Everton record hat-trick of league defeats after staggering implosion against Bournemouth

Dyche can fuck off with that now.

If that was under Lampard, he'd have been absolutely crucified by now.

I can't believe these players are actually as bad as 4 wins in 24 matches, it's our out-of-date training methods and dark age strategy that's killing us under this manager now.

A team in total control. One player, in particular, on fire. So take him off. Dyche must face up and accept responsibility. He won't. Everyone's fault bar him.

His wrong decision was clearly exposed. It is a question of credibility for him now.

Dyche and his staff shouldn't be allowed near this gig for what should have been a celebration season of some enjoyment at least.

4 wins in 24 at Everton then prior to his sacking at Burnley he had 4 wins from 28 matches.

Are we really tolerating such mediocrity?

He fucked it up.

I feel like crying.

We are a laughing stock! Someone please sack him.

Won 12
Drawn 5
Lost 13

Disgusting record

John I think you've touched on SDs dilemma. Bringing off both fullbacks means bringing on Ashley Young and god knows who to replace them. And who do we bring on to replace the two linch pins in midfield? Until the new boys settle we have a desperately thin squad

To say we lost all because of Dyche is stretching the truth is it not.

Hindsights a wonderful thing, any fool is wise after the event.

We should have been more than 2 up, any team that are behind will throw caution to the wind in their attempt to score they have nothing to lose. When they score it changes the dynamics

The fact is the Everton players on the field fell to pieces and didnt to the job they are paid to do.

Tarkowski is having a poor start due to being played with injury, yes Mr Dyche, persistent with that one.

Mykolenko also not fully fit but no left back was signed as competition.

That game today was won, at 4:45pm that was three points but Dyche swung it in their favour with batshit crazy substitutions, no need to take Ndiaye off and bring on Doucoure who was as usual shite.

Beto for DCL was also mental given the ball just bounces off Beto too much.

I have seen us lose 3-2 after holding 2-0 leads several times over the decades including home defeats in 1974/75 against Carlisle and Sheffield United which cost us a league title. Today's loss felt every bit as bad as those. But let's not mirror the panic on the pitch by panicking off it. We have a better squad than twelve months ago. Results will improve as the squad gels together.

I think that Dyche has lost it big time and how the players respond to today's result and possibly more importantly their manager's weird assessment of today's game, will shape our future.

I agree with those who say that there is a comfortable mid-table side in the making at the manager's disposal but will he be able to fulfil that 'promise' or will he throw everything under the bus in order to show what a proper manager he is?

He has half-a-dozen Premier League games to prove that he's the right man for the job. I don't think he'll be managing Everton beyond Bonfire Night.

You can see Coleman and Mykolenko are goosed. What do you do what do? You have no alternative as the opposition are targeting your full-backs but bring on 2 subs.

Slows the game down, burns some time, and gets Coleman and Mykolenko off the pitch. Dixon on for Coleman and as you and the DoF have ignored the left-back position during the transfer window, Young comes on for Mykolenko — it's only for 7 or 8 minutes.

Now, 3 pairs of fresh legs for the 5-man defence. You tell both new full-backs not to bomb forward as we have the game won.

After another few minutes, you bring Garner on for Iroegbunam, who has run his arse off, and Armstrong for Gueye.

Game slowed down once more and 2 pairs of fresh legs in midfield. You tell Harrison and McNeil to tuck in and help the full-backs stop flank attacks.

You leave Ndiaye and Calvert-Lewin on to offer a threat up front. Ndiaye continues to hold the ball up and DCL keeps pressing their centre-backs.

Added time up, ref blows whistle. 2-nil. 3 points. Clean sheet. Fans happy, team happy, management happy.

What you don't do is bring off the one player who can keep the ball up front, draw fouls, waste time, and slow the game down.

You don't ignore the fact that 4 of your players are goosed: full-backs and centre-midfielders. Result: team with 5 pairs of fresh legs who can see Everton players are blowing hard realise they can get a draw at least.

No threat up front with Doucoure and Beto. Their Dychey Bonus was the winner. Everton, why do you do this to us all? Don't you think we've had more than enough by now?

I'm assuming, Lyndon, that it took you a while to calm down(ish) to write up this report.

He has 10 years behind him as a Premier League manager. The stats say if you take the first 5 games of those 10 years, 50 games obviously. The gravel-voiced Neanderthal has won 5. Yes, 5.

So negative and use of substitutes, or lack of, is diabolical. There was no point in Burnley whatsoever under Dyche. Unwatchable… Shocking.

There comes a point where year after year of just surviving isn't enough. Soul-destroying fare. Totally defensive set-ups, 5 at the back etc, against the bottom clubs at home.

He's only survived this long because of the incompetent goons above. He's disrespectful to us fans. I despise him. We deserve much better than this Dinosaur Clown.

Never mind Graham Potter, I would take Brian, Beattrix or even Redvers. ''You could smell it was going wrong'' — How damning is that… of himself!!!

We were very, very naive at 2-0 up. Real Madrid, Man City or Brazil would have all turned around and went backwards to Pickford with a 2-0 lead at that point.

But nooooo, we are trying through-balls on 85 mins with a defence that's blowing out their arses and a goalie who doesn't come for any crosses!!

Why doesn't Jordan get a hand or two to either of those crosses??… Why didn't we pass it around at 2-0 up, back to Pickford then boom it long, And repeat for the last 5 mins. Unprofessional is the word.

Also, I attached a funny video that I did not know about. What a legend!

Sorry, Sean Dyche… This one is on you!

But Bournemouth didn't throw caution to the wind. Their tactics at the end were simply repetition of what they had tried all game. it became effective because too many of our defensive players were spent by that time.

Why are people having digs at Beto and Doucoure (other than they are popular whipping boys)? They took up the positions the manager told them to and didn't make any glaring errors that I could see.

The difference from 0 points from 3 games and firmly fixed at the bottom of the table and 3 points and out of the relegation zone in 15th position with a 2-week international break coming up, it is time for them to go.

No matter what they have achieved in previous seasons, ie, saving us from relegation twice, in today's football, it is the here and now that matters.

Until today's fiasco, I have been a firm supporter and believer in Sean Dyche, who — despite very difficult circumstances which many managers could not have coped with — has pulled us through.

But today, when seen alongside the previous poor substitution decision-making, I have lost confidence in him being able to react to the changing situations that are continually faced in a Premier League game.

His inability to react correctly to Ariola's 5 substitutions which changed the game, when he pulled off Ndiaye with 7 minutes to go. Ndiaye did not look injured or tired and, even so, we are going into a 2-week international break.

Was Dyche thinking "The game is won, I'll put Doucouré on and let Ndiaye get a standing ovation"? Arrogantly believing the game was won against a team who has history at Goodison at winning from a losing position?

Doucouré was never ever going to do what Ndiaye was doing, which was giving us an out-ball, running at their defence, and creating chances.

Then we are still 2 up and he takes off Calvert-Lewin, who was having his best game, making something from Pickford's long ball punts, and puts Beto on who will give everything but is not close to Calvert-Lewin in winning high balls etc.

So Dyche basically says to Ariola, "Here, see what you can do in the last 7 minutes because we have won the game!"

So, with more than half our team knackered and Bournemouth with 5 fresh players, we give possession and momentum to Bournemouth who say “Thank you very much!!!”

We end the game with fresh legs sitting on the bench and no one else to blame but Sean Dyche.

Who will replace him? Any young proven manager from any of the European leagues or any young proven manager from the Championship. Or — I can't believe I'm saying this — Davey Moyes!

No matter what we think of Dithering Dave we would have won today. And really that's is all that really counts!

In my life, I've avoided "going back", so Moyes is a no-go.

Remember Wigan at home in the cup. Liverpool at Wembley, when they had their third-choice goalkeeper in. Moyes changed it at half-time so we could sit back.

Soft Shite has gone 76 games and won 1 away from home, that isn't any home to a Top 4 team. Knife to a gunfight.

I'd sooner have Walter Smith back. He could do a better job now than Moyes.

Everton were solid in the first half, and outstanding for most of the second half. We were utterly dominant, and had players put chances away, we were 4- or 5-0 clear before the subs. We controlled the game, made great chances, played good football, and Ndiaye proved what an astute buy he was.

Sean Dyche changed the game, and for that, he owes us big time. But I'm old enough to remember how we started last season. Similarly good performances at home, only to be picked off by teams. Luton, Wolves, Fulham. The manager learned from it.

Come a fortnight from now, we'll hopefully have Branthwaite back, Tarkowski will have had a solid rest, and the new signings will have had another 2 weeks to bed in.

If what we saw yesterday means the end of Doucouré (who has served us well, by the way, and whose goals have been vital for us) as a starting player, and the return of Dominic Calvert-Lewin to form (because he was brilliant yesterday), then I'll learn to live with those positives.

Maybe this is hope. But we all saw enough before the collapse to know we can play well, we can put performances together.

Enjoy the international break. No Everton for 2 weeks.

In London for a week and had a nice meal booked for 5:30. At 4:45, I was in a pub, smug face looking forward to it and told the family I would pay for it.

5:00 pm, walking to the restaurant, fuming, and wishing I'd kept my mouth shut!

I didn't recover until pudding (or 'desert' as they call it down here).

Yesterday felt like the defeat to Watford under Rafa at home that started all of this. The manner of the defeat will make it difficult for Dyche to recover the dressing room.

Seamus is too old and has too much influence. Pickford lacks discipline. Gueye is error-prone. Iroegbunam clearly lacks experience.

There were a few bright spots, and there's more to come in terms of new players, but we let a winnable game pass us by without picking up 3 points. There simply aren't enough of them left for anyone to feel confident about staying up.

10 wins from here looks like too big an ask of this side.

Ten wins looked a long way away after last years start. We got them, and more.

Some concentration on his part might have seen us with a more favourable goal difference and 3 points on the board going into this international break.

He's the best we've got, but he can be a liability.

I was saying to my mate as we sat in the Upper Bullens, that's why he was subbed, and the vast majority of us supporters stood up and clapped him off. He deserved our show of support for what he'd done during his full debut. The lad was brilliant!

I wondered why else would he take him off. He didn't look tired; his running, his wonderful way of going past their players, his chasing after any player within reach, good passing, willingness to get hurt taking on players (they were giving him some mauling as he went past them,

What a player he is going to be for us! There aren't many players that I can think of who deserved and got such an ovation since substitutions were introduced. They were my thoughts as he walked off.

However, at the same time, there were 7 minutes of the 90 left and Bournemouth had been showing what a good side they are. I was hoping that they didn't get a goal because he was our major threat and also protected our defence on the left side. Well done, lad!

Dyche then took Calvert-Lewin off; I think Dyche thought we'd got the game won and gave Dom a chance to get clapped off.

He was badly wrong. Bournemouth were always a threat, and had proved it throughout the match.
2-Nil up is a dangerous score to take your best players off. And so it proved. Especially with our recent result being so calamitous.

There were players who needed to come off, Coleman and Mykolenko? They were both getting a hard time throughout the match. Both had been recently injured. Tarkowski looked weary near the end, and we had players who could have come on if necessary.

As for Dyche, in my view, he got it wrong, badly wrong by taking off the two players who were the main threat to Bournemouth, players who were putting Bournemouth's defence under considerable pressure, and allowing our other players some breathing space.

Should he go? It's the first time I've thought that he needed to go. The trouble is, there's so many factors going against any change, that I think it would be extremely difficult for the club to do so. Lack of money, who would come if we had any… does the change mean we'd fall foul and PSR? (I don't have any idea on that!)

What do any prospective buyers make of it, and if Moshiri's still in charge, what's his standpoint? I think he'd turn round and say "Fuck that for a game of soldiers"!)

To me, Keane should only be used as a defender in dire emergency. Otherwise, up front, in a not-so-dire emergency! We've got some good players chomping at the bit to come on.

If they are not used after this 2 week break, and he doesn't learn to use subs more wisely, I can only see more of the same for us.

ps: Ray (36), My commiserations! :)

We were looking like a renewed team yesterday, flair and grit from the new players and leading 2-0 at home with 5 minutes to go...

Then we Evertoned the heck out of the match and managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory!

Only Everton. It feels like again at the moment the Toffee Lady is dallying with a new man called Mr Catastrophic Failure — and it hurts like crazy!

During that time, Everton have shipped an incredible 20 goals.

Was it a season or two ago that we played Brighton at home and went from being 1 down to 4 down in a matter of minutes? Yesterday was far worse, however, as we had the game won and still managed to throw it away.

Aston Villa, Leicester City, Crystal Palace and Newcastle Utd before the next International break. We need to be taking at a minimum 7 points from those 4 games. A failure to pick up a win would bring about the usual change of manager in mid-October, I suspect.

The sooner we get out of Goodison Park and into the new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock, the better as for too many, everyone under 35, it holds nothing but bad memories at this stage.

As I approached her I realised she was the Grand Old Lady herself. She looked awful, her blue gown was battered and torn, her arms and legs covered in cuts and bruises. Her face haggard, tired and worn.

She looked at me and said in a tearful voice "They laughed at me, they actually laughed at me".

The Bournemouth guy on the other hand got it spot on - five sets of fresh legs against a tiring side, of which two were mid-thirties and clearly knackered.

Any suggestions on how to ensure the ginger wizard reads some of the wisdom encapsulated in these fan forums — because he certainly needs to IMHO.

But being 2-0 up playing our best football to date was a joy to behold and, with only 7 mins to go, I was already picturing us moving nicely up the table before the international break.

But no, oohhh no… cruel fate still had a role of her dice to play — and play it she did. As the tragedy unfolded, you could feel the pain, it was so tangible.

But come on, Old Girl, the show's not over yet, we live to fight another day, and hopefully big lessons will be learned from this one. The Spirit of The Blues is not dead yet. COYB

The whole mediocre mentality this club has stems from Mr Moyes and his ‘knife to a gunfight' attitude. Let's look forward, not back.

Dyche needs to stay for now. Yesterday was a shitshow but people seem to be quick to forget the fact we were 2-0 up after 87 minutes. We should have won that game.

Still very early doors and we had a worse start last season.

I did something I would normally never do last night, particularly after a defeat, and watched the whole game again on Sky's Game of the Day, just to see how easy and comfortable that game had been for 87 minutes.

Bournemouth were, quite simply, never in the contest. I think Iraola made his first three substitutions on 66 minutes, more in hope than expectation. So still a full 21 minutes in which their subs did next to nothing, before the capitulation began.

He made his next two subs in the 77th minute, still 2-0 down, but could probably see by then, some of our players beginning to wilt.

Beto was getting ready to come on for Calvert-Lewin when they scored their first, yet Dyche still made that substitution. He should have told Beto to sit down, and get Jake O'Brien ready to go into the heart of the defence.

Calvert-Lewin was having a great game, giving their defence food for thought, was chasing balls down and holding the ball up, inviting fouls and therefore slowing the game right down. He, quite clearly, could have continued in that vein for another 9 minutes.

The earlier substitution was also wrong. Ndiaye, like Calvert-Lewin, was giving their defence a torrid time, and should have stayed on. Seamus Coleman was the one to bring off, for either Roman Dixon or Ashley Young.

This would have meant five at the back, Keane, Tarkowski and O'Brien in the middle, with both full-backs pushing right out wide, thus preventing the crosses coming in.

After the equaliser, Dyche should have changed things again, this time to try and preserve the point we were grimly holding onto. Yet another player, Tim Iroegbunam, was flagging, so either James Garner or Harrison Armstrong on for him, and this time definitely Jake O'Brien, probably for either Harrison or McNeil, whatever, just slow the game right down and remove the impetus Bournemouth were building.

So, for me the team that should have finished that game was:

Pickford,
Dixon or Young, Keane, Tarkowski, O'Brien, Mykolenko,
Ndiaye, Gueye, Garner or Armstrong, McNeil or Harrison.
Calvert-Lewin

It looks a great win, on paper, for Bournemouth and I suppose it was, but believe me, they didn't win it — we simply contrived to throw it away.

Very much like a game against West Ham a few years back, a game we lost 3-2. Again we were 2-0 up, and even down to 10 men, when yet again, another weird substitution by Martinez, who decided to take off a midfielder, Aaron Lennon, for a forward Oumar Niasse.

He doesn't seem like the type of person who takes criticism well; pressure will continue to mount until we pull clear of the relegation zone... if we ever do.

Everton fans can be very unforgiving and, if we take a beating at Villa, I think the backlash will finish him.

Yet I still think we'll stay up. There's a half-decent core of players at the club. It puts us ahead of enough teams.

As for the future, the easy game at Villa is followed by Leicester City. No points on the board after that one and the Uber has to be on its way. (Notice how I updated this for the modern audience?)

It does appear in Dyche's interview that he points the finger at the players on the basis of them not tracking back. However, what he fails to say is that it may have been preventable with substitutions with fresh legs and instruction from him.

It's definately come back to bite his well paid, well fed arse.

Yesterday Mr Dyche, despite your know it all arrogance, you proved that you're no better than Benitez or Lampard and as for points gained especially at home are no better than both combined.

For me, I'd like him to go now, it's his tactics and substitutions which are hampering us. I'd like to see him replaced by a manager such as Will Still at Reims.

Iroegbunham gave the ball away and didn't track back at all for their 2nd or 3rd (I don't recall which). Why? Was he tired? Well he wasn't too tired to attack.

Why were so many players ahead of the ball approaching 90 minutes 2 nil up? To be fair to Dyche he was screaming at them to get back and we got caught out. 3 times.

The manage shoulders some blame for poor subs but the players were fucking shocking in their decision making at the end. That's not the managers fault. Stay back, protect your lead, keep the ball. It was piss poor all round but to entirely blame the manager seems unfair in my view.

Seeing as Walter Smith died a few years back, I think Moyes would be a safer bet.

I'd try get Potter in or take a look at Carsley.

Did we not um and ah about whether Arteta was “good enough” when he left Man City?

Give Carsley a try, he may surprise a few.

The decisions at Arsenal were ridiculous.
Brighton have now gained points from two games whereby the opponents went down to ten men and we are only three games into the season.

In the Everton game Semenya should have seen red for the incident with Keane and then he goes on to score. Justice ? Don't make me laugh.

I think about that regularly as he was right at the time, and now many moons have passed — and we are still fucking shite!!!

He has 2 lieutenants who seem to agree with whatever Dyche decides, neither of them yesterday had the bottle to say no, leave things as they are up top, DCL and Ndyie are playing well, change the leggy players instead, Coleman, Gana, Myko Iro etc

Bournemouth's defence must have thought it was Christmas when those two went off.

I still believe the boos in the Brighton game when DCL went off were for Dyche's predictably.

All on management yesterday for me

That was all on the Manager, if the players are mentally weak then that's the Manager, if they are unfit then that's the Manager, if they lack confidence then that's the Manager.

This squad of players is much stronger than we are being led to believe, personally I think Thelwell has done a great job.

Dyche has to go and as controversial as it is I don't see anybody better than David Moyes to keep us in the Premier League.

Can anyone honestly say that would have happened under Moyes? I would take boring football that leads to a mid-table finish all day long at this moment in time.

We must stay in the Premier League.

Dom has had long term injury issues and I think Beto coming on for 5 to 10 mins was understandable. We still wanted and needed an outlet.

Fresh legs were needed but the collapse, poor positioning, closing down and defending by everyone on the pitch wasn't god enough.

It's hard to take, but I'll take the positives. Played OK, created chances, scored 2 goals.

Team game, squad sport, supporters support. NSNO!

Poor management… but what really irks me is the man's complete abdication of any sort of responsibility.

Team to play.

Viginia, Dixon, Keane, Tarkowski, Young or u21 kid.

Garner, Iroegbanum, Armstrong, Harrison.

McNeill

Beto.

These players need game time to get fit - don't you know.

Just released by Galatasaray - Leo Dubois, Former French International aged 29. Fitness record good. Can play both Right Back 218 games and Left Back 44 games. Also played for Lyon 129 games and Nantes 106 games. 13 caps for France. Good goals / assist rate. Must be worth a look and surely better than what we have available right now.

The man is an absolute joke. First 2 home games of the season, no points. Villa next up, this Scotch egg-headed fucker will take us down.