Everton fan handed lifetime ban at Bramley-Moore Dock after stealing food

Extortionate prices = legalised theft, for a lot of people, especially if there are going to be a lot of cheaper places to eat and drink as time goes by

Going back to the original post, no pity whatsoever for someone to actually film themselves, then share the video of them stealing food online, pretty sure in the near future he will be appearing on one of those dumbest videos complication on tv.

Those on here in this and other threads who have hung this fella out to dry might more productively and usefully spend their time complaining to the club about high pricing. But there will be more after him.

He's done wrong, but the punishment need not be excessive when there are predators roaming the streets, knife and gun crime. I think there are more important things to worry about.

If, as reported, he's 62, then he should know better. Especially documenting the "crime".

On prices, I suppose we'll just have to get used to it as part of the objective of turning BMD into a revenue generator. It's. no different than a lot of the stadiums you visit around the country. £15 for fish and chips at Brighton, £3000 for a corporate season ticket at Fulham.

Of course in the interim, Everton has to be conscious of it's traditional fan base, but we have to move on and catering will be part of that.

From the 'traditional fan base' Danny?

I'm one of the natives but have to travel from London. It's not uncommon for a home match to cost me £150-£200 with travel, ticket and spends.

That's not me bragging, but Everton only get about £50 of that from me. If I do manage to get served at half time (my recent Park End experience was much better), push that up to £60 at best.

Like most, before and after the match, supporters follow their habitual routine in the pubs and eateries in and around Goodison.

The new stadium, as well as being the spectacle it is, will change that over time.

We're OK mate, me and you, but my hunch is that significant parts of the 'traditional fan base' are not. So, we go West London and price them out and get the tourists in. This is morally wrong in exactly the same dimensions as corporate footy is damaging.

You seem on the side of irresistible commercial progress Danny that has just arbitrarily moved 600 ST holders from their ace spot below the directors to somewhere most of them do not know yet. And let's charge 13 quid for a pie.

I am not. How about Everton we set aside 500 seats for the low-waged, unemployed, NHS workers at realistic rates?

Nah, I thought not.

Fuck Rupert's Tower. Lets name A MEMBERS ONLY PLAZA BOOZER OUT OF IT.

In the same way the our stadium's design and setting empathised with the TRADITIONAL docklands, why not make an effort to extend a hand to those who feel excluded?

Does anyone think that Yank profit greedy obsessed TFG give a shit if it's a scouser or true blue from anywhere like that brilliant West Country Blues coach or a tourist or a Big Brother/Britain's Got Talent 'celebrity' who pass through the turnstile?

Of course they fecking don't.

Fuck, they'll move 'THE FRANCHISE' to another city for more evil dollars if they could in years ahead and campaign for no relegation and higher catering prices in layered packages.

Sorry Danny and others, I meant to add Old Trafford

I know there are some who are not as fortunate and although I think we should maximise the opportunity the new stadium presents, it does need to be mindful of the match going supporter. As I say, it's about striking a balance.

And sort out our marketing and branding. It has fallen woefully short for years.

I think Fulham have got the right balance. Pay top wedge if you want or can, but many areas of the ground remain traditional. Check out their Riverside Hospitality in the new Riverside Stand.

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David @16, using Fulham, they tend to attract the rich and famous residents of London who want to attend a Premier League match maybe once or twice. Brighton has capitalised on there Japanese player and I was surrounded by many of them at the recent fixture. All with 2 or more shopping bags from the club store. But will they be there if and when the player leaves?

Everton need to do better commercially, but not to the detriment of very loyal supporters. Not at all costs. No pun intended.

Edit: just saw you last Paul. The franchise thing probably wouldn't work here. It was bad enough when destination Kirkby was mentioned. Even though voted for, it took the efforts of Fan Groups to put pressure on the club to abandon it. Although the club's inability to generate funds probably was as big a contributing factor.

The original Wimbledon tried it. There was talk of moving to Cardiff at one point, before settling on Milton Keynes. Now we have MK Dons and a reborn Wimbledon in their new stadium on the site of the former Plough Lane.

Premier League football is often terrible value for the experience. The quality of the football is massively overrated compared with other top leagues around Europe (hence we don't win all the European trophies each year). The price of tickets (along with travel) is astronomical for what you get.

Hopefully TFG will work hard at this so that Everton still feels like Everton - but their main focus will be on commercial revenues and global as well as local appeal.

If this happened, it would actually alleviate the issue of everyone leaving at the same time, be that to go straight home, or to spend their money elsewhere. Everyone has a budget, but the club will be focussed on trying to convince them to spend it within the club and its facilities.

Yes, as Robert alludes to, a sad reality, but if we want to compete, it all starts with revenue. Be that from owners, TV income or match day revenue.

A very good point Robert. We need to modernise, but never forget our roots, heritage, and most importantly, our supporters.

The TFG Yanks don't give a shit about the 'average' fan despite that pathetic orchestrated and scripted so far only communication with us where they said they love and will respect the responsibility of us and our traditions.

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They're dollar Franchise whores, right Mike - don't worry they're super commercial/financial sharks - Gaynes?

I don’t think he was one of our highly paid players but he was paying back and appreciating what football had done for him——I think a lot of highly paid footballers all over the country could give a thought to what Steven Naismith did along with the owners of clubs.

The money side of thing is obscene really. Salah is now on a £480,000 per week wage - and Van Dijk is on £385,000 per week.

After all the contracts expire in June, as things stand our three top earners will be:

Pickford - £125k pw
Tarkowski - £90k pw
Mykolenko - £58k pw

Puts some perspective on it.

The money side of thing is obscene really. Salah is now on a £480,000 per week wage - and Van Dijk is on £385,000 per week.

After all the contracts expire in June, as things stand our three top earners will be:

Pickford - £125k pw
Tarkowski - £90k pw
Mykolenko - £58k pw

Puts some perspective on it.

Given that he’s 62 and is eating takeaway chicken strips, a lifetime ban will probably work out at about 3 years for this fella.

The red cousins had to go to extreme lengths to keep them two players, because the loss of them, coupled with Alexander-Arnold would have seriously impacted them.

It won't happen this summer and we will have to be pragmatic and calculated in our signings. That doesn't mean we can't be ambitious, just clever.

If you think that's bad - how about the wages paid to those who hardly play like:

Reiss Nelson £100k pw
Tyrone Mings £100k pw
Ben Davies £80k pw
Fraser Forster £75k pw
Ben Godfrey £75k pw
Patson Daka £75k pw
Johnny Evans £65k pw
Tom Heaton £45k pw

And my favourite, Mason Mount on £250k pw.

Danny’s right. The fan base as a whole has some financial realities to consider, such as changing their match day habits to (further) benefit the club.

Hopefully various fan groups are passing on any concerns over the pricing. Perhaps it’s going to be a trial and error scenario with the club needing to adjust the prices if they are simply too much for most to bear. Hopefully they won’t be stubborn enough to end up throwing away perfectly good food because they have mis-judged the market.

Sometimes, though, you have to be prepared to pay a bit of a premium to get to keep what you like. I guess some people only ever tip a certain amount; I will go up from my ‘standard’ if I felt it was deserved. Likewise, I’ll pay more than I could elsewhere to support a local shop that I particularly appreciate.

Being prepared to cheat the ones you are actually supposed to be supporting? That’s active betrayal. The guy wasn’t going to perish from starvation if he didn’t eat there and then was he. That also applies to using a dodgy media service that pays nothing to your club or bunking in without paying. You are simply taking without giving, acting in your own self-interest.

The guy seemed very slick (with a catchphrase to boot) for it to be an isolated and spontaneous theft. Unless I find out different I will not be shedding any tears for him.

Bargain!!!

Source: New York Times.

The prices are well advertised before you make your purchase so there were no surprises at the test events and I can tell you that there was an absolute roaring trade with queues at every available till.

There's not a cat in hell's chance that the prices will be reduced, IMHO, it'll be a case of buy or don't buy. But having seen, and bought (probably a one off), with my own eyes there'll be plenty who will buy.

In an ideal world the prices would be relatively cheap and the choice wide. We don't live in an ideal world and we have to accept, whether we like it or not, that a new stadium's prices will be high.

I'm not saying it's right or wrong, and won't get into an argument about it, I'm merely saying that's how it is and that's how it's going to be.

By the way you're not forced to either eat or drink at the stadium and I sometimes wonder how people can't go without food or drink for an hour and a half of football. I bought food as a one off, it being a special occasion.

We had the same sort of reaction with the pricing of the season tickets for the new stadium. I dread to think what the reaction will be like when THEY increase steeply over the next few seasons.

I have already made a few choices over the years and when it came to boycotting away games that had been chosen for live television, I haven’t been missed, simply because Everton, sell out everywhere, so whilst there is demand, then the prices will definitely keep on rising.

Social crime, I didn’t know there was a justifiable term for it Paul, but I’m only speaking for myself when I use the word “justifiable” because I absolutely hate, what I sometimes regard as legalised theft.

Can’t get a ticket anywhere and although the match isn’t on any normal television channels, I’m not going to watch on a dodgy stream because that would be cheating the club? Come on Si, surely even Jesus Christ, himself, would tell you to stop being silly and just watch the team you love!

I haven't bought a thing from Goodison for years, it's the least they can offer for the most money. The home baked concession in the fan zone is as good as it gets but knowing I am eating a shankly pie puts me off buying them.

Maybe we should have a food concession for social conscience where the price you pay for a pie is the actual price it cost to make. A non profit making pie stall. There will be a queue of socialist pie makers raring to make pies for their comrades.

There are 13000 new suckers or fans every week who will quite happily pay £12 for some food and £10 for a pint just to say they have enjoyed the experience.

The idiot who robbed the food would have done so regardless of price. He got his wish to be the first person to rob from the new site and boasted proudly to the world. He is also first to be banned an accolade he and his family can be proud of.

You'll take more pride watching those young Evertonians than the match. I do.

Fools like me remember what it felt like. The lost generation don't. But their dedication and enthusiasm to the blues puts me to shame. And keeps motivating me that we will be back.

I was brought up paying on the turnstile, standing on the Park End/Enclosure.

Times have changed. Schoolboys can't afford to go to the match on their pocket money.

Stadia cost megabucks and players earn massive wages.

However, the TV money tends to fund most of it.

I would have liked a 70,000 capacity so that there would be scope for occasional fans(like myself) to be able to purchase tickets now and again.

52,000 is only around Goodison's old capacity of 54,000 in the seventies.

As for the expensive refreshments, I wonder what the club are charging the concessions for their booths?

Would it have been better to pop in a couple of Wetherspoons and keep it cheap?

The place would be heaving for longer.

The food and drink has always been shite at Goodison and every other ground I've been to.

Are people allowed to take sarnies inand plastic bottles?

When I was a kid I rarely missed a home game and had my speck on the lower Gwladys st, paying at the turnstiles. I’d have a pint of bitter before the game and, occasionally a greasy pork pie at half time.

I didn’t go to the game for a gourmet meal. I’d eat before leaving home then have my tea when I got back and read the pink echo to see the match report.

I suppose it’s a generational thing. People want to watch the match in comfort. Have great views. Good Wi-Fi. A wide selection on food and beverages etc… I just wanted to watch the footy and avoid getting my head kicked in on my way home.

It's market segmentation. The visitors from out of town won't know how to find the local places and might not wish to take their chances mixing it up with footy fans getting in the mood for the match. So they pay the premium. If you know better you don't have to. You have to vote with your feet sometimes, claiming a crime is justified there were clear options in the wider marketplace is giving cover to bad behavior which deserves the sanction applied.

As for the fella who wizzed his chicken dinner if he could the price of admission he could afford the dinner.

When I worked on the recently demolished hospital on Prescott St. an electrician was read from the Echo about a fella who got caught wizzing two packets of bacon from the Co-op and saying what a disgrace it was, another fella listening to him said that maybe the fella was brassic and hungry that’s why he took the bacon then added on to the fella reading out the article that he had taken half a bag of cement off the site the other night and asked him if he had paid for it—— that shut him up, so there is stealing and other types of stealing which we don’t think of as stealing— you know what I mean like.

However, he does have a large back pocket on his shorts and normally keeps Salah inside it. Depends what you want - an extra forward or a decent defender.

Legally I think everyone would agree with you Curt, but privately I think a lot of people would feel justified about stealing something that you are being completely ripped off for.

If the club, are making a 500% profit on something that is taken for free, they are definitely not losing as much as the paying customer! That has always been justification in my book, and it was probably embedded into me growing up in Thatcher’s Britain.

John@42, sums it up best for me

TFG may turn out to be ruthless operators that misjudge the marketplace. Let's not indict them without a fair discussion of the overall market they are in. They deserve more consideration than the gringo because it is a vastly more complex area to operate.

BTW, I think it might be first order price discrimination not segmentation, for what that's worth.

He did it because he's an arsehole.

There may well be times when theft is done in absolute desperation. This wasn't one of them.

I was living in Seoul when Spurs bought the then unknown Son, the whole country went crazy about supporting Spurs. Even Reading had a following as they had a Korean player in the squad.

The national telly featured those teams every week, and Utd. who had Park. I've just left Indonesia where they follow Blackpool who have a national player in the team.

And did we do the same with Li Tie?

Knowing our luck EPL would deduct points for association with China and extra points for his corruption sentence.

Happy Holy Easter Dave.

Eric, I often wonder why we didn't capitalise on Tim Cahill in Australia and Tim Howard in the US.

David, they already do. That's why their "Scouse not English" thing almost amuses me. Almost. They are a stage bunch.

Presuming he has already paid for next seasons ST then the fine is not £12.50 but getting on for approx £812.50, depending where his seat was.

I don't know why but I felt slightly affronted by the email this week asking to me vote for a pub name that I, unless I win the lottery will never be able to afford to visit! (I voted for The Southall Arms)

Tony, you accept that a business needs to make profits if it is to grow / invest for the future don’t you? I’m not a fan of unchecked capitalism but that food has to make enough money to pay for the raw materials, the ‘cost’ of the premises / equipment, utilities, wages of the staff and then something on top. Of course the ‘something on top’ shouldn’t be excessive / larceny / simple profiteering.

But how can we judge ‘excessive’ at the moment?

The current club owners have forked out an enormous sum just to take over the club and will need legitimate revenue streams to ultimately invest in the team.

There is a way to go before we can denounce them as simple money grabbers. If they channel those profits into making the team truly competitive and winning something then won’t that seem like a fair use of the profit?

It would be nice to see some concessions for pensioners, perhaps a loyalty scheme (buy at five different games get the sixth one free) and if the club has got its pricing horribly wrong I would expect an appropriate adjustment. I wouldn’t rely on behaviour during the test events to persist. A lot of people would probably treat themself on such a special occasion.

Don’t resort to stealing though. Just go without for a short period of time. Do they frisk people and confiscate small quantities of snacks? Is it impossible to smuggle in a hip flask in case the spectacle on the pitch drives you to drink?

I wish there was a lot more people like Steven Naismith, in the game but I suppose football has always reflected life at that time, more than anything else?

I haven’t got a gripe with the Friedkin’s, but if I stopped and thought about it long enough, It probably wouldn’t interest me if I never watched another footballer, who was earning more than ten grand a week🤷‍♂️

I do like this as Si for the first time on this thread is giving us all practical suggestions for how we might:

(1) resist the temptation to go all light fingers and worry about purgatory and as a result spend money on indulgences

(2) save some money

(3) choose what we eat or drink (a sneaky Greggs sausage roll or proper pork pie under a bobble; a home-made sarnie wrapped up in a scarf; sushi or small charcuterie board down the keks under cover of jacket (not an option in August); a souffle in deep jacket pocket; an assortment of fine artisan cheeses with rustic bread in carrier bag with Everton goodies in it.

and (4) give us some of the hard stuff (hip flask in deep jacket pocket or stuffed down keks) to get us through pace Arsenal at the Emirates, our dreadful start at the new stadium.