Manifest incompetence in the final third against 10-man Bees

It is now gone. Dyche is pathetic.

Once a manager can't do the easy and obvious things he has to go.

Centre midfield should be Mangala, Gueye and Ndiaye. No brainer.

I fail to see what he brings to the game!

Otherwise, nothing new or enlightening.

He's probably just another wanker to join the others on the bench.

That's Dyche for you.

Young seems to be losing his wide man as he seems to tuck in too much otherwise there is only Doucoure who isn't having much of a game and we have Pickford to thank that we are not at least one goal down.

I thought the red card was a bit heavy as there didn't seem to be any intent just two players vying for a ball that was close to goal, more 50-50 than anything.

Playing for a draw at home against 10 men… fucking disgraceful.

McNeil needs to work on his corners although we only seem to have the one ploy from them which is to try and reach Tarkowski as he backs off from the far post.

Beto looked good and seemed to offer more than Calvert-Lewin who didn't look like he knew how to play off or with another striker. On that basis I'd be keeping Beto and look to cash in on Calvert-Lewin in January.

I suppose a point is a point but we must be running out of teams we feel we should be beating, and I don't remember ever saying that about any Everton team and that's from my first game in 1962.

Does any other team start a home game in that manner??

Our problem is the ownership issue – there is currently no-one to sack him or hire a replacement. The takeover can't come soon enough and where a lot of us thought it made sense to keep Dyche until the end of the season, the situation now is that the club and squad desperately need a new approach.

I genuinely worry that we'll be relegated if we don't get rid. I can't see us ever winning a game with him in charge.

I am not sure if the new owners watched this game but, if they did, I can't see Dyche lasting much longer as his game plan never deviated until late in the 2nd half, and he seemed okay with 1 point.

Something has to change when The Friedkin Group takes control next month… but will it???

Mykolenko and Young plus McNeil put in shit crosses all afternoon which were gobbled up by either their keeper or their center-backs.

They sat deep obviously after the sending-off and were not really troubled – truth be told.

Troubled times ahead with this squad being so poor.

Maybe time to sell the crown jewel and get some quality in for the second half of the season?

Next up at Goodison is Wolves who hit four at Craven Cottage after going a goal down. We might be fortunate to score four this side of Christmas.

Roll on the new beginning next season.

Keep fighting, Bues – every point is vital!

We are being let down by our players. Lindstrøm is poor, McNeil blows hot and cold, and Ndiaye to be honest was poor too. If we have faster and better quality players on the wings, the outcome can be different.

Michael #21, mostly agreed. We have two players with real pace, maybe two who can shoot. When you have this many shots and exactly one is dangerous -- Beto's last crack was the only one with a chance to go in -- the problem is the players, not the manager. I only disagree on Ndiaye... I think he's quality but just trying too hard to force things.

John #22, spot on but we don't need to sell anybody. Assuming Friedkin has closed his deal before the January window, we will have funds to spend on players. And I'll guarantee Thelwell already has his shopping list in hand.

I honestly think it's too late now – this clown looks like he'll take us down.

This team has no pace at all.

What a negative twat. 😡😡😡😡

Hopefully a new manager installed in January.

Hopefully, the new owners will get rid of Dyche prior to the January window.

Me? I don't care one iota about any of that lot... they can put in their papers any time they like.

I'll pour myself a large Irish and thank all that's holy that I once watched Ray Wilson, Alex Young, Alan Ball et al.

Apologies to you youngsters.

Not only has he done a great job IMO but you need somebody in the office who actually knows the club. New owners rarely clean out the entire staff.

What will Moyes do differently from Dyche?

Who's on the bench that Dyche is leaving out that we would all play?

Truth is that the squad and team are crap after years of decimation and non-renewal of quality.

I really don't know where this ‘Dyche is underperforming' nonsense comes from. Who exactly is he leaving out that would change things?

We're crap — as evidenced week after week after week.

Dyche and Doucoure should win the Ballon de Merde!

First and foremost, I just want this parasite gone. But please, for once, let's use some creativity in the replacement.

One team is coached, has a game plan, freshens it up when it needs to.

The other is lost after having a man up. Playing against 10 men, you need to widen the pitch, wear the opposition down by keeping possession and moving it quickly. This was the perfect time for a 3-4-2-1 and bring Harrison on for Young.

No, we don't have a clue what to do. An uncoached uncohesive selection of individuals playing off the cuff. Dyche has no idea how to break a team down, he's never done it in his life.

He didn't even think about using Patterson. Say what you like about his defending but this kid can run all day and would have got to the bye line, something we never did all game.

Clueless manager, totally tactically inept.

Speaking on a level-headed mindset here, we have to accept the Dyche way is primitive and he will not change, he will not try to play a different style.

Our way of playing under this manager went out of fashion in the last century, teams just don't play like that anymore which is why they stretch their searches for upcoming managers far and wide.

His win ratio is absolutely abysmal, I believe one of the worst in any of the recent Everton managers and it can't go on. If we persist with this, then I truly believe it will end in relegation this season.

Thank him for the derby victory in April, shake his hand for the mini spell last December, but what's gone on before and after that has been some of the most mind-numbing dross I've seen probably since Walter Smith's first three or four months in charge.

Benitez was sacked for less.

People will say it's the players, it's not, trust me, the players will not enjoy never being able to express themselves during a football match.

You can get a bunch of players even in League One to pass move, construct little moves together and look like a decently assembled attacking unit.

But it all comes down to the management and his staff beside him.

This can't go on.

The manager in such circumstances is a light bulb and anybody half decent could be plugged in. We wrongly believe that success can be manager-driven and we believe that changing manager will do the job.

Everton FC needs a clean-out from top to bottom.

I have no doubt that they will rock up to Goodison and fully expect on their last-ever visit to the Old Lady to take all the spoils, like most teams expect these days at Goodison Park.

The predictable loss at Old Trafford next Sunday will be 2 wins in 13 with trips to Arsenal, home games against Liverpool and a rejuvenated Chelsea before Christmas and horrible-looking fixtures just after.

I'll be astonished if we are still above 18th come the first week of January.

This became a big game for the manager the moment they went down to 10 men. It did not go well second half.

If we could buy pace down the flanks in January, things could change for this squad.

We have a team that cannot create goalscoring opportunities. We just have no idea in attack and this all down to Dyche's negative approach to a game of football.

It's a long time since we had a good football team – too long for a club of Everton's stature.

Very disappointed today. It's gonna be a hard road ahead.

90% Dyche, 10% players' attitude and confidence caused by Dyche. ;)

Any other manager out there would get more from these players.

The way some of our fans talk, you'd think we had part-time postmen and milkmen meeting up on a Sunday morning to kick a casey about on a muddy field.

These are Premier League athletes, playing at an elite level, some of them with multiple caps at international level. This manager spreads fear amongst them.

Ever since he walked through the door and all last summer – despite finishing on a respectable points tally, the only word on his lips is relegation.

Relegation is Sean Dyche's only vocabulary.

I'm sorry, I agree with the players aren't good enough but they're not as bad as that today. The manager is tactically useless: Plan A is the same as Plan B and Plan C. He doesn't coach them cos, even at 10 men, Brentford were playing better football and had the best chance in the second half.

If McNeil and Doucoure turned up with broken legs, he'd still pick them. I actually wish for the first time I didn't go the match as it's too hard to watch. Someone made a point: 27 shots but only a couple of them were close.

Dyche has got to go and unfortunately we will be in the Bottom 3 at New Year. I hope I'm wrong but I can't see us scoring – never mind getting a point.

I've never seen such fan disengagement online as this season, and I put that down to Dyche and the depressing football.

I thought we might win this before the kick-off, but I did say Who do we have that might score? There is no threat coming from midfield which is a big weakness.

Anyone blaming Dyche today is talking nonsense in my opinion, we had every chance to win. I've no doubt though that the same suspects will pop up and be calling for his head again.

Despite a very slightly improved squad, the team has regressed this season. His decision-making and judgement of fitness have been poor.

And it's becoming increasingly clear that he appears to have little or no answers other than plugging away and hoping something happens.

Not good enough. Might be enough to have us finishing 17th, but not good enough.

It's on the manager that he can't set a team up to play on the front foot.

Some of the home games, in fact most of the home games under him, are basically us defending a 0-0.

He was a month away from taking Burnley down, and for me, that's his level now.

Only when the takeover is done and dusted can the change occur and we can welcome yet another wanker in to break our hearts!

Going to watch Everton is like Groundhog Day.

We can't score 1 playing against 10 for nearly an hour.

Whatever happens with the takeover, we need to buy a striker who can forge his own chances as currently the side isn't helping Dominic and the striker isn't helping his team.

“In the Premier L eague season 2024-25, Everton, struggling near the bottom and facing a hard run of fixtures, kicked off at home against Brentford who hadn't yet won a point away from home. Dwight McNeil took the kick-off to start the game.
What happened next?

a) Everton swung the ball out to Iliman Ndiaye who beat his man and crossed for Dominic Calvert-Lewin to get the Blues off to a flier?

b) McNeil passed sideways to Calvert-Lewin who lobbed the Brentford keeper who was off his line for an outrageous goal.

C) McNeil carefully and deliberately played the ball crisply back to Jordan Pickford, the goalkeeper, in a statement of intent and big Fuck You from Sean Dyche to the Glwadys Street, and Everton failed to register a much needed win. Again.

Mentality from the very first kick. Just fucking awful.
It's not the players – it's instructions from the bench.
UTFT and FOD

That will be because Ipswich have pace or because they spent £100M this summer.

Forget the fact that they were a League One squad before that injection or that Dyche doesn't want pace and his wingers bar Cornet never had pace (and he often played him upfront because he didn't do the hard yards).

We now have 11 points from 12 games. Lampard had 14 points from 13 games with a dreadful squad and no centre-forward and standard fixtures. After only 1 point from his next 8 games, he was eventually sacked with 15 points from 21 games.

That sacking came about 4 games too late yet we are probably already the equivalent under Dyche considering our fixture list til the New Year.

This is no longer about the shit football, tactical inflexibility and crap decision-making. This is breaking point now but just unconfirmed by the Premier League table.

You're talking to Evertonians, not some idiots who have no idea about football. Your excuse – that the club have been a basket case for years now – is true… but how on earth does that equate to not being able to beat a team, with 10 men, that have let in 22 goals in 11 games with 11 men??

Enough, Mr Dyche, you have run out of ideas, though using the plural of idea may be pushing it a bit far. The players need a new voice and a more positive outlook on how to approach a game.

No more of the "This is how we are going to make sure we don't lose this game" mantra. Oh and good luck against Wolves. Cunha, a player you would have in the stands, awaits your negative tactics next.

As the Moody Blues sang – Go Now!

People got their wish to see Ndiaye play No 10 for 45 minutes… Thoughts?

Countless poor decisions in the final third are the norm with this group of players. Lack of quality and guile cost us.

Lindstrøm was poor again, I can't see what he brings to us; Harrison at least puts defensive work in.

Dyche's job is safe until the takeover happens as there isn't anyone to sack him. The worrying thing is that Roma have had 4 Managers in 12 months and ended up with Ranieri.

It's another point anyhow.

We are currently appallingly managed. The players are effectively told they can't or won't win before they step out on the pitch.

His comments: ”The main thing is to not lose it.“ He should be sacked just for saying that.

What was worst for me though was that the straw I was grasping was that the fault is 100% Dyche's and that the squad is better than it is made to look.

My thoughts are that a new coach could make them slightly better – but only marginally so – as our manager-go-round seems to have proven.

Quality is what makes life worth living (Zen) but, as Evertonians, we have none within our club.

I don't blame Sean Dyche for his inadequacies as a football coach – he won't ever change his philosophy because he's too old and from an age of ale house football. If I was on his money, I'd stay too!!

I also don't really blame the players – let's be honest, they are shit, but are better than he is allowing them to be. Football is a mindset confidence game and his management style erodes your confidence to go play with freedom – too much instruction, too much forward restrictions, and zero continuity in attack.

I blame the institution that is Everton Football Club – whose standards have been allowed to drop to a depressingly low level, whose players, staff, and owners have shown a disgusting disregard and disrespect to its still ridiculously loyal fan base.

A new bloody stadium is not going to fix that. I hope these new owners ditch every single one of them and start afresh – and I mean the lot.

Beto at least let them know he was there with three headers and a shot that was blocked. He's not the answer but offers more than Dominic at the moment.

Some very poor performances out there today — was there a very good one from any of them?

So we really need this thing to go through fast, cos we are just treading water at the moment.

Calvert-Lewin contributed nothing today but it's not down to individual players. The manager picks the team and the tactics and is responsible for in-game management.

The DoF is responsible for the players and our style of play.

Is it any wonder, when you look at Wolves when Thelwell was there and Burnley when Dyche was there, that we can't score goals???

Today was a great example of the negative mindset. Young had the ball right side, he pushed forward then stopped, and simply passed back.

Maybe he was too knackered to run into the open space, If so, why is he playing? Not singling him out just highlighting the mindset.

I have dissed Beto too much though. There is actually a decent player in there and he could do okay in a decent team.

What about the corners? Perhaps McNeil shouldn't take them? His unerring accuracy in putting the ball into the keeper's hands was amazing.

Their left-back was good apart from that thing on his lip, wish we could afford him.

Patterson would have got to the bye line, something we never did all game.

Ndiaye? Cut back from the byeline, to nobody.

Mykolenko?? Sharp cross from wide left, 1 yard off the byeline, fizzed across goal ahead of statuesque Everton strikers.

He can't get down the wing, he can't cross and his defending is last ditch.

The whole "People's Club", Grand Old Team, will only change if everything about the Everton way of doing things does. It's been run like it's still the 1960s since the '60s.

Perfect chance to go three at the back second half, Patterson and Harrison as wing backs, to stretch them out wide, but too negative to try that against a team that had no intention of storming forward.

3 nil up against Donny rovers in the cup, Young 6ft 3 striker on the bench, perfect game to give him last 15 mins, nah brings a defender on.

1 all against an almost reserve Saints side in the cup, no thought of going for a winner, throws a defender on.

Benitez, Sam and Lampard got the push and rightly so, but Dyche is up there with Mike Walker for me and still rolling the same dross football out every week.

Stood on the pitch at ft clapping and high fiving the players after a point.

I’ve had enough of his shite football, the sooner the new owners get in and bin him the better, even the most optimistic cannot possibly be thinking, be careful what you wish for.

This season, with arguably a better team, he has taken us backwards. The results have been poor and the performances have possibly been even worse.

He won't be going anywhere for the next couple of weeks but hopefully by January we will have new owners and that will be crunch time.

I suspect it will all depend on where we are in the league at that point. If Dyche (somehow) pulls out some unexpected results in December and keeps us around 13/14/15th than I reckon TFG will want to give him the rest of the season and probably replace in the summer, when there will be a wider pool of managers to pick from. If ( as looks increasingly likely) we limp through December with only the odd draw to draw hope from and finish the year around 17/18/19th then surely they will pull the trigger and choose a new man.

If the latter comes to pass I'd quite like to see Graham Potter. Hit risky perhaps but he turned around the style at Brighton pretty quickly and I think the Everton fans might respond to a more aspirational style after the last two years of pragmatism. The other option would be a caretaker, probably in the pragmatic mold, such as Moyes.

Michael@75- if you want to be clever make sure your literary skills follow.. Ndiaye is a left winger who you found one example and Mykolenko is a left back who again you found one example. This in 45vminutes against ten men.

Just to be clear Michael, Patterson is a right back. I was looking endlessly in your report for Lindstrom cut inside where Young overlapped and got to the bye line. Unfortunately I couldn't find it.

But hey ho join the band who tell us about all our shit players. Yet the team we faced don't have a point away from home, have their 2 full backs missing and striker they bought to replace Toney.Yet their left winger had to play left back but so little was he tested that he decided to play like Gareth Bale regardless.. Our manager couldn't see him marauding and never thought to get Patterson on to see him go the other way.

Dyche would have taken Lewis Potter off if he tried that at Everton or battered it out of him

So, it is with some dismay that some can still claim that Dyche shoulders no blame.

I've been trying ever so hard recently to not reply to Raymond Fox's cranky posts, but I can't let this one go:

"Anyone blaming Dyche today is talking nonsense in my opinion, we had every chance to win. I've no doubt though that the same suspects will pop up and be calling for his head again" (51).

I love the sneery "usual suspects" as if this Fox sits on some elevated plateau when, in fact, he types gump gibberish. He is dealt with firmly and quickly - like swatting an annoying fly - by Paul Tran in the next reasonable and well-argued post (52).

The hard-boiled egg merits no blame and therefore he should never ever be sacked. He's that good. Fucking blameless. As innocent as a new-born babe.

He only: picks the team, makes decisions about each squad member, sets the team up, watches training on the “grass”, has ‘tactical’ meetings with the other hard-boiled eggs, stands on the touchline watching games unfold, makes decisions in accordance with the way that the game is unfolding, changes set-ups if necessary to respond to the way the game unfolds, makes timely and strategically astute substitutions, is supposed to encourage and take an open eye and mind to the whole squad and that includes younger players, gives utterly depressing pressers that are in so many places inarticulate and just plain dumb teasing the English language that leave many astonished by the audacious and self-serving drivel that pours out of his mouth.

That’s right Mr. Fox. Maybe you watch the pressers in fawning pleasure nodding along as

Dyche claims that he should take no blame or responsibility and it’s all down to the last ten years and lady luck (he called her Dame Luck) and thin margins and individual errors and … so and and so on ... add infinitum ...

Remember Raymond et al, he “smells” things.

He can then march off over the horizon with his pay off claiming some absurd statistic along the lines of fewest defeats since...blah blah blah. He's started already - "One defeat in 8" or whatever it is.

I really do believe that is his motivation now. Just avoid defeat. A win would just be a bonus, and what happens to Everton after he's gone he won't give a stuff. He has no love for this club.

Funnily enough the back-four haven't been the issue for the last few matches, it's in midfield and up top where the real problems lie, and those players in those positions don't seem to egg each other on, or show as much passion, as the defenders tend to do.