Blues squander tremendous lead allowing three late goals in catastrophic collapse

With apologies to Meat Loaf.

Other teams bring in recruits who go straight in the side, why are we different?

Unbelievable! 😱

People giving Thelwell credit for his signings, I'm not too impressed so far.

It's one notch up from selecting everyone based on their defensive work.

He has his favourites I suppose.

Same old Coleman, Keane, Harrison, McNeil.

Hope I'm wrong.

Bring Garner on for Coleman and O'Brien for Keane.

Holgate not on our bench anymore is a win.

UTFTs — 2-0 to the Mighty Blues.

The bench looks a lot stronger this time too. I thought Garner played well on Tuesday but looked rusty and not back to full fitness and sharpness; I imagine he will get some minutes in the second half.

If Young was in the starting line-up I'd have lost it big time. He shouldn't even be in the squad.

This is his last season for me. He's successfully navigated the chaos but we need to progress and we'll never progress with this guy. We need a straight-talking manager with balls!

1-1.

Or am I a lemon for considering such a thing?

The difference with someone who is prepared to receive, hold and run with the ball is massive.

I'm not surprised (it is Dyche) with the rest of the selection and I'm in the camp of play O'Brien so he can learn rather than Keane who will not improve and should never be a starter.

Would love a clean sheet and I'd accept 0-0 right now. But this is the Premier league, we seem to concede the first goal far to often which does my nut so I'll hope for a 2-1 win.

Hopefully Dom is now fully focused and fit.

Refreshing to go into half time actually looking forward to the second half.

I thought Harrison (8th minute) might have shot instead of trying to find Calvert-Lewin and Gana seems to have forgotten not to lean back when he tries a shot.

I just hope we can keep this up and I've not seen any figures but this must be one of the few games when we have had more possession. All we need now is a goal which might just break them into pushing more men forward leaving gaps at the back as there seems to be plenty in midfield.

Brave, attacking football.

Great Stuff.

For Bournemouth!

Only one team in it.

What an absolute fucking joke we are.

I hate being an Evertonian so much.

Why? Why? Why?

Again, poor in-match management ruined all the previous good work.

Now tell me Dyche is the man for the moment as the look on his face said it all — he cocked up and he knew it!

Work on fitness? Obviously not. Set pieces? Clearly not? Finishing practice? ha!

I am tired of the "we have no money" malarkey too because other teams pay less for players (fees and wages) and get more from them. Other teams also know how to manage crap players to be stubborn defenders. What exactly do we have to offer?

For 40 years, I've followed this shit show joke of a manager.

Cruising in the game, then he takes off our best 2 players. He ain't got a fucking clue.

No way on this earth should we have lost that with less than 20 minutes left. All the good work we had done and the useless bastard screws it up.

Pack your bags, Dyche, your time is up, you fucking muppet!

There were obvious changes. But he didn't have the stones to make them.

He'll blame "experienced professionals making mistakes" and bad luck. Maybe he'll even go back to xG.

Why was it when they got one back you knew they’d go on to win it.

I wonder what dyche will come out with after this one.

Why take off the main conduit from defense to attack??

Does anyone else understand the logic of taking off the only pace and presence up front in the side? Mind-boggling.

The move to the new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock cannot come quick enough, new ownership cannot come quick enough, and new management cannot come quick enough.

Dyche should have shored up the midfield, brought on Garner and O'Brien, and shut up shop. Especially at 2-1. Just manage the fucking game.

That was in my top five low points of supporting Everton. Fucking rock bottom. Fuck you, Everton.

His reliance on old past-it players his inability to read a need for subs, his cowardly lack of risk with youngsters or new faces is the reason he will never be nothing more than a Championship level manager.

Fuck off, Dyche.

I have never been one to complain give or take the odd Kenwright, Holgate, Davies, Walker, HKIII, Earl Barrett, Stuart Barlow, Steve Walsh, Koeman, most referees, etc but Dyche is to blame for the fact his teams (not just Everton) are never fit and ready for a new season and always start terribly. That is a direct result of his summer preparations. He is also responsible for picking the team, determining tactics and making subs. None of these things have been done correctly. He is just an old school loud mouth, hit and hope, try hard with no courage or imagination.

It's early, but I don't see us climbing out of the bottom three this season.

An embarrassment of a club to be associated with on all fronts.

I'm not hearing again how this team can't play any football. It's the coaching, and it's the selection that does that.

But the players will know. They will know in their souls that they have disgraced themselves today

Negatives - I want to kill myself. And Dyche.

We won’t come back from this today for a while.

We’ve nobody at the top to make changes, the club is toxic from top to bottom and won’t change until we are sold

Clearly whatever was going on in that skinhead's excuse for a brain was something along the lines of:
"We've had a really good game attacking, totally dominant. Let's take off the best player and go into completely defensive mode because we've got by far the worst defence in the division at the moment."

Next door's cat would be an improvement on Dyche.

I was going to post my own comment, but you beat me to it.

Ok, we're 2-0 and still looking dangerous at the 75th minute but legs are fading (NB I thought Ndiaye still looked OK energy wise.)

So, why not pull off Gana for Garner as the former's legs seemed to be slowing, and ease Jimmy back for 15+ minutes whilst not under pressure?

If still OK which we were, why not bring off Tarks, to rest his legs and bring on JO'B next to Seamus to help him out. This at the 80th minute and give him time on the 'real' grass.

Lastly, when he pulled off Ndiaye on the 83rd minute, play Lindstrøm who needs the minutes (he would have got 7+ mins) and he is more effective at keeping the pressure on Bournemouth; PLUS #10 is Lindstrøm's best position!

I know hindsight is 20/20 and all that, but Jezuuz on a bike Sean, why are you so fixated on an unchanging narrative that you don't know how to try and chase a draw or win from a losing position, and he just does not 'see' what is actually unfolding on the pitch!?

Does Stone or Woan not see the game any differently?

I suppose the story of Sean attending the Monday or Tuesday debriefs with KT and the sports stattos, being told what was good or bad, and then walking out and ignoring everything he has just been fed-back, must have more than a single element of truth to it?

The real kicker is, he (Sean) is still what is required at the club, i.e. stability and a calm head.

My reality is though, that we could not afford to pay him off due to a) the cost, and b) it narrows the gap in the PSR calculations too much, and finally c) have we a replacement lined up?

Until a takeover occurs, we are standing still...

Like they say in F1 all the time, if you stand still, in reality you're going backwards at an exponential rate of knots!!

All their goals came from crosses not being dealt with, what the fuck Pickford was doing for their third - who knows but defensively we were an absolute shambles.

When they scored their first, I think most Evertonians seen this coming.

We were under pressure and Dyche and the players should have "game managed" Bournemouth - no fucking clue, I'm fucking fed up and sick of it.

Dyche has to go lads.

"I'm not hearing again how this team can't play any football. It's the coaching, and it's the selection that does that."

You nailed it right there...

BUT, IF Sean does go, when and how? No money, no leadership, still too close to the PSR line, no clue...

I mean, then you have the flipside Sean and Co have gone; then who comes in?

I'm not saying there isn't anybody out there, but who can we afford and who would want to come? (unless it is for a pension top-up or pay-day bonanza?)

I would really like to see what Corberan at WBA would do here, but, he just signed Holgate, so I need to see how he uses him, before I'd ask him here...

I called it in play and I'm sure I wasn't alone.

The game wasn't won and he put it back in the balance. Garner, Dixon and Lindstrom were very obvious subs. The one thing he couldn't do was sub Doucoure in for Ndiaye. Even Doucoure into the midfield would have been better.

We desperately needed those points. We needed some confidence. It wasn't the time to revert to the crap we are so used to under Dyche.

But "there's no money". But "I deal in reality". Bullshit. Dyche has successfully set the expectations so incredibly low that he can't fail in some people's eyes. He's a conman. We pay midtable wages - you can play some kind of football with the players that we have.

Don't tell me it's a Ginger one !

Nah, couldn't be any worse than the Ginger Jodrell Banker !

He can stick his finger where the sun don't shine.

Yes the players have to manage the game out but this was all down to dyche imho.

No need to bring ndiaye or dcl off but fresh legs in middle and first sub should have been jake O'brien for gana and switched to a 451 and bring on Dixon for seamus and lindstrom for Harrison but no, someone chose not too and for an ex defender that is criminal.

I and most will appreciate what he has done for the club past 2 seasons but time to get rid and bring someone like Potter or Moyes or even some young up ans coming coach as if we stick with dyche sure as eggs are eggs we will get relegated.

Try and enjoy what we have left of your weekend fellow blues 💙

It’s all about him, he made the end of the game about him. He’s a small minded. Thatcher loving, myopic bell-piece.

80 minutes of flowing football probably left him in a tizz and Barney and Fred Flinstone next to him don’t help either.

Just another historic day at Everton.

We have some good players who just need to be coached better and have a manager who’s tactically astute and flexible.

I meant hindsight as in my opinion as a view from myself. Yes, in game as usual Harrison (who had his best game this season) had run his legs off, Gana was puffed as per (but he put his all in and age is no friend to an EPL player), Seamus was Seamus and his legs were going (Iirc didn't their first goal goal come from their left our right?), and Tarks was starting to look laboured and was slowing (he's obviously still carrying a niggle)

With Jack and Seamus both blowing, maybe a double switch of Garner for Jack and Roman for Seamus?

Gana, if Jimmy G wasn't going on the RW then swap them out or put Doucs in there.

Then play Jake O'B for 10 minutes and rest Tarks and let his injury settle. Keane up until the first goal was playing fairly well I thought and I think between him and Seamus could have coached Jake IF Seamus stayed on.

Anyway, as you say Ernie, we could see it, and I never played football past Saturday League; and I don't have access to stats and get paid a few quid for doing the management job... Pretty much like thousands of over Toffee's; if we can see it, then why can't Sean Ian and Steve?

I'm glad I've just put a fresh pot (of tea) on!

Keep possession, draw the fouls, kill the game. Go 5 at the back if you need to.

An easy three points thrown away. Takes off our main threat, when it was obvious that mcneil was contributing little, tim iroegbunam was done.

Put obrien on for the weird sub, and added Garner on to maintain possession.

Instead we are done on our feet, playing aimless balls to beto. Losing our shape with Gana bombing on. Piss poor defending for the goals, but it could all have been helped if that wooden manager could of reacted to their FIVE SUBS.

Putting aside the unsurprisingly poor substitutions, one has to wonder how a manager engenders such fear, confusion and fragility into a team that they can completely fall apart this way.

It's like he engineered it.

He reminds me of such as Mick McCarthy, to whom negative, dull, industrial football is overtly worn like a badge of pride and strutted like it's the peak of professionalism.

This today, was a fucking disgrace. The epitome of how not to operate a team.

. if you don't laugh etc

At least we can't say that under Dyche the records don't get broken all the time!

Largest ever PSR points deduction in EPL history (later amended to second largest and not Sean's fault, but under his watch)

Longest ever winless run in the EPL and second longest in a 145 year history. (Longest, 14 games, 1937)

Only team to lose by 3 or more goals and lose first two games in EPL history.

Now, as Steve above says;

"We are the first club in Premier League history to have lost a game when holding a two-goal advantage in the 87th minute."

Got smile Sean. you are a serial Record Breaker...

The recipe for another gruelling relegation battle.

I bet the thought process of our manager was as follows;

First time it happens... [SD] "They got lucky there..."

Second time it happens... [SD] "That's a bit of a coincidence, haven't we just seen that?"

Third time... [SD] "Why can't the players sort it out! They've got bags of EPL experience and are Dyche-fit after all! Bl00dy idiot players..!"

An abstract and tragic lesson in PeePoor ingame-management!

Maybe the only good thing to come from all this, the FA may use this game as a training aid for their coaching courses in how not to manage a game..?

"A cracking example of why demanding substitutions is not the answer some seem to think."

Oh, I don't know, maybe how about making substitutions where and when needed, rather than pulling off your two main attackers, one of whom is the best player who still had legs and was still causing Bournemouth problems in the 83rd minute...

I am for calling out people who 'demand' detrimental suggestions for subs, but... come on Barry, you've got to acknowledge that today Sean blundered, or panicked or maybe both?

Totally fucked up.

What’s all this with him and smells?

You miss the point ie no substitution guarantees improvement or even continuation of the same it is a monumental gamble particularly with the squad we have.

He’s gone. He’s never coming back. He milked his luvvy boss for every penny he could get and then buggered off to Man U to please old whisky breath, his mentor.

There are so many progressive managers out there. Young and ambitious but some of you can’t see any further than that Neanderthal. For fucks sake, why not get fat Sam back as well?

Apologies if said already repeatedly

Dyche is a thick manager (that’s as kind as I can be)

…. bringing off the two players with 5 minutes to go who were stopping Bournemouth getting the ball was insanity

No game management

Cowardly capitulation

I agree that at the moment he has a newly assembled (in the main) squad with several players injured, some players with age reducing their previous skills and abilities, and a couple of U21 graduates.

In that context, he is locked in between a rock and hard place.

Agreed, in order for him to make a substitution he has to have either faith in the sub to be able to match the on-field players performance, or recognise that a player is too fatigued to contribute, or lastly a player is not performing to his (Sean's) standard.

Based on the bench today and those points outlined above (NB Those aren't every point a sub should be made e.g. a tactical change is required etc etc)

In my personal opinion, as a highly experienced manager with bags of EPL experience and knowledge, years of a playing career, and having a former England International as part of his coaching staff in Woan and Stone, do they actually add anything to the in-game management; or does Sean go it alone?

One thing I don't notice much, but I don't attend live matches, is does he have a fitness coach monitoring the players stats telling him, that 'so and so' is either pooped or OK, is it even part of his decision making process or does he rely on his eyes and nose to decide who or whom to sub?

I just feel he doesn't trust the bench, nor does he seek scientific and professional assistance during a game.

OK, his job, his neck and his decision, but... come on Sean in this day and age there are so many in game indicators and metrics that he should know from the players training what he can do with the bench.

As I said five years ago (on these pages), when I watched the first day training video re BMI and Body Fat testing, Everton are stuck in the 80's for fitness techniques and measurements.

I've no great expectation that anything has changed and that what was once state of the art at Finch Farm hasn't been kept up to date due to the club's financial constraints.

This in turn means that the players are not prepared enough for the ever changing and progressing demands of the EPL.

Q.E.D. See the last two season's starts...

Football is unpredictable of course but surely Dyche of all managers should know how to protect a two goal lead with 3 minutes to go.

Terribly damaging result to take into the international break. Dyche needs to turn it around sharply but Villa away will be very tough and pointless after 4 games is a bad look.

"In that context, he is locked in between a rock and hard place."

And that's the top and bottom of it Dyche lacks game changers anywhere in the squad. We still rely on aged full backs who wouldn't get a game anywhere else in the premiership and in that context substitutions (always a gamble) are even more dangerous here.

Trouble is for those venting it is the answer, the holy grail this "game management" caper is as easy as making some subs. Today has shown that to be bollocks

At times, from what I've seen watching the games on the TV he is currently mostly showing exasperation, or confusion, and today, even anxiety in a winning position?

He wasn't doing this last season?

Maybe his contract position and the club's ownership position are finally getting to him?

I'd respect your thoughts on the matter.

Good wishes Dave

Simply put, I agree wholeheartedly.

Many congrats on the birth of the Grand-son. I hope Mother and Baby are healthy and well, and that Dad is coping too...

Good wishes Mike.

Dyche undermined the team and let them down with his disastrous in-game mismagement. And he puts the sole blame on the team. It's never his fault.

If you take off the one player that frightened the opposition and the one player who can hold the ball up, you make it harder to play in their half.

If you stick with two midfielders who are palpably tiring, they're going to retreat and end up playing in our half.

Something is clearly wrong with our defending and I don't believe it's just down to Branthwaite's absence.

Dyche is entitled to expect players to manage the game better. We're entitled to ask why he made it harder for them.

Nobody's really running this club at the moment. Nobody's holding the team management accountable. If there was, there'd be a few people losing their jobs tonight.

You can't give Dyche shit for going defensive when in the lead, like many in here have in the past, then give him shot for not going defensive today.

The players, particularly the back 4 and gana need to take responsibility. It's their job, see out the game, knock it round, waste time, draw fouls and yeah just hoof it away.

I'm absolutely baffled.
Dyche could and should have made more changes, they had more energy at the end and it told.
He can't blame this on no money to spend !

You can't give Dyche shit for going defensive when in the lead, like many in here have in the past, then give him shot for not going defensive today.

The players, particularly the back 4 and gana need to take responsibility. It's their job, see out the game, knock it round, waste time, draw fouls and yeah just hoof it away.

I'm absolutely baffled.
Dyche could and should have made more changes, they had more energy at the end and it told.
He can't blame this on no money to spend !

You can't give Dyche shit for going defensive when in the lead, like many in here have in the past, then give him shot for not going defensive today.

The players, particularly the back 4 and gana need to take responsibility. It's their job, see out the game, knock it round, waste time, draw fouls and yeah just hoof it away.

I'm absolutely baffled.
Dyche could and should have made more changes, they had more energy at the end and it told.
He can't blame this on no money to spend !

Change the record, it's getting boring.

He may be dead but, if the players walked in the dressing room and saw his decaying remains, it would spark some kind of reaction.

I'd have a go at rebuffing your post except you very successfully do it yourself in your last paragraph.

Barry is giving it the ‘Only I can truly see' treatment again.

"Barry, of course there is an element of gambling with any substitution"

So it can't be the simple answer many seem to think. Well done for catching up.

Imagine being a Leicester fan after Maddison chipped that vital penalty into Pickford's hands in the season we stayed up at their expense! But you can't help feeling depressed tonight.

Dyche made a catastrophic decision to take Ndiaye off. He alone was capable of keeping Bournemouth on the back foot. We had no outlet after he and Calvert-Lewin were taken off.

I'm not saying sack the manager but I am (now) very worried that his ‘distrust' of using ‘unproven' players is excessive and too restrictive.

Care to respond to that or are you happy just to stick labels on other posters?

Bournemouth were never in the game and they can be thankful the score wasn't 6-0 or 7-0. Bring on the Villa!

I don't understand why are we not substituting enough when we have players on the bench. So many players tired and just gave up at the end.

Total lack of professionalism and sense of game management. You don't need a manager to teach you how to see out a game which you are winning.

Are the fans ever going to feel proud or just live in the past? Rock bottom today as a fan!

Any sport changes massively from the players point of view when the amount of substitutions grows.

I don’t think Dyche (or you) has yet fully factored that into his risk assessment.

How obvious does it need to be? We need the ownership issue resolved first. You could bring Carlo Ancelotti back and I doubt he'd do much better than Dyche with this squad. (Okay, I wouldn't've expected him to lose that game from 2-0 up today.)

Dyche's reliance on his old stagers is irritating to say the least, but for 80-odd minutes we played well today, that was also down to Dyche.

The lack of balance amongst the negative posters here is a bit of a joke. Have a moan by all means, but be realistic for fuck's sake.

Why take off Ndiaye and Calvert-Lewin, who were coasting, but Doucoure and Beto coming on didn't make sense. Coleman and Gueye were knackered, as was Tarkowski. O'Brien, Dixon right-back, and Garner to shore up midfield.

The Bournemouth manager definitely outsmarted Dyche. Instead of sitting pretty in the table, we're rock bottom because of Sean.

Coleman, Iroegbunam and Harrison were fucked and he couldn't see it. He replaces the best two players we had on the pitch who didn't look tired and put Doucoure as a Number 10 again when he's useless there and not a threat.

James Garner should have been brought on to tighten and keep hold of the ball. He won't bring McNeil off – as if putting him back on the wing is gonna offer you anything – he's useless there and better as the 10.

There is talk that Dyche doesn't see O'Brien being better than Keane; if that is the case, why buy him? But for a defence to concede 10 goals in 3 games… something isn't right.

However, we still need him out.

Potter or Carsley anyone?

There must be somewhere a publication called Game Management or something like that. The manager should seek it out as a matter of some urgency following that performance this afternoon. He should read it diligently and learn it off by heart.

He should then get his team (if you can call them that) together (whilst he has still got a team) and make sure that they are as familiar with every word as he is as there is absolutely no excuse in this world for the dismal capitulation we saw from them in such a short space of time.

To be honest, it wasn't unexpected though. We have seen signs of it coming in previous matches; however, it was particularly galling to see it after we had started and performed well in the second half until the substitutions were made. Why make them as there was no need to do so?

I think he has done a decent job in difficult circumstances since he started… but today he deserves all the crap that will be thrown his way.

Your point falls down for the obvious reason you can see how the existing players are performing; with subs, you have no idea till they get on.

In that respect, the risk is clearly higher.

What a load of bollocks. That team were in full control today by playing for each other. As the game progressed, they started to believe in each other and found a way.

Dyche utterly fucked the momentum. He walked into a party and quite simply turned off the stereo and got his banjo out.

He is damaging the confidence of these players. Get Potter now. I don't want to read in a few days time about how Dyche deserves this or he has done really well or the usual diatribe of "He was handed a terrible hand."

He came to us with eyes wide open. He needs sacking asap. Not the players… him!

I've thought for a while either Coleman or Tarkowski are shit Captains – simply not vocal enough and are too weak with either teammates and referees as well.

I'm assuming they are still speechless and in total shock.

Did you see his face today he was smiling all over, none of that dour hang-dog look. I think he may have found the answer to his supply line problem. Now he has so many options, it is up to him to get on the end of them and put them in the onion bag.

I also believe that the fans' tribute to Super Kev will also have left an impression on this fellow centre-forward. I think he will stay for his own accolades.

“Dyche utterly fucked the momentum. He walked into a party and quite simply turned off the stereo and got his banjo out.”

Take a bow, Mark, that sums today's last 10 minutes in a nutshell and made me laugh so loud it's cheered me up!

Substitute 'dick' for 'banjo' and it still couldn't be funnier.
Brilliant mate – take a bow!

As for the team – fcuk em! Until next week, natch…

Shaun (201), have you played the game? Do you recognise the terms ‘fatigue' or ‘gassed'?

Any sports player will understand that, when you hit your physical limits, even the basics become beyond you.

Same to Peter Hodgson. The answer was no subs at all?
Is this when people talk about their wages as if it should guarantee they are undefeatable?

Doucouré is done. He did nothing after coming on. Bournemouth had 5 subs on before we made 1. We looked tired on 80 minutes and they started to run us off the park with their fresh legs.

He could have made a bunch of substitutions to break up their momentum and taken the sting out of the game, lifting the crowd by bringing on the other 2 new boys. He didn't because he has no balls.

All the goals coming down Coleman's side. He can't do 90 minutes. Fresh legs should have come on when it was still 2-0. Totally threw that away. On another day we win that comfortably with better game management.

Potter couldn't tie his shoelaces at Chelsea. So how long do you think he'd last at Everton in this atmosphere?

Have a word with yourself, mate.

It doesn't even shock me anymore though.

Spineless bunch that runs right throughout this football club.

Long before we had sunk this low.

Are you honestly saying no-one can predict who is more likely to be over-run due to fatigue in the last 10 minutes of a 90-minutes-plus game; the guy who has been on from the start or the replacement who came on with 10 minutes to go?

It's not rocket science.

“Listen, you baldy twat, I'm getting you all these young players and all you do is play your fucking OAPs every game. Either you give these kids a go or I'm going to rip off your hairy balls and feed them to my dog!! Now get out of my sight, you ginger fuck!”

Of course there's blame for the players but this one is down to the coach. He had options and yet again got it wrong.

He is devoid of humility which, for me, is a huge shortcoming in anyone with limited ability.

Then, as I said earlier, to take him off and move McNeil back to the left, completely lost, and putting Doucoure at No 10, where he was shite in the first two games… unbelievable!

Still numb over Dyche's subs, he could even have brought Lindstrøm on with pace for Harrison, but listening to Dyche after the game, definitely not down to him – embarrassing.

I watched the game and was really captivated at how they grew into the game and I'm thinking to myself "Well, we have this lot, Mangala, Lindstrøm, potentially Dele (if we ever see him)… Broja after Xmas; we are going to be okay."

And then Dyche gets his dick out, as you say. Get rid of him and we'll be okay. We no longer need his shit football. We have some actual players now. I'm glad it cheered you up but I'm sat here seething with the Disc Beard and his other sidekicks.

Surely his contract will not be that much to pay him off.

Let that record sink in.

If that was Frank Lampard, then he'd have been absolutely crucified.

Yet, the irony in this particular game is that an argument could be made that the one thing the three hard boiled eggs should have done was nothing.

But they took our best player off and a few minutes later Bournemouth had their first shot on target and the rest is a damning indictment of an utter cretin who does not even have the decency or dignity to accept even part of the blame/responsibility in his post-match gravel growl. Is there a less inspiring manager in English league footy today?

Thing is, he's bollocking the players after the game and each one of them is probably thinking this is down to you and your pitiful game management.

He would of course have been rightfully fired at some point in that long winless drought but there is no clear leadership to do that. And this is still the case today. Moshiri is only interested in off-field things now. He is the bookies favourite to be the first Premier League manager to be sacked but in reality he should be at 500/1 until we get a new owner.

Never, ever, in my five decades of supporting us have I seen a more inept manager when it comes to game management and substitutions – I've just moved him above Walker after today.

Is there a remote chance that he might go over the break? That might be like searching desperately for a drop of water when the Sahara is at its most arid and unforgiving.

That's where a top manager steps in and sorts the problem out. He did nothing.

But right now, as earlier on when leaving the stadium, or in the pub afterwards, we thought Nah, we never lost that game. 2-0 up after 87 minutes, totally wiped the floor with Bournemouth, they were lucky it wasn't 6-0 or 7-0, and their fans on the way home thinking "Phew, we got off lightly there, only losing 2-0."

Their manager made five substitutions, more in hope than expectation, while ours took off our best player in Ndiaye, who was causing them all kinds of problems, and Calvert-Lewin, who could have carried on running all night, and again, was a threat to their goal.

But no, the likes of Seamus, McNeil and Harrison were almost literally on their knees, almost begging to be brought off for fresh legs which without a doubt would have helped us see the game out, in a game we were coasting.

I've yet to see any of their goals on TV, but from what I've been told, the two centre-backs, Keane and Tarkowski, should have done a lot better than just watching their attackers get on the end of crosses to score, crosses which were created as a result of poor defending, and could without doubt have been prevented with fresh legs.

I doubt we will play better this season, than we did for 87 minutes today. You couldn't fault any player, until an absolutely catastrophic last 3 minutes plus 6 minutes of added time threw the game away, a game which as I say, we were coasting, had wiped the floor with Bournemouth, and they couldn't have complained if it had been 6 or 7.

Christmas definitely came early for them.

Total tosser, out of his depth.

It was like the 'elixir of life' to Bournemouth, not to us, and it gave them a lift and us a downer. Dyche can make all the excuses, and blame the players, but hasn't he got the nous and balls to admit it was him, and him alone who was the architect of our capitulation?

I am almost speechless to suggest where we go from here!

"He is devoid of humility which, for me, is a huge shortcoming in anyone with limited ability."

That, Andy, is the most important but chilling comment. The gormless Tory twat really does believe that he has nothing to learn and no one to learn from.

For what's worth, it seemed obvious that some players were tiring pretty badly and some subs were needed to steady the team. They were on the bench but Dyche didn't see the necessity of using them or maybe trusting them to take the heat out of Bournemouth's attacking changes.

I thought the changes he did make certainly took the heat out of Everton's momentum after those changes and cost Everton an important win.

Put Dyche on gardening leave and bring in Bainsey to bring on the young lads and the new signings and watch us climb the table!

Also, Beto has the worst first touch in the squad, but comes on when we need to keep the ball and hold it up.

Sitting back with O'Brien and a back 5 would have been better but managers bow to naive fans who want good passing football.

Dyche does not know game management. He had exhausted 30+ defenders and midfielders at the 75-minute mark and he made 1 out of 5 changes in the 80-minute mark... Beto for Calvert-Lewin.

I would have changed Coleman for Dixon, Keane for O'Brien, Gueye for Doucouré, Harrison for Lindstrøm and McNeil for Garner instead of Beto for Calvert-Lewin.

Did anyone hear his comments after the game? Instead of taking responsibility, he blamed the players. Dyche killed us by not using the subs.

Unbelievable, total rubbish! I hope Moshiri takes action now and gives the new manager (hopefully Moyes) the 2 weeks to get some work done with the players before the next game at Aston Villa.

Then take off our centre-forward, who was having one of his better games, and bring on Beto, who struggles every game, and sit back further as they attack, knowing we are no longer an attacking threat.

Poor manager, poor decisions, poor game management, poor substitutions and very poor excuses. He needs to go and a manager with an attacking mindset need to be brought in.

Tim made his poor mistakes after our best player was subbed and gusto and shape fell apart. He should have been subbed after his second big error. He was exhausted, along with the three you mention.

Sadly, the third goal was down to Seamus (imo). That cross should never have been allowed but Seamus did not close him down and he had all the space in the world. Nor did Pickford cover himself in glory when the cross got into the box.

Keep an eye on Mykolenko for some of the goals (sadly). But you're right, awful defending in the middle. I sort of expect that from Keane but not from Tarkowski until the last three games, although he wasn't great shakes in the second half of last season.

Their first goal was a cross well inside the 6-yard box and Pickford watched it across him.

Makes me fume how he doesn't command even his 6-yard box.

He wouldn't say boo to a goose: remember "I agree, Kev, you take it, here's the ball mate."

Then Dyche changed it. Fuck him off now.

Logically it's just a sport, but I'm absolutely bloody gutted today. Going to take a while to recover to be honest. I must be bloody mad.

Do you think that Dyche is suffering as much as you?

Perhaps he knows that a takeover is closer than expected and perhaps he'll no longer be the manager for much longer and therefore just going through the motions until he gets that pay-off.

A stunning performance from Ndiaye; Goodison Park was rocking with applause on his substitution (no gripes from the fans for that).

If he was fucked, then the momentum of the game was surely going to change with Doucouré coming on – unable to pose a threat as great as Ndiaye nor able to get a tackle in like Ndiaye.

That sub had to be Garner for the defensive ability, to help protect the back four?

Dyche out! Replaced by..? Not my job. Just get Dyche out now, in this International break. Get him the fuck out.

In the moment euphoria, happiness, joyous surprise, blessed relief Brent. That, sadly, is why we have post-mortems and that sub was a catastrophic mistake by Dyche and his stooges (even more so in the light of failures to make the right subs: i.e. the knackered ones).

Alternatively, why make subs at all when all is going well?

Apparently the 'ginger one' didn't see fit to replace him at any stage, despite O'Brien and Garner on the bench. Gross gross mismanagement, in a game we were dominating. I could see it, 36,000 others could see it unfold in a horror show of the last 10 minutes. But not the 'master tactician.

Dyche did everything wrong and I will not be able to watch his presser until later with wine, though I hear that he did not shed a molecule of humility.

Cheers for the reply Dave. Sorry, I thought it was you who knew Sean. I've also noticed that Tony hasn't been on here yet (from what I can I see) I take it that he hasn't handled this latest well, and who can blame him, nor would he be alone...

I personally don't know what to think about Sean's mindset?

Maybe he was expecting to be rewarded rather than with just the £3.5m bonus for keeping us up two seasons ago after Fab Frank the Lamp (He's bright don'tya know!)

Then, despite the odds, the predictions and the points deductions, he kept us up last season and with a point adjusted 12th place!
Maybe he thought he deserved a contract extension, or new contract?

Maybe he was hoping new ownership would come in, and he could show them the level of work and improved performance, and looked forward to working in a more stable environment and maybe with a little more money going forward?

Who really knows why he seems to have become less 'optimistic' about these matches? Remember the rallying call after Chelsea away last season?

This year, Brighton, and it's the fans fault for demoralising and booing the players (Though the latter point maybe that it was him being booed for bringing Holgate on for Harrison?)

My last point, maybe just maybe has seen all the Social media and forum chat about time for change; "Thanks Sean now off you jog, we, The Fans, (<- which might explain his defensiveness in the pressers and PM interviews) would like some more progressive and someone with fresh, modern tactics".

Well maybe, just maybe, he might think;

"What a load of ungrateful b'tards. You've just had your best point adjusted finish since Ancelotti! Yes, we had a bad run, and yes I'm pragmatic and defensively minded, but... with no money, no real board and an absent owner, just what do you want me to do?"

I'm just being the 10th man here, or Devil's advocate.

Whichever side of the Sean Fence you're on (Should he stay or should he go, if he stays there will be trouble, if he goes it may be double?) YOU have to realise this below;

The Club is a loss making operation before interest repayments are calculated into our PL column.

We have an absentee owner.

We aren't broke, but we need our limited and reducing cash reserves to finish paying for a massive Capex project... BMD.

We are realistically selling our better players to get in squad players, yet despite all this KT who gets no end of criticism from most corners, manages to keep the squad relatively together, and we only lost Onana from our stable of four marquee names. (The others being Pickford, Branners and DCL)

As Rob Tressell and Sam Hoare keep telling us (NB No complaints here gentlemen) The squad in terms of value and quality is going backwards (well quality wise until this window I think)

People complain that we've spent money on JO'B and brought in an injured Broja!!

Well again, maybe KT knows that a deal has been made for one more year from Branners for a move of his choice next season, which is why it is a good idea to get Jake in now rather than next season, and hope he hits the ground running after Keane leaves on a free and Branners goes for hopefully, £50+m plus add-ons.

As for, Broja... might there be a swap deal in place with Chelsea?

Say AB's loan buy-out price is £30m as quoted. Well, maybe we've agreed to rehab Broja at Chelsea's cost, and DCL will join them next season, or even in January? We get between £15-20m for DCL so only pay £10-15m for AB... Better than getting circa £10m for DCL in January, or worse, let him go for nothing next July isn't it?

These boards are so reactionary some time, or worse over-judgemental.

It is always feast or famine... We have 35 games left, an improving squad, and three injured players to come back to add to the squad.

Now is a time for some serious 'critical thought' from everybody.

I personally would Like KT to have a closed door chat with Sean, IW and SS. One-to-ones initially, and then a group chat.

Then I'd like KT to 'speak' or communicate directly to Moshiri and find out just what the plan is in case of a) a takeover or b) no takeover.

This then needs communicating where necessary.

The 1st team performance is sadly blinding us all to the good work being done on the Academy and juniors side.

Apologies, back to old habits re length of post.

Good wishes