Everton’s glimpse into the future

Can’t wait to go myself. Various of us have got a stone with our names on, so looking forward to seeing those too.

Thing is, it doesn't matter one iota.

We don't want to be like the fans of a certain other club putting others down, and making pointless, classless claims, there's no need.

The stadium is amazing inside and out. It's exactly what we need and everything we hoped for believe me. The atmosphere there will be something else I can tell you that already.

The videos and photos just don't do it justice, honestly!

Walking onto that plaza last night was the culmination of thirty odd years of hope and expectation.

"It'll never get built?"

WELL IT IS NOW!

Rob Halligan was even bolder, saying: "I've had a season ticket since 1995, when we won the FA Cup, and we have won nothing since, so the first season in here we are going to win the FA Cup!

It's on TW now Rob no going back.

This is a result we believed was possible since leaflets were handed out in 1997!

Well said Brian, their obvious jealousy on the BBC is hilarious but at the same time also good to see some positive well wishers from some of the other clubs, including the Mancs. However, just spoken to a more balanced red who shrugged his shoulders and admitted that the stadium is magnificent and a credit to the city.

Love that photo can’t wait to get over next season but a trip to say goodbye to the Old Lady first.

Two services were running from the city centre every 15 minutes and one from Bootle every 15 minutes.

…I think we can confidently say that, as I write, we have the TWO best stadiums in Liverpool!

Be nice if there where a few more hostelries in the area. Went in the Ten Steet Social afterwards and it was busy with a young lad on guitar belting out Everton tunes. He was good and after a game I could imagine there being a good atmosphere around there.

The stadium itself is amazing. Could do with a few personalised Everton touches around the inside bare walls. No hot drinks available at HT. But just a few teething problems which can easily be worked out.

Despite the cold weather, the wind didn't seem to get in the stadium and it didn't feel particularly cold. Hoping the steep stands and enclosed area makes for a hell of an atmosphere when full and bouncing.

Stadium is lined up for Euro 28 and can see visitors being blown away. Looking back towards town with the city lit up and the mersey in the background is damn impressive.

Aren't things quite similar at Goodison as they're going to be at BMD?

Not sure whether there are anymore in the pipeline. Area could be fantastic if developed.

And there's a lot of Blue Badge users parking around Goodison? I've been told that you can't park in the new zone around BMD even with a blue badge?

Most big grounds struggle - especially in the stampede at full time. A water taxi would be a brilliant addition (unless you're pissed and fall in) but we probably don't "need it".

It just looks brilliant though - a proper modern stadium to help us shed a (sadly deserved) image of an old fashioned club.

Does seem to be a disconnect with the logistical side, if we are hosting concerts and stuff then more travel, facilities and accommodation I would have thought would be a given, given how easy it would be to get something from Town to BMD, a straight line. I would have thought Trams would be perfect, one every 5 minutes on events day. Maybe all that will come with time.

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I know this may sound controversial but I also think Moshiri should also be there first game
Regardless of all the shite he’s put us through without him we’d still be at Goodison and not a nee ground anywhere on the horizon

Just to end. I’ve heard and read so many comments and articles regarding the issues of having ferries picking up and dropping off at BMD
I can only tell you that cost and time wise it is absolutely nothing.
A tidal jetty can be installed on the outer wall quickly at so little a cost it is not even worth talking about we install them worldwide every day!

Shame that the people in charge seem to regard infrastructure and transport as an afterthought. Building a brand new stadium should have included such matters at the planning and approval stage and not be limited to a tarmac area outside Sandhills with a few metal barriers.

Robert mentions above that the situation is not dissimilar to the Etihad in Manchester when it opened. Indeed, but the major difference was that there was no 1.5 mile exclusion around the stadium and loads of industrial units were accessible for car parking.

Yes, it can be difficult getting away from Goodison on match days but the Old Lady is accessible from four directions not two (one?) and at least there is a major car parking available at Stanley Park, half a mile away.

Talk of ferries, trams etc is fanciful. The original ferries could not endure as a daily commuting facility and only survived as a tourist attraction. So, how is a once a fortnight facility going to pay its way? Even after the millions of pounds in setup costs. Same argument applies to a tram system.

The answer has got to lie in an enhanced shuttle bus service and improved car access.

I don’t blame the club. I blame the council. If they want to regenerate the area, they’re going to have to get their act together pretty sharpish.

Due to lateness, I got a cab the 5-6 miles from Oxton to BMD.

After being dropped at the corner of Walter St/Regent Rd by the Titanic, it was a short walk to the stadium.

A quick photo opportunity under the Bramley-Moore sign on the dock wall, and into the stadium we went.

First impressions: just "WOW".

Dan Meis, I salute you sir.

There was no beer, tea or coffee at the 'Test Kitchen' so I opted for an old-skool Bovril and a cheese & onion pie. Both were top drawer.

Slight moan: there are far too few places to plonk down food/drink. We shouldn't be using wheelie bin lids as tables.

Suitably refreshed, up the steps and onto the south terrace we ventured. The first glimpse of the pitch felt like my first trip to the Old Lady with my grandad Bill back in '77 (sadly, Bobby Latchford is now retired!).

It was all a bit over-whelming. I kid you not. The sheer size, the lack of pillars, the steep stands on all sides...simply magnificent.

The sound quality as the air-raid sirens and Z Cars blasted out was most excellent. The screens are also superb, although the ref with the wagging finger and the crying player should be brought back.

At 6'1" the legroom is just 'OK'.

Like a lot of folks, we bailed at half-time mainly due to the cold and the fact that it was only an under-18s game.

As a keen cyclist I had a look at the bike rack behind the dock wall for future reference. Someone had parked a bike there so I won't be the first user when the weather warms up! It did look solid enough though.

After a quick pint of Ireland's finest in the Titanic we called an Uber. Schoolboy error - traffic restrictions make it hard for pick-ups on the surrounding roads. This didn't end well.

After the epic Uber fail, we walked the 1.5 miles or so back to James St and got the train back to the Dark Side. Another hike home up Oxton Mountain from Birko Central certainly helped my step count.

Onwards & upwards.

Up the Bramley-Moore Toffees :-)

The council are a disgrace but with the landscape possibly getting ready to change with regards the political party, that currently finds itself in charge, this is another worry with regards infrastructure for both football clubs

If we had a forward thinking council we'd have built a tram the full length of the waterfront from the arena to Bootle, bringing the whole waterfront together. Instead there appears to have been next to nothing done by Liverpool Council other than putting up parking charges by 40%, ending free nighttime city centre parking, and implementing the strictest parking zone in the city, far worse than at Goodison and Anfield that we have today. Again, out of the Club's control but the city council and metro mayor should be ashamed.

The stadium
There are no words to describe how impressive it really is. Everton said it is not finished and kitted out properly yet but what was there last night already blew me away. The South stand is very steep I was sitting row 54 out of 63 last night. I went to the back to check and it's some walk. There really isn't a bad view there. One thing I will say it was freezing last night. Obviously again not Everton's fault but be wary it does seem colder than Goodison, as you're not as tightly packed in.
Food and Drink
There's was not a full offering on last night. What was on offer was really good quality. Obviously the prices were expensive but most stadium prices are. We paid £9.50 for a few chicken strips, £2.95 for a bottle of Tango, £2.25 for a bottle of water and £3.50 for an Everton donut. I guess Everton just need to be careful here. Charge too much sell toolittle. The prices are not that much worse than Goodison today though.
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We were in South Upper
The area was amazing the view of the city, the space, the fact when open you'll be able to walk around nearly the whole ground is going to be great for fans to meet. They couldn't sell alcohol last night, but you can see it being really popular even if it's expensive.

Overall it was a special night and I feel privileged to be one of the first fans in there. This ground is something to be proud of and will definitely generate lot more revenue for the club. It's just a shame the Council and Metro Mayor are more interested in fleecing fans than helping them.

Rob #17, you're not exactly hard to spot, mate!

Paul #35, Andy #37, Brian #27, thanks for your reports as well. I'm living vicariously through the narratives!

Mike I have to confess that videos was actually Rob's. I missed videoing the walkout but thought you'd appreciate hearing Z Cars more than my videos which were done a few minutes later.

Brian W, wouldn’t be that far parking by the saddle, my mate lives around the corner and said it took him about 20 minutes to walk it, so I can honestly see quite a few people still drinking on county Rd, before the game although I’m not sure that many will return after the game?

Quite the obverse in fact, they have made it more difficult for access. There was all talk of a new station (Merseyrail) closer to the site, ferry links etc. Their answer parking restrictions and no-go areas for traffic during match days with none of the aforementioned fulfilled.

It will be a nightmare, when at full capacity as apparently there were reports of problems last night with a mere 10,000 !

They can't have it both ways !

You should be ashamed of yourself and your cronies on the council Mr Rotherham.

We've already thought about that mate. Might make good sense.

Andy, you're welcome mate.

Most of the time, unless the infrastructure is already in place, it's not possible. Buses get caught in the same traffic that cars do. Rail lines take years and billions to build. People movers like they use in LA are a joke.

When the US World Cup venues were announced last year, I read an article about access to the various venues. I will watch the games at Seattle's Lumen Field, the most accessible US site because we have ferryboats and buses and a monorail line that was built for the 1962 World's Fair and has been repurposed to get people to the stadium. But the stadium hosting the most games, in Texas, can only be reached by car -- no public transport at all. And SoFi Stadium in LA is a joke to access -- they had a Taylor Swift concert that looked like the overhead drone shots of a pilgrimage to Mecca.

Worst of all, the final will be held at MetLife Stadium in New Jersey, where it is literally illegal to walk to the game. There will be herds of European and South American tourists leaving their hotels and trekking for a couple of miles down heavily trafficked roadways with no sidewalks to reach the stadium.

The solutions mentioned above by Ian and Andy and Derek are great, but your Council has no access to the billions required to implement them. If the US experience is any indication, the access problem to the new stadium will take years to solve, and very possibly will never be solved at all. The places I mentioned have been operating for years without the transit disaster ever being addressed. People just get used to it.

Seriously though, from the river Mersey ferry terminal, which is what I assume you mean, will take no longer than about 25 minutes, thirty at the most, to walk to the stadium.

The issue isn’t the money it’s that the development of transport links hasn’t run in parallel with the development of the stadium.

I understand the frustration of the traffic problems but I think the no parking problem is going back to the council to be considered again, it’s February now and six months before we kick off in earnest at our new ground, things could a lot different then and I guarantee in six years you won’t remember how the whole area is now and how wonderful it will be then with a whole village springing up right along the Dock Road right up to the edge of Crosby with hotels, new businesses, pubs, houses and the traffic problems a thing of the past—— look to a bright future away from the misery we have faced but not gone under and all those young fans who have stood by the club and the team and not seen us win anything will see a huge change and a much happier time supporting Everton.

That’s interesting Pete, so we can expect this to be all resolved in the future then, whenever that is.

Doing nothing is a recipe for disaster. Brighton solved their accessibility issues with designated car parks and a fleet of buses. Coventry use waste land around the ground as car parks.

The walk from the Pier Head to Bramley Moore took me 35 minutes by the way. Mind you I am fairly fit but at 71 with an arthritic knee, it’s not going to get any easier!

It's not billions to build, and would offer all the links to train stations, City centre & further direct links to save the city centre being clogged on match days.

A hub offering:
Shuttles from existing carparks used at goodison
Busses from all over the city.
Shuttles from train stations
Buses from the city centre.
Drop off areas for cars
Taxi pick up and drop off

It should be the minimum that the council should have already provided.
More investment in the area would have already been achieved if this was built now. There would already be hospitality venues springing up.

Don't give these councillors and MPs their photo opportunities, don't let them claim to be helping in the regeneration, call them out !

The club have given the city a development that only comes round every 100-150 years.
They deserve to be backed by local government.

So under the funding model you describe, it seems like while the local Council hasn't been at all proactive in addressing the situation, its flexibility for action is actually pretty limited.

But a better system than the US for sure. Here the local taxpayers get soaked while the stadium owners get big tax breaks and rake in millions over the years.

At the moment we are looking at just home supporters struggling to park, or catch trains, have they put a plan into place for that.

One question - there were comments about Sandhills station being dangerously overcrowded even with a 10,000 attendance. Fifty thousand fans in a stadium with one road exit and a small railway station - does the council or the government have to sign off a safety certificate before the season starts?

Probably much too late, but what we don't need is The Council getting all 'Jobsworth' and Officious. I don't suppose they could lose their red (both politically and rs) and green environmentalist glasses for 6hrs a fortnight and let, for want of a better work, private enterprise and the people themselves work it out and turn a blind eye to the letter of the law.

Nah, didn't think so.

I posted the following on the Beto thread the other day. I wasn’t going to stick my bib in again because I have been like a broken record over this for years - and I live 12,000 miles away now. But seeing as how you mentioned here it is.

James - the problem with most local authorities, councils, etc, etc is they have no vision. They let the problem happen then react.

Anyone with any vision would have used the development of the stadium as part of an overall transport plan for the waterfront which will see huge development over the next few years resulting in lots of people requiring access to good public transport.

We have talked about this years ago. I did an update of a solution that sticks out like dogs balls. Post 26.

Trackless Trams

The tracks for these trams can be laid very quickly at a fraction of the cost of other alternatives. The trams themselves can run on ordinary roads to other track in different parts of the city. A very cost effective solution.

https://ToffeeWeb.com/season/19-20/comment/fanscomment/38269.html

https://youtube.com/shorts/ex6z7EBaTYU?si=oLBlBdlrEodWToV8

https://www.stirling.wa.gov.au/your-city/shaping-our-city/search-all-projects/trackless-trams-business-case

The new stadium will host games for Euro 2028. Time for some smart cookie to cut a deal for funding with the powers that be. The alternative (sitting on their hands) will be very embarrassing for all concerned.

PS - they should have made the dock an underground car park under the pitch.

That seems like an absolute logistical nightmare to me.

How much would it have added to the build cost even if it could be made to work with the limited access?

So how come that has not happened at BMD?

It should even have been in Dan Meis' remit?

I am applying Occam’s razor to the obvious fact that there appears to be no plans in place for getting 50k in and out rapidly, and currently postulating that it may be a deliberate policy to induce an increased dwell time at the stadium itself on match days to potentially increase/ maximise revenue from food and drink consumption.

A big reason for the new stadium was to enable the club to increase its overall revenue wasn’t it?

I think part of the problem with the Kirkby plans was that they didn’t really want the fans hanging around the stadium and it’s environs either before or after.

They may well have looked at the viability and decided it could not be done for engineering reasons - we will probably never know.

Actually Si I wish I hadn’t gone off on a tangent and put that PS in now because what’s done is done as opposed to the main purpose of my post which was to suggest the trackless trams as part of the overall solution.

There will be more from me on the trackless trams though - I can’t let it go.

Hopefully these aspects are being prioritised as priority 1s, there's no time left now, in sense of getting proven match day solutions in place.

But massive positives all around for Everton FC and hopefully it will continue this weekend.

UTFTs!

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Most of the research has already been done in Perth and the idea is catching on across the country.

If they are as mad in the UK about net zero as they are here Liverpool City Council could probably get funding for this off the UK government.

Paul # 86 - one of the main advantages of trackless trams is the tracks can be installed very quickly on existing road surfaces.

Looks like a great idea and bearing in mind it’s pretty much a straight line it would be perfect to link up the whole of the Waterfront to Town, not just BMD. Increased volume on match days/events seems like a no brainier to me.

As someone else mentioned walking the 1.5 miles along the front may be fine in Spring/Summer time but would be no joke in the Winter months. Hopefully if nothing happens beforehand then the Euros could be the catalyst for investment of this nature to accommodate all the extra visitors to the area.

Like others have said it’s not necessarily the obligation of the local council to fund projects like this but surely a bit of business acumen would have allowed them to see how this could assist with private enterprise regeneration of the whole Waterfront area to the benefit of the city as a whole. If it proves to be viable then take it out as far as the airport, again one big straight line.

David W (65), I'm not being critical at all of you but you sum it all up perfectly for me: "Shuttles from existing carparks used at Goodison [that is one of the best ideas on here] Buses from all over the city. Shuttles from train stations Buses from the city centre. Drop off areas for cars. Taxi pick up and drop off".

Selfish, because it is all about us, carving and rearranging the city for our benefit alone.

There are other people in the city as well.

First, I would hate to be an away fan driving to the match. I should know this, apologies, but is there is a designated parking place for away coaches?

And no one has mentioned policing. One relatively small access point for everyone! The Dock Road and the Plaza could host a scrap or two. Can someone tell me where the away fans will be inside the ground. I’m assuming that it will be in the North Stand.

There are more than 52,000 people in Liverpool who depend on public transport who will not be going to the match. They need buses and trains in their lives over the weekend. But we’re on here calling for a conveyer belt of trains and buses all converging on Sandhills and BMD (love you Brian W, but “Two services….running from the city centre every 15 minutes and one from Bootle every 15 minutes” is a tiny splash in the ocean).

We want to shift the epicentre of Merseyrail to Sandhills, not Moorfields, Central, Lime Street or St. James). A crap windy station with one platform and inadequate stairs will not be able to cope.

Meanwhile Agnes in Knotty Ash is wondering why her bus to go shopping is nowhere to be seen and Blakey has told her that there is a shortage of buses as they are needed to get people to BMD. And Agnes supports QPR. Meanwhile Horatio in Crosby is well pissed off because the last two trains ran straight through Crosby Station packed to the rafters and Horatio is blowing his angry horn because poor Fred the station manager in the front/firing line has explained that the next train to town will be in 34 minutes. And Horatio fucking hates footy (even more now) and loves croquet, rugger, and dressage.

So, we just tap and type here like the Gods at the top of Mount Olympus playing with people for their sport, rearranging transportation to suit us. And does anyone think that those extra trains heading off to Sandhills are going to be filled by footy fans alone? The train arriving at Platform 1 is for footy fans alone, any other category of traveller including shoppers cannot board this train, repeat …..

There are others to think about not just the BMD faithfull who in their view will have an equal right to board buses and trains on matchdays for their own ends. There is a much bigger population to think about.

This is a much bigger problem than us.

LCC are mainly to blame. They are responsible. But we'll get lambasted and lampooned too,

I expect majority of of fans will be dropped around the Scottie area and walk down - 15-20 minutes ? Those unable to walk far WILL find a way.

It's not all doom and gloom. Taxi and private hire drivers from area's around the city - Even wools from the likes of St Helens and Crosbie will come in for guaranteed earnings. A shared cab can be the cheapest form of transport.

Of course there will be teething problems and we need to see more bars and restaurants to cater for those who get there early before the game and those who want to linger around afterwards.

We'll find a way

Seen many changes not all for the greater good. As with most local governments they only seem to plan and build short term, the Kwinana freeway is a joke at peak hour. Warnbro train station should have been built with a multi storie car park.

But good luck to all you fellow blues going to the match, a long walk after a win won't seem too bad, but hell if walking after a defeat..

But Colin I have been to countless London away games and a few minutes was a long wait outside tube stations unless Uncle Bill intervened.

There's no getting away from it. We face our own unique issues and London is not necessarily the best litmus paper test or comparison where there are multiple lines and options if you know your way around.

Town, Moorfileds, Sandhills on one route is not the same.

BTW; Well done for not biting at the little "wool" jibe. I was convinced you would

Many fans like me will opt to walk from town to the match, taking in a few city centre pubs before and after.

I was on a task force several years before the opening of our magnificent soccer/football stadium just steps from my home in Minnesota. If there’s one thing I learned — and this may not translate exactly to England — but here in the States it’s pretty clear that there’s no widespread evidence of new stadiums leading to significant economic development, and that makes sense. Why would or should matches 20 days a year dictate hundreds of millions in public money on infrastructure, all with the goal of supporting billionaire owners, while people all around our stadiums live in poverty?

Several years from its opening, in the heart of our capital city, and despite it being one of the nicest soccer/football stadiums in America, it hasn’t led to one iota of development around it. Any development that happened would’ve occurred anyway, which is the case in most examples people cite as evidence of stadiums leading to more development. Even worse, it lies on the corner of the center of our homeless and fentanyl epidemics. And the owners couldn’t give a shit what happens as long as people show up on match days.

Don’t get me wrong: I’m a sucker for my teams as much as you all. I shell out good money for season tickets to our sleazeball owner for our mediocre squad, Minnesota United, because I love the sport. And I bleed blue first and foremost: my trip to Goodison last April was epic, and I can’t wait to take my family to BMD one day soon. I’m as excited as you all are.

But I think we lose sight of what we supporters deserve and what’s a good use of our taxes. Nobody wants chaos, congestion, brawls and the like on match days. But you also can’t convince me that building a shiny new stadium in Minnesota was good for anyone other than the supporters, so as far as I’m concerned every dollar we spent to help the owners was a waste. Everton needed a new stadium, and I’m glad we have it — and I also know nothing about the workings of the LCC — but it is a bit selfish to expect massive investment for the occasional match. Sensible plans to get people to and from matches? Of course. But let’s be reasonable about the higher-level reality.

I’ll be interested to see if real development occurs around BMD in coming years or if it’s all just wishful thinking.

You will love the Dock Road and the walls when you go there Jonathan.

The Etihad by contrast is in a random dumpy part of the outskirts of Manchester - albeit slowly being developed.

I went to the Allianz in Munich last summer and that is detached from the city in a random location (but decent transport links). There's nothing there apart from the stadium which surprised me.

I also understand the Council can’t fund everything, but I note whilst United are funding their new stadium, the Government committed to supporting regeneration of the surrounding area, that will include some infrastructure. Where are our ‘grants for economic growth’’?

There is a huge win for Liverpool the City in regenerating this area, to do so you have to put a bit in ( improved transport links) in order to get a lot back.
Better transport links will make it more likely apartment blocks get built etc.

We shouldn’t be having this transport conversation at this point in time.

I hadn’t read your very sensible post Johnathon O, but this is different, the scope for regeneration of what is mostly industry and dilapidation, is incredible. My mate was telling me yesterday how he bought a flat about ten minutes from the stadium twenty years ago for £80k and it’s now worth around £330k, is maybe one example, although the dream is what Laurie Hartley, has posted on this website about the regeneration of a similar dilapidated area around Melbourne docks, so I would love him to post an up to date report about its progress.

The new 777 (I kid not) trains will add 50% capacity, close to 500 passengers, but the plan to introduce 8 carriages would allow double this amount. Edinburgh tramline cost roughly £100 million per mile and that was over ten years ago, so I don’t expect to see this current funding covering such a scheme.

Some clear communication from the public bodies involved would help.

Have a scroll through this link - you will see before and after images as well as much more about the economics.

https://www.development.vic.gov.au/projects/docklands?page=overview

One last comment about the trams. If you have the time to listen to the link at #87 you will hear how putting the transport links in encourages private investment and development. That is why they decided to have a pilot model.

Si @77, I've been under the impression that we would aim to keep people in the stadium prior to and after the match. Not only will that generated income for the club, it will avoid bottlenecks. I was doing some work, providing services for Tottenham at the time they opened their new stadium. Our host explained that they wanted to change the whole match day experience.

Paul, I think a new station seems a good first step, but not like the single platforms currently on the northern line. Liverpool South Parkway is a good example, with its multiple platforms. I agree though, whatever is put in place, needs to service more that just service the Everton stadium. We have millions of tourists and day trippers in the city annually, generating billions of££.

I won't mention Monorail again (just have!). Trams could be an option, although could have already been in place but for the failed project in the 2000s, but any of the proposed lines would have gone BMD way.

I've experienced some good tram systems on the continent, and like wise electric buses, connected to overhead cables and running in a dedicated lane. Similar to the electric trams mentioned by Laurie.

We have a unique and fantastic stadium that sits as an iconic beacon on the Mersey. Let it be the catalyst for the regeneration of the northern docks as it was / is supposed to be.

I should mention that I am not averse to walking. I once had to run from the Bramley Moore after the gang pressed me into "just one more drink". I caught the last train the Euston dipping for the line, with 2 minutes to spare.

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I also think the seats could do with something rather than just all blue.

On one hand, watching some of them before earlier this year during the Arctic cold snap dressed in not many clothes. One stag doo had taken a Roman Toga theme, so were in sandals and bedsheets. It must have been a good idea at the time!

The frightening scene of walking towards Lime Street for an early train to be approached by a gang of girls doing the "walk of shame", still in last nights attire. I say walking in the loosest sense. There weren't many straight lines out there.

Almost enough to make you come out with something your mother would say to your sister. "You're not going out in that"!!

https://www.liverpoolcityregion-ca.gov.uk/news/piling-demolition-and-welding-full-speed-ahead-for-woodside-ferry-terminal-revamp

I took the train into the city not long after it opened. The train had all these posters advertising the benefits of why you should use it.

Then when I returned I had a parking ticket slapped on my windscreen for parking my car on the verge with 5 others because there was no where else to park it. It was not being obstructive, I was not a happy happy.

Visiting fans coming to Bramley Moore will see some great Architectural sights if they look around and even above the shop signings some of the buildings are truly stunning. This has to be a better sight and more impressive than catching the bus or taxi down Spellow Lane or even to Anfield.

You know 3 years ago if anyone had said that Man Utd, Spurs and even West Ham would have a poor team in 2025 most people would have laughed. Teams rise and fall what counts most is the actions and class of the fans, the players and club.

Visiting someone's home (base) and insulting them like an U18 player did on Monday shows rudeness and little class, similarly a manager quoting that youngster's actions.
Looking closely at Doucouré's action in the derby he was simply telling the fans to quieten down until he was grabbed by Jones.
Still this action is unacceptable by me and most of the Everton fans I have spoken with.

I hope all of us Everton supporters start with a new perspective on our history. Forget bad mouthing past bad owners, managers and players. You do not hear the reds talking about Hicks and Gillette.

Are we selfish by spending 800m building a once in a lifetime development to bring in jobs, taxes, commerce, visitors to the city for the council and people of Liverpool to benefit from ?

A transport hub similar to southparkway wouldn't only be used on matchdays. It would provide better links for the people of North Liverpool all year round.
It would also be a catalyst to boost the redevelopment of the area.
Delivering more public transport doesn't mean cutting other services "Agnes " will still get to the ASDA.
Now Rotherham has put up his railings in southparkway does that mean "Agnes" is at risk now her railings have been stolen ?

There's no joined up thinking, no overall, longterm strategy. That's what I belive most people voicing there concerns are not happy about.
Even a short to mid term plan hasn't really been explained.

There should be clear communication of what the longterm goal is for example:
We want XYZ by 2030
We want XY in next 2 years
We are doing ABC now to improve things in the short term.

6 months and a few test events will show up the failings and it will be to late to implement proper solutions.

They had spotted the white wall half way down the South Stand where the fans were and thought that might be an ideal spot to use the original pieces and transport them to our new place...

Something old, something new, something borrowed, something blue !

See post#113.

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Will take a look now !

(I was at an event in London when the Merseytravel Chairman, who was a friend and good Blue, was in attendance as was the then Transport Minister - Glenda Jackson - a week after Merseytravel's scheme was killed off - with them having spent around £60m on preparatory work, design etc. I mischievously asked Mr. Dowd what he thought of the decision, knowing full well that Ms. Jackson was standing right behind him. Let's just say he didn't hold back on his views of her career as an Actress, as well as a politician. Fortunately the journalist within earshot gracefully agreed not to have heard him!)

For any major scheme like that there would need to be studies, and it would need to be in as part of the overall masterplanning process - which I don't believe it is. It could be revived, but I'd be surprised in the economic situation the country is in if it is.

I haven't lived / worked in the UK for over 20 years but I have to say they can't build infrastructure to any sort of budget anymore for whatever reason. HS2 is a classic case in point. Original budget was £40bn, ballooned to £106bn after it was decided to put very costly tunnels in marginal Tory constituencies so they didn't blight the view. Now the scheme is pared back to just London to Birmingham, and hey presto what was a marginal cost-benefit ratio is now severely negative.

Does anyone know if BMD is scheduled to hold any of the knockout games in Euro28 or is it Group stage only? Either way I'm pretty sure the Council will have eyes on that, rather than the start of our campaign in August.

With a bit of luck, the fact that Liverpool is now a Combined Authority should mean co-ordinaton is better. The first iteration of Merseytram was a bun fight between Merseytravel (who wanted it to serve high denisity corridors where people actually wanted to move within) and the myriad of quangos that existed at the time - who essentially wanted a tourist attraction.

I read recently that the owners of the Bramley Moore pub were offered £1m to sell, and refused. Good on them.

I also recently saw a "league table" of pubs within the catchment area of grounds. We were (magnificent) 7th with 23. Newcastle was top by a distance with 174.

When I lived in London there was about 25-30 of us who would go to away games as a group. We had selected boozers we'd go to, and let the owner/manager know in advance. Some would lay a buffet on. One place near London Bridge was a regular before going to Charlton (or, Millwall, but never made that trip). The owner quite happily had a sign up saying "Everton fans only". He said he loved our visits as it was one of his best days takings...

This must be the clinching argument: "old videos of it are gear". Hard hats, spades, shovels, trowels, and rakes at the ready. We start 8AM Friday prompt.

There we plenty of Evertonian in Birkenhead and North Wales in those days so if that hasn’t changed much a ferry from Woodside would be a terrific hassle free way of getting to our new stadium - weather provided.

I think Kenwright is more to blame. Moshiri seemed inept but Kenwright was just all about keeping his finger in the pie even if that meant to the detriment of the club.

I agree about Shithouse-Slot, who has only been at Liverpool for a few months and has already proved why after six letters my predictive text just writes wantitbothways, although I have to put the FC, in myself.

The pressure is definitely getting to the cloggy, but can Arteta, get his team to put a real sustained run together?

what would a great glimpse of the future is if DM can get another 3 points on Saturday against a very poor UTD.

Personally, I'm quite enjoying our club being relevant again. Liverpool 'fans' are obsessed with us. It's pathetic really. I'm happy to rise above it and just be better, as we of course are.

New owners and new manager who so far have made all the right moves, and long may it continue.

I’ve asked many times what good Bill Kenwright ever did with regards his association with Everton football club, besides the incredibly sad but beautiful way he received the young child Bradley Lowery, and I’m still waiting for an answer that shows the positive things the man actually did.

All water under the bridge I said, so let’s hope so

They are obsessed Ernie, so hopefully Moyes can take a trick out of Joe Royle’s book, and keep giving those smug little answers every time they don’t get it all their own way, that they invented!

Club, Played, Points, Goal Diff

Manchester United, 1,228, 2,501, +1,133

Arsenal FC, 1,228, 2,314, + 976

Liverpool FC, 1,228, 2,258, + 947

Chelsea FC, 1,228, 2,245, + 853

Tottenham Hotspur, 1,228, 1,913, + 327

Everton FC, 1,228, 1,650, - 24

Shameful. Negative goal difference ffs

(City, despite having 5 seasons out are well ahead of us)