Self-Inflicted Wounds and Near Misses haunt Everton in the FA Cup

Try Brantwaite with O’Brien and if that doesn’t work use the summer transfer market to recruit at centre back. The same goes for Young and may be Gana and Keane.

If Everton want to be in a better place and make improvements for next season at BM, then it’s time to start looking at the rebuild now, PSR aside.

The only bright spell was when Alcaraz came on, I believe we have a player there, a pity the others are so lacklustre. Lady Luck wasn't with us either, the amount of times the post was struck, in the second half !

Winning breeds confidence, - which will be at an all time low for Wednesday, doesn't even bear thinking about. Moyes can't be blamed for today's result, with so many letting the side and fans down.

Paul F, agree Harrison did make things a bit better but again played on the right ? He isn't the answer going forward either.

I don't think it is relevant or necessary. But obviously you do.

In his shoes I don't think I would have done.

As far as players making mistakes, who the hell doesn't.

I think Moyes will learn that silly and stupid mistakes will cost Everton games just as they cost Dyche some matches.

The second half was a big improvement on the first and we could have scored two or three although Bournemouth also missed chances to increase their lead with two or three clear cut chances again created by poor defending and silly mistakes.
Garner and Branthwaite had good first halves but the rest gave mostly poor performances with the nonsense of trying to play the ball out of defence, for a start the goalkeeper has got to have a football brain——ours hasn’t got a football brain and it was noticeable that Pickford played mostly long balls in the second half. The new lad looks like he will add improvement to the team but I think the wins we need will come from the poorer teams in the division although the Derby game on Wednesday needs the team to start much better and show some belief in themselves that they can win this game as they did last year.

Second half it was better, with Iroegbunam and Alcaraz looking more promising. Add that into Ndiaye and Garner, and you sone footballing ability.

Doucoure, Tarkowski, Young, and Lindstrom were poor today. We go again.

We improved after the break but the reality is we couldn't live with Bournemouth's press and energy which worries me for Wednesday night because Red Bullpool have that as their trademark.

If we play like that first half on Wednesday night it could be a cricket score.

The nagging thing still troubles me and that's the striker situation.

What the hell has Thelwell been doing since the summer window closed that he couldn't identify a reasonable option for January, knowing full well that we have the ongoing DCL situation and Chermiti and Broja that were two long term absentee players evening in the autumn.

We are left with Beto who for most of that last 30 minutes was blowing out of his arse knackered.

But there are signs of a team slowly coming together. Charly instead of Doucoure, and Mykolenko instead of Young, and we would do alright.

There must have been a plan first half for Pickford to keep giving it to Tarkowski, but it clearly wasn't working and we paid the price.

As for Lindstrom/Harrison, well one of them runs towards goal and is going to improve, the other one hits it into the middle and hopes for the best. The choice probably depends on the set-up of the team, but I like the look of Lindstrom (one of our rare players who looks comfortable with the ball).

As for EFC, this was another Home Cup tie, with the Moyesiah in charge and just like the Wigan game, the Captain was the worst player on the pitch.

Come half time I thought Moyes would have made a double switch, Harrison replacing Young and either Iroegbunam or Alcaraz for Doucoure and pushing Ndiaye down the middle to support Beto.

When the subs finally came on I thought we pressed better and created chances and on another Day we get lucky with the three that hit the woodwork.

I just thought we looked disjointed in the first half, struggled to Mount any attacks, again good pressing by Bournemouth.

Hopefully Moyes will have learned from that first half and player selections.

Come Weds, I think I would put Doucoure on the bench, and go with Guaye, Garner and Alcaraz in midfield.

If Mykolenko has recovered from his knock then revert to him and Lindstrom as the wingbacks, Young just does not offer as much going down the wing, normally saves his best for the Derby Mykolenko.

Given the players available, was probably the strongest 11 we could go with, until both Iroegbunam and Alcaraz can get up to speed after just coming into the team.

Looking at them both today, both look like they are ready to start games.

I think with a favourable draw, Bournemouth could be the dark horses for a very good cup run.

What could go wrong went wrong today, need to step it up for Weds, cannot afford a first half like that again.

But looks like Alcaraz could be a decent addition.

We go again Weds.

…. I’m just thawing out after a particularly cold day at the old lady, and I’ve had quite a few king of beers so please don’t think me thick but, am I missing something ?

What has that game got to do with today’s ?

I’m not being funny or anything it’s a serious question.

Asking for a friend as they say ….

Incidentally I have taken dual membership but up to now, no Match reports or comments. Hope that helps mate !

We have now lost four consecutive matches against Bournemouth in the last year. That they looked more comfortable in the first half than in any of the previous matches was disappointing. Our players could not get going with Beto’s limitations exposed when he is the target man while Kerkez had too much pace for Lindstrøm to do much more than pass back into the midfield.

Our players at least made a decent effort to get back into the game in the last half hour and on another day, with a touch more luck, might have done so. Alcaraz showed promise in his half hour on the pitch. He looks like the creative, ball carrying attacking midfielder we have badly needed in the last eighteen months. Hopefully he can now build on the initial favourable impression.

The challenge now is to prevent one defeat becoming two or three.

Lyndon and Michael have left ToffeeWeb. Lyndon is now turning his Evertonia.com into his full-time site where you will find a lot of familiar faces. I don't know what MK plans to do but I wish him success whatever it is and I hope that he posts on Evertonia.

The two new fellas have made no effort to introduce themselves Oliver. In their position, I would have put up such an introduction before I did anything else.

The complete lack of communication TFG style (though even they introduced themselves) does not bode well for the future. I fully expect to see a migration to Lyndon/Evertonia as the reality of shifting between two sites dawn on us.

I will not be at all surprised to see Toffeeweb turn into a member only monthly subscription site in the not too distant future.

www.onlyfans.com.toffeeweb

If the new owner's / editors / administrators are not Evertonians - whats the point !

Fellow Blues,

Welcome to Evertonia. Those of you long enough in the tooth to have been around on the early Web in the late 1990s will remember that this is where it began for me in terms of creating and maintaining a website devoted to this club we all love. And, after 24 years of running ToffeeWeb, I've come back to my Evertonia.com home where all of my Everton content will now live.

As of this past week, beginning 3rd February 2025, ToffeeWeb is in new hands and both mine and Michael Kenrick's involvement with the site came to an end. The transition has taken longer than I expected and it wasn't the clear-cut change-over I had anticipated so I apologise for the lack of clarity to this point. Hopefully this explains the changes that have been taking place.

If catching up on all the latest news and being able to discuss it with fellow Blues was what you liked about ToffeeWeb, including the Live Forum, it will continue to be a news resource and community like it always has been, just with a different voice. If my style of content was a draw to TW for you, I hope you won't be disappointed by Evertonia. As most of you will have seen, the Podcast was re-branded a few weeks ago to The Evertonia Podcast — the same team, the same content, just under a different name.

It is an opportunity for me to focus my energies on longer-form, more in-depth writing in a more “magazine-style” setting, with the same emphasis on and encouragement of measured, cordial, respectful discussion between my fellow Evertonians. This is not intended to be an up-to-date news resource in the ToffeeWeb vein — that should still be your destination for that kind of content.

I'd also love this to be a site featuring quality articles and editorial from fellow Blues so if that sounds like you, let me know or send in an article for consideration.

An accompanying Forum, currently in Beta stage production but open for you now to use and kick the proverbial tires on, is an area to discuss all manner of things related to the Blues and the game beyond that won't be covered on the main part of the website.

If you were a visitor, member or Sapphire subscriber to ToffeeWeb, no matter for how long or how frequently, I sincerely thank you. Your support means the world — even more so if you decide to support Evertonia by adding this site to your regular Blues-related destinations as well!

As with all things new, getting the word out is the challenge so if you like what you see here, please do spread the word and let your mates know about the re-birth of Evertonia. In the meantime, feel free to create a member account so you can join in the discussions or get in touch with any questions, feedback or issues, or if you'd like to become a regular contributor to website.

And, last but not least, Up The Toffees! 💙

At least there was a decent match report on toffeeweb tonight

If Tarkowski doesn’t feel comfortable on the ball from these ridiculous short goal kicks, then knock them on the head. During the second half, when Bournemouth had a goal kick, not once did they play a short one, every single kick was sent long by Kepa, and quite right, because the opposition cannot score if the ball is 70 - 80 yards away from your goal. If Tarkowski decides to play like that on Wednesday (If he’s picked that is), then quite simply, he will be punished for it.

Time for him to take a break, and play Branthwaite and O’Brien together in the middle of the back four.

You must have watched a different game than me then.

Throughout most of the first half they swarmed all over our players forcing errors.

Today we seen the limitations of our midfielders, the slow reactions and the overall lack of pace.

Gana is and has been fantastic at what he does but today the pace killed him, so too with James Garner, struggled in the face of more energetic players, while Doucoure was basically Doucoure, the ball the usual hot potato.

I know Jake was played out of position today but me was awful, although not as bad as Tarkowski.

Give Dixon a chance. Even Dyche did.

Dixon will be destroyed at this level, that's why he's not making the bench.

He needs loaning out and then toughen up his all round game which he will in time.

I think Tarkowski’s contract is not up this summer but he should be eased out of the team over the next few months, today’s performance from him was not a one off this season.

He is never going to be a great footballing centre back in the John Stones mould, but he’s still our best defender and we’d concede far more goals without him.

But yes, he was bloody awful at times today!

I’m not Moyes’s biggest fan but he is no fool and he is learning game by game about his current squad .

Surely the woeful Dourcoure has finally today shown Moyes how shite he is. Is Mylolenko injured and out of the running for Wednesday, just as he was playing his best football of the season under Moyes?

Pickford: O'Brien: Branthwaite: Tarkowski: Young: Gueye: Iroegbunam/Garner: Lindstrom: Alcaraz: Ndiaye: Beto

It was an enjoyable day and although you can say fair play to David Moyes, for doing something Dyche, wouldn’t do, and playing Jake O’Brian, it only took me ten minutes to decide he’s not a fullback and if he continues in this position, it won’t be long before he gets totally exposed.

I don’t blame Moyes for today, how can I when he hasn’t inherited much, but going thirty years without a trophy makes me very sad, and that’s why it hasn’t been that hard missing quite a few games lately.

I went to MK Dons today, and for a club in league two, alls I can say is what an absolutely fantastic stadium, they have got. It got me thinking about Bramley Moore, but for those of us who wear glasses to watch the game, make sure you view the positions of the floodlights at our new stadium before you pick your season ticket.

Poor today but no one thought surely we had turned the corner for good. The squad is still weak and players like Tarkowski, whilst usually one of our best, would likely not get into any of the top ten teams.

A long cup run was likely beyond us currently and survival remains the priority.

Let’s go again, starting on Wednesday. COYB

Moyes should have spotted what was going on and changed tactics.
Going long against them today would have been more effective than arsing around at the back.

Besides tarkowski having a mare I thought most of the team played well.

Obrien was in no mans land for the first and struggled against semenya who I think is a top player.

All of the subs contributed, how is Moyes going to fit in Tim, Jimmy, Gana and Alcatraz into the same team.

Not so long ago Dyche was slaughtered on here for throwing Keane on up front, not one poster critising Moyes for doing the same. We did have a young striker on the bench today who must be confused by that decision.

Shame we couldn't have converted any of the ones that hit the post to put a bit of pressure on them.

Oh well last cup game at Goodison and we shot ourselves in the foot.

We can't do the same on Wednesday.

We are not going down under Moyes Sam. Why are you so negative about him and us? I trust in Moyes Sam; perhaps you should too.

I’m not sure how you can be sure he’d be destroyed at this level but leaving Jake at right back when we’re 0-2 down made no sense. Perfect opportunity to throw Dixon in again in the absence of Seamus and Patterson.

Today perfectly illustrated how much we miss DCL up front.

Looks like toffeeweb is finished , 79 posts at 11.30 pm on a matchday.

Someone bought a pup.

The first hour was awful. Top managers don’t wait that long to make changes. The ghost of Dyche lingers by the looks of it.

Per Mr. Roy's LinkedIn bio, he's three years out of a West Bengal engineering college (IT degree) and completed an English for Journalism course on Coursera from the University of Pennsylvania.

He describes himself as "Obsessed with the art of story-telling in the world of sports."

He currently writes for Olympics.com, Sportz Interactive, The Bridge (on cricket), Fancode (on cricket) and something called CRED.

No mention in his profile of football in general or Everton in particular.

So many questions. So much speculation. Not a great start really.

I suspect that a lot of Evertonians on here would like Mr. Roy and this other fella, Khalid Ahsein of the "editorial team", to show us their Evertonian credentials. Neither of them has ever posted anything on Toffeweb before the last two days.

Despite Lyndon's kind messages there is so much that we do not know about what has happened and why. The most pressing issues for me right now are the new "editorial team's" credentials to edit this site, why they chose to become the editors, and what are their plans for this hallowed site.

But like many, I expect I'll go over to Evertonia. I like my Everton content to be created by, you know, Evertonians. For that same reason, I also don't frequent Goodison News...

As to today: Harrison was superb in his cameo, Alcaraz was too. Doucoure showed last week was a blip, Tarkowski had another of the bad days that are becoming far too frequent this season. If we play as we did in the last thirty, we'll do well. If we play as we did in the first sixty, those bastards are going to destroy us.

I cannot see him starting with Young Wednesday, so if Mykolenko is still not fit, he may bring Harrison in, he may be debating whether to start Keane instead of Tarkowski, to be fair Keane was unlucky to be dropped instead of Tarkowski, when Branthwaite returned from injury, earlier in the season, Tarkowski had some stinkers early doors but kept his place.

Chances are the Manager will stick with Tarkowski and if so pretty sure Tarkowski will up his game.

I would be tempted to bring Ndiaye in the middle, to get closer to Beto, try Harrison on the left side and Lindstrom on the right, with Iroegbunam starting in midfield, to carry the ball forward, in place of Doucoure, then it is a case of do you go with Guaye or Alcaraz alongside Garner.

Do we stick with Guaye for his tackling and Doucoure for his getting up and down the pitch which slows our play down, or do we gamble with Alcaraz, Garner and Iroegbunam to try and get us up the field quicker.

Come Wednesday night, we should be a bit wiser before kickoff, if the team is tweaked, or we go with safety first and same 11 if fit starting again.

I will save judgement until after the game next week, hope lessons have been learned and we get a response from the Manager and the players.

Whilst we're in this transition period, I'll see if I can get it submitted on both sites, depending on the direction Lyndon wants to take the new one.

Tony, I went to MK Don's several years ago. It was to watch Everton play them in a pre-season friendly. You're right, a tidy stadium. I'll let you know about the Harrogate fixture.

Some of the changes that David Moyes has initiated have helped, but the execution wasn’t there today against a quality team that pressed high. Tarks had a disastrous performance and was really uncomfortable playing out of defence. O’Brien showed he will struggle at right back against top wingers (not his fault). Doucoure treated the football like it had a bomb in it and Beto showed he struggles receiving the ball with his back to goal.

The manager must drop Doucs after such a dreadul performance - this team will remain inconsistent until the message gets through that bad performances send you to the bench. It is the only way to raise standards. He will probably stick with the very lucky Tarks as he presents an aerial threat on set pieces. Beto will play for the next few weeks regardless.

A sad way to finish cup football at the Old Lady. But beat the redshite on Wednesday and we will soon get over it.

UTFT!

Moyes has gone out of League Cup in the 3rd round 5 times and the 4th round 2 times.

He has gone out of the FA Cup in the 3rd round 3 times and has now gone out of the 4th round 4 times.

But at least this report from Roy reads like he wrote it, although maybe not with the same boiling blue blood that we are use to.

Then it would be a safe bet that he has lost more, and that would probably also be true of away cup ties also.

But hasn't Moyes taken us to Wembley more times than any other manager?

At the end of the day only David Moyes has got Everton Football Club to a Cup Final since 1995.

Infact since 1989 only Moyes and Joe Royle have managed Everton into a Cup Final, let that damning fact sink in.

Two managers, in 36 years, what a truly despicable record for a once proud Cup side.

I don't mind us trying to play better football but when the defence tried to play out from the back the midfield was nowhere to be found and when they did appear in the Bournemouth half they had little idea or options on where they should go from there. My first change might be to stop this reversion to passing goal kicks to somebody standing two feet away in the six yard box/goal area. We then use one of only two outlets which after only a couple of games the opposition have caught on to which are either wide but not much further forward to O'Brien who then needs somebody unmarked down the line or to Branthwaite who moves wide and forward on the left looking for his left back or a wide man which yesterday we just didn't have. If we are to play out from the back then the midfield needs to get involved earlier and their work rate has to seriously increase. At the moment we either give the ball away to the opposition or back to Pickford to start all over again.

I’m sick of being offered Willian on a free 🙈

Thanks

The live match reports were Michael's thing. I still don't know how me managed it, but credit to him.

It would be a nice gesture to have a message from him.

Evertonia, I suspect, won't exactly be a complete reproduction of TW as Lyndon shapes and moulds it.

But once Doucoure went off, we were better to watch, we created chances and were unlucky not to score. Players who needed time on the pitch made a big difference coming on for cameos. That got me looking forward to watching us when they're ready for a full game.

Disappointed to lose to a better team. Pleased with the last half hour. Risks look great when they come off, poor when they don't. I'd rather we get used to seeing us slowly get better with risks. Our points will come against the teams around & below us. We'll need to be spot-on and/or lucky against the higher-placed teams.

But ToffeeWeb is an historical artifact. The seasons section is a more comprehensive Everton database than anything on the net. Old match reports, player ratings, game stats, opinions from Evertonians...

I suspect this has been a life's work that wouldn't happen without blue blood.

We've no right at all to expect people to continue to maintain it, but I can't see an organisation that sells content for clicks bothering with it. It's already in disrepair over the last few games.

A little bit of my Everton heyday gone.

Man Utd 2005 - 0-2

Blackburn 2007 - 1-4

Oldham 2008 - 0-1

Birmingham 2010 - 1-2

Reading 2011 - 0-1

Wigan 2013 - 0-3

Bournemouth 2025 - 0-2.

Apart from Man United, every single one has been a complete embarrassment.

So I guess Moyes has lost more cup games than any other manager at Goodison, seeing as he is by far the longest serving manager we’ve had that I can think of.

Is losing at home to a very good Bournemouth side really that embarrassing?

Take a look at the league table.

We need to stop being ignorant dickheads here, there are still people who look at Manchester United's badge and think they are a great side, but look at Bournemouth and think because it's a small club it should be a team we are thrashing.

Everton have been a nondescript club for years.

The Moshiri era set us back 20 years too, such was the slipshod scattergun approach hence why we are the club we are now.

Ancelotti once lost to Liverpool babies team in 2020.

Media love in man Sean lost at home to Luton Town last year.

Rob@107, man that's so depressing. I just don't understand this myth that Goodison has seen so many fantastic memories. No wonder people still talk about games 60 years ago.

Thirty full seasons without one of the domestic prizes. Very sad but it could have been worse given the events of the last number of years.

Best of luck to the new custodians of ToffeeWeb and of course to the old ones. Best of luck to all the contributors, I will always remember in a good way the contributions made by the likes of Danny O', Mike G, Rob H, Tony A and the encyclopedia that is Robert.

I hope the next 30 years brings more joy and trophies to BMD!

Tarkowski is a player who cannot play out from the back, and these short goal kicks between him and Pickford do my head in. Even for the second goal, despite not being put under pressure, he still contrived to play a pass straight to one of theirs. Not once, that I can remember, did Kepa play a short goal kick. Every one went long. Why’s that, can they not play out from the back?

Apart from the two goals, I can only remember one save from Pickford, in the second half, and even then many around me think it was “One for the cameras” save. With a bit more luck in the second half, we could easily have got something from that game, although you know it’s not going to be your day when O’Brien somehow manages to hit the post from about a foot out.

I’m not knocking Bournemouth in any way, either. To go away and beat Newcastle, Man Utd in the manner they did, and beat Arsenal and Man City at home, is something most clubs would love to achieve.

When you stop trying to win you are on the road to mediocrity, and when MR Mediocre stayed on after selling the club, to Usmanov’s frontman, how could we genuinely have expected a change of direction?

You don’t win much without having the inclination, and yet Moyes got himself a few very high paying salaries, for completely changing the narrative of our once great football club.

Stuck with Moyes the Evertonians sang with glee to the Man Utd fans, when we finally beat them at old Trafford, but the irony was never lost on me

Am sure many supporters also have fantastic memories of Goodison, not necessarily football related.

For me, just having the opportunity to be at Goodison is always memorable.

he’s played with no strikers plenty of times so it may be an option, although I’d like to see Beto give Van Dick a barge or three early doors.

We're not at the bottom due to underperformance.

We're at the bottom of the Premier League due to consistent overperformance - when we should really be in the Championship (and possibly insolvent). It is only luck, the fans, heroic efforts by certain players (Pickford and Richarlison spring to mind) and (cue a backlash) exceptional management by Dyche for about 18 months that mean we're still a Premier League club.

History now though. And a very exciting new chapter could be about to unfold at Everton, if the club is prepared to put in the groundwork other clubs have done to assemble good squads.

The fact that you can't make any reasonable introductions but can blindly publish a matchday report doesn't really sit too well.

Not a good start.

"The seasons section is a more comprehensive Everton database than anything on the net"

I can't agree. This site is the Guvnor:

https://evertonresults.com/

If the new ToffeeWeb becomes a subscription site they can “ Do one “ ToffeeWeb for me was all about the fans who contributed to it and made it, Lyndon and Michael brought us all together and I’m grateful for that but the King is dead ——Long live the King!

The articles that they wrote offered a unique pespective in terms of match reports, editorials and thought pieces that resonated. They were written by two blues with different perspectives, they stimulated interesting and diverse debates and sometimes arguments.

The match report above could have appeared on any generic media website, app or news feed, despite the gallant effort of Mr Roy to capture the voice of the site.

That is the problem when you are writing about a club that you know nothing about, have never seen live and who play in a city you have never visited.

Change was definitely needed - good luck chaps.

"Rumour going around in the bar after the game was that Tarkowski had personal issues and requested to be left out of the team"

Not sure which bar you were in Mark, but there is a greater rumour sweeping the entire fan base suggesting there will always be somebody making excuses for him no matter how bad he gets.

We were in the game as we should be but we gave them 2 goals.

Our defence dosn't make too many mistakes so can be forgiven for this one.

We lost this but it could have easily been a draw, its that big word 'if'.

As far as the site goes, I'm presuming Anjishnu has paid good money to takeover ToffeeWeb. He deserves our support.

My computer always wants to space my sentances out like the above, its not my choice.

The line ups are available an hour or more before kick off so just have a look online, sorted!

Colin, the teams, including subs are usually published on the official website or App on your phone, which is free to download.

I think media outlets like the BBC and Sky put the teams/ subs up too.

Liam, he wasn't the only one in this round of the FA Cup.

It's almost as thought the powers that be said to the officials "Make a couple of right fuck ups and that'll take the pressure off VAR." (NOTE: I do not actually believe that.)

Colin, if I was to guess I'd say it may be down to "time."

There were nine on our bench yesterday and maybe the club see it as taking too much time to list all nine, just a guess!

Robert, Anjishnu doesn't own Toffeweb he's just a content writer for the company who does.

Mr Roy is a content writer employed by the site owner who writes copy on multiple sports teams.

He will charge a flat fee to write the above article.

Will we see a lot more adverts, will the site become subscription based?

Liam#149. Hahaha, nice one.

Not sure the readership on TW is large enough to generate huge advertising revenue.

Do we know what's actually happened? Have Michael and Lyndon sold up or retired or whatever else?

Exactly Andy. And without TW I wouldn't have met, and become good friends with, some "proper" Evertonians such as yourself and Mike to name just two. Look forward to seeing you mate.

Robert#154

Robert, Lyndon's returned to Evertonia.com

Not sure about Michael yet.

When that shut down it was a big miss and

I found Toffee Web, stuck with it since as it is by far the best fan forum.

I guess I will juggle between here and evertonia now..

I don't get to many live games now, but I look forward to going to BMD once it's all bedded in, and I will miss Goodison.

I would miss this site too if it went, I get to hear some great stuff on my team, keep it going in the same theme please.

The RS can rest players because their squad is so much better than ours. In particular they can field an experimental central midfield and defence because their attack (even without Nunez, Salah and Gakpo) carries so much threat in Jota, Diaz, Chiesa and Elliot. Plymouth will have a job on handling that - and so will struggle to commit men forward to have a go at what appears to be a softer underbelly.

Their midfield too is interesting. People bang on about them being brave enough to field youngsters when we are not. But their two central midfielders today have been scouted as exceptional talents and bought in from Sunderland and Leicester respectively. This isn't bravery, this is strategy. They've not been brave enough to field less highly rated players from the u21s who, like many of ours, will fall into the lower leagues without getting anywhere close to the First XI.

Like Andrew, above, I only became aware of Toffeemen after the demise of Bluekipper and I'm glad I did. I have now followed Lyndon over to Evertonia with many fellow Toffeemen and women and will continue to pop in here to see how things progress.

It's all purely supposition but if ToffeeWeb starts to sink under the weight of advertising or indeed becomes a subscription platform you won't see me on here for dust.

I hope these new people make a decent fist of the job they've taken on - and they are big boots they are filling - and maintain a standard of content at least as good as we are used to. Added to which a little background dope and evidence as to their qualifications to become custodians of a platform with such devoted following I look forward to seeing.

I wish them well and hope they succeed but am somewhat sceptical on the evidence so far. The match report yesterday was pretty ok but some of the other seemingly AI enhanced content should be consigned elsewhere.

My concern is more for the historical articles contributed over the years by Rob Sawyer and Becky Tallentire and others. For those of us who didn't grow up with the club's history and family traditions, they are wonderfully educational and endlessly fascinating, and I would miss them desperately.

Brian #155, you know exactly what this site has meant to me. Literally life-altering. It has introduced me to forever friends -- those to cherish on our rare meetings (you, Pete, Rob, Andy, DK, the Abrahams and more) and those I haven't met yet (PT, Gerry Q, Danny, Kieran) -- who have brought magic into my life in so many ways.

A semi-formal introduction would be nice to see what there plans are.

💙

The ones they get fees for are usually (a) bought in already as top talents from other academies (b) players who have first team appearances and look promising (c) players with international credentials etc.

With those more comparable to our youth products they are also getting buttons. They trade a very very high volume of kids.

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEES !!!!!!!!!

Well done Plymouth!

Let’s stuff them again on Wednesday.

That's what kept me coming back to this site.

If they are gone, I suspect I might stop checking in on this site.

Very odd that the handover was not made more visible. Weird way to end it.

The article above is solid, but it feels more corporate to me. Maybe with time some personality might come through.

Thanks Michael and Lyndon.

My thoughts are I think it is reasonable to assume ToffeeWeb has been bought by TFG and the two Indian guys are employees and just the start !
Definitely not Evertonains and most likely will be using AI to help them as write stuff.
Give it a few weeks and we will be offered an "advert free" subscription.

If Lyndon and Michael got a load of money to sell - fair play to them but I have to admit I would rather have a fan forum that was controlled and run by proper Evertonains.

The new Evertonia will be run by a proper fan, and like others don't want to be going back and forth so will have to wait and see.
The silence from the new owners isn't doing them any favours !

Big congratulations to Plymouth who thoroughly deserved their win.

We still have a big say in their season. Lets derail the badge wearing, flag lying. Gobshite speaking, anthem singing mother fuckers season so the whole o footbal can rejoice.

Ok. It would mean a trophy or the horse puncher's but Thats a price I would pay.

Drove an Allegro from Plymouth to Tewkesbury on 3 cylinders once. It helped it was slightly downhill all the way once past Plumpton races.

Had a soft spot for Plymouth ever since.

The title I chose was ——Three Cheers for Plymouth.
I could have stretched that out to —— Or Anyone Who Beats them!

Lyndon had been offering that for years now. I was a subscriber, which I just rolled-over to Evertonia.

I'll have to wait and see what happens here, as the site is now without "All-in" Everton ownership.

Makes a big difference.

Completely agree on the disrespectful new owners. They are probably spending all this time working out the details of their monthly subscription packages. Is the 'contact us' message function working?

Big, although not unexpected disappointment of being dumped out of the FA cup, early and at home (again) matched if not surpassed by news of Michael & Lyndon's departure from this site.

Someone posted the other day that Toffeweb has been going for 31 years... I've been here for 21 and it's been great company on my journey. So sincere thanks to Michael & Lyndon and of course all the other contributors who have made this site my first port of call each new day.

This site has made the difficult burden of being an Evertonian over the last 20 years that little bit easier.

And then...fecking Plymouth 1 - The Shite 0 !!!!

Oh my God!

The Argyle guys looked like they couldn't believe what had just happened. What a feeling that must be.

PS... could this finally be it for Ange? All hope gone for Spuds now.

Summer for me will be when we start our big rebuild, Coleman, Tarkowski, Harrison, Doucoure, Keane will be replaced, I think O,Brien and Branthwaite will be the regular centre halfs, a new right and left back for starters.

Harrison will be sent back, so a pacy right winger a must.

I think we are alright midfield with Garner, Iroegbunam, Alcaraz, McNeil, I think we will give Guaye an extended 1 year contract.

I know Chermiti is still an unknown, but I think both Calvert-Lewin and Beto will be playing elsewhere next season, so two strikers coming in a must.

From now until the end of the season gives us a chance to see how these players do.

I can only see Guaye being one of the ones we hold onto, who,s contract or loan ends in May

Be very very surprised if Doucoure Harrison, Young, Keane are still with us next season.

Going to be an interesting summer.

I've read the thread and again our "experts" are chipping in with their "expertise" and "knowledge" to tell us all exactly what has happened and who does what.

For example, Mr. Roy has been presented in essence as a commercial writer. That alone. This other lad is apparently in his view an "editor". It is not clear cut. We are in the dark.

Who does actually own the site (a simple and direct question)?

Who makes decisions about what is to be published?

Who makes decisions about who is to be moderated and slapped with a temporary ban?

Who do we communicate with?

Who in the know will tell us exactly what has happened (Lyndon's communications still leave many questions unanswered)?

Who now makes up the "editorial team"?

We know skeleton details about Mr. Roy but nothing about the other fella on the "editorial team".

I imagine that Lyndon is being respectful and it waiting for these two new owners/editors/writers/subscription specialists to speak on their own behalf.

But their silence is disrespectful, disappointing, and highly unprofessional.

Have no details on the firm, sorry.

And pardon my ignorance, but why The Janners?

It would be great if this" article", cleared everything thing up and give a sound reason why the new owners have remained silent. Also explaining how this has affected Michael Kenrick. I actually believe that there is quite a bit we are entitled to know. We ARE the site and make up pretty much 100% of " customers. I don't expect this to be a labour of love or a hobby for the new owners but if it is there intention to make it an advert or subscription based commercial enterprise, well, they are off to a dodgy start. We'll see.

I read that also.

I got the impression that "Evertonia" will differ substantially from ToffeeWeb. It won't compete directly but will present an alternative.

In fact there's a post on here where Lyndon suggests that ToffeeWeb will still be the "go to" site for immediate match reports, breaking Everton news and "ad hoc" discussions.

All my own ramblings but more "Evertonia Magazine" rather than "The Daily ToffeeWeb"

And, Andy C, as well as "We ARE the site and make up pretty much 100% of " customers", WE are the ones who might consider coughing up monthly when the new owners - whoever they are - turn ToffeeWeb into a subscription site.

Very poor on all fronts to treat a potential customer base like this. Double whammy for us then: the owners of our club are mute, and the owners of OUR site are mute. Neither the club or this site can run without us. We are not without a bit of clout.

Treat us with the respect we deserve, though I suspect that TWEB is a cash-cow for these mute new owners who had to google WIKI Everton to see what we are.

Let’s be honest, the posters were what made the site with match discussions.

Mike and Lyndon did a great job and some great articles, but if whoever has taken this over continues the same way ToffeeWeb has been run and posters still have their views and comments, then we can all still put our views and comments across.

I will be staying with ToffeeWeb for now, unless anything changes, I find it great to keep in touch with fellow posters, a chance to put differing views across, some great debates, a good place to arrange pre match meet ups.

Who cares if the match report is not as fluent,we normally throw our own points of view in anyway.

I for one am prepared to give the new guys a chance, until anything changes, like the old saying, do not fix that is not broken, the moment subscriptions come into place will be the time ToffeeWeb will cease to excist.

I'd rather have Lyndon's take... no disrespect though.

I'd love you to give me a quote.

I've seen Lyndon praising the new TW elite and suggesting "Evertonia" will be fundamentally different.

I don't think he see's himself competing with them?

Evertonia offers:

Articles

Match Reviews

News

History

Podcast

Forum

The Forum operates exactly like GOT.

If you're after the latest news and being able to discuss it with fellow Blues, including the Live Forum, ToffeeWeb will continue to be a news resource and community like it always has been, just with a different voice. If my style of longer-form content was a draw to TW for you, I hope you won’t be disappointed by Evertonia. As most of you will have seen, the Podcast was re-branded a few weeks ago to The Evertonia Podcast — the same team, the same content, just under a different name.

It is an opportunity for me to focus my energies on longer-form, more in-depth writing in a more “magazine-style” setting, with the same emphasis on and encouragement of measured, cordial, respectful discussion between my fellow Evertonians. This is not intended to be an up-to-date news resource in the ToffeeWeb vein — that should still be your destination for that kind of content.

I'd also love this to be a site featuring quality articles and editorial from fellow Blues so if that sounds like you, let me know or send in an article for consideration.

An accompanying Forum, currently in Beta stage production but open for you now to use and kick the proverbial tires on, is an area to discuss all manner of things related to the Blues and the game beyond that won’t be covered on the main part of the website.

"An accompanying Forum, currently in Beta stage production but open for you now to use and kick the proverbial tires on, is an area to discuss all manner of things related to the Blues and the game beyond that won’t be covered on the main part of the website".

In matter of fact, fundamentally similar to ToffeeWeb but we will be expected to use more syllables.

A quote from who, regarding what?

Brendan, sorry, don't follow.

Then two posts later...I kid you not a quote from Brian:

If you're after the latest news and being able to discuss it with fellow Blues, including the Live Forum, ToffeeWeb will continue to be a news resource and community like it always has been, just with a different voice. I

And yet Lyndon spells out how Evertonia will be different ands some still don't get it.

“Reader Responses

Selected thoughts from readers”

I wonder what the criteria will be for “selecting”. Will it be the poster or the poster’s content?

In all these years, to the best of my recollection, Lyndon has always kept his own counsel and never shared personal or business information on this site.

Maybe the new owners will do so, but Lyndon is certainly under no obligation.

Brendan I was actually just trying to help mate but I get the impression you're being a bit shitty for some reason and genuinely don't know why.

What am I missing here?

And it wasn't a quote from me it was from Lyndon.

The major difference, I think, but it is not one of substance or structure but style, is that LL would like the discussion and contributions to be more elevated which suits me down to the ground.

Laurie H, I wonder if that is behind your point about 'selected'.

In other words, LL will not publish shall we say the Sean Kearns style post where every sentence has a fk, ct etc. in it.

There's the difference Brendan! If you want to say ct or fk go to Toffeeweb!

I just don't think that we have to chose between either site. Not saying you were were suggesting that either.

But it seems that some are choosing sides...

Trumpland has come upon us.

I'll probably go at a different angle for Evertonia, as I'm reading into it that Lyndon wants to take his new project in a new direction and more journalistic.

So it could be the end of my boring train escapades and the dog might be out of a job!!!

Hopefully, regardless of forum(s), we'll all stay in touch as TW over the years has put a lot of us in touch and we've become trusted Everton friends, even when we don't agree.

Stay in touch. My email is dannyefc26@gmail.com. Phone number 0796 600 7546.

In fact it'll probably be refreshing to jump between the two sites.

This superbowl stuff is driving me nuts.

Danny, I think once we all get used to using the forums on Evertonia that you will see just how easy it will be to keep in touch.

You could even start a thread over there on the day before a match, "Where I will be before the match", by typing a few words and pressing a button.

What Barry 241 said.

Are you bowing out completely or just moving to Evertonia?

We took care of Plymouth quite comfortable at their place in the cup.

Youtube highlights are the key to American Football.

I support the Indianapolis Colts. They play in an Everton kit. I also worked for an Indy based firm for 11 years.

And their mascot is a horse called “Blue”.

The Philadelphia Eagles to win tonight.

Everton to win 2-1 on Wednesday.

The ghost of Slippy G to return and reduce the RS season to dust.

It began today.

Levy has been trying to sell his stake in the past three months.

It's 0-0 in the Superbowl Rob.

Is that 6 billion the right reported amount do you know Jerome? There's no good in it if he sells: a happy even richer Levy and happy Spuds and Spudettes.

Youtube highlights are the key to most things Mike! Can't wait to put on Rangers / Queen's Park later and of course the glorious events at Plymouth with a nice glass of wine.

Give it to the end of the season?

Feck the redshite... Plymouth 1

That is what I am going to do because they are the main reason I come on here - friends, combatants, and wise heads alike.

By the way “ Please keep the faith, this club is going places, I am sure of it.” So am I.

Paul # 236 - maybe so but I am not sure if it is a good idea. I remember a comment on Bluekipper many years ago about “over at ToffeeWeb towers”.

Robert #161, Evertonia was Lyndon's baby before uniting with Michael and forming ToffeeWeb. So it's been around a long time.

Unless you want to start some?

I will come on here for the posts and read Evertonia for the articles and the threads.

On aspect of Lyndon's site is cool. We don't have to wait for ther editors to start a thread on, for example, Liverpool's humiliating FA Cup exit. Just click on Forum / Start New thread and off we go. So a lot of the threads will be led by us, as well as the option to post articles.

@ Danny 238, I think your match reports will set brilliantly on Evertonia so submit to both sites?

We don't know who owns this, runs this, or why/how things changed.

It might not matter, but it also might. My gut feel says that if the explanation was simple and reasonable then we'd already have it. But we don't.

But Lyndon cannot speak on the behalf of our new Indian editors? owners? what and who the fuck are they?

Their treatment of us is highly disrespectful, incompetent, and unprofessional.

Do they actually read what is posted on here?

Their casual indifference will rebound on them when they announce that ToffeeWeb will become a monthly subscription site because the very people - Evertonians we should remind them - on here who are the only ones who might - MIGHT - cough up a monthly subscription fee are being treated like shite.

Ernie, what would you like to be?

Silver member: £9.99 per month, posting rights and access to all threads and site news/information but not videos or podcasts or the live forum.

Gold member: £12.99 per month, posting rights and high priority access to all threads, site news/information, videos and podcast, and live forum, a ToffeeWeb keyring and fridge magnet, and right to upload pictures on the new hilarious members pictures feature.

Platinum member: £14.99 per month, posting rights and access to all threads, site news/information, videos and podcasts and live forum, a ToffeeWeb keyring and fridge magnet, right to upload pictures on the new hilarious members pictures feature, as well as entitlement to submit articles/threads for consideration for publication (by fucks knows who), first priority on ‘contact us’, and serious consideration for the new ToffeeWeb VISA credit card.

Like Paul and Dave’s, they take us on the journey with you. From the early morning clock setting, walking the dogs, trains being cancelled, finding alternative routes, the characters you speak to, your journey to the ground and so on. You bring the day and its humanity to life.

This incidentally, is all before you actually comment on the game. I love it.

The same with Paul and Dave. For some reason, I’m always expecting Paul’s mate’s car to break down on the motorway. I don’t know why?

Then there’s the West Country Blues. What a crowd. The early early morning start, and Posh Dave and his smoked salmon sandwiches!

You guys take us with you on the journey to the match. It’s a read I always look forward to a few days after the match. I enjoy it more than the original match report.

Your articles Danny, are an essential element to what constitutes ToffeeWeb; a bunch of passionate Evertonians, who can’t get out of the asylum.

If the new owners go for a dispassionate objectivity feel, ToffeeWeb is completely finished. So keep them coming Danny.

Ps. Regarding the new ownership, I’m still in the ‘wait and see’ camp, but I do think the whole handover business has been handled badly. In fact, I’m just waiting for Don A to blame Bill Kenwright for another Everton led fiasco!

Nah…….boring as fuck!!

I’m just waiting for Don A to blame Bill Kenwright for another Everton led fiasco!

Wise cracks like that are the reason ToffeeWeb is my first port of call each new day.

Just saying, and thinking out aloud!!

As for Don A I just nod along and agree with him!

Hardly making the new editors feel at home, suggesting they may be scammers. Hopefully they will soon realize about Scouse humour.

I'm assuming any contributer thread on Evertonia has to be approved by the mods before it airs? Much the same as Talking Points on ToffeeWeb.

With the podcasts I listened, in the beginning, to a few but they were not for me just like listening to the pundits on TV channels who I can’t be bothered with.

I have tried to join Evertonia but still waiting for a reply off them to see if I will be enlisted, if not ToffeeWeb will suit me, I think Lyndon and Michael owe us an explanation about why they decided to sell ToffeeWeb, common courtesy and let’s be honest we made ToffeeWeb what it became and helped them to sell it!

Yes, it looks like the same process. There doesn't seem to be a category for Match Reports though.

Brian @272. Never mind Scouse humour. They'll have to get used to TW and what looks like an argument but ends with a "mate" sign off!!

No, sorry, cricket is far duller and would put a class eye to sleep - even with YouTube highlights.

American football is too drawn-out but the 15 min highlights are decent. Packing 15mins of entertainment in to 3 hours is tough going live. Mind you, as Blues we’ve been there.

I spent a lot of time out in San Antonio with work a few years back and watched American football a bit in the sports bars.

I don't confess to truly understand it, but I admit to starting to follow certain aspects of it. This may or may not make sense, but I saw certain parallels with Rugby League.

Texas, or certainly San Antonio, was interesting. Although they have two NFL teams in the Dallas Cowboys and Houston Texans, they are really big on College Football, which itself can attract crowds of 80,000. There was more interest in the Texas Longhorns than the NFL teams.

Mark, I said exactly the same thing. VAR would have picked up on a lot. I think Bournemouth's first goal may have got checked for offside in the build up to the penalty.

As for the ownership, I don't think the names or locations of the writers give any clue.

Anjishnu is a content creator. And I have nothing against him nor what he does as a living. He delivers for organisations such as Sportz Interactive who, according their website, "Deliver platform specific high quality narratives that appeal to the sports fan". These guys could be writing about Cricket at 9am and Everton at 9.15. It's a volume game - churning out content. If a Liverpool site employed their services then they'd be churning it out for them too.

Whoever owns ToffeeWeb has just farmed out the content creation to another company.

Someone else raised the point that these people have access to emails, passwords and names. I know I probably signed a disclaimer when I signed up but, rightly or wrongly,I have a bit more faith in fellow blues than I do nameless click sellers.

Firstly, RL players don't need no armour plating to take tackles. Secondly, they don't have two different teams for attack and defence. Thirdly, its not stop start but fast and exciting. Hell, even Rugby Union is better than Grid Iron.

In defence of Cricket, I play the game to village standard and love it BUT I agree its a difficult watch and I only usually watch highlights (ie, wickets) on catch up.

Darts isn't a sport, its a parlour game for in the pub.

Danny - it was offside. Clearly. But not as bad as that Man U goal on friday night! That lino should never work again the blind tw@t!

Just looking now, Christine, Rob, Danny, Dave and Tony, the 10 Brian’s :-), Mark, Ernie, Derek, Bill, Steve, Paul,John McFarlene snr, so many on here we have read their comments, it’s like a family and friends site, we get to get things off our chest, plenty of banter, to lose contact with all you wonderful people on here is something I hope never happens.

Fingers crossed ToffeeWeb remains the same.

I don't know how high Nathan Aspinall ranks in pro darts, but his walk-on song fires up the crowd so, even his opponent joins in.

Link

Tarks was outpaced by Semenya (who is a really fine player) and the challenge was really poor. Tarks is normally quite good but had an off day which put us behind the eight ball.

Got to get it right for Wednesday.

It’s possibly different for the people who enjoy the sport when watching on a television, but either way, it’s just added a load more layers of controversy, because 99% of the decisions made are very subjective.

I disagreed with you when the Brentford defender, was sent off at Goodison, Mark, and wasn’t a bit surprised when that sending off was later rescinded.

I’m not saying it because I was proved right because that doesn’t matter, and with the current subjectivity, our next disagreement would probably see you being proved correct.

I’m saying it because I honestly believe VAR, has made watching football a lot less enjoyable (to me) and I’m sure we would have got rid of it if the fans had been allowed to vote, instead of the clubs?

My own view, is that I can Imagine the television companies had a great deal of input in this vote?

Then Lyndon goes off and runs another site he has already running in opposition to ToffeeWeb, which seems a little below the belt.

So there's nothing to make of it really

Rugby League is an exceptional sport, imo, for it’s honesty, skill, hard graft and a game for men who play the game like men not mammy pammy’s footballers.

While it would be nice to hear the full story as to why Lyndon and Michael have thrown their hand in. I disagree with you slightly when you say that they owe us an explanation.

They have provided a platform for thousands of Evertonian's for the best part of thirty years. Unlike posters who could pick and chose when they logged on. These guys seemed to be at their post 24/7 without much in the way of a break.
I guess that entitles them to leave the building in whichever manner they feel is right for them. We already know where Lyndon is. Perhaps Michael will surface and accept the praise due to him too.

Its very reassuring to hear that you and others will be sticking around to keep the chat going

By the way Colin I did praise Lyndon and Michael for the platform they provided and the work they did over the years.

Lyndon has at least shed some light on the situation but it feels like we were an afterthought and left in the dark. Would have thought the patron's especially would have been informed prior to the switch even if the details of why were left out and surely to keep people posting we need to know what it will look like going forwards. It speaks to a lack of understanding of what the TW online community means to Evertonians.

It's like football transfer deals, there can be a lot going on in the background with nothing confirmed until there is something concrete to announce?

Brian (don't all answer!!). Brian @285, totally, no more words needed.

Mark, I was careful about mentioning Cricket, with you in mind. The parallels are the territorial advantage. Is it 6 tackles in Rugby League? In American Football, I believe it's 4 downs to reach a given mark on the field of play. In both games, they have to give possession back to the opposition. I think. I'll stop now, as my understanding of both games is limited at best.

I agree county games or test cricket can be a bit gruelling to watch, but the other formats are sound. I went to the Caribbean in December 23 to see England play the West Indies, and took in three ODI’s and one T20. For atmosphere you can’t beat it. On the ale all day long, and the longer the day goes on, the better the atmosphere, mainly due to the ale!

Me and the missus are hoping to go to South Africa in about twelve months time when England are due to play out there.

It's unlikely this business model reads our individual posts. More likely looking at traffic on the website and number of posts etc. I would make a fairly educated guess that they'll be looking at either subscription or increased advertising.

Unfortunately that's the way of the world now I think. Where I work our marketing strategy is increasingly determined by clicks, visits and views.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wXBiyfivJR4

I think that Moyes made a complete Horlicks of the FA Cup tie against Bournemouth.It will be interesting to see if any knocks were picked up by Everton Players.

Jerome, they might be tired, they only played 45 minutes!!!

I don't have any criticism at all of Kenwright for the current bewilderment surrounding TW.

So there! :)

Thanks for Mr Brightside, James, that was very enjoyable and I’ve thought for a few years that us Evertonians, need a new anthem to take us into Bramley Moore.

“Something inside so strong” would be my choice, and definitely has some parallels with my favourite Everton song

Are you really sure about this? BK must be involved in some way. Keep digging Don. (No pun intended).

If you make an anagram of Anjishnu Roy and add a few letters and take a few away you get

'It's all Boys Pen Bill's fault this'

Don, the TW / Evertonia debate took over from transfer, or lack of, activity this week. Fortunately!!

Something original Tony, that no-one else would think of or copy. A lot of clubs on the continent have anthems played before the match. It has been creeping into the English game for several years now.

And to think it all started with Spurs. What a brilliant job the club have done to take advantage of the money and opportunity that brought in. My last time over the club VP walked us around and told us wonderful stories of that crazy two weeks getting ready for the Spurs game and the worldwide TV coverage. One anecdote about a sweat sock being used over a security camera to preserve the modesty of the Spurs players was particularly entertaining.

I'm just a bit sad to see what's happened with Marine this season, holding up the entire National League North and apparently headed back down to the 7th level, where I first met them. Losing Sol Solomon, the greatest Jewish striker since Ronny whatsisname, to Tranmere was a bitter blow indeed!!

(I do wonder what's gonna happen to my brick in the Rossett sponsorship wall, just inches away from Mourinho's.)

And thanks for the cricket response -- I knew I could draw you out, mate! I would suggest that the West Indies would have a wonderful atmosphere without a week's worth of wickets to help it along, but to each his own.

I know he spilts opinion, but I just think he talks sense. The way he was speaking too, didn't sound like he was a man thinking he wouldn't be here in the summer. Also, I belive he knew Dyche wasn't getting enough from this squad, and knew a better manager would get more from them.

I think now he's seen us through this last 3 years of turmoil, we now are on a path to rebuilding, seemed to believe this summer is big for investment in the squad, he's earned a chance to see if he can bring the sqaud to the next level.

Everton football club, have simply got to start aspiring for a lot more otherwise there will come a time when a lot of people will just think…… what’s the fucking point?

Let’s see what TFG, get around to doing because we don’t want to lose the perfect opportunity that this new ground is going to bring us, is my opinion

That's the point though isn't it, he hasn't been developing a sqad, he's been balancing the financial mess of the previous mangers and DOFs ?

So shouldn't he be given a chance now to go forward and develop a sqaud?

I think he could be the right man to work with Moyes.

Would more people like him if he was called Kevin Thelwellinho ? ( to nick a fat Sam quote)

David, agreed, he didn't sound like a guy who is insecure about his job. And I think the decision not to spend in this window was one that would have been taken in close consultation with the owners and Moyes.

Tony, I don't think there's any question TFG will want the best they can get as DoF, but so far at least they're giving Thelwell the chance to prove he's that guy. This summer would be his first true opportunity to build a team for the future, rather than merely trying to keep it above the waterline.

But darts?! I used to watch darts for Sid Waddell alone and there were genuine characters in the players' ranks: Bristow, Wilson, George, and so on and so on.

But Sid Waddell was a legend (there is a failed footballer skunk geordie twat on champions league footy duty over here who spectacularly fails to do a Waddell). Poetry. I'll never forget when he said - paraphrasing - And Jockey Wilson is at the Oche, a true athlete in supreme condition.

I'm not just happy to see him continue, I'm actually excited by the prospect of him having a chance to build something, with some actual spending money. The young developing players he's brought for peanuts really, added to with a few more quality additions could see us have an exciting side.

If someone has acquired this site, it baffles me as to why?
The whole cache and essence of TW is the two devoted supporters running it.
Without that, it loses all its essential value and becomes empty and meaningless.
The tendrils of capitalism poison and ruin the very things they try to own/control.

Look at Kraft buying Cadbury’s chocolate. They systematically lowered the cocoa content to increase global profits, which has resulted in being removed from the HM Royal approval list because it’s now an inferior product.
People who remember that old rich Cadbury’s taste have stopped buying it.

It was the same with Moyes, who gets a lot of credit for the way he operated in the transfer market over the years with Everton.

You can’t argue with some of his signings but when he had a good team and was finally allowed a few quid, from the sale of Lescott, he failed miserably imo, (Distin was just as good as Lescott) at a time when he could have signed a couple of players that might have taken us to the next level.

Hietenga was okay but players of his standard at the top level were ten a penny, and as for Billy, then he was definitely a let down imo.

I want the best for Everton, and don’t believe that just because a man has done a decent job in difficult circumstances, that this qualifies him to be given the opportunity, unless he’s really been scrutinised and the people in charge believe he his the right man.

If this is the case then I won’t have any objections but, I’ve had enough of this type of attitude at Everton, if I’m being honest, because I believe it’s time we started demanding a lot more

But never mind that - DAVE!!
I don’t know - where do squirrels put their nuts before swimming across the river???

In the many games at Goodison that my son and I have seen some high scoring wins stand out. Our 4 - 0 wins against Man City and Man Utd. Our 6 - 3 win against Bournemouth and recently 4 - 0 against Leicester.

Every single one of those games was followed by a defeat. I think that the team and the manager lose focus. Football is an easy game said Ancelotti but he forgot to mentioned that it is about maintaining focus in the game.

Last weekend Rashford played his best game of football that I have seen him play all season why? because he had to focus on the position and movement of his new team mates.

Lack of focus is why Doucouré and Harrison have missed four certain goals between them. The arrival of Alcaraz and the playing of Lindstrom more frequently will have both of the former players focusing a lot more when they get a chance to play.

Moyes has improved his game management and the three chances that hit the posts were created later in the game. We continued to strive to get something out of the game.

Mykolenko was missed for all to see, since a lot of the chances were created in that area. I seem to remember the last manager said that our left back was not up to the standard required for the premiership.

The last Derby at Goodison has, as always, injuries to important players in both teams. Let us hope it is a brilliant display of clean football and good refereeing.

I think I have mentioned in the past my grandfather carried the posts for Everton when they were a Church team and attended some of the games at Goodison. I think he would have liked a clean and honourable game for the last Derby at the old lady.

David #328, I think the Friedkins do value Thelwell's work, or he wouldn't still be in his job. That doesn't mean they won't replace him if they have someone in mind who they consider better qualified to build a winner from the ground up. But I'm with you. I hope he's still around for the summer window.

Andrea #330, the spirit of TW is the people who post here, not the administrators. Look back through this thread. You don't see fun and variety and cogent opinions?

I was a fan of Dexys back then and watched that episode and thought wtf is Jockey Wilson doing up on the screen.

“Everton expects success. We've a very good crowd and our crowd are very loyal. But, of course, they pay money and they expect to see us do well. If we don't do well then something should be done about it and something will be done about it,”

Talk of squirrels. Most of my dogs have always chased them. As for foxes, they're gone and I have to wait for them to come back.

Frank, that's a lovely last paragraph. Forever Everton.

Tony, back to your anthem talk earlier, I, for some reason have a few Ray Charles numbers in my head. I've no idea why. Probably because I was brought up on 50s and 60s music as well as country and western.

So maybe if Evertonia offers a more considered, journalistic, long-form vehicle and intelligent podcasts, there might be a gap in the market for something more direct and robust that a ToffeeWeb forum could fill.

So for example, if Evertonia was to produce a detailed piece assessing the pros and cons of David Moyes' return to Everton (maybe titled 'Moyes: The Sequel') that dug deep into the psychology of the man, his tactics, his potential, his record, his personality, ToffeeWeb could balance it with a piece along the lines - "Moyes, the bulging-eyed, imagination-free zone and money-grubbing presbyterian twat who'll deffo take us down."

I'm retired now but could still be persuaded to write the occasional piece.

(nb: for the latter!)

Up the fucking Toffees!

So, to my "allegedly-manic-Kenwright-bashing" critics (and everyone else in the world of "sane"), what's the difference between what he did with/to Moshiri in getting personally loaded and what "our" two hitherto TW paragons have now seemingly done to us by selling out to an unknown Everton nonentity?

Answers on a postcard anybody? Especially Lyndon and/or Michael?

Lyndon and Michael built and maintained something. "We" added value but we didn't do any of the web development, or set the tone through moderation, or pay the bills that the site no doubt generated.

It's very possible that they've decided that this either wasn't worth the effort or was the right time to take an offer. That's life, that's business. I do think we're entitled to more info, but if it's not forthcoming then we simply decide where we spend our time.

There is no shortage of places on the Internet to read about Everton or chat about football.

I didn't know my eyes could roll that high. I think I injured myself.

You can rest assured the new owners will have pointed to some of your posts when trying to knock down the purchase price.

Lyndon and Michael were not going to go on forever.Life moves on for us all.In the commercial world of today with short lifecycles it is better the sell preferably when you have 5% of the market.I don't know the ownership structure of ToffeeWeb, but a suspect that Lyndon was the 'Man'.Hence we have got news from him.Michael may not have been so understanding, which I suspect( Que attack from Michael).

Kenwright enriched himself and added nothing to Everton staying on to pick the over the bones.He screwed us all.Lyndon has allowed ToffeeWeb move to the next stage and provided a enhanced platform to run along side it,which I am sure will develop.

Michael will reemerge once he thought about things.We will not get any 'evidence'.He does not hold grudges for long.He barred me five times, but I got back, though the last time under my daughter's email.

Keep up the good work Don.

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I hope both platforms are significantly different and that some of the regular posters on TW stay here and don't start posting their regular and extremely well written articles on Evertonia instead. Otherwise TW will just morph into Evertonia.

I get a sense that some TW posters feel let down by Michael and Lyndon 'selling out' and that the new custodians of the TW site are seemingly not Evertonians and so may not 'get Everton' , sort of inferring TW may not be in safe hands.going forwards.

Wonder how many of these posters also would prefer to have a management team in charge of the club who are former players such as Baines, Carsley, Fergusob etc because they 'get Everton'.

I'll be criss crossing between both sites and no doubt be adding my inane comments from time to time.

:)

He thought that the squad this season was better than last season, therefore hinted that we have under-achieved. Most transfers done in January are over-priced by 20% compared to the summer, so we held off. He was also explicit that it is also impossible to have the lowest net spend in the premier league and expect to improve.

He indicated that it will be a busy summer, but the focus will be on evolution rather than revolution. That means we won't spend a fortune and we will look for young talent in the transfer market and create better development paths for Academy players.

I also got the sense he expected to be here next season. It did sound like he has getting his talking points into the public domain before the review of his contract extension.

Either that or he is marketing himself externally.

And while we commenters make TW special on the one hand — at least for those of us who comment or read the comments, and for all the friends we’ve made near and far — for me, part of what made TW special when I discovered it was that it was run by true Blues. It felt particularly non-corporate and special because of all the authors’ passion, knowing it was insider-y and biased in all the right ways. With obviously very little evidence — and maybe this changes — the write-ups now feel entirely soulless. And that sucks.

None of that means that TW won’t continue to be special if a good number stay on here and participate with thoughtful articles and consistently hilarious, poignant, insightful and combative discourse. But there’s no doubt that something significant is lost with this change.

In an ideal world, the site would’ve been passed into the capable hands of tries and true Evertonians. But alas that wasn’t meant to be. Whether people migrate to Evertonia or not — or dabble in both places — I just hope for all of our sake, maybe especially for those who come here just to read, that the new owners find a way to build a connection between author and reader. To that end, I think it’s an entirely fair criticism that the new people in charge have not even bothered to introduce themselves, which speaks volumes about how out of touch they appear to be, not understanding what makes TW the force that it is.

If they don’t build that connection, I think the site could quickly wither and die. If it’s a real money maker, or if they want it to be, they should employ real supporters to pick up where Lyndon and Michael left off as lead writers. I’d continue to pay for that. But not for what’s on offer now. As is, something just ain’t right.

Up the Toffees.

Match Reports that could be anywhere. That's the site.

I'm reminded of the classic scene in 'The Third Man' scene where Holly Martins is running though the dark streets of post war Vienna (cue evocative zither music) chasing the elusive Harry Lime - shouting 'come out, come out who ever you are'.

Or maybe Patrick McGoohans 'No.6' with Anjishnu Roy as No.2. Who is Number 1?????

Come out, Come out, whoever you are !

The Evertonia forum is a true gift from LL.

I dare you to make this site subscription based Roy or who the fucks owns it.

Let's call it our revenge.

Where was the update on Whittaker?

Come on Roy and co or whoever you are, convince us that you care and that we should back you to the tune of your 9.99 monthly subscription fee.

MUFC addict?

Maybe the new owners / editors are just finding their feet with regards to sourcing materials to update the site.

Paul #358, there's no updates on Evertonia either! No sign of the Thelwell interview or the lad being transferred.

OK found the interview, in Forum? submitted by a reader?

For the moment all the comments are under one thread no matter the contents so surely that will have to change but I would be more than happy to read the posts of Eugene slagging Moyes and Don Alexander telling us the truth about that narcissistic man who made £40M out of the club while putting nothing into it! Carry on lads and up the fucking Blues.

Old pictures of Bill in the boys pen, a signed picture of him leaning on the Rovers return bar, hundreds of ticket stubbs to Bills stage productions, a selfie of MK and Bill under the people's Club banner and Lyndon felt betrayed.

The next day sold up TW to the highest bidder, while MK is on the beach spending the Arteta money on pina coladas & lady's of the night

Or. It could have made excellent financial sense for them and their families, their careers ( & mental health)

To get some financial reward for their hard work and effort. Isn't that what we go to work for ? . Good luck to them !!