Beto blow — Moyes confirms forward to miss West Ham clash

Will he trust him to deliver, something Barry has mostly failed to do since Newcastle 2 months ago. Only 1 goal in the last 10 games.

And yet Braiden Graham has been considered and smacked down back in his place by the wily old dog. Just makes me sick why he refuses to bring players through.

I hope he tries someone or something else.

George doesn't deserve it after that lackluster effort in the derby. If we are still thinking of buying him, then yeah, put him out there.

I think Ndiaye could add some value to his stock if he plays striker and makes things happen. Maybe occasionally send Keane up to fuck with them.

Are we fighting for a European spot?

Hopefully it's just this one he misses.

Although with Branthwaite out, I guess that would mean Garner to right-back, which isn't ideal.

I would hate to see Barry in the line-up. Where Beto has improved, Barry has declined... so we could consider the "best finisher in the squad" Keane up front.

Play O'Brien in his natural position and play Garner at right-back or Seamus Coleman if he's up to it but we have to remember its Summerville who they will be up against.

We also have to consider giving some game time to Alcaraz, Iroegbunam, Rohl and / or Armstrong as we will probably need them in the run-in.

As a team, we are much better than West Ham... but they are dangerous on the break and very motivated lately.

COYB.

I'd get that looked at if I were you.

Much as it pains me to say, Barry will probably start up front due to the lack of other options. Doesn't sound like Moyes likes that option either but what can you do?

Destroy a young player before they're ready... that's what.

Can't afford to take Ndiaye out of midfield because the shape goes and he won't start George or Dibling there anyway.

Barry will start, play crap, we'll go behind, and off he'll come.

I don't think we have a shot at Europe nor do I want us there now. We aren't ready for two-front football.

So, with that said, I wouldn't be upset losing to Wesr Ham for obvious reasons. I think Wolves can draw with Spurs.

We should play Alcaraz or Rhol in the striker role. Why not? Both very talented footballers who would give West Ham a lot to think about.

Give Alcaraz ago, he might not be a world beater but we'll be guaranteed maximum effort from him.

What usually happens in these circumstances is Barry scores a hat-trick and wins the game for us.

You never know!

But he's not giving the bench a chance, even last Sunday, predictably he brought on George and Barry, and didn't change a tiring midfield, which cost us in the end.

Our season is in danger of petering out to a mid table finish so we might as well go for it in these last games.

Playing Barry is like playing with 10 men. I truly don't rate him. His attitude stinks too. He looks like he couldn't give a damn. At least Beto tries hard, despite his sometimes horrific finishing and inability to control a football.

Barry is awful and actually has a negative impact on our play.

He gives defences a worry with just his physicality.

I'd go for Ndiaye false 9, bring in George and see if west ham can handle the pace.

Worried now, tomorrow is massive again, we haven't won the last 2 massive games against the teams we're up against, yet we still have a great opportunity, I don't want it to just fizzle away with Barry not busting his gut to get on the end of everything. It would just suck the fuckin life out me if he's on and jogging round.

Hope I'm wrong, if he plays, he should see it as his chance, something just tells me the lads heads elsewhere.

It’s a long season, especially when you have played for two different teams in two different leagues, for a player as young as Harrison, and he must have been doing a very good job at Preston, because since he left, they have also gone off the boil.

We’re at a point now where it’s make or break, shit or bust. Europe or 12th. And if it’s break, then Moyes should definitely experiment.

We’ve got enough quality in midfield to push Garner back into RB, and try something different up front.

But hey. Tis what it is.

No one we have is a Cahill but Dewsbury-Hall, Ndiaye, Alcaraz, George looks like a decent front 4 to me.

There is a row of oracles who sit behind me who constantly berate Beto for going back for corners. 'Centre-forwards should stay up'. Never heard anything so uninformed. (Although there is a lot that they say that is nonsense.)

If only Terry & Barry from Brookie had his desire and effort.

Assuming he's starting. Because that individual needs to start.

According to TransferMarket, Tyrique George has played centre-forward against Wolves and scored, albeit in a League Cup 4th Round earlier this season.

He's played 11 times as a centre-forward in his career, so far, scoring 2, with 4 assists. So give it a go.

I was all for Barry to be given time, but not now; he just isn't good enough.

If the club can get anywhere close to what we paid for him, I reckon he will be sold -- his attitude gives the impression he would welcome a move.

On a completely different subject, I wonder how and what Leeds have done to keep Calvert-Lewin fit all season, amazing.

Still, West Ham are not much and Everton have had some decent results down there in recent seasons.

However it will be a tall order to get three points with Beto crocked.

You can put your house on the fact he'll play Barry despite knowing he's gonna offer nothing up top and just skulk around the pitch.

C'monm Davey, show us your metal!

Barry is 24 in the Autumn. He is not a ‘young player'. He is in or near to the middle part of his career. This is what we have. A player who has come through the development cycle of the ‘young' player and he is, well, not very good. His derby run-out was nothing short of appalling. In a world where all options are on the table he should be as far from starting as I am from Erbil.

However, I've watched David Moyes OBE grow and develop since 2002 from being Moyes Mrk 1 back then to becoming Moyes Mk 2 now. He will pick Barry. The interesting thing for me is who will replace hopeless and hapless Barry when he is subbed or what sparkling out-of-the-box tactical rethinking by our Davie saves the day.

If I was in Moyes's shoes tomorrow because he took the day off to buy up all of the available footy cards in which he appears so no one will ever see one again:

https://www.tumblr.com/scotsfootycards/67055910735/that-david-Moyes-card

I would put either George or Ndiaye up front and in whatever constellation appears put McNeil on the bench (which he ought to warm until the summer when he and Barry will depart for lesser meadows) and start George and Dibling (if Ndiaye plays the false 9).

Erm, so that would be, I think: Pickford, O'Brien, Keane, Tarkowski, Mykolenko, Gana, Garner, Dewsbury-Hall, George, Dibling, Ndiaye.

1) Don't Lose!

2) Don't Lose

and

3) Deffo don't lose ... and (maybe try) to Pinch 1

A wall of 4 (3.5?) containing Keane almost 95% guarantees a lowish block.

5% Patterson starts, though Garner has more chance.

And I would also not rule out No Barry at all and a version of the arl 4:6 formation.

Moyes will justify no wild experimentation as being fair to the other team in the drop zone.

I hope the new owners give us a very pleasurable surprise in the close season —no prizes for questing what I would like!

Deerstalker, Sombrero or Noddy ?

It always concerned me that a character in a children's book had to wear headgear with a warning system to alert members of the public of his approach.

Maybe todays criminal should have to wear such a device for public safety reasons

Taking that one step further, maybe Barry should too. With the caveat that its removal would occur if he put a shift in and started scoring.

Damned Enid Blyton

Nah 4:6 formation and 3 keepers on the bench

I expect he'll play Barry and we all agree afterwards that we played with 10 men.

Guy doesn't look interested and does all the wrong things.

Whatever, we are good enough to beat West Ham whoever plays, the league positions tell us they are not very good.

They will be syked up and very nervous and that can go two ways for them, good or bad. They are only favs because of home advantage and the game being perceived as more important to them than us.

We are the better team and I don't think we will lose, that is if the ref is not a homer.

you'd never guess from the cryarsing in here that we were going for Europe for the first time in about ten years, would you.

Champions League?

But we are still in with a chance of top-half finish.

you're one of the most positive voices on this forum.

Tight as a gnats chaff.

They also had a ruthless three at the back who were the Lunt brothers and a towering keeper at 6 feet 6 who ruled the 6-yard box, and these were all amateur footballers.

Comparisons to yesterday with nothing up front and no one to rule the 6-yard box having a keeper who never leaves his line. Newcastle, Spurs, Arsenal, Liverpool and now West Ham all concentrated on swinging in corners and free kicks knowing our defensive fragilities. Great shot stopper but no command of the box at all.

Barry is so poor albeit he had no support up front with McNeil way out of his depth and absolutely nothing from anyone else in the first 70 minutes. Gana has no pace and was continually left for dead by Summerville. Overrun many times in midfield were these two.

A giraffe size center half playing right back and a left back who rarely get crosses in offers no support to a lone striker.

Typical Moyes team set up to nick a goal and that's his trait, but he was found wanting yesterday as hardly anyone offered anything going forward with full backs suffering nose bleeds after crossing the halfway line it seemed.

It only became a contest once we introduced some forward momentum via George who I thought played a very good cameo once he came on. He offered an out ball and continually drove forward.

Supercomputer I saw online yesterday placed us 7th from bottom come end of the season and I was having a laugh once I had seen it. It puts us just above Leeds come end of the season.

Possibly another drubbing next week so it might not be far off the mark and when was the last time, we got anything at Spurs.

Certainly, a penalty shout when it was punched out of play yesterday, but strangely a corner was given. How is a corner given when a player punches a ball out of play. It's either a penalty or a foul the other way whatever way you look at it.

Refs absolutely hate us. Complain in the strongest terms and see what the explanation is this time from PC plod at the referee's headquarters. Probably another made up ambiguous explanation to protect the shite referees we have to put up with week after week. Remember us having a player booked for taking a quick free kick early on in the season.

My rant is now over for today but for Moyes saying the players have to believe they can get into Europe, he himself needs to believe and make sensible starting formations who can offer width and support to the front men whoever they may be. No width and no support up front don't not get you into Europe.