Seamus Coleman impresses on international outing against Portugal

He gave them a pen that clearly wasn't and reduced the 7 minutes added time by 2, by allowing Portugal to celebrate their goal for those 2 minutes. We got nothing from the slap head.

Good on Coleman to still have it in him, he showed that he can be played by Moyes when required. Hope Ireland don't overuse him and he plays some limited time next game.

People are quick to dismiss Roberto but 72 points was for Everton Football Club in the Premier League era at least unheard of and, in any other given season, we'd have got Champions League.

Compared to the dross that followed him when the Moshiri millions started rolling in, Martinez was positively amazing.

He was a real breath of fresh air when he first arrived, so it was a massive disappointment the way things started gradually going downhill after this.

Great that Seamus is fit and firing again. Like a new player for us! If he can find the elixir of youth, that's right-back sorted. What a great player and a wonderful human being.

Thanks for everything, Mr Coleman. If a glorious swansong season is possible, bring it on. Good luck indeed.

11th, then 12th even with Lukaku meant it was only ending one way.

I remember reports of him ignoring practice of set piece defensive and offensive tactics 'cos he wanted goals from open play!

His other dodgy area was some of the signings like McGeady and Kone. Not that this department was actually improved all that much after his departure.

I liked him and saw some wonderful football in his three seasons. The one I hugely enjoyed was away at Swansea when Ross Barkley tucked away a brilliant free kick.

I will never forget the tippy-tappy shite he introduced where we spent the majority of the game watching passes across the back 4.

His first season was already falling apart before the end of the season. We were nailed on 4th but threw it away in the last few games and ended 5th.

He is the luckiest man in football to land a gig with Belgium and now Portugal and still won so little with the best players in the world at his disposal.

Great to hear Seamus had a good game.

Experience and nous will only get you so far, your brain starts writing cheques your legs can't cash, you start trying to compensate, pushing right up to your winger or dropping off in case you get skinned for speed.

It's a matter of ever-diminishing returns... or as some call it, 'Old Age'.

Great that Coleman plays for Ireland; sad that we've been having this sort of conversation about the right-back position for 2? 3?? 4??? seasons...

The reason I say this is because, the day Wigan won the FA Cup against all odds, then the only goal of the game came directly from a corner.

Why corners are something Martinez will never rely on

Also this:

The statement that "Roberto Martinez corners don't count" is not literal but reflects his tactical approach during his time managing Everton and Wigan Athletic, where he prioritized open-play, attacking football over set pieces like corners.

He believed the risk of a counter-attack from a corner was too high and preferred to score goals through intricate passing and movement rather than relying on dead-ball situations.

This meant he often de-emphasized set-piece practice in training, which sometimes led to criticism for his teams' lack of creativity from corners.

Ahead and cruising after 20 minutes or so, their manager, ex-Spurs manager Jol I think, made a switch which changed the game.

He pushed his wingers up when we were tapping out of defence and caused panic in our defenders, who weren't good enough to play that way under pressure.

At Xmas we were 2nd in the table. When we played teams a second time that season, most had sussed how to disrupt us.

Martinez never had the brains to realise that it is the job of a football manager to 'manage' the players at his disposal and get the best out of what they have. Not play Subbuteo with real people trying to get them to do what they can't.

It is ironic that managers who play a particular style are said to have a philosophy, which literally means love of learning. Most of them never learn.

"The historic evidence suggests Martinez is not for turning either. ‘The Numbers Game’ contains a passage that analyses his methods at Wigan, and once again direct corners are largely dismissed.

“He did not place an emphasis on corners,” they write. “Wigan scored just one goal from a corner in the entire 2010/11 season"

That FA Cup goal must have been a mis-kick.

Martinez - "Unfortunately you get too many managers achieving success with another type of football. You can analyse teams over history and there are parasite teams. There are certain styles that guarantee you 40 points, that’s success. Unfortunately you have other young managers trying to play the right way and they get relegated. Football is not right in those moments.”

In other words football should be played the way I want to play it. As I said at the time, there's always another way of doing something and unless you adapt, you will fail. Martinez had a great opportunity at Everton but his failure to be pragmatic, when it was needed, resulted in the foundations laid by Moyes, particularly the defence, being destroyed.

To play like a Guardiola team, you need to be coached by Guardiola. Martinez never has nor will ever be Guardiola. You may try to imitate him but you will never be him. Maybe if you had Messi, Xavi, Busquets and Iniesta in their pomp you'd have a chance, though with Martinez in charge perhaps not.

You can talk all you like, and boy, Bobby could talk, but it’s all just bullshine if you forget the fundamentals.

Later on in his reign, I clearly remember his own players losing respect for him and abandoning his own instructions in order to grind out the points to survive. And yet some people look back fondly on his time here!

He did “get” Everton admittedly but behind the verbal diarrhoea he regularly spouted, there was zero substance and total disorganisation, as evidenced by a total lack of importance attached to set pieces.

For most of that season there were many games that we were a delight to watch with his attacking game making us very good to see and I think another poster has said Lukaku, McCarthy, Delboy and Barry had added a lot more to the team Moyes left, as you said those last two seasons showed his defensive limitations but those 72 points the team gained in his first season are the most we’ve gained in the premier league and you can’t take that FA cup final win from him!

Posters at the time said he was holding us back. We have since had the likes of Koeman, Silva and Ancelotti given the keys to the castle yet not one of them has eclipsed a single achievement of Bobby never mind all of them.

The usual nonsense about building on Moyes when his defence was based on McCarthy and Barry protection and had Stones and Coleman (one season as right back) who were not schooled over years by Moyes. When you have centre backs we'll into their 30's they are likely to regress.

Many players played the best football of their careers under him especially Coleman who never reached the same levels under various managers who followed.

I am surprised by the headline on here. Seamus was excellent though only asked to defend whereas Jake was motm, was brilliant on the ball and was superb defensively in his natural position on the right of a back three. Thought that would be the headline with a strong mention for Seamus.

I hope we might start seeing more of O'Brien in the centre in the. near future. As admirable as he had been at RB it's not where he really belongs. O'Brien and Branthwaite with their mobility and strength could be perfect as RCB and LCB in a back three (with Keane in the middle ahead of Tark?!) if Moyes wanted to play it; which could even give Patterson an opportunity to play at RCB.

As for Martinez he was brilliant in his first season. Maybe the most enjoyable Everton team I've seen. But things definitely went downhill and the next season he was the first manager to begin our unwanted residency in the bottom half with 11th our lowest finish in almost a decade though that might be explained and excused in part by a great run in Europe. He didn't look much like turning it around however in his third season when he didn't have the impressive European results to help mitigate the bad league form. Spending fairly big on Niasse and Funes Mori did not help and ultimately I was relieved when he left despite the highlights. Will be interesting to see what his next club is.

Who cares?

It wasn't with us.