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Tottenham 4 - 0 Everton

Despite having not played a minute at first-team level before today, Roman Dixon was handed his debut and acquitted himself well against top-class opposition

Everton continued their horrendous start to the season with a 4-0 drubbing at Tottenham as Sean Dyche’s injury problems were compounded by mistakes at the back and almost non-existent threat up front.

With Ashley Young suspended and all three of Seamus Coleman, Nathan Patterson and James Garner ruled out, 19-year Roman Dixon was pitched into his senior debut and emerged as one of the few positives on another chastening afternoon for the Blues.

They couldn’t deal with Spurs’ early energy, fell behind before a quarter of an hour had elapsed and were effectively dead and buried by half-time at 2-0 down following a howler from Jordan Pickford in a game that threatened at times to be an echo of April's 6-0 loss to Chelsea at Stamford Bridge.

Iliman Ndiaye and Jesper Lindstrøm, withheld from the starting XI again by the manager, came off the bench in the second half to offer some brief hope before the hosts pressed home their clear superiority in the closing stages to double their lead.

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Though rated as doubtful before the game having not trained in the week because of a minor hamstring complaint, James Tarkowski started alongside Michael Keane with Jake O’Brien once again an unused substitute while Dixon deputised for Young at right-back.

Tim Iroegbunam partnered Idrissa Gueye in central midfield but the pair could not win the battle in that part of the pitch with Tottenham a yard quicker in thought and deed in all areas while Dominic Calvert-Lewin toiled fruitlessly up front with precious little service.

Spurs could have been 2-0 up inside 10 minutes but Pickford parried a shot from Christian Romero in the third minute and was there again to push away a deflected effort from Son Hueng-Min in the sixth.

What resistance Everton had put up broke not long afterwards, however, as Dejan Kulusevski twisted and turned Vitalii Mykolenko in knots inside the box before laying the ball off to the unmarked Yves Bissouma who thundered it in off the underside of the crossbar from 18 yards out.

The visitors, playing not in blue but in this season’s black away kit, could have levelled just three minutes later but, having temporarily switched flanks with Dwight McNeil, Jack Harrison’s composure deserted him. The winger arrived at the back post to meet McNeil’s deep cross from the right but sliced a weak volley wide.

Eight minutes later, it was 2-0. An Everton throw-in near the halfway line went backwards rather than forwards, with Tarkowski passing back to Pickford who unwisely took a touch to open up the angle for a left-footed clearance but was easily caught by Son who robbed him of the ball and slotted into the empty net.

The Blues had a couple of half-openings before the interval, first when McNeil tried to pick out Calvert-Lewin in the centre with an early cross but the striker couldn’t get sufficient purchase on his header and then when McNeil’s shot from the angle was blocked behind and Abdoulaye Doucouré tried to bundle the ball home from a corner but James Maddison cleared it from out of his own goalmouth.

Spurs, who had gone close in first-half stoppage time when Pedro Porro curled a left-foot shot narrowly over the angle of crossbar and post, almost gifted Everton a way back into the contest 12 minutes into the second period after Ndiaye and Lindstrøm had been introduced.

McNeil intercepted a pass deep in the hosts’ half, slalomed his way into the area and knocked it into the path of Lindstrøm but the Dane’s crisp shot was pushed away by Vicario.

Despite the increased threat from Dyche’s side, Tottenham remained the stronger of the two teams and after Maddison had drilled a direct free-kick wide of goal, they increased their lead with 20 minutes left. Maddison whipped in a corner and with Pickford rooted to his line, Romero rose between Keane and Tarkowski to power a header in off the bar.

Dyche then threw Beto on for Calvert-Lewin but it was 4-0 shortly afterwards. Micky van der Ven seized on McNeil’s attempt to thread the needle on the edge of Tottenham’s area and surged straight down the middle of the pitch before teeing up Son. The South Korean was clinical, drawing Pickford towards him and then drilling the ball through the goalkeeper’s legs.

Another hugely promising youngster in the form of 17-year-old Harrison Armstrong came on for his first-team debut and created an awkward moment for Romero in front of his goal with a strong cross from the right but there would be no consolation goal on the day for Everton who have lost their first two games of the season by an aggregate of 7-0.

Dyche spoke again afterwards of his players needing to eliminate mistakes that are gifting teams crucial goals and bemoaned the lack of killer instinct in forward areas but his team looks woefully short on confidence and ideas, all the while grappling with injuries to key players and a shortage of strength in central midfield.

The League Cup tie against Doncaster on Tuesday provides an opportunity to generate some optimism while also giving the likes of Lindstrøm, Ndiaye and O’Brien a chance to impress but the home clash with Bournemouth next weekend has taken on additional importance in terms of both performance and the result with Everton bottom of the early Premier League table.

 

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Steve Brown
1 Posted 22/08/2024 at 13:10:58
Trippier is far too young for Everton - he's only 33 years old.
Mark Andrews
2 Posted 24/08/2024 at 19:46:21
Imagine being Dyche.

Absolutely awful but as safe as houses by virtue of no-one being in charge of the club and no money to pay him off.

Brent Stephens
3 Posted 24/08/2024 at 19:57:12
A fair report, Lyndon. Depressing but fair.

The positives and cause for hope for me were Dixon at right-back, and Armstrong towards the end. I'd also expect more in the future from Ndiaye and Lindstrøm.

With Branthwaite and Garner coming back, and O'Brien surely with a future, dare I hope?

Peter Fearon
4 Posted 24/08/2024 at 20:12:23
Sean Dyche appeared to blame, in part, the sale of Onana for the slump in form to start the season, a comment than can only be greeted with ribald laughter.

The truth is that Dyche's record at Everton is not better and in one or two instances, significantly worse than the posse of managers who have come and gone since Moyes left.

However, his record at Everton matches almost perfectly his own career record, losing more often than he wins and winning on average only about 1 in 3 or 4 matches.

It does not seem to occur to him that this is his team selection, his tactics, his training regimen producing these results and that perhaps he may be doing something wrong.

I think that, if Textor comes in, Dyche's feet won't touch the floor on the way out… and will anyone really miss him?

Onana said that he enjoys playing for Unai Emery because he will help improve his game. Can you imagine anyone other than a centre-half saying that about Dyche? I can't.

We need a seasoned coach who will guide players to producing their best.

Pete Gunby
5 Posted 24/08/2024 at 20:13:25
Agree with Brent.

Put in the new players before they get ruined by whatever it is Dyche does in practice.

Jim Bennings
6 Posted 24/08/2024 at 20:39:37
Baines
Coleman
McCarthy
Barry
Barkley
Pienaar
Mirallas
Lukaku

Gana
Sigurdsson
Richarlison
Bernard
Rodriguez
Digne
Gordon
Gray
Townsend

McNeil
Harrison
Garner
Iroegbunman
Doucoure
Ndiaye
Lindstrom
Calvert-Lewin
Beto
Chermiti

Can we see it?

The three groups of players that have been the core of the club since 2014?

In 10 years we've gradually reduced the quality we've been serving up, much like the food quality at a restaurant, if the quality of product keeps reducing over time then the institution will close down and cease to do business.

Paul Birmingham
7 Posted 24/08/2024 at 20:43:04
Taking into account that Der Kaiser and his presence is badly missed in the squad, the real positive was Dixon, who done himself proud.

Reality in the fact it's 7 conceded in 2 games,is a tough pill to take, but today was a tough fixture.

Hopefully v Doncaster, this can be a moral booster for what is a massive 3 points v Bournemouth.

Fred Quick
8 Posted 24/08/2024 at 20:58:31
What is it about Bournemouth? Almost every time they are upcoming to play, Everton has an awful lot riding on it. I blame their promotion to the Premier League as I'm sure it coincided with the beginning of Everton's demise.

Possibly a little unfair to blame our problems on the Cherries. Although two-up at half-time 28 Novermber 2015, via Funes Mori and Lukaku and late in the game, we thought we'd won 3-2, only to concede an even later equaliser, a 98th-minute goal by Stanislas.

The team that day:
Howard, Coleman, Stones, Funes Mori, Galloway, McCarthy (Cleverley), Barry, Deulofeu (Lennon), Barkley, Kone (Gibson) and Lukaku.

I'm insisting that the Bournemouth game was a major turning point in our history and we haven't been the same since.

Tommy Carter
10 Posted 24/08/2024 at 21:42:15
Dyche's stubbornness has been his undoing here.

His results are two defeats from two games. He literally couldn't have had two worse results. Given that we now know his team selections have returned those results, we can definitely say that a team featuring O'Brien, Ndiaye and Lindstrøm could not have possibly done any worse.

He keeps referencing ‘experience' as reasons to select poor players. They are experienced — experienced losers.

If the recruitment of these new players was done without his agreement and this is his way of trying to prove some kind of point, then it will cost him his job I'm afraid.

The fact he is insistent that Michael Keane is a Premier League player tells me he can't pick a player. In fact, throughout his managerial career, I cannot think of many players he's ever managed that have gone on to any kind of top level. Trippier maybe, and he didn't buy him, Eddie Howe did.

Ian McAvoy
11 Posted 24/08/2024 at 21:45:53
When you start to offload your best players, bring in inferior cheaper versions, and have a manager with limited tactical ability added to a front office that isn't involved in technical operations, and ownership that doesn't care anymore and are no longer funding the club, you have to turn to young hungry talent that will improve. Not average mercenaries looking for Premier League wages.

When Branthwaite and the others come back from injury, they will improve but it's time to banish some of these players to the reserves and offload them. When you shop in the bargain basement, you normally get inferior cast-offs. I feel sorry for the club but the owner has really destroyed it.

Dan Parker
12 Posted 24/08/2024 at 21:47:31
Still behind Dyche and Thelwell, completely unsupported and thrown under the bus by our absent owner that couldn't sell $1 lemonade to an old lady.
Stuart Sharp
13 Posted 24/08/2024 at 21:51:58
I've defended Dyche many times and think some people have short memories and little perspective. However, today there is simply no defence (ironically).

The only vague positive is that he chose Dixon over Holgate. Otherwise, it's just another piece of evidence that the doom boys might actually be right this time.

Billy Shears
14 Posted 24/08/2024 at 22:16:20
Can we all please now accept the truth... that our young players just wanna fucking play!!! They just need a chance to shine and be given plenty of time to integrate into the side.

It's our experienced players that are the problem... so bollock them all... privately, eh, Sean.

Ian Linn
15 Posted 24/08/2024 at 22:19:42
Well that was a bag of shite. Not helped by that howler from Pickford but we looked well off the pace.

Midfield was anonymous, Calvert-Lewin isolated up front; we looked marginally better when the subs came on. Not panicking yet but we're gonna have to do a whole lot better than that woeful display.

Olalekan Taofik
16 Posted 24/08/2024 at 22:21:15
Hopefully, there will be a turnaround against Bournemouth.

And congrats to our right-back for his senior debut.

I am quite moody after the game here in Lagos, Nigeria.
Very, very unfortunate.

Ian Linn
17 Posted 24/08/2024 at 22:42:55
Olalekan,

Yeah, I forgot that, thought the lad did well.

Sean Kearns
18 Posted 24/08/2024 at 22:43:07
Who gives a fuck about Michael Keane's bloody feelings!
Just start O'Brien… it literally couldn't have gone any worse. The lad scored two in pre-season and set pieces seem our only way to a goal.

What a right infuriating ginger twat! But I do think he'll keep us up and have confidence in him! I'm so torn!!!…

Pickford is a shithouse and is around 30% of our problem. He's not as good as everyone thinks. He took Sunderland down and almost took us down 3 times. England bail him out because it's a team of superstars and he's the teacher's pet.

I want a 6'-6” cool bastard who comes for crosses all day… Bin Jordan now while his stock is [somehow] still high.

Mal van Schaick
19 Posted 24/08/2024 at 23:03:13
Dyche claims that the new signings need time for Premier League experience, and yet plays a rookie right-back. It doesn't add up and sounds like bullshit.

We are at home to Bournemouth next week; do your job, get your team selection and tactics right instead of "woe is me".

John Raftery
20 Posted 24/08/2024 at 23:07:50
Sean (18),

How exactly are we going to ‘bin' Jordan? Who will replace him?

Andy Crooks
21 Posted 24/08/2024 at 23:22:23
The most disappointing thing is the fact that I can't imagine most of these players as winners.

I'll be interested to hear from those there if there was anything to take from it.

Sean Kearns
22 Posted 24/08/2024 at 23:27:37
Begovic will do for me…

Or we sign Ramsdale.

Don Alexander
23 Posted 24/08/2024 at 23:29:18
First off, we are in no way "Dyche's Everton".

As if!

The last two results are a mere consequence of the owner/boardroom organised demise of our great club.

It's been going on for decades but it's now getting worse by the day, and hope therefore diminishes accordingly, both within and without the club.

I heard today that Everton haven't won a game in any of the last three Augusts. Sounds about right.

Dyche was in post for just the last of them.

Before him, under Moshiri and his very own much-trusted Kenwright, we had Lampard, Benitez, Ancelotti, Silva and Koeman through the various Augusts - results perishing from a very bog-standard start.

So, we're very, very skint under Moshiri, and will be for years to come even after he buggers off, given the antics of him and his trusted one.

But let's all bollock the admittedly massively hampered manager eh....... like it's all his fault?

Nah!

Rob Jones
24 Posted 24/08/2024 at 23:30:40
Sean, are you out of your mind?

Pickford kept us in the Premier League for the past 3 years

There's a lot of bullshit posted about Jordan Pickford. His mistake yesterday was unfortunate. But it was just that: a mistake.

Jordan Pickford, more than anybody else, has kept Everton a Premier League football club since 2021. Some of the abuse he received on here, while it's stuff he'll never read, was unacceptable. It smacked of ingratitude and stupidity. Do better.

Sean Kearns
25 Posted 24/08/2024 at 23:34:45
Nah, lad, I reckon he's part of the reason we are even down there. Keeps us under pressure by not coming for crosses.

And he's mental — always pointing at his own head and saying things to our defenders that seem to be inaudible as he's mostly just talking to himself…

All opinions; I value everyone else's too. I just don't think he's as good as it all seems, that's all… and he's a wool with a twatty haircut! 🤷🏻‍♂️

Fred Quick
27 Posted 24/08/2024 at 23:46:50
Don @23,

There's a lot of truth that the off-field shenanigans are having a major adverse effect on the footballing aspect at the club, but it is the manager's job to navigate a way through that. I know the Premier League is tough, and that Everton are currently one of the poorer teams in the league, but that doesn't mean we should just accept our apparent fate.

The fans didn't put all of their energy into the last two or three survival seasons to see the team disintegrate before their eyes and watch on as the boss moans and groans about lack of money, lack of support from the fans etc. He should take a leaf out of Lampard's book in ensuring that the fans stay onside and he could do that if he wanted to.

In Dyche's recent utterances, I'm not sure whether he's blaming people within the club or whether he believes the fans are being unrealistic in their expectations. I don't know any Evertonian in person or on forums such as this, who expects us to make Europe anytime soon, in fact most of us would snap your hands off if we could guarantee finishing anywhere outside of the Bottom 3.

We are also aware that failing to create chances in too many games will make the season a long and arduous one. The current defensive frailties can be fixed, if and when the injuries to important players subside.

I don't know where Dyche is getting the idea that the club and its fans aren't humble enough for his liking, but just because we're not a small town club like Burnley doesn't mean we as supporters aren't very aware of what we are and where we are.

Don Alexander
28 Posted 24/08/2024 at 00:49:19
Fred, £millionaire Mr Dyche has, from shortly after he signed on, gone on record saying he had no idea as to the actual parlous state of our club compared to what he was told by whomever signed him (Brands was sacked for less of course).

But he was already loaded and almost certainly will be again, as is the case with just about every Premier League player, manager and coach — accomplished or not.

It therefore stands to reason that, if or when Dyche gets the boot, the only candidates to replace him will be spent forces once again seized upon by Moshiri as a genuine saviour to his exorbitant losses and fatuous attempt to somehow add value to the financial crock of shit he's delivered in spades to himself and every Toffee for years and years to come.

Dyche and other football "professionals" just won't lose. That's our role, of course.

Rob Halligan
29 Posted 25/08/2024 at 01:00:49
Andy # 21…

The only thing to take from that game was the debut of Roman Dixon, who I thought had an excellent game. Some of his tackling was first class and, although he gave the ball away once or twice, he did as well as could be expected for his first game. I'm sure he will be an able stand-in right-back, and who knows, make the position his own?

Other than that, well the least said the better. An absolute brain-stormer from Pickford just about summed up the afternoon. Why on earth let the ball run across him, knowing full well he was being closed down by Son? Clear the ball first time, for fuck's sake!

And then McNeil, as soon as he fucked up in the centre of the field, you just knew from the breakaway they would score. Cue a mass exodus of blues fans, us included, and it's very rare that I would leave a game before the end.

But how much can we take? There was no threat up front whatsoever. We had a mini spell of pressure, forcing about three or four corners on the bounce, which ultimately led to nothing. Calvert-Lewin yet again on his lonesome up front.

Doucoure might as well have come and sat with us in the stands, because he was totally innocuous all match. Gueye and Iroegbunam showed plenty of effort, and overall were probably our best players.

So a disappointing performance led to a lengthy journey home. A right cock-up with the trains led to some cancellations and / or delays out of Euston. All because of bloody cows on the lines!! Our train was delayed nearly an hour, and then seemed to take its time heading north. I eventually got home just after midnight.

I said after last Saturday, that we can't be having too many performances like that, and I will say it again, we definitely cannot have any more performances like today.

Only two games in, and I'm hearing that Paddy Power are already paying out on anyone who's backed us to go down. So come on Everton, make Paddy Power lose an absolute fortune in payouts and prove him wrong!

Simon Crosbie
30 Posted 25/08/2024 at 01:02:35
The term we use in Australia is 'we don't have the cattle'. In other words, we don't have enough quality players. They are either too old, too inexperienced, or at a talent level just below the required standard.

On top of that, we have a manager whose recent experience points to a perpetual state of teetering on the edge of survival, reflected most notably in his tactical style. No wonder the quality players that remain want to abandon ship.

I agree with Don @23. The appalling decision-making of Moshiri at every level has brought this club to its knees. Players and players' agents watch games and read the newspapers. Why would you want to come to a club that is in a hopeless mess?

Simon Dalzell
31 Posted 25/08/2024 at 01:12:02
I hate Dyche.

Don't get me wrong. Only in a Football context. Negative, Clueless. Outdated Shit-bag.

Burnley were the Pits of the Earth. No surprise that we are.

Ant Purcell
32 Posted 25/08/2024 at 01:31:55
Right wwe asked the manager 2 play Dixon today so he did it blame not on dyche wake fuckin hell up problem runs very very deeply in the fuckin club been fucked for years since those wankers across the park done us in 80s put us back years
Ant Purcell
33 Posted 25/08/2024 at 01:36:30
Danny O'Neil and the lads are our top bloody fans, you live and die by the Blues. They do not deserve you lads, no way.

But today was all wrong, we're not done after just two games in. Finished? I ain't listening to that…

Don Alexander
34 Posted 25/08/2024 at 04:14:34
Simon (#30),

These inadequate players and their rapacious agents have for years come to us in droves precisely because they correctly identified Kenwright as the knob he always was, but newly endowed with a dickhead fortune from Moshiri and his string-puller since 2016.

Inadequate and rapacious people couldn't believe their luck. They signed in droves and then sat back with their mega-contracts providing them with a dream world without the sweat of actual performance on the pitch, and who can blame them?

The training ground made it crystal clear to these inadequates that every one but them, in their own opulently well-off mind, was inadequate — so what was the point of trying and risking mega-wealthy career-ending injury in favour of such a forlorn cause as Everton?

Many of us realised it at the time but even now, after getting rid of tons of what we all term "deadwood", we're still swamped as a club by even more deadwood. We've long been sussed as a decades-long soft touch by the real sharks running successful clubs.

If you didn't know better, you'd think those allegedly in charge of our beloved club have for decades been the very personification of inept-to-a-mega-extent (caveat - but with only one decades-responsible shyster having become more than very wealthy as a direct result of Moshiri's gross ineptitude, at our continuing expense).

Dyche and Thelwell have a mountain to climb to avoid relegation before we move into a state-of-the-art but never-to-be-owned-by-the-club stadium.

In short, courtesy of Kenwright, his controllers, and Moshiri and his controller, we're fucked for years to come in terms of trophy-winning, and everyone in high-end football has long since realised that.

It's just more than sad that Moshiri is not among their number — and Kenwright never was either.

Paul Ferry
35 Posted 25/08/2024 at 06:29:05
Rob H: "Cue a mass exodus of blues fans, us included, and it's very rare that I would leave a game before the end. But how much can we take?"

Respect mate. If you are feeling like that then we should all be worried. Is it any surprise that the members of the 3,000 on here are among our most loyal, reasoned, and must-read posters.

And at the other end of the spectrum we have the deeply thoughtful and articulate remarks of Sean Kearns:

"Pickford is a shithouse and is around 30% of our problem … Begovic will do for me… or we sign Ramsdale … and he's [JP] a wool with a twatty haircut 🤷🏻‍♂️".

Ramsdale, who has a bigger reputation than Jordan for brain-farts like the one we saw yesterday!

"Shithouse ... wool ... twatty haircut".

Admittedly, we are dealing with a very high and deep level of analysis here that covers all the main points.

And you think Jordan is an under-performing joke shithouse Sean?

Jim Bennings
36 Posted 25/08/2024 at 06:30:50
Don,

You are so right about that.

There's not another club in the Premier League that would allow players like we have over the years hang around stealing a wage for so long.

We put trust in players that were finished years ago primarily because we have become like a sentimental charity.

It's little wonder really that we are where we are in this present day.

Paul Ferry
37 Posted 25/08/2024 at 07:39:44
Sean Kearns, in the interest of full disclosure, you also forgot to mention that Jordan made three top saves before the first goal.

So, in your weird world he was 0-0 today.

Frank Sheppard
38 Posted 25/08/2024 at 08:03:05
Perspective time:

We are only two games in… have only one point less than we could have realistically expected… have scored one less goal than we could have realistically expected.

We are not doomed… we are a struggling Premier League club.

Derek Knox
39 Posted 25/08/2024 at 08:08:52
Don @ various posts,…

While I generally agree with most of your posts, especially denigrating the Maggot and the long-lasting damage he has imposed on the club he purportedly 'loved', I do lay some culpability with Dyche's team selection.

Doucoure has been a passenger for as long as I remember — pops up every now and then with a conveniently important goal, then morphs back into 'Gravy Train Stowaway'.

Harrison will run all day like a Duracell Bunny on 'speed' without producing much at all. It beggars belief why we re-activated his loan, and not cheaply either.

Keane, well past it, that is if he ever had it in the first place, and well guilty of a potential mistake in every match, should only be used in emergencies, till he is no longer sapping our wage bill.

With the exception of Harrison, Dyche has had no say whatsoever in the signing or acquisition of these players, yet is wheeling them out. Okay, we are very thin as a squad, but it's not as if we had no alternatives.

Young Roman Dixon proved that giving youth a chance in desperate situations can and does pay off, even when on the losing side.

O'Brien for Keane (unused sub) Lindstrøm for Harrison, although introduced when the death sentence had been passed. Ndiaye for Doucoure, again introduced when even Harry Potter couldn't have changed the outcome!

These are all simple questions/observations levelled at Dyche, plus throw in his timing of subs, who admittedly has been sold a crock of shit and given no support from that greedy Anglo-Iranian dodgy dealer, who, like The Maggot was, is only interested in what's in it for him.

The club and team is secondary to that mercenary despicable character. So, while many of us share some sympathy for Dyche, he is totally to blame for his first two team selections, when although limited, did have other, and better options available.

Kevin Edward
40 Posted 25/08/2024 at 08:12:33
Seems the good work of being effective and organised in defence has been undone during the pre-season. Not sure if it's all on Dyche, but he's responsible. We'll know more after Bournemouth, it's a game we should expect to win.

But as has always been the case over the last few years, they will come to Goodison on a mission to pile pressure on our fans and players.

The only hope is that home vs Bournemouth is more of a Dyche type of fixture, clearly now he's out of his depth against top 10 teams (stretching to top 15 likely).

We have just lost badly, really need some evidence of hope on Tuesday.

Paul Ferry
41 Posted 25/08/2024 at 08:12:52
Frank, sorry and with respect, this is utter BS:

We "have only one point less than we could have realistically expected…… have scored one less goal than we could have realistically expected".

I empathise in that we want to stay calm and have hope but that one-point one-goal comedy routine is not the way to do it.

With those expectations we might kick off at the Dock against Oxford United.

How low will we go to try to be sunny?

Appreciate the effort mate, but ....

Jimmy Carr
42 Posted 25/08/2024 at 08:18:44
Our club is listing at sea at the moment; throwing the captain overboard wouldn't exactly be a good idea.
James Hughes
43 Posted 25/08/2024 at 08:47:46
Yes, we have been signing too many poor players and throwing money around.

The one that still gets me was signing Jonas Lossl as third-choice keeper. His wage went from £15k to £37k a week and the only time he set foot on the pitch was for the warm-up.

That was another Brands signing.

Rob Dolby
44 Posted 25/08/2024 at 09:08:45
I was fully expecting a defeat today, I also didn't think we would win last week.

It's not the result that is worrying at this stage of the season, it's the lack of chances being created.

This time last season, we were creating loads of half chances and not taking them; this season, we aren't creating anything which is a massive worry.

Doucoure is a passenger which is a big worry as the system is built around him and his energy.

Glad to see Dixon getting a game instead of Holgate and Armstrong getting a few minutes.

We will look better when Branthwaite and Garner come back into the team.

Andy Meighan
45 Posted 25/08/2024 at 09:27:50
He'll bring in the new signings on Tuesday against Doncaster, a game which we should win and I think we will.

But come Saturday against Bournemouth, it'll be the same old story: his mates will be brought back in.

I've just watched his presser after the match yesterday and while he was right that Spurs have invested heavily, does that mean, Dixon apart, we have to stand off them and admire them?

No it doesn't, throw some tasty tackles in and let them know they're in a game. No, we do the opposite.

I just hope to god the club is looking at an alternative to Dyche, and please not Moyes (been there, done that) because this fella will sack himself with his stubbornness.

Jim Bennings
46 Posted 25/08/2024 at 09:54:50
The problem we have these days is everyone we now sign becomes a worse player than before they arrived.

Jack Harrison was a relatively competent player under Bielsa at Leeds, I believe he once scored a hat-trick at West Ham in 2021 and I always recall him being a player along with Luke Ayling that I liked the look of.

It's the kind of signing that used to work out well under Moyes and you'd be thinking "That was a canny move, that was" but nowadays it just all has the same feeling to it.

Paul Kossoff
47 Posted 25/08/2024 at 10:02:20
Toil: to work very hard and/or for a long time, usually doing hard physical work.

"Dominic Calvert-Lewin toiled fruitlessly up front with precious little service."

Does anyone think Dom toiled in the Spurs game? Apart from Dixon, did any Everton player toil?

After only two games, we are already at the stage of saying the next Premier League game is a must-win. Anything less than a win against Bournemouth and we really are in trouble.

Dinosaur Dyche and his Neolithic game plans are definitely on the verge of extinction. Sack him now, no, but surely even he must realise that he has to change his ideas or he will be replaced.

Paul Ferry is right, with his "How low will we go to try to be sunny" remark.

Andy Crooks
48 Posted 25/08/2024 at 10:11:00
Paul, I'm looking out the window at pissing rain and sunny is a million miles away.

Normally, I think you know what, all we need is... When such and such are back we'll be fine.. when we get a bit of luck all will be well... Once we start taking our chances etc.

Well, we're not unlucky, we're not missing chances. We are fundamentally a collection of very average players totally shot of inspiration and confidence.

Danny, if you read this, get your report in and somehow find a silver lining!!

Sur Jo
49 Posted 25/08/2024 at 10:42:27
Fred Quick @27, I totally agree with you.

Dyche should come out and be honest if he does not believe he can keep us in the Premier League.

If he feels that both the club and the fans are not allowing him (in terms of resources and space) to do his job, then he should be upfront about it and step aside for someone who is willing to accept the circumstances and challenges.

Ian Bennett
50 Posted 25/08/2024 at 10:58:18
You're joking, he's still to pick up £5M for the next season.

Him, Holgate, Keane, Doucoure are going to pick up around £70M or so, for the worst standard of football this once great club has ever seen.

A perfect marriage of poor leadership at the top, poor recruitment at the middle, and poor players at the bottom.

For most, the new stadium offers some hope that better days may be ahead. Without that, I am not sure where we will have all been.

Mike Kehoe
51 Posted 25/08/2024 at 11:23:10
If we keep Branthwaite, I expect we will be okay… absolute shite and painful hard work to watch, but we should have enough to survive.

Realistically, progress is years away, and will depend on sound management from the top.

Personally, I would not blame any player who wanted to move on as everything is against the club developing.

Jonathan Tasker
52 Posted 25/08/2024 at 11:35:30
Not sure people realise how much peril the club is in.

There are no other really shite teams in the Premier League this season. There aren't three teams worse than Everton.
There is no money.

Branthwaite and Calvert-Lewin will be sold… but the club is unsellable.

Paddy Power already paid out on Everton being relegated. I know that's a publicity stunt but that's where this is heading.

John Jacques
53 Posted 25/08/2024 at 11:44:21
Even if as likely, he plays O'Brien, Ndiaye and Lindstrøm against Doncaster, they will still not be match-fit for 90 minutes versus Bournemouth.

The same as last season — all our players look unfit compared to other teams. How is this the case when Dyche clearly does not work on passing and tactics?

Kunal Desai
54 Posted 25/08/2024 at 11:48:07
The one thing Everton have been consistent in 30 years is being a circus.

It provides laughter and entertainment value — especially for fans of other clubs.

Derek Powell
55 Posted 25/08/2024 at 12:48:29
Young or Coleman will be back in against Bournemouth and, if Garner is fit, he will replace Iroegbunam.

And his excuse? "Give the lad a rest" — I'd put my house on it.

Ian Wilkins
56 Posted 25/08/2024 at 12:52:03
Dyche says we were subservient. I agree with that statement. We sat back from first whistle allowing Spurs to attack, play in our half, have the ball, until inevitably they scored on 14 minutes.

Pickford's car crash dawdling, gifting their second, killed the game.

Spurs aren't fantastic, Leicester showed that, when you get amongst them, then they look very ordinary. But they have good players who, given the freedom of the park, will look good, and they have good attacking options.

So why subservient, why sit back and let this happen?

In part it comes from Dyche's set-up, the defensive "sit back and soak it up" set-up we have deployed under his tenure. Works occasionally when defence is solid. With Keane etc, it isn't. It's an inevitable loss waiting to happen.

In part, it's confidence, lack of, that plunges further when we go behind. In part, it's the lack of quality we have such that we can't seem to impose ourselves on other teams.

This subservience that Dyche refers to, but speaks as if he has no part in it, is the bad habit we need to break. Play further up the pitch, upset teams through hard work and tenacity, but be built on sound defence.

A few draws/ wins will breed success. Subservience needs to be replaced, and Dyche needs to understand that he is the one to take the lead… he is not an observer.

Christy Ring
57 Posted 25/08/2024 at 13:10:48
Dyche's tactics of 4-4-1-1 is a total disaster, we are totally overrun in midfield with Gueye and Iroegbunam in the middle.

What do Harrison and McNeil offer us on the wings? They spend most of their time defensively helping our full-backs, and Calvert-Lewin is totally isolated.

Dyche can forget about Plan A, play 4-3-3, and bench Doucouré and Harrison.

Mick O'Malley
58 Posted 25/08/2024 at 14:28:54
16 goals scored since January, 8 from open play, no win at Goodison Park when the opposition has scored in 29 attempts.

I'm not Calvert-Lewin's biggest fan but it must be horrific playing upfront for Dyche's Everton, especially with the 3 numpties behind him supplying nothing. We don't have full-backs overlapping or wingers getting to the byline and getting crosses in.

It's all small margins, hoping for a set piece and trying to keep a clean sheet. It's so frustrating to watch, and as for his interviews with the press, I honestly must watch a different game to the one he's seen.

Besides the derby, I've hated watching Dyche's Everton, and I can't wait til we move on from him,

Peter Fearon
59 Posted 25/08/2024 at 15:23:59
This is not rocket science, guys! If you want to build a first-rate team, you have to start with a first-rate manager or failing that, someone who is likely to become one.

Does anyone think Sean Dyche, given his career at Watford and Burnley, is either of those? Of course not.

Nothing will change until he goes. In 10 years, he will still be managing teams in the bottom third of the table or the Championship. It is who he is.

Jim Bennings
60 Posted 25/08/2024 at 15:29:50
Peter,

Villa did it the right way.

Sacked Gerrard who was a disaster and appointed one of Europe's finest managers in Unai Emery, then gave him backing to buy seriously good players.

We sacked Lampard, appointed Dyche who had in his previous season won 4 games between August and April with Burnley.

It's why I say at Everton we are always happy with the status quo.

Rob Jones
61 Posted 25/08/2024 at 15:45:09
Our squad is threadbare. We are truly in the shit.

Defence: We have two decent centre-backs. One is out injured, the other is playing injured.

For some reason (and I do begrudge Sean Dyche for this), we are choosing to play Michael Keane rather than Jake O'Brien. I'm choosing to believe that like last season, he will soon learn his mistake and Michael Keane will be banished back to the shadow realm.

We have one left-back, who has been pretty much injured since the derby. We have one young right-back, who has through circumstance, shown he may be worth a damn. We then have two pensioners who we're retaining because we're too fucking poor to buy anybody else.

Midfield: McNeil has been poor for a year. But there's nobody else, other than Harrison (play Harrison on his left foot, Sean, please).

Our middle options are compromised right now. Tim Iroegbunam has been fantastic, and Gana has been Gana. Garner is out injured.

Doucoure persists in being used as a No 10 (Why, Sean?), when he's been shit since his return, and he should be used as a No 8.

Harrison and Lindstrøm are our wide-right options (with reports of Lindstrom not setting the world alight in the U21s).

Attack: look at Calvert-Lewin against Liverpool. Then look at Calvert-Lewin against Brighton and Tottenham. Look at his output, and his body language. The man is checked out.

If we had any money to replace him, or sense, we'd ship him out. He no longer cares, he's not producing, and we should look to the future.

Beto is still Beto, and if we're lucky, we may be able to trade for a more suitable replacement. Chermiti showed promise at the back end of the season, and then in the summer. Naturally, because ours is a cursed club, he was injured before the start of the season.

Steve Cotton
62 Posted 25/08/2024 at 15:54:33
Let's have another 'gaffer' training day on Monday see if we can get the 14 fit players down to about 9...

Where is Dele? He was training 2 months ago..

Martin Farrington
64 Posted 25/08/2024 at 16:35:56
Rob @ 61
sigh.,.,.,yup
Peter Hodgson
65 Posted 25/08/2024 at 17:49:38
What a shower the lot of them are. Manager who couldn't get a tune out of the best grand piano in the house; players who look and perform as though they couldn't care less. Talk about effort. Forget it, they are only interested in the money.

It will be interesting to see how they perform against lowly Doncaster who gave us a good game last time out. I don't expect much. Maybe Calvert-Lewin will wake up and realise he is in the shop window. Why is he playing at all? Waste of space.

Lovely new facilities await in the new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock. None of our existing bunch are worthy of going there but, next season, our Championship rivals will be thrilled to play there and they will probably up their game as a result. More losses then.

Rant over… but I am truly brassed off with football.

Steve Brown
66 Posted 25/08/2024 at 18:20:21
As poor as yesterday was, we are 2 games into the season.

Dyche has to change formation and team selection- there has to be consequences for playing badly. But there is a long way to go.

Billy Shears
67 Posted 25/08/2024 at 18:34:24
Team for Tuesday night... 4-4-1-1:

Virginia
Dixon
Tarkowski (1st half)
O'Brien
Mykolenko
Lindstrøm
Iroegbunam
Harrison (he ain't no winger!)
McNeil
Ndiaye
Beto

And we win... don't fuck it up, Dyche... give us all something to cheer!

Ian Bennett
69 Posted 25/08/2024 at 19:03:43
We had 2 shots on target in two games. No goals.

But 22 shots faced, 7 conceded. One in three shots are going in.

Jack Harrison: 12 touches, and completed 50% of his passes.

Tim Iroegbunam: 22 touches.

Calvert-Lewin has not registered a shot on target in two games.

Beto had 3 touches in 18 minutes… Just embarrassing.

Doucoure 13 touches.

Peter Hodgson
70 Posted 25/08/2024 at 19:36:18
Yeah Steve @66, but when has Dyche made wholesale changes? It hasn't happened yet but, even if he does on Tuesday, it will be normal service resumed next Saturday. He just doesn't get it or know how to change for the better.

I haven't so far joined the mass calling for him to put out a positive side who will go out to win and compete but we must start doing so before it is too late.

We live in hope but I'm not hopeful. The players need some direction from the manager or else they will continue in their couldn't care less approach. The longer Dyche persists with his current ways, the more difficult it will be to get them thinking and playing winning football, ie, properly!.

Any wonder I am brassed off with it as Dyche doesn't change? He has proved it over and over again.

Peter Hodgson
71 Posted 25/08/2024 at 19:41:58
Ian @69.

A good summary of the season so far and why we are bottom. Not looking as though that is going to change any time soon, based on your summary, either.

Depressing isn't it?

Jason Li
72 Posted 25/08/2024 at 20:00:02
Bad results, but not panic stations. Too many teams in the bottom 10 that have worse squads to use over the season.

Dixon has Seamus and Baines to guide him, so hopefully is the first choice right back. Some small mistakes can be coached quickly. His positioning is good and he's got the instinct of when to go close which Young gets wrong a lot of times. Young has probably the worst tackle in the penalty area I can remember seeing when at right back. Seems better at left back for some reason though.

By next summer should be no more Keane and Doucoure who I think can't contribute to this team, in a team that wants to move up the league and get at least mid-table. With Keane it's low-block only or get done. With Doucoure it's 50/50 if the ball sticks up front and shots on goals are a rarity these days. No more Harrison next season as he can't fly down the wing and becoming less effective as all Premier League players seem to be getting marginally quicker again.

I think Lindstrom, Ndiaye, Tim I, Dixon, O'Brien(?) and Armstrong will get much more game time as they keep showing up the favourites with better pace, ball control, and decent passing. The manager will have no choice but to play them and the team then evolves in a team that plays more on the floor in the oppositions half. That's the hope I see. If the team is losing he has to play the subs earlier to rescue games. Over time this will mean the subs are better players and he has no way back after a few times of this reactive substitutions because everyone will see some of the subs are already better and need to start. Just like Dixon proved over Young at right back. That's how I see it anyways.

Andy Crooks
73 Posted 25/08/2024 at 20:06:50
Jim @ 60, you sound as if you think "Villa did it the right way"and Everton had the chance to but chose the wrong way.

None of Europe's finest managers were ever coming to Everton and, if they somehow did, there was no money for them to buy "seriously good players".

>Not one of us is happy with the status quo, not a single one. So, what's your point?

Joe McMahon
74 Posted 25/08/2024 at 20:13:04
I honestly think this season we will go down, the squad is pitiful, older and will not score enough this season. It's anti-football, as the Burnley fans used to sing under Dyche.

Being honest Everton unfortunatey have seen a slow demise in the Premier League. Kenwright's involvement was the worst thing to happen to the club along with Heysel certainly since the war. The football in the last 30-odd years has mainly been dire, low scoring with no silverware apart from Big Joe in 1995.

The limited stuck-in-his-ways Sean Dyche I don't feel will manage to turn this around. He did stabilise Burnley for a few seasons but there were also two relegations. A 31-year-oid manager got the better of him last week and beat Man Utd yesterday. Sean is being left behind.

I'm rambling I know, but as we all know Everton takes the stuffing out of you.

Jason Li
75 Posted 25/08/2024 at 20:22:08
However, if the manager has brought in players like Ndiaye with intent to replace Doucoure, and been watching Dixon in training for a while with intent to replace Young and Seamus, then all credit to the manager.

Now's the time to be brave and let the best man win for each position in the team as the new lads look ready.

David West
76 Posted 25/08/2024 at 20:25:45
I always thought Dyche was doing okay, not great… but was holding the fort keeping us up. But now I'm asking myself this:

Would another manager (better — not saying Pep, just someone with more than one idea, one tactical plan and one way to set up a team) get more out of this squad?

I didn't think so last year, but I believe the players now realise themselves that it's not working, they are crying out for different approach.

We won't get a change unless we are cut adrift at the bottom, or late in the season and in the Bottom 3.

Ian Riley
78 Posted 25/08/2024 at 21:19:57
Nothing changes with my expectations of Everton from last season. Staying up is success. The squad is lacking in quality but we have to believe there are 3 worse teams. If we are in the bottom 3 after 15 games, Dyche must go. It is crucial we enter our new home as a Premier League club and do everything to avoid relegation.

It's early days but goals conceded shows our work rate needs to improve big time.

Over the summer, I lost some weight and my blood pressure came down. Sadly I didn't want the season to start. It's here and we must stay positive and together.

Ian Bennett
79 Posted 25/08/2024 at 21:20:46
Ralf Ragnick was on the way under Friedkin.

Any new owner will get rid of Dyche.

Derek Thomas
80 Posted 25/08/2024 at 23:56:24
Joe Mc @ 74; you could be right, because for as much as people poo-poo 'Everton That' as a 'thing' we've all seen it and it can't all be down to our own on and off field fuck-ups.
It's the opposite of 'your name is sometimes just on the cup'.

If it is going to happen and I know we're only 2 games in, it could well be this season of all seasons with all its leaving Goodison emotional baggage just to add insult to injury.

Dyche has avoided it twice... and a third time may beckon.

Or we win the next 2 games and it's all smiles going into the international break, at least the 2-week break will give the wallpaper time to dry properly on those cracks.

Brian Williams
82 Posted 26/08/2024 at 11:36:16

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