David Moyes on the gulf between Everton and Liverpool

Knife to the gunfight.

The usual lowering and managing of expectations on the eve of a derby match is not what I wanted to hear — no matter how true it is.

Top level football is as much about psychology as ability. Moyes has made a fantastic living out of being a top coach. He must be a good motivator of players but he's a pretty dire motivator of fans.

The RS have won a poor league this season, so let's start catching them from next season; stick by Moyes and the team is what's needed now.

His main thought at Everton and West Ham has always been “How can I get out of here without a beating?”

Tonight was the usual — KITAP1 and a hardworking defeat. Nothing to see here, move along now, folks,

Stabilise things with Moyes but build a structure that the Stagen2 Manager who will win competitions can fit into and carry on with. He handed a poor Liverpool side the Premier League title. He deserves to get taken apart by Arsenal this weekend for that. The signs that Moyes was resorting to type were there since the Man Utd game.

The team may have worked hard but selection, organisation and subs was subservient to Moyes not getting the heavy defeat he feared. Back to a form of Dycheball.

We can't let Moyes get away with the excuses of quality and gulf. Davey, words are a reflection of your soul.

Delusional Bblues? Does that include the thousands that watched and aged for 11 years whilst Moyes didn't win against the top 4?

I just hope TFG don't fall for his bullshit.

Football is a sporting contest no matter how rigged it is. Both teams should be in with a chance of winning. The common denominator is Moyes, he can't win against the big boys – no matter which team he manages. There is a reason he didn't last long at Man Utd, isn't there?

4 or 5 years of Moyes will not bring any form of success to the club.

I can't take more years of defensive and sitting back, we've had decades of it watching our lovely neighbours win trophy after trophy.

We're not getting relegated and we narrowly lost to the champions elect. Give the man some credit for turning this team around and get real. The gulf is evident and we got beat narrowly by a better team.

But the gulf isn't as big, from what I saw in that first half, as the gobshites think and with replacements for Harrison and Doucoure in last night's eleven, replacements who can actually play Premier League standard football, we could've won that.

The past is the past. Moyes might not be the man to take us forward but the new stadium and some shrewd business in the transfer window will see that “gulf” close sooner than it would've if we had gone down with Dyche.

He may not be the ”Moyesiah” but he's earned my respect and gratitude.

Exactly right, Mark, 100%.

The difference between us and the unfortunately champions elect in the best league in the world over two games is exactly 1 goal — and, with a bit of fortune, it could have been even better for us.

We don't like where The Shite are at the moment but that's hardly Moyes's fault. To accuse him of handing The Shite the league is ridiculous bearing in mind they were 9 points clear with a game in hand before we even kicked off last night.

Yes, I didn't like his presser, to be honest, but we gave them a real game, both home and away, imho.

Moyes getting ripped a new one for losing 1-0 away to the team at the top of the league with the squad we currently have? Come on — let's keep some perspective here.

I hate losing to The Shite, like any other Blue, but let's face facts: a lot of our team are not good enough; I'm confident that will change over the next couple of transfer windows.

Lots to be positive about going forward. With 4 new decent players, we will be very competitive imo.

The press conference comments are unforgivable. He started that shit first time around and had Kenwright turning us into "poor old little Everton".

If I was TFG, I wouldn't trust him with my money to win stuff. To tread water just around 13th is the ceiling for Moyes.

He is a good standard Premier League manager. He won't be winning anything anytime soon.

They have moved forward and Everton have regressed but, like Moyes has said sometime since last night's game, maybe the gap is not as big as he thought.

It's still huge but, with the right recruitment… who knows?

If you are going to try to compare Moyes favourably with Dyche or anybody else, games against Liverpool are not a good starting point. He's never won at Anfield.

While you talk about Moyes losing narrowly to them, you need to remember that Dyche's Everton twatted them.

People talk about Dyche's negative tactics, but he has won at the grounds of top clubs – including Anfield. Something Moyes hasn't managed in a thousand attempts…

They began the game 9 points clear at the top of the Premier League while we had just finished a decent run to take us clear from the relegation positions. Sometimes, the truth hurts.

Moyes out? Already? Dyche back? Already?

I'm all for Iraola in the near future but I truly believe, if we hadn't brought Moyes in when we did, last night would've been a nail in our coffin — not just another defeat at their place.

It's just one more thing Sky et al have convinced us is an important part of the game.

Dyche is no longer here and Moyes's record at the grounds of top clubs is still acutely embarrassing.

As for the nail in our coffin? That's just hypothetical nonsense. Take a look at the league table. None of the bottom three have managed to get past the 20-point mark. The nails in their coffins were hammered in before a ball was kicked this season.

There is no hiding place for Moyes. I bet he goes into retirement without a win at Anfield. Nobody would have had as many failed attempts.

I think it's a mental attitude to the game and Moyes just doesn't believe he can win there — that was proven by his team selection last night and delayed subs.

To have never won a match at Anfield in a 25-year managerial career is an utter disgrace.

The players don't believe that they can do it and that comes from the manager. You could see the fear in the players when they had opportunities to score.

Knife to a gunfight.

Don't get me wrong, I am by no means a Moyes fan, I was relieved when he left us years ago. But there is no doubt in my mind that we were in a death spiral under Dyche and I could say it's hypothetical nonsense to say otherwise. Works both ways.

I personally hate cagey football but I honestly saw a very good away performance in the first half last night. I think what happened at half-time was that Moyes kept it the same (quite reasonably imo) whilst Slot did what a top manager does and changed Liverpool's game in search of the win.

I don't blame Moyes for holding – it wasn't broke, don't fix it. His game plan could've should've seen us 2-up at half-time. I just don't think Moyes deserves the stick he's getting for a defeat we all expected after 9 games unbeaten.

To repeat myself, I'd love Iraola to come in, even this summer, with some young, hungry athletes to replace the outgoing. I'm not falling out with anyone over this — I just think Moyes is getting disproportionate stick.

The derby shit, 10 mins of joy as the red shite win a very dull league.

"And Everton, plagued by injuries from their 0-2 victory at Anfield are relegated. They will still be cheering in the Championship, in a half-empty new stadium."

Sky News

It's where they currently are and where we currently are. We don't like it but it's reality at the moment. That will change, hopefully.

We had Harrison and Doucoure playing for us, for fuck's sake! By rights, we should have got murdered in both games; we didn't.

Incidentally, did I hear right that Spurs hadn't won at Stamford Bridge for 32 games, 33 now?