AniMoyesity

We need someone with charisma and positivity to get the players believing in themselves. Hopefully Moyes will find someone, because that ain’t him.

Pathetic.

As you say, John, "em>It's happened. He's here. We're in the shit and there's hard work for him ahead."

Like you, I now hope he will find a way to improve us sufficiently to guarantee our survival this season and then lay the foundations for his successor over the next season or two, before he departs with, perhaps, a tad more goodwill than last time.

I didn't want him back but will get no satisfaction whatsoever if he fails and we go down — how could I when the club I followed for a long time have hit such hard times and climbing back up will be a hard grind… a very hard grind indeed.

He had almost a week to watch videos of previous games. To choose the same team and formation that got Dyche sacked was just negligent.

Usually nowadays communications in legalese also contain a summary in non-legal language, to give you some idea of what you're agreeing to. But all we have is:

"This amendment is intended to support the Club's new financial structure following its acquisition by the Friedkin Group."

Can anybody summarise in a line or two what the new Article 7 is doing, and why it is doing it?

I did hear that after buying Moshiri's shares they would probably trigger some right entitling them to buy everyone's shares so they own 100%of the club.

I think it was Sven Borson..... I'd take advice if I were you.

The buggers still have the cheek to expect me to pay for the stamp, mind you!

He'll be distraught Ian

Looking at the team, formation, tactics, result and excuses last night I could have sworn Dyche was still here

His dour negativity oozed from every pore and his downtroden reaction to the enormity of the task at hand was astounding.

How can any squad be motivated after hearing that.

We are going down with him in charge plain and simple.

Yeah, I'm over my rage. Frankly, it is much easier to take than the blood vessel-bursting sale of Shane Duffy.

He's here so fingers crossed.

I don't hate Moyes, don't have any grudges, and my view of the job he did here was excellent on the whole. However, despite my reservations, like yourself, I had just about come to terms with his second coming but I don't feel this is the same man we had all those years ago.

Many, yourself included, have praised the speed at which the appointment was made and view it positively. I disagree and feel these owners were so desperate to hire him, it was reminiscent of Moshiri salivating over Ancelotti.

Last night, I was livid after that game and I couldn't believe his post-match comments. He was so busy loveying up to the reporters, reminiscent of my 7-year-old nephew at his nativity looking around at everyone to see if we were all watching him.

This is a man to me that has lost his hunger and I wonder how diligent these clowns actually were in the interview process as it looks like in desperation they have neither probed nor deduced while proliferating his excessive demands.

No one else would have employed him yet – to steal one poster's phrase – the stage is being set that we are being saved by the Moyesiah.

Moreover, it took Dyche the guts of 2 years before he started belittling the players and crying about not having an open chequebook and he only did so after finally succumbing to the reality that he had no more answers.

Moyes was straight in with Carlo's 'magician' line after picking his predecessor's team and frustrating game management, followed by how willing but bang average the players are and demands for opening the coffers.

If his signings at West Ham are anything to go by, I hope Thelwell or Weir tell him to get back in his box.

The reason why managers have a bounce is because players get reinvigorated, re-energised, new ideas, and get a clean slate to impress. Moyes, apart from a few little tweaks, was same old same old and was like an older singer just back on his 50-year anniversary tour. That steeliness, that drive was nowhere to be seen.

This club needs leadership and direction – not "poor me" complaints from a man who regularly gets schooled by Emery even when hundreds of millions had been plunged.

The stage was set to make a second first impression – and boy did he make one. The only positives were that there was at least an attempt to play some joined-up football.

Mykolenko was superb, Calvert-Lewin actually got chances, and Moyes reckons we can send Broja back and maybe open the door to a possible Ferguson signing. Small crumbs of comfort for our exciting new dawn.

Your sarcasm says more about your personality than my post. By 'personality', I mean you don't have one.

Have you contacted the SHA for their take on it, and possibly their advice?

From a managerial perspective we probably won't see much change - they're both pretty conservative taskmasters... though I did notice a couple of players in snoods in that first training video.

Tactically we'll see a bit of a change. Dyche came up with the solution of all out defence well before he'd assessed the problem. Defence is his hammer and everything is a nail. I believe Moyes to be more of a pragmatist - he'll look at what he has and see how he can work with it.

The big difference for me is their relative standing and influence in relation to representing the club.

Dyche, despite his self-promotion from the moment he took the role, is a relative nobody. Overpaid and underqualified for the role. He was hired to be a lackey. I will always believe that his first action was to support the owner through a delayed announcement of his appointment so they could sell Gordon and not invest anything in the team prior to the window closing. At that time, it was a very risky decision, but he went along with it for his 30 pieces of silver.

I don't think that's what Moyes would do. I've seen some comments about his support for Kenwright, but I also believe he was managing upwards in terms of the funds that should be made available in the event we sold a player. I also believe that he will have agreed what can be done in the market as a condition of his employment. Basically I've got more confidence that he'll represent the team's needs and influence the owners positively.

But I guarantee he will do everything he can to make sure we stay up.

I tend to agree with Connor #17, The Friedkin Group did cop out a bit letting the Everton regime get their man.

I do think that Moyes may be gone by the Summer he does not give the air of being confident and he looks like his ego has taken a beating.

Unlike his Man Utd days, he has not brought in a replacement backroom staff. So he is keeping the status quo.

He needs to bring in two pro players before the end of January.

I don't care what anyone says, but Harrison and Doucoure should never even be on the team sheet – let alone the bench.

Many can't see that division only maintains failure. He's here, he has had a solid if unspectacular Premier League career, all we need to think about now is getting behind them, get over the line, and build in the summer. 3 new faces in this window would re-energise us.

But he's back now and there's nothing I can do about it. But, if the new owners don't back some very shrewd business in the transfer market in the next 2 weeks, my guess is that a large portion of the fanbase will turn on them and Moyes by May.

Unfortunately, I think the best we'll get is a desperate loan replacement for Broja and maybe the winger we're touted with and his zero goals and assists this season.

Coleman and Baines had worked that out the game before, with them presumably looking at the issues we have at right-back, left-back and right-wing etc.

The squad is clearly unbalanced. One poor left-back, three right-backs that aren't up to it. A squad that contains three left wingers and no genuine right winger. The obsession with playing a left-footed player on the right, but without the credible decoy of a player that will overlap, leaves us impotent and predictable to stop.

Doucoure is incapable of getting around the pitch, and is unable to make runs past the striker as previously. When he does, his lack of pace gets caught offside.

So how's it left attacking-wise? Little creativity from full-back, a lack of bodies getting in the box or past the striker. Wide players that run into cul-de-sacs. Central midfielders that can't create or shoot, and a centre-forward that can't hold the ball up, finish chances, or has enough pace to get away.

To turn this around, you're going to need some players – and quickly. Certainly a wide right, and probably a left-back and striker. That's a tall ask.

The alternative is he goes 3-5-2. Calvert-Lewin needs somebody else with him. Patterson can provide some balance on the right, and probably Mykolenko or Harrison told to run and up down the left.

The centre-midfield picks itself until Garner and Iroegbunam are fit. Armstrong is inexperienced, but I see more in him than Doucoure. Which leaves Ndiaye, Beto and Calvert-Lewin battling it out for the 2 striker births.

We are in a relegation fight with 5 other clubs. Moyes needs to piece together 18 points from the remaining 18 games to stay out of trouble – 5 wins and 3 draws.

Best of luck, David, you're going to need it.

Regarding Moyes, after a week, I can't make up my own mind between satisfied and outraged at his return, so have resigned to being a nonplussed bystander (which I'm sure David will be deeply concerned about).

He seems to be doing okay so far. Frustrating, isn't it?

So, things have gone from voicing a 'humble' opinion to 'knowing everything about all situations' and voicing bile and hate at those who disagree (with my subjective opinion).

Despite our motto, we have zero right to win anything – it's what we expect and demand, but so do most other fans and teams. That's the nature of sport.

We most certainly don't have the right to start shitstorms and aim personal abuse at anyone – regardless of their income or status...

If that's where this site is heading, then I'm off; if that's the experience in the stadium, I'm not interested; if that's the accepted and tolerated level of communication online or even offline, then I have better things to do with my time.

Some people are just unhappy with their lives, full stop. Time for them to get help and let the rest of us continue to show respect.

I have 3 red brothers whom I love – and love to annoy and take the mick re football and slag them off etc... it's fun – it's sport and a bit of a laugh. Hate-filled fanatics can pee off for all I care.

I will continue to support and criticise my team and tactics and club — but I will not stoop to disgusting language because I think that my ill-informed opinion is fact and truth and because the missus snored last night and the car didn't start. Get a life. COYB

I expected Moyes to field at least a different formation; however, he appeared on the surface to persist with the same. Whether that's due to time available to make a bigger difference or he perceives it to be the best for what we have, I don't know.

We'll know more at Sunday's game against Spurs. What we also know is there'll be no new players for Sunday's game, so it's the same pool of players to choose from.

What we did see is a slightly different approach to play with more forward momentum and a higher line being held. Will this translate to more of a change on Sunday? Who knows…

The team lacks pace and players who know how to make themselves available on the pitch. By all means, push the ball out wide for the wide players, but the lack of pace means the ball comes backwards as the opposition are immediately on us.

Villa gave no time on the ball, which panicked a number of our players. It also placed Pickford in some squirmy moments as the pass backwards attempting to make space was received with the same pressing and lack of space.

We'll see improvements if the team can build confidence; however, it'll mean holding our nerve and the arrival of a striker who can actually score, along with a wide player who can provide more opportunities.

If proper reinforcements aren't brought in this window, then I don't see us surviving, at least unless other teams capitulate further.

Firstly the personal vitriol aimed at Dyche and then the same aimed at Moyes – not by everyone of course but, when these posts appear, it makes for vile and uneasy reading.

It's made me question whether this site is for me. I only started posting to offer balance to the ongoing pile-on regarding Sean Dyche.

It's one thing to criticise a manager for tactics, it's another to launch personal attacks against them like it's some kind of vendetta. Like you, I just don't need to read those things, I have better things to do. I agree that that sort of anger suggests the poster is using the forum to vent due to issues in their life away from here.

I think ToffeeWeb should be moderated to prevent this sort of thing getting out of hand, but I won't hold my breath as I've suggested it before and nothing changes. If I do stop reading and posting, I won't be the first to have walked away due to the proliferation of ugly and vindictive posts.

We had a golden opportunity to appoint the right person and build for the future. That's my feeling.

With both Leicester and Southampton losing last night (and Southampton for parts of the game looked very good going forward), it's becoming obvious that we need to beat those around us to ensure safety.

It's pointless the players raising their game for the likes of the derby and then conceding a last-minute losing goal to a corner off a Leicester centre-back's arse.

It might have cost us Millions that we can not afford to spend plus paying Dyche and his backroom staff has cost us a few million. I'd sooner have that cash available to spend on the squad.

No manager was coming til the summer to then get punted when maybe the man who TFG wanted was available. How do we know we haven't enquired about other managers but we're knocked back?

I'll make my peace with the Moyes appointment because he's here now and, if he can get us around the top 10 by the time he leaves, I'll be okay with that.

TFGs plan was to let Dyche see out his contract with us being comfortably low mid-table, and then appoint the ‘right person' in the summer. Unfortunately, events overtook matters and they found themselves in the midst of a relegation battle with a manager who had to all intents and purposes given up.

At that point, what would you have done? Who was the ‘right person' for the circumstances we find ourselves in? In an ideal world, that wouldn't have been Moyes but he was available without having to pay compensation and he was willing to take the job.

The problem with that idea is who decides which posts are over the accepted line and which are okay? I think it better for the offended people to respond directly to any posts that they personally think don't meet their own or others' reasonably acceptable standards.

I'm not saying that some posts on various subjects are unworthy of criticism, but isn't the constant bleating about perceived bad taste and negative posts only giving the offensive poster more power to their elbow, and encouraging them to continually push the envelope?

The majority of posters and their posts on this site are articulate and raise points that many may not have thought about. Not everybody can resist the need to vent, on such an emotional subject as Everton, and the vast majority can see those type of posts for what they are.

If a poster is deemed a regular offender by some, just do what many do, scroll on past and ignore it; if the posts are so offensive as to cause a reader nausea or worse, contact the editors of the site, stating your reasons, and I'm sure they will remove those type of posts.

What we don't want is every member of ToffeeWeb posting messages that only convey a universally accepted narrative, it's the level of debate, and at times argumentative and confrontational nature of some posts on here that makes the site worth visiting.

It would be a great shame if members retreated from reading and posting their views because they believe that this site is racing to the bottom. Surely it would be better for the site and the rest of us, if those members aired their views on here more regularly rather than disappear into the ether.

But explain to me how some of the comments I've read on here attacking the integrity of different individuals actually have anything to do with football? The simple answer is that they don't.

If you want an example,e go and look at some of the posts regarding Dyche's departing statement. They're not posts about football, they're attacks on him as an individual.

Straight off there's your first simple example of where a moderator could draw the line. Are we here to discuss football or here to have a go at people?

Issue a set of guidelines, get every user to sign up when they log on, use a moderator. If the guidelines are breached, the post is deleted and the user is warned. Not difficult and something many other internet sites do.

I post on a music site where, believe it or not, things can get spicy amongst the users; the site follows the policy outlined above. Everyone knows the score and most discussions take place within the guidelines, everyone is happy.

I repeat, not difficult to implement and it doesn't have to be heavy-handed. By the way, posts are already 'moderated' on here, without anyone's permission, I might add.

ToffeeWeb is moderated by its editors, Michael and Lyndon, they set the general tone in doing so. Posters have an option to flag an abusive comment ìf they feel it's too much, bring it to the attention of them both.

Unfortunately, ToffeeWeb gets a bad wrap because of the ones that slip through the net but, if it gets particularly nasty you see whole sections of debate just binned and that's fair enough by most people's view.

But I disagree with you that personal attacks should go unchecked, it seems the norm today is that it's okay to say what you like and how you like without censoring the content.

Foul and abusive comment, personalised attacks using such comment may tell you a lot about the poster but also about the platform standards.

You open yourself to libel when you comment and, whilst frustration is a part of daily life, you cannot say what you like without impunity. Say half the things written on here to their face and you're likely to get your nose broken or worse. Both individual posters and moderators have a duty to protect their site from legal consequences.

Just because Trump, Musk and now Zuckerberg think it's okay to have a social network where lies, abuse, hate and vindictiveness run rampant, are encouraged under a guise of "free speech", it doesn't mean we should just adopt their standards. It's not a reflection of people's standards, it's allowing the lunatics to run the asylum.

If that's the level of the bar then people will vote with their feet, heads and pockets, and the world would be a nicer, better place!

I left a forum that I had been active in for 15 years because of biased moderators.

I don't think I made my point clearly enough relating to posts which are viewed as personal attacks. My argument would be, is calling the backroom staff, 'three hard-boiled-eggs' a personal attack or a comical way to describe those particular staff members? Some will believe '3 hard-boiled eggs' as funny; others would see it as a form of abuse, it's all very subjective.

Obviously some of the stuff that relates to Dominic Calvert-Lewin and his choice of fashion could be assessed as a personal attack on the person rather than his abilities as a footballer.

Dour or Dithering Davey Moyes, shorthand to describe the current manager's personality or a personal attack?

I personally don't believe this site is similar to X or Facebook or other major outlets for social media, there are always exceptions but on the whole, most posts and posters are reasonable and adhere to most of the real life acceptable social norms, of course there will be exceptions, and usually the TW Tribe, react to those outliers very quickly.

I think the Editors prefer the members to regulate themselves either in response to a bad-taste post or before they themselves submit what might be considered a bad-taste post.

Jimmy @38,

My original post wasn't a direct response to yourself, rather a response to a growing number of people who espouse that the lunatics have somehow taken over the asylum, usually taking a broad brush to paint ToffeeWeb as a site where abusive, sickening posts are allowed and some of them might even say welcomed.

It's a very time-consuming thing to regulate posts prior to being published and, even if the regulation is done following publication, I would think it nigh on impossible for two editors to catch everything which might be upsetting to some readers.

The most usual editing done on this site, particularly by Michael is to remove posts from a thread which he might believe are irrelevant to that particular thread and are placed in another more appropriate thread. Sometimes he scores out multiple posts for being unworthy of the thread or have been responses to things that aren't Everton-related.

Most of us enjoy this site, even with its foibles, and long may everybody continue to read and contribute to it, there's always room for improvement, but to have an unblemished site would take a lot of time and money.

If we as members were prepared to pay for the privilege of using the site, a greater number of people might be more satisfied with what is published on here. I don't think that appetite to pay a subscription in order to help monitor and administer the site is apparent, therefore it's up to us a group to respond as we deem fit to posters and posts.

I understand what you're saying about the 'three boiled eggs' and 'Dithering Dave'. There is a line to be drawn somewhere that might be considered subjective. I'm not suggesting those sorts of posts are moderated. They're generally written in an irreverent spirit for comic effect and I wouldn't want to suppress any of that.

I gave you an example of the sort of posts I would moderate. I'd say we're talking less than 2% of total posts here. But I'll say again, I've been surprised and a little bit sickened by some of the things said about our last manager and our current one, those posts are clearly over the line and really have no place.

The most effective thing to do is to delete them altogether. The poster will soon learn not to bother and we can all have the sorts of conversations we'd have away from the internet.

The other site I contribute to is free and it's moderated all the time. It also has a personal message function which allows users to discuss stuff away from the main threads to keep things on track. I think that would also help here and encourage a bit more of a community feel.

I'm not advocating martial law in the name of woke, but I am suggesting with a bit of site development, ToffeeWeb would be a better experience for everyone.

The debate really is who would be the person to save our season and what is their availability.

Moyes was the only choice in town. He knew the club, had a respectable Premier League record, and could hit the ground running.

Less than a week to prepare for Villa and Spurs is nowhere near enough for any new manage, especially given the injury situation.

Having said that, we should have had a penalty with two counts in the same incident and Onana should have gone on a second yellow. If we had got a point or three from that game, it would have been a totally different feeling.

He did guarantee last night that Ipswich would beat Brighton and will also beat Man City! So now I know who to pick for my Last Man Standing team this weekend! 😂😂😂

Well PH, I'd like to see the stats!