get the players believing in themselves. Hopefully Moyes will find someone, because that aint him. Raymond Fox 2 Posted 16/01/2025 at 12:35:26 So whats the point of this thread… so you want him sacked!Pathetic. Dennis Stevens 3 Posted 16/01/2025 at 12:42:25 I'm somewhat aggrieved at his return, but can see the logic from TFG's perspective – their choices may have quickly come down to Moyesand … er, nobody? As you say, John, "em>It's happened. He's here. We're in the shit and there's hard work for him ahead." Like you, I now hope he will find a way to improve us sufficiently to guarantee our survival this season and then lay the foundations for his successor over the next season or two, before he departs with, perhaps, a tad more goodwill than last time. Dave Abrahams 4 Posted 16/01/2025 at 12:56:35 TFG will either find they made the right choice or regret they ever heard of Moyes. I didn't want him back but will get no satisfaction whatsoever if he fails and we go down — how could I when the club I followed for a long time have hit such hard times and climbing back up will be a hard grind… a very hard grind indeed. Ian Edwards 5 Posted 16/01/2025 at 13:08:39 I didn't want Moyes and he got off on the wrong foot with me. He had almost a week to watch videos of previous games. To choose the same team and formation that got Dyche sacked was just negligent. Brian Denton 6 Posted 16/01/2025 at 13:15:53 Talking of TFG, I have just received a Shareholder communication asking me to vote in favour of a proposal to insert an additional article into Everton's Articles of Association.Usually nowadays communications in legalese also contain a summary in non-legal language, to give you some idea of what you're agreeing to. But all we have is:"This amendment is intended to support the Club's new financial structure following its acquisition by the Friedkin Group."Can anybody summarise in a line or two what the new Article 7 is doing, and why it is doing it? Ian Edwards 7 Posted 16/01/2025 at 13:19:33 BrianI did hear that after buying Moshiri's shares they would probably trigger some right entitling them to buy everyone's shares so they own 100%of the club. I think it was Sven Borson..... I'd take advice if I were you. Oliver Molloy 8 Posted 16/01/2025 at 13:23:13 Any money available has to go on a striker and then we all pray to the gods that it works - goals, goals goals or we are beaten docket ! Brian Denton 9 Posted 16/01/2025 at 13:39:05 Ian (7) thanks for that. I suspect you may be on the right track, which explains why nothing of the sort was given as a covering note. As for taking advice, I don't think there is anything a small shareholder can do, one way or the other. The buggers still have the cheek to expect me to pay for the stamp, mind you! Colin Crooks 10 Posted 16/01/2025 at 13:39:43 "I didnt want Moyes and he got off on the wrong foot with me"He'll be distraught Ian John Keating 11 Posted 16/01/2025 at 13:51:37 Moyes has replaced Dyche?Are you sure? Is this right?Looking at the team, formation, tactics, result and excuses last night I could have sworn Dyche was still here John Ballinger 12 Posted 16/01/2025 at 13:56:31 Not specifically related to the Moyes appointment (which by the way I kind of approve of in a lukewarm kind of way), I have a feeling the lack of any spark is down to players' contract situations. Seems like 11 of them are out of contract or at end of loan, most of which we would be glad to be rid of. So that means whatever happens we are going to be faced with a massive rebuilding programme. Is that going to be possible in Premier League given PSR constraints. The players probably realize this and is why to some extent they are just going through the motions Rick Tarleton 13 Posted 16/01/2025 at 13:59:48 A reasoned and sensible article which basically says we have to make the best of a sow's ear. Never would I have had David Moyes on my long list of potential managers. However, he is here now and we need him to do well.Am I confident he will do so? Not really. He is very much cut from the same cloth as Dyche. He sets out to defend the point we have at the beginning of the game rather than going for the win. This is fine against Arsenal, but ridiculous against Leicester. Dyche couldn't distinguish between the two and I fear Moyes is equally conservative in his approach.He hasn't a strong hand, I'm fairly sure Doucoure is the worst regular starter in the Premiership, Young and Mykolenko are poor and all our strikers panic whenever they get one of their rare sights of goal.I hope Moyes's much vaunted experience will enable him to turn around our form, but as a gambling man, I fear the odds are very much against him. Thank God, Leicester, Wolves and Southampton seem to be equally inept. In their incompetence lies our hope. Andy McGuffog 14 Posted 16/01/2025 at 14:01:00 Moyes is back. And as we all predicted, he picked from the same squad as Dyche did: where was Mbappe? Where was Harland? Cole Palmer didn't even make the bench! Moyes out. Daniel A Johnson 15 Posted 16/01/2025 at 14:15:47 Anyone who was on the fence about Moyes. Well just watch his post match presser.His dour negativity oozed from every pore and his downtroden reaction to the enormity of the task at hand was astounding. How can any squad be motivated after hearing that.We are going down with him in charge plain and simple. Andy Crooks 16 Posted 16/01/2025 at 14:25:07 Nice article, John, though I doubt it was your intention to provide another venting opportunity.Yeah, I'm over my rage. Frankly, it is much easier to take than the blood vessel bursting sale of Shane Duffy.He's here so fingers crossed. Conor McCourt 17 Posted 16/01/2025 at 15:44:46 John I take a totally different view to you especially regarding the TFG. I think their approach to ballsing about with Dyche then hiring Moyes is total amateur hour. I don't hate Moyes, don't have any grudges and my view of the job he done here was excellent on the whole. However despite my reservations like yourself I had just about come to terms with his second coming but I don't feel this is the same man we had all those years ago.Many, yourself included, have praised the speed at which the appointment was made and view it positively. I disagree and feel these owners were so desperate to hire him it was reminiscent of Moshiri salivating over Ancelottii. Last night I was livid after that game and I couldn't believe his post match conference. He was so busy loveying up to the reporters, reminiscent of my 7 year old nephew at his nativity looking around at everyone to see if we were all watching him. This is a man to me that has lost his hunger and I wonder how diligent these clowns actually were in the interview process as it looks like in desperation they have neither probed nor deduced while proliferating his excessive demands. No one else would have employed him yet to steal one posters phrase the stage is being set that we are being saved by the Moyesiah.Moreover it took Dyche the guts of 2 years before he started belittling the players and crying about not having an open chequebook and he only did so after finally succumbing to the reality that he had no more answers. Moyes straight in with Carlo's magician line after picking his predecessors team and frustrating game management. followed by how willing but bang average the players are and demands of opening the coffers.. If his signings at West Ham are anything to go by I hope Thelwell or Weir tell him to get back in his box.The reason why managers have a bounce is because players get reinvigorated, re-energised, new ideas and get a clean slate to impress. Moyes apart from a few little tweaks was same old same old and was like an older singer just back on his 50 year anniversary tour. That steeliness that drive was nowhere to be seen.This club needs leadership and direction not poor me complaints from a man who regularly gets schooled by Emery even when hundreds of millions had been plunged.The stage was set to make a second first impression and boy did he make one. The only positives were that there was at least an attempt to play some joint up football, Mykolenko was superb, Calvert Lewin actually got chances and Moyes reckons we can send Broja back and maybe open the door to a possible Ferguson signing.. Small crumbs of comfort for our exciting new dawn. Ian Edwards 18 Posted 16/01/2025 at 15:52:50 Colin 10. ToffeeWeb is a forum for fans to opinionate about the Club. That's what zi did. Your sarcasm says more about your personality than my post. By personality I mean you don't have one. Add Your Comments In order to post a comment, you need to be logged in as a registered user of the site. » Log in now Or Sign up as a ToffeeWeb Member — it's free, takes just a few minutes and will allow you to post your comments on articles and Talking Points submissions across the site. How to get rid of these ads and support TW © ToffeeWeb