Liverpool vs Everton

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James Garner could be in contention for a place in the squad after recovering from a long lay-off with a back injury

Everton could be without their main attacking outlet for the Anfield derby in the form of Dominic Calvert-Lewin as the striker continues to struggle with a niggling hamstring complaint.

James Garner and Ben Godfrey are back in full training at Finch Farm but Calvert-Lewin is rated as "touch and go at best" by Sean Dyche ahead of Monday's all-Merseyside clash having not trained all week due to ongoing discomfort in the troublesome muscle.

"We're still monitoring him," Dyche said of Calvert-Lewin in his press conference at Finch Farm today. "It will be touch and go, at best, I think for the Liverpool game. We'll just have to monitor it and hope that it settles down sooner rather than later.

"He's had a couple of niggling injuries which you'll know. [We're trying to get] on top of them, getting his body to adapt and all of those things for the longer term.

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"He put a real shift in [against Arsenal]. His stats were very good but unfortunately he's just got a niggly hamstring and we've got to get on top of it as quick as we can."

Garner hasn't featured for Everton since before the World Cup due to a back injury and Godfrey has also been sidelined recently but both rejoined the group this week for full sessions and should be in contention for the squad that will make the short trip to Anfield.

Both players will add depth to the options at Dyche's disposal but the manager is likely to go with an unchanged defensive and midfield unit. It's up front where he may have to make some difficult choices if Calvert-Lewin isn't risked, between starting Neal Maupay or Ellis Simms.

Maupay offers experience but his lack of height was evident in the final half-hour against Arsenal, when the Blues unable to make the ball "stick" in forward areas as easily with direct balls out from the back.

Simms, meanwhile, has the height and physical profile that Calvert-Lewin offers but is far less experienced, having made just a handful of Premier League appearances to go with his combined 34 League games for Heart of Midlothian in Scotland and Sunderland in the English Football League Championship.

The Toffees come up against a Liverpool side in a patch of poor form of their own with the reds slipping to 10th in the table following their 3-0 defeat at Wolves last weekend, well off the pace in the title race and some 11 points adrift of the fourth and final Champions League spot.

Jürgen Klopp might be able to welcome back a key duo in Virgil van Dijk and Diogo Jota if they are passed fit i time as he tries to engineer a first Premier League win of 2023.

For their part, Everton will travel with optimism they can get something from the game, although while Liverpool may be struggling for form, the derby is notoriously divorced from the form book. Should Calvert-Lewin be absent, it will make coming away with a first Anfield win in front of fans for the first time in almost 24 years that much more difficult. 

Regardless of who starts, the instruction from Dyche and his staff is likely to be very similar to what it was last Saturday against Arsenal — remain disciplined in your defensive shape, fight for every ball, stay in the game and make sure set-pieces count.

Kick-off: 8pm, Monday 13 February 2023
Referee: Simon Hooper
VAR: John Brooks (replaced by Andre Marriner)
Last Time: Liverpool 2  - 0 Everton

Predicted Line-up: Pickford, Coleman, Coady, Tarkowski, Mykolenko, Gueye, Onana, Doucouré, Iwobi, McNeil, Maupay


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Kevin Molloy
1 Posted 10/02/2023 at 16:01:52
I can only speak for myself but I don't particularly relish these annual returns to our old stomping ground. And it's that hideous red aesthetic wherever you look, I'm surprised the goalposts haven't been daubed crimson. It's like your stuck in a horror movie or an awful dream and can't get out
Derek Knox
2 Posted 10/02/2023 at 16:04:37
Seems to be recurrent story with Dom, his injury to playing ration is getting close to mirroring Mina. Good news over the other two, I can't wait to see a fully fit Garner, who I often watched while on loan at Forest and more often than not he picked up the MotM Award.
Kieran Kinsella
3 Posted 10/02/2023 at 16:06:06
James Garner being relied up for The Great Escape is a worry for me. I seem to recall in a similar scenario before he crashed his plane and got Donald Pleasance shot.
Duncan Lennard
4 Posted 10/02/2023 at 16:18:55
Got a nasty feeling those b*****ds will spend the first 20 mins trying to nobble Onana… like they did with James, Fellaini and countless others down the years who they knew they couldn’t handle. Hope I’m wrong…
Martin Reppion
5 Posted 10/02/2023 at 16:20:41
Kieran, thank you for that one.
The good thing is he also got a lot of free gifts from the goons to help with the effort.
Minik Hansen
6 Posted 10/02/2023 at 16:23:36
Erase all memories come Monday and enjoy the match when the whistle blows. I wish I could be there, COYB.

I've been waiting for Garner to return, my Man Utd work colleagues praised him and couldn't understand why he didn't return to his parent club from Nott. Forest. Let's see if he is of some stronger fabrics than Gbamin and the likes, we're due to get some luck, I say it again COYB.

Tony Abrahams
7 Posted 10/02/2023 at 16:24:09
Most of my own personal dreams are long gone but playing at Anfield for Everton would have been in my top three all-time dreams. Those bastards on the terraces could have done anything to me but they would have never put me off my game.

I simply don't understand how anyone would want to be a footballer and “not want to play” in these big games? This is genuinely incomprehensible to me.

John Keating
8 Posted 10/02/2023 at 16:40:47
Not sure about Dom. Maybe a lot is in his head.

I must admit when Dyche came in. I thought the Arse and RS would see us with nothing and our games against Leeds and Villa was our points chance.

Given our performance against Arsenal, with the same personnel and game plan, it would be great to get a point at Mordor. To get that, we have to have Calvert-Lewin. Simms and Maupay won't cut it.

Mike Gaynes
9 Posted 10/02/2023 at 16:42:55
DK #2, amen. Having watched him in the promotion playoffs, I was completely psyched that we signed him, and it's been a major disappointment not to see him play. Can't wait.
Brian Hennessy
10 Posted 10/02/2023 at 16:43:42
If Dominic is not fit, he simply has to start Simms. As much as Maupay was a pest to Arsenal, I can't see him having the same effect on the game from the start.

As much as I would love Dom to start on Monday, the fact is the Leeds game is more important in the context of our season.

Joe McMahon
11 Posted 10/02/2023 at 16:57:09
I hate the visits to Anfield, they will be desperate for us to go down and, as Duncan @4 says, they will target what quality we have.

As for Calvert-Lewin, maybe the Premier League is beyond him now. We do seem to get some players that are injured more than they play, the same story for many years.

Tony Abrahams
12 Posted 10/02/2023 at 16:58:15
Demarai Gray will surely get the nod if Calvert-Lewin isn't going to be risked.
Derek Knox
13 Posted 10/02/2023 at 17:00:04
Kieran @ 3, rest assured, Hendley, aka The Scrounger didn't actually meet his demise and went on to reinvent himself as James Rockford. I'm sure there are Files on him somewhere ! :-)
Julian Wait
14 Posted 10/02/2023 at 17:10:41
@Tony – agree, Gray would provide greater mobility up front than Maupay.

And I'd be surprised to see Simms start, but it depends on what Dyche has seen in training and what he thinks of him. He obviously wanted to keep him, so why not use him?

Does anyone have an opinion on how hard Simms would work and whether he can hold the ball up or not? Not sure I fancy Maupay for this tbh, he could see red.

David West
15 Posted 10/02/2023 at 17:11:43
We should just approach the derby like Arsenal. Nobody expected us to win, nobody give us a chance, so the pressure was off a little. That's how Dyche should motivate them! Love how he's not putting all his faith in Calvert-Lewin.
Simms & Maupay, anyone??

Pundits saying we have a chance of beating them after defeating Arsenal is not doing the team any favours. Yes, we know they should be able to play to the same level, but let's have it right, if the RS are up for it and play to their highest level, we will struggle.

They always seem to be coming off a defeat when we play them. I have a feeling they will be like a wounded animal because of all the grief they have had about their form.

Let's just remember it won't define our season but a win would be unimaginable for our fans! I'd love a 1-0 win. Onana towering header... COYB

David West
16 Posted 10/02/2023 at 17:18:02
Brian 10 agree 100% rather get whatever mins dcl can play against Leeds it's a massive game !
Tony Abrahams
17 Posted 10/02/2023 at 17:21:11
Playing against a wounded animal is what you should expect in every single derby match, David. Arsenal was great because we showed two things we have lacked for a very long time imo. We played with great discipline and we also played clever common-sense football, for most of Saturday’s game.

Players moving just that lit bit further off the ball and into space, is absolutely soul-destroying, when you’re trying to put pressure on them, and Saturday was the first time I’ve seen Everton players relishing playing like this for a long time, so I just hope it continues🤞

Neil Halliwell
18 Posted 10/02/2023 at 17:55:43
Who was the other young lad that Frank played up front for 5 mins at the end of a match? Frank then forgot about him and brought Simms back from loan. Poor bugger must be devastated and his confidence shot at. If he was good enough to be on the bench what was he expected to do in 5mins FFS. Can Simms do the job Calvert Lewin does who is quickly becoming a sick note ? He put the effort in against Arsenal but did miss two good chances. Why not give the youngsters a chance.
Minik Hansen
20 Posted 10/02/2023 at 18:00:08
Duncan Lennert #4 put Kevin Mirallas on the list, when he was on his prime with us, he got slaughtered.
Ernie Baywood
21 Posted 10/02/2023 at 18:06:16
If DCL isn't able to play and Simms doesn't start then it's pretty much time to forget about him. That will be the last two managers who have avoided playing him when there were practically no alternatives. It's now or never for him. He's a 22 year old with 60 games under his belt - if he's not even a viable option now then he's never going to get the chance at Everton to be any more.

One thing I feel confident about with Dyche is that he'll have a plan.

Christy Ring
22 Posted 10/02/2023 at 18:14:17
Delighted to see Garner back, great option in midfield, especially under Dyche, against Arsenal the midfield were in unison and compact, and Garner could be the playmaker. Calvert-Lewin is touch and go, can't be risked if he's not fit, could put him out long term. If he's not fit I'd start Simms, a big ask having his Premiership baptism, but our game plan against Arsenal was crossing to the target man.
I was watching Sky Sports today and they were all saying the last manager to win at Analfield was Joe Royle? Didn't we win 2-0 under Ancelotti, am I missing something?
David West
23 Posted 10/02/2023 at 18:17:03
Tony yes agreed ! I thought we were clever against arsenal, the way we pressed. They didn't do it wrecklesly like under Frank. It wasn't constant, they chose their moments to press.
As for the RS I don't fear them. We should be the ones sticking an early challenge on them to let them know we mean business. Klopp expecting it from a dyche team but show the horse tooth Cryer that a dyche Everton team is well up for it !!!
Danny O’Neill
24 Posted 10/02/2023 at 18:23:56
Ironically, most of my happiest Derby moments have been at Anfield.

These are the matches any player should be up for and relish, not fear. I don't fear those lot. Never.

Thousands of Evertonians will march on that place on Monday and show strength in unity.

All we ask is that the players do the same. Stand up, be counted and take the fight to them.

We can do this. We will.

I'll keep it clean, but every single one of them.

Roger Helm
25 Posted 10/02/2023 at 18:24:34
If Dom’s scan was normal, is the injury really that serious? I thought that at this time of year most players had some sort of niggle going on.

A lot of it is to do with mentality. A 3cm hamstring tear didn’t stop Novak Djokovic winning the Australian Tennis Open.

Dave Abrahams
26 Posted 10/02/2023 at 18:27:44
David (15), you say, “ If Liverpool are up for it” well they haven’t been up for it since the start of the year or before that, then you say “ They always seem to be coming off a defeat when we play them” When we beat them at Anfield 2-0 the season before last they were in a run of games at Anfield where they failed to win in about six games.

How about sticking to your first paragraph “ We should approach the Derby game like the Arsenal. Nobody gave a chance, so the pressure was off a little, that’s how Dyche should motivate them!, maybe that’s what Dyche will do, possibly Dominic will play and Dyche playing games with Liverpool. I think he will have the players up for this game and doubt if we will fold, I liked your attitude in that first paragraph thinking positive, I think Liverpool’s midfield is where they have been lacking and Everton can win the midfield battle and consequently the match, with or without Dominic.

Roger Helm
27 Posted 10/02/2023 at 18:33:21
Targeting a key player with repeated fouls by different players is a horrible tactic. Rugby referees deal with it by means of a team warning; the next offender, whoever it is, gets carded. Something the football authorities should consider.
Derek Knox
28 Posted 10/02/2023 at 18:33:55
Neil @ 18, I think you are referring to young Tom Cannon, against Wolves, and he nearly scored and we should have had a penalty. Ironically he never played again, or was even on the Subs Bench, as you rightly mentioned Simms was brought back from Sunderland and hardly used either. Frank made a lot of naive mistakes and not playing the youngsters and too late subs, was one of them.
Danny O’Neill
29 Posted 10/02/2023 at 18:39:00
Dave Abrahams, well said.

I don't care if they are up for it. I want Everton to be up for it.

I''m getting dramatic now, but I didn't fear the Russians on the inner German border. I wasn't scared of the Serbians in Bosnia and the Taliban try as hard a they wanted. You stand up and be counted, look the enemy in the eye and win your battles.

Please excuse me. I'm going into this one highly emotionally charged, even by my standards!!

Neil Copeland
30 Posted 10/02/2023 at 18:48:16
We are playing our arch rivals, if anyone can’t “get up” for this one then they shouldn’t bother trying.

Why can’t we beat the RS? They will probably fear us more we them anyway and will at the very least be wary of a team capable of beating the league leaders.

I say it repeatedly on here, we can beat anyone on the day including that lot at Mordor. I expect nothing less than a full blooded performance, the rest will follow.

COYB you can do this.


Bill Gienapp
31 Posted 10/02/2023 at 19:17:13
Excited to hear Garner is almost fully fit - I really think he'd have seen a big uptick in minutes post-World Cup if he hadn't gotten hurt.

Like it or not, Dom's likely going to be touch-and-go for the rest of the season, so the sooner Dyche sorts out his alternatives the better. Not sure the best approach - sacrifice the fullbacks, pair Mina (or Godfrey) with Tarkowski and Coady in a back three, keep the midfield three of Gueye/Onana/Doucoure that was so effective against Arsenal, play McNeil and Iwobi out wide and have them pick up the defensive slack, then pick two out of Maupay/Gray/Simms to play up-top... and pray? I don't think any of those three can do much as a lone striker, so you almost have to go with two and have them play off each other.

Dale Self
32 Posted 10/02/2023 at 19:20:07
Yes! Godfrey will definitely benefit from a more structured defence under Dyche. Garner is probably well motivated to impress the new gaffer. Anything and everything will help. Come on Blues! Maximum effort is the minimum requirement is Dyche’s motto, make it happen.
Sam Hoare
33 Posted 10/02/2023 at 19:28:34
Simms is a decent young player but despite his size he is not a target man like DCL. He was not known for his work rate at Sunderland and is surprisingly poor in the air. His hold up play is improving but closer to championship level than PL. I believe at Sunderland he mainly played as a second striker. His strengths are getting off shots and running onto balls over the top.

I’d be surprised if Dyche threw him straight into starting at Anfield. I think Gray or even Maupay are likely to get the nod, unless DCL is able to give 50/60 minutes. He will be missed but hopefully Dych is capable of altering the game plan.

Brian Harrison
34 Posted 10/02/2023 at 19:32:33
I think the injury woes of DCL just highlight how important it was to bring in the best striker we could afford when we sold Richarlison. DCL didnt play many games last season and again he got injured prior to the season starting, Lampard decided that we didnt need another striker till just before the window shut. Unfortunately for Dyche there was no time for him to get in a decent striker, and with DCL struggling again to be fit he is having to go into games without a recognised target man.

But knowing Dyche he will have an alternative to the strategy he employed against Arsenal. I suppose the worry for him is if he is forced to play Maupay up top then we wont have an out ball and when Maupay came on against Arsenal our attacking options practically dried up.

Will Mabon
35 Posted 10/02/2023 at 19:34:01
Fear not, all is well - Chris Sutton has us to win, predicts 1-2.
David West
36 Posted 10/02/2023 at 19:59:39
Woa ! Woa ! Woa !
Yes I said If Liverpool were on song we would struggle. I didnt say we would lose !
Which history, apart from the carlo derby proves my point.
What I was trying to get at was I'd rather get them before they realise they are having a bad time like wolves ! I feel like that might kick them up the arse abit.

I belive ! I belive we can do them in front of the sightseers and daytrippers.
It's one of them where they are going to be better than there last game or we are gonna do them.
As I said no one will give us a chance realistically. Use that to take the pressure off the players. It's a derby that we all want to win, however before Frank was sacked people were looking at these 2 fixtures against the shite and arsenal and saying write them points off. go to win go at them if we fight for the Jersey, run our hearts out give them a game instead of some of the weak surrenders we have seen then it just reinforces what dyche is trying to get across to the players.
As I said previously it won't define our season but puts down a marker.
The Leeds game will mean alot more to the outcome of our season. Imo

Tony Everan
37 Posted 10/02/2023 at 20:07:25
Duncan 4, Exactly what I’ve been thinking, they’ll have it planned - Milner, Alcantra or another player to put his foot right through Onana’s ankle in the first 20 minutes. Ref will wave play on like it never happened.

I expect this one to be a nasty affair, but if we can stay disciplined keep our shape we can do what we did to Arsenal, who are are a better team than the RS at the moment. DCL’s absence will not help us replicate that though.

Fran Mitchell
38 Posted 10/02/2023 at 20:09:23
anything but a defeat would be great for us, anything but a win would be terrible for them. Hopefully that puts the pressure on them.

it's a tough one. on the one hand, they might look to the the game as a chance to kick start their season. what better than a derby win before heading to Madrid in the CL? on the other, their decline could well be terminal and a defeat, then a defeat to Madrid and they really are up against it and the Klopp era could end in tears.

but for us, the focus on survival, any draw away from home is a good result and hopefully wins at home will see us safe before may comes along.

considering the long break, I'd expect the same team - the only caveat being the fitness of our no9.

if he's not fit then maybe another system, maybe Grey as a central striker with the idea of using his pace. I'd prefer that to Maupay, whose lack of pace and physical presence would leave us very weak.

interesting to see if Godfrey is deployed in later games as a right back, think that's where he could do best for us in a Dyche system.

Good to have Garner back, his career here hasn't really got started, but if he can provide competition with Doucoure and Gana, then that's a bonus.

Dave Abrahams
39 Posted 10/02/2023 at 20:09:31
David (36) That’s more like it, well said!!
Dale Self
40 Posted 10/02/2023 at 20:20:27
Will, haven’t you heard? Sutton is a devil worshipper, pay him no mind.
David Hallwood
41 Posted 10/02/2023 at 20:24:48
Before the Arsenal game, I would have snatched your hand off for a point each against the Arsenal & the RS. So as we've got 3pts, Monday is a free hit.

If we lose I'd be pissed but not surprised. a point I'd be delighted. the win I'd streak down Church Street.

I'm looking for a performance, even if the spawney bastards do win, to take us into the Leeds & Villa games.

David West
42 Posted 10/02/2023 at 20:25:50
DAVE. Put your your lucky undies in the wash mate ready for Monday.
I have a dream !
Klopp refusing to speak to match of the day because Lineker once played for that team that fella in the shit coat manages after their last centre half gets a red card from VAR and we win with a penalty in the last minute!

Dave Abrahams
43 Posted 10/02/2023 at 20:46:17
David (42), It’s going to be hard watching that last minute penalty, every time I watch the man we can’t name taking the penalty at Anfield in the 2-0 win I think the Liverpool ‘keeper is going to save it and I’ve watched it umpteen times!!
Stephen Williams
44 Posted 10/02/2023 at 21:05:50
Sorry Bill
But just can’t play 3 at the back against this lot. 3 would be narrow and they are stronger wide than down the middle. So the wingbacks would be pulled back to make a back 5, severely limiting our attacking play.
Got to be 442 or 451.
Personally I’d play Holgate and Godfrey as the full backs and tell them not to give their attackers an inch. Play Gana as defensive midfield cover and let everyone else loose to cause havoc when they can.
Up and at them and we can do them.
Remember lads to wipe our feet on the way out, we don’t want to contaminate public areas with the shite we stand on inside!
Anthony Dove
45 Posted 10/02/2023 at 21:28:26
Dave @43.

You mean Gylfi, I presume. I wasn't aware that he had been charged with any offences let alone found guilty, but maybe I have missed the news.

The club has taken the stance he never existed but you would expect that. I think he deserves a bit more from the supporters.

Will Mabon
46 Posted 10/02/2023 at 21:54:11
Dale, he is and always disliked us - but he's changed his tune a bit, predicted wins for us a couple of times recently, he has to be right soon...
Robert Tressell
47 Posted 10/02/2023 at 21:57:02
I'd really fancy our chances with DCL fit. Hopefully Dyche mind games. Whatever the case, Dyche will figure something out. We should go into this with some confidence.

I'm pleased Garner and Godfrey are getting fit. Exactly the sorts of players Dyche can improve.

Tony Hill
48 Posted 10/02/2023 at 22:03:53
The difference with Dyche is that he will have no patience with "scripts" or "narratives". Things are not preordained, for or against, but will be the result of planning, performance and (above all) toughness of mind - game after game, after every fucking game.

That's the key to our club turning itself around. Nothing is written, everything is to be written.

I want us to win on Monday but, if we don't, it won't matter in the end. I can already see things forming - they've been forming for a while under Frank - the shape of a serious team.

This manager will have none of the history bollocks. Be confident.

Kieran Kinsella
49 Posted 10/02/2023 at 22:12:01
I’ve been getting grief all week at work because we are supposed to wear red ahead of the big game. I refuse. I don’t care if that’s Kansas City’s color and they’re in the Super Bowl I’m not wearing RS colors. Especially before the derby
Danny O’Neill
50 Posted 10/02/2023 at 22:19:09
We are going in boys and girls and I will bring a helmet and body armour if I have to. Let's take the fight to them.

We go there with pride and passion that they can't match and we roar the team on.

Onward Evertonians.

Spirit. Forever Everton.

Absolutely Forever.

Let's get up for this and take the city.

I know, I'm getting carried away but I can't help myself.

Neil Copeland
51 Posted 10/02/2023 at 22:32:40
Kieran #49, good man

Danny #50, love it mate.

We are Everton, we can do this.

Dycheball act 2. COYB, get into ‘em!


Martin Mason
52 Posted 11/02/2023 at 00:24:58
Perhaps Dom is the victim of us not buying a replacement for Richarlison or another striker. He has been rushed back and this has the habits of making injuries more permanent.
Peter Moore
53 Posted 11/02/2023 at 00:27:59
It is a key test for our team and squad. At home last week, the team was able to execute the Dyche game plan for the match very impressively. This yielded a deserved win against the League leaders and a clean sheet too.
Without the support of a raucous Goodison, in the face of the partisan Kopites, can they put Dyche's game plan to effect?
If they can, we should get what we deserve. COYB.
Kieran Kinsella
54 Posted 11/02/2023 at 03:41:15
Liverpool supporters club had a meeting in Knowsley tonight apparently. Behaved as well as usual
Derek Knox
55 Posted 11/02/2023 at 05:04:29
If we approach this game with the same attitude as against Arsenal, I don't see why we can't get a result here, Sean Dyche seems to have brought new belief to both the players and fans alike, and not before time to be honest. Most of us were reluctantly resigned to relegation survival where the odds didn't seem to be in our favour. We weren't given a chance before the Arsenal game who were seemingly unstoppable, if the experts (?) were to be believed.

Hopefully the shock waves following our win have made all future opponents more wary, that we may just be a different proposition now. Starting with another win at Mordor will only increase that understanding, elevate confidence in our own ranks, and make us a serious contender for The Great Escape.

Jerome Shields
56 Posted 11/02/2023 at 05:18:24
I have always been of the opinion that hamstring injuries where the result of a lack of training. In Rugby and Gaelic football one does not come across them to the same extent as soccer.This could be because of less kicking of the ball though.

There has been something wrong for years with Everton's rehabilitation programmes, because hamstring injuries are a regular occurrence in rehabilitated players..Mina is a disaster area in regard to them or similar injuries and Calvert Lewin is becoming increasingly like him.It could be that players are being allowed to shy away from training.

As you might have guessed I am a bit annoyed with reports of Calvert Lewin being potentially injured again.


Good point.

Danny Baily
57 Posted 11/02/2023 at 07:38:23
Same attitude again. Odds are this will be the last derby for a while, hoping for a good showing.
Nick Strong
58 Posted 10/02/2023 at 07:55:49
I can't believe no one's said this yet (or I might've missed it, not read all the posts):

“He'll be like a new signing!”

Be interesting to see if Dyche can get the players fired up for this again like the Arsenal match it. If so it's a bit like when Moyes came in and hit the ground running.

Steve Shave
59 Posted 11/02/2023 at 08:01:59
Shock horror, one game into our new manager's tenure and he is unable to play his preferred style and brand of football due to there being no available striker to suit the system.

No, I am being unfair, Dom's fitness has been really reliable for a sustained period, oh. No, it's okay because we have Richarlison for those few games when Dom isn't playing, ah, erm.....Thankfully we have the young and dynamic forward player, Anthony Gordon... oh yes, we sold him for a king's ransom. That's okay, I'm sure we plugged the necessary holes during the transfer window… doh!!

For fuck's sake, it's so predictable and amateurish – how long has it been that we have pinned everything on Dom's fitness? I think that has brought unnecessary pressure on him and probably not helped his recovery or mental health. Say what you like about Dom, I see no reason to blame him for his injury problems. That is on the club, piss-poor planning, it beggars belief really.

Sorry... rant over, onto the game. I am pleased to see some positivity and excitement about this. If Dom were fit, I'd have us down for a win; as it is, I think we will get a point and it will be a good game.

I see no point, however, playing Maupay in this system unless Simms is playing up top with him; as others have pointed out, though, Ellis is not much of a target man.

I think, because of their different limitations, we should go for it, 4-4-2 with a very hard-working midfield and try to get Simms and Maupay to get in their faces and at least be a nuisance. We will be vulnerable to being countered but their confidence must be low currently and we might just be the very last people they want to play right now with a new manager bounce.

Paul Birmingham
60 Posted 11/02/2023 at 08:47:00
The same mindset and attitude, commitment and team work as done for 95 minutes v Arsenal.

Keep the focus, play to the whistle, and try not to get rattled by their shit tricks, on the touch line by Mr Ed, and their midfield and forwards falling over.

Shoot on site and hopefully be clinical on the free kicks and corners.

I was on a H&S course this week, and they were remarkably quiet.

Form goes out the window. Hearts and Minds and professionalism needed on Monday night.

Let's be clinical, Everton.

“What's Our Name?”


Mal van Schaick
61 Posted 11/02/2023 at 08:49:35
If we play the same team that thrashed Arsenal, playing at the same tempo and commitment, then I would say we would get something from the game, given their recent form.

My worry is that, if Dom is not fit and Maupay plays, I fear he will be sent off given his petulance against Arsenal. I have no problem with a committed player, but we need all of the players on the pitch to have any chance in this game.

Having said all of that, if Dom plays, I have us down for a narrow win. Good luck.

Danny O’Neill
62 Posted 11/02/2023 at 08:56:27

I personally think it's more a case of over-training and over-use.

I think Dominic's natural combative style and the fact he has been the sole leader of the line from a relatively young age has already taken its toll.

There is also the factor that each individual body is different that needs to be taken into account.

I agree with you on recovery and rehabilitation; something doesn't seem right and hasn't done for years.

I hope I'm wrong here, but a player who suffered with constant hamstring problems and was overused (in my opinion) as a young player and ended up running out of steam and retiring young: Michael Owen.

Mark Ryan
63 Posted 11/02/2023 at 09:10:36
Simms to come on and score an 85th minute winner !! UTFT's
Dave Williams
64 Posted 11/02/2023 at 09:15:55
Danny #29 what a great post. Puts this game into some perspective - it is a game of football against a team that will kick you and it might hurt for a minute or so. There will be a lot of people there and some will shout nasty things at you. Some of your mates in the crowd will shout back at them.
What on earth is there to be afraid about??? As Tony Abraham’s says these are the games to relish, compete against them and show them that you refuse to lose, won’t lie down and let them walk all over you, look them in the eye and let them know they are in for a torrid 90 minutes where they won’t be allowed to dwell on the ball and there will be some hard tackles coming their way.
I can’t imagine Sean allowing them to stand off and allow them to play and if he can’t get them fired up for this with confidence from the Arsenal game then he isn’t the man I think he is.
Go for them boys- and hard!!
Andrew Ellams
65 Posted 11/02/2023 at 09:21:19
Saw a post from a Liverpool social media page with them crying about being on their longest run for 25 years without a penalty (28 games) so we know what's coming on Monday don't we.
Tony Abrahams
66 Posted 11/02/2023 at 09:33:50
And if there are any incidents in the Everton box, like the Anthony Gordon one, that went unpunished last season, I wonder if the FA will give Frank Lampard his money from last season’s fine, straight back to him Andrew?

It’s been a very quiet week, not having to listen to the superior race shite, that comes out of many of their mouths. I get it constantly off one of the gobshites, but he threw his toys out the pram last Monday, and it’s been bliss, so don’t spoil it please, Everton.

Moyes went 44 games without a win at any of the top clubs, and although Liverpool are fucking shite right now, I’m praying that Dyche gets his team to do it at the first time of asking. Now wouldn’t that be nice!

Andrew Ellams
67 Posted 11/02/2023 at 09:48:04
Tony, Dyche has won there before hasn't he? Not long before Ancelotti won there if memory serves me correctly.
Tony Abrahams
68 Posted 11/02/2023 at 09:52:10
And guess what Andrew, just like Everton, I’m sure Burnley got a penalty kick. I don’t think Liverpool, ever conceded as many penalties in a season, as they did during the empty seats season, when the referees were allowed to breathe a little bit easier. Your post@65 worries me.

I’ve just watched the highlights and I’m certain if any Everton player knocks it over the Liverpool keeper, and then goes to ground like Ashley Barnes did, they will definitely be booked for diving.

Rob Hooton
69 Posted 11/02/2023 at 10:16:18
If Dom can’t make it then I’d like to see Simms given a chance.

One of the problems with Maupay, IMO, and a that he doesn’t make up for his lack of physicality with any pace or skill - so he just offers a bit of bark which is not enough when you need a goal. A few times we have had a chance to break with him in the team but he has been easily caught by the big grocks keeping tabs on him. I think Simms has pace? We will need some of that to hit them on the break.

Wish kick off were sooner, but then again these couple of days may give some of our lads a chance to prove their fitness- unfortunately this also applies to RS players.

Andrew Ellams
70 Posted 11/02/2023 at 10:19:06
I hope my post doesn't keep you up at night Tony
Daniel A Johnson
71 Posted 11/02/2023 at 10:28:48
Strange one with DCL. He was never particularly injury prone but looking at the last 2.5 seasons you would have to call him a crock now. Given our lack of firepower how can we rely on a player who has 1-2 games back in the team only to then miss another 5-6 games.
Brian Harrison
72 Posted 11/02/2023 at 10:40:42
I think Lampards ineptitude of not buying a decent striker has left Dyche going into it with a knife to a gunfight, if reports are correct that DCL will play no part in the game. No wonder Dyche said he needs to find ways of getting goals out of this squad, we have never had enough strikers and I worry that even with Dyches organisation the lack of goals will be a big worry for Dyche.

I thought it was interesting that he invited Peter Reid to Finch Farm this week just for a general chat with the players. Dyche said he knows Peter well and he would tell it as it is. He also plans to bring in Joe Royle and Eddie Jones to speak to the players. I think it can only help getting people in who have won things with this club, as most of the ex players that have been on the payroll haven't won a thing.

Raymond Fox
73 Posted 11/02/2023 at 10:59:04
I'll be suprised if DCL is even on the bench.

Question is who do we play up front, we need somebody in that position because we need an out ball or we will be pinned in our half under pressure most of the game.
I think we need to play Simms, its a baptism of fire for the lad but why not, it might be the makings of him.
It just shows how threadbare we are though, its a bloody disgrace.

Dyche will deserve more than £3.5m if he can keep us up from here.

Anthony Murphy
74 Posted 11/02/2023 at 11:04:34
Dyche may leave DCL out because he knows they’ll target him and end his season. He’s a crunching challenge away from another lay off and sh!thouses likes Robertson and Henderson will be out for this purpose - same with Onana who the ref should protect but won’t.
Iakovos Iasonidis
75 Posted 11/02/2023 at 11:06:35
If we survive it will be a miracle. If we survive without a striker it is something beyond that. I can't blame calvert lewin for being injured all the time, it is what it is, I blame whoever was responsible of our transfer policy since lukaku left. I am not telling something new here, I am just frustrated to the core.
Dave Lynch
76 Posted 11/02/2023 at 11:15:47
I suspect the usual pre match build up.
Klopp will whine about the referee having to be strong and protect his players, as horrible Everton will foul them at every opportunity.

He'll try to manipulate the officials as he always does. He knows if we beat them then CL qualification is all but over.

Derek Knox
77 Posted 11/02/2023 at 11:16:53
Brian H @ 72, While I agree with the content of your post, I'm not convinced it was wholly down to Lampard, again something we will be unlikely to be find out, he WAS totally out of his depth, but I don't think he could have been that naive to think we could manage without a striker of any sort, with plenty of time to rectify it. Especially when he must have realised his own future may depend on it, and definitely that the team was sorely missing one.
Jerome Shields
78 Posted 11/02/2023 at 11:20:09

As good as reasoning as any.

Where I come from is my father when I got a pulled muscle use to say that there was a lack of pre training to build up fitness.A hamstring is a pulled muscle at the back of the thigh.Of course this could be a simple approach to a more complex subject,of which your ideas could be part of.

Everton Medical Services have a Rest and Recovery regime as opposed to a High Performance regime which has a big emphasis on building up resilience to prevent injury.Advocates of the latter think that the former can be exploited by some players and they can have a influence on other players.Managers have had issues with this in the past.

But such is the pressure at Everton players can come on the field with a bat out of hell attitude after a week of pumped up volume,which not conducive to long term fitness and a younger player as you say can be influenced by it.Even older players like Townsend can get caught up on this, resulting in the injury he now has.

Frank Knight
79 Posted 11/02/2023 at 11:42:39
Hoping Monday night will go down in history as the Simms derby! One can dream
Robert Tressell
80 Posted 11/02/2023 at 11:49:40
I expect it will be Maupay with Onana doing a Fellaini impression a bit higher up the pitch. Whether Simms plays will depend on whether the Plan A tactic works - and how fit DCL really is.

If we are in the fortunate position of Liverpool chasing the game, then Simms is a good player to bring on an exploit the extra space. Gray, too.

I would also like to see some controlled violence from our lot - and sneaky wind up tactics. Two can play at that game.

Tony Abrahams
81 Posted 11/02/2023 at 11:53:05
I just hope it’s the Everton performance that keeps me up on Monday night, Andrew.
James Hughes
82 Posted 11/02/2023 at 11:57:25
Lakovos we will survive to fight another year in the top flight. There is enough quality in the squad to ensure that.
They just need to have a solid gameplan and be properly coached. I think Dyche has enough to get us over the line


Christy Ring
84 Posted 11/02/2023 at 12:45:06
Dyche said that Calvert-Lewin is still touch and go for Monday... If the scan is all clear, is his hamstring okay?

Some of the comments are saying he's definitely out, have some got inside information?

Barry Rathbone
85 Posted 11/02/2023 at 12:56:31
Wake me up when it's over
David Hallwood
86 Posted 11/02/2023 at 12:58:27
The fact that we are now deep in the 2nd season putting Calvert-Lewin in cottonwool, shows the awe-inspiring brainlessness of our what is laughingly called transfer policy. I fail to comprehend, even allowing for P&S rules, how the club have let this situation develop?

We don't have to spend millions, in fact we can't, but it reflects poorly on our scouting team, when Brighton, Crystal Palace etc, can pick up players for a song from obscure leagues, and we can't.

It wasn't always this way, the Moyes era saw, Pienaar, Arteta Coleman, Cahill, but gems like these are conspicuously absent in the Moshiri era.

As for Monday, not expecting anything and, without Calvert-Lewin, expecting even less, so anything at all; a boring 0-0 to an even more tedious 1-0 I'll greet like a league win.

Derek Knox
87 Posted 11/02/2023 at 13:20:08
If Ellis Simms is called upon, either from the start, or from the bench, I have every faith in the lad. He has been criticised as lacking pace but there is no doubting the lad knows where the goal is, as he has proved everywhere he has been.

The last time I checked, the goal is the same size in the Premier League as anywhere else. Come on, Ellis lad, and give us a lift.


Neil Copeland
88 Posted 11/02/2023 at 14:16:05
Derek, indeed it is but it can look much further away.
Derek Knox
89 Posted 11/02/2023 at 14:24:22
Neil, agreed, but goalposts get moved a lot in this game across the whole gamut. :-)
Jim Bennings
90 Posted 11/02/2023 at 14:34:38
We can beat them but the trouble is after beating them we need to beat the VAR too which, at Anfield especially, is quite a task.

They are not more than an average side, we know they can click anytime but our job is to squeeze the life out of them and make sure they click against someone else.

Paul Kossoff
91 Posted 11/02/2023 at 14:42:29
Every bloody time with those bastards isn't it. Near every team they play has injuries or suspensions. I expect var to intervene or not on behalf of them to give them the points. If we come out of the toilet bowl with a point I'll be very happy.
Mike Corcoran
92 Posted 11/02/2023 at 14:58:33
No DCL,? Mina up front, all elbows and snide play. Could do a job for at least 20mins😆
Paul Kossoff
93 Posted 11/02/2023 at 15:02:05
Roger 25, A lot of it is to do with mentality. A 3cm hamstring tear didn’t stop Novak Djokovic winning the Australian Tennis Open,
exactly. If I was Dyche I would tell DLC, you are playing on Monday, get ready. If you don't want to play then fk off home and I'll fine you two weeks wages. Hand bags at dawn would suit
Dominic though, wouldn't it.
Jerome Shields
94 Posted 11/02/2023 at 15:19:33
Robert #80

That's a concern I have also. Klopp, the prancing clown, is pretty desperate. At the FA Cup game against Brighton, there was one definite red card and two others close but not given. Three Brighton players had to come off with injury and Evans Ferguson is recently still not back.

Geoff Cadman
95 Posted 11/02/2023 at 16:17:56
Danny #62,

I heard recently that a phisyo at Sheffield United said Calvert-Lewin would always be injury prone due to his body make up, something to do with his frame structure and muscles.

Danny O’Neill
96 Posted 11/02/2023 at 16:20:55
Maybe big Yerry too Geoff?
Danny O’Neill
97 Posted 11/02/2023 at 16:34:49
Sorry to go a bit Churchill like. I'm in the zone and pumping. Put up with with me for a few days.

We are going face them on the train.

We will stand up to them in the pubs in our city. Our city.

We will hold our ground with them in that place.

But we won't surrender or be submissive. Never.

We can do this Everton.

Dale Self
98 Posted 11/02/2023 at 17:31:35
I'm thinking leave Maupay for the late sub in case we need to burn clock. I would use a Gray as a false 9 and run Onana into the box when the ball is on the wing with space. Maybe even use him for the layoff or one touch around the D.

Liverpool don't know what to look for and we may benefit from some unexpected innovation from Dyche. The longer it stays at 0-0 is to Dyche's advantage.

Pete Hughes
99 Posted 11/02/2023 at 18:02:16
Oh shit… Bournemouth a goal up here!
Brent Stephens
100 Posted 11/02/2023 at 18:45:11
For the first time in years, I'll be going Monday night without fear. If Dyche's set-up in "that other place" is as astute as his set-up against Arsenal, then that augurs well.

Paul #93 "Handbags at dawn would suit Dominic though, wouldn't it." Depends on whether the colour of his handbag matched that of his dress.

Dale Self
101 Posted 11/02/2023 at 18:50:09
Outrageous Brent!
Matthew Williams
102 Posted 11/02/2023 at 19:04:10
Feeling positive about this derby. Liverpool are playing poorly and we can go there with no fear and actually compete with them for a change.

Methinks a draw, but I wouldn't be surprised if we nicked it with a late goal!... Just believe, Blues, and be positive!

Howard Don
103 Posted 11/02/2023 at 19:07:35
Mike 92,

I've been thinking the same thing. The system against Arsenal needed the outball DCL gives us that we lost when Maupay came on.

If Dyche doesn't rate Simms for the job, I don't fancy us with Maupay up front on his own. As you say though, Mina would only likely last 20 minutes at best.

Brent Stephens
104 Posted 11/02/2023 at 19:23:47
Thank you, Dale!
Paul Hewitt
105 Posted 11/02/2023 at 22:38:40
Daft as it sounds, Keane or Mina upfront might work. Wasn't Chris Sutton a centre-back till Norwich put him upfront? He went on to score plenty of goals.
Tony Everan
106 Posted 11/02/2023 at 23:00:28
Paul, I remember the Sheffield Wednesday central defender Paul Warhurst being asked to play up front because of injuries.
He scored 12 goals in 12 games and later got an England call up as a striker.
Trevor Powell
107 Posted 11/02/2023 at 23:21:35
Paul @145,

Wasn't Keane described by Lampard as the best finisher in training at the club after his well struck goal against Palace which started the big revival last season?

Kieran Kinsella
108 Posted 11/02/2023 at 23:35:51
Ian Marshall was a centre-back too wasn't he?
Frank Thomas
109 Posted 11/02/2023 at 23:38:06
Football is a game of self-belief. As Henry Ford said "Whether you think you can, or you think you can't – you're right". This lack of self-belief was the reason Calvert-Lewin did not bag a sitter against Arsenal last week as he would have done two seasons ago.

To stop self-doubt you give people a task, a reason to achieve that task and build comradeship.

McNeil and Tarkowski played some of their best football for us against Arsenal. Why? Because they complete theirs tasks exactly like they did for Dyche at Burnley only this time they believed and also knew that they had better players supporting them.

I did not know that Dyche had actually gained promotion from the 2nd Division — something that Moyes did not do before joining us. This experience increases a manager's motivational skills and their tactical awareness as we saw when Burnley beat Liverpool at Anfield. I believe this team will get better, stronger and closer under Dyche. I also think he will not waste money by 'punting' on players to fix a short-term problem.

As a team I hope someone has a little word in the ref's ear before the start of the game about attempts to nobble Onana before the game starts.

Liverpool have a lot of weaknesses and I am sure Sean will have spotted them and will select the team accordingly. We cannot continue to 'wish' that Calvert-Lewin will be back to form. Only when Calvert-Lewin's place is really 'challenged' will we see a fitter Calvert-Lewin return or the unfit Calvert-Lewin sold. Both Calvert-Lewin and Davies have an amazing last opportunity under Dyche but they must clear their heads: fashion world or football world — you can do both poorly or either one really well.

Mr Dyche has already started by making players wear only matchday equipment, hats coats and jackets all gone now — even the ones seen in GQ.

Peter Carpenter
110 Posted 11/02/2023 at 23:39:08
Play Simms. He'll be fine if Calvert-Lewin can't play.
Derek Knox
111 Posted 12/02/2023 at 02:07:04
Tony E @ 106, there's a blast from the past, I remember Paul Warhorst as you say, scoring every week etc, he definitely had a purple patch, then didn't do anything after all the glitter and ticker tape had fallen to the ground, goes to show doesn't it ?

Frank @ 109, good point there about Sean Dyche, gaining promotion from the lower echelons to the Premiership, a feat not many have achieved, but Eddie Howe did it too with Bournemouth, another Manager many on here said wasn't good enough, as was Dyche to Manage us.

I remember reading an article too, some time back, about Troy Deeney, who said he was almost off the rails and swapping a life of a Footballer for that of a ne'er do well, and it was Sean Dyche who was then either Assistant Manager or Manager of Watford that had a serious talk with him and put him on the straight and narrow. Something Deeney said he will never forget and will always be eternally grateful to him for ' saving his life ' !

So, I don't think we have a bad Manager, or the best we can hope for just now, until something better comes along, in Sean Dyche, I know it's early days but I believe we have a very good one, as we could have had with Eddy Howe too. What the hell do I know though ?

Kieran Kinsella
112 Posted 12/02/2023 at 02:41:33
I've a handful of mates who are RS although none are from Liverpool (Bolton, St Helens, California, Australia and India) each one of them has felt the need to tell me they expect to lose and that they're underdogs on Monday.

Give me a break! They've spent £130 million on two strikers whilst we nabbed Maupay and recalled Simms. Yes, of course I hope we win and think we may… but don't pathetically try and put all the pressure on us.

Derek Knox
113 Posted 12/02/2023 at 03:04:48

Interesting, but you must have forgotten the Golden Rule with us Blues when it comes to 'them': Kopites are Gobshites!

Tut, tut, Sir! :-)

Kieran Kinsella
114 Posted 12/02/2023 at 03:53:24

In fairness none of them are scousers. So to me they're not real RS — they're just RS lite!

Kieran Kinsella
115 Posted 12/02/2023 at 04:11:14
Also, Derek, the Bolton RS lad played in a six-a-side team I was player-manager for in Manchester.

All of us were shite except him. But we spent a lot of time mastering time-wasting and dirty fouls while acting the innocent but had a corner routine down pat where he'd score every game.

Lots of controversial anti-football 1-0 wins but we made the semi of a Manchester City invitational and beat a team from Royal Antwerp's under-19s in the quarter-final.

They were night and day better than us obviously but the RS lad got his goal and the rest of us managed to run down the clock and hack our way to victory. The kind of performance that would have Dazza ripping his thinning grey hair out.

Derek Knox
116 Posted 12/02/2023 at 05:16:20

Let's hope the Bolton lad isn't playing for them on Monday, and they don't get a corner. :-)

Getting a bit worried about Dazza now you mention, haven't seen many posts recently, hope he isn't suffering from T Daviesitis, a terrible affliction, and not easy to get shut of!

Dyche could finally bin £25k-p/w Everton liability

Sorry, Dazza, had to be done.

Kieran Kinsella
117 Posted 12/02/2023 at 05:24:34

“Everton dud” flatters Tom.

Derek Knox
118 Posted 12/02/2023 at 07:34:34

You know such comments will awake Dazza The Sleeping Dragon! Don't say you haven't been warned! :-)

Christine Foster
119 Posted 12/02/2023 at 07:56:15
No Calvert-Lewin presents a couple of tactical issues for Dyche. Early crosses are a no-go if Maupay plays, so that alters how midfield will set up too. Perhaps Gray and Simms to begin, but that would probably mean no McNeil... or Garner in the middle behind Simms and Gray.

No matter what, he's going to have to change things!

Derek Knox
120 Posted 12/02/2023 at 08:09:20
Christine, I am almost resigned now to DCL not playing, like you say the conundrum of who to play and what formation. I would be surprised to see Garner starting having been out for a while, but he could possibly be introduced later if needed or to freshen things up in midfield. I noticed the passing had improved too against Arsenal, with very few going astray.

I think after last week certain players have to be included, McNeil being one of them, Onana Tarks, Coady, Seamus and Myko and Iwobi all did well. Even Gana who has been poor for a while was like a new man.

Really looking forward to a Derby Match at Anfield, something I haven't said for a long time, but not taking anything for granted.

Eddie Dunn
121 Posted 12/02/2023 at 08:27:26

Me but cleverly didn't rule him out completely. Klopp will have to prepare his defence and have a contingency in case Dom does make it. Of course the five subs makes it easier to do that but I would expect Carlvert-Lewin to at least make the bench.

Klopp will be peeping out of the window as our coach arrives to see if he is in the match day squad, before naming his team.

It will be interesting to see who gets the nod if our Number 9 can't start. Maupay did well in his half-hour but needs help. Simms is bigger but Gray has pace.

I wonder what the gaffer will do?

We don't know – so Klopp will be equally in the dark.

Joe McMahon
122 Posted 12/02/2023 at 08:38:47
Derek @111,

Indeed it was Sean Dyche who at the time was managing Watford. The football with Sean at Burnley wasn't pretty but he had a tiny budget, but he did sign Maxwell Cornet and Stephen Defour. Defour's injuries took over though.

But Sean Dyche with Burnley has won at Anfield and Old Trafford. This is something that a certain Everton manager didn't accomplish in 11 years. So, for the fans of that past manager, can we please once finally bury his 11 years of "Good Times"?

Anthony Murphy
123 Posted 12/02/2023 at 09:22:00
If Calvert-Lewin isn't fit, I think we'll see Dyche use Onana as a target man when we break. We'll spend the game defending and frustrating them with corners being our most likely route to goal.

I don't think Simms or Maupay will start – if no Calvert-Lewin he'll probably bring in Gray – drop Iwobi into a central role and ask Onana to push up at times.

Danny O’Neill
124 Posted 12/02/2023 at 09:33:51
I don't care who is playing and whatever position they are in. I really don't care.

Whoever has the privilege to step on that pitch, just fight and take it to them horrible bastards. Swear box.

We will be right behind you and facing the often ignored torrent of abuse, before, during and after. A vile support base painted as saints yet put the biggest stain on English football ever known and will never be surpassed.

I've no doubt there will be some invevtialbe claim that we were abusive and offended them after the match.

Here we go. Lets go Blues. Marching.

Rob Halligan
125 Posted 12/02/2023 at 10:09:52
Danny, you’ll never meet a more obnoxious, vile, scum, sewer rat set of fans anywhere in world football. There, you’ve got me started now.
Jerome Shields
126 Posted 12/02/2023 at 11:33:23
Was watching Motd.

Silva doing a great job,as he did with Everton prior to the Saha Summer where Brands proved to be a mouth piece and walked over by serial interference.Potter being human, and Moyes being dour as usual.There was 67000 plus fans in the London Stadium can could hear a pin drop.Ed Howe a honest man with a team where half the players did not turn up.They are likely to drop out of top four, when Summer holidays are on the horizon.West Ham,Newcastle and Everton Fans have always deserved better.

What did occur to me was how lucky we were to get Sean Dyche who appears to have a more positive vocabulary, and make no excuses for the need for continuous hard work and committment and believes it is possible to achieve doing so.

Derek Knox
127 Posted 12/02/2023 at 12:52:51
Rob @ 125, that didn't take a lot mate, but I totally agree ! :-)
Dave Abrahams
128 Posted 12/02/2023 at 13:07:22
Anthony (123) if you see Iwobi in central midfield you’ll also see the big gaps appear with the opposition strolling through them, you need battlers and tacklers in the central midfield positions to thwart the opposition, whatever Iwobi is he is never a tackler and certainly not a battler,leave him on the wing and hope he takes the full back on and puts some centres in after taking the time to look up and find a teammate with those centres.
Tony Everan
129 Posted 12/02/2023 at 13:27:19
Dave, you summed Iwobi up to perfection there.

Also add he’s a ‘wandering Angus’ as Jerome called him. Against Arsenal that wide berth in the midfield five is where he can do some defensive work closing the space for the wide men and get forward too along with sending in wicked cross from deeper. It’s a simpler remit that keeps his wandering and positional indiscipline in check.

Dyche had him more disciplined than I’ve ever seen him , imploring him to get back in line during the game. Alex responded to it and and I want to see more of it. He has a great engine and it needs using to best effect.

Neil Copeland
130 Posted 12/02/2023 at 13:35:38
Rob #125, spot on, they are the biggest bunch of shits anyone could never wish to meet.
Rob Halligan
131 Posted 12/02/2023 at 13:37:56
And not a swear word in sight, Neil! I must be mellowing!
Danny O’Neill
132 Posted 12/02/2023 at 13:53:58
Well, let's see tomorrow Rob. Bring your swear box as you'll need it!

Dave @128, we have to use what is available and Iwobi seems less confused than he was 12 to 18 months ago.

With what we've got, play him in what we now call a number 10 position supporting the striker (if we've got one) and have a more compact midfield between them and the defence.

Brent Stephens
133 Posted 12/02/2023 at 14:08:03
Tony #129

"Alex responded to it and I want to see more of it. He has a great engine and it needs using to best effect."

Tony, given Dyche's self-confessed emphasis on what he calls "crunching the play" (great YouTube explanation by Dyche of how he deployed this to beat the rs) and the great demands that places on his midfield players, then Iwobi's engine is a great asset in that setup.

Dave Abrahams
134 Posted 12/02/2023 at 14:29:08
Brent (133),

Iwobi's engine is not the problem, it's his heart, always has been and always will be – unless Dyche can sort that problem out, which I doubt, watching Iwobi since he first came here.

Brent Stephens
135 Posted 12/02/2023 at 14:30:18
Not sure what you mean by his "heart", Dave?
Sean Roe
136 Posted 12/02/2023 at 14:32:16
A real chance of relegation, no proper strikers, a porous slow defence, an ageing midfield, a dinosaur of a manager that only knows one way to play…

Liverpool really are in big trouble, 1-0 to the Blues!

Dave Abrahams
137 Posted 12/02/2023 at 14:32:51
Brent (135)

Quite simple: bottle or guts, take your pick, he lacks both.

Dom Ungi
138 Posted 12/02/2023 at 14:33:18
Thought I would jump on here, got a couple tickets for the main stand and taking my brother who’s a red. Is fan segregation still enforced or can I wear my shirt?!
Brent Stephens
139 Posted 12/02/2023 at 14:51:49

I see bottle and guts as important in tackling and Iwobi doesn't seem to have that. But Dyche's tactics are based as much on "crunching the play", as he himself calls it and explains it.

That calls for 100% effort in closing down space. That in turn calls for stamina. And Iwobi has that in bundles.

Christy Ring
140 Posted 12/02/2023 at 15:08:18
Dave is spot on regarding Iwobi, he has a great engine, can run all day, but is never involved physically with the opposition. He would be a disaster in central midfield, I never ever saw him make a tackle.

Our best hope is play him on the wing, and see can he take advantage of Robertson's limited defensive abilities – probably one of the dirtiest and sneakiest players in the Premier League.

Dave Abrahams
141 Posted 12/02/2023 at 15:13:12
Brent (139),

Stamina is important of course but stamina is wasted if you're running with no purpose at the end of those runs.

Now Brent, you go to more Everton games than me so surely you see him making 30- and 40-yard runs after a player then stop a couple of feet just before he gets up to the player and doesn't make any sort of genuine attempt to tackle that player.

Then he makes a longer run back to the opposing ‘keeper when the ball is played back to the ‘keeper with no chance at all of Iwobi getting near the ball. It's all bluff like Marcus(?) Bent used to do, but a lot of the crowd loved him for it.

Wasted energy and stamina has never kidded me and Iwobi is full of it. He should be making better use of that stamina and energy in other parts of his game, like getting into the penalty area a lot more and having a few shots at the opposing goal.

He surprised everyone with that very good goal versus Man Utd only recently… possibly himself even!!

Brent Stephens
142 Posted 12/02/2023 at 15:23:49
Dave, I think we're actually in agreement on Iwobi's offensive game – we're saying the same thing.

My comment was purely on the defensive part of his game. Given how important a defensive set-up is to Dyche, and what he demands of the likes of wide players like Iwobi and McNeil in that set-up (and see what he demanded of his wide players at Burnley), then Iwobi has the running to close down the opposition play.

Christy, exactly, play him wide, which is what Dyche did against Arsenal. You just have to watch that video of Dyche himself explaining the sort of role demanded of the likes of Iwobi in what Dyche calls "crunching the play" (he explains this with reference to the roles of Brady and McNeil as wide men at Burnley). This is Dyche saying this.

Frank Thomas
143 Posted 12/02/2023 at 15:28:13
The problem with Iwobi is a lack of composure. Every time the game gets really exciting and tense, he puts us under pressure with a really really poor, usually misplaced cross especially when the bulk of our team is attacking leading to a breakaway and goal.

Has anyone got any stats on wins, draws, losses etc on Iwobi when playing or not playing?

We know that Klopp will be motivating his team with the words "You will be regarded as being a crap Liverpool squad if you lose to Everton on Monday". This could backfire badly on him if we win. So they will be going for a draw or a breakaway win.

Jerome Shields
144 Posted 12/02/2023 at 16:07:00
Often when Iowbi plays well, I notice that Coleman seems to seek him out to congratulate him. I think is because Coleman always wants to do the best he can, recognising in Iowbi someone who also does.

Iowbi has always been selected by numerous managers for this reason. But he has always been a free spirit who can look caught out in play.

In an interview, Ancelotti was asked about Iowbi complaining that he was not being played in his best position. Ancelotti seemed taken aback by this, saying: "His best position? I play him in his best position."

The truth is that Iowbi's best position is all over the place. Lampard, a midfield fielder himself, with little idea of defence, recognised himself in Iowbi, though a bit more disciplined.

Iowbi had found a manager who believed in him, which did his confidence no end of good. Frank had restricted Iowbi in the end when under pressure; he was less effective and the gaps appeared – not helped by Frank's sieve formation.

I agree with Tony @128 to a large extent regarding Iowbi and I do like the player, but was concerned with a change of manager. But I do think that Dyche is a manager that Iowbi will respond to.

I am encouraged that Tony @129 has identified him as more disciplined in his role under Dyche during the Arsenal game. He is one of the posters I watch out for, knowing he actually attends games and post's on his first-hand observations, which I find very valuable, not being able to attend many games.

Brian Williams
145 Posted 12/02/2023 at 16:13:55

The reason Coleman seeks out Iwobi is that Coleman recognizes that Iwobi's confidence is fragile and the lad needs constant pats on the back.

Tony Hill
146 Posted 12/02/2023 at 16:17:42
I wouldn't be looking to Iwobi for his tackling game. Dave's right that he dashes about for no good reason but he's got a good pass in him, and the odd trick, and he was being praised on here a few months ago as a remarkable transformation story.

I thought he did well last week, not great but effective, and he works well with Coleman (they seem to like each other).

Let's see what Dyche can do with him.

Dave Abrahams
147 Posted 12/02/2023 at 16:19:44
Brent (142),

I don't want to be argumentative with you but I don't think Iwobi is great at closing down, he goes and has a look at what is going on and might sneak the ball away for a throw-in but doesn't do enough for me.

He treats the ball like a hot potato a lot of the time, panics and can't get rid of the ball quick enough but, if you like him, fair enough; he will never be my cup of tea.

Tony Hill
148 Posted 12/02/2023 at 16:25:22
ps: Christy @140, he's played well for us in central midfield, actually, and I think he's better centrally than wide but can't see a role for him there just now.

Against Arsenal, the Onana, Doucoure, Gueye set-up looked powerful: not something you could have said about us for a long time before that.

Christy Ring
149 Posted 12/02/2023 at 16:30:32
Iwobi is supposed to be the most skilful player in training so he should be taking on players but he doesn't have the confidence in himself to do so.

You constantly see him running to close down players but never gets near enough to put in a challenge. Not being disrespectful but he has no physicality in his game.

Tony Hill
150 Posted 12/02/2023 at 16:33:48
Their midfield is shit at the moment so the Mad German Dentist will try to by-pass it (as he has done for a while, in truth) with long balls to Nunez and Salah. But they are out of form and if you dominate the middle, as we should, then you have a big chance.
Brent Stephens
151 Posted 12/02/2023 at 16:34:54
Dave, likewise I don't want to be argumentative. The point being made (and this is Dyche's point) wasn't about tackling (but of course, you're right in that it's obviously an important part of the game) - the point was solely about closing down space so that you limit the options available to the opposition in terms of where they can play the ball - you try to dictate which areas of the pitch their play is confined to. Dyche shows this well in a simple diagram - but I can't draw it on here! I've got my crayons out drawing it in front of me!
Dave Abrahams
152 Posted 12/02/2023 at 16:46:03
Brent (151), well Brent all I can finish with is Iwobi doesn’t close down space very well, Kevin Sheedy closed down space very well just using his brains as did Peter Reid and I could run faster than them in my fifties!!

Energy and stamina are not much use if you don’t know how to use it and I don’t think Iwobi has this knowledge.

Brent Stephens
153 Posted 12/02/2023 at 16:47:51
Dave, I'll leave the last word with you.
Dave Abrahams
154 Posted 12/02/2023 at 16:56:53
Brent (153), very clever of you Brent, now you know I’ll start worrying about what you’re really thinking!!
Brent Stephens
155 Posted 12/02/2023 at 16:58:47
Dave, have a word with my wife. She knows my thoughts - even before they enter my head.
Dave Abrahams
156 Posted 12/02/2023 at 17:09:29
Brent (155) Funny you should say that but I know exactly what you mean except my wife gives me an answer to my thoughts that I haven’t begun to think about.
Billy Fisher
157 Posted 12/02/2023 at 17:28:33
Don't change anything except for Simms or any big lad for Calvert-Lewin.
Kim Vivian
158 Posted 12/02/2023 at 17:30:05
Right – I think it's time I cut my hair...
Andy Crooks
159 Posted 12/02/2023 at 17:30:21
Brian @145,

You are really on to something there, confidence-building and encouragement build spirit.

May I add, that your post was one of the finest I have ever read.

Mike Price
160 Posted 12/02/2023 at 18:09:02
I think Iwobi is a waste of space and money. Don't give him a new contract as absolutely no one else is remotely interested in him.

He shuffles around the pitch, especially when chasing back, which is infuriating. He rarely scores, assists, beats a man, tackles… he's like the cowardly lion of midfielders.

Barry Williams
161 Posted 12/02/2023 at 18:19:16
Mike Price - 160

He has 5 assists this season. So, he has had a hand in almost 1/3rd of the Everton league goals. Often playing with no target man too!

Colin Glassar
162 Posted 12/02/2023 at 18:24:07
Mike 160, a hearty seconded to that.

He was a 5-6 game wonder last season but normal service has now been resumed. Sell, sell, sell!!!!

Tony Abrahams
163 Posted 12/02/2023 at 18:44:50
How many goals would you say Iwobi has given away?

Serious question, because I thought he often went running forward with no discipline whilst playing under Lampard and he was definitely part of the reason why Everton became very, very easy to play against.

It was only one game but, if Everton are to survive this relegation battle, then the discipline that we showed against Arsenal is going to be absolutely crucial over the next 3 months and this must be replicated on a regular basis; otherwise, I don't think we will survive.

Dyche, in his video, talks about crunching the space, Brent, so I just hope Pickford is on his toes sweeping tomorrow night.

Jerome Shields
164 Posted 12/02/2023 at 18:44:56
Brian #145,

Hadn't thought of that. Probably the reason.

Barry Williams
165 Posted 12/02/2023 at 18:53:03
Tony Abrahams @163,

No idea how many goals he has given away, though I would agree with you – at times he seemed like he was all over the place… instructed to do so?

Gana was the same, though – and you could ask the same question of him on a few occasions! The worst culprit for that for me was Gomez – maybe it is an Everton thing.

One thing I will say about Iwobi : his attacking stats could be better but, compared to his teammates, he is doing quite well. Plus, he is an attacking player, not a defensive player, and has played on both wings, as both a right- and left-wingback, and as a conventional right-back too, I think (happy to be corrected), an attacking midfielder, a defensive midfielder and a Number 8 – unless I am recalling things incorrectly!

Brian Williams
166 Posted 12/02/2023 at 19:02:51
Andy #159.

May I add, that your post was one of the finest I have ever read.

Errrr are you after money mate? I'm skint y'know! ;-))

Danny O’Neill
167 Posted 12/02/2023 at 19:08:03
We go there tomorrow with hope and promise. Fuck every single one of them.

Some might be family but tomorrow I look them in the eye and owe them fuck all.

Let's get up for this Blues.

Apologies for my language. I'm Catholic. I will go to Confession.

Tony Abrahams
168 Posted 12/02/2023 at 19:42:17
The most pleasing thing about the Arsenal game was that, after 10 minutes, I don't think Gana Gueye had touched the ball, Barry, and this was possibly because everyone else had also kept their shape and discipline.

Lampard was definitely not setting us up right and it was exasperating watching the indiscipline in our midfielders. In his first game, Dyche had us defending from the front and defending as a team; this is something that never really occurred under Lampard.

Barry Williams
169 Posted 12/02/2023 at 19:59:25
Tony Abrahams @168,

So let's see how it pans out – it will suit some players more than others, I guess. I think the problem with Lampard was he was transitioning styles too quickly for a squad assembled by Moyes, Martinez, Koeman, Silva, Allardyce, Ancelotti and Benitez – a hard task for anyone, but I guess (being an expert), the best way to approach this scenario is fitness, fight and discipline initially!

I still think Iwobi is one of the better players in the squad; better than he is given credit.

Mike Doyle
170 Posted 12/02/2023 at 20:17:18
Danny # 167,

I was brought up a Catholic too (St Oswald's parish, Old Swan). We were assured that, if you attended mass on 9 consecutive first Fridays of the month, you are guaranteed a place in Heaven (irrespective of what happens in the rest of your life). I did, so I reckon I'm covered.

Not sure if any TW regulars are members of the clergy but, if they are, I'd be grateful if they could post a confirmation.

Mark Ryan
171 Posted 12/02/2023 at 20:22:30
The best thing about us going into this game?

We don't have Lampard leading us and so we have a chance, c'mon boys!!

Dave Abrahams
172 Posted 12/02/2023 at 20:32:02
Mike (170) I thought the attending mass on nine consecutive first Fridays helped you to secure the success of what particular intention you were hoping for eg, someone close to you recovering from a serious illness but I’m not sure,, maybe you were told different stories depending on what parish you were in.

Nevertheless I went to St. Mary of the Angels ( The Friary) the best parish in the whole world and I did those nine consecutive masses, sadly the person I made the intention for passed away not long after the ninth mass. I also made those nine masses later in life for a private intention but that was a failure too but that person grew up to be a lovely genuine honest person so maybe that was a consolation prize, or maybe I’m not very good at praying!!

Tony Abrahams
173 Posted 12/02/2023 at 20:35:33
I think he’s got the potential to be one of the best players in our squad Barry, but I also think he gets a bit too much praise because he had a decent spell, and is now a lot better than he used to be, whilst still not being quite good enough imo, mate.

I hate seeing players running just for running’s sake, and this is something I often think Iwobi does, but he’s definitely got ability, and if he can be taught to become a more disciplined footballer, then I think he will be deserving of a lot more praise.

Football is easy, and we are all experts whilst sitting there with our feet up, but the reality is, it’s a very difficult and brutal sport, and I can’t believe our manager has been stupid enough to make videos, that highlight his defensive set-up, because it’s not as if he his skint!

Mike Doyle
174 Posted 12/02/2023 at 20:36:24
Dave # 172] We’ll if I’m right that’s 2 of us guaranteed a warm welcome at the gates of Heaven. I wonder if Danny will make it a Holy Trinity?
Tony Abrahams
175 Posted 12/02/2023 at 20:40:05
If anyone can get to heaven and know more than two people when they get there, I’d be extremely shocked!
Don Alexander
176 Posted 12/02/2023 at 20:41:59
Talk of Iwobi coincides with that other wimp we had, Barkley, who this week was excluded from Nice's entire squad for some no-mark European entire competition.

Bizarre why we signed the lad for so much money but I read today that Reidy was invited to talk to the players at FF very recently. I hope he was able to explain to our Alex what being a proper midfielder is all about, despite having had a broken leg or two.

As an aside Reidy was voted as the PFA Players' Player of the Year in 1985 and came fourth in the World Soccer Player of the Year award, behind Michel Platini, Preben Elkjær and Diego Maradona.

That's where tackling can get you Alex.

Tony Abrahams
177 Posted 12/02/2023 at 20:42:05
Although it goes without saying that hopefully Anfield is going to be heaven for three thousand delirious Evertonians, tomorrow night
Bill Gienapp
178 Posted 12/02/2023 at 21:06:31
I'm almost more interested in the performance than the result. Obviously a result would be fantastic, but the big issue under Lampard was that we never seemed able to carry the momentum of a great performance into the next match (i.e. the galvanizing draw against City was immediately followed by Brighton trouncing us at Goodison).

Win, lose, or draw - if we look comparable to the way we did against Arsenal, it bodes well for the reason of the season.

Andy Crooks
179 Posted 12/02/2023 at 21:24:10
Don @176, tackling is illegal. Running along side another player and boosting your stats is not. Iwobi fits the bill. You and Reid are dinosaurs.

Dave Abrahams
180 Posted 12/02/2023 at 21:42:25
Don (176), it was also reported that he has invited Graeme Sharp to visit Finch Farm and have a chat to the players, imagine when he reports back to Kenwright and tells him “ Master you will have to do something drastic about this Dyche fella, he’s got those bastards grafting, they’re sweating cobs every day, the woman in charge of cleaning their kits is going off on one, complaining she’s actually having to use soap powder to wash the kits, worse after just a week those players are enjoying training and a lot of the snidey pricks are staying back for extra work, after all we’ve done for them over the years, this can’t go on Master they’ll have us up the league in no time, I warned you not to sack Frank erm if you don’t mind me saying so Master, maybe Denice can up with one of her master plans to add to the other hundred and bleedin’ twenty ones she devised last year, and what amI going to do if these players carry on like this, I hate those bastards”
Matt Byrne
181 Posted 12/02/2023 at 22:25:31
Peter Reid is one of the finest Everton players of the post war era. He also acts as a reminder of the standards and aspirations this club should be attaining. He should be treated with total respect. I assume critics are too young to actually remember him play and how he drove Everton to unprecedented success. Extremely glad that Dyche values his presence and input.
Don Alexander
182 Posted 12/02/2023 at 22:26:40
Andy, with respect, tackling is not illegal if it's done right. That said, even a dinosaur like me appreciates that it's the last resort for a good defensive set-up.

And Dave, I hope that the sponge that is Sharp, if such a thing has to exist, doesn't go into public use!

Derek Knox
183 Posted 12/02/2023 at 22:53:39
Don, could be a lot worse, having Kenwright speaking to the troops at Finch Farm !
Don Alexander
184 Posted 12/02/2023 at 23:38:26
Derek, it seems to me that Finch Farm is now largely clear of Kenwright bottom-kissers - sadly far too late....... but that's been the Everton way under the chairman leech from the outset of his tenure.
Barry Williams
185 Posted 13/02/2023 at 03:21:08
Tony Abrahams - 173

I think it is a modern-day-phenomenon to praise players far too quickly after just a few games to be fair. Ridiculous, and at Everton we seem as guilty as anyone heralding the next big star - only to be disappointed time and time again.

Kieran Kinsella
186 Posted 13/02/2023 at 03:21:34
Off topic but, Kevin Bacon, Will Smith, my great great great grandfather who faked his death and moved to Philadelphia before committing bigamy, the guy Tom Hanks played in Philadelphia, are you watching? Your boys took a hell of a beating in the Super Bowl! Next up the RS
Christine Foster
187 Posted 13/02/2023 at 04:24:48
Dave @176,

Sharp returns to the Masters quarters later same afternoon:

“Master, I did as you asked, I have used your burner phone and messaged all press that Pickford wants £200k a week! What cheek! Not one of them are worth it! He will soon be gone and we can get at least £80M from Man Utd for him."

The master smiles, "Well done Grasshopper, now we let the outrage fester…"

"It’s a disgrace, Master! £200k a week!" I wasn't being paid that much a year!" he pauses, "Master, I am still not being paid that much a year"

"Correct Grasshopper, but do not worry, once our esteemed leader has finished the stadium and sells, I will ensure you are paid that amount on our triumphant entrance to the new stadium where I will be crowned king!"

"Crowned Master?" But our leader has asked for a new room next to the boardroom with a high headroom!"

"What are you talking about Grasshopper? What is a high headroom for?"

"I do not know master, he said it was coming especially from France, said it cuts through paper and will put an end to the misery you have cost him."

"What are you talking about, Grasshopper? What is this device?"

"I do not know master, I think he said it was called a National Razor in France... he wants you to attend a demonstration next week..."

Door slams, patter of tiny feet running down stairs..
"Master?" What is wrong?"

Derek Thomas
188 Posted 13/02/2023 at 06:02:47
Christine @ 187; Tabarnak !
Danny O’Neill
189 Posted 13/02/2023 at 06:40:21
I personally think the best defenders read the game so don't have to tackle that often. Just a personal view.

I'm not suggesting he's.amongst the best, but because it's relevant to this team right now, I don't think I've seen Tarkowski make many tackles. He tends more to anticipate, put his body in the way and make a block. Jagielka was good at recovery. Ratcliffe was just too quick for everyone. He must have worn jet-powered boots.

Onana frightens me. Thank goodness his timing seems to be spot on. Although lets see how that goes this evening. I could see it giving the starstruck Ref who will probably hum along to that song a perfect opportunity.

That gave me an early morning laugh Dave Abrahams. I obviously don't know and have never met Sharp, my 3rd in line boyhood idol. But when I think back to the footage on Howard's Way and how he seems to be playing out his current role, he seems pretty submissive. Great on the pitch though and gave me some of best moments of my life following Everton. Just a hunch, no facts or actuals to back up that opinion.

On a day of what is going to be emotional, the comment about Peter Reid is valid. Definitely one of the best of the post war era. I can only go off what those who watched the ‘60s told me and then my own experiences in the ‘70s and since.

No particular order and I'll leave my obvious out of it!!

The Angel
West (have you watched the limited footage? He could throw a ball out rather than kick it).
And yes, Sharp.

I would throw Seamus in there for sheer dedication and commitment to the cause in difficult times and he works incredibly hard having had to to get there.

I'm sure there are more that others could think of. Oh to have players of that quality at that place tonight, but we go with what we have and fight.

Dave Carruthers
190 Posted 13/02/2023 at 07:30:40
Interesting perspectives, Danny. Nor least that Trevor Steven would be the last of your selection to make his debut - back in about 1983 I think. That is a terrible indictment of last 40 years, but doubt anyone disagrees.

Of an older vintage but one who adored both the late ‘60s and mid ‘80s teams, I would certainly try and fit Ratcliffe and Labone into your selection. Royle at peak was a great centre-forward.

Joe McMahon
191 Posted 13/02/2023 at 08:26:15
Danny, its a bit Grim that's all there is over 60 years. No Cahill?

Ray Roche
192 Posted 13/02/2023 at 08:34:27
Or Labone, Ratcliffe, Wilson, Collins, ….,
Danny O’Neill
193 Posted 13/02/2023 at 08:42:47
My dad idolised Joe Royle, Dave. Not as much as Alex Young or Alan Ball, who one of my brothers is named after. My other brother's middle name is Howard. Me? I'm named after a famous Irish song. I drew the short straw!

Labone is a good shout. And yes Cahill is in the club,Joe.

Okay, I will say it, let's get Sheedy, the one and only, on the pitch to slot one in right in front of that cesspit of a stand and their self-appreciating horrible fans.

Duncan McDine
194 Posted 13/02/2023 at 08:51:20
Kieran - Mahomes made it look like cream cheese against Philadelphia! I had the Chiefs at 10-1 at the start of the season, so this particular Monday morning is a good one. Let’s hope the Blues can make it a fantastic Monday evening. UTFT
Tony Graham
195 Posted 13/02/2023 at 09:02:48
Which Everton will turn up tonight? The “Dyche bounce effect” team or the “revert to normal” lot?

Don't trust em to put in two good consecutive performances, so it's a loss for me.

Jim Bennings
196 Posted 13/02/2023 at 09:06:26
My one hope for tonight is that we don't start shitting ourselves again as so often happens at that place when the crowd is up for it.

So many times we have gone to Anfield and matched them only to find a way to not win or worse lose.

Peter Mills
197 Posted 13/02/2023 at 09:13:59
Dave, Tony, as my Dad used to say, “Whether I end up in heaven or hell, I'll be amongst friends”.

For the theologians out there, surely we've got a decent chance of getting through the pearly gates, given the amount of purgatory we've endured over the years?

Danny, I thought of you yesterday. My 6-year-old grandson made his outfield debut, having been playing in goal to help out the team. He was peripheral at times, didn't tackle very much, but moved into good positions, played some incisive passes and scored a screamer from the edge of the box (all left peg). Reminded me of someone from the 80s.

Give our loveable neighbours a salute from me tonight, please.

Danny O’Neill
198 Posted 13/02/2023 at 09:15:31
We all turn up tonight, Tony @195, and we go there with guts and spirit.

I'm not beaten before we've started or a ball has been kicked. Far from it.

The team and the manager won't be either.

Let's go and take it to them. All 3,000 or so dedicated Evertonians plus those watching around the country and the globe and obviously the 11 on the pitch.

I don't care about them. I'll probably get the usual abuse and condasecndent behaviour. But we are going in. Let's do our thing and push them over the line as well as looking that lot in the eye with blue pride.

Jerome Shields
199 Posted 13/02/2023 at 09:23:44

Never a truer word said.


I would not count on it , though it is endearing you are attempting to think so.

Danny O’Neill
200 Posted 13/02/2023 at 09:26:33
Peter, teach him to read the game, anticipate and use his brain.

Like anything in life. Think ahead and spot the danger early. Then you sort it out before it becomes a problem.

Let's go and see the cousins.

Christopher Timmins
201 Posted 13/02/2023 at 09:56:22
After our recent performances against the two Manchester clubs and Arsenal we have nothing to fear tonight, expecting a positive result.
Rob Halligan
202 Posted 13/02/2023 at 10:05:22
Well said Christopher. A bit of positivity.
Laurie Hartley
203 Posted 13/02/2023 at 10:06:06
Or Johnny Morrissey or Tony Kay.
Tony Waring
204 Posted 13/02/2023 at 10:13:32
Mike (170) and Dave (172) you know we have to keep praying. All prayers are answered but not necessarily as we plan things !! Mike do you remember Fr Gerry Wharton at St Oswald's - an ardent blue as were many other members of the clergy in that era. I'm actually "doing the first fridays" by default because where I live in Devon the only weekday mass is on a Friday ! I think we are going to need some prayers tonight which I'm confident will be answered to the satisfaction of all blues.
Danny O’Neill
205 Posted 13/02/2023 at 10:16:29
Intrigued about Tony Kay. Clearly I didn't see him as he was before my time but many of that generation rated him as one of the best players they had seen.

Just to distract me from my heart flutters, for those who saw him, what is the opinion on him?

And he's not allowed to be better than Kevin Sheedy!!

Brian Harrison
206 Posted 13/02/2023 at 10:34:10
Danny 205

I am happy to distract you, Tony Kay was in my opinion the best Everton midfield player I have ever seen. He would not only get into any Everton team as I have commented before Tony Kay was the best midfield player in Britain and had he not been banned he would have been in Englands World Cup winning side. Tony was ferocious in the tackle he would win most 40-60 tackles never mind 50-50 tackles. He was an excellent passer of the ball and a great reader of the game. I know you are too young to remember him so just to give you an example of how good he was Kay was like Peter Reid on steroids and I loved Reidy, but like your idol Sheedy nowhere near the quality of Tony Kay. I also used to love watching Bobby Collins another terrific midfield general but Danny take my word Kay was the best.

Danny O’Neill
207 Posted 13/02/2023 at 10:45:24
That's great Brian. Thank you for the assessment. He must have been some player. It backs up how my Dad, Uncle and Grandad spoke of him. What a shame, for whatever reasons, we didn't see him for as long as we should have and he's not in the same vein as the likes of the Holy Trinity..
Dave Abrahams
208 Posted 13/02/2023 at 11:07:24
Peter (197), I wouldn’t mind meeting some of my old friends in either place but would hope it is upstairs.

It looks like your your six year old grandson has got a good football brain, I hope that goal he scored helped his team to win, best wishes Peter and I hope all us Evertonians have a big smile on our faces tonight around 10-00pm.

Dave Abrahams
209 Posted 13/02/2023 at 11:24:26
Tony (204), I think we have a decent chance of getting something from tonight’s game because of the way Dyche is getting a grip on proceedings at Everton and setting the players up to understand what he wants from them and how he wants them to perform and they seem to understand and are listening to his instructions, yes only one game I know, at the same time the players seemed lost and never played with any conviction underFrank Lampard, didn’t know what the plan was if there was one, a very disjointed team.

As for prayers for an Everton win, I have prayed at times for that to happen while conscious that the opposition supporters pray as well, although I must admit that I blessed myself with the sign of the cross immediately the ref. blew the whistle for full time at the end of the Arsenal game and silently thanked him.

Mark Ryan
210 Posted 13/02/2023 at 11:49:55
I see the bell-end who messed up the VAR decision for the Palace game at the weekend was meant to be doing our game tonight but he has been told to have some gardening leave. All is not lost though, he's been replaced by Andre ( I'm all at sea ) Marriner. Lucky us !
David Vaughan
211 Posted 13/02/2023 at 12:19:18
I feel sick but strangely optimistic. But this is the RS. We could actually win...or they turn up on the day and thrash us 8-0. No, that's done nothing for my nausea.
James Hughes
212 Posted 13/02/2023 at 12:26:02
Just on the ferry with grandson over from NZ taking him to see the new ground and will pop by GP on the way back. Hoping he remembers.

A win for us tonight 2-0 COYB

Dave Abrahams
213 Posted 13/02/2023 at 12:31:48
Mark (210), I think all the officials will have to be extra careful after the disgraceful performances over the weekend by the referees on the field and in the studio and especially now that Howard Webb, head of the referees has called for a meeting tomorrow night of all the referees and line persons connected to the premier league to try and sort this horrible mess VAR has become largely through the bias and incompetence of these same officials, the eyes of football will be on tonight’s game and the meeting tomorrow night, this mess can’t be allowed to carry on the way it has been since VAR was introduced and been abused by human hands every week without fail. The stench of it has to stop.
Tom Bowers
214 Posted 13/02/2023 at 12:32:06
Best not to get too excited about today's game after the
Gunner's result. Everton have given us too many letdown's in the past.

RS are having a rough season by their standards and our attack will be struggling yet.

We dare not expect anything in our favor from the officials given the recent VAR mistakes so let's just hope for a solid defensive showing to get us ready for the Leeds game.

Leeds showed they can still play a bit and dominated Manure early on yesterday.

I have probably experienced more Derby matches than I care to remember and have many great memories especially Sharpie's goal of the season at Analfield back in the Eighties.

Any kind of Everton winning goal would satisfy me today.

Tony Waring
215 Posted 13/02/2023 at 12:34:18
Dave (209) you just put a cloud on my day. There was I thinking it was only Evertonians who prayed . as if they were the only ones who needed to pray !
As for Tony Kay yes he was a super player someone for attackers to avoid if possible ! A terrific tackler and I think he was banned after betting as opposed to fixing a match but I could be wrong there; the memory gets a bit foggy after time !
Raymond Fox
216 Posted 13/02/2023 at 13:17:00
We want DCL to start the game, but it doesn't seem likely he will, going off the update on him the other day.
As praying seems to have come into vogue on here I suggest we pray for Dominic to be fit.

I think its dangerous to underestimate Liverpool, they still have plenty of world class players, they might be out of form at the moment but they are not going to be a pushover.
I've not a clue what sort of score its going to finish at, you cant make a prediction without knowing whos playing.

Clive Rogers
217 Posted 13/02/2023 at 13:47:53
Tony, 215, it was betting against his own team in a game he was playing in, so technically match fixing, although he was reported to have given a MOTM performance. The three involved were banned for life.
Bill Gall
218 Posted 13/02/2023 at 13:49:13
Well for once I will not be optimistic about a favorable result to night as at least we have a manager and a group of players who appear up for he fight,and are not afraid of the opposition. Now the only thing we need is the voodoo signs to have left Anfield and we don't get a top 6 biased ref, seeing who the ref is tonight 1 out of 2 may be good enough, the voodoo has gone and no fluky goals.

Yes i did see T.Kay play and he did get MOTM in the game that he got the suspension from .

Stefan Busby
219 Posted 13/02/2023 at 13:49:59
Anyone got a stream link other than VIP that can be used? Don't want to be mucking about later at KO. I do have something but not stable. Thanks in advance :)
John Keating
220 Posted 13/02/2023 at 13:52:20
You are tight that Tony Kay was a superb player and had he not been done I’m sure he would have got a world cup medal in 66

I think tge big difference regarding betting and fixing a match was that he bet on his then team, wednesday, to lose against Ipswich which they did

Such a waste of a fantastic talent for a few quid

60k I think we bought him for. Couldn’t buy him nowadays

Mike Doyle
221 Posted 13/02/2023 at 13:59:03
Brian # 206 ] I'm also too young to have seen Tony Kay, but my late father (a Goodison regular between 1950 and the mid-80s) reckoned he was the best Everton player he ever saw play live - and third best British player after Duncan Edwards and George Best.
Dermot O'Brien
222 Posted 13/02/2023 at 14:01:47
Stefan, try
Danny O’Neill
223 Posted 13/02/2023 at 14:01:57
Fantastic James. I hope the young boy is as captured as I was all those years ago. There is no going back.

On my way up on a train surprisingly sparse of Kopites. Maybe I'm in the wrong carriage but at least that means I can stay on past Stafford.

All the windows open wide.

Put the candle out.

We are respected wherever we may go.

Be loud and proud tonight Blues. Lets take it to them.

Clive Rogers
224 Posted 13/02/2023 at 14:07:43
Tony Kay was a fantastic player capable of playing in any of the outfield positions. He could well have lifted the World Cup instead of Bobby Moore.
Martin Farrington
225 Posted 13/02/2023 at 14:08:23
Never under estimate our bastard child. They sold their souls and have the luck of Lucifer.
Whoopi Arnold will handle on their goal line and be cleared by Va(fa)R(ce).
Robertson will remove Onana's kneecap and get yellow.
Myko will tackle Salah in our box. Clearly winning the ball. However his boot lace marginally brushed the Egyptians stud. Moh will will engage his well renowned freebase fall to the ground.
Red for us and pen for them
Yup we go down to ten and one down.
Its all par for that cursed fixed fixture again.

Then Dychy takes out Klipperty in the tunnel at half time.

The lads come back invigorated with a spirit unseen ( except for the tunnel K.O. incident inbetween)
Synching in to our sour seasons saved spirit, we bash in two past Carras love, Alison.
One a throw out he badly timed. Iwobi chips him whilst the genial goalkeeper is miles off his line.
To give these red devils the extra time, PL refs tow the anfield team must win at all costs line and adding a mysterious 9.
But they cant break through. Our solid defence and midfield fighters putting on the frighteners
And then a breakaway. The ref wants to call foul but no rule broken his whistle remains a necklace token.
Supersub Simms nails the coffin shut. Bang on 99. Our wondrous fans full of rapturous cheer. The shamed kopites disappear.
A dream true ?
You betcha.

Dave Abrahams
226 Posted 13/02/2023 at 14:22:33
Regarding Tony Kay, Everton were deprived of a really great player although Tony's crime (?) was committed when he played for another club, Tony was signed for £60,000 – a huge sum at the time and he had many years ahead of him to display that talent. Everton FC considered sueing Sheffield Wednesday for the legal fees that they paid to defend Tony, over £2,500 but never went ahead with that claim.

I think Tony stayed in Liverpool after the banning, he had a cardboard collecting business in Shaw Street over the road where I lived, he later served a short sentence over business concerning a diamond ring and was well looked after by people I knew while he was inside and afterwards when he had served the sentence, he played some amateur football in Liverpool, playing under an alias.

A wonderful career wasted over a bit of foolishness and a long time to regret it.

Kieran Kinsella
227 Posted 13/02/2023 at 14:29:25
More worrying that Liverpool


Jay Harris
228 Posted 13/02/2023 at 14:29:34
Tony Kay was like Howard Kendall on steroids tackle, win the ball and then spray a pass long or short to perfection.

It was a travesrsty to ban them for life. They figured they were favourites to llose that game and bet on it but as someone else pointed out Kay put up a MotM performance.

On the subject of the VAR I would like to see this "clear and obvious error" nonsense removed. It is either the correct decision or it isn't. If it isn't then correct it; otherwise, what's the point of the VAR.

Onto today and our chance for another 3 points. I would hope Calvert-Lewin makes it as he would definitely unsettle their backline in a way that neither Maupay nor Simms can.

Dale Self
229 Posted 13/02/2023 at 14:38:03
That he went on to play keyboards for Yes is unbelievable, literally.

I’ve got some adult things to do today but that is really a mirage i’m fucking all that off and going all in on this experience which is truly living We have a fantastic chance to get over on these creeps. UTFT!!!!! I would love to see Dyche get the winner’s handshake from the Klown.

Dave Lynch
230 Posted 13/02/2023 at 14:43:22
This I reckon is gonna be a nasty one.

Tackles flying everywhere with that lot getting the big decisions, as always.

Klopp gurning and jumping around on the touchline berating the 4th official and whipping his players into a frenzy.

If we keep our heads though and get in behind them we can win this comfortably with the same level of performance we put in against Arsenal.

Defend solidly and attack with purpose.

Dave Abrahams
231 Posted 13/02/2023 at 14:55:28
Dale (229), yes Tony changed his name to Kaye and joined Yes!!

What are the adult things you were going to do today before you changed your mind, if you don’t mind me asking.

Daniel A Johnson
232 Posted 13/02/2023 at 15:20:04
Also expecting an ugly one with the shit houses Henderson and Robertson being the key offenders from the murderers
Danny O’Neill
233 Posted 13/02/2023 at 15:35:37
Some great recounts of Tony Kay. I will do my research and educate myself.

Right now I'm approaching Runcorn and have managed to bump into several London reds on the train for my sins. Says me the London living blue. But they are proper London reds. No roots or connections, just support them.

I always get sentimental when the train crosses the Mersey. Don't worry, I'm not going all Bill!

Ray Roche
234 Posted 13/02/2023 at 15:37:56
Danny there used to be some snippets of Tony Kay on YouTube. Might be worth checking out.
Bill Gall
235 Posted 13/02/2023 at 15:41:22
Dave # 226

Tony Kay played amateur football for Crawford's, I don't no how many games he played but at that time I was running an amateur Sunday league team and we played a friendly against them, Kay played and our winger can testify to that as he has still got the bruises.

John Keating
236 Posted 13/02/2023 at 15:42:19
Didn’t know he stayed after the ba and never knew he had a business in Shaw Street
I would have been up there all the time from Salisbury Street!!
What a player and what a waste
Will Mabon
237 Posted 13/02/2023 at 15:43:08
I have a sneak feeling the RS are the ones that will be nervous tonight - I know the fans I've spoken with are; gone a little quiet and that smug is absent.

I expect us to pressure and contain them as against Arsenal, and as they themselves used to do. Difference is, two thirds of our team don't "have asthma" and the RS seem short of inhalers this season.

Kim Vivian
238 Posted 13/02/2023 at 15:47:39
Keyboards with Yes - Well, you live and learn!... One of my favourite bands back in the day.

Bet he earned a damned sight more with Yes than he would have playing football back then.

Daniel A Johnson
239 Posted 13/02/2023 at 16:03:35
Hope our away fans are alright tonight. Remember watch for those pints loaded with coins being thrown at the away end and also key reminder don't stand next to any walls. Safe travels all
Mark Ryan
240 Posted 13/02/2023 at 16:03:37
Ha ha wishful thinking. Our boy is not the same Tony Kaye. Yes man is not the same Tony Kay who played for us. Different people
Danny O’Neill
242 Posted 13/02/2023 at 16:14:20
Thank you Ray. I'll look that up.

Daniel, that lot can throw what they want at me. I've had worse.

Come on blue boys. More than life.

Steven Kendrew
243 Posted 13/02/2023 at 16:28:28
Whilst the lads will always be up for this game, whoever plays, the addition of Dyche into the mix will be interesting. Clippety is definitely not one of his favourite people so I hope this will add some extra spice into the mix in our favour. COYB. Let's stuff these for once, whilst they are vulnerable.
Rob Halligan
244 Posted 13/02/2023 at 16:28:31
Danny, see you in about 40 minutes.
David West
245 Posted 13/02/2023 at 16:28:33
I agree with dyche.. I just want to see a performance at the tourist arrtaction!!
The next couple of games are more important leauge wise. However the lift a performance and win would give us all can't be underestimated.

Show us last week wasn't a 1 off !

Show us that they won't crumble under the first bit of pressure!

Show us that application, determination & desire can make up for any shortcomings in ability!

Show us why we still live & breath this club despite all we have to endure!


UTFT !!!!!!!!!

Rob Halligan
246 Posted 13/02/2023 at 16:38:11
David # 245…………The tourist attraction! Love it.

They come from Scandinavia
Dressed all in red and white
They all think that they’re Scousers
They’re just a gang of shite
And when they go to Anfield
All they wanna do
Is go down to the club shop
It’s what the Tourists do.

Ole ole ole, ole ole ole.

See ya all later!

Stefan Busby
247 Posted 13/02/2023 at 16:49:02
#222 - Dermot

Cheers pal, I'll give that a whirl.

Feeling positive for tonight, wallop them from minute one just to let these cnt's know they are in a scrap :D

Dave Abrahams
248 Posted 13/02/2023 at 17:06:00
John (236), John strangely enough Alec Sweeney, who became your next door neighbour years later, worked with Tony one Christmas when Tony was using his van working for the Postal Service, they got taken on part time for three or four weeks for the Christmas rush, I think they had a lot of banter together with Alec being a committed Red. Tony’s firm was called Kay’s Kardboard, I don’t know how long it lasted.
Danny O’Neill
249 Posted 13/02/2023 at 17:06:06
Let's go and do these bastards.

Every single one of them.

James Hughes
250 Posted 13/02/2023 at 17:31:36
Rob # 246 on my travels around town today with my grandson I have seen quite a few people with red scarves but no blues ones. My son in law was trying to take the piss.
I just pointed out how many in red were speaking English ? ERR none

He's a kiwi but got the point

Christopher Timmins
251 Posted 13/02/2023 at 17:39:23
Danny, glad to hear that you are in full match day mode, let’s do this Blues!
Dennis Stevens
252 Posted 13/02/2023 at 17:42:46
Aye James. The blues were probably still at home, whereas the reds will have been travelling all day to get there. Broad generalisation on both counts but reasonably accurate assessment, I reckon.
Robert Tressell
253 Posted 13/02/2023 at 17:44:06
I bet Sean Dyche is absolutely buzzing right now. That's a big deal. Come on Everton
Brent Stephens
254 Posted 13/02/2023 at 17:44:38
Rob #246, I think I might have said this before but I went to watch our U23s against the rs U23s, last season I think. It was the Monday after the weekend first team derby game and you wouldn't believe the number of Scandinavian accents I heard behind the one goal. I'm not making this up. Hardly a red scarf with a scouse accent in hearing distance (a red scarf with an accent?! you know what I mean!).
Mark Ryan
255 Posted 13/02/2023 at 17:50:07
C'mon the mighty blue let's do these fuckers.
I want to see Bingo from the Banana Splits tripping his fucking bottom lip
David West
256 Posted 13/02/2023 at 17:52:32
Let's send them home with tears all over their song sheets printed out off Google, with their half n half scalfs soaked in tears as they make their long, long journey's home with their beatles memorabilia the best memory they have of their day trip !!
COYB !!!
Alex Whitehead
258 Posted 13/02/2023 at 17:57:53
Inside info:
Simms to start 💪💪
Darren Hind
259 Posted 13/02/2023 at 18:06:46
Been getting told all day by the Kopite's over the road from me (Three generations) that tonight is OUR cup final. They've been in their front room all day in their shite shirts and scarves getting pissed and singing about some twat dying under the Arabian sun. One of them in his late forties turned up with a full kit on For OUR cup final.

I knew they werent going the match because they never fucking do. I've been to Anfield more than any of them. They were all dressed up to go and watch it in town with thousands of other like-minded kopites who don't know where Mordor is.

I have just very nearly pissed myself. Their taxi turned up about ten minutes ago. The driver took one look, did a three point turn and fucked off down boundary street. You should have seen the gormless looks on their faces.

Tom Bowers
260 Posted 13/02/2023 at 18:08:07
With DCL touch and go I wouldn't tempt fate. I would sooner keep him for the Leeds game. He is all we have got until the offensive side of things is sorted and that probably won't be until the Summer.

Yes, like everyone else I would like to believe that Dyche will get a lot more from the team for the rest of the season but quality defense is what we need now.

Good to see Garner is getting fit again with one or two others but the limitations up front are obvious still.


Anthony Murphy
261 Posted 13/02/2023 at 18:21:12
Saw some RS tourists heading down from Sandhills towards BMD earlier
Kevin Molloy
262 Posted 13/02/2023 at 18:23:29
The Anfield Derby… Does anybody else have a feeling that tonight might just be our night?

Thought not.

June Brennan
263 Posted 13/02/2023 at 18:34:03
Darren (259) you have me howling with laughter picturing that scene. COYB
Christine Foster
264 Posted 13/02/2023 at 18:35:20
The Echo has come out with an opinion piece today stating the chanting of "Always the Victim" by away supporters will be deemed as an offense by police with further condemnation of it as pertaining solely to the Hillsborough disaster.

I get their perspective as the chant is disrespectful, is offensive and especially when done in relation to Hillsborough and should rightly be condemned. But in its broader context, non-event specific, it's also accurate. Twisting the context so it's seen "solely" relating to the Hillsborough disaster is spin, but it's effective spin because that's how it will be perceived.

So any Blues considering using it, don't. Find a different way of making our voices heard. Let the team humble them, don't give the cause to blame our support. Ever.

Alan McGuffog
265 Posted 13/02/2023 at 18:36:38
Every kopite I speak to is very downbeat about it. So we know what will happen...0 -0 after 100 minutes and then...well you've read the script
Kevin Molloy
266 Posted 13/02/2023 at 18:40:50
the overreach by the police is terrifying. How can they possibly know or judge the motives behind people singing a non specific song at a football match. But it is emblematic of the society we are becoming. Everything which does not accord with the received wisdom is now in danger of ending up as 'hate speech'. Ten years ago this would have been unthinkable.
Tony Abrahams
267 Posted 13/02/2023 at 18:43:13
I’m convinced they have people working on the internet, trying to take away from the public domain, things that can cause them embarrassment.

When they backed Suarez, this song became very popular, but it wasn’t long before they switched the gear, because it’s never their fault.

Mark Murphy
268 Posted 13/02/2023 at 18:44:16
Darren that’s proper got me in the mood! UTFT and KAGS!
Danny O’Neill
269 Posted 13/02/2023 at 18:45:05
Plenty of noise around Goodison as we get ready to head across the Park.

A shame the the Police are treating it like a riot.

Darren Hind
270 Posted 13/02/2023 at 18:50:29
Stride across Danny lad. Dont stroll.

Let them know your here to win

Will Mabon
271 Posted 13/02/2023 at 18:54:45
Kevin @ 262 - I do.

Whatever happens, how often did we last have any cause for optimism before this game in recent times? I'm sure more feel the same way.

Will Mabon
272 Posted 13/02/2023 at 18:56:30
Danny - and whistle Z Cars.

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