Daddy's Home

I have decided to give my total support to DM because any success he has - No matter how minor - will be more than welcome at our beleaguered club.

But I'm sorry mate. I found myself looking for around or a bucket as I read that. There is a huge section of our fans base who are tolerating Moyes's return at best. That`s because they love Everton. Not DM. If he reverts to type. the honeymoon will be a very short one.

"Daddy's home" ?.. Where the hell`s that bucket ?

But fuck the sugar, saccharine, sycophancy, sweetness, adoration, hagiography, anointing with holy oil/water, sainthood, of this shite OP.

A reading according to the Gospel of Saint David, 'a beloved figure'. Holy relics, including bits of tracksuit and zip-up match-day jacket are available at Everton-2, A worn tracksuit top worn for 3 days with deep scent of Moyes and a personalised message - or video where David repeats your name -with signed photo are available for 200 quid. JOI is 100 quid extra.

Amen.

From the debates and messages on TW, I think the consensus is one of pragmatic acceptance rather than raising the ‘Welcome Home’ banners. They don’t see Moyes as the future but a relegation stopping convenience.

However, there does seem to be an age line drawn on his return. Even Danny O has observed this at games. Younger supporters who have not known the trophy years, see his previous tenure in a different light to the older generation. And the chanting of his name at Goodison and Brighton indicates real support for him. It amazed me to hear it at the first home game.

Perhaps it’s the TW readers who are out of step with what appears to be the Moyes return consensus.

But for me, it has to be short term. Unless of course he wins four trophies in the next couple of years, and then I’ll change my mind!

The lake's looking a little bedraggled after the storm.

A bit over the top, but I guess you're possibly like my youngest brother, who told me our former and now current manager, for however long that will be. It depends on what the owners decide.

Colin and Paul had me chuckling away and Brian sums it up for me. Good pragmatic summary Brian. I hope Calderstones was nice. My favourite Liverpool park. My local is still like a muddy swamp. The dog doesn't realise, but races in with muddy paws and jumps all over the furniture!!

He's here, we need to points, but for many, it doesn't take away the disappointment.

Meanwhile the team gets our full backing and always will. I hope the manager drives them to get the points we need. Beat Leicester and two more wins. That will put us in a comfortable position.

Keep going Alan. All views and opinions welcome and ultimately we all support Everton.

That's correct mate. Danny musta thought Caldy was a shortened term for Calderstones.

So far so good but without 2 or 3 decent additions I fear what happened to Dyche will happen to Moyes only with bells on.

This pretty much brought the expected responses, from the people I expected it to (both positive and negative). :P

Your comment regarding dogs, mud and furniture made me smile Danny. I’m in South Wales at the moment visiting my girlfriend and her very energetic sprocker spaniel, we go to Caldicott Castle, his favourite walk which is a swamp at the moment after all the storms and rain. The muddier the better as far as he is concerned. Straight in the bath with him when we get home.

My worry mate is that maybe it's NOT satire!

Sometimes the modern Evertonian, reminds me of the Coventry City fans, I used to come across in the eighties.🤷‍♂️

Who knew that 7th place could generate such trauma?

This must, MUST, be a wind-up!

Are people content to have a guy who is a safe pair of hands and probably never challenge for honours?

The younger fan base seems happyish with him. The older fan base maybe see the club through rose tinted glasses of a once giant figure in domestic football.

Are modern fans enticed by the sky hype of biggest weekend ever every weekend, where the premier is the place to be? That may well be the case as 39k pack Goodison every week to watch mediocre football at best.

Are we ever going to challenge again? I suspect not under the current manager.

Moyes is a decent prem manager nothing more or less. Hopefully the new manager bounce will last until we are safe. Without funds he will tread water until sacked same as Smith, Lampard, and Dyche.

Could anyone face another 11 years of him?

I'm sure nobody will find it at all strange, and completely accept me shouting for Daddy at the next away game.

Lolz (I never lol)

Let's hope 'Daddy's got a brand new bag' this time round.

Either this is a TW version of the Disney movie Fantasia, complete with the dancing hippo in the tutu, or recreational cannabis has been quietly legalized in Britain.

Seriously, Moyes was the obvious choice, given current circumstances, to make Everton a vaguely normal midtable team looking up the table. Once that's done, he'll be replaced.

If he does that, I'll be happy.

DM got us back to back wins, that's awesome. Let's not get ahead of ourselves, especially if we are scheduled to go through a bad run (he's not immune to that, no club is, just ask almighty Pep).

Title feels like click bait, essay feels like rage bait. I'm neutral on his appointment given the mess we're in, I do want him to succeed as that means the club succeeds, but he's only back for a few games, let's just be fans of the club and support the team with the current mildly good feeling growing.

Pleased that he seems to have given us a lift - and created a bit of momentum / expectation about the place. Not all doom and gloom and hatred of Dyche.

Will be more pleased if we can 1 or 2 signings over the next few days to bolster a small injury hit squad.

And if he can finally win us a cup I might jump on board the daddy's home sentiment.

Been on courses last few months to highlight it in students work. Could tell by first paragraph. It's all in the sentence structure.

In fact this is his fourth one in the last five months.

https://www.ToffeeWeb.com/season/24-25/comment/fanscomment/index.php?authorfname=Alan&authorlname=McMillan

Dave, yes he has. Click on his name. Well-written for me, but more of usual bland ToffeeWeb boiler-plate.

But this one? Fantastic stuff. I laughed several times.

"Daddy's Home!" My God.
Hahaha.

Fantastic!

I won't bore you with the details for a history essay, but Liam is spot on about sentence structure and word choice.

Amongst a clutch of tell-tale signs, these two comments nail it for me: "he transformed the Toffees into a competitive force...the Toffees look to the future".

"The Toffees". This reads like journalism.

There is often a neutral tone, lack of warmth, and incessantly formulaic writing (read the praise of Moyes) in Bot-work.

This is the killer punch:

"Chants of support and joy have filled the air, echoing the club's rich history".

Come to my office at 9AM tomorrow McMillan. You will get zero for this work and I will be discussing other potential penalties with the Dean of Students Office.

P.S.

James Flynn 58: Liam (54) "Wrong, he's posted OPs several times".

You honestly believe that this is a credible argument? It's actually extremely naive. Students would run rings round you.

I fancy Alan is having a chuckle.
I do agree with some of his sentiments though.

In today's world Raymond where we need to be ever more resourceful, I can help with some coaching on how to spot the Bot.

Lulu Mark, but no imperfections?

As a trophy winner he's a non-event, the West Ham "achievement" being equivalent to the Anglo-Italian cup of 1970/1 (and that tournament was also shite if you're interested folks).

And yet he states he's stunned to have been re-appointed.

Freidkin may see Moyes as our saviour, yet to be shown as ever, whilst he, Moyes, pockets more £millions from our pockets!

Innocent and witty
Witty and innocent
Witty and witty
Innocent and innocent

Whatever - both your comments brought a smile to my dial.✅

No way Mr. Mark Murphy, Hemming is one funny fecker. He's also a very good/smart writer. However, the sharpest, articulate, and funniest fella, Jeremy Hardy, has never been replaced and nor has Rik. Paul Merton and Tim Vine still carry the flag but the recent loss of Tony Slattery was tragic in so many respects. Ricky Gervais and Jimmy Carr's stand-up shows are top league.

Welcome back Davy. I expect you will keep us up in EPL . at the minimum!

I for one hope and expect him to stay for his contract and hand the reigns over to a more progressive manager whilst having stabilised us and build a solid core and foundation.

Who wouldn't take that as an Evertonian after all these years of utter dross and misery? Oh wait, yes plenty it seems.

Don, you missed Kenwright out of your last sentence, don't you mean "he will pocket millions of out us....Kenwright's evil spirit will make sure of it". 😜 Well done for not saying it Don, i bet that was hard for you. Of course he will pocket millions, he is being paid the going rate to do a job that others have failed to do since....oh...when he was last here!

Welcome Mr Moyes and COYB!

All of them were well-paid by the club. Yet I don't see any such rhetoric regarding wages attached to any tirade at them.

Alert the media.

"Employee gets paid wage by employer."

This is a public relations nightmare, Don.

I think this is a wind up but if not, it’s worthy of a front page spread in Pravda.

P.S. Actually it was Shep and the Limelites who sang, Daddy’s Home.

They call us 'Inselaffe'. Island Monkeys. I think it refers to our Friday night antics, behaviour in Benidorm and football hooliganism back in the day!!

You could stereotype a lot of nations. I'm convinced Italians wouldn't be able to speak if you tied their hands behind their back as you take away the hand gestures!!

And the French being notoriously rude.

But Germans and comedy? Mind you, his point is a valid one. England even went one further than that by rewarding the 'success' of a semi-final defeat with an open bus tour, complete with Gazza's false breasts!!

I also lived in Italy for 2 years. Now there is a very colourful country and people. I don't think they mean to be comedians, but either way, they're very funny. To the untrained eye, you would think there was a massive argument going on. No, just two mates having a friendly conversation!

Been there Mark. The driving is something else. As I always used to say, road markings and traffic lights were a waste of paint and electricity. I also leaned very quickly that unlike here, if a car comes up your arse on the Autostrada and flashes their lights at you, it means they're coming through, not letting you out even if you are indicating intent!!!

Travelled all over with the family. Oriveto, which borders Tuscany is a hidden gem in comparison to it's more famous neighbour.

I liked Sciily. Napoli was something else. Absolute chaos. We think we've got a north-south divide, nothing like theirs.

We lived about 40 minutes south of Rome. I went to watch both Lazio and Roma a few times. I preferred Roma. I liked Francesco Totti and the Lazio supporters were downright sinister and fascists to go with it.

I read the TW site every day before I read the real life news and I recognize many names here in the reply threads. We have been through the shit for so long, we don't recognize the good times from the false dawns. I'm a 50 year old Evertonian from Dublin, currently based in Dubai, who celebrated and was nourished on the successes of the 80s, and who has had his fill of tantalizing promises and the many, many disappointments.

This article was absolutely tongue in cheek but demonstrates the desperate yearning of all of us who long for the glory days, nay, the adequate days of a 1-0 against Leicester this weekend 😀

I absolutely admire the dedication and the passion of Evertonians who have never seen success, but still believe. There are so many contributors on this site, fair play to you all. Just 3 of my 4 kids follow Everton, thanks to my insistence that only Santa only brings royal blue jerseys.

Having moved abroad, as mentioned above, I have had more time to think and write, which I love. I may produce more puke inciting material, but it's all for the love of the club. And fans.

Every opinion is just as valid as the next, long live the Everton brotherhood 💙💙

Here's to a win this weekend and here's to you all...ETID

Which Artificial Intelligence platform did you use ?🤣🤣🤣

That explains a lot!

Good luck in the rugby my jackeen friend!

God Bless Seamus!

Get yourself over for a home game and I’ll treat you to a pint of Guinness in shenanigans - the best pint outside of Dublin.

AI can't understand the brogue then. Cork, Tipperary, Belfast & Derry are safe...so.

Moyes was the most rewarded individual courtesy of Kenwright (not that I know anything provable about Kenwright's "liaison" with other benefactors-at-our-expense, such as Philip Green and lord only knows who else), and has now racked up a merely numeric management record second only to multi-trophy winners Wenger and Whisky-Nose (yeah right - YAWN!).

He's always been a bottom of the barrel manager - yet the football media industry, and some of us, seem to now exalt him!

Weird.

I know the words but the tune eludes me. Was it a 90's hit?

I ask 'cos my daughter is studying the Ancient kind in Edinburgh and is looking for something to do afterwards.

Current flavour of the month is Classical Reception Studies (WTF is that?) but is also looking off-piste at Comparative Literature, Creative Writing and Social Anthropology.

Any advice as to how they gel?

Brendan #113, I just need a hint. Is a merely numeric management record played at 33, 45 or 78?

I'm what we call an early modern historian Eric, 1520-1700 roughly.

Word of warning to your daughter. I love that she is doing what she is doing (I have a couple of good historian mates up at Edinburgh, Prof. Adam Fox), but its getting slaughtered by cuts like the humanities in general. Cardiff Uni (top 20 Uni) is making its entire Ancient History department redundant and closing it down.

If she wants to write then she should follow her heart Eric but creative writing while immediately satisfying might have a success rate of producing full-time writers like our academy.

But if she has in mind to do another degree and look for work then, it's well known that the legal profession, for example, value the qualities and skills of interpretation, making arguments with evidence, verbal and written articulation that good students pick up in humanities course like history, English, literature.

It might still be the case that legal professionals, as was the case 20 years ago, often prefer historians/literature folk who do a law conversion course to students who purely study law.

Her preferred course at Aberdeen has been scrapped so she's looking for something offbeat to complement / supplement her studies that would be "fun".

1520 to 1700 eh, the only bit of history I know of them times is that's when the pubs used to be closed back in the bad old days and we use to have to spend the afternoons in The Ebo, Jamaica House or the cathedral graveyard.

You've managed to reel quite a few of us in. None more so than Paul (nothing-gets-past-me) Ferry...I'm stick trying to count the number of levels you did him on.

Bless you Crooks you gullible easy prey if a message from the central character is erm good enough confirming evidence for you. But good for you old man:

"You're wrong fellas I didn't authorise the holocaust and here's my post to prove it where I said that I didn't. Get behind Moyes. Adolf. COYB"

It's bot generated Crooks, no doubt about that. You're too old to understand the subtleties and methods but that's understandable.

Shall we tally the sceptical posters and compare that number with the erm wave behind botty Macmillan? And erm the decisive intervention born from bitterness from a fella called Crooks and, even better, the loudest Yank on here.

The prosecution drops its case m'laud because the defendant said he was not guilty.

Only a naive gullible fool would believe that Crooks.

But keep on keeping on Mr. Crooks, oh and the loudest Yank we know - 31 million .....

If this is a computer generated piece to wind up a section of the support, then it had an effect.

If it is actually your writings, then that confuses me slightly. Each to their own opinion; totally, regardless of age group.

But ……

if, like me, and as you tell us, your heyday was watching the 80s team, you are likely to have also grown up on tales of the 60s team before the nearly men of the 70s.

So with that in mind, l find your expectations for Everton and the fawning over the current manager unusual. Opinions are generally, but not 100% generational.

Anyway, back to the here and now. Massive match tomorrow, and as has been the case since the appointment, we’ll all be behind the team regardless of view.

You had everyone running round in circles, both pro and con Mr Moyes.

Looking forward to your follow-up piece "Who's the Daddy" after we beat Leicester.

It was hilarious that you responded to the OP in post 1 and 5 only to come back in post 62 to tell us you have a built in radar which instantly recognises "bot generated work".

Be honest. You jumped on Liam's band wagon and until he posted his suspicions at post 54 the thought clearly hadnt even occurred to you because you had posted five times without even mentioning it.

Still think the students would run rings around Ray ?

Travelling over tomorrow so all thoughts on the game now to ensure we remain where we belong in the top tier, and contrary to Alan's view, actually start to challenge again at some point in the future.

COYB

It is only natural now hanging above the relegation zone, the result of that 30 plus years, that there is scepticism,as the fox is back in the chicken coup.

But maybe Moyes has learnt and glad of the second chance to prove the ones in his own words who think there is a glass ceiling to what he achieves.

The jury will be out till that is proved wrong.

And, hmmmmm. it wasn't students would run rings about Ray but erm another name, I believe. Not Ray. Who the fuck is Ray? Go and check. And yes I still definitely believes that students would run rings around JAMES whose name you got wrong - you couldn't make it up - who didn't respond, by the way, pretty significant in your timeframe for responding,

Keep on clutching keeping on Col lad.

Leave AI to us and go and have a pot of tea with hobnobs to nibble and daytime TV and a warm blanket over your knees.

Can I play you every week?

Anyway 3 wins Saturday Coyb…..

Alan, whatever your reasons for writing this (with that fabulously funny title - intended or not), it has sparked a very entertaining thread.

The reason it didnt occur to you to mention it in your first five posts is because you are on different time lines ????? Think about what you are saying son. You are making a bigger fool of yourself with every post.

BTW "who the fuck is Ray ?"

Ray is the guy you offered to give "coaching on how to spot a Bot" (post 67). He like everyone else must be laughing his head off, if this thread is any indication as to your highly tuned ability.

You havent just been sent down County road. You've been sent down Wessie. Down Scottie and into town for a couple of sky hooks.

Sorry Raymond. I took the liberty of shortening your name. Wont happen again.

I've always let her go with her heart which is why she's doing Ancient History, much to the disdain of her mother! So much so that I am self-funding her overseas fees and maintenance expenses :-0

65 Who's the Daddy.I fancy Alan is having a chuckle.

I do agree with some of his sentiments though.

ABSOLUTELY. Rock solid. Watertight. No ambiguity. The proof beyond any reasonable doubt. The case is sealed. Job done. Fox knows his stuff and, phew, thankfully, is not a Moyessiah.

Keep on keeping on Crooksy.

Word in the ear. You may never have travelled but the time difference does matter when it comes to zzzz my landlocked GMT friend.

Can I play you every week?

Because I'm cough somewhat smart and well hopelessly socialist empathetic and sympathetic, perhaps it would make me a better person to ignore you Crooksy from now on? That's what I'll do. In my world I'm used to robust constructed responses that I have to seriously evaluate and respect. So goodbye Mr Crooks, farewell. It's a shame that I will not play you every week.

I probably should do the same with the loudest yet the nearly always wrong Yank that we know.

Forgive me Eric, are you down under? That's a shitload of money and great parents mate.

Any of those will do but you have to play it backwards.

Daughter has had schooling at international schools all her life so no recourse to local fees, or even student loans.

Although I can confuse foreigners with my pronouncing of werk, cewk bewk, and lewk.

Despite two victories I for one will take Moyes on a day to day basis.

He has all the same problems right now that Dyche had and it's fair to say he will need new players especially up front for next season.

Whilst bemoaning the loss of Mangala we have to hope that the return of Garner and soon Tim Irregbonum will temper that loss.
Added to that I think young Amstrong won't let us down if needed.

Moving away has given me the time and the headspace to write some articles, from what a lot of you lads are saying, I needn't bother me hole. Unless it's just the creepy headline.

Anyway, UTFT and here's to another win later against those gobshite foxes

You keep posting your articles mate, I look forward to the next one.

As I said, it was tongue I cheek, a deliberate overreaction to two wins in a row and a desperate lunge at a glimmer of hope.

No doubt we'll be brought down to earth by the pig Michael Oliver.

Anyway,

As I write this we are winning 3-0 and beto on a hat trick

Or so AI instructs me

That Police song hit Thatcher hard, and rightly so.

I don't care about your pro forma string of denials. They are the oldest trick in the book to get off the hook: X who did this denied it; Y who did this denied it; Z who did this denied it. And still, there are one or two people on here who take X, Y, and Z’s words as Gospel.

This is one of the more bizarre justifications I’ve heard for a fair while: “Moving away has given me the time and the headspace to write some articles”. You see, in my opinion and that’s all it is, it was better for you to own your bot rather than seek in one post after another to claim that this sickly saccharine homage is the considered gushy outpouring of someone who has “moved away”.

You are in classic style in between a rock and a hard place: a botty piece of puke or a piece of stomach-churning hagiography.

Perhaps the funniest element of this thread, however, is the old fella writing about something he does not understand who shows the desperate cockroachey lengths that the desperate will sink to in their pale efforts to try and land a feathery blow in a matter where said old fella is completely opposed to everything in the R2-D2 generated OP.

He's still swinging because he hasnt realised his imaginary audience had shuffled away cringing with embarrassment at his last post back in January.

"I'm cough somewhat smart".

I'm cough saying nothing

Perhaps the funniest element of this thread, however, is the old fella writing about something he does not understand who shows the desperate cockroachey lengths that the desperate will sink to in their pale efforts to try and land a feathery blow in a matter where said old fella is completely opposed to everything in the R2-D2 generated OP.

Alan, keep writing. Genuinely. As some have mentioned, it's generated a lot of varied and interesting debate.

I can't recall if it was this thread or another (too many!), but the question as to whether Moyes still comes on the pitch to oversee the warm ups. I've not noticed it, but in the early days of his first tenure, he used to be on the pitch. I was at his first game in charge, home to Fulham when Unsworth scored within a minute.

As for the 70s teams, I was very young, so there will be others will have more detailed recollections. I used to find myself in awe of the towering stands, well they were to a 5 - 9 year old.

We had some decent league finishes, nearly won the League Cup and had some players who are remembered fondly. Andy King (that goal), Bob Latchford, Duncan McKenzie, Mick Lyons; there will be some I've probably missed a few. A favourite of mine was the keeper, George Wood.

Don't ask me if he was any good, a bit before my ability to judge players!! It's mainly because I met him going into the players entrance at Goodison and he stopped for a photo with me, which I still have.

Since his return Moyes comes on the pitch to watch our players warm up, he takes no part in it just watches, and also looks at what the opposition are doing. During his first stint he did do the warm ups. He has done this for every game at home, don't know if he does it at away games.

See you there Mark. Drop me a message.

Dave I watched it on a dodgy tv feed and it went close up so definitely Moyes.

At Brighton I thought it was Alan Irvine but it was deffo Moyes before Leicester.

I might not subscribe to your views but the resultant meltdown by the forum infant was pure comedy gold. I'm sure he thinks his idiocy is a gift.

Why was everything beige, brown or a shade of orange in the 70s? Even carpets and wallpaper!!

I can't recall Dave Thomas, although I must has watched him. His name has come up in a few conversations.

He did play for Scotland but I think he got dropped after a drubbing? (Against England?)

UTFT

Correction - just checked. He played 4 games for Scotland and was in the team that England beat 3-1.

A center forwards dream

Mark, Eamon O'Keefe. I didn't get that close but alway remember stood with my Dad right behind the goal near the front of the Gwladys Street. Howard Kendall, then player manager, had brought himself on and put a ball through. He then went on to give Eamon some "advice" on what he should have done!!

I don’t know why he was there but I remember the trainer trying to make a point that it was better to let teams shoot from about 30 yards out, so sometimes it was better to just let them shoot, rather than look to keep playing and getting closer to the goal.

“George what do you prefer” he asked? “Ah yeh, I definitely prefer them shooting from far out” - he replied, and then added under his breath with a smile, “I can’t see the fuckn thing either way”

That’s my biggest memory of Georgie Wood, possibly the finest Scottish goalie, I have ever seen😂

Tony #177, your anecdotes are always beauties.

“Of Bob’s 30 goal season he assisted 12 of the goals, 10 on his head, of which 7 directly from set pieces (6 corners and 1 free kick). By comparison, Everton’s best assister-goalscorer partnership in the Premier League – every season combined– was Leighton Baines setting up Tim Cahill 11 times.” I’m guessing the latter part is still correct.

Bob Latchford, no wonder he was my oldest cousin's hero. Now well into his 60s, in fact I think his 70th may be next year.

He always talks about his escapades following Everton in the 70s with fondness.

I know you said you're over, or planning to be over Autumn / Fall time. Any idea when? I appreciate it's early days.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/uk-47258619.amp