Better attacking sees Everton beat the offside flag

Luckily Moyes is paid an extortionate amount of money to inspire a football team at elite level, in the top sport and entertainment league in the world, with an abundance of coaches, analysts, data etc to help him get there.

So, all in all, I can't wait to see a revived, forward-thinking attacking performance.

I had to move it to one of the pre-match threads...

Unfortunately despite the money and resources he has at his disposal I fear another dull, inept, dour Davey masterclass.

If we can do that for 60 or 70 minutes, who knows?

It was the win against Sunderland (Moyes's 2nd season?) which saw us move away from the relegation zone.

However, why not Rohl? Apparently he's ripping it up in training and has looked really excellent when given some minutes. Fingers very much crossed.

Right-back aside, I'd have played Gana or Iroegbunam but not both. But all he needs to do is bring Rohl on as a sub to play alongside both of them and we'll really look forward to the presser.

Good that Barry stays in, we need a big performance from Jack Grealish today, and for Mykolenko to impose himself.

If I was on the bench, I'd be gone out of this shit show. If we win today, it will be by mistake.

Otherwise, a fairly logical first XI.

I couldn't agree more. Garner offers nothing better than O'Brien. Maybe he is exhausted? Who knows?

Tim and Gaye in midfield is the weakest possible one there is. Worse than the two G's. Rohl and Garner? Too attacking ???

Tim has been okay as a sub but his starts have been terrible.
Hospital ball Gueye is nearly as old as his manager. How is he ahead of others? Dewsbury-Hall needs to do something other than run around losing it or being breezed off the ball easily.

I'm glad Barry gets a confidence start but it's pointless for him and Beto if neither are given chances, Mr Moyes... Chances, plural. More than one and much greater than two , you stingy Scotsman.

This is a must-win already.

But the main thing today is a win, so I hope that's how it finishes up.

I can't understand the inclusion of Coleman; as a recognized international right-back, is he fit or only fit for a limited game time?

We just need a win... badly. Come on you Blues!

He does not have the same backing as he did under Kenwright. The new owners will not accept it.

Stubborness.

Last thing we need is a goal down in the first half and Moyes looking for a draw in the second half.

Help with some offside decisions... 🙈

To those already moaning about the line-up -- why don't you comment somewhere else if you can't support the team before we've even kicked off?

COYB.

Oh yes, Man Utd are away today.

We should batter them but we need 2 up front.

General play is good but we can't score a goal.

He's taking enough dives.

One of the midfielders I was worried about, Dewsbury-Hall was the best man on the field in that first half, for me. Just keep it up, get the win, and improve the goal difference!

And only having seen a replay of the second disallowed goal, I'm still not sure why either were actually deserving of being disallowed unless sometime through the week there was another change to the offside rule.

Good to see that we are using other options rather than 90% going through Grealish and it also shows the value of getting more players into the opposition penalty area.

Barry also looking good probably through us playing less long ball with men getting forward.

Very good performance but we have played well in most first halves this season. Keep going, lads, one more big push and get the next goal and three deserved points.

Ndiaye first time and Tarkowski second time.

He's injured himself with a body swerve so severe that he fell over.

Four points off 2nd, I'd have taken that at the start of the season.

I'd be playing Rhol over Iroegbunam in the next game. Apart from one stray ball that gave Fulham an attack, he was very impressive.

COYB!

O'Brien would give us more pace at centre-back with Tarkowski on the bench.

This season, we'll probably never be quite as bad or quite as good as we appear.

That little tidbit apart, we showed character today. It would have been easy to drop heads after disallowed goals and think "It is one of those days," but we kept battling away and putting the ball in the back of the net numerous times until another finally counted. Good result.

The third disallowed goal was definitely not offside. Barry was pushed twice into an offside position but was not interfering with play at all.

Gana and Jimmy were my Men of the match. Röhl looks a player once he gets up to speed.

Dewsbury-Hall was very good today -- yet there have been calls for him to be dropped before. He's still the same player and still very clearly an obvious starter.

Likewise Barry. I'm reading that he played well today. He certainly tried hard but he was the same hapless striker he's been in every performance. By all means give him time to show what he can be but don't tell me you were suddenly impressed by a striker falling over his own feet. The difference today was he didn't miss a glaring opportunity because he didn't have one.

A scrambled goal after Iroegbunam managed to have a shot that went backwards to Gueye plus a goal from a corner that hit our defender's shoulder and all is well.

I thought he was shocking!!! 😲

If you want to argue about the push, then you're appealing for a penalty. Which would be soft in the extreme.

A much more committed performance.

Garner was much more mobile at right-back than O'Brien. Barry was decent enough... a good 3 points.

'Nooo! he's still crap! get him oooout...' as they teeter Gollum style into the crack of doom!

The 3rd disallowed goal looked good at first glance but I suppose most of Barry was offside when he stuck his leg out backwards into an onside position that saw a third disallowed goal.

I did wonder if VAR had quickened it's decision making or if we had just come across the only linesman not frightened to stick his flag up without having to be told.

We seemed to lose interest on the hour mark and for a while it looked like we might let Fulham back into the game which lasted about 10-15 minutes... but they must be one of the poorest sides we have seen this year.

We had a lot more physicality in midfield and a lot more quality from the right-hand side of the pitch. In case you didn't notice, Ernie, we had two goals ruled out from Garner's deliveries. Can you please tell me the chances created from Jake O'Brien this season?

Mykolenko was superb today. Brilliant defending against Wilson preventing a certain goal and two excellent deliveries. The most undervalued player in the Premier League.

Iroegbunam another superb performance following on from his last 2 excellent cameos, really controlled that midfield today and made others beside him look better. Gueye back to his aggressive best.

Excellent from Dewsbury-Hall. I have given him a lot of stick but today was probably his best game in an Everton shirt.

Barry caused them a headache all day and never let them settle. Delighted to see the reception he got.

Moyes -- fair play with his line-up and we didn't really take a backward step until the last few minutes when the game won at 2-0 up and we were seeing it out.

How someone thinks this is the same as after 30 minutes against Sunderland and ushering his team to retreat and replacing Ndiaye with McNeil beggars belief.

I can see Gollum standing on the edge of the cravass with his blue-tinted glasses on shouting "Barry will come good -- just give him another 30 games!" as he falls to his doom. 😅🤣😂

I would not say it was a polished performance.

I thought Barry did okay today. Keep trying and his goals will come.

My main concern for Barry would be his seeming lack in confidence as a man. Get your head up, lad, and hold it high. You miss a chance, so what, go again. Get your chin up and hold your head up. Show some arrogance.

I'm 100% behind the lad and I certainly won't slag him off, why not cheer when we win, where we put the ball in the net 5 times?

Well played, every single player on the pitch today!!!

The oldest manager in the league met a once young pretender, both being ex-managers of the club. With a quarter of the season gone, both teams lay in miserable positions. Both in mainly declining form.

Fulham one place below the Blues due to goal difference. 11 points out of a possible 30 for both and 5 points above relegation.

Everton dominated this affair from start to finish. Aside from an occasional foray, causing Pickford a couple of deflected worries, not much else was achieved by the away team.

Positives

Having taken hold of the game immediately, Everton did not fade after 30 minutes as they previously had, battling to the 96th. The flanks were more attacking and several shots soon came.

Barry was not only able to control the ball -- he took it and beat players. He had one header which was not a full chance as it was just too high. He scored from close in but Ndiaye was offside during the build-up.

After a dodgy start, Gueye was soon belying his senior years and scored the first, bundling it in. Ugly but who cares. Deserved.

Some very positive passing and passages of play. Good goals scored in the opponent's box but exuberance led to the marginal but correct offside calls on three well-worked goals.

The 2nd goal came from the outstanding Keane who has turned somewhat of a corner in his near flawless performances.

Moyes made a substitution when we had lost midfield for a moment. Deserved win.

Negatives

Sadly when Iroegbunam starts, he is generally awful. Today was no exception. Merlin came on at 65 minutes. Hopefully cementing a starting place ahead of Tim.

Offsides. Unlucky. But teams are disciplined moving out from set plays and we were caught out. We need to train on that aspect.

Well done, Everton.

A win's a win and that was much better.

I am happy with Barry's performance especially. He seems to be coming on quite well, and one senses that, once the 1st goal goes in, the floodgates will open. Having said that, I hope he goes back to the replay and takes a look at those 3 offsides and learns from them.

Those whining about Garner being selected at right-back, don't they see the huge difference he made by being a superior ball player to O'Brien? Plus his speed and positional sense is also much better.

Not having a go at Big Jake, but that is just not his natural position, although these game times will prepare him well for his eventual position as our centre-back. Garner playing right-back opens up another slot in midfield and Iroegbunam and Rohl played well in that position.

Well done to David Moyes.

Why is the Sunderland result poor? It was an excellent point, they are leading Arsenal at this moment.

The lines have to be moved for the sake of on-the-ground football, or we will be watching boring set-piece football for ever more.

Slow with the subs again... what is this man doing? Does he know anything about Premier League football, we have dozens of better managers on ToffeeWeb.

I like Garner at right-back mainly because I don't like O'Brien at right-back. But Tim Iroegbunam was certainly not excellent. He was pretty much what he always is with the difference being that he was playing against Fulham's midfield.

There are very few changes Moyes can make that don't weaken us elsewhere.

I don't see how anyone, and this isn't just targeted at you, Conor, can truly believe that every time we win it's because of a change. Yet every time we don't win, it's because negative David Moyes ushered his team to retreat.

It was a good performance. It wasn't particularly out of character with this season. We generally play decent football and lack a cutting edge. We are a midtable side that will look good on occasion and sometimes be made to look ordinary when up against good sides or put under pressure.

At last Moyes brought a sub on early. It was good timing because, on the hour mark, Fulham were getting into the game.

Idrissa and Garner were outstanding. Delighted for Keane, he has been superb. Barry will come good.

If we carry on playing like that, I will stop moaning about Moyes. It's a big 'if' though.

When Peter Crouch signed for the Shite, he didn't score in 18 games... then he couldn't stop scoring.

He, like our Thierno, looked like an absolute bag of shite. So what I suppose I'm saying is give the kid time... ya never know! UTFT!

With Dominic Calvert-Lewin leaving, then Michael needs a new target.

Nice show of support by the home crowd.

And by Davey Moyes... putting him straight back on the horse will do wonders for the lad's confidence.

Both Dewsbury-Hall and Barry derived more confidence in this game.

I agree with you that it wasn't a perfect performance but I haven't seen us with that much aggression and for that long in the game since arguably last season. Tim Iroegbunam was vital to that as, for most of the season, we have played with 3 Xavis in midfield without the quality and bravery. Yet as soon as the opponents got a bit of supremacy, Garner and particularly Dewsbury-Hall went missing.

You say it's just Fulham, the same team who have taken 10 points from their last 12 on the journey north.

Today, Moyes was forced onto the front foot and we know from history that, when he needs a performance, he gets one. You say his selections were the same but even when Tim Iroegbunam got booked and had to be subbed, I thought "Oh no, he's gonna bring Jake on." Moyes knew the reception that would have gotten.

Thankfully, he didn't go negative and brought on Rohl which sent a message to the team and the supporters.

This wasn't vintage but it tells you a lot when Grealish was one of our poorer performers and Ndiaye not far behind. It was a performance of bravery, accountability and togetherness. Yes, Jordan had a couple of big moments... but I think we deserved it.

Don't be ridiculous, Charlie is much better at centre half!😉

Barry's involvement is utter shite. He didn't do anything of note. Thank god we got 3 points though.

The officials should be more committed to stamping out that sort of nonsense than some of the pedantry they focus on in open play.

However, it seems I'm the only one who saw it that way, so I could be wrong.

Mind your own business -- if John wants to be ridiculous, let him!

You were moaning your arse off about Moyes earlier this week and now we've won, you're gutted. What a good supporter you are.

Well done, Everton. I'm so glad we finally played Garner at right back, huge upgrade over O'Brien, he offers some kind of attacking option down the right; keep him there.

4 points from 2 games, the hysterical brigade can take the week off.

Apart from a brief period in the second half when Fulham got back in the game, we were well worth the victory and these wins against teams near our position in the league are the really important ones, especially at home.

So I'm happy with result and the attacking and aggressive performance was one I hope to see a lot more of in the rest of the season, if only to keep the wolf from the door!

Jerome does like a back-handed compliment when Moyes comes up trumps.

Garner was a much better option at right-back, this frees up a midfield place which Iroegbunam did okay in but I feel Rohl would be a better option.

Tim looks better coming on with 20 minutes to play, his stamina for a 23-year-old looks a problem when starting.

I thought Barry led the line really well and was disappointed when he got subbed off for Beto, surely 90 minutes on the pitch gives him a massive boost, but no.

Moyes is the motivatorin these situations (he couldn't motivate an apprentice to give him a lift to the nearest chippy at lunchtime tbh).

Good win today and I believe Fulham will struggle this season, they were awful. Hi, ho, Silva.

There's another Rayomd Fox (also) #65 on the "Next up:' thread asking 'How can you fancy us to win"

If you have a word with Michael... he'll come up with a way to differentiate between the two of you.

Barry's best performance so far. He worked very hard but looked knackered by 75 minutes -- and I thought Moyes was correct to replace him for that reason.

Rohl had a good impact when coming on, but needs to stop giving it away in deep areas. He's a big strong lad, but can get caught out.

I thought Garner did well at right-back, although I'd like to see his crosses from the bye line, rather than deep.

A good 3 points against a poor Fulham side.

Bit annoyed with Moyes today; you want to reunite the MOB and he lets you down with a bloody adequate show.

He still looks like Bambi On Ice and currently isn't good enough.

Re Barry - before the match, me and my mate were talking on the train about him and agreed that although so far he'd offered nothing of note (and that's being kind), it would be counter-productive for us (and everyone else) to get on his back.

Neither of us are the most relaxed of individuals (certainly when watching Everton) but we agreed we'd have to try and get behind him, even if he was stinking out the place.

And it seemed today, many were thinking along the same lines.

The applause when he went off was great because it said - 'we appreciate the effort, we know it hasn't been going your way, but stick with it.'

In fact for me today, my only 'criticism' (ish) of Barry was he was (imo) trying TOO hard to impress.

But I'm nit-picking, he worked his boIIocks off and showed there's deffo a player in there.

(well...hopefully)

Changing the subject, the chaos after the game at Sandhills (and Moorfields and Central) due to a race day at Aintree and the match finishing (seemingly) at exactly the same @$*!ing time was insane.

In fact if I read tomorrow metro guards were abused/chinned/snotted etc, it would not shock me (to be clear, I hope that didn't happen).

But the fact is there were some VERY angry people trying to get on trains as (equally) angry people were trying to get off.

Trains were being cancelled and I could hear a LOT of raised voices and have no doubt one or two succumbed to their anger

Fact: Had our game kicked-off at 12.30pm, all or most of that lunacy would've been avoided (nb: the fixtures were announced 18th June - could no one have foreseen today's travel mess?)

Everton/Rotheram/whoever need to REALLY get a grip of the post-match travel.

More trains, BETTER trains (if the f@!%ing doors won't work) more carriages, better time-keeping

Some dope mumbling "technical difficulties" through a Chad Valley walkie-talkie is just salt in the wound.

Up the Toffees!

He is looking promising in the shitest of times. Wait till he gets a goal, this was a great signing.

That was a much improved performance.

The lad's confidence was shot as he sat on the bench after being withdrawn on Monday night. He now knows he will start in the next game too, so he is currently our Number 1 striker.

Go and get a goal or two, Thierno.

He still looks like he has trouble staying on his feet, exemplified by the weird episode that happened near the corner flag when he went down with no one touching him.

But if he gets a goal, hopefully it will open the floodgates. He needs to start every game up to Xmas, get a proper run in the team, and hopefully he will prove you right.

My usual seat is in the southwest corner, but today I was on the halfway line and the atmosphere, getting the noise from all around the ground, was excellent.

I was sitting pretty close behind David Moyes, and he appeared to be bollocking Barry when he came off the pitch. Perhaps he was telling him off for showing his displeasure at being substituted, but I thought it would have been an appropriate time to put an arm around the lad's shoulder.

Other than that, a good result. The crowd got behind Barry from the start which was great, Dewsbury-Hall and Garner played well.

Perhaps Moyes was telling Barry to focus on the applause ringing out around the ground... and then he smiled.

Only joking! :)

But what would Barry have gained from being left on for the full game? We will never know.

Far too many writing him off after a handful of games. The goals will come with more confidence and we need to score from all over the pitch as we did today.

What a difference having a semi-attacking full back made too. The lack of decent recruitment in those positions since Baines and Coleman in their prime has been terrible negligence.

Did you see the Barry smile when the crowd applauded him?

Cheshire cat doesn't quite capture it.

Masterstroke by the Moyesiah.

Bringing him off, especially when he is doing well,
doesn't help in achieving that goal.

We were very good. It could have been a lot more. I do wonder how much finishing training is done during the week, because we're not putting the chances away that we're creating.

Important not to get too high after beating a poor team, just as it was important not to get too low after drawing against what we saw again this evening are a fine (at the moment) Sunderland team that we could have put to the sword had we taken our chances (bit of a theme developing here).

It may help his confidence with the ground appauding... it may not.

Who'd be a manager, eh?

My son's first game at BMD (my third -- 3 wins) and he loved it.
Anyone looking for negatives today should look elsewhere for their football.

Up The Fucking Toffees!

Our forwards are shot shy, and our strikers are shit. The three esses: shot shy and shit.

Now where is me Marine flag?😁

I can't be too confident that we will win against anyone because we normally struggle to score. If you don't score, you can't, win that's what I'm saying.

I always stick up for the manager, whoever is in charge, although I did make an exception with Koeman. It's down to the players to do the scoring.

Hence his Cheshire cat smile, and he can't believe he's on that amount when he's a very very very average footballer.

Klopp showed at FC iPad that you can throw fucking bean bags into any position as long as they follow orders (and have tons of caffeine). Just have good orders and -- what we lack -- options.

Get on that, Blues. It's a thing.

And they've been vociferous ever since.

I thought all 3 were pretty obviously correct decisions. We deserved more and we don't have to like the outcome of those incidents, but I'm not even sure on what basis anyone could argue against them?

He is raw but our attacking link play works better with him in the side. He could have got a couple of goals today. He should stay in the team.

It also helped that we played a higher line, so Barry wasn't isolated. Dewsbury-Hall was able to push a lot higher to him and we actually got runners into the box. I like Garner at right-back and he may have to stay there for now.

So what will the manager do for Man Utd? More of the same or his classic Sky 6 away low block, full-backs tucked in, midfielders sat in front of the defence, and an isolated striker?

The commentator for the game on the channel I watched didn't explain it and I couldn't see from the replay?

I would love to think we will go there and have a real go at Man Utd. But the Moysiah doesn't ever do that, does he? Mr Cautious will happily go there looking for the draw.

But the win over Fulham was extremely welcome and a decent performance to go with it. Let's face it, though, we were well overdue both those things.

Ernie, the Dewsbury-Hall goal should have stood. Barry's attempt to reach back for the ball from his offside position in no way affected the play. None of the defenders appealed, as they surely would have if Barry had touched the ball or another player, or had in any way obstructed the keeper's view.

The Dewsbury-Hall one was the only one that was in any way debatable. I actually thought they should send the referee to the screen to determine if Barry was impacting play or not. But the referee would have undoubtedly concluded that he was -- he actually tried to play the ball. Probably still not the right process though.

Are we the only team that gets penalised for this?

But now I'm watching Sunderland v Arsenal highlights with a few beers and….. Fuck Me! That first Sunderland goal would have 1000% been ruled out for offiside if it was Everton.

I hate this league. UTFT -- more beers... Let's Go!!!

Erm, post 114? We got 20 more now.

The difference it makes to have a full-back with attacking prowess is immense. Plus Dewsbury-Hall, for all the stick he gets, is superior to Alcaraz when he's playing at his best.

Credit to Thierno Barry where it's due — he certainly doesn't always look the part, but he showed some promise today. Gana is ageless; Keane is shockingly consistently good with each passing match, and to win fairly easily without Ndiaye and Grealish doing anything of note is significant.

Enjoyed starting the day with an Everton win and finishing with a Minnesota United win at the stadium, replays of which people should watch, as it was one of the craziest matches I've ever seen in person.

Cup match, down 2-0 in 7 minutes, beautiful free kick to get to 2-1, down a man for a red card headbutt by halftime, scored 2 goals in the second half to go up 3-2, then tied going into penalties, win on penalties on the 10th kick by the keeper. To keep our season alive.

Also, for all the moaning about calls going against us, all 3 offsides were easy and correct decisions.

Fulham were distinctly average and, as happens most times at the kick-off for the 2nd half, we seem to get put back on our heels and act surprised that the opposition comes out a bit revved up by their manager. The fact that we rode that rough patch is as much down to Fulham's poor play... and to be fair, a decent save.

It's been 11 years since Oviedo baby did Moyes at Man Utd, they say things go in cycles, sunspots peak that often, but the chances of Moyes going there and getting a similar result are non-existent.

If Lewis's still had a window, I'd show my arse in it if he does similar.

Everton played higher up the field and were more proactive, engaging the forwards as a result. This was better than being deeper and reactive. If the result had stayed 1-0 and Fulham had got an equaliser, Moyes would have reverted to a more deeper reactive Everton.

Instead, practise had been put into set-pieces over this past two weeks now with success which kept Everton proactive and higher up the pitch and Fulham on the back foot. These are both the areas that I criticise Moyes on and Everton have been successful when they have been addressed.

Sure, I am happy with the result, but I am not going to get carried away. Against Man Utd, Moyes will have to do the same. They will defend better, so set-piece play will have to be continually practised, which may or may not happen over the break. Moyes may go for a more reactive deep display, the main reason for his lack of success against the traditional Top 6.

Thankfully, the Keane goal put an end to their efforts.

I'm looking forward to next week when a giant hoof from Pickford goes in the goal at the far end, but is disallowed because Dominic Calvert-Lewin was offside in February 2022.

This will be followed by disallowing a goal scored by Beto running from his own half with the ball because David Moyes was over the halfway line prior to the kick-off.

And another when Jack Grealish fails to fall over when kicked for the 16th time by the same player and his pass goes to Garner who hits it past 11 opposing players, Grealish is adjudged to have prevented the referee from blowing his whistle.

We looked a much more balanced team with Garner at right-back and Iroegbunam in midfield. Opposing teams have sussed O'Brien's vulnerability, successive wingers have played on this and turned him inside out.

We are top-heavy with midfielders at present, but even if Garner was required to play midfield, then I'd select Coleman (same age as Gueye incidentally) before O'Brien as he's a natural right back.

Furthermore, with Keane's magnificent season so far and Tarkowski's able assistance, both O'Brien and Branthwaite, when fit, should be forced to the bench to await the opportunity of a return. Moyes must continue to play the players in form, regardless of name or pricetag.

Iroegbunam was the perfect foil for the ageless Gueye yesterday. Röhl by comparison, looked lost and way off the pace when he was introduced off the bench. But he is another with the potential for improvement. He needs to make his mark, but I believe he's capable.

Alcaraz showed enough when he turned the game around against Palace, when coming on as sub recently, to convince he's a talent worth persevering with. Dibling and Armstrong, when he returns, are other youngsters sure to make their presence known soon.

In conclusion, our future is rosier than it's been for some time. We are still very much in transition, but it was so encouraging to see free fast-flowing possession football for long periods against a decent Fulham team. It could easily have been a much more convincing scoreline, had the linesman's flag treated us a little kinder.

But the strange thing is... I don't recall him playing a key part in any of the five goals. I could be wrong but it seems harder and harder for him to affect the game.

And I don't think this was down to Fulham double- or triple-teaming him as other teams have done so successfully, although Tete got the better of him a couple of times.

He does seem a bit of an enigma and perhaps Pep was right in his analysis... or Pep has in fact destroyed the game Jack played for Villa, for it never to be seen again?

Jack Grealish 2021 - Amazing Skills, Passes, Assists & Goals

I agree with your comments regarding Grealish. He still undoubtedly retains his talent, but since the opening games of the season, when he was delivering explosive quicksilver assists, his effectiveness has definitely simmered somewhat. By contrast we only need to look to the opposite flank where Ndaiye's dashing runs are regularly causing havoc, to see the difference in effectiveness.

Too often players are looking to find Grealish, only for him to slow the game down and either pass the ball backwards or run into a dead end.

Grealish is still a class act, with immense talent and presence. I just wish he'd show it a bit more often, as he did at the start of the season.

The free spirit attitude that he had at Villa has been well and truly drummed out of him. Play slows down when he receives the ball and Mykolenko can look no further than feeding him the ball when other options are sometimes available.

Fine player though he remains and still worthy of his place, he shouldn't be an automatic choice if someone else were pushing for an appearance.

Moyes looks aggressive, pointing his finger at Barry, so maybe Barry is a little moaning bastard on the sly (it's possibly why nobody went up to him on the bench at Sunderland the other day)

Perhaps David was telling him, "If you was a little bit more humble, then instead of sulking at coming off, just listen to the fans who have obviously appreciated your effort today!" (Wrote in jest, but the more I think about it…)

A win is a win, and because I stayed away, Mark @116, hopefully what I'm going to write next in response to John @69 doesn't come across as being too negative.

Dibling at left-back and Alcaraz playing defensive midfield doesn't make any sense but putting them on for the last 10 minutes when the team is winning 2-0 surely does? We need a squad and the only way this is going to happen is if players get enough minutes to feel part of the squad.

I've only managed lunatics, Eric, a world champion boxer actually left one of the teams I managed because, in his words, he only wanted to have a game of football, but one thing I learned is that, if a player isn't getting much game time, then he doesn't feel part of the team.

I don't know if writing this is construed as being negative, but when I'm someone who has always only wanted the best for Everton, then hopefully it gets taken in the right context.

Anyone who doesn't want the best for Everton doesn't really belong on this website, which is probably why a few people have left or are not posting anywhere near as often these days...

You are correct -- I don't think Grealish played a part in any of the goals, but neither did Ndaiye.

I know you didn't want Grealish here in the first place, so not surprised that you should pick up when he had no part in any of the goals.

Grealish is an important part to us changing from Dyche hoofball, to trying to play a more possession-based game. Grealish has never scored a lot of goals but he does help create chances.

You suggest Pep was right in his analysis, is that the analysis to spend £100M on a player that would contribute to countless trophy wins?

Of course the 30-year-old Grealish might not be as effective as the 25-year-old who excelled at Man City, but I would imagine you ask any of our current players about his impact and I would imagine their perspective would be different to yours.

2 wins in 9 games is hardly cause to organise a tickertape parade, but at least we go into the international break midtable rather than getting dragged into another relegation battle.

Now the interesting part. How will the manager approach Man Utd away?

Given that we have scored 12 league goals this season, that is quite productive.

Great performance despite the officials doing everything they possibly could to spoil things. Two of the disallowed goals were good goals. No reason to disallow them. And the ref was even giving fouls to Fulham that didn't exist while ignoring an obvious Fulham red.

If we played in red that game finished 4-0 or even 5-0.

Where is the complaint, Everton?

I wasn't at home yesterday but caught the match on a stream courtesy of Gavin McGarvey who posted the link on the Live Forum. (Thanks Gavin... for once a stream worked pretty well for me!)

Barry came off with a huge smile on his face. The camera showed him walking off with the crowd applauding and Moyes standing on the touchline. Moyes was pretty passive so it was difficult to read if he was pleased or displeased with the player.

Camera cut away so I'm not sure how the player and manager interacted when Barry stepped off the pitch.

John was not serious. He's ranted several times this week at the negative posters on this site and was having another pop.

Jerome (139) your first paragraph is irrelevant, Fulham did not equalize so not sure what your point is. Woulda, coulda, shoulda mate.

Re set-pieces, maybe you've said something about them amongst the rest of your rambling "I've played Championship Manager on my PC" nonsense, but they've at best been a small part of the detritus you regularly spout.

You were calling Moyes for everything earlier this week, you had all the answers -- best you've got now is set-pieces. If you've nothing positive to say you'd be best saying very little or nothing.

It's also a good sign that we didn't need Grealish to win. He had a quiet game thanks to Tete. A player who I didn't want in the summer who put in a solid defensive performance and also showed a bit of shithousery which would improve us.

Tim Iroegbunam slips under the radar for the amount of work he does off the ball. I thought he had a strong game, he does seem to tire towards the end of games.

It will be interesting to see how the team performs when Gana and Ndiaye go off to Afcon. Tim comes in for Gana and Alcaraz, McNeil or Dibling for Ndiaye.

This system revolves around whoever is playing attacking centre-mid and Dewsbury-Hall got the better of the Fulham lad who was lucky to stay on the pitch.

Credit to Moyes for putting Garner at full-back. I know he isn't a natural right-back but he offers so much more than O'Brien.

Barry having a bit of a strop going off the pitch is a sign of immaturity. He had his best game for us yesterday but is still a mile off.

He should have done better with the header in the first half and in the 2nd half, after some good play, fell over his own feet. We need to find new strikers in January.

When Everton win, then just enjoy it, forget about the people who you disagree with, and just enjoy the team winning, especially if the victory was as comprehensive as it sounds.

That wasn't aimed at you, Jimmy, that's just how I feel about what I would term, ridiculous posts that offer nothing positive. Words that should be left for another day, maybe?

Barry's minor strop as he came off doesn't bother me too much. He's very frustrated by not scoring. And while Grealish wasn't involved in the goals, he helped see out the win by retaining possession, drawing fouls etc. We are a better team for having him and, until such time we can attract or afford a better left-winger. I'm enjoying having him.

I do agree, though, he needs to get more direct at least some of the time.

Thanks for the article and the link, Michael.

Looking forward to your analysis after the Man Utd game...

Photos can be deceiving but if that's praise Moyes is shouting, then he's doing it with a glaring face without any show of kind words!

Sorry, congratulations!

I wouldn't worry about your post being seen as negative. There are already a lot of negative posts on this thread, mostly from posters who apparently despise any form of negativity. Indeed, it could have been a very positive thread otherwise.

On top of this, there are unbelievable 'I told you so'' posts or 'nothing different here except the result or opposition' posts.

When posters like yourself are asking for progressive changes, offering different threats, causing opposition different problems and using the squad to its best effect, you are obviously doing so because you want the best for Everton.

Incidentally you will note that some of our most self promoting positive posters often are the most disparaging and negative about our players, ownership and recruitment team, even the Club itself.

C'est la vie!

Just having a go at the other side after a good result is just a digital drive-by shooting.

Isn't it Burton's that, historically, you would show your arse in?

But I guess they don't exist either now.

"You were calling Moyes for everything earlier this week, you had all the answers -- best you've got now is set-pieces. If you've nothing positive to say you'd be best saying very little or nothing."

There'd be no posts on this website if everyone took heed of that, Jimmy!

Gueye had one of those days he has where his energy
levels are extra terrestrial.

It seems that Moyes has finally come round to the general
view that Barry needs a run of games to see if he's up to it.
Absolutely no point playing Beto who, likeable as he is, is
not and never will be.

Thankfully, we Evertonians are basically a soft-hearted bunch and Barry's ovation in support of his efforts was quite emotional. A contrast to the vitriol given by the RS to their former full-back.

But after reading certain posters, it is exciting to find out that we are actually doing very well.

Keep the good news coming!

I look at Forest having most of their summer signings on the bench; Liverpool's expensive summer signings haven't settled, for example.

I wonder if these ludicrous international breaks don't help?

Whose general view is that Anthony?

The general view I've read on these pages has been that both Barry and Beto are rubbish and should be left behind at Finch Farm, being replaced by Michael Keane as our striker.

Something to bear in mind maybe for us all

Funnily enough, when Keane was being pilloried all round, I always thought he was worth a shout up front.

I am sure you wouldn't want to move him now, even though Barry might be a work in progress.

There's always a context, and there's always two sides to a story. Everyone here is an outsider looking in. We don't know what goes on behind the scenes or what the internal dynamics are amongst the players, the manager and the wider management team.

But that doesn't come into it when another expert is telling us that they know so much better about how to manage Everton than the actual manager. The bottom line is, they've got no clue. I'm just saying it as it is.

Was yelling that - the reason she (pretended) to be asleep on the couch??

Only a mild piss take. I was intrigued by what I thought were two contradictory posts by you but I can see where you are coming from.

Credit to him for starting Barry -- his hold-up play is improving and he is winning quite a few aerial duals. Perhaps there is a player in there.

The one thing I have noticed under Moyes's management is that we seem to be much better at passing the ball to a team mate and then holding on to it.

Off topic but 52,000 for every home game. It made me feel very proud when the cameras panned around the stadium showing a full house. We are a big club and we will be great again!

A bit of a conundrum with Tyler Dibling; not that long ago, Moyes was saying he was impressed with Dibling in training, but he hasn't been seen since??

However, "I don't deny anyone the right to criticise". Jimmy, until this thread, I had long tuned out of your posting due to their very nature. I had a quick look over a number of threads as I thought I must have got you mixed up.

One thread it was one writer, the next thread was another writer, in two more threads it was aimed at individual posters.

I did find one thread eventually, the Dibling one, where you weren't nailing someone and discussing only football:

"It seems strange to me that he's not trying different ideas, players, formations to get a result."

Careful, Jimmy, a few sharks on here might accuse you of telling David Moyes how to manage Everton.

I never felt more like singing the blue……..

The bigger picture is that we're generally playing better football but lack a cutting edge. We've invested in some young players after years of selling more than we bought.

We're probably a midtable team which means we'll have as much good as bad during the season.

And being a midtable team that has invested in young players does represent progress. Progress that is marginal and not immediately exciting but steady progress nonetheless.

It's hard to see that progress after a loss. Just as a win against Fulham doesn't suddenly represent a huge leap forward.

Stay the course, Blues. It appears that there is actually a plan.

As for the “Jimmy agrees with Eric, Eric agrees with John, John agrees with Kevin, Kevin agrees with Jimmy” carousel…. endless!

I agree with the first offside but the other two decisions were out of order.

The more controversy there is, then I'm assuming it must be better for the television companies. It's doing absolutely nothing to enhance the game for the people who are inside the stadium.

Tarkowski was 100% offside when he won the header that went to Ndiaye. The linesman waited in case he'd got that wrong. We'd have been angry if he had incorrectly flagged as Ndiaye lined up a shot.

Similarly, Barry was in an offside position. I think they used the wrong process to wipe that one out given it came down to an interpretation of whether he was impacting play which should be made by the referee rather than the VAR. But I'm confident the referee would have agreed given he tried to play the ball.

I can't see what the argument against either could be. And none has been offered.

It looked to me that he has made a poor clearance because he wasn’t very composed, and I’m absolutely certain a goal will be given for something identical, before the year is out?

More accuracy by flipping a coin...

The people who devised VAR in their infinite wisdom have opened up a huge can of worms in my opinion.

Sure in a few cases they get it right but it seems more recently they are not.

I saw many instances over this last weekend where a player committing a foul should have been red-carded for over the ball potential leg breaking tackles ( which are becoming more common) and yet a measly yellow is handed out.
These type of tackles should go to VAR for a more thorough insight into the offense.

Of course RS are miffed at Dick Van Dyke's disallowed goal at City but every club has had bad luck in those kind of decisions and RS have had a fair share in their favor.

VAR should be scrapped if it doesn't get it's act together.

When you talk about context, I find it difficult to find any context or reasoned argument in your posts. It is easy to attack someone else's post were they put their opinion out there in a post, without giving any reasons or counter arguments. As Eric says, if ToffeeWeb had only such posts as yours, what would be the point?

Like Christine, I am finding that there is increasingly too many posts like yours and too many clickbait articles that are diluting discussion and giving rise to ill-considered posts.

But the recent Betting turn that the site has taken today has really caused me concern and I am now considering whether I want to contribute to such a site. I would miss the true Evertonians of this site, who have agreed and disagreed with me over the years.