Does a 15-game loan at Derby really make young Armstrong ready to supplant Gana, Garner and Iroegbunam? If not, wouldn't a full season loan serve him, and us, better than having him sit on our bench behind those three and whoever we buy (Luiz, Ndidi)?

Personally, I would have expected only Harry Tyrer at 23 (whom you don't mention) to be ready to step up to the first team, but with the reported signing of Travers it would seem likely that Tyrer is on deck for another season-long loan.

Rest are division one standard

I also still have hopes for Dixon, but I had lingering hopes for Jonjoe Kenny into his 20s.

From the limited footage of the Scotland training camp, I didn't think Braiden Graham looked out of place, but it's training session, so hard to judge. He looked lively at the last test event, but probably a bit too soon for him.

Not so sure of the rest just yet.

Always wish him the best. All-heart player.

He may not have made it at Everton, but representing Schalke (loan) and Hertha in the Bundesliga as well as Celtic (loan). And now PAOK.

I'm pleased he's made a career out of football and wasn't afraid to go to the continent to do so.

I had many a disagreement with a few on here about Jonjoe Kenny.

I mainly pointed to him and Pennington etc as being kept at the club for far too long.

I’m glad to see that we have become a bit more ruthless in dealing around academy products.

LFC have been lightyears ahead of everyone for years in developing talent and selling it on to other clubs. Not all talent has to be developed for the first team of Everton and I could tell quite early on with Kenny that he would never be capable of being a successful premier league and international standard right back, which is what we need for our first team.

He seems like a decent guy, a good professional and a decent enough player so I am always surprised when people take my evaluation of him as a player for Everton so personally. He was never going to be good enough for us and his career has been on a downward curve since leaving. Suffering relegation and now signed up to play for PAOK. He’ll be a millionaire and he’s made for life and well done to him for that. He deserves that.

Another article which massively overestimates the standard of u21 football

Issac Heath, Harrison Armstrong, Justin Clarke… be nice to see just one given a chance to strut his stuff on the big stage. But highly unlikely to happen, unfortunately.

Armstrong stood out and I think he has the best chance of being involved.

Armstrong is an attacking 8 or a pressing 10, not a holding midfielder (in senior football anyway). He should be in the first team squad and given minutes. I'd be surprised if we signed the three attacking players we still need anyway.

I still think they're good enough to use them a little bit in order to generate transfer interest, especially in pre-season.

Got to agree with Michael, I'd love to see Heath given the chance to surprise people a bit this season, especially if we fail to achieve our needs in the transfer market – make a virtue of a necessity.

Don't know much about Campbell but I think his loans have been Scotland?

- a left winger age 20 with 2 goals and 6 assists in 35 games in u21s football, no England recognition at any level, no loan and no debut even for a cup game.

- a CB age 21 with some England youth recognition but not for nearly 4 years - who managed 2 appearances in the Belgian 2nd division while on loan last season.

- a CB age 20 with some England u20 recognition last October and 24 league games for Ross County in their relegation season from the Scottish Premier League

In the last 25 years (players whose 1st appearance was after 1999-2000 season) and who were in the academy from a young age rather than bought in their teens.

Made it (regular Everton or sold for big money):– Hibbert, Barkley, Rooney, Gordon, Osman, Rodwell, Davies, Anichebe, Jeffers.

Didn't make it - Kenny, Vaughan, Chadwick, Cadamateri, Clarke, Browning, Forshaw, Broadhead, Duffy, Baxter, Pennington, McAlney, Cannon, Dowell, Baningime, Dobbin, Onyango, Price.

And of the last four on the first list, I think the only one we would sign now would be the Jeffers before he went to Arsenal. So 5 players in 25 years. I wonder how that compares with the other 5 clubs who have been ever present in the Premier League over those years?

It would be interesting to know what proportion of Premier League players are British, European, African, South American, Asia and North American and should that be a guide to our recruitment.

I also suspect that while the saying is it is 10% inspiration and 90% perspiration, then to make it as a footballer, it is 10% skill and 90% determination.