Mourinho won't replace Dyche as attention returns to Moyes

The BBC are reporting that Mourhino doesn't want a club in the relegation battle, similar to what Moyes has said. So maybe TFG, having failed to get Potter, may be forced to leave Dyche in charge for a little longer.

Problem with that scenario is, if we fall into the bottom 3, then the candidates you could attract diminishes dramatically. But there is always someone who will come for the money, knowing no matter what they will get a handsome pay- off.

Just seen Fonseca’s name now in the mix… I'd take him above all the other lot!

We need an attack-minded manager or face being left behind, other teams are already improving while we’re still playing walking football.

He is grumpy and outdated. 15 years ago, yes, I would take him, no question. Now, no.
But then, he would do better than the one we have now.
I would go for Kjetil Knutsen, of Bodø Glimt. The best coach in Norway. Better than Ole Gunnar Solskjær.

Rob Edwards has left Luton Town.

Don't anyone dare say we should get him!

Rob, only if he gets Everton. 😆

Gaute#2

Better than Ole Gunnar Solskjær?????

Mate, that's like saying (if you were comparing dictators) better than Joseph Stalin.

Not much of an endorsement! :-))

Funny isn’t it,not long ago some TW contributors were saying that not even the most successful managers in the game like Guardiola etc could do much with a squad as poor as ours.
So is Mourinho really likely to come in and be or saviour?
I don’t think so.Seems more like transfer window bullshit to me.

Brian I have seen Bodo play a couple of times: they are very well organised and play as a team. At Old Trafford a week before Evertons annual capitulation they gave it a really good go and deserved at least a draw. All the more impressive as they have to sell best players each year. Despite scarce resources they have won their league 4 years out of last 5. Worth a punt

Mourihno mentioned in an interview recently that he fancied a crack at a club that wasn't an automatic CL club. I may be mis-remembering, but sure he mentioned a "fallen giant". At the time I thought that description was a fit for us (not saying he would be). But Brian #1 cites the BBC with further info that would rule him out.

Out of interest, not withstanding his many achievements in the game, I'd love to see a breakdown of Mourihno's earnings:
- Salary and bonus paid
- Severance

I'm sure the percentage split would be quite eye opening.

Moyes, Southgate, Mourinho… no no no! I'm sure it's all paper talk.

I hope our owners are being advised by someone who knows the game extremely well, otherwise we are going to wind up like we did with Moshiri, ie, firing managers left, right and centre.

Don't think for second Mourinho will come to us. But the snobbery about him makes me smile.

One of the most successful managers in history but not quite good enough for the mighty blue winning machine. "Yeah – 15 years ago", I hear everyone shout.

Except for 21-22 winning a European competition and 22-23 getting to a final with the mighty winning machine that is Roma.

Here we go again, talking silly names…

Pay whatever and get Frank from Brentford, a proper manager for the future.

Tony why would Frank come to us, and guess what we can’t pay what it takes, as PSR I believe will rule what we can and can’t pay!!!!

Whatever we think of Mourinho, he would very much raise our profile and be able to attract better players than Dyche.

He would also create a siege mentality, us vs the world which I think many Evertonians would enjoy.

I'm into it, but I'm one of the few people whose always kind of liked Mourinho because I like a stubborn bastard, and have always felt an affinity to contrary types.

Remember, everyone said Don Carlo would never come to Everton...

James

Mourinho in my opinion would be here 6 months before doing a Carlo and realizing his mistake coming here.

As much as it's easy to be seduced by the name, I don't think the football would be much different and I think he'd create factions when things weren't going his way.

You reckon, Jim? I mean it's entirely possible of course, but looking at his CV every club he's been at has been for 2 or 3 years which is pretty much par for the course these days (bar Pep, Klopp & co).

He'd surely know he was joining the circus before he joined, and thus would be primed for the bullshit. Although he has worked under Friedkin so potentially knows what he's getting into to some degree.

You could argue Mourinho has more knowledge than we do about how the Friedkin lot run a club.

It is all guess work. TFG will be keeping a tight lid on the news until they are ready to officially announce it. I hope that will be soon.

Brian # 6,

I named OGS because I know you know that name.
Kjetil Knutsen has done miracles with Bodø Glimt. Truly. He did beat Mourinhos Roma 6-1.. With a very small budget of 12 million pounds.
I dis not quite get the comparison with Stalin, but it made me laugh a bit.
COYB!!

Would like someone like Fonseca. Not sure about Mourinho but it seems it will be David Moyes on a short term contract. Whoever comes in, this window will be crucial. Our squad is below average with very limited players and injuries. We need to buy the right players keeping in mind the manager and his tactics. No square pegs in round holes

Would be made up with Moyes coming back tbh.

He helped rebuild us when we were in the doldrums last time and oversaw the most successful period for our club (with zero cash) since the PL started with the club in the top 5-8 for 9 seasons including a couple of European excursions and a 4th place.

Since Moyes left we've had 8 managers and have mainly spent a ton of money (a chunk of it on those manger's contract pay-outs) to go progressively backwards. Martinez secured one 5th place on Moyes' foundations, then we had 5 seasons hovering around mid-table, before the last 4 seasons of relegation battles.

Meanwhile the Moyesiah secured a couple of European finishes for West Ham (6 and 7th) and their first silverware for 42 years. Obviously there are better managers in the world, but Moyes is a great fit for what we need now, and the players/resources we have.

I agree, Chris. I think he's a manager who is up to rebuilding a squad. He has strong views on culture and footballing identity.

But I don't know who else is out there with a similar skillset. I'm hoping some people in our club do - that's their job.

People quite rightly hated Benitez, because he managed those horrible bastards across the park and he called us a small club, which is exactly what we became under Moyes and Kenwright, imo.

Moyes left Everton for United, clapped out of Goodison, it wasn’t long before he was disrespecting Everton, in a lot more of a shameful manner than Benitez ever did again imo.

Moyes has been described as a safe pair of hands, and a nice warm blanket, but aren’t we supposed to be moving away from the worst era in our entire history, the era when Everton stopped being Everton, and morphed into a club like Coventry City?

Inevitable and who is the next manager and will it be short or long term, remains to be seen.

But a statement of intent by TFG , but for me, Moyes was very disrespectful to Everton when comparing Utd to Everton and trying to.get Baines to join him.

So Frank, Fonseca, lets see...but glad to see a new era start for Everton.
UTFTs!

I’m fed up with the media telling us that we were lucky to have Dyche, like they told us we were lucky to have Benitez and Allardyce before. I haven’t seen anyone else in the EPL falling over each to sign them since and I don’t think it will be any different with the Ginger Whinger either. Personally I want to see a break from the past and we still have half a season for the team to put this last odious episode behind us all. I’m not going to choose names, just someone that can give us a little hope for once.

If Dyche really did say that he had taken the club as far as he could, then TFG had little alternative but to dismiss him and begin looking for a replacement. It looks as if they wanted to continue with Dyche and were probably never in the frame for Potter, which is worrisome as that means there hasn't been any succession planning and that's probably why we'll end up with David Moyes again.

Back to the Future part 9, like all sequels will likely be full of the same cliche's, the same plot lines, similar characters, but hopefully for this season not a weak or disappointing ending.

half-a-season to save our club from the ignominy of relegation, it's a tough job, but if Dyche's head and heart weren't in it, whomever gets the gig must surely have a better chance of saving us?

If it's Moyes, I am not following them until he has gone.

He isn't just defeatist and boring.

He is an actual arse hole.

Gaute Lie #3 Knutsen er kopshit. He will never sign for Everton. BGFE!

And I am glad the biggest sack of shit won't come. He is the dirtiest scumbag ever acting in the sport.

The only reason Roma won the Conference League is because Scumbag sent his goalkeeping coach to attack Knutsen of Bodø/Glimt, and both were banned from the next game, only then was scumbag be able to win a game against BG. But BG gave him at least his heaviest defeat ever as a manager.

Moyes would be good in the short term ( until the end of the season) as he would get the best out of the players we have now and his teams are always well organised and difficult to beat, but with more of a creative formation than Dyche used.
The problem is that the football is very rarely exciting and can be a bit tedious especially if we go ahead early in the game.
My feeling is he would want a 2.5 year contract which is a long time watching his brand of football.
Let's hope he is willing to take the shorter deal.

My view on Moyes, while the way he conducted himself after he left for Manure left a bitter taste, the last 3/4 season with us we did actually play some decent football.

He also has an eye for picking up players from lower leagues home and abroad and polishing them into good players with good sell-on value, which was his remit; he did this perfectly, and he did this at West Ham too.

We need to get that stability and competitiveness again while not breaking the bank, I can think of no one better.

Posted on the wrong thread. Moyes apparently to be named as manager today.

Utterly disillusioned beyond belief.

I’m looking out of the train window admiring our gleaming new stadium which looks amazing this sunny morning.

The idea of Moyes leading an Everton team out there makes me feel nauseous and it’s a travesty that’s is even being considered. I would grant you that he is marginally more flexible than Dyche, but it feels like you are being offered skimmed UHT milk after being on a diet of sterilised milk, both are unpalatable!

I’m after a full fat Everton manager, I don’t mean Rafa!!!

I can't believe there are all these shouts for Allardyce. He's yesterday's man, and even then at his peak, it weren't that great.

Tony @22,

Totally agree, people longing for the days of managing and lowering expectations again as if 11 years wasn't bad enough.

If he is appointed it will reflect poorly on the new owners and show their intent for the club.

Ed, Moyes is even worse than that.

He has expired and is sour and nauseating.

Whoever gets appointed won't be as bad as Sam or Benitez.

I do wonder whether TW had a role (albeit small) in Dyche's sacking. The owners must have checked fan sites to take the temperature of supporters. As a collective we weren't for the most part that positively disposed towards SD at the end.

May sound dramatic but if Moyes comes back, I think I’m going to take another break from football all together. Similar to when Alladyce was appointed I stopped being interested and just tuned out. When Alladyce finally went I came back but not quite as interested as before as you discover there’s a million other things out there besides football.

11 years of managing down expectations, knives to gunfights and KITAP1 - life’s just too short to waste time on this crap again.

Dyche was always just a stopgap to steady the ship so I could accept the means to an end football for the first 18 months or so. Moyes, however, is not the answer to take the club forward.

Scary decision by TFG - massive own goal if it comes about. As soon as the first losses start (and they will come) the knives will be out and the atmosphere will be ugly. There won’t be any new manager optimism with him back in the dug out.

If we appoint Moyes we might as well have kept Dyche in the job for all the difference Moyes will make.
It would be better to keep Baines and Coleman on than hire a has been manager like Moyes.
Everyone seems to forget how dreadful it was when Moyes was manager. Maybe they like mediocrity?

The prospect of Moyes returning is difficult to accept because of his association with Kenwright, his manner of leaving previously but memories of knives to a gunfight.

But, putting all of that aside, he is a better manager than Dyche, brought in some good players under his tenure, has won a European trophy and a bucket load of PL experiences. Ticks all of TFG boxes, but negotiating a deal may be more difficult as he will certainly want more than a year. Add to that the emotional issues of burning all his bridges, I am not as convinced this is a done deal.

I doubt TFG want him, but believe they need him for survival to be replaced once or if survival has been won.

Unless they have a better long term candidate available, it's hard to see Moyes not being appointed, but the kicker in all of this is for how long..

Interestingly, not much has been said over Thewalls future, I can't believe his position is all that good either, if Moyes gets in, just cannot see him taking orders from Thewell.

watch us now go and beat villa and spurs. the reaction will be 'Don't extend his contract! this just shows how shit Dyche was, that's all!'

It wont be Mourinho. He is done as is Moyes.

The thought of Moyes horrifies me. He did quite well for a while at Goodison but did nothing at Manure with all their loot and has failed at other clubs since.

It is a crap shoot at the best of times so let's just hope whoever it is does the necessary to get this club back on track.

That calls for Moyes possibly coming back continue to pollute the air around our club, continue to make me sick.
It’s like so many have forgotten how dismal we were under his stewardship! He wasn’t able to guide us to a win, not ONE, against any of the ‘top four’ teams of the Premier League.

That we’ve become more & more unwatchable under Dyche, and some talk about “The Ginger Whinger”, (as was used earlier on this thread, a wonderful nickname) just baffles me! Do some of us see Moyes as anything other than a return to a fan torture, that we’ve ad a few years of?

I love the recycling of the old Moyes talking points. 11 years and the same stuff still being chewed over!

Basically, under Moyes, Everton were decent for significant spells, whilst generally playing pragmatic football. He managed signings and the financial side well.

At points during his tenure, the football was turgid, grindingly boring.
At other times, he turned out some of the most exciting teams I have seen since HK mark 1 left.

At this current point, only Pickford, Braithwaite and maybe Mangala would get in the team he left behind. This guy gave us duds, but he also gave us Cahill, Arteta, Yakubu, Coleman, Baines, Howard, Martyn, Stones, Jags,.

He made Graveson and Carsley look fucking ace!

He may not be the answer now. He may be a good stop gap until something better comes along. But his record over those 11 years was very good, and he left behind a squad that with a few tweaks (having an actually good striker) finished 5th next season.

Dyche leave a team with 4 shit strikers, 2 aging right backs, 1 left back, wingers who play on the wrong wing, number 10’s who play on the wings.

Jim 43, You remember the Moyes days a lot fonder that I.

I remember the dithering, the submissions against the top teams, the general condescending aspirational lowering media talk.
Who sold Rooney, who wanted Baines and fellaini on the cheap. He made himself the highest paid person at the club and walked out for nothing.

I don't believe in anyone going back to their old club as player or manager. I can't think of any successfull examples.

I don't for 1 minute think that he can reproduce anything like his previous tenure at the club. The game has moved on.

West ham fans where made up they got rid of him and that was after he won something. Even now whu fans wouldn't have him back so why should we? He plays the media very well but is one very dour risk averse football manager.

Rob, 44. I remember periods of those things too.

But the result was finishing in and around the European spot, latter stage matches in cup competitions and teams that, on occasion, when the ball injury gods smiled and the clock b managed to hold off bids for star players, were exciting to watch