Everton condemn racist abuse directed towards Dominic Calvert-Lewin’s wife

Calvert-Lewin's wife Sandra receiving “threatening, racist, and misogynistic abuse" on social media because she said some supportive words about her husband.

Fucking disgraceful. Fucking morons.

Cowards and not True Blue fans, despicable.

Modern life is rubbish.

I know, 99% on here wouldn't go quite that far or say it directly to a player or their family, but we've had plenty of people who still think it funny to make the DCL-in-a-dress or DCL-with-a-handbag joke. And many have no problem talking about some of our players as complete losers because they misplace passes or make defensive mistakes — Doucoure and Keane being the biggest examples nowadays, Harrison not far behind.

Point being let's not get all high and mighty that we're only denigrating players on TW. The internet is an ugly place and we're all contributing to it in part.

Use the extra money for a right winger, two midfielders and a full back.

He is not going to suddenly acquire the skills he lacks, but better the devil you know rather than the devil you don't as Everton have found out with centre-forwards. He also offers a contrast in style with Beto that facilities tactical change.

Chermiti has to show something this coming season. Hopefully he will be fully fit this coming season.

I would love to see Calvert-Lewin having a run of games for Moyes in a style that suits him. Unfortunately, this appalling incident makes it much less likely.

Social media has given them licence to spew their bile and hatred unfettered.

I stand with Dom and his family. Screw the haters.

I'm in the "offer Dominic a new deal" camp. If it's one he finds acceptable, then great. However, as Andy suggests, the more of this type of stuff goes on, the less chance he will want to stay.

As I have said before, players have a duty of care to their families and, with Dominic becoming a dad recently, he'll do his best for them and rightly so.

Unfortunately. Like every other club, we have our share of fuck-witted haters and I don't think I have known an Everton player be as targeted by haters as much as this lad.

Him and his beautiful family are better off out of it.

On the subject of giving Calvert-Lewin another contract, it's a massive No from me. He was offered a new contract and turned it down, and has changed his agent of late — is that because no other club were prepared to pay him the money we were???

How on earth do you know no other club are prepared to pay him enough to entice him?

Put up your evidence, or admit you have just made it up.

I wouldn't offer Calvert-Lewin a new contract. His form has got worse over time and I can't see him getting it back, plus injuries are setting in regularly now. I'd let him go and look at bringing in a young striker with pace and hunger.

All the best for the future, Dom.

He would do very well at Roma.

They see passion, rivalry and friendly banter and they try to mimic it in their online persona.

But they do it very badly, because it's just not authentically in them.

The right approach is typically to ignore them. But of course we also have to take a stand against certain comments and it seems like these comments were in that category.

Yes, of course it's disgusting that it goes on, most decent people will be shocked by it, while others will assume it's one or more Everton fans doing it, as many already are on here.

Instead, why don't they put some effort into actually catching, shaming and punishing the perpetrator(s)? And do this without such gratuitous publicity for them until they are convicted.

So many agendas now run through footy: 'Don't be racist, Don't be misogynist, Don't be this, Don't be that'.

Now, in my view, this country is less all of those things, in fact it's probably the least of those things of any country in the world. But now we have to put up with almost weekly lectures.

Everton put out a statement like this, it's almost like a wagging finger in the face of their fanbase: 'Completely unacceptable' … er, fuck off. Some toadstool shows himself up on Twitter, so I have to bow my head in shame?

It's part of how we are browbeaten these days, all part of the psy-op. The mature response would have been to quietly contact the police, and not add any publicity to it.

Instead, it's like them standing in front of the wall of the gents toilet saying "Oh heavens, just look what the animals have written there. Arrest them!"

And they always put out these little statements at a time of maximum excitement. They did this after the last game, they did another about Doucoure after the derby, then there was Southgate after the three black lads missed a penalty. Giving the entirely false impression that we live in a racist society. It's done for a reason.

Whether it's Everton fans or not (it could be anyone tbf), I think it's important that this sort of behaviour is called out as being completely unacceptable.

I'm sure that Calvert-Lewin and his family, at least, welcome the support from the club.

Racism is almost a daily topic of news, and for the UK in 2025, that's absurd. But this is a way to keep it in the headlines. Literally any one can write something on SM, and it can be taken up and amplified a million percent. The net effect of that is to maintain a febrile atmosphere around race in the country at large.

Ron, just cos you've worked at the Department of Pensions, you may not have been granted access to all of the state's black ops around how they stir the pot.

Any chance we had to persuade Dominic to sign a new contract has surely gone.

We can't afford expensive passengers. He is the player I really want gone. However, I have a nasty feeling he will be kept on.

I am sure Dominic will rise above all the ridiculous abuse and realise it's an extraordinarily small percentage of supporters that feel this way towards him and his family. I assume that he feels the majority of supporters have his back..

His playing ability, whether he is offered a new contract that he finds acceptable and wants to sign, and whether the supporters feel he should stay or not, is largely subjective...

On one hand, the club felt they had to make a statement, which is supportive of the player and his family. On the other, if a criminal investigation is ongoing, it is best sometimes to do that behind closed doors as they try to track the perpetrators. It won't be too difficult.

Who knows if they are even Everton supporters? They could be anyone.

It's an unfortunate fallout of Social Media. Anyone who puts themselves out there opens themselves to the creatures of society as much as they do to friends.

These trolls seem to get off on hiding behind their keyboard in a dark room hurling abuse at people they don't know.

Stereotyping and using a bit of Scouse vernacular, it's probably just shit house teenagers who would shit and piss their keks if confronted face to face. I'm not suggesting violence by the way.

On the contract, Colin. We don't know, as these things are done behind closed doors.

All we do know, is that it is reported that the club offered him a new contract last year or earlier this year. It is reported as late as last month, that the club is trying to negotiate a "suitable" contract with him. It is reported that Newcastle turned down his wage demands in January, but remain interested but have concerns over his recent injury record. It is reported that West Ham now are too.

But it is all just reported. No confirmation. No evidence. You can Google all that.

There's going to be a lot more of it over the summer and not just with Dominic. That's why I pay lip service to it all until there is something that looks and sounds like it has legs or is confirmed.

Seems you have a somewhat sheltered or very lucky life — where do you live? That's not a threat by the way! :)

I see racism every day online and in the real world.

While this country is certainly not the worst, it still has a long way to go before it can be considered a racial utopia.

And yet, some are quite happy and prepared to brush off the same crap this lad, and now his family, are getting from the same morons on social media.

He's still an Everton player and deserves our support until the day he leaves. Then we can hate him!

Slimy little rat, Anthony Gordon is a good example.

A bit of consistency, please.

Deep state? I wonder which country that idea came from?

On the other hand you could be a Russian bot planted by Moshiri to fire off misinformation and disturbing rumours on ToffeeWeb which is now known to be the infiltrated northern branch of MI6.

Racism is against the law. If people are suffering from it every day, then please do them a favour and contact the local constabulary to allow them to pursue their investigations.

He's committed the cardinal sin of not scoring a goal since January. Talk about fickle fans…

Kevin, the Covid thread was one of the most entertaining threads I've seen on TW.

It got heated to the point of serious fallouts, abuse and accusations on both sides.

It was actually going well until someone came in with a mention of Hitler and the Nazis. At that point, Lyndon and Michael closed it down, like good boxing officials stopping the fight.

Then everyone kissed and made up.

Everton release a statement condemning that.

A small minority question the validity of that simple chain of events with their own theories, opinions and agendas.

C'est La Vie

If only it was that easy! If everybody reported everything then our legal system would collapse.

It's not only visual easy to spot racism but hidden too, like in the workplace. Very similar to misogyny (so my wife tells me!) and homophobia.

Fortunately it's not against the law yet to intensely dislike those across the park!

Let's get away from this false optimism and signing players whose contracts have expired, or about to, and I know wholesale changes won't be cheap, but let's build for the future, not from the past!

I don't dislike the lad in any way shape or form but his goals to games fitness record doesn't augur well for the future. I also do not condone the personal abuse of his or anyone's family either.

Somebody writes a vile message to a footballer's wife on Social Media. Everton issue a press statement condemning all forms of racism.

A small minority question why they have blown this one exchange into national news.

I think it's merely the fact that news outlets pick it up and escalate it.

Not Everton's fault. They'd be castigated if they didn't condemn it.

This agenda is not at root coming from Everton, they will no doubt have been prompted to act in this way.

1. Proactive. Get out there first.
2. Reactive. Wait for the media to get hold of it and then respond.
3. Silence. The media have it and the question is why haven't Everton said anything?

Everton has opted for proactive. Most of the media reporting is "Everton condemn online abuse of Dominic Calvert-Lewin's wife"

Not their own take on it.

I've never understood why people post things on them sites. It's setting yourself up for morons to respond.

Social media, the worst ever invention.

Ron #14, I recommend you watch a BBC documentary called "Century of the Self" to see how people can be influenced, and are.

If he wants to stay after this latest twitterati episode…

I completely disagree, for the simple reason, how would Don's wife or Dom himself feel, if the club completely ignored the vile and abuse from supposedly Everton fans to the wife of the club's employee, you'd feel the club let you down and washed their hands of it.

Dom's 2nd game under Moyes against Spurs, he scored, was unplayable, and was MotM. He did his hamstring and only came on in the last two games, so how is he off-form?

And you can't judge him under Dyche, isolated in a backs-to-the-wall defensive lineup. He's still only 28, and well capable of returning to his form under Ancelotti, in Moyes's attacking formation.

The comments giving out why he didn't sign a contract earlier in the season — why would a striker sign up playing that system under Dyche?

Everyone should simply condemn this despicable ‘attack' (without feeling it's necessary to try to define exactly what sort of person is responsible).

No one knows whether the scumbag(s) go(es) to games or not / if they understand the game deeply or not.

We just know they are lacking some moral ingredient and that isn't something that defines Evertonians

If offenders are from here, then it's simple, a lifetime ban.

My point here is that there is more to these constant exhortations to not be racist than meets the eye. It's a form of manipulation, and societal control.

If the club want him to sign a new contract, then they have to position themselves squarely on his side.

He might be able to rise above the vitriol, but when his wife and family are the target, then that would make him have serious doubts about staying.

I really hope he stays.

"I think it's important that this sort of behaviour is called out as being completely unacceptable."

Surely almost everyone knows how unacceptable it is already, but is this really "calling it out"? What exactly does that achieve? Does publicising it in this way actually consitute 'support'? Or is it basically virtue signalling?

It is providing completely unnecessary publicity for the perpetrators to take pleasure in, along with bad publicity about the club and implicitly about its fans. I think this step is completely irresponsible of the club.

I'm sure that Calvert-Lewin and his family, at least, welcome the support from the club.

Surely that support would be much more valuable and meaningful if provided privately and discretely. Of course there is the possibility that Calvert-Lewin asked for or wanted this publicised when perhaps the club might have resisted? I guess we will never know.

A small minority question the validity of that simple chain of events with their own theories, opinions and agendas.

As you're not specific with this claim, I assume you are including my post as the first daring to question the rationale and motives for making this issue so public? Your objection is duley noted.

Colin,

Some are quite happy and prepared to brush off the same crap this lad, and now his family, are getting from the same morons on social media.

Could you please idenify which posts you're refering to? I don't seee no 'brushing off' on this thread.

You didn't reply on whether your viewpoint was the reason a number of posts on the topic were deleted last night, without any explanation?

I agree that the club is shooting itself in the foot by making a public declaration on this, pre-empting any other media. It puts all our supporters in a bad light when it is likely only a handful of idiots.

If other media had picked this up first, the club could just have issued a statement along the lines of 'We're aware of it, deplorable, supporting the player and his family, was probably Chelsea supporters, subject of a police investigation so we have no further comment at this time'.

I hope FGD can improve our media communications.

In some ways, we can all be guilty as we sometimes use our words casually, and forget the impact this might have on our players and their families.

So this is a reminder to us all, who knows where our comments will be heard or read? Social media has a life far beyond anything that existed in the past, and I for one would be happy if the certain references and words were deleted as part of the editorial process.

We don't know who they are. We don't know if they are Evertonians. It's the internet. They could be anyone from anywhere.

I'm not making assumptions until the truth outs. If it ever will.

I am on the fence here. I can see the club's point of view, but I can see what Michael is saying.

I think what he is getting at is that by drawing attention, you not only give them the attention these "cyber warriors" crave, but you can give them warning that someone is onto them and they can cover their tracks.

If we step away from the internet, and not meaning to get dramatic, but remember the poor lad who got shot in cross fire between the Croxteth and Norris Green gangs?

The Police quickly knew who it was, but had to play a patient game despite media pressure to take action. But they waited until they were certain they could nail the scumbag that committed the crime, otherwise he would have got off on a legal loophole.

I'm as outraged as anyone, but in Michael's defence, sometimes, it is best to hold your nerve and keep your powder dry.

Sorry, I'm just trying to see both sides of the debate.

It doesn't make Everton fans generally look like knobheads – it just reinforces that Everton fans can (like fans of other clubs) be knobheads if they post horrendous things on Social Media.

Would have looked really insincere if the club was forced to comment by media coverage. Then the story would have been about low standards / values etc at Everton.

I am sicked by the hate directed at Dom's wife, and I too hold out the hope that the perpetrators, when identified, will turn out not to be Everton fans. But the "impression that we live in a racist society" is anything but "false" -- there are strains of it at every level, and shining spotlights on incidents like this is the only way to overcome the all-too-easy deniability from those who never experience it.

Also, tech giants should be treated as publishers, not platforms, and be made accountable for what appears. Not being a lawyer, I don't know if that is possible.

Regarding Calvert-Lewin, I have always been a fan. Only one manager in his Everton career has used him properly, and he responded with a lot of goals. All the others played him as a winger or as a lone striker detached from his team-mates. I think it would be best for him if he moved on.

They weren't deleted; they were being parked to get them off other topic threads until we had one (ie, this thread) where they could go.

Meanwhile… the posts discussing Covid vaccine are being removed from this thread.

And well done for torpedoing the C***d stuff that regularly infects the debates on here.

Always best to stick to Everton and football. Especially when the editors are considerate enough to put up enough threads to accommodate views in the appropriate place.

It's how the Premier League Week XX threads emerged to allow non Everton discussion.

I learned the hard way from Head Master Michael years ago!!

Sorry that his missus feels he is under appreciated, and compelled to air that whilst he is paid handsomely for his services. Probs for the best for all concerned that a parting of the ways is imminent.

I have never had a FB account or insta or Tik thingy

TW is about the only social media I comment on and there are some great posters on here and some not so good.

But surely if someone is being rude you can ignore the post, not sure if you can delete. But if someone is abusive online can you just ignore

o because he's paid handsomely, does his wife and child deserve vile threats because she posted a comment? Disgusting.

Yes, my point is, you say sorry his wife feels he's under-appreciated while he's paid handsomely, no condemnation of the abuse whatsoever?

In this one exchange someone claimed to be circulating Calvert-Lewin’s home address, stated the name of the gym his wife frequents, said they knew what day she was next due to train there, claimed that her husband would not be around to ‘protect’ her as they knew he would be away from home at the weekend, threatened to run over her and their baby and then followed up by saying they would slit the infants throat unless her husband ‘gets out of our club’.

It would be remiss of anyone to just ignore that, let alone a relatively new parent. Yes, the likelihood is it’s probably just some odious lashed up gobshite giving it loads in between licking pickled onion Monster Munch and feeling proper outraged that Moomin Mama doesn’t even have an Only Fans after spending 6 hours eagerly looking, but there’s always the outside chance, however slim, that the threat could be real and you’ve been contacted by an extreme mentalist of truly sinister intent.

Nah, that’s pathetic, Danny.

The likelihood is that they do indeed call themselves Evertonians. Do you honestly think Dominic Calvert-Lewin, a quietly spoken, non-offensive, almost permanently injured Premier League striker who has reached double figures twice in nearly a decade and is soon to be out of the door, or his missus praising said limited goal tally, registers with anyone else, let alone to the extent that it irrationally irks them enough to reveal themselves as an illiterate, venomous, froth-mouthed tit who threatens to turn up at their house and go all King Herod on an innocent tyke?

Were you as intent on avoiding making assumptions about the affiliation of culprits when it was Tarkowski’s wife speaking out about her husband ridiculously receiving death threats from fuming hoopleheads following his tackle in the derby?

She was roundly praised for speaking out on her husbands behalf, no one on here had an issue then with the club releasing a statement condemning this abuse towards a player and his family, and they were quick to pan the other lot for not having followed suit. Similarly, it wasn’t an issue when Doucoure received racist abuse following his sending off and the club released a statement to slam it.

Obviously people have had a downer on Dominic Calvert-Lewin for a while now, but why such disparity? Simply because Doucoure, Tarkowski and his missus are more well liked, that they’ve not spent more time on the treatment table than the pitch, or maybe just that it’s much easier to take when you don’t have to look inward toward your own?

Vile behaviour is vile behaviour and the club are right to take the stance that it is never acceptable under any circumstance and to come out and state as such, irrespective of where it is thought said abuse stemmed from.

There are a minority of idiotic disgusting scumbags in amongst every group of supporters. We definitely have our fair share. The fact someone might be wearing blue, or sat in relatively close promixity to you during a game doesn’t automatically bar them from being an utterly repugnant prick.

There has been an undercurrent of anger and resentment festering away amongst some of our fan base for a while now…perhaps with good reason…but in the last few years it has been threatening to bubble over and on occasion has gone too far. Players being chased down the street, barracked at a train station, seeing their family members targeted online. These are the people painting all Evertonians in a bad light, not the club for publicly condemning any who partake in such ludicrous behaviour.

What don't you get about that?

Pointing out "factual inaccuracy and misplaced self pity" as opposed to "excellent posts... that provide the moral guidance ".

I'd come down in favour of the latter to be honest, Josh.

"Top 3 ever" is a far cry from top 3 since 1992, during which time Everton have been mostly a poor team.

Goodison Park had 100 years of rich history before that and I'm not going to disrespect Dean, Latchford, Young, Sharp, Royle, Vernon, Hickson and others by airbrushing from history their genuine goalscoring achievements to big up Calvert-Lewin's mediocre return; he's only a few above Leon Osman, for fuck's sake!

Sorry if this seems pedantic to you, but I bet your chest is out when you're giving it "and if ya know yer history".

I did both though so no pitchforks needed just because I didn't restate what is obvious to all but the dim witted. Isn't it possible to broaden the discussion a little?

Who you calling dim witted?

Fair point but there's a time and a place and for me this was neither the time nor the place.

But I also accept the point that you would probably make in response...well when is?

Me... I'd tend to follow the club's lead on this one.

You were happy with a thread on the appalling racist abuse that was levelled at Doucoure after the Derby but a public statement on Dominic’s wife who was informed that the Everton fan/s who “threatened to run over her and their baby and then followed up by saying they would slit the infants throat unless her husband ‘gets out of our club’”, is said to be ill-judged publicity. That is worrying inconsistency. One rule for one; one rule for another. Was it because the online assholes were likely rednose for the most part that the Doucoure thread was sound and custy?

MK (66): “Could you please identify which posts you're referring to? I don't see no 'brushing off”.

I’m unsure what is meant by “brushing off” here. I assume that it means deleting comments/posts or dismissing them summarily. Well, if we follow number sequencing, 19 posts have been deleted on this thread: 22-23, 29, 42, 45, 54-58, 62-65, 67, 69, 72, and 78-79. That is around 20% of all the posts submitted to this thread. 20% of the submitted posts on here were “brushed off” and we do not know why.

In addition, yesterday MK you deleted multiple posts drawing attention to the vile racist and misogynistic abuse and threats aimed at DCL’s wife. Posts on that thread that were highly critical of you and your actions were deleted and not moved to this thread: i.e. “brushed off”. Also, it was Anjishnu who started this thread the day after MK. not you. But you had plenty of time yesterday when the time was absolutely right to shift things into a new thread that you could have called, for example, “Everton condemn racist abuse directed towards Dominic Calvert-Lewin’s wife”. New threads have been created from existing ones in a matter of hours and often less on other topics. The position that you have taken on this suggests that you do not agree with the club for “condemn[ing publicly] racist abuse directed towards Dominic Calvert-Lewin’s wife”.

“Virtue signalling”. Come on Michael.

Danny (35): (75): you know the deep respect that I have for you but you have not, in my opinion, been anywhere near your usual and customary qualities and standards on this thread. (35): “Has anyone brushed it off, Colin?” Yes Danny, they have either in their comments or actions. (75) “Sorry, I'm just trying to see both sides of the debate”. And then what, Danny, you sit on a middle fence and don’t express yourself? The danger there is that it allows for seeing good people on both sides. I agree with John (93) on your “we don’t know if there Evertonian” stance, but I would never call you “pathetic”.

And then we have Kevin Molloy (20): (24): (39): (59): who proudly and helpfully reminds us in his first sentence on this thread that “I don't need much encouragement to head into conspiratorial waters, but I think football is being co-opted by the State to use it as a tool against ordinary people (20)”. Good start. Ought to be sensible stuff to follow. Measured. Balanced. Well-reasoned, I’m sure, with a strong ballast of convincing evidential support. Looking forward to this.

“And they always put out these little statements [“little statements” FFS] at a time of maximum excitement. They did this after the last game, they did another about Doucoure after the derby, then there was Southgate after the three black lads missed a penalty. Giving the entirely false impression that we live in a racist society.(20)”.

Who are “they” Kevin? So, when the club publicly condemned the vile racial abuse and death threats that were aimed at Sandra Calvert Lewin they join a lineage now of attempts to create the “false impression that we live in a racist society” – “It's done for a reason (20)”. There’s more: “The net effect of that is to maintain a febrile atmosphere around race in the country at large (24)”. EFC would like to sign up with everyone else – the shadowy “They” – who want to keep race issues at fever-pitch across the country. EFC along with “They” use this case of vile racist abuse to create the “false impression that we live in a racist society”. As Kevin succinctly explains: “my point here [is that] it's a form of manipulation, and societal control” (59).

You have to feel sorry for poor old Kevin. He has to put up with “weekly lectures” and wagging fingers (20). Our Kev is, alas, “browbeaten these days” (20). Dear Lord, our Kev is bombarded by the “daily topic of news” that this England is a racist land and that ladies and gentlemen is “absurd” (24). Our “sceptered isle” and “demi-paradise” is “probably the least [racist] of any country in the world”. God save the King! Poor old Kev! He has to long suffer through “constant exhortations to not be racist” (20) That’s better than “constant exhortations to … be racist”, right Kev, Kev? “So many agendas now run through footy: 'Don't be racist, Don't be misogynist” (20). It’s fucking awful isn’t it Kev. It’s flat wrong.

Breaking news Kevin. England is deeply divided along race/ethnicity lines and many others. England, Kevin, has deep racist issues that need to be addressed but perhaps that is silly publicity. England, Kevin, is not the “least” racist country in the world. That is, in your word, “absurd”. Who’s compiling the league table? Of course Kevin you’ll try to manipulate the porous line between racist country and country with deep racist tendencies. But you know what Kevin, they are more or less the same thing.

Your first words gave the game away Kevin: “I don't need much encouragement to head into conspiratorial waters”. That’s one thing you got right Kevin. Otherwise, your collective posts are deluded, dangerously false, based on cranky conspiratorial theories with zilch concrete support like “football is being co-opted by the State” (20) (Jesus wept!), and revealing of a troubled mind struggling to make sense of a whirligig world where you do not feel comfy. Also, Kevin, your posts are dangerously likely to give a skip in the step to racists. You see Kevin, what you write is exactly what they – “they” = racists – want to read. It’s their fuel. We’re “browbeaten these days” (20).

Its “Completely unacceptable”, Kevin rages, “er, fuck off. Some toadstool shows himself up on Twitter, so I have to bow my head in shame?” (20). No one asked you to Kevin. Or, if “they” did, who are “they”. This is how you on your frequency chose to interpret the proper and appropriate actions taken by our club; a friendly word, read Robert Tressell (76).

Come back to the real-world Kevin. A world where racism and misogyny are deep-seated societal issues, where good people in their thousands work hard each day with pragmatic ideas and plans to make things better. We don’t need you Kevin. But it would be nice if you got rid of your conspiratorial armour and stopped tilting at windmills. Come and join us. Shit, who are “us”.

The best place to end might be with Roger (80): “I think anonymity [on social media] should be banned, if you have an opinion, have the cojones to stand by it”.

Apologies I was not aware of the nature of the threats and thanks for putting me straight.

Yes, I agree that it would be difficult to ignore those comments. I hope the troll sticks to licking Monster Munch.

Firstly, I'm not pathetic and I would never call another poster by that label.

Secondly, I have condemned the disgusting behaviour of whoever has done this.

Thirdly, I have stated that I think the club has done the correct think.

Fourthly, I don't think anyone has brushed this off.

My only points, and it is based on experience in my profession (cyber security), was twofold, and for the benefit of things getting lost in a thread, I'll repeat:

1. We don't know who they are let alone if the are Evertonians. If someone has evidence, then provide it. If it turns out they are, then the club can take action on top of what the police do.

2. It can sometimes be better to keep your powder dry as the investigators try to track them, which can be easily done if there is the will and resource.

So, pathetic? No? Brushing it off? No.

And for the record, I did list 3 potential courses of action, as you always consider in any plan. Proactive, reactive or stay quiet. The club did the right thing by being proactive and supportive of the player and his family.

Yes they have Danny. I assumed that you were talking about this thread. I'm ashamed of the length of my post - 102 - that you might not have read, but in it I believe that I provide a pretty firm rebuttal to MK (66): “I don't see no 'brushing off”.

I completely endorse and agree with your firstly, secondly, and thirdly Danny, but your thirdly is at odds with your professional guidance 1 and 2. Your fourthly is just wrong.

Like you in 104 Danny, John is reacting to an extremely emotional and sensitive set of issues. The only thing he got wrong in my opinion in those two thoughtful and excellent posts was to call you 'pathetic'. Although, Danny, JD might have called your opinion 'pathetic' not you, and you don't need me FFS to say that they are two very different things.

Your last paragraph is spot on Danny.

We all value you on here.

Claims that this vile behavior may not be the actions of Evertonian(s) may not be as ridiculous as the kopite claims that it was not their supporters who ran riot at Heysel, but they are so embarrassingly wishy washy.

Josh Horne

In case you didn't notice, Calvert-Lewin did not play in the old First Bivision. That was before he and his Mrs were even born. Many of today's youngsters only recognise the Premier League because thats all they know.

This club has spent hundreds of millions trying to buy goals in the Premier League era. Calvert-Lewin cost a tiny fraction of that and, despite your almost gymnastic pedantry, he is our third highest Premier League scorer at the old lady

Mrs Calvert-Lewin should be supported during this distressing period, not pulled up for the historical accuracy of her statement.

Well done you though.... And Wiki!

I'm not dismissing it could be, just saying we don't yet know. Believe me, these types of investigations, like any, will involve legal bodies and as with anything, the principle of innocent until proven guilty applies. That's all I'm saying.

Back to football. I agree with you Colin, that there is a generation, fuelled by the media hype, that football was born in 1992.

And also, yes, it is important that the club, including the supporters, support the player and his family, which is what they are doing.

I'll be glad when Michael puts up the pre-match Newcastle thread. I'm doing my exercise and stretches to get up those 197 steps.

I don't have evidence that all those people inside Anfield who booed TAA are kopites, but I know they are.

Sometimes only a modicum of common sense is required... Even or those in cyber security.

I always read everything.

I haven't taken offence from anyone. I never do. We all come from tough enough stock to shrug off the odd jibe or difference of opinion.

But I will always try to explain myself and add context to my thinking.

The collective on here may not always see eye-to-eye, but if you read between the lines, we are broadly in agreement on the subject.

A leader I know once described the organisation, all with the same aims, a loose federation of warring tribes.

That could apply to TW!!

I see this type of behaviour almost daily. You can track them, but have to be cautious. Totally off track, but look how long Marks & Spencers has been dealing with the attack they came under and only this morning, they've had to take their website down.

Believe me, it's a murky world out there. Internet bullies everywhere who throw out disturbing threats. Unfortunately, the advent of social media provides these cowards with a platform to express their vile abuse, mostly in the knowledge they are safe from their crimes. And that's what it is; a crime.

Colin, we're actually all agreeing here, as always, just expressing it slightly differently.

Paul, the match day comment was meant to be lighthearted. This thread can continue. I'm looking forward to Sunday, but I'll leave that to the match day thread.

I thought her original post was ill-advised. This isn't the first time that stuff has been put in the press looking to pick fault of Everton fans by the family. Moaning about not having a song, not being respected on the pitch, making an issue over a minority booing when he came off injured against Villa when no one really knew why etc etc.

If you are prepared to speak out against it, don't be surprised if some double down on it.

The guy has earned a fortune with us, and hasn't performed for a very long time. If he wants fans on side, do the business and put the effort in.

If you can't do that, keep your head down. If you want to concentrate on fashion over scoring on the pitch when the club is bang in trouble, don't think that a working class fan base ain't going to be too happy when youre on £5-6M a year over the last 4 years.

The comments were despicable, but don't attagonise it either.

Out of curiosity, could they tell you what a woman is in your neck of the woods? I'll bet they can't, can they.

Nah, that's pathetic, Danny.

Not pathetic at all IMHO, merely stating an indisputable fact.

There was a similar incident quite recently, forgive my poor memory for not providing details, where the perpetrator was somebody from another continent with not even a tenuous link to the victim of the abuse.

I have to admit I haven't seen the messages and won't seek to see them. Maybe some are from people who would call themselves Evertonians but – as Danny rightly said – "we don't know that yet."

We all know it was wrong and we're all disgusted by it and agree that the perpetrators deserve punishment.

Shit, too involved Danny… off to zzzzz mate.

If not, are you back in Liverpool anytime soon? Give me a call or PM if you are. We are looking to put something on.

My details are on here, but I can provide if you haven't picked them up.

'Come back to the real world'. haha., Paul. Where you live, no doubt. Out of curiosity, could they tell you what a woman is in your neck of the woods? I'll bet they can't can they.

Seriously, Kevin, is that all you have got after I took you apart piece by piece and demolished you?

Seriously? – That's it? How about you try to answer some substantial points lad?

Out of curiosity, could they tell you what a woman is in your neck of the woods? I'll bet they can't can they?

That is how fucking low you stoop. That's your reasoned and intelligent response to a post that crushes you and your erm views. That's all you have. Homophobic with dodgy race/ethnic views who thinks England is the least racist country in the world.

You're a coward who will not confront the principal principled issues or is not intelligent enough to do so.

Can you tell me what Calvert-Lewin”s wife said wrong? Why should she be vilified for stating the facts about her husband's scoring at Goodison?

And this crap about him getting well paid, what's that got to do with anything?

And also you say he hasn't played well for a long time — I totally disagree. Was it not down to Dyche's defensive tactics?

If Haaland played upfront with us in that formation, do you think he'd do any better? No.

I'm disgusted that some of the comments on here blaming Dom and his wife, and not even mentioning the vile scumbags.

You may be right in saying it is not proven to be an Evertonian who has made these alleged comments but in all fairness, who do you think outside of our four walls gives a flying fuck about Calvert-Lewin or his wife? This is very likely to have come from some cretin calling himself an Everton fan who deserves whatever Karma comes to him.

Anyway – Mrs Calvert Lewin's comments were somewhat immodest and seem to come from someone unaware that football actually existed before 1992. We know what she meant but they were not deserving of the vitriol which supposedly been spewed by someone.

I haven't seen the original comment I wrote so I'd say the word ‘delete' is more appropriate.

As for being immodest, I don't think that's all bad when it's about your spouse, not yourself!

Never apologise. There is no need unless it gets out of order or borders on personal abuse. I haven't been personally offended on here.

You should hear me and my family arguing about the one thing we agree on!!

In this day and age of online access and the fact the occasion was given global coverage, that's my point on who knows which vile creatures took it upon themselves to hurl abuse from the safety of their keyboard.

Playground bully springs to mind. And our mothers always told us how to stand up to bullies. Bully is a cover word for coward.

If the words "gets out of our club" don't give you the evidence you require, I'm afraid you are not applying the required amount of common sense.

Ian @113,

Are you familiar with the term "victim blaming"?

On the balance of probability, it was going to get unwelcomed comments. It delivered.

They can't be surprised.

I appreciate that is maybe just a phrase you used.

Get out of our club is something I heard in various stadiums during the ill-fated Benitez appointment and on Goodison Road as hundreds marched in the dying throes of the Kenwright regime, so yes, I'm familiar with that. But I couldn't name individuals or know who they were.

I'll reiterate, we are all in close agreement on this.

Whether it gets followed up is anybody's guess. The club has made a statement, we all agree it is unacceptable behaviour, Merseyside Police are involved.

In my opinion, it will depend on the latter deciding whether it is worth the resource and effort to prioritise it and pursue depending on the severity and risk.

Otherwise, despite our collective agreement on unacceptable social behaviour, it could well fall into the files. But I am confident the club will support the family, should it occur.

And I hope efforts are being taken to block and remove the accounts of those who decided to be "brave". To repeat, shit houses.

Colin, we are actually agreeing.

What I will say in response is this is what happens on unregulated social media.

Does anyone expect trent, Michael Keane and Doucoure to only get positive messages on any social media posts?

Or are they going to get post saying they're mercenaries/money grabbers, or Keane that he's a donkey and good riddance?

I am sad what was posted. But knowing these things happen, I question why high profile people do it. For me, it's just not worth the hassle.

Maybe there are some people at the club, who like me, remember the time when Alex Williams ran towards the Street End and was met with a huge burning cross. Or the time when our racist reputation was such that we saw Paul Parker say on camera he'd never join Everton because we were 'racist'. Or the 'Everton are white' chants.

I'd say the club is protecting its reputation here. And I applaud them for doing so.

Firstly, I think they do it because they have a piss weak argument and want to recreate another one which suits theirs.

Secondly, I wonder if they think everyone else is stupid and can't scroll back to check what was actually said.

My posts are still up there. Where do I claim I know the names of the people who said these things?

Probably the best post on this thread.

"Everton are white". Bananas thrown at John Barnes. It's always existed, it's just available at scale now due to the internet and social media.

Last one from me on this, as, like you say, we could go on all day.

Colin, if I've offended you by actually agreeing with you and others, then I apologise.

Looking back at your posts, your first comment on this is now on this thread at #3; a comment you made on the Doucoure thread is still there (#50); I should probably have removed it as it was not relevant to that thread.

As an aside, if you come across something that is off-topic, like that, it is far better to submit a Talking Point and we can give it the necessary prominence.

You are not agreeing with me. You are repeatedly claiming I said something I didn't say.

I'll try one more time: Where do I say I know who these people are?

In this one exchange someone claimed to be circulating Calvert-Lewin's home address, stated the name of the gym his wife frequents, said they knew what day she was next due to train there, claimed that her husband would not be around to ‘protect' her as they knew he would be away from home at the weekend, threatened to run over her and their baby and then followed up by saying they would slit the infants throat unless her husband ‘gets out of our club'.

Just to be clear, are you saying this is the gist of the message Calvert-Lewin received? If so, could you please share the source with us?

Maybe just a phrase taken out of context, so I apologise.

We agree on the sentiment of this subject and I agree with a lot of what you've said. We are saying similar things in a different way.

As for cowardice, guilty as charged. I ain't wading through all that slop you've put up in order to find discernible points to reply to. I can summarise my position: the city and country I grew up in was not particularly racist, but there were times when it did raise its ugly head.

That world though is a million miles from the UK of 2025. And I know that these constant lectures from our dear leaders, 'Don't be this, Don't be that' are not cos they care. It really isn't.

We are heading slowly or not so slowly towards totalitarianism. You can't see it currently. That's sad, but. not entirely surprising.

I never called you pathetic…as a person, poster or supporter….but rather your (seemingly eager) readiness, on this one particular issue, to slide straight into scepticism and offer up the suggestion that the culprits (one of whom has ‘Everton' in their account name and a plethora of posts about Everton) may not have been Evertonians at all.

“We don't know who they are. We don't know if they are Evertonians. It's the internet. They could be anyone from anywhere. I'm not making assumptions until the truth outs”…..doubling down on the dubiety already expressed in your earlier post in which you stated, “Who knows if they are even Everton supporters? They could be anyone”.

As I'd already raised the question why the disparity between the reaction to the club's similar response to the threats targeting Calvert-Lewin's wife and those made recently to Tarkowski…and whether you were as eager to ‘avoid assumptions' in the ‘easier' instance, when the allegiance of the abusers was thought to belong to a rival club…I took a quick look at the Tarkowski thread (“Everton issues statement of support towards James Tarkowski following death threats and social media abuse” : Link). Now, I admit that may suggest a large serving of sad bastard syndrome/pedantry on my part but it was more that I just wanted to ensure I wasn't barking up the wrong tree here (‘honest guvnor, swear down').

Your rather succinct post on that particular thread reads simply: “Same city. Different breed.”

Chefs kiss.

No messing, jumping through hoops or saying “whoa hang on a minute, let's not be hasty, how do we know for sure they were really red shite?”

So, that's….

* Everton player and family receive abuse and death threats online

* Club issue a statement of strong condemnation

* Perpetrators appear to be Liverpool fans

“Same city. Different breed”

* Everton player and family receives abuse and death threats online

* Club issue a statement of strong condemnation

* Perpetrators appear to be Everton fans

“Who knows if they are even Everton supporters. They could be anyone.”

Dirty Harry in the one instance, Colombo the other….and it was the ditherer in the shite encrusted raincoat they reckoned was one-eyed.

The best place to end might be with Roger (80): “I think anonymity [on social media] should be banned, if you have an opinion, have the cojones to stand by it”.

I assume this means Paul 'Ferry' will be posting here under his real name from now on?

Read that post (110) again. See if you can grasp it without sneakily editing it to suit your argument. Let it stand without inserting the word "WHO" into the sentence.

Try to grasp what it actually says and means before you respond.

John D

OK. So just because this person has Everton in their account name and constantly posts about Everton... How do we know they are REALLY an Evertonian ???

I mean. How do we know they dont support Bristol City ?

I didn't take it personally, more in context. If you meant it personally, which you say you didn't then it wouldn't bother me. I've big enough shoulders and thick skin to shrug it off. Sticks and stones as they say.

On the subject of our cousins, we do come from the same city. But we are different. I experience that on a daily basis when talking to family and friends from the homeland and on my regular visits home.

Who suggested they could have been Kopites? I must have missed that one.

They could be anyone. Until they are identified, we don't know and are working off assumptions and opinions. I haven't suggested who they are or their affiliation.

As for Tarkowski, yes that was equally as unsavoury and where do you get the assumption I tried to deflect it to supporters of another club? Please quote me.

I hope they can identify who it is. I don't care who they are or who they associate with. It is disgraceful behaviour from one human being to another.

I was sent screenshots (can email them if you like), but some of them were also posted on Grand Old Team…like this one…fifth post on the page (Link) and published in the Daily Mail (Linkl).

Link

You said you know who they are.

I've already said that it was probably a phrase rather than fact.

I'm not "sneakily" using it to fit a non-argument, because we all agree on the fundamentals of the issue. That some disturbed character has conveyed unacceptable social behaviour and abuse to another human being.

I haven't said it's not Evertonians. All I have said is that we don't know, which we don't.

If it turns out they are blues, then I will be as outraged as anyone. I was always brought up with the philosophy that you don't shit on your own doorstep.

And your argument is idiotic. People can read my post (110) and read how you sneakily edit it in post 135.

The difference is stark enough.

You are embarrassing yourself now.

In the interest of taking your shovel away, I think you mis-read Colin's post. He said about whether the fans at Anfield booing TAA were fans or not, he knew that they were - because why would several thousand master-baiters get tickets for that game just to boo a player?

Incidentally, I received an audio clip of the booing as featured on the 606 5Live phone in. Clearly it was not a few dozen "non-representative" fans. The commentator (Ian Dennis I think) referenced it. Which meant the game was probably also being broadcast on the World Service.

Although I am not a regular match goer these days, I recall from a young age we always had our share of "miscreants". From those actively seeking hooligan encounters (fortunately seems to have been eradicated in the top flight); to the away coaches regularly de-stocking shops at service stations to the point where a lot simply banned coaches; etc.

I read on lots of social media accounts thoughts of people who are clearly Evertonians, but I couldn't disagree more. Some express themselves cogently, others somewhat less articulately.

I agree with the poster who suggested requiring some form of ID verification to use Social Media, however it will never happen. Vested interests aside (it would probably put our trade framework with the USA in breach), unilateralism doesn't work - and I can almost guarantee no other country would do it.

Social media is rampantly used in criminality. Everything from people trafficking, to good old fraud, and drug dealing. But this construct of "Free Speech" has to be protected... Except it seems to cost an awful lot for something that is "free".

I haven't been on T/W since I posted yesterday morning, and I see you say I was speculating about other clubs not wanting to pay him what he thought he was worth.

As Danny pointed out, it was reported by most outlets that Newcastle weren't prepared to meet his wage demands.

Now you can say none of the journalists who printed it actually know, but with it being reported by so many, I think we can take it that it was pretty near the truth.

Also, they didn't have to pay Everton a penny and still weren't prepared to pay him what he was asking.

Is it okay to physically threaten a woman and her baby on social media?

No.

Are there ever mitigating factors because of the husband's occupation?

No.

So let's try to stop rationalising away the indefensible or saying it is not a matter for the police or the club.

We've spent 152 posts saying what you have said in 56 words.

I read one report from the dodgiest of sources saying Newcastle were not prepared to pay Calvert-Lewin what he is asking, but I read numerous in the last window saying Everton were not prepared to let him go for what Newcastle were prepared to pay.

Here's the fact. You don't know, Neither do the journos who are paid to feed you this shite. Just as you (or they) don't know what offers any player coming to the end of his contract has on the table.

You chose to use a serious subject like his wife being abused on social media to have another ill-informed dig at a player you have never liked.

For all I know he may well be money driven and possibly mulling over, or seeking offers from Saudi.

The only difference between you and me on this subject is that I am happy to admit that I don't have a scooby what is going on. You on the other hand are speculating in order to portray a player you don't like in a bad light.

The issue is that: 1) context is sometimes misunderstood in the written word; 2) There are posters who try to deviate the discussion to suit their own bizarre world view.

Once again, the reaction to the problem is not the problem. The problem is the problem.

Cowards behind the mask of social media.

I appreciate where you're coming from regarding off topic, not that it matters now, but my comment you put in at “3”, was actually my 2nd comment, my first comment was more elaborate and I was totally appalled by the vile and disgusting behaviour against Calvert-Lewin's family, but thanks for the reply.

Hope they find the bastard and, if it is an Evertonian, ban him or her for life.

Whether you're a fan of his or not, everyone should be condemning how an Everton player and his family should be attacked in this way, not try making excuses.

So this should be totally a police matter. And I also read that "Most research suggests that most abusive accounts are not anonymous or untraceable."

So let's hear what progress is being made to identify, find, arrest, charge, try, sentence, and punish those responsible.

Hope his wife gets the help and reassurance he needs.