David Moyes labels second half against Sunderland “abysmal”, calls for more consistency

I find it hard to believe that he is laying the abysmal tag on the players, when he and Irvine saw what we all saw, that Sunderland pressed harder up the pitch and they did nothing to combat that.

Just as Moyes got a tune out of the same players Dyche couldn't, I suspect a different manager could do the same with the players Moyes is criticising. No harm pointing that out.

I'm just shocked, given how trigger happy TFG have been elsewhere, that he is still in this job.

You can’t sink much lower.

When he was manager of Sunderland instead of acquiring young fresh talent he opted to sign:

Darren Gibson

Bryan Oviedo

Joleon Lescott

Steven Pienaar

Victor Anichebe

Ex Everton players all well past it.

That tells you all you need to know about him.

Oh yeah they were relegated also.

As far as I can see it the players automatically go to default defence afte taking a lead and drop far too deep no doubt encouraged by Keane, Tarks and Picks.

Barry was regularly found in his own half so we had no forward outlet and resorted to long boots up the pitch.

To me this is a lack of confidence and coaching so although I am certainly not in the Moyes out camp he is part of the problem currently.

I ask the same question as others when KDH tired notably because he was running around like a headless chicken why not bring Rohl on.

Why bring McNeill, who is not match fit and as slow as hell on to replace Ndiaye when we have Alcaraz and Dibling raring to get an opportunity.

Barry's head dropped visibly when he missed that golden chance why let him carry on. Make a change !!

To the whole team when we take a lead go for the throat while we have the momentum and the home crowd is discontent.

It's all very well saying we were shite for 60 mins, do something about it!. The away fans were singing for Charlie Alcaraz with 30 mins to go but Moyes gives the lad 5 mins.

It's so obvious in every game a prem team will dominate our midfield as soon as we stop passing it and resort to percentage play.

Our whole system is built around kdh. Like the last couple of years it's been Doucoure. If kdh plays well we play well, if not we get overrun.

Moyes has plenty of options across midfield, he should be changing things.
Our best 2 players are wingers so get the ball to both of them asap and then get it back asap once we lose it.

John 6.

When you say Everton you do mean "we" don't you? It makes you sound like your not a fan.

When I talk about other teams I refer to them by their name. When I talk about the blues its
"Us" or "we"

We've just lashed out £40M on him! And so this reveals these aren't his players. So then you wonder, which are his players? Dewsbury-Hall, Grealish. And so we've got £100M of players that the manager doesn't rate.

What a total cock up. And I'm not putting all the blame on Moyes, I fear this transfer committee has left it's mark on us already.

Don't let a Sunderland supporter hear you call him a “Jordie”!

He's a Mackem he's a Blue
He's a Toffee through and through
He hates the Toon
He hates the Shite
Jordan Pickford is Dynamite.

Maybe I should have said Georgies. That would really get them going.

I've never seen a football team before collapse so quickly when controlling a game as we do; it's not a one-off thing either.

It would be interesting to see what our points tally, goal return in the for and against column was at this time last season because it was around early November that it very quickly unravelled for Sean Dyche.

You must be the person who taught Pep, Ferguson, Klopp, Slot, Carlo and all the great managers all they know about management. Well done, mate!

How about dealing with it instead of winging? Change and adapt. Drop the shite strikers for a start. Pickford up front would do a better job.

Other managers find a solution. Moyes is stuck in 2004.

I don't see him being here next season. Ditto Grealish, who's love affair with the club seems to be slipping.

And he decides, because we've a few players away in Africa, that it is a great time to play a C-team and throw that cup too.

Midfield was non-existent in the second-half, both full-backs were awful, along with Tarkowski, Gana and McNeil when he came on.

Why not try Alcaraz up front, put Dibling and Röhl on?

John, we have some of the best supporters in the country who have every right to moan about that performance. What do you want them to do? Clap them and say "Well done, boys" for that awful performance?

We have McNeil for left-midfield cover who can track back and defend and again for me Patterson would make a decent right-midfielder. We have Röhl to fill in when Alcaraz tires and either Gana or Tim if/when we want to be a bit more defensive. Beto scores most of his goals with his feet so stop hoofing it up to him.

As for Barry...? Next...

Many forget that Moyes, when chasing a match down 1-0 or 2-1, would bring in Johnny Heitinga for Phil Neville at DM.

That's the type of manager he is and why it was time for him to go the last time around. He hasn't really changed at all but Dycheball was so turgid and unimaginative that any change would have been an improvement.

But going forward? Moyes won't get us into the top half.

Last night is a good example. We're told Barry's miss was 'ludicrous' and cost us the game. That is patently not true. A poor overall performance by the manager and entire team cost us three points. Barry's miss didn't help however a number of other players didn't turn up. That said we came away with a point against a team currently in the top four. Not the end of the world really, but let's not let that get in the way of another moan fest lads.

I’d be on the lookout now for the next manager. Moyes contract is for this season and one more. I’d be looking to change next summer, but if the owners have an idea of who they want and they are available before then, I think we should just do it.

Moyes is definitely not going to go beyond his current contract, so as long as we think we’re not in danger of relegation, it makes sense to put the long term plan in place as soon as the opportunity arises.

To be clear, this is not a “Moyes out”, ‘he has to go now’ type post, but we should be looking beyond him and identifying the right long-term person. Moyes is showing all of his known weaknesses at the moment and showing no signs of learning and developing. Not too surprising for a 62-year-old really.