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Everton 3 - 0 Burnley

Amadou Onana scored his first of the season while Ashley Young notched for the first time as an Everton player

Everton booked their place in the Carabao Cup Quarter-Finals this evening with a comfortable 3-0 win over Burnley as Amadou Onana and Ashley Young each scored their first goals of the season.

James Tarkowski set the Blues on their way with a headed goal against his former club after 13 minutes and Sean Dyche's side completed a routine victory in the second half as Onana prodded home from close range and Young converted Beto's cross from a similar distance at the end.

As Everton paid tribute to Bill Kenwright before kick-off, with Farhad Moshiri in attendance at a home game for the first time in two years, Dyche made just two changes to the team that started at West Ham on Sunday, with Young coming back in for Nathan Patterson and Arnaut Danjuma replacing Abdoulaye Doucouré.

Everton had the first sight of goal in the seventh minute after Onana was fouled and a free-kick to the back of the area was headed back across to Dominic Calvert-Lewin but his cushioned header dropped harmlessly off target.

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Four minutes later, a decent passing move involving James Garner ended with Onana firing in a low shot from 25 yards that that was comfortably gathered by Muric in the Clarets' goal.

The opening goal came shortly afterwards, though, when Onana went up for a deep free-kick by Jordan Pickford, Dwight McNeil guided a cross into the box and Tarkowski steered a header away from the goalkeeper and into the Burnley net.

McNeil drilled a rising shot over the bar after Jack Harrison had linked up nicely with Danjuma down the right flank at one end before the visitors carved their hosts open for the first time midway through the first half when Virtinho rampaged through but Jakob Bruun Larsen's attempted cut-back from the byline was knocked behind for a corner.

Calvert-Lewin tried to capitalise on O'Shea's error not far outside the Burnley box but dragged a shot well wide of the target and Onana spooned a gift over the bar when Muric spilled a deep ball into the box under pressure from Branthwaite leaving his goal empty.

Onana was dispossessed on the halfway line by Sander Berger and the Norwegian popped up again to collect the return ball but his cross looking for Jay Rodriguez to tap home was cut out in the nick of time by Garner.

Eight minutes before the break and with Burnley probing more and more purposefully in search of an equaliser, Redmond got to the byline but his cross was also cut out before it could threaten Pickford's goal.

Neither manager made any changes at the halfway stage and it was Everton who were back on the front foot to start the second period but Calvert-Lewin was flagged offside before putting the ball in the net shortly after the restart.

The striker then found himself in a two-against-one situation as he chased down a big clearance but his attempted shot took a heavy deflection and dropped behind.

From that McNeil corner, however, Tarkowski nodded the ball down at the back post into a forest of legs in Burnley's six-yard box and Onana stole in to stab it over the line and make it 2-0.

It was almost three as Everton raced away on the counter-attack and Calvert-Lewin muscled past his marker but his square pass looking for Danjuma caught the heel of the last man and took it away from the Dutchman's path.

Both forwards were replaced soon afterwards with Beto and Doucouré joining the fray with 23 minutes left and after Harrison's chipped shot cleared the bar and Beto lashed a shot into the crowd from distance, the Portuguese almost got the chance to notch his second goal for the club.

Unfortunately, he just couldn't get his foot around substitute Patterson's swinging low cross behind the defence but he would turn provider a couple of minutes after Muric had batted Young's drive wide of his goal and McNeil had seen his own shot charged down.

Beto shrugged off Al-Dakjil near the corner flag, continued to drive along the byline and then whipped the ball across where Young arrived to crash it home.

Pickford was finally required to make a save in stoppage time as Odobert tried to fire one at his near post but the Blues' keeper retained the clean sheet as Everton progressed to the last eight.

Everton: Pickford, Mykolenko, Tarkowski, Branthwaite, Young, Harrison (80' Patterson), Garner, Onana (79' Gana), McNeil (90+4' Dobbin), Danjuma (68' Doucouré), Calvert-Lewin (68' Beto).

Subs not Used: Virginia, Godfrey, Keane, Chermiti.

Burnley: Muric, Delcroix, Vitinho [Y:58'] (83' Roberts), O'Shea, Al Dakhil [Y:29'], Cullen, Berge (83' Cork), Trésor, Larsen (66' Odobert), Redmond (66' Zaroury), Rodriguez (66' Amdouni). 

Subs not Used: Taylor Brownhill, Vigouroux, Massengo

Attendance: 38,841

In the draw after the game, Dyche's side were handed another home tie, this time against Marco Silva's Fulham.

Full Draw:

Everton vs Fulham
Chelsea vs Newcastle United
Port Vale vs Middlesbrough
Liverpool vs West Ham

Ties to be played the week beginning 18 December


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Dave Abrahams
1 Posted 01/11/2023 at 18:57:21
Only one goalie on the bench!

I don't like that!

David Dumphy
2 Posted 01/11/2023 at 19:10:06
Keane playing and on the bench, double luxury.
Bill Gienapp
3 Posted 01/11/2023 at 19:11:04
Makes me a little nervous to see Calvert-Lewin used this heavily... though to be fair, Dyche does seem to know what he's doing in regards to his fitness.

On the other hand, Beto really needs to get some minutes under his belt.

Will Mabon
4 Posted 01/11/2023 at 19:13:54
Tarkowski, not Keane.
Rob Hooton
5 Posted 01/11/2023 at 19:19:36
I'm assuming Tarkowski is starting as the article states only two changes?

If so, then I'm happy with that starting team, though I'd prefer Patterson over Young.

Danjuma deserves a chance in this position, I think he'll be dangerous.

Players only get proper match fit and sharp by playing competitive matches so I'm happy with the starting 11 – fingers crossed we come through unscathed and through to the next round. Hopefully, Dyche can start resting players at half time due to an unassailable lead!!

COYB, 3-0 would be lovely for me.

Colin Glassar
6 Posted 01/11/2023 at 19:25:14
Bill G,

I think Calvert-Lewin still needs minutes to get 100% match sharp.

Denis Richardson
7 Posted 01/11/2023 at 19:35:31
Quite a strong line up so hopefully can get through. I would like to see Beto get a proper runout in the second half as (1)
I'm still nervous Calvert-Lewin will get injured again; and (2) he needs minutes to get sharp and used to the league. Playing Premier League level tonight albeit with some changes.

A win, clean sheet, couple of subs around the hour mark (one Calvert-Lewin for Beto) and no injuries. Is that too much to ask at home to Burnley?

Also need to protect Garner, he's probably our 3rd most important player behind DCL and Pickford.

Bill Gienapp
8 Posted 01/11/2023 at 19:40:03
Colin, you're probably right. You can certainly criticize Dyche for a lot of things, but his handling of Calvert-Lewin isn't one of them.
Christy Ring
9 Posted 01/11/2023 at 19:48:16
I would have started Beto and give Calvert-Lewin a break, but plenty want to play a full team in the cup, and I can understand that.

I'm disappointed he started Young, because after Patterson played against West Ham, with Ashley suspended, he now brings him back, it won't give him much confidence?

Peter Moore
10 Posted 01/11/2023 at 19:50:31
COYB! I believe Burnley, despite their poor start in the league, are no pushover.

I also believe though, that this team will prevail in some style. Start fast and blow them away, please, Blues! 💙

It will be great to get a cushion in the game ASAP and get Beto and others on to finish the job. Easier to type than achieve.

May the lads earn the fruits of their labour. UTFT.

Si Cooper
11 Posted 01/11/2023 at 19:51:41
Surprised Beto hasn't been given the start for tonight. Hopefully he's not sulking.

Overall this competition is small potatoes but in terms of momentum / confidence it's got to be a win.


Alex Gray
12 Posted 01/11/2023 at 20:34:15
Not been a classic has it? Still 1-0 up can't complain.

If we get our front press right like Bournemouth, we can put this out of sight. Just need to up the energy levels a bit.

George Cumiskey
13 Posted 01/11/2023 at 20:41:37
Shit game… we've been very poor.
Bill Gienapp
14 Posted 01/11/2023 at 21:42:28
If we're not careful, winning might just become a habit around here.
Jack Convery
15 Posted 01/11/2023 at 21:44:19
Fourth Round Winners:

West Ham United
Newcastle United
Port Vale

Chris Gould
16 Posted 01/11/2023 at 22:05:54
5 wins in 7. Real shame about the ridiculous Luton result and the twat ref in the derby.

Dyche is doing a great job.

Roger Bingham
17 Posted 01/11/2023 at 22:10:01
Wins are coming because we are playing better, I am sure at least three occasions we had four passes to our own players.
Brendan McLaughlin
18 Posted 01/11/2023 at 22:14:18
Burnley, even at Goodison, would have been viewed as a potential banana skin in previous seasons.

Well done, Sean and the boys.

Ben King
19 Posted 01/11/2023 at 22:19:10
Brilliant win and another clean sheet!!!

Second home win of the season! Hopefully another on Saturday.


Rob Hooton
20 Posted 01/11/2023 at 22:25:00
Another very good win, it never really looked in doubt. We look resolute in defence and dangerous when we attack, a good combo generally!

We could have scored more, but I'm happy with the result. There are some good partnerships appearing on the pitch, Garner and Onana seem to be building something and they complement each other nicely – they both work hard and are dogged, can transition play, and seem willing to cover for each other. As a midfield two, they have plenty of potential.

Keenly awaiting the draw…

Paul Birmingham
21 Posted 01/11/2023 at 22:32:23
A very composed team effort, and comfortable win.

Pleased to see Beto get an assist and overall Everton very worthy winners with a clean sheet.

Now for some luck in the draw.


Tony Everan
23 Posted 01/11/2023 at 22:39:07
We weren't – and didn't have to be – at our best to win comfortably. I thought Calvert-Lewin did well tonight: he brings so much to the team as well as goals, won a lot of headers and flick-ons, won the corner for Onana's goal.

Mykolenko had another very solid game. I'm enjoying watching him play lately, he's stepped it up this season. Branthwaite gave another assured performance. Tarkowski was a rock as ever with a great header for the goal. I thought McNeil got better as the game went on, hopefully playing himself into his top form.

Much bigger test against Brighton but we can go into the game with confidence.

Denis Richardson
24 Posted 01/11/2023 at 22:47:14
Great result, let's see if Lady Luck is on our side for the draw.

Please not an away tie at Barcodes, Chelsea or Them. I will take anything else.

Robert Williams
25 Posted 01/11/2023 at 22:52:07
What time's the draw?
Mark Ryan
26 Posted 01/11/2023 at 22:53:58
Everton v Port Vale please
James Fletcher
27 Posted 01/11/2023 at 23:04:49
Everton vs Fulham

I'll take that!

Jack Convery
28 Posted 01/11/2023 at 23:05:14
Everton v Fulham - home draw.

We have to do the business.

Derek Thomas
29 Posted 01/11/2023 at 23:05:44
Anybody at home please
Mark Ryan
30 Posted 01/11/2023 at 23:05:47
At least its a home draw, UTFT's
Jon Bentley
31 Posted 01/11/2023 at 23:06:19
Wait for RS at home to Port Vale
Simon Dalzell
32 Posted 01/11/2023 at 23:07:04
That'll do. Home to Fulham
Jon Bentley
33 Posted 01/11/2023 at 23:07:22
Well, West Ham at home. Same thing 😄
Tony Everan
34 Posted 01/11/2023 at 23:07:45
Beat Fulham, then Port Vale or Middlesbrough in the semi, 🏆
Jack Convery
35 Posted 01/11/2023 at 23:08:39
Everton v Fulham
Liverpool v West Ham Utd
Chelsea v Newcastle Utd
Port Vale v Middlesborough.

So one of the semi-finalists will be either Port Vale or 'Boro.

COYBs – we can do this.

Frank Wolfe
36 Posted 01/11/2023 at 23:08:44
Happy with that.

We owe Fulham one. Extra motivation.

Paul Birmingham
37 Posted 01/11/2023 at 23:09:41
Take that: quarter-final v Fulham, at home.


Jack Convery
38 Posted 01/11/2023 at 23:11:26
When are the quarterfinals played?
Peter Warren
39 Posted 01/11/2023 at 23:13:08
Great result and draw.
Jack Convery
40 Posted 01/11/2023 at 23:14:58
Congrats to Dyche and the boys for getting us into this position. COYBs.
Tony Everan
41 Posted 01/11/2023 at 23:15:29
Jack, Tuesday or Wednesday, 19 or 20 December
Barry Hesketh
42 Posted 01/11/2023 at 23:15:41
It's a good night for 777 Partners! – Alan Myers says, via his x feed. The reason, is that Everton, Hertha and Sevilla all won by three goals to nil, whilst Genoa won two-one and Standard Liege won five-nil.

I hope the 777 Partners had a few million on a roll-up bet and give the winnings to Everton. :)

Barry Rathbone
43 Posted 01/11/2023 at 23:16:23
Got the RS in the semis or final written all over this.

Fucken' hate them.

Colin Glassar
44 Posted 01/11/2023 at 23:18:17
Energetic to say the least. That was like Whacky Races. If we had had a bit more composure in front of goal, that could've been 10-0 (messrs McNeil and Harrison).

Danjuma looks like a glorified Iwobi. And Beto? Oh, Beto….. can we send him back to Udinese?

Great result but some of the passing and decision-making was dire.

Barry Hesketh
45 Posted 01/11/2023 at 23:18:56
Barry @43,

I was hoping they would trip up on the south coast but it wasn't to be, however, we won't meet them in the Semis even if we make it to that stage.

The other lot if they advance, are nailed on to get the winners of Port Vale vs Middlesbrough, it's what they do!

Derek Thomas
46 Posted 01/11/2023 at 23:21:16
Fulham at home in the next round.
Kieran Kinsella
47 Posted 01/11/2023 at 23:23:45

A mate from Italy told me he's horribly inconsistent – sometimes brilliant, sometimes dismal – but no-one is sure if the good or the bad days are the fluke.

Si Pulford
48 Posted 01/11/2023 at 23:34:04

Beto was on the pitch for about 15 minutes and got an assist out of nothing.

You're right though, send him back, he's useless. With friends like that, who needs enemies?

Dave Abrahams
49 Posted 01/11/2023 at 23:35:40
Good result but we're did you get that headline Lyndon, Energetic Contest, I said to a lady behind me at half time ‘If it stays like this in the second half wake me up when it's over'. And it didn't get much better, you could hear a pin drop at times.

At least we got through, another stormer from Branthwaite, Tarkowski was good alongside him. Dominic deserved a goal for his performance but I was glad when the game was over, Burnley with a much changed team were very poor and didn't offer much resistance.

We can go further with a home win against Fulham and see how we fare in the two-legged semi-final against Liverpool?

Ed Prytherch
50 Posted 01/11/2023 at 23:42:47
Moshiri in attendance two games in a row!
Peter Moore
51 Posted 01/11/2023 at 23:58:16
Cracking draw. No pushover, but, bring it on.
Gavin Johnson
52 Posted 01/11/2023 at 23:58:18
Shame we didn't draw Vale or Boro, but Fulham has to be the next best draw.

We owe them one like we owed Villa, so it might be a good omen getting them.

David Hallwood
53 Posted 02/11/2023 at 00:10:53
I see we're last on the highlight show, so ITV taken its cue from MotD…
Bill Gienapp
54 Posted 02/11/2023 at 00:28:52
Colin (44),

Aww, we all know you miss having Iwobi around!

Stuart Sharp
55 Posted 02/11/2023 at 00:34:19
Bit harsh on Beto that, Colin, no? His first touch looks a bit dodgy, but there are positives too. He bullies defenders. The build-up to the third goal was great.

If Calvert-Lewin gets crocked again, I'll be less worried than in the Rondon - Maupay era. Not saying much, admittedly, but I'll be keeping an open mind on him.

Ernie Baywood
56 Posted 02/11/2023 at 01:29:29
First game in a long, long time I haven't watched due to clashing with work. I'll make the effort to watch it tonight.

On Beto, I think we need to be patient. He looks awkward but we have to give him and Chermiti minutes every chance we get. We've criticised the club for having no Plan B after Dom. They need to give them chances so they are at whatever their best is when Dom needs to miss. Also gives Dom some rest.

Pleased that Dyche gave Danjuma a run. It's the right decision regardless of how he played. We need to know if there's a viable alternative to Doucoure -– and Doucoure offers little in these kind of games anyway. Danjuma seems to make constant poor decisions but they won't improve without involvement. Who are the other options?

We can only pray that Young returning was a rest for Patterson. I don't care how Young played tonight, he's not any kind of answer.

Derek Knox
57 Posted 02/11/2023 at 01:44:10
Pleased with both the result, and the Draw for the next round. It wasn't the best game to watch, with some, or should I say many wasted chances and poor passing too; however, we never looked threatened either.

Expected more from both Dwight McNeil and Jack Harrison, who both had almost gilt-edge chances to increase the score tally but wayward shooting only succeeded in knocking the pie out of a supporter's hand in Row Z.

Fulham, if they play like they did at Goodison, shouldn't present too many problems, but again the watchwords are take our chances, and minimise theirs.

Lloyd Brodrick
58 Posted 02/11/2023 at 02:01:37
What a pain it was to get to The Old Lady tonight. We ended up doing a complete stadium tour of our old ground. 12 minutes in and there were still fans queuing, we literally sat down and then we're up on our feet for the first goal, “perfect timing” came from the guy behind me.

I felt for Danjuma, he just couldn't get into the game but he was close at times and perhaps needed to run a little harder. I agree Tarkowski was solid but I thought Mykolenko and Branthwaite were excellent. Perhaps Mykolenko's form recently is down to the trust and cover provided by Branthwaite?

Beto frustrates but there's determination there in that goal he created. Rather laboured but he's powerful and a handful so hoping he sharpens up. Great night and we will be back for the Fulham game and perhaps a little later.

Don Alexander
60 Posted 02/11/2023 at 02:11:30
The reason Moshiri turned up was likely that he knew enough astute Toffees, whilst long recognising he's a football buffoon, also recognise he's lost hundreds of £millions by stupidly relying on greedy parasites in the boardroom from the moment he bought in.

Moshiri is a muppet.

Others deserve a way darker description.

Derek Knox
61 Posted 02/11/2023 at 02:30:17
Don @ 60,

I thought or surmised that Moshiri put in a very rare appearance both tonight and on Sunday at West Ham, because of the tributes to the departed Kenwright. Maybe wrong, but it does seem coincidental!

I am almost sure, if memory serves, that the commentator on Sunday mentioned something to the effect that all Directors (and including Moshiri) have been staying away from Goodison because of threats from fans. Another load of tosh that is bandied about by the media to put us all in a bad light!

Jay Harris
62 Posted 02/11/2023 at 02:55:38
I don't give a hoot about Moshiri, whether he is there or not – he is no longer relevant.

I was a bit concerned first half when we did the usual and sat back on a 1-goal lead but thankfully Dyche got into them at half-time and we dominated the second half.

Great leading the line and showing pace and determination by Dom; it's a pity Danjuma didn't read the script for the support position. Also thought Harrison and McNeil were hit and miss but at least we are starting to win games now.

Brighton will be a more difficult proposition and we will have to be better than tonight.

Kieran Kinsella
63 Posted 02/11/2023 at 03:24:14
Derek & Don,

We've had a respectful pause for Kenwright but the time for mourning is over. We've lost great Evertonians on this site like John Boon, Harold Mathews, and Dick Fearon to name a few. But the cycle of life continues. We salute them and we accept we have to move forward. C'est la vie.

I hope the club don't get so caught up in mourning another fan that we let his shadow linger over our season. Howard Kendall dying was a shocker and he far and above anyone else in my lifetime was truly “The Greatest Evertonian” as a player, manager and fan.

Trying to apply that title to anyone who never even played the game is ludicrous but, as he would probably have wanted we acknowledged it, we mourned, we moved on. If we can move on post-Howard, then there's no reason to keep evoking the memory of a former Chairman.

Steve Brown
64 Posted 02/11/2023 at 04:45:37
Okayish performance but things are on a steady trajectory – 5 wins from 7 and another clean sheet. Brighton will tell us where we are really at as they are a good side.

Beto needs patience but showed with the third goal how he can be effective as he grows his confidence – the guy is an absolute unit when deployed in the right way.

If we can add to the squad in January and the summer (full-backs, centre-half, advanced midfielder), keep Calvert-Lewin fit and finish the clear out of high earning under-achievers, then things will begin to look more stable as we move towards the new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock.

As for the points deduction threat, beat Brighton, Palace and Man Utd and we can tell them to stick their 12 points where the sun doesn't shine.

Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
65 Posted 02/11/2023 at 06:25:52
Don, give it a rest. Koeman, Silva, Benitez were Moshiri appointments and his alone.

You sound bitter because Kenwright was in the right place at the right time and saw his investment grow.

Paul Hewitt
66 Posted 02/11/2023 at 07:05:11
Maybe, just maybe this sleeping giant is starting to open one eye.
Robert Tressell
67 Posted 02/11/2023 at 07:09:39
Good. I want to win this cup.

Danny O’Neill
68 Posted 02/11/2023 at 07:41:44
A comfortable if somewhat unspectacular win despite the score line.

Decent draw for the next round. Stay concentrated, Blues. I don't want to get ahead of myself, but you can do it and bring home the trophy that has eluded us since its introduction. And give our young supporters the hope and belief that older generations have bored them with for decades!

Kieran, I have to disagree with you on Howard. As much as I admired him as our most successful manager, there is only one for me in terms of ex-players, coaches and mangers and that is Colin Harvey.

Now, I will caveat that by saying there are thousands of others either attend weekly or when they can or those who get up at ridiculous hours of the morning across the globe. They could equally be deserving of that accolade.

But in the context, it has to be Colin Harvey for me.

Let's go and beat Brighton.

Derek Knox
69 Posted 02/11/2023 at 07:47:20
Paul @ 66, and get caught out on the blind side?

I prefer both eyes on the ball, and on the Cup and League positions! :-)

Sam Hoare
70 Posted 02/11/2023 at 07:48:06
Good result and a good draw. Can't remember the last time we had a decent cup run?!

Nice to be able to play averagely yet still beat a Premier League team fairly comfortably.

Mark Ryan
71 Posted 02/11/2023 at 08:04:10
Bill's passing seems to have lifted the curse. At the moment, it's all going right.

Bring on Fulham and Mr Iwobi!

Ian Bennett
72 Posted 02/11/2023 at 08:15:07
Looking far more settled now injuries have cleared.

Onana and Garner are a good balance in the midfield. Calvert-Lewin still remains a top striker.

Mykolenko looks far happier alongside the excellent Branthwaite, whilst Tarkowski, Pickford, Doucoure and McNeil are good Premier League players.

That only leaves Ashley Young who fails to convince, and shoehorned Jack Harrison on the right. I like Jack, but having a player that can't go on the outside is a real problem, particularly when playing with Young.

Danjuma showed why he's on the bench, with Beto still looking clumsy and raw. He doesn't know what he's doing, which makes it harder for defenders – that is my only real observation.

It's a fragile set-up. Keep that core together and we will be fine. A couple of injuries, and it's a mix-and-match from the lost property section with soiled underpants on show. And yes, I am talking the serial car crash that is Michael Keane.

Tony Abrahams
73 Posted 02/11/2023 at 08:16:44
I think it's hard to remember that Lampard actually lost an FA Cup quarter-final at Selhurst Park not so long ago, Sam.

I thought Everton got stronger the longer the game went on, but I wouldn't be getting carried away because I personally don't think the system is quite right just yet, although we are definitely beginning to look a much physically stronger team, which is a big plus, imo.

Agree with Lloyd about Danjuma, not running physically hard enough, which is possibly why he won't start many games out wide. I personally think that it is in these wide areas that we need a bit more pace, unless the full-backs can start getting forward, like Patterson did towards the end, when he hit the pass of the match to the rusty Beto.

Danny O’Neill
74 Posted 02/11/2023 at 08:20:22
Robert @67, if we do, it will shut me up and lay one of my Everton demons to rest!!

I still maintain we were an Alan Hansen handball away from lifting it in 1984. And then being at Stamford Bridge to watch James McFadden in front of my very own eyes try to score when he could have done an easy square pass for a tap in. Then Lescott getting outjumped by Wright-Phillips (yes that giant of a footballer) at the back post at the end. I could go back as far as Grimbsy. This competition has haunted me over the years.

But maybe, just maybe, we have a chance?

Win this and I can move on to our 6th FA Cup and to come later, our 10th League title.

I do like even numbers.

Christopher Timmins
75 Posted 02/11/2023 at 09:25:59

Given the draw, we have a reasonable chance of making the semi-final but I do recall that Fulham turned us over on their last two visits.

Anyway, the quarter-finals are weeks away and a lot can change form-wise between now and then.

Brighton next, we did well at their place and they did well at ours last season. A good test of the level of our progression and hopefully we can take something from the game.

Martin Farrington
76 Posted 02/11/2023 at 09:26:57
I had a great night last night. Listening to the match on EFC and following the chat on the Live Forum here.

Where the convo included great bands seen way back in the day. All because Jimmy Jimmy (G) got felled by the ball.

Thanks everyone and that includes Mr Dyche's Inglorious Bstds 😁


Jimmy Carr
77 Posted 02/11/2023 at 09:29:15
Not really expecting us to win this thing but I'd love to be proved wrong. Decent selection by Dyche last night, he would obviously like to go all the way.

We seem to be making a habit of winning football matches and that's two clean sheets in a row. What the hell is going on?

Martin Farrington
78 Posted 02/11/2023 at 09:32:53
Mark @ 71,

That's because he is no longer rattling chicken bones and chanting incantations (formulated in the Boys Pen) from some deep cellar underneath Goodison on match days.

Was that too soon? 😬

Brian Harrison
79 Posted 02/11/2023 at 09:38:04
A fitting tribute to Bill Kenwright to see his partner and daughter along with the best centre-forward I have ever seen in a blue shirt, lay wreaths on the centre circle.

As for the game, we started brightly and scored early which always helps, but I felt after the goal we went into "don't concede" mode, which sadly for me we do too much of.

Obviously Dyche must have rousted them at half-time and they came out more aggressive and positive in their approach. I thought Onana was neat and tidy in all he did and Garner put in a shift.

I thought the back 4 individually and collectively were very good, Branthwaite continues to impress; I also think again Mykolenko put in another solid performance.

I thought our forwards weren't at their best, Harrison works very hard but he lacks quality in the final third. Danjuma was a huge disappointment, you would have expected at the very least he would have put a shift in but for me I am puzzled to see what he gives us.

Apart from the exquisite ball from McNeil for our first goal, I was disappointed in him in general. You can see Calvert-Lewin getting fitter and sharper with every game.

Doucoure made a big difference when he came on and you can see and feel how much the fans have a great affection for Beto who created the 3rd for Young. Funny that Calvert-Lewin doesn't seem to resonate with fans like Beto has done, don't know why that is.

I think Kompany needs to give these young players a break. Making them play out from the back may be okay for defenders who were in the Championship last season now and again is fine, but they got into trouble time and time again with this tactic.

Similarly, when they attacked, they were trying to create the perfect goal like Man City often did, but I feel that by trying to make these kids try and play like City is footballing suicide.

So a good win, pleased with drawing Fulham at home and onto a far more difficult task on Saturday against Brighton.

Brian Williams
80 Posted 02/11/2023 at 09:40:19
What was most pleasing to me last night was the fitness and the workrate of the team.

The amount of times we had players eager and able to win back the ball or prevent an attack, right up to the final minutes, was great to see. It seems the players are really buying into Dyche's "Minimum requirement is maximum effort" mantra.

I think Dyche deserves a lot of credit for our improvement and those who accuse him of just playing "hoofball" are well wide of the mark.

Sam Hoare
81 Posted 02/11/2023 at 09:45:30
Tony@73, oh yeah, the 4-0 flop! Totally forgot about that!

If we do beat Fulham then it will be our first semi since Martinez in 2015-16 right?

Peter Mills
82 Posted 02/11/2023 at 09:47:01
Branthwaite made a tackle late in the game, sliding in with his right foot to prevent a Burnley forward going through one-on-one with Pickford.

It was a joy to watch, worth attending the match in itself.

Robert Tressell
83 Posted 02/11/2023 at 09:53:19
I'd give Harrison, Beto and Danjuma a bit more time to impress. They all have good qualities but are either acclimatising to a new league or coming back from injury etc.

McNeil hasn't yet got properly back in his stride either – and will give more when he does.

Tony Everan
84 Posted 02/11/2023 at 10:01:15
Enjoyed that tackle Peter, he didn't look the favourite to win it either, but it was timed and strong.

I love the fact with Branthwaite that he brings a calmness and balance to the defence and it radiates out to team, he knows what he is doing on the ball.

At the same time on the odd occasion, he is not precious enough to know when he has to to give it the Row Z treatment when necessary. Will be a bigger test on Saturday, but bring it on.

Dave Abrahams
85 Posted 02/11/2023 at 10:04:01
Robert (83),

McNeil is doing plenty now to please me, a proper team player up and down the field constantly looking for support from others throughout the game, I wish we had a few more players like him.

Eric Haworth
86 Posted 02/11/2023 at 10:25:21
Tony #84,

Intrigued to see him go head to head against another prodigious talent this Saturday, in Brighton's Ferguson. This is worth the admission on its own, just to witness this contest between two young players performing at the very highest level way beyond their years.👍

Robert Tressell
87 Posted 02/11/2023 at 10:38:48
Yes, me too, Dave #85.

McNeil is a cracking player – beautifully flighted cross for Tarkowski that James Rodriguez would have been proud of. Plus all the hard work for the team.

I just meant he's still finding his fitness after injury and is still not yet at his best.

David Hallwood
88 Posted 02/11/2023 at 10:39:34
We're starting to experience that weird, almost out-of-body sensation called a regulation win; and they're coming thick and fast. None of the chew your fingernails to the knuckle, but almost bored by the 70th minute, and long may it continue.

We've now got a great spine to the team, from Pickford to Calvert-Lewin, however out wide, as your school report used to state, needs more work.

I'm baffled by Dyche's preference of Young over Patterson as we are screaming out for overlapping options to give Dom, who don't forget Pep called the greatest header of the ball in Europe, more chances.

Mykolenko who's playing at the top of his game but sadly his game isn't in the attacking end of the pitch, so what we need is for Patterson and Harrison to form a Steven/Stevens (yes I know both players aren't at that level) to give us threat on the flanks.

But at the moment I'm enjoying looking forward to the next game instead of dreading it. Weird experience indeed.

James Alder
89 Posted 02/11/2023 at 10:40:04
I think we are slowly getting our beloved football club back! 💙
Colin Glassar
90 Posted 02/11/2023 at 10:47:07
As someone has previously stated, the spine of the team (Pickford, Tarkowski, Branthwaite, Garner, Onana and Calvert-Lewin) is becoming increasingly solid.

Mykolenko and Patterson are improving with each game. It's up to the others, ie, McNeil, Gueye, Harrison, Doucoure, Danjuma etc… to up their games and make the competition for starting places white hot.

If we continue to improve our passing, and composure, a top 10 - 12 finish is on the cards. And, when can we start singing, Que Sera Sera….?

Tom Bowers
91 Posted 02/11/2023 at 10:59:41
Whilst trying to avoid becoming too optimistic, it appears we may be finally over the hump.

Wins against Villa, Brentford, West Ham, Burnley and Bournemouth may not mean the second coming but wins are wins and that's a good thing in anyone's book.

Apart from that awful game against Luton and that iffy reverse against the RS with 10 men, things have been good.

Confidence seems to be on the up and that had been missing for quite some time.

Let's all hope they continue the good form against Brighton.

John Williams
92 Posted 02/11/2023 at 11:03:59
Good teams often have the goals spread amongst the side, so that's a pleasing improvement with the Blues. Long may it last.

Joe Hurst
93 Posted 02/11/2023 at 11:18:32
It would be “Tell me ma, me ma” when it comes to cup games of course. In my only visit to ‘Wemberlee' because of Everton being there – the 84 FA Cup Final, it was fun to sing it at Highbury in the semi-final.

I will always remember dad saying to me in the coach on the way home (I was 10 at the time, “You lucky get, your first long journey back from a cup game and we've won! This would have been a horrible coach-ride if we'd lost. I should know, I've been on coaches when the result didn't go our way, many times!”

Chris Hockenhull
94 Posted 02/11/2023 at 11:24:18
“Gordon Leed Us To Wembley”… banner at Villa Park semi 1980.

Another heroic failure until 4 years later. Seems it was longer than that now.

Mark Ryan
95 Posted 02/11/2023 at 11:24:59
How good would a victory at Wembley be over the RS?

We are making improvements all over the Park.

I hope the FFP result goes in our favour. That would be a massive millstone removed from our necks which we can hopefully resign to the bottom of the Mersey and move forwards and upwards.

Robert Tressell
96 Posted 02/11/2023 at 11:28:12
I too want to see Patterson as our regular right-back now.

But I wonder if the use of Young is because Patterson has had a very difficult time of it with injuries over an extended period.

Maybe it's just a precaution until Patterson's body is up to it. Not unlike how Calvert-Lewin has been handled.

Whatever the case, I expect Patterson will be our regular right-back once we get to the later stages of the season.

Rob Dolby
97 Posted 02/11/2023 at 11:35:55
The one thing Dyche has brought to the club over the previous couple of managers is organisation and workrate.

Again I struggled picking a motm as it was a good solid team performance.

We aren't spectacular, we are functional. A threat on the counter and set pieces.

We are still wide open when we try and expand play as we do lack pace in areas.

We have some good youngsters the club needs to hold onto otherwise it will be the same old sell for the highest fee and buy from the bargain bin.

The squad is much stronger than last season.

Beto or Maupay, I know who I would rather have. Beto needs to get used to the style of the prem. Without doubt, he is a handful for the opposition if used correctly and a handy deputy for Calvert-Lewin.

Brent Stephens
98 Posted 02/11/2023 at 11:46:54
Robert #96,

Do you think Dyche might just be checking out Patterson's ability to play in a more forward position? Either as a contingency or as part of his development or both??

Andrew Ellams
99 Posted 02/11/2023 at 11:47:45
Rob, spot on. The team is probably the most balanced it's been since some time before even Moyes left.

We may have had better quality individual players in some position in the meantime but not the balanced setup on the pitch.

Colin Glassar
100 Posted 02/11/2023 at 11:47:59
Joe 93, I didn’t want to jinx it. It’s been too long since I last sang it.

Brent are you suggesting a TAA type change?

Christopher Timmins
101 Posted 02/11/2023 at 11:52:01

It will be interesting to see who takes the right-back spot on Saturday. Mitoma is one of the more dangerous left-sided players in the Premier League.

Si Pulford
102 Posted 02/11/2023 at 11:56:48
Yes, it does all seem to be clicking. There will be upsets along the way. Brighton is a massive test and they will have the advantage of no mid-week game so will be fresh.

It's up to us as the home team to nullify that advantage by keeping the ball better and making them run. Essentially we've got to ‘do a Brighton' on Brighton.

Could go either way but last season at home was an embarrassment.

I'd keep the eleven from today but with Danjuma dropped for the far more influential Doucouré.

I'm actually looking forward to it. But was looking forward to Luton.

Brian Williams
103 Posted 02/11/2023 at 12:04:23
Isn't it strange that after a great win last night there're just over 100 posts but for the Luton defeat thread there were 374?


Will Mabon
104 Posted 02/11/2023 at 12:09:25

That's because everyone knows Dyche and the coaching staff come here for vital advice after a loss or bad performance.

This of course is not needed when things have gone well.

Brent Stephens
105 Posted 02/11/2023 at 12:11:51
Colin #100,

Wash yer mouth out, Colin! Not sure I'd want to make the comparision in ability at present (crosses for example) but Patterson does like to go forward at times.

Chris Leyland
106 Posted 02/11/2023 at 12:12:14
Andrew (99),

I think Martinez first season was the most balanced team we had. An experience keeper, a stable defence, a midfield blend of youth and experience and an attacking line that could create and score.

Dave Abrahams
107 Posted 02/11/2023 at 12:12:44
Brian (103),

Just a short post to tell you how sorry I was to hear of your mother's passing. On our short walk to Goodison from the Harlech the other week, you mentioned your mother a couple of times and the advice she gave you. It was very obvious how much you loved your mother, the more you love someone the more it hurts when they go.

See you soon, Brian, sincere sympathy to you and your family.

Brent Stephens
108 Posted 02/11/2023 at 12:13:11
Brian #103 - yes, the usual suspects go very quiet.

Will #104 puts it better.

Brian Williams
109 Posted 02/11/2023 at 12:14:17
Dave. Thanks mate I really appreciate that, I really do.
Brian Williams
110 Posted 02/11/2023 at 12:18:31
Brent and Will.

Ah, I guess my theory of ToffeeWeb being mostly populated by negative moaners must be well wrong then? :-))

Andrew Ellams
111 Posted 02/11/2023 at 12:21:38
Chris, I think Moyes, Martinez and everybody since seemed to have an issue fielding a balanced team with a balanced left and right attacking sides. Hence why we had so many years of people like Naismith and Osman being wasted trying to fill a gap out wide.

Now with McNeil and Harrison, we have a balanced line.

Ian Linn
112 Posted 02/11/2023 at 12:21:59
I was at Hearts last night, Beningame was playing in the middle of their midfield.

He was very poor; essentially all he did was stand in the middle of the pitch and pass the ball backwards when he got it. Shame he couldn't make it for us.

Derek Thomas
113 Posted 02/11/2023 at 12:22:51
Brian @ 103:

Not really; there are many of us and we have many theories on why we are defeated... some may even be correct.

A decent victory is hard and a bit churlish to argue against.

Dan Parker
114 Posted 02/11/2023 at 12:24:43
Another very professional performance. Dyche is changing the mentality on the pitch and the football is better than many a game under prior managers, Carlo included.

Big test at the weekend, keep churning those results out lads.

Paul Hewitt
115 Posted 02/11/2023 at 12:29:10
Ian @112.

Beningame had been out injured for a long while. He just needs time to get back to full fitness.

John McFarlane Snr
116 Posted 02/11/2023 at 12:31:09
Hi Brian [103],

I also offer condolences for the loss of your Mother, at times like this football is insignificant.

Brian Williams
117 Posted 02/11/2023 at 12:31:32
I guess, Derek, some of us don't come on ToffeeWeb seeking to primarily "argue against".

I think the numbers may show that there's a majority who only seek to post negatively and when there's nothing negative to post about, they don't post.

But I don't want to get into an argument after such a great night.

As an aside, Martinez was there last night, and I was told he was really upset. Seemingly Kenwright kept in constant touch with him after his stint with us and they were quite good friends.

Thanks John, much appreciated.

Will Mabon
118 Posted 02/11/2023 at 12:32:16

I guess we all have a moan now and then but sometimes it does go ballistic.

A lot stayed on the Live Forum last night while waiting for the draw (me included) and maybe that took a lot of the comments.

I hope the interest in this cup isn't waning: it's been under attack for so long as an "unimportant" competition, which is crap.

ps: Sorry about your mum. I can't believe the loss on TW this last week.

Andrew Ellams
119 Posted 02/11/2023 at 12:34:51
I think sites like ToffeeWeb and all of its equivalents across other clubs become a venting place for frustrated supporters who as we all know are all prone to knee-jerks after a bad day at the office. Especially when they've had the couple of years that we've had.
Sam Hoare
120 Posted 02/11/2023 at 12:37:20

It's a pretty established trait of the internet that negative events or stories get more attention and engagement than positive ones. It's something the likes of Twitter, Facebook etc realised long ago and why many of their products are so toxic.

What it says about human nature, I'm not sure… but suffice to say that people love to argue and moan. At least on here!

Ed Prytherch
121 Posted 02/11/2023 at 12:42:59
There was less time to post after watching the game and having a couple of bevies.
Brian Williams
122 Posted 02/11/2023 at 12:43:24
Thanks Will.

Yep Sam you've hit the nail on the head and it's something I wish was different.

I'm not advocating ridiculous over the top positivity but the opposite is so draining and soul destroying.

But heyho, more results like last night and I'll gladly settle for shorter, less populated threads.


I'm off out to mock the rs neighbours!

Steve Brown
124 Posted 02/11/2023 at 12:55:58
Dyche prefers Young because Patterson's defensive positional play is poor. He is also not aware of runners in the channel between him and the centre-back.

He does like to get forward but his quality when he gets there needs work. Hopefully, he will improve over time as Mykolenko is begining to demonstrate.

Stephen Vincent
125 Posted 02/11/2023 at 13:11:40
Sat in the Crown nursing a pint and watching the very end of Man Utd getting another hiding at home. I got to thinking that, although we won comfortably in the end, we didn't dominate against Burnley reserves at home.

They had far more of the ball than us, more corners and to my way of thinking passed the ball better. Against a better team who can use the possession more effectively, we will be in trouble.

Maybe Dyche plans for each opponent accordingly? But let's be honest we should have battered them.

Barry Hesketh
126 Posted 02/11/2023 at 13:18:38
Everton's last win at Goodison at the quarter-final stage of the League Cup was against Manchester City way back in the 1987-88 season. The club has only played two quarter-finals at home since then, losing to Leicester City and Manchester United. The last time we progressed to the Semis was when we beat Boro away with Lukaku and Deulofeu as the scorers.

It's time to change that 'story' and hopefully a good sized crowd and a great atmosphere will help, although as it's scheduled for Christmas week, will that prove to be the case?

We have plenty of games between now and the encounter with Fulham, but at least it's something to look forward to.

Below is a list of previous Quarter-final ties, as seen on ToffeeWeb.

QF Shrewsbury Town (a) 1-2 Young
QF Manchester United (a) 3-0 Dobson, King 2
QF Leeds United (a) 1-4 Thomas
QF Oxford United (a) 1-1 Heath
R Oxford United (h) 4-1 Richardson, Sheedy, Heath, Sharp
QF Liverpool (h) 0-1
QF Manchester City (h) 2-0 Heath, Sharp
QF West Ham Utd (a) 2-1 Osman, Yakubu
QF Middlesbrough (a) 2-0 Deulofeu, Lukaku
QF Leicester City (h) 2-2 Davies, Baines 2-4 on pens
QF Manchester United (h) 0-2

League Cup Record

Ray Jacques
127 Posted 02/11/2023 at 13:38:28
Ha ha Barry, did something happen in the first Oxford game??????
Jamie Crowley
128 Posted 02/11/2023 at 13:50:06
Derek -

I was just thinking the same thing. Where's the news on the penalty we supposedly face? Went a bit quiet, which tells me that Telegraph article was a bit sensationalistic? Surely if it was assured Everton would get a 12 point deduction and that was actually leaked, the judgement would come very shortly thereafter?

If there was a leak, and you wait a week or two to announce the verdict, that looks crap / circus-like in my opinion. Surely they recognize this?

I dunno.

Rennie Smith
129 Posted 02/11/2023 at 13:59:40
Blimey Stephen #125,

I bet that pint you're nursing is half-empty rather than half-full. 😉

Barry Hesketh
130 Posted 02/11/2023 at 14:05:47
Ray @127,

I'm sure something did happen in that first game at Oxford, I keep getting the name Kevin and a bad back-pass, but it was such a nothing moment, I can't be certain. :)

Joe Hurst
131 Posted 02/11/2023 at 14:06:05
Colin (100),

I wouldn't want to jinx anything.

My wife would of course reply with: “You wouldn't? You do so many times!”

Jay Harris
132 Posted 02/11/2023 at 14:17:33
I thought Young and Patterson were more effective than Harrison and Young. Could be a useful formation against Brighton?
Mal van Schaick
133 Posted 02/11/2023 at 15:13:50
Watched the game from the Upper Bullens. My assessment of the game is as follows:-

Although Burnley had the majority of possession, Everton stood firm in defence with Tarkowski and Branthwaite looking a good partnership. The full-backs did their job, but Young was a bit wasteful, and looked better when pushed into midfield late on in the game, when Patterson came on.

Pickford hardly had a save to make, but his distribution was poor. Calvert-Lewin led the front line well, but lacked support on a lot of occasions. Harrison gives us better balance across midfield and Onana was strong in the centre and won quite a few tackles and got his goal. McNeil played in fits and starts but did win a few tackles.

As Burnley pushed to get back into the game, we counter-attacked and got the rewards in the last 10 minutes of the game. Danjuma was anonymous and needs to up his game if he wants to stay, or else get rid. Beto was happy with his assist.

Overall, Dyche has the team well drilled, playing in banks of four across the back and midfield and he just needs to work on a bit more creativity.

Onana and Doucoure interacted with the fans at the end, giving shorts away which was a nice touch.

Derek Knox
134 Posted 02/11/2023 at 15:40:14
Mal @135,

How many times have we seen teams, either home or away, have minimal possession yet still walk off as victors at the final whistle?

Maybe that is part of Dyche's plan, let the opposition tire themselves out, run down blind alleys, then hit them on the break. I wouldn't advocate it myself, but if it works, long may it yield results for us!

It happened early this season at Goodison Park: Fulham, Wolves and Luton! Let's hope there are no repeats !

Will Mabon
135 Posted 02/11/2023 at 17:05:07

I also watched the game from the Upper Bullens but via a TV camera :-)

Burnley passed and kept the ball well and had some tidy passages of play but in truth, much of it was barely past the halfway line; almost irrelevant.

I can see what Kompany is trying to instill but I thought there was too much dallying for the sake of it from the back: was waiting for a bad mistake/turnover that nearly came more than once. Still, it ended around 2-to-1 in possession, I think.

Funny, but in the second half I remarked to myself how good some of Pickford's distribution was. He made some long passes off the ground to the wings like a good midfielder, right on the mark.

Jerome Shields
136 Posted 02/11/2023 at 17:24:37
Wasn't able to watch the game. Great Result.
John Raftery
137 Posted 02/11/2023 at 17:25:07
I was surprised there were only two team changes by Dyche. It was however another very solid team performance. I guess the manager is keen to build understanding and cohesiveness on the pitch as well as maintain a positive run of form.

Two key players in making us compact are McNeil and Harrison. Although they lack pace they both use the ball sensibly and work like trojans off the ball.

I just hope the players can produce the same level of energy and teamwork on Saturday having failed to do so against Luton three days after our win in the previous round.

Fulham have won on their last three visits to Goodison. It's time to end that sequence.

Mark Taylor
138 Posted 02/11/2023 at 17:28:34
Brian @103,

Just in case I am perceived as one of those moaners – and I do moan when we are rubbish which has been often in recent years – here's a post to add to the numbers.

Actually I felt less able to post because I didn't actually see the game apart from the miserly highlights on ITV late at night which give little insight. Shame really given it's rarer than hen's teeth that we win 3-0. How many hours have I spent without seeing us lose or fail to score? Now I can't even be excited about seeing us win because I don't know who deserves the praise.

But I guess you can't usually win so easily unless most if not all did well, so good stuff.

Barry Hesketh
139 Posted 02/11/2023 at 17:33:06
John @139,

It would seem that Sean Dyche wants most of his first-team players involved, whatever the competition, whomever the opponent. However, many would argue that given such a relatively small squad, that might not be the best way for this current squad, long-term.

As an Everton supporter, I prefer to see mostly first team players out on the pitch, in every match, as I believe, players, missing matches, unless due to injury or suspension, isn't the way to build the team or the team spirit required, if you want to compete properly.

"The challenge you've got is, if you want to be successful, you've got to play a lot of football. I want the players to know that they can play three games in a week, they can have that mentality to play these games and take them on. The care and support systems we have in place nowadays are better than ever. I want the mentality to be, 'I want to play every game.'" Sean Dyche – 1 November 2023

Anthony Dove
140 Posted 02/11/2023 at 17:33:39

Another confidence booster although it wasn't the best of
games and the crowd was quiet for an evening game. Possibly because a lot didn't get in until after kickoff.

I remember terrible traffic on the M6 for the semi-final against City in 1969 and not getting in the ground until
after half-time.

Generally good performances from the players but as I have
posted before I don't think any of the new signings are going
to set the world alight. Harrison certainly won't if he is kept on the right.

Mike Gaynes
142 Posted 02/11/2023 at 17:48:40
Will #137,

I've commented on that several times over the past year. Pickford has massively improved that part of his game, which was once a weakness.

He'll never be Ederson on the ball, but his long-range passing has become really good.

Jason Li
143 Posted 02/11/2023 at 18:18:05
Looking like a good Premier League team now. Glad Dyche played most of his best team, helps the team get used to each other and gel.

As the younger players mature and work out what works for them, the team should perform even better by next spring.

Let's hope Thelwell continues this momentum and brings in more like Garner, Calvert-Lewin, Branthwaite and Chermiti. Need more young players with very high ceilings just needing Premier League experience to come in, polish a bit, and improve with experience.

Will Mabon
144 Posted 02/11/2023 at 18:55:48
You know, Mike,

he's even stopped throwing the ball as much, even when in his range, and he throws pretty well. Guess that supports the improvement.

The unease with crosses is the only real weakness. I think he'll keep improving yet, still relatively young, jitters are under control.

Denis Richardson
145 Posted 02/11/2023 at 19:11:02
Everton v Liverpool final?

When was the last Merseyside cup final… 1989?

Would be great for the city and fantastic when Tarkowski lifts the trophy!

Barry Rathbone
146 Posted 02/11/2023 at 19:54:19
Denis @147,

I can think of no greater nightmare than a Merseyside cup final. Precedence makes the event a mental torture guarantee.

Graham Mockford
147 Posted 02/11/2023 at 19:54:54
Seems to me that Dyche has started to impose his philosophy on this side. We are physical, hard working and pretty resilient.
That’s probably enough this year to ensure we don’t repeat the last two years.
But I have two big issues. Should DCL get injured I don’t see a plan B, sure Beto is an upgrade on his predecessors Maupay, Rondon and Tosun but I’m yet to be convinced he’s good enough.
Secondly we lack creativity in both central and wide areas. Garner, Onana, McNeil, Doucoure and Harrison all possess certain qualities but that bit of special creative magic is not one of them.
Even under a pragmatic manager like Moyes he had players like Baines, Pienaar and Arteta.
Martinez had Barkley, Mirallas, Naismith and Defoleu.
Ancelotti had James, Sigurddson and Richarlison

I’m not unhappy I’m glad we appear to have a more competitive side but that is only going to take us so far.

Graham Mockford
148 Posted 02/11/2023 at 20:07:28
Mike #144

Pickford is a top class keeper who has improved in every year he’s been at the club. There is a reason he’s been No.1 for England for 6 years.

His temperament has improved, his decision making has improved and his shot stopping puts him up with the very best in the world.

In hindsight £25m was a cracking piece of business.

Charles Brewer
149 Posted 02/11/2023 at 20:08:42
I thought that was a delightfully dull match. An excellent defence with some superb tackles, none of which needed to be desperate-last-ditch-red-card-if-you-don't-get-it-perfect ones.

I suspect I'm the only one who thought it, but my favourite moment was provided by Beto ramming his way down the wing and across the goal line followed by a perfect cross. It was the kind of thing that confident, successful teams do.

Dave Cashen
150 Posted 02/11/2023 at 20:14:46

"Isn't it strange that after a great win last night there're just over 100 post but for the Luton defeat there were 374"

Not really mate

The Luton loss was on a Saturday. This gave frustrated fans all Saturday night and all day Sunday to criticise and lament a weekend ruining performance. We were not due to play for another week which meant the thread dragged on and people were still postings long after they had gone back to work on Monday.

By the time most people got home last night it was bed time. We must also remember that a huge percentage of last night's crowd would have got up this morning and gone straight to work and school. I doubt this thread will get beyond 200 posts because we have another game in less than 48 hours against Brighton and attention will inevitably switch to that.

I know you are right Brian. Even in identical circumstances a defeat will always attract more post than a win, but I have a slightly different theory to you.

A match can make or break your week. A defeat leaves you miserable and frustrated and you are far more likely to come on a forum and vent.

A win changes everything. You smile for days. You can't stop thinking about the joy you felt when that winning goal went in. The desire to post on a forum is lessened when you are strutting about your daily business like a dog with two dick's.

Peter Mills
151 Posted 02/11/2023 at 20:23:15
Charles, I enjoyed that moment too, although it was the only decent thing I remember Beto doing (I’m sorry if that is damning him with faint praise, I just think he has looked very ordinary so far, even when I was delighted when we finally had a big guy up front when he made his debut at Bramall Lane).

Throughout the game last night I was thinking how much we are lacking a No.10 with some guile. It was only this evening I remembered we have one on our books, but hoping Dele can come back is very optimistic.

Mike Gaynes
152 Posted 02/11/2023 at 20:31:51
Graham #149, of all the players you mentioned from the recent past, only one had what you describe as "creative magic" -- James Rodriguez.

The others (Richarlison excepted) were certainly competent passers, and Arteta and Pienaar both had moments of inspiration, but overall nobody was going to bring you out of your seat with a dazzling defense-splitter.

I think McNeil, Onana and perhaps Garner have the ability to be just as good. McNeil's cross for Tark yesterday was elegant, and Onana's setup for Garner at Villa was one of several classy passes he has executed this season.

Graham Mockford
153 Posted 02/11/2023 at 20:38:36

You are very wrong about Arteta, Pienaar and Baines.

Great forward thinking players with ‘creative magic’. They also did it for a lot longer than James

Will Mabon
154 Posted 02/11/2023 at 20:46:07

attitude, tenure and durability can be questioned and compared - but James was on another level of ability.

Graham Mockford
155 Posted 02/11/2023 at 21:02:30

Undoubtedly the lad had real magic. You don’t be the best player in a World Cup if you don’t have that.

But his career was ultimately one of unfulfilled potential. He lacked the thing that’s required to be a really great player. Mental fortitude.

Give me an Arteta or Pienaar any day and he had more talent than either of them.

Mike Gaynes
156 Posted 02/11/2023 at 21:16:41
Graham, I'm afraid you've been blinded by Blueness. They were all fine passers, but there wasn't a genius among them.

Baines' assists came mostly on perfect crosses, not creative killer through balls. Arteta and Pienaar were competent playmakers, but that's all. Arteta averaged five assists per season for us, Pienaar four. Real creators like De Bruyne, Fabregas, Giggs, Lampard and Rooney produce 4X that many.

Our guys were very good. They weren't remotely magical.

Robert Tressell
157 Posted 02/11/2023 at 21:23:16
To kick on from mid-table we do need better players, but that will come in time just as it did for Moyes. Dyche has had one window and spent less than Luton.

I think the hope was that Gnonto would add a bit of sparkle but we were priced out of the deal.

Paul Birmingham
158 Posted 02/11/2023 at 21:29:15
I sad pre season, it’s a feeling of 1983, and a top ten finish, As long as Everton get luck with injuries.

The problems off the park, don’t seem to have impacted the squad and the play with belief and expression.

It’s been a decent couple of months, Mordor, was destined to be rigged and so it proved. We move on, and look forward.

Next game is the most important, and getting to 22 points plus, before New Year, will be massive, all aspects considered. The AFCON, will impact January, as it will most EPL clubs, but every point gained by the end of December, is massive.

What may or may not happen, regards any FFP, matters, who really knows, but the mental strength and well being and resolve of Evertonians, will help Everton, get through the tough times, that will be met during this season.

BMD, is majestic and in time will be the home ground of Everton Football Club, and is awe inspiring in the cloudy, dark mornings, and the murky and clear autumn evenings.

There’s loads to look forward to this season, despite the take over issues, and this squad and Sean Dyche, are getting their act together, and long may it last.


Graham Mockford
159 Posted 02/11/2023 at 21:44:21
Mike #156

The definition of straw man argument. I never compared them to any of those players. None of them are even close.

But all of them are streets ahead of what we currently have. You know the point I actually made.

Tony Abrahams
160 Posted 02/11/2023 at 21:53:40
Give it time Graham, I’m not even sure if Dyche has spent any money since he’s been at Everton, yet mate!

I thought one of the best passes I’ve seen for a long time, was played perfectly into Beto’s path by Patterson, last night. The kid has got loads to learn, but only players with real ability can hit those type of passes, imo, simply because I believe the better players, do things a little bit earlier?

Some might say it was a cross, but it was done that quickly and so crisply, that it definitely caught out the very raw Beto, another player who I think will also improve, given time?

Will Mabon
161 Posted 02/11/2023 at 21:58:09

I sadly concluded that James was/is one of those relatively rare professional players - a footballer that isn't hugely into football above the rewards and lifestyle once the early years have passed, injuries or not.

All the more frustrating and ironic when such ability is involved. Staggeringly good but ultimately some way wasted.

Graham Mockford
162 Posted 02/11/2023 at 22:13:16
Tony #160

I think that’s fair enough. I’m not unhappy with our progression. I’m just pointing out this current squad lacks real creativity

Robert Tressell
163 Posted 02/11/2023 at 22:27:27
Mike # 156, sadly our best First XI from the past 30 years might not even make the Top 4. We are starved indeed of true genius players in this time.
Lester Yip
164 Posted 02/11/2023 at 23:09:19
Age of some of first teamer yesterday:

Branthwaite 21
Onana 22
Garner 22
McNeil 23
Mykolenko 24
DCL 26
Harrison 26

With Dyche focus on fitness, I think the squad can compete with any other at least on work rate

Denis Richardson
165 Posted 02/11/2023 at 23:43:06
Barry 146,

Gotta get that inferiority complex out of your system. I’d take a final appearance if offered regardless of opposition.

The 80s was such a mental decade, we were in so many finals you just expected it at seasons end, year after year. Even if we lose, a proper Wembley day out (ie a final not a semi final to pay for the stadium) is the least the fans can expect for the crap endured for over a decade.

Can’t believe 2009 is the last time we made any final and for some bizarre reason we’ve never won this trophy.

No city, no Arsenal, no Spurs, no Utd. Long way to go but am hopeful we’ll get through the quarters. Then one game away…..

Derek Knox
166 Posted 02/11/2023 at 00:04:21
Lester @164, thanks for the stats on ages, knew we had some young good ones, but didn't know their exact ages. I always believe a good mixture of youth and experience should augur well for the present and future. Only problem may be hanging on to them !

You know how it is these days, a player hits form and is consistently good, next thing Agents and Cash Rich Clubs turn their heads and we end up losing them. We should be doing the opposite, keeping them, and building for the future. Hopefully good times ahead, but watchword, early days so let's not get carried away !

Si Cooper
167 Posted 02/11/2023 at 00:08:00
Would love to win this competition but the next best thing to winning it would be to lose a proper competitive final, and it doesn’t matter who against.

It would be nice to be, once again, undoubtedly better than they are but until we are we shouldn’t shy away from any relative success just because it would trigger their usual over-the-top crowing.

Mike Gaynes
168 Posted 03/11/2023 at 01:04:14
Graham, no straw man argument at all. You credited not just Pienaar and Arteta with "creative magic" but even the likes of Naismith and Richarlison (really, dude, are you kidding??).

And I'm just saying that whatever qualities those guys on your list had, magic wasn't amongst 'em. Competence passing the ball isn't genius. True magic is a rare gift, and none of 'em EVER had it. Except James.

Besides, comparisons to top players aren't really beside the point, they ARE the point. In my mind only top players should be considered contenders for the title of "magical", and only one of the guys on your list was considered to be an elite player, worthy of ranking with the Prem's best. And that was Leighton Baines.

Don Alexander
169 Posted 03/11/2023 at 01:54:01
"Magic" is a much overused word IMO. Duncan McKenzie had "magic" but was mostly very ineffectual in games for us. Rodney Marsh had it too, but was mostly very ineffectual in games for whoever - ditto James Rodriguez for us.

Courtesy of a recently departed shyster we also, ahem, were "entertained" by Messrs Gascoigne, Ginola and Eto'o who'd all had "magic" in their possession, but way way before we got to watch them playing for us.

In this century "magic" has only been delivered to us by Rooney (briefly) and, mercifully, Jordan Pickford on very necessary occasion.

Tony Abrahams
170 Posted 03/11/2023 at 07:58:51
I used to love watching Steven Pienaar, and would definitely have him in my all time list of favorite Everton players, simply because of how he constantly used to create space, by putting himself into little area’s/pockets, and making his opponent really think.

Pienaar, had no real pace, and because he was about 8 stone wringing wet, he never had any real strength either.

After he left Everton, I watched him play for Spurs, in a big European game, and although I thought he was the neatest and cleverest little player on the pitch, he simply never had the speed or strength to really influence the game at that level, so it was no surprise to see him land back at Goodison, not long after he had left us.

My point is that he had obviously been very well coached, and that’s why I would love to see someone like him heading up our academy system, once we get new owners with a plan, and the club gets a total revamp?

Barry Hesketh
171 Posted 03/11/2023 at 09:34:25
It's all a bit silly, arguing about whether it would be a good thing if Everton were to reach the League Cup Final and faced our fiercest rivals at Wembley.

I would rather not face the other lot at any stage and definitely not in the final. We'd have to share the day out, the media coverage, and all the other trappings with our not-so-nearest-and-dearest, which would undoubtedly be shared unevenly.

Then we come to the fact that our record against them is possibly the worst derby record in the last 25 years, of any club in all of the major city derbies. The outcome of the match, would likely end with another major trophy for the neighbours and we'd have to sit there and watch it live and in the flesh.

Once again, no thanks, however, if it happens, it happens and there is always an outside chance that Everton would win on the day, but the overwhelming evidence is that it would be a fruitless day-out for Evertonians and yet another day of glee for the rivals at our expense. Anyway there's the not so small matter of beating Fulham to get to the Semi-Final before we worry about any cup final at all.

Tony Abrahams
172 Posted 03/11/2023 at 10:14:23
There are no words for anyone who is scared of getting beat by Liverpool, imo, although I'm sure for a lot of Liverpudlians, who would never admit it, that would be their biggest fear.
Barry Hesketh
173 Posted 03/11/2023 at 10:30:20
Tony @ 172,

I'm sure I could guess the word, but look at the facts, we haven't beat them on home soil since what is it 2010? We've won once at their place during that period, and they've knocked us out how many times in cup matches during that time?

Like all Evertonians, I hope the club does make it to Wembley and lifts a trophy, but the chances of Everton doing that against the other lot are remote, even if our team has a good day and theirs a bad one.

It's not a case of being scared about being beaten by the other lot, after all we should be used to it and be able to handle it. However, it's the scarily pathetic record that we have against them in all competitions, for most of my time watching the Blues, that makes me wary of facing them in a final.

Danny O’Neill
174 Posted 03/11/2023 at 11:45:56
Pienaar & Baines struck up a great understanding. Partnerships all over the pitch pitch are key to the team functioning. Central defence, central midfield, the forward players.

At present, on our day, we have the foundations of a good team, if we keep them together and are able to add depth. Even when we lose it mostly tends to be small margins. Room for improvement and it's going to be a long journey, but who knows?

Don - Duncan McKenzie is magic. Some of my earliest memories. I didn't appreciate too much at the time and used to get a clip for looking at the crowd more than the match but used to sing along!

Kevin Sheedy was magic. Had to get that one in!

It was a shame about Rodriguez. A shame we didn't see more of him, but, but very few players play every match these days. I'd have taken 15 games a season from a player of that calibre. I would have loved the Goodison crowd to have witnessed him in the flesh on the pitch. Then we would have seen his abilities.

Jordan Pickford - good shout. That Anfield Derby debacle aside, and his occasional recklessness, he has literally given me breathless moments where I held my breath longer that when I used to challenge myself for how long I could swim underwater.

Tony Abrahams
175 Posted 03/11/2023 at 13:01:59
I'm hoping it will change with this manager, Barry, because the best way to beat Liverpool, is by not giving a fuck about them, imo mate.

Big Joe Royle is the only Everton manager, who has really been able to put the boot on the other foot with regards Liverpool, because he got right under their skin, and I personally believe this is one of our biggest problems whenever we play the other crowd?

Don't get me wrong, they have had a really good team for a few years now, whilst Everton, have been all over the place, but I honestly don't think it's fear that has been our biggest problem (except for the last time we lost to them at Wembley) but rather because we hate the bastards that much, and looking at things logically, then I genuinely believe that this affects almost everything?

Danny O’Neill
176 Posted 03/11/2023 at 13:22:00
Do not fear them. Never fear them.

I would love to beat them at Wembley.

Tomorrow however is about beating Brighton.

See you there. In person, spirit or soul.

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