Patterson stretchered off in Nations League match

Anyone have any idea what type of injury it was?

Seamus Coleman – come on down!

Other than its fucking typical of our luck. I have a bit of sick in my mouth. Fingers crossed it's not too serious. Bit gutted for him, and us if serious.

Luckily we have only 3 or 4 players going to the stupid World Cup in November.

Poxy international games. Let's hope that Nathan's injury recovery goes well.

McFadden suggesting it's his medial ligament, gutted for the lad as he has been superb this season.

This will test Everton's squad strength and shape, but let's pray for a swift and full recovery for the lad.

Rebranded Nations League by the beyond reproach Michel Platini. We just don't have enough games!!

The thing lost all credibility (if it had any) at the end of the first season when Germany were "relegated" from the top tier for about a week until they decided to revamp it make the top tier bigger so Germany, Iceland and all got a reprieve.

And now, with a World Cup in a little over a month, who gives a crap about the Nations League? Anyone smart would play rubbish players so they get relegated into the easy group and then they can win the spot for every Euros as the best of the complete crap teams.

If that's medial ligament damage, then that's Patterson done for the season.

Looked very much like the Andros Townsend injury last season to me, I hope and pray I'm wrong otherwise it's a season of old man Seamus or square peg in triangular hole Holgate, neither can play that right back role to a high standard anymore for different reasons.

I hate these pointless international breaks so early in the domestic season, it's bad enough this year that we have the Slave Labour World Cup in December without these matches.

I hope not but I'm guessing that is serious.

Ukranian player got away with assault there!!

I have long grumbled about the amount of international football during the club season.

For me, there's only the World Cup (a proper World Cup in the summertime – not when the Christmas decorations are up) or the Euros that will ever gain my attention.

There has always been far too many stop-start breaks, September, October, November, March, there's just too many games of irrelevant meaning.

Now we've potentially lost a key player for a good number of months if it is what we suspect.

Knowing our luck, he will come on and that minor knock will turn into a major injury.

Really hope it's only a short-term injury but judging by the negative responses it has a gut feel of months rather than weeks.

As several have said in this thread, we seem to be cursed, one step forward, two back. I'm sure other teams have similar problems, but it always seems to be us!!!

Also, we have a winter World Cup which has already ruined the fixture schedule anyway….in a country that doesn't play or care about football, let alone human rights, and anyway couldn't fill two stadiums with locals. Industrial scale corruption.

Every single injury on international duty should be compensated for by the national FA and sanctioning body (in this case Uefa). That's all his wages paid for and our league position compensated. It would soon stop all this shite because the bastards couldn't afford it.

If he's done his ankle ligaments, I feel for him as it took me 6 months to run post ATFL reconstruction. And that was in a straight line.

Can't believe it.

In my old age I realise how critical "luck" is in life and, of course, in sport.

Very best wishes to young Nathan.

If he's pointing to inside of knee, it's the meniscus. Could be a tear. If it's a bucket handle tear (displaced) then he wouldn't be walking … did mine a few weeks ago. Absolute mess.

I'd choose ankle injury over knee as you can support it with a boot.

Obviously we don't know the full prognosis of his injury yet, but the good thing is he walked off towards the touchline, before the stretcher was called. I guess by walking off, it would indicate it is only a strain, rather than a tear, so hopefully he won't be missing too long.

We have eight Premier League games and one Carabao Cup game before a 7-week break due to the World Cup. Hopefully his first game back will be Wolves at home on Boxing Day.

I don't know, Seamus looked completely shot at the end of last season, certain games he was so far off it, it became painful watching a long serving player so bad.

But as we say, what are the options?

Coleman going on a Patterson-style run then checking back because he hasn't the legs although as a defender he's still street wise and not many get the better of him.

Got to find another option.

If that's us scoring that goal then it gets ruled out every day of the week.

It seems to hit us more than any other team. I get laughed at when I say this, but someone in past history put a Hex on this club. Things have been generally shite since the late 80s.

I'm interested in John's @29 mention of Stanley Mills having a possible role but, of course, Stanley is very young.

Anyway, it's a challenge we have to meet and I have faith that Ashley Cole and others will do so. We have to be tough.

And yet again it's clubs like us, with weaker squads, that suffer the most when we lose one of our players.

We also now have proper, influential hard cases in the centre of our defence to help marshal things.

Seamus can do a good job if it's 1 game a week but he could do with knocking the internationals on the head so that he is at his maximum. Let's hope it's not a bad one but he didn't walk off – he was stretchered off!

Hopefully Seamus is fit and raring to go. He hasn't had a decent centre-back pair next to him for a while, so maybe he can roll back the years and give Patterson a masterclass over the next couple of months if it's as bad as feared.

James Mcfadden can diagnose an injury from a replay… get him back to Goodison on the medical staff!!!

Fingers crossed for the lad, though – he's been a joy to watch so far this season.

Just please not 3 centre backs. 🙏

Patterson looking the real deal, injured in a Mickey Mouse match. McFadden not an expert, but hope he's right about a medial injury, and it's not too severe, especially with our defensive injuries.

Whereas some teams can field their full-backs 50 times a season for 5 years on the bounce, we cannot.

Fingers crossed that it's not a very serious one.

Another meaningless international game... another injury to someone who's become a key first-team player.

Why is it always us?

Let's hope it's basically just something tweaked and the lad is sensibly being acutely sensitive about it following his ankle injury.

Never fails in these darned internationals.

I also hate these shitty internationals. So close to the World Cup – it's ridiculous.

Yet another meaningless, useless game signed off by a corrupt body only interested in lining their own pockets.

Is it people putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 5 because he was omitted on Sunday?

like Gomes got back from that???

It's a good thing no-one ever thought he was a liability ever after...

Can we buy someone for it? How far away are Holgate and Mina from being back? No news on them?

22 players on the pitch; I say to my son, "I hope Patterson doesn't get injured." 20 minutes later... bang, oh what a surprise.

And the fucking idiot trainers are walking him off the pitch to put him back on again. Over 10 minutes before he left the side of the pitch on a trolly stretcher! Cursed we are.

I assume Vinagre couldn't switch to the right?

It was that bastard Aldridge that done Southall. He went up under him that caused the awkward landing. Cost us the double that fucker, was he playing for Oxford at the time?

I'm gutted for him and for us. Praying it's a lesser injury than it looks.

To make matters worse, young Patterson's likely deputy seems likely to play for Ireland this weekend. Surely the club has the right and responsibility to manage game time for its players?

Holgate, unfortunately, is probably the better bet at right-back.

Hopefully Patterson is not out for long. If he can stay fit, he's going to be an absolutely tremendous player for us.

The Nations League was introduced to keep an element of competitiveness in these matches. If it didn't exist, there would still have been an international break to allow the national managers to complete their pre-tournament selection and tactical issues sorted.

The problem with this year is that the various national bodies allowed this clearly corrupt World cup to go ahead. This made the timing of the international break and the need for ambitious players to play in the warm-up games so awkward.

It is too late now to change things but, if the big Euro leagues had said they would not release players for this tournament at the outset, the rest of the world would have followed. FIFA would have lost its corrupt monopoly of the game.

Shouldn't the club be heavily compensated by the organising body? If not, clubs should refuse to release players for this kind of competition (including international friendlies).

I get players want to achieve the honour of representing their country, but surely this should be in some meaningful competition?

Clubs invest a lot of money in acquiring and developing players to compete in the Premier League, that's where the big money is and their bread and butter, so to have that undermined by serious injuries to key players in this sort of competition is mind-bogglingly stupid to me.

Rant over.

The huge ironic riposte to your rant is that the powers that be, who govern football and maintain the parallel career paths for club and country, invented this not-quite meaningless competition precisely because of the opposition to meaningless international friendlies.

And more competition, perhaps inevitably, seems to increase the risk of more injuries.

Luckily we have Coleman to come in – not the Seamus of a few years back but he can still do a job for the team while Patterson recovers.

I see the Bobble was saying that Calvert-Lewin has a slight groin injury now, I guess that's why he didn't make the bench for the West Ham game.

Those on here saying we will make do is exactly that. Making do should be our motto.

We have to somehow find a clever real option to Patterson – not a full-back who is well past it.

He had just had a little laugh and joke with McFadden about having Nunez in his pocket during the Merseyside derby. Whilst I was watching it, I was genuinely thinking that someone from the Devil's club will be wishing a little bad on you now, Nathan.

We are going to get injuries of course, but our current revival has been built on a solid, unchanging, back four. Having said that, Coleman is probably the best cover we have at the back right now – I'd be more worried if Coady was injured at this stage.

Of course, Coleman is with Ireland at the moment, so the chances of him coming back fit are no better than 50-50.

"According to the Daily Record, Patterson is now on his way back to Everton for a scan so that the Goodison Park club can determine the extent of the injury."

That doesn't sound too good, sad to say.

Yes but they didn't get it right, did they? Simply added another competition and we still have meaningless international friendlies, adding up to 60+ games a season for players at top clubs.

As you say, more competitions will increase the chance of injury and it is the club that pays the price. I suspect the opportunity of another way of screwing money out of football supporters may have had some influence.

Am I a cynic or a realist?

Well, whether these tournaments are really important, we've got to send players, haven't we, unless they're injured or sick. In one way, it's good to see our players wanted; but there's always that chance of injury. I think the countries can send their own doctors if there are doubts. Not sure though.

Good job that Seamus is fit and ready. Though it might mean a reorganisation again.

"A grade 1 (mild) MCL tear usually heals within one to three weeks. A grade 2 (moderate) MCL tear generally takes four to six weeks to heal with treatment. A grade 3 (severe) MCL tear can take six weeks or more to heal with treatment."
But we don't know if it is an MCL.

Dominic had an LCL and that was predicted to be a 3-month absence in some quarters.

We wait, hope, and cross our fingers

As for young Patterson, it is a real shame as the lad is showing his quality and potential. I suspect that we will see some goals from him in the future.

Yes, the players are contracted to clubs for their 'bread and butter'... but they all seem to say that playing for their respective countries is the pinnacle of achievement for their careers, and very few appear to turn down the honour, if selected.

My perception is that most players want to play, but they do plenty of training thank you very much, and what they really want to do is play in competitive matches. Be that for club or country. As I say, they see it as an honour and a privilege to be selected.

Whereas we fans see it as an annoyance, an interference in the priority games for clubs that are paying the wages. And maddening if they get injured. Ah, but them wages have to come from somewhere. That's mostly club income – only a part of which is funded by gate money.

And what about the gate money for internationals then? Is that a driver in setting the competitive international fixture schedules? Rather I think it's the imperative of the competitions themselves: World Cup; Euros; Copa America; Afcon... yes, Nations League.

The games themselves cost money to organize, stage, police, etc. And yes, a chunk of money is going to go to the participating National Football Associations... to be used for what? Paying the salaries of officials who need to be bribed to vote for staging the World Cup in Qatar (allegedly)?

Realist or cynic? I think you have to be a bit of both or you'd go mad!!!

Please don't confuse me with the facts, I enjoy a little rant when one of our players are injured in these “minor“ competitions, particularly after the fairly miserable couple of seasons we have had, and the fact that we now seem to be putting a reasonable squad together, only to have it disrupted in this way.

Perhaps I'll consider ditching cynic to become a lateral thinker!

I hope Patterson is only out short term, but to say Coleman is so poor for us defensively and as an attacking threat, is totally wrong.

In case you have forgotten, Coleman is nearly 33 and last season he played nearly every game, even when he was carrying an injury. If he had a break, fair enough, but he never got a chance of a rest, which is not fair on him at his age.

I agree about knee injuries after years of too many of them. 5-a-side seemed to be the worst for them. It's always great when you felt you'd shaken them off but now, at 61, I do feel them.

Good luck to Patterson.

Hopefully at worst it's the 9 games before the World Cup, in which case, as you say, we should be covered. We only have two midweek games in that period so, if Seamus can't handle two a week, we should be able to survive two games with AN Other.

Mystery solved

Link

It might not sound as mad as it initially does. I remember seeing him play as a right back a few years ago - he did a decent job, and for some reason centre midfield and RB do seem to be interchangeable to a degree - Snodin, Harper and Neville for example.

Just a thought!

Thanks for that. As a dog owner I lost sleep not knowing the true reason.

Hope I'm wrong as Patterson was starting to settle and show a bit of form.

I see already speculation that Onana won't be with us too long due to the impressive start!

If he is out for a while, one of two things is likely to happen: one is we stick with a flat back 4 and Seamus can slot into that system, perhaps with us looking to the left-bck position as more of an attacking outlet.

The other is that Frank might want to switch to wingbacks again (I can hear the groans already), in which case, either Iwobi or Mills could fill in. We could see the birth of Mills's Everton career. If it's Iwobi, then Doucouré can fill in in midfield, a poor deputy in my eyes but it's all about opinions, eh.

I think Seamus will fill in okay, and give his all as usual, as long as he can stay fit. Especially so as our third choice emergency right-back Holgate is still out.

Many others would prefer Coleman, but he lacks the pace and stamina to get up and down on the right side.

I don't think Kyle John has been on the bench or played for the first team yet.

If any U21 were to be put at right-back as a temporary measure, it could be Mills??

COYBs

Thelwell will be on the lookout for right-backs that don't get injured, like he was for durable centre-backs this summer.

Also astonishes me how people want to plug in untried rookies or out-of-position teenagers for a vital defensive role... instead of the club captain who helped keep us up.

Seamus will be just fine. He's 34, not 64. Geez.

Has sports science developed to a point where it's able to predict that a player won't get injured?! Really?! Those sports scientists must be big earners if they can do that.

Meanwhile, Frank said pre-season "hopefully Patts can step up until Seamus is fit." Which implies that he saw Coleman as the starter.

Since then obviously Patts more than stepped up and put Seamus on the bench. Therefore, there should be few qualms about Seamus "stepping in".

Certainly different in the US... if a player is hurt in an evening game the coach has an update for his morning press conference.

Appearance record for Conor Coady in the Premier League:

18-19 - 38
19-20 - 38
20-21 - 37 (couldn't play the one game due to + covid test)
21-22 - 38

Appearance record for James Tarkowski in the premier league:

18-19 - 35
19-20 - 38
20-21 - 36
21-22 - 35

Not much science required to predict how likely players are to get injured and why those 2 were drafted in, and why Thelwell will be eyeing up right-backs if that is another serious injury for Patterson.

Comprende?

Kyle John has played in preseason matches for the first team, and looks a far better prospect than Coleman, who has slowed down considerably.

"It looks like he's a bit of a sicknote, and he may not be the long-term solution for the right-back position." I can't see from his past record that he's had injury issues. Did he have issues at his previous club?

Stoke 80-81-40 games

“. 81-82 -42 games

“. 82-83 -41 games

Sunderland 83-84 - 38 league games(less teams)

Everton 84-85 - 37 league games

“ 85-86 - 38 league ga

It just takes 1 tackle from a shithouse like Billy Whitehurst to sideline a virtual ever present for the next 2 seasons.

I remember Man Utd fans saying Giggs was a sicknote when he was 19 or 20. Thought it was better to give time to Lee Sharpe. How right they were to write off that useless Giggsy…

"Kyle John has played in preseason matches for the first team".

Ah, ok. I'd forgotten about that. I actually like Kyle John, Steavey; love the way he bombs forward down that right wing – though if he were to step into the first team, I'm sure he'd be told to sit.

"and looks a far better prospect than Coleman, who has slowed down considerably."

[I know you didn't mean it this way but...] I'm sure Coleman is no longer a prospect! I watched Coleman play the first 45 minutes in a U21 game earlier in the season and, even though still regaining fitness, he stood out a mile.

Jeff and Kieran - quite.

My question at #129 is serious (Michael) - I can't see anything about previous injuries for Patterson at Rangers. Am I missing something?

He was for Wales and then had the cheek to manage them!

That is certainly true.

He's only been with us since January and this will, by the looks of it, be his second extended period out of the side. His durability surely has to come into question on that basis. Don't think he played that much for Rangers.

A previously good injury record is no guarantee of avoiding future injury, but it sure improves your chances of it. In the same way that a previously bad injury record makes a future injury more likely. I will use Yerry Mina as Exhibit A for that last statement.

Does it? Why?

But I do hate that term "sicknote". Usually used to imply somebody is faking it. I know you don't mean it that way.

That depends on how you are defining future injury .

If you mean one that is a recurrence or consequence of previous injury, or from some sort of physiological abnormality that makes an individual more at risk, then it's obvious.

If you mean an injury that is completely unrelated to previous ones, then it's just not true.

I think most people would judge there is just not enough clear data available on Patterson to start making conclusions. If the two injuries are unrelated, there is no pattern.

Several reports, including one from the Red Echo, indicate that Patterson will be out for up to 6 weeks. Seeing as this pretty much takes us up to the break due to the World Cup, it does look like he will be back in time for the return of the Premier League on Boxing Day.

Everton games Nathan Patterson could miss after injury diagnosis reported