Carlo Ancelotti sheds further light on his surprising move from Everton to Real Madrid

Fair enough in one way, but tell it like it is.

Took out nearly £20M (suing the club in the process) for 18 months work, which resulted in two mid-table finishes. When you look at his buys, you can probably add another £80M to the deficit.

It took Moyes about 7 years of Top 6 finishes to get the same pay out with a zero budget, and people still say he stuffed the fans so he could fill his boots.

And that's what we get in his crappy little book, him calling up Madrid to wheedle for his old job: 'Please don't go through a tunnel!'... Gobshite.

“Who?”

“Me.”

Prick.

More of a success grabbing gobshite, Sean, money was no issue for him here.

He couldn't do it at Everton. One thing he did right was get Calvert-Lewin scoring.

I've no respect for the guy. He will have known the club was bollocksed financially.

And if I remember correctly, he had a clause in his contract allowing him to leave if they came for him?

Either way, all too coincidental for me.

Not sure why it bothers anyone.

As it is, he's a slimy, two-faced, wonky-eyebrowed shitbag.

Class that 🤣

"Gobshite" and "shitbag"?

Give me a break.

Welcome to the real world, people.

“With Everton, I felt very good. Then Madrid called me and it was difficult to say ‘no'.”

As I say, shitbag.

I recall he also sued us for breaching his contract and we settled, perhaps foolishly.

I appreciate people also lie and try to enrich themselves but, if they do, don't expect people to admire them. Not in the real world.

“The next day, I was on a train when my phone rang. I looked at the screen and saw that it was Florentino Pérez...

Or a player, for that matter.

"It was in search of such players that I got on the phone to Real Madrid, asking if they had anyone whom I could take on loan."

During that call, he disclosed he put his name forward, having first checked out Real Madrid had lost their preferred options. Only then did Perez phone him back.

I'm okay with people putting themselves first, it happens in life. I'm not okay people claiming Carlo didn't do this. I'm even less okay with Carlo pretending for some time he didn't do this, while he sued us.

No laws broken here but we are perfectly entitled to call him out for his lies and well, betrayal.

Shitbag.

They got rid of 8 players that summer including two sent out on loan. So yeah, Carlo is lying. Moreover, what kind of recruitment strategy is calling a random club asking if they have any unwanted players? Particularly as Carlo's job didn't include recruitment.

Beyond that is the small fact we know we had no money for signings -- as proved by Rafa being limited to a few freebies, and offloading James as we couldn't pay his wages.

But nice of Carlo to also cast aspersions on the players he left behind by creating intrigue around the identity of the alleged slackers.

;-)))

The most successful manager in recent football history, and he proved his worth with 2 CLs and 2 La Ligas after his departure.

It took him a few months to realise that he had been hired by charlatans and told a pack of lies. The funds promised for future signings had evaporated and he knew it.

If you find yourself working for a crap employer, you leave.

I was just saying that technically Real Madrid did call him... I think I was probably amusing myself with that comment stating the obvious. Appreciate as a stand-alone comment it's a waste of time...

I was supposed to add that the fact that he started the process does put a different perspective on the whole event.

Carlo describes it as ‘unexpected' but if you've followed this club long enough, you know the unexpected is the expectation. Madrid get Champions League, we get Rafael Benítez, a previous RS manager. Truly, the circle of life.

Let me think. 🤔

And are Managers not subject to "tapping up" rules, one for us another for them, but (of a kind) contractors all?

Anyone know how much the mentioned compensation was?

It is like being offered a job working for Apple in their HQ in California while you are working in Comet in Knowsley.

Who can blame him?

No suggestion that he was unhappy at Everton but, as some have posted... it was Real Madrid.

I meant to say 'Madrid get Champions League, we get Rafael Benítez, a previous Real Madrid manager. Truly, the circle of life.'

As Paul states 'Real Madrid or Everton'

That's a tough choice.

I don't mind at all... but I'm still very upset that Wayne Rooney left us.

And some think he's a genius.

What about a manager who was one of the highest paid managers in Europe and had been at his club for 11 years but then got an offer from another club

He kept it to himself, and possibly his chairman, for 3 or 4 months, then resigned from that job and prevented his club from getting compensation.

He increased the offer he was made by the club he joined because they didn't have to pay the said compensation —- that sat and sits well with a big majority of Everton fans at the moment!

Being honest, I'm glad Ancelotti went back to Real Madrid because he stopped those bastards across the park from winning two Champions League finals, so thanks very much for that, Carlo! That did us a lot more good when you were managing Real Madrid than you did whilst you were managing Everton!

I tend to agree with you, Kieran @20, but you do know what Carlo's answer would be to what you wrote in paragraph two, mate!

Yes, ironically, I was relieved to see Carlo go at the time, even if I was angry at how he did it. He still had 3 years to go on that monster contract at £11M a year, and I don' t think he was shaping up to sort things out.

I thought there was a real danger he was going to force us to sack him, which at the time we definitely could not afford. It does show, though, what a tough job Everton is, if Carlo was starting to fire blanks. It really is a hospital pass.

We've been bad for so long. That's why Davey needs to be cut some slack with the current form (which is still miles better than this time last season).

Dave, he honoured his contract. That's what you're supposed to do, isn't it? He was by any metric an outstanding employee of Everton FC. We know this cos of what happened after he left.

If Moyes was by any metric an outstanding employee of Everton, it shows me that both him and Bill Kenwright did an absolutely fantastic job of changing the narrative and bringing in a new era, an era with a lot lower expectation.

Moyes's notes the day before the Liverpool game have had a profound effect on me, Kevin, and have left me with a feeling that he hasn't really changed, mate.

I can accept this because it doesn't mean he can't do a decent job under our current circumstances but, when I read him saying that we were a lot closer to Liverpool than we had ever been just before he left for Man Utd, it filled me with a lot of disdain and dread if I'm being honest, Kevin.

The disdain was because I think it was obvious that Liverpool were actually regressing and the dread was because any manager that was genuinely hungry for success (actually wanting to win things) should have surely been aware of this.

I want Moyes to break his duck and win something for Everton but I'm genuinely not sure he understands Everton enough to do this. I hope I'm wrong but I don't think he really see's Everton as the club it once was (maybe not his fault having had an absolute charlatan like Kenwright accepting 7th for good reason).

If he did, he would understand there have been many times that Everton have been the greatest club in the land, and being "The Best of the Rest" wasn't always acceptable to many of us.

”He was an outstanding employee of Everton by any metric, we know this cos of what happened after he left — Jesus we finished 12th and what would have happened if he had stayed— God only knows,

I could make a very good guess of why he took the job and maybe it was written in his contract that he could leave Everton if he got another offer which was more acceptable to him it didn't take him bleedin' very long to get one.

An outstanding employee of Everton FC — yes, except when it came to big games and games away versus the top four — and he fluffed many games at Goodison by his “too frightened to go for a win and aim for a draw” philosophy, for fuck's sake.

Martinez: the only manager to attempt to turn us into a big club despite an uncompetitive budget. Benefited from the squad inherited from Moyes. But not good enough to pull it off with financial backing.

Koeman: did okay with a decent squad initially but saw us (correctly) as a shambles and wasn't really interested.

Silva: good manager undermined by bizarre and unlucky recruitment. Lost his nerve when the going got tough.

Ancelotti: outstanding manager but it was all smoke and mirrors. The wheels had already started to come off. A poor vanity appointment.

Benitez: probably saved us with the best £1.7m the club may have ever spent on Gray and Townsend. But also a disaster.

Lampard: cheered everyone up enough to dig deep and stay up but fairly useless, amateurish manager.

Dyche: an excellent fit for a club in unprecedented turmoil and extreme cost-cutting. Achieved miracles for 18 months with a club that should have been relegated in that period. Ran out of steam.

Moyes: cheered everyone up enough to pick up form last season. Still a good fit for the rebuild but reminded everyone what he was like first time around.

The next guy should inherit a good squad and have a decent budget. That bodes well.

Moyes surely can't be blamed for how Kenwright ran the club. It wasn't his decision not to have a transfer budget. They were a double act only insofar as Moyes's good work allowed the pressure to stay off Bill, but he can hardly be blamed for that.

Robert,

I'm not sure those summaries of the candidates do justice to how much better Moyes was than the others. Moyes never seems to get full credit for his work.

Just think to last season, he took that effing dreadful Dyche team, and then got us away victories at Palace Brighton Newcastle and Fulham. Even now, I can't quite believe he did that -- but that uplift was instantly banked with barely a round of applause.

He probably needed to start lower, as he is doing now. Coventry are doing well, and scoring the holy grail: "Goals".

I thought Koeman was the reason we turned into a shambles and went downhill until the new owners arrived in the summer. Moshiri gave him an open cheque book, and he spent massive money on average players for big money on big contracts.

They nearly all stayed until their contract was up, because no one else would offer the same wages. As Big Dunc said in his book, he kept offering more and more money for Sigurdsson, eventually paying £45M for a player no other club were bidding for?

He signed three Number 10s, sold the best striker we ever had in the Premier League, and played without a Number 9. Moshiri never gave the subsequent managers the same budget again.

Would Moyes have got more than 4 or 5 years without winning under any other Chairman? I personally don't think so... and I believe that this is something that perhaps David doesn't quite understand?

A double act is how I viewed them by the end, Kevin, and it's why I decided never to attend Goodison Park ever again after the embarrassing Quarterfinal FA Cup loss to Wigan whilst those two were in bed with each other, mate.

I was weaning myself off slowly because I continued to attend all the away games, and then suddenly, out of the blue, Moyes, told everyone he had been approached by Sir Alex. I just wish he could have taken his partner in lowering expectations with him.

Has Allardyce upset you. Doesn't he warrant a mention!

He's not an elite coach in my view, just very good.

I don't believe Moyes would ever have been sacked, no matter who was chairman, for the simple reason he only ever balanced the books with transfers. He was never able to spend big, or able to spend big on a striker to bring us to the next level.

Rooney was the prime example, sold by Kenwright to keep us out of administration. Like Dave, my biggest gripe with Moyes was the sneaky way he left for Man Utd.

At times, he had a decent enough team to do so.

A very good coach will always believe he can win and will also work out a way to make sure he wins, sometimes, and that's why I don't believe Moyes is anything more than a decent manager.

Moyes got 11 years because his Chairman was skint, Christy, and neither of them would have lasted so long in any other Everton era, mate.

Nil Satis Nisi Optimum became obsolete whilst Bill continued to find David at least £5M a year to spend and David kept Everton punching above their weight.

Anyway, yesterday has gone, and all I want for Everton is a trophy.

Ancelotti's standing in the game no doubt brought the likes of James to the club which was wonderful yet that he could leave so easily and was seemingly doing transfer business when we had Brands at the club who was specifically there for that -- the club wasn't being professionally run, and I blame Kenwright and Moshiri for that.

You've probably heard that Davide Ancelotti was somewhat surprised to find Kenwright in transfer negotiations as it wasn't what he and his father were used to at bigger clubs. But he couldn't keep his nose out.

We should be more bitter that Beneathus was his replacement and that is something I will always blame the owners for.

The "cool" incident with the coffee v Spurs was cos Ferguson got him the drink cos he was so cold and Carlo was blowing it to get hot steam to his face.

Ancelotti was never staying at Everton beyond that season. It's in print.

So Duncan is correct and Carlo has got it wrong?

For a fee, of course.

The last season was the only season he did not get a team into European competition, because Everton did not want to face Uefa's Financial Fair Play rules. The whole club was mobilised to prevent this and there were players who did not put in effort.

This happened to managers prior to and after Carlo's arrival. To turn the club around would have been impossible given what happened in hindsight and the writing would have been on the wall for him.

The same attitude still exists to some extent at Everton, as do the players who will not put in the effort that Carlo talks about.

I was right when I saw his book for sale and didn't give it a second glance.

The book is open to legal challenge as it's in print. so let's see.

Also, the notion he was one of our best managers in an era played mainly behind closed doors, with defeats to some wretched opposition at home denying us a place in Europe, is a bit of a joke.

Ah, I get it, he has a good record against Liverpool and we won in an empty Anfield.

Are you saying Carlo should sue Dunc for suggesting he gave up on the Everton gig because of his ex-wife's illness?

I mean Duncan's version is a more sympathetic and a much less contentious spin on his departure, if true, compared to Carlo's dismissive... "It was Real".

You have to wonder why Carlo opted not to tell "this" truth in his book.

Carlo, while contriving an excuse for how it happened, admits he sought to leave. That's all we need to know.

Of course he stayed too long. But he's still outperformed anybody who came before and after him since the advent of football, and the 4th place we got in 2005 is still the best we've done in 33 years.

But sure. He's at fault for plucky Everton. Definitely not the relegation battles we narrowly avoided succumbing to, and definitely not the fact that the club was allowed to become a fucking retirement home for players like Gascoigne and Ginola to enrich themselves on at the club's expense.

For fuck's sake.

By the way, I just read something on another thread about how Moyes must think a lot of himself because he took the Man Utd job. So it's okay for Carlo to duck out on us after his exceptional 10th place finish, and bail on his contract "because it's Real Madrid", but not for Moyes to leave to go to Man Utd? That's logical...

Great post... wrong thread?

I said it because Moyes was brought up repeatedly on here.

But you're probably right. :)