Plans for an extra ferry from Pier Head to the Wirral announced

And it's only now they're doing something.

That's because they had a couple of TWers advisising them that the stadium would never be built.

Baby steps when strides are needed...

Surely the docks development deserves a fit for purpose transport scheme, we need a good mayor, that guy from Manchester would do.

What would be even cooler is a ferry terminal at the stadium.

For me, this doesn't solve a lot.

Ian @6, Any talk of regeneration the stadium was supposed to bring has gone eerily quiet.

I may be wrong but in 4 years they have put in a bicycle lane around that area.

The tide will probably be out when they plan to put a ferry on!

The Sandhills debacle with its pen like barriers are another insult.

We don't have very good politicians with a vision to improve the City. I would love to know what they class as achievements for the people of the area.

It makes me wish Andy Burnham had become the Liverpool City Region Mayor rather than take of the Manchester role, and not just because he's an Evertonian.

This stadium is more than about just Everton, it's about the spin-off benefits for the city and surrounding areas.

act is, if this was Manchester or London, there would already be a tram, a new train station, a ferry terminal, and new car parks in place.

Meanwhile, we haven't even got a proper car park.

LCC put up barriers. It's quite embarrassing really. Heaven help when the Euros come into town.

Mind you, they did do a good job on the song contest!

Hopefully, whichever party is voted in have got a plan for the infrastructure around what is a massive scale of regeneration.

Plans for ferry from Wirral to new Everton Stadium announced

No. It goes to Pier Head — not the new Everton Stadium that is a good 30 minutes walk down-river from the Pier Head!

And it's only one extra sailing on the regular service — the creation of something new that is specific to the development of the new stadium.

And so far, it is only a trial for the second test event!

Sorry but these bloody headline writers drive me insane!

They are of course innocent until proved otherwise:

The Crown Prosecution Service charging statement on alleged Liverpool City Council related bribery and public office misconduct case

When the Tory government had to send people in to help sort it out, we were all up in arms; 3 years later, up pops the thieving gits dishing out jobs (contracts) for the boys!!

"What would be even cooler is a Ferry terminal at the stadium."

Or next door at Nelson Dock?

It'll happen. It'll be a magnificent set up and experience.

I don't think any of those charged have had anything to do with the council since before we began building the new stadium.

Okay, it provides an additional layer of transport, but it's hardly visionary in terms of improving the transport infrastructure and doesn't solve a lot.

I like the idea of water taxis, Robert. It works well in London and is included in the wider Transport for London network. As long as it didn't just service from the Wirral. No offence meant to our Wirral neighbours, but it could run from Garston to Crosby, zig-zagging across to points on the Wirral and landing points on the Liverpool side in a circular loop.

Here's a radical thought, which came into my head, with all of this nautical talk. When stationed in south-west Wales, a friend, whose home was in north Devon, used to avoid the lengthy round trip by parking at one of the nearby beaches, get his Jet Ski off the trailer and head across the Bristol Channel. It saved him hours. Now there's a thought, however given we can't even muster a car park, a jet ski park would be a fantasy!!

I've been to the Johan Cruyff Arena in Amsterdam. Great watching the academy teams train in view of the stadium and yes, there is a station for mainline trains and an adjacent Metro/Underground station.

We shouldn't be having this debate. Even if not in place, you would think that several years would be sufficient to have at least a plan in place.

It all takes time. The country is skint. London and to some degree Manchester seem to have first dibs on spending. But we'll get there because I expect it will all contribute to commercial revenues.

Amsterdam, a city very like Liverpool, works well with cycle, water taxi, ferry, tram etc transport system linking it all together. That's how I envision it anyway.

Safety at Sandhills seems to be the issue here. Access will need to be managed on matchdays, and provision for this could have been made well in advance. Pudding Mill Lane station is well managed at West Ham's ground; there are plenty of barriers, no island platforms and there's a large concourse providing a space for people to wait.

Everything else is in place. No doubt there will be bus services put on, and a significant number of fans will make the walk from town. Add to that the prospect of glider busses on dedicated lanes to come in time for the Euros and the stadium will be well served outside of MerseyRail.

I've been saying for a long time now that, whilst Birmingham is considered the second city, that is based on population. The reality in terms of business, media re-locations and Government departments setting up alternative sites, is that Manchester is now the second city.

Danny @25. It happens a lot at stations around the country. Tottenham and Arsenal spring to mind as does the station just outside Brighton's Amex stadium. You are funnelled and then there is controlled access to the platform in waves, to avoid overcrowding.

That said, the last time I used Kirkdale (a few years ago now), it was similar on the way back into town.

I noticed the canoe club about 300 yards from the ground, maybe they can help?

I don’t think the planners in the council and at the club have played a blinder in considering the different transport options. They’ve had years to think this through.

It is intended to use the canal to import modular sections of their proposed new stadium! Who owns the canal - Peel! The canal will be upgraded to.facilitate this.

Meanwhile the politicians and planners of Liverpool have been sitting on their hands for at least 3 years regarding upgrades to the access issue for the stadium and the proposed Liverpool Waters and other developments.

They should have already done a major upgrade to the dock road in preparation for this activity. Looking from afar it looks like the City of Liverpool has been run like Everton has been for the last 20 years.

There is so much potential for the City of Liverpool - it needs some visionary leaders.

Seriously the council are an embarrassment and especially the gobshite, who said “we didn’t know if the stadium was going to be complete”

Everton never stopped building once they started and yet we have people in high office uttering complete drivel and this only underlines their incompetence.

It’s been going on forever, looking at a lot of major airports, then they seem to have logically been built by water. This logic tells me that Liverpool should have been the main airport in the north, but I think you need progressive people in office, if you really want to progress?

When it comes to politics they all, mostly, piss in the same pot and we at the bottom are treated the same no matter who is running the Country or Cities.

I mentioned this in a debate a couple of years back. I don't know how true, but my mother always told the tale of how Speke was a bigger airport than Manchester after the war. Apparently, when there was talk of expanding an airport in the north of England, one of the Liverpool councillors insisted that Liverpool was a port city, so attention turned to Manchester.

I think this happened in the 50s. Liverpool Airport lost it's standing as a larger operation than Manchester, which overtook us.

Fast forward and Speke was at one point only serving Ireland and the Isle of Man prior to the advent of budget airlines to European holiday destinations and the JLA rebrand.

Meanwhile, Manchester, with three terminals became the UK's 3rd airport after Heathrow and Gatwick, with major international airlines using it as a UK hub.

You are spot on, I just wish we had Andy Burnham as our Mayor instead of Steve Rotherham. Danny your Mum was correct that Speke was bigger than Ringway as it was called back then. I saw Ratcliffe last week saying how the Labour Government were getting behind the regeneration of Manchester, so what happened to this Cities regeneration, a City that nearly always returns Labour MPs in most wards.
To think that if it hadnt been for a Conservative minister who his leader Thatcher thought she was handing him a poison chalice, Liverpool One and the Albert Dock renovation would never have happened.

I suggested 2 years ago that we should build a landing stage at BMD and run ferries from across the river and I even suggested a park and ferry service from Otterspool. We have built a magnificent stadium with no public money and our Council cant even provide a decent transport system to allow fans to get there without having a 30 minute hike.

Remember the trackless trams I mentioned years ago. They could run a track each side of the road all the way up from the bottom of James Street and turn them round at each intersection.

A shuttle service of four trams could cope with a lot of the people movement required on match days and would attract a decent amount in fares.

Then use it as a pilot model for the rest of the city.

Dave # I lost faith in most politicians on both sides of politics many years ago. Nine out of ten of them appear to me to be little more than careerists.

I have my own opinion of Radcliffe but he is a billionaire entrepreneur and he will drive the development of the Utd stadium - with other peoples (taxpayers) money.

Maybe just maybe Friedman’s interest in the Nelson Dock is an indicator that he is going to influence the development of the waterfront and surrounding areas.

Danny # 31 - when you think about it, isn’t it ludicrous that a city 30 miles inland from what was one of the two English major Atlantic seaports has progressed so much more than the City of Liverpool?

My namesake Jesse Hartley would turn in his grave. Read it and weep.

Link

Similarly, OCL and ACT in the late '60s were formed to get into containerisation and asked the Liverpool Harbour Master to build a container terminal but his reply was that it would never catch on and those companies making up OCL & ACT moved down to Southampton and Ipswich in the mid '70s.

Liverpool grew as a port as it was on nearest side to the Americas and it would have been interesting to have seen what might have happened when Britain joined the Common Market.

I think Manchester Councils’ decision to work with successive governments instead of fighting against them worked in their favour and left our City lagging well behind.

If noise was the issue, then it didn't bother Manchester, who stole a march. When I look at the businesses located in Salford Quays (my current company has an office there), national BBC and ITV studios, the national intelligence agencies (GCHQ & MI6 have satellites

I love my city and I'm proud to say I am from there. But too often we have been let down back a lack of vision.

There is a lot of truth in what Dave says @35. Instead of fighting, it might have been better to influence.

It hadn't happened when I was at school and I worked for one of the shipowners who were involved in the resurrection of containers which were first started by the American military in WW2 but then reverted to conventional shipping, as it became known.

As you say, a lack of vision… which itself is strange as it was just such that made Liverpool the second city of the Empire.