Will Tyrique George get a chance?

There should be (if there already is one) a certain criterion for loaning players in that they should play a certain amount of minutes to get them up to speed, including a full game at least.

George, Dibling, Röhl, Aznou, Alcaraz, and Armstrong need the opportunity to prove a point and that they are more than capable of playing Premier League football.

Lately we seem to have been able to cause teams some real problems even whilst maintaining the manager's vaunted defensive solidity so hopefully Finch Farm is a real hot-house of flair and positivity that we may see more and more of on match days.

It's a shame about this kid. I really liked the glimpses we got. And if we weren't still in contention for the Champions League, I think we'd be seeing a lot more of him.

Yes. I've also heard Everton won't be taking the option up to sign George.

Let Moyes pick what he considers the best team and finish as high up in the table as possible, possibly qualifying for Europe?

Or get him to play the youngsters, who he and the other coaches see every day in training, just to give them some game time and we can see them... whilst we finish mid-table?

And I agree with John Collins if he means coming to Everton is a waste of time. If Armstrong was only brought back for cover, how come he's still here and not back at Preston to play more games and gaining more experience and progress?

John #7, and there's the conundrum. The fans are genuinely excited at the chance we could make Europe, and they'd have Moyes drawn and quartered if we missed out because he sat starters to give "experience" minutes to the kids.

At the moment, we only have just enough to field one. Keep the lad!

Have you had a look at the kids getting games in the Premier League?

Sit out at Everton or sit out at Chelsea? Both the same..

We could potentially give it our best shot and also accelerate the development of some young players. It's not just about this season, it's also about the next 2-5 years.

What good is qualifying for Europe if we don't also have a squad that will enable us to compete in multiple competitions?

Good, reasonable post. I'm talking in general when it comes to Moyes picking young players.

Play your best eleven for the next 7 games and go for 7 wins. If he has a go, trying for Champions League, and we don't qualify for any European football, he will get my highest praise.

I don't want to see us failing by playing percentage football.
Champions League football would be a game-changer for the club.

It's a tough decision to bring on youngsters like George with more experienced players on the bench, but George is definitely an option, with his pace alone, to bring on for the last 30 minutes when we're trying to find a winner.

If Moyes can be less conservative...

Ndiaye is coveted, but is another Everton player that needs tying down to a new contract. I am optimistic it can be done. Branthwaite, Pickford and Garner are done, so why not him?

I still hope we could get Harry Wilson on a free. He would bring goals and assists on the right, and he would complement Dewsbury-Hall and Garner as another bright footballer. On a free transfer, despite a big signing-on fee, I see value in bringing him in despite the age. He can play a couple of positions and looks in good nick.

That would leave decisions on Dibling, George, and Mcneil for the 2nd right wing spot.

I think they'll take the money on offer for McNeil. I don't see a new contract being put on the table, with Dwight is out of contract in 2027. His wages aren't huge mind.

I'd hope Dibling will stay. He of course needs games, but I sincerely hope he's part of the team next season. I'd hope a European campaign will provide him with more opportunities. It might be negative, but if he goes on loan and it goes badly, where the hell does that leave us?

George for £22-25M looks unlikely. Plenty of other wingers being linked. I'd struggle to see a permanent offer being made for someone that I don't think goes past the above. Why spend that money if it's not taking the team forward significantly? I can only see another loan or a back-up option if things don't pan out.

My outlay would be modest. I'd like a sizeable amount of money put into that Number 10 spot. A Cunha type who will score a lot of goals. Someone who could go into a No 9 or No 10, and allow Dewsbury-Hall to play No 8 or No 10. Alcaraz leaves.

The mantra of giving youth a chance is all well and good when they are good enough, If George shows it, then he will get in.

I am sure Chelsea won't be giving George away with a fiver and some cereal packet tops (ask your Dad), so he is going to cost serious money, consider this against other players, perhaps proven and it adds questions.

I think Moyes will swerve and have another look at alternatives; that said, I would love George to tear it up and prove his worth and be a great signing for Everton.

Never really got this "play x so we can see what he can do".

It's not like the supporters are ever going to be picking the team.

How likely is it we could get Grealish on another loan if he's only got a year left on his current contract?

Moyes has 'stumbled', much like Ancelotti did with his Wall of 4; a (basic 11) system that worked... Moyeses system is not quite 'Wall of 4' - more like 'Wall of 3.5'

They say that managers get a tune out of certain players, who knew that McNeil and Beto still had a tune left in them?

You add in Moyes's apparent reluctance to change things and, baring calamitous circumstances, George isn't on a winner.

Ian # 15 - Grealish represents a bit of a conundrum for me. His best position is on the left wing; same applies for Ndiaye. The question for me is: Can one of them play as a No 10? Because I think playing Ndiaye on the right is a compromise that is not worth making.

I can see Man City letting some club take him on loan again on more favourable terms than this season, especially given his injury woes.

I am still astonished that Moyes selected him again after the deal broke down. His improved performances since then have only moved him upwards from a poor to a sub-average player and he certainly should not be with us next season.

If we make it to any sort of European competition, it will be all hands on deck, McNeil and George included.

This is a case where it looks like George is talented enough but the circumstances Moyes faced limited his opportunities. Staying within the Europe conversation meant going with what worked, and emphasis on defensive solidity meant veterans first.

Had we been more mid-table or had McNeil not returned to form, George surely would have had his chance.

Whether you think it was Moyes being too tight on a first eleven or just going with what was working does not matter. The Moyes way has us controlling our own destiny down the stretch.

I believe it would have been better with more rotation. We could be in a place now where George knew team-mates well enough to make the tradeoff worthwhile to Moyes. At this point, his risk on defence outweighs potential playmaking given the offensive prowess of our opponents.

Again, this is what you get with Moyes but then again, it is fuckin working. My tone is perhaps not supportive because I think Moyes's approach with youth leaves us in selections that will produce a lower long-run ceiling.

Playing Aznou, Dibling and George more may have worked out on the high end or may have been innocuous to our Premier League position. In those cases, we would damn sure be in a stronger position squad-wise and transfer-wise.

Can either play in a Number 10? Yes, they can. The issue I see on that is a lack of a better option on the right, and probably Grealish's work rate at Number 10. I sincerely hope we are playing 50+ games next season, so the squad will need to deal with that.

Can Grealish come back on loan? It is a negotiation. Man City are contracted to pay him for another 12 months at £300k-odd a week. He doesn't have to go anywhere else.

Man City want rid, and would prefer a permanent deal. But that assumes the interested club is prepared to buy him, rather than loan. Until we know differently, we are bidding against ourselves.

Grealish remains a player that would do a great job for us, but I think his options outside of us are limited. He is enjoying his football, at the tail end of career, so I can't seeing him wanting to uproot it for a move outside of the North-West or sit on the bench for clubs that can afford him.

I am reminded of the Gareth Barry situation. We took Gareth on loan, and signed him for £2M odd, despite him being out of contract at the end of the loan. I can see the same again. At the end of his deal, he moves onto a wage structure within the Everton range.

I don't see a scenario where we are paying Grealish twice that of the highest earners in the dressing room. Nor, would I expect Grealish to walk away from that last year of £300k per week without being compensated for it.

Derek 22 -- I agree. But there will be transfers out, other than out-of-contract Coleman.

There are decisions to be made on a lot this summer, as they're out of contract in 2027. They either need new contracts or selling if we want to ensure lads aren't walking for free.

Mykolenko, Patterson, Beto, Keane, Gana, McNeil, Alcaraz, Coleman, George, Grealish, Iroegbunam.

It seems that TFG have decided to do what the American owners are doing at Chelsea in buying youth. But clearly the manager doesn't seem to be on the same page as the recruitment team... Despite him having the final say, it's hard to believe he would sanction the transfers of Dibling and Aznou in particular and give them so few minutes.

Seemingly George also seems to fall into this category. I think with Rohl its hard to see how Moyes would leave out Garner or Dewsbury-Hall or Gueye to accommodate Rohl at present but maybe he thinks next season him and Armstrong will get more minutes.

There is nothing wrong in buying young provided they have the quality, but young players often lack consistency -- that's why so few managers are willing to overplay youngsters except the very exceptional ones. So while I understand the clamour to see young players play, it can't be at the detriment of the team.

Just finally on the George deal, according to one of the Sky presenters, he said he has seen how much it will cost to make George a permanent Everton player and he said that the amount is eye-watering, considering that Fulham offered Chelsea £20M for him and had it turned down.

So maybe Moyes has decided, seeing as they won't be making the deal permanant, then he will use him sparingly.

I honestly thought Mcneils days were numbered after the Leeds game and when the Palace deal fell through, but fair play to the lad hes been rejuvenated.

As for George, as a couple of others have said, didnt I read on here or seen it on Toffeetv that we weren't taking up the option, or did I dream that.

For the signings that don't work out, he hasn't got the final say. Good arrangement

I guess how you interpret "the final say". Remember Moyes said a lot of players turned down the choice of joining Everton because we weren't in Europe. So I imagine Moyes gave the recruitment team a list of targets and they couldn't for whatever reason get any over the line.

Then maybe the choice Moyes might be faced with is this is the only wide player striker or whatever we can get so he says if that's our only option then fine.

John, if Moyes brought these players to the club -- and I am not talking about Grealish or Dewsbury-Hall -- I mean Dibbling, Aznou, Rohl and Barry, with a total outlay of nearing £100M and apart from Barry the others have hardly had a kick. Then, if I was TFG, I would sack Moyes on the grounds of gross negligence.

You can trot out the same mantra Moyes stated he had the last say, well he must be the worst judge of a player, or they weren't his choices, as he gives them very little game time... so which is it?

With respect, there is only one way to interpret it. You either have the final say or you don't.

Moyes has gone on record in a BBC interview: "I have the final say on all transfers out and all transfers in".

I didn't trot any mantra out. The manager did that.

He has one thing the team doesn't -- pace. And he's young with a lot of potential. He's skillful and has an eye for goal. That could be essential if Europe is achieved.

It's not like Barry will start hitting barn doors and hopefully he's sold. He'd probably miss his flight, like.

Get the lad away from that corrupt shite club Chelsea and give him a chance here. I take no notice about ‘he's not going to be signed'. I'd rather wait and see.

The new recruitment team ought to now have players lined up who are not on loan, which should see George return to Chelsea and Dibling doesn't look like an Everton player any more than John Oster ever did.

You can have all the talent in the world but he clearly lacks the character to harness it when in a competitive scenario. At 20, he still looks miles off being a Premier League player which -- given the price tag -- is a joke.

Over £100M has been invested in these young players -- Dibling, Aznou, Rohl, Patterson, Alcaraz, Iroegbunam -- and we need a return on that investment. We have already seen a decrease of circa 30% in their market value because they rarely play.

So that is the question for TFG -- do you reward Moyes for playing senior players to secure a Conference League slot? Or do we pivot to a manager whose strength is actually developing the young squad that we have spent the investment money on?

Short-term versus long-term. From a business perspective, that is a very straightforward financial decision but I don't have that much confidence in Angus Kinnear.

Back to Tyrique George. He is a talented, technical, quick player in an Everton squad with zero pace among its full-backs or wingers. Despite that, he won't be selected by Moyes regardless of his performance in training.

My advice to him is to escape at the end of the season and move to a club where he will play regularly -- Bournemouth, Brentford, Brighton, Palace.

Wasn't he the first sub to be subbed? Or am I dreaming?

Having won the Conference League and made the final of the Europa League at Roma, our owners will be aware that the financial return on European football just isn't there unless you make a run in the Champions League. The trophy money will never cover the player costs of getting there, so it's a loss leader they obviously consider worthwhile.

Thus I strongly believe Moyes will be well rewarded if he gets us into Europe. In fact, I'd bet half my mortgage that decision has already been made.

No one knows what happens and what goes on in our club.

People advocating giving youth a chance at the expense of the team are the same people who say "build a team around him".

No! The team comes first, that is Moyes's mantra, along with "buying better than we have" rather than "someone to do a job".

Moyes is a manager for the now, is pragmatic and sensible. Why do some see that as a negative? Do the results not show that to you?

Potential is not talent, it's time we realised that collectively.

Remember Rooney? I suppose he didn't get enough games either.

I remember Neil Adams coming on, then being subbed off in the 1986 Charity Shield.