Those who have been in the Lounges at Goodison Park on a match day when Bill Kenwright holds court will have seen how much the theatre impresario and former actor knows how to work a room. All smiles, hands on shoulders, stories of standing in the Boys’ Pen… this is “Chairman Bill” in his element as the mover, shaker and custodian of his beloved Everton Football Club.

Sadly, Mr Kenwright appears to be utterly incapable of reading the metaphorical room when it comes to appreciating the mood of the Everton fanbase; a fanbase that is crippled with fear that this famous old club might lose its treasured top-flight status this season as it continues to be mired in a relegation dogfight involving fewer and fewer combatants as the weeks go by.

Not content with using the club’s official 2021-22 accounts to inject some somewhat bitter retorts to criticism levelled at him by supporters for failing to grasp the mood with his infamous “good times” defence during an impromptu but deliberately engineered exchange with Evertonians in Goodison Road in January last year, the Chairman chose the eve of a hugely important fixture against Crystal Palace to release an open letter to the #AllTogetherNow campaign.

Baited into an unnecessary war of words, it’s an unprofessional missive that is by turn sarcastic, self-congratulatory and antagonistic. It's also, to a large degree, worryingly delusional and utterly devoid of any admission of failure or consequent accountability. Kenwright brushes off the Campaign’s concern over the impact his health may have on his ability to perform his duties at the club which are, he claims “relentless” and consume he and Moshiri “hourly”. Yet he contends at the outset that it is Denise Barrett-Baxendale who “runs the club” (which, from an operational standpoint, she does); it’s just that the responsibility for the strategic failings probably lie closer to home where Bill is concerned.

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At a time when supporters are desperate for some clarity on the funding of the remainder of the Everton Stadium, he makes a confusing reference to the state of the hierarchy’s ongoing search for investment. And he bristles at public criticism of Barrett-Baxendale, Finance Director, Grant Ingles, and playing legend, Graeme Sharp. (On that latter scores, he could have some justification. Sharp may have blotted his copybook by deriding the efforts of fans protesting for change but his position on the Board is effectively symbolic. The calls for Ingles’s removal, meanwhile, are born more from a desire on the part of some supporters to see a clean sweep of the executive level of the club than of any real knowledge of how much culpability he shares for the mess in which the Blues currently find themselves.)

All have, obviously, been the subject of calls from both NSNOW, the #AllTogetherNow movement and the associated pre-match protests to either step down from the Board or be removed by owner, Farhad Moshiri. But Kenwright insists that “the workrate, the desire to grow and improve and the loyalty to this Club and to Evertonians” among the members of “your” Board — as if we, the fans, chose them — is undiminished.

There’s a case for questioning the wisdom of the original references made in the #AllTogetherNow letter to Bill’s health and it clearly hit a nerve, but in his counterpunch, the Chairman actually makes the case for those agitating for change at the top of the club. The impetus behind the drive for modernising and upgrading the Board of Directors is to see younger, more energetic, more experienced and more professional people running the club. In expounding on his “chronic” health condition, the 77-year-old Kenwright merely strengthens the case for him to step aside.

Furthermore, his crowing about having finally captured a billionaire after a decade of searching — the cynical view is that he needed to find one who would allow him to remain as chairman; visible and integral, with a hand still on the tiller — would land harder if, new stadium notwithstanding, said billionaire hadn’t just spent the past seven years driving the club into the ground. It’s much easier to take potshots from the high ground but when the club of which you are chairman is up on charges of violating Premier League profitability and sustainability rules, has failed over two transfer windows to sign an effective goalscorer and is currently embroiled in an increasingly desperate fight for its top-flight survival, you lose a lot of credibility.

In that sense, his letter was a spectacular PR own goal (one that surely was only reluctantly pushed out by the club’s actual media team onto and without fanfare on the club’s social media channels) because what this club needs right now is leadership, not public bickering; genuine expertise and clear-eyed management, not the tone-deaf rantings of a narcissistic and emotionally wounded septuagenerian who seemingly can’t help but make everything about him.

The club also needs unity at what is a moment of genuine peril — from the terraces and the streets to the pitch, dugout and Boardroom — which makes his divisive open letter hugely ironic given that it was that very quality, "unity", that Bill called for in the comments he wrote in the annual accounts.

In truth, Kenwright should have stepped aside when Moshiri came on board in 2016, allowing for the transition to a new phase in the club’s history and, in an era of Russian oligarchs, sovereign wealth funds and unprecedented amounts of money washing through the game, a break from Everton’s parochial and insular past. A Life President role would have afforded him all the trappings of prominent status at the club, to continue to schmooze the dinner guests in the Goodison suites to his heart’s content, without all the incumbency of day-to-day responsibilities.

After all, his legacy — one that had looked so promising when he stepped in when no one else would find the means to buy the club from Peter Johnson — had already been badly tarnished by the collapse of the Kings Dock proposal in 2004, dealings with the likes of the shadowy Chris Samuelson a couple of years later, the utterly mis-guided Destination Kirkby project (which, had it ever succeeded, would have wrenched Everton out of her home city and dumped her on a car park in neighbouring Knowsley at the behest of the retail interests of Phillip Green and Robert Earl), the lie about the danger of Goodison imminently losing its safety certificate, and his first public feud with a disgruntled supporters group in the form of the Blue Union in 2012. January’s weaponising of “Headlock Gate” to cast protesting Evertonians in a bad light was merely the straw that broke the camel’s back for many.

At the time of Moshiri’s first investment, though, the rationale for Kenwright continuing as Chairman, perhaps for a year or two until Moshiri assumed de jure control, seemed sound enough. Bill could be that bridge between an outsider regime and Everton’s past; the ambassador of the soul of the club in the Boardroom; and to act as a check on the new owner’s wilder and more destructive impulses.

You could argue, based on rumours at the time, that it was his influence and that of Denise and Tim Cahill that steered Moshiri away from hiring Vitor Pereira in January last year but, in the main, Kenwright has largely failed to curb the owner’s more destructive manoeuvres and failed in that remit to protect the club from the British-Iranian's reckless tenure. The fact that he remains so heavily involved in the final stages of player recruitment and transfer negotiations means that he cannot escape his share of the blame for the club’s failings in that regard, either. (The Dele Alli deal, for instance, bears all the hallmarks of Bill and his long-standing relationship with Daniel Levy.)

Ultimately, having been involved at Boardroom level at Everton for 34 years now, a period that has seen the club win one solitary trophy and undergone a depressing slow decline from it’s 1980s heyday, it is high time that Bill Kenwright left his position of power at Goodison Park. One surmises that he has been hanging on long enough to see the Blues move in at Bramley-Moore Dock so he can bask in what would be an immense achievement for the club. Beyond that, it’s hard to know what has kept him as Chairman for so much longer than he originally promised he would be. Ego? A sense of duty? A simple inability to let go? Or has Moshiri simply not been able to find anyone else?

One also suspects that should the worst happen and Everton go down this season, that might finally be the catalyst for the dismantling of the current Board… assuming, of course, that Moshiri elects to stick around to see the job through. Please, God, don’t let it require the ultimate ignominy befalling the club to bring that about but, regardless, the time has come to do the honourable thing.

It’s sad in many ways but when a vocal section of your own supporters say you’re no longer welcome at your own ground, there is no coming back.

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Danny O’Neill
1 Posted 24/04/2023 at 07:41:34
Releasing something as damning to me and thousands of Evertonians the day before an important fixture was misguided at best. But let's not beat about the bush. Self-satisfying and downright wrong for a Chairman of any organisation.

He doesn't get us. He lives in a bygone age and in the theatre. He clearly didn't stand with us on Saturday.

How this was released is beyond me. It is perplexing that the club allowed it to be published on its official website.

Unity? There is unity between the team, the manager and supporters. You could feel and see that as they came over to the away end after the eventual final whistle that I thought would never come. We will always appreciate effort, even if the result and performance isn't the one we wanted.

But any unity with the board is gone. It can't be repaired. They are done and they must know it. They have lost us. Stop hiding from the obvious.

As the article says, it should have happened as soon as Moshiri came in. That is his biggest mistake.

Dave Carruthers
2 Posted 24/04/2023 at 08:38:15
As ever, a wonderfully eloquent and concise summary of the whole sorry tale, Lyndon. The headline says it all.

The mistakes are so obvious and the list so long, I am increasingly gob-smacked that its been allowed to go on this long.

The desire to stay of course also, allegedly, led to the rejection in 2008 of the investment conglomerate who have gone on to run Man City so successfully.

A few months ago, someone posted on TW the “What might have been” if Kenwright had accepted the proposal and then stepped aside to take up a life presidency role. How things would now be different for him (he would getting all the adulation he craves) and, of course, us. Looking back, he must have regrets over that decision (or reading his response, maybe not given the blinkers that are now obviously on).

Notwithstanding the lunacy and selfishness of the letter, you and Danny hit the nail on the head around the unity now required. The club, in its entirety, must capture the emotional drive from a year ago. We are one against the world.

I believe this game on Thursday needs the fervour, the welcome, the emotion, the unity that was central to our escape last season. I remain in the optimistic camp that the return of Coleman, Doucouré, and Onana – plus Dom benefitting from Saturday – will certainly make us both tighter and more threatening than the last few games (I absolutely sit in the camp of 1 point gained on Saturday).

A repeat of the Arsenal performance can certainly result in a win, against i'm hoping a slightly more relaxed Newcastle after yesterday’s result.

Goodison needs one of its great nights— which will undoubtedly be helped by the continued absence of the Board. Let’s show them, in every way, that they are not needed and that Everton FC has a unity second to none.

Martin Mason
3 Posted 24/04/2023 at 09:18:56
Good article Lyndon. His response was sadly another step down to the bottom. We are at a stage now where just Bill going won't save the club. He has infected every nook and cranny of the club and it's his malign influence that must be cleared out. This will be a far more difficult process than it may seem though. It may be that relegation would benefit the club in allowing this clean out. The risk is high though but what if we survive? We then start next season as a desperately poor no-hope club. Only Moshiri can get Bill out, the fans are a red rag to him as we are not worthy.
Jerome Shields
4 Posted 24/04/2023 at 09:26:04
Lyndon your article says it all and a wholeheartedly agree.
Mark Taylor
5 Posted 24/04/2023 at 09:30:11
I wonder if Kenwright's narcissism and delusion prevents him from appreciating the poignancy behind Lyndon's comment, that if he had only stepped back from executive duties when Moshiri first arrived he could, as honorary Life President, enjoyed all the glad handing he clearly loves and still retained the respect and appreciation of the fanbase and indeed the wider football world.
Jim Lloyd
6 Posted 24/04/2023 at 09:46:41
Nice thought Mark; but there wasn't a chance in hell of him stepping down. Look back at his history and the times he's thrown that opportunity away.
This man will never stand down voluntarily. He was on his way when he reached 70.
Kevin O'Regan
7 Posted 24/04/2023 at 09:52:17
At some point there maybe was a genuine intent to help, a genuine love of the club and efforts to make things better. But that is now all gone - and all that is left is an unwillingness to listen, hear or see. That is due to arrogance, emotions complicated by a feeling of being owned something after spending years 'giving' of your time and effort... the same emotions that often many voluntary organisations suffer when long standing members are faced with change. Those who have given of themselves (time and in Bill's case also mixed up with money) feel entitled. Are are therefore stumbling blocks to any changes - despite any logical evidence suggesting that changes need to happen. Any fairytale stories of 'the good old days' and living in the memories of the glorious past are simply no longer relevant when it comes to the Premier League... It's football, yeah - but not as we know it... it's actually a cut throat business of survival of the fittest. History and emotions will not do the job Bill. A club-wide mindset of NSNO is needed - daily improvements across the whole of the club's operations at every level. The best mindsets come free of charge - but also free of historical attachments and complex emotions. To paraphrase Kahlil Gibran's 'Your children are not your children'... it's not your club Bill - time to let it go and grow.. 'for life goes not backward, but the soul of this great club lives in the house of tomorrow, a tomorrow you cannot even dream'.
Brian Harrison
8 Posted 24/04/2023 at 10:10:59
I think the one thing that is quite evident is that while the current regime is in place then the supporters will feel alienated and the divide will never be healed. My big concern is I wouldnt trust Moshiri in making the changes needed, his and Usmanovs biggest mistake was trying to just throw money at the problem without addressing the other issues. I look at football now especially in the Premier league, and all I see is disgruntled fans unhappy with the running of their clubs. Arsenal fans although quiet of late still have no time for the Kroenke's, Man Utd fans cant wait to get rid of the Glaziers, the Spurs fans are now protesting against Levy and Lewis. Chelsea arent happy with Boehly despite spending in excess of £700 million on players since he bought the club.
The Southampton owner borrowed all the money to buy the club and has to pay the loan back next year but without Premier league football he has no chance. Newcastle have owners who have shown that they are not fazed by openly killing and dismembering a journalist who was a critic. And it now seems that the Saudi government who own Newcastle despite assurances given to the Premier league that the owners werent the Saudi government, also threatened our Government that if they blocked their takeover at Newcastle they would withdraw billions of defence equipment bought from this country.

So now I just wonder where the Premier league is heading, with players demanding and getting huge salaries non of which are based on any success bases. Our own club despite being in the relegation zone for 2 seasons these mercenaries are pocketing between them 96% of all our income. Even Billionaires cant compete with Nation states taking over football clubs. Well run teams like Brighton and Brentford will not be able to keep hold of their best players as they will be signed by the richest clubs and in the end despite getting huge transfer fees these clubs wont be able to keep finding these gems. We even went down that route under Moyes buying cheap and selling for top dollar, but that came up short.

I think as fans generally we may need to ask ourselves what we want and expect from our club. Most of the claims from the All together now group has been based on our lack of trophies over the last 30 years. So how do we measure the new board when we eventually get one is win a trophy within a timescale or we will be calling for a change of board again.

Just to reiterate I want Moshiri and Kenwright gone, but I worry with the state of football now, will we get the board we want or yet another board who we feel disenfranchised from from like this one.

Jerome Shields
9 Posted 24/04/2023 at 10:19:10

You are right it is a very complex problem and Kenwright will not go easily and those under his patronage will support and fight to stay with him.

Alot depends on Moshiri, who has opening supported the existing regime.Even a new investor maybe more interested in the Stadium Company, so change on that front may not be as it seems.

Pressure has to be directed at Kenwright

Barry Hesketh
10 Posted 24/04/2023 at 10:40:06
Brian @8

You make some very interesting points and there are elements within your post that the likes of Bill and Daniel Levy et al would use to persuade many of the fans that they should be left in place, because god knows what sort of people you could end up with.

However, we have been saddled with our beloved Bill, for far too long, whether he is a bad businessman with good intentions, or a Machiavellian figure who can't see the damage that he's done to the club, he has to draw a line in the sand and remove himself from his position as the figurehead of the club.

His tenure is tainted and has been for some considerable time, it's tantamount to having an ageing striker in the first team, who is made captain, and plays every game, for no other reason than he once had a great season and saved the club many moons ago.

We may well end up with worse people in charge, but we can't carry on as if nothing has happened either, how can we possibly ignore the financial dire straits that we are in? How can we ignore the fact that we are looking at a few more fallow years out on the pitch? We are not looking to replace a man because we are merely craving success on the pitch, we are calling for the board's replacement because they have put the club in perhaps its most perilous position since its formation - if that's not a reason for a root and branch change I don't know what is.

Mark Murphy
11 Posted 24/04/2023 at 11:25:17
Bloody hell Brian - all of that, especially that bit about Newcastle and the Saudis leverage is shocking! Your right - football is f@cked!!
Dave Lynch
12 Posted 24/04/2023 at 11:51:57
I've just googled what Brian wrote and my god he's right.
The government suggested it would be "detrimental" to Saudi/British relations if the deal never went through.
I wonder if the independent body will investigate that one...I very much doubt it.
Meanwhile...let's go after Everton, they are no threat to anyone.
Ian Pilkington
13 Posted 24/04/2023 at 11:57:40
Another excellent article Lyndon.

Moshiri’s biggest mistake since buying the club and retaining Kenwright as chairman was changing his mind about selling out to the Kaminski consortium which would have seen Kenwright’s disastrous reign terminated.

Despite knowing little about them, surely we would not be in the appalling mess we are in now had that deal gone ahead.

Roger Helm
14 Posted 24/04/2023 at 12:18:08
Brian 8 I agree, many EPL fans are unhappy with their owners, often for ethical reasons regarding the source of the money. As is said, love of money is the root of all evil, and there are such huge quantities of money sloshing around the League. However, that Pandora's box has been opened and we can't turn the clock back. Many also say Rugby Union is not as enjoyable since it went professional.

My friends who support lower league teams seem happier by comparison. One follows Rotherham United and he has been to Wembley several times for play-offs and winning the EFL Trophy.

Paul Hewitt
15 Posted 24/04/2023 at 12:22:19
Roger@14. I know a wigan athletic supporter who told me he hated every minute his team was in the premier League, getting relegated was the best thing. He also doesn't want them getting into it again.
Barry Hesketh
16 Posted 24/04/2023 at 12:32:03
Wigan and Rotherham, with the greatest respect to them and their supporters they are both hardly clubs that Everton should be compared to - how far have we fallen?

I understand that the Premier League isn't anything like what we all hoped it might be, and that the Football League has many welcome attributes, but for a club such as Everton, the Premier League is the only league to be involved in.

Of course we may be out of it in a matter of weeks, and it might take some considerable time to get back to the top division, should that happen, but surely our heritage implores us as fans to wish us to have a place in the top flight, or doesn't it matter anymore because we've grown used to being serial losers?

Tony McNulty
17 Posted 24/04/2023 at 12:33:52
The article rehearses many of the reasons why the Chairman’s sell by date has passed. And when he finally ceases to be Chairman, there will undoubtedly be many dry eyes amongst the fan base.

However, I do have one concern were he to respond to calls to leave immediately.

He seems to have been involved in the relevant decisions and discussions relating to sustainability and profitability. As a consequence, he may well be the person best placed to defend us against any charges, and a possible points deduction.

As he quits the stage, our departing Chairman may yet be called upon to play the greatest acting performance of his life. And if it avoids relegation, I really hope he succeeds.

Dave Abrahams
18 Posted 24/04/2023 at 12:41:48
Tony (17) “ He may be called to play the greatest acting performance of his life” Tony with respect to you those watching his acting performance might laugh at it but they certainly won’t fall for it!!
Finn Taylor
19 Posted 24/04/2023 at 12:55:10
Lyndon, another excellent article.

Brian @8 - best summary I have read about the current state of football. As per, the usual suspects look the other way as long the ££££'s keep rolling in.

I have to be honest, my expectations of Everton are always in a state of fluctuation. What, I have been going over 40 years now... was there in the late 70's... 80's... 90s, etc. Around 98, 99 I thought we were in trouble and couldn;t compete with the United of this world. I don't think we had grown the fanbase and exploited our product - being poor for most of the 90s didn't help either. 2 Key relegation battles and general dross seasons but teams with no history (chelsea) signing players like Gullit, Zola, Vialli? Why werent we in for these people? We have never competed for these type of signing because I believe there has never been any ambition to compete.

On the 00's I thought with Rooney, we could have built the club around him. Clearly not. BUT at least we had a good manager - and we did, I don't care what critics say of him. Of course, his duplicitous actions at the end weren't good but we had stable, memorable seasons and we were never in any relegation trouble. Foundations to build on, but we did not.

No matter what history you have, it can become a chain around your neck, you standstill, you die. I don't think there is a fixed 'this is everton.' However, not competing and dreadful recruitment is just abysmal business. Poor custodians of the club.

How do we compete now? A state owned club? It's ridiculous what football has become.

Dave Lynch
20 Posted 24/04/2023 at 13:02:42
You really do have to question what is the point of the PL.

It has become not only a rich man's play thing but also a vehicle for corruption by dodgy government regimes.

There are only 4 teams that can even think about winning it, the rest are cannon fodder. The governing body have created a monster, the sacrifice of the integrity of the game at the expense of everything the game held dear.

It won't get any better either, the old generation is dying out, the new generation are brought up on media led consumerism and would rather listen to some non descript "influencer" than their own parents or even their own opinions and thoughts.

If we take the drop, so be it, the world won't end and I'll still go the game, let's be honest here, we cannot hope to compete at the top table of football and I fear we never will.

What is more important...the game itself or selling your soul to some money merry-go-round for the odd bit of silver ware?

The world is changing... I'm going out kicking and screaming.

Ray Jacques
21 Posted 24/04/2023 at 13:06:55
Great article.
I look at photos of this man and feel nothing but contempt.

Echoes of Nero fiddling, whilst Rome burnt.

He is the architect of 30 years of decay.

It culminates in the ultimate failure of relegation.

At least we saved on the brasso as there no sign of a trophy.

All on his watch.

Ian Bennett
22 Posted 24/04/2023 at 13:08:17
17 August 1991- that's the date Bill Kenwright was appointed a director of our club.

I'd argue we've gone backwards pretty much the entire periods he's been involved.

Danny O’Neill
23 Posted 24/04/2023 at 13:09:34
I don't care what it is called. The most important thing is for Everton to stay in the top flight of English football.

Wigan? Rotherham? As Barry says, with all due respect, who are they?

Manchester United and Arsenal. They are clubs I consider measuring my Everton to. Not Kenwright's, mine.

Tottenham, who are they? Newcastle? They can't compare. Chelsea, nowhere near. Manchester City can't touch us once we find ourselves and inner belief again.

As for Lucifer's Children, the thought of them makes me feel unclean.

We don't compare ourselves to Wigan or Rotherham. We are Everton.

Mark Taylor
24 Posted 24/04/2023 at 13:09:44
I think Finn (no relation!) makes a good point about Moyes. I said about the time of his departure, rancorous though it was, that we would do well to have subsequent managers who could deliver an average league position over the long term as high as he managed. I think that average was around 8th, maybe slightly higher.

Of course what followed presents a very favourable context for Moyes' regime, not least because he didn't have a pot to piss in from a financial perspective. It will be my eternal regret that after decades of being paupers and becoming experts of make do and mend, we finally got some decent funds- and then blew it all and made things even worse.

Don Alexander
25 Posted 24/04/2023 at 13:36:07
Notwithstanding the corrupt nature of the Premier League other clubs devoid of the wealth we’ve squandered have, judging by their league positions, done pretty bloody well this season and ever since the Monaco Moron took over.

Kenwright blaming everyone but himself for our horrible plight is proof, once again, that he is oblivious to the real and present anger so badly damaging OUR club.

And as someone a tad more auspicious than me once said, “a house divided against itself cannot hope to prevail “.

Kenwright out, as a minimum!

Dave Lynch
26 Posted 24/04/2023 at 13:41:34
Danny, I always admire your optimism and stoicism but... it is no longer "our" or even "your" Everton.

We are now classed as "consumers".

The game has sold its soul, like I stated in my previous post "the world is changing" look at the world in general, wars, corruption, human rights violations, the rise of the minority groups who "demand" they are listened to and given what "they want".

Football and sport in general is an indicator of how the world is changing, its all about power and money for the few, not the many.

Finn Taylor
27 Posted 24/04/2023 at 13:45:42
I think everyone knows, all we really need currently is mid-table stability till the stadium is ready and that can increase revenues; there is no other way we can increase our turnover. It doesn't look like we can do that through kit deals and shirt sponsorship, at least not yet.

Coming back on the train from Fulham game, I was chatting to other blues and I was lamenting the poor recruitment. Why haven't we been finding the players like Brighton, Brentford. Villa? They seem to have been very successful at this. Of course, players may have turned us down, but we can't be that unattractive... can we?

Ok well I asked this the other day but am still wondering what the answer is - IF we get relegated and go into administration, will BK and the current board be moved on by the administrators? And - would we be dumped to the bottom tier?

No one has the mentioned that strategic review for a while have they?

Raymond Fox
28 Posted 24/04/2023 at 13:49:10
Dave 20, congratulations thats the most accurate and sensible post on here for many moons.

Danny your drifting off into the realms of fantasy again mate, we were at the top table at one time and we may be again, but its going to take a few years to get back up there.

Barry Hesketh
29 Posted 24/04/2023 at 14:10:22
It's never been 'our' Everton at any point in its history, but as 'supporters', stake holders or consumers, we always believed that those who actually owned the club would act in the best interest of the club and therefore the supporters - that isn't and hasn't been the case for many years.
Dennis Stevens
30 Posted 24/04/2023 at 14:17:42
Chairman Bill should have, long long ago, stepped up to the non-executive Life President role. If that were to be suggested now, I think there'd be a huge outcry against it.
Tony McNulty
31 Posted 24/04/2023 at 14:18:46
Dave (18)

Some might argue that many people have been falling for it for well over 30 years.

I am fairly sure that this wouldn't happen in this case, but I have seen disaffected people leaving organisations having tried to apply a scorched earth policy. After all these years, he must be pretty bitter at being prevented from attending home games. And there is a tad of bitterness in his statement.

We may still need our Chairman for a while yet if there is a need to recount what was said, promised, and confirmed, and by whom.

Dave Abrahams
32 Posted 24/04/2023 at 14:21:14
Barry (29), I think when some fans say” our club” or “our team” they do it as a way of saying ; it’s not your club Kenwright as he often seems to indicate that he really thinks it’s his team and club, that’s the way I feel when I post “ our team or our club”
Barry Hesketh
33 Posted 24/04/2023 at 14:33:44
Dave @32
I too use the phrases We and Us when referring to the club. Everton has been built with the financial support of the supporters and without that support the club would be nothing, however, modern football doesn't really require bums on seats and that is possibly why there is so much disquiet among so many fans at so many clubs.

Dave Abrahams
34 Posted 24/04/2023 at 14:34:03
Tony (31), Yes that’s fair to say many people have fell for his act over a long period, there are still quite a few, even now who think and say “ He’s one of us” but as you say it’s doubtful he would fool these people.

As for him feeling bitter about being prevented from attending home games I think he has been the author of his own misfortune in not going to these matches in making false allegations about Everton fans which were confirmed by the police who stated that no allegations were made to them.

He also just recently said he doesn’t run the club the CEO does, maybe we need that great acting performance from Professor Baxindale.

Dale Self
35 Posted 24/04/2023 at 14:34:18
This part of the Everton thing is really for the local family but let me offer one take. Don’t let this angry old man define your Everton experience. This is an angry old man yelling at the kids walking across his unkept lawn. Stop the Drama! Save some energy for upcoming fixtures for this fucker is not helping us get throught this, pay him no attention whatsoever until we get the job done.
Dave Abrahams
36 Posted 24/04/2023 at 14:39:35
Barry (33) Fair enough Barry, just to say, though financially we might not be needed I think football would be nothing without fans, even Ancelotti couldn’t get the team working at Goodison during the lockdown!!
Will Mabon
37 Posted 24/04/2023 at 14:51:46
Dave @ 26:

"Football and sport in general is an indicator of how the world is changing, its all about power and money for the few, not the many."

Being changed.

You're right, Dave... but it's moved on. No longer just about certain factions having it, it's now about everyone else not having it.

I hope more people will start to see how this is manifest in the current presentation of life, and perhaps consider the implications of accepting digital IDs, 15 minute cities, endless immigration, climate penalties and digital currency - to name a few.

Will Mabon
38 Posted 24/04/2023 at 14:56:44

I know where you're coming from. Hard not to speak out and discuss things of this importance.

However I wonder the effect on Bill had his statement been met with total tumbleweed. The old puss is probably loving the drama.

Jacques Sandtonian
39 Posted 24/04/2023 at 14:58:53
As much as we continue to lambast Kenwright for his failure to “read the room” this whole episode, by association, amplifies just how dire Moshiri is at leading the club.

It’s either testimony to Moshiri’s absence of leadership or it’s testimony to the notion that it hasn’t been Moshiri’s money all along, but one of the enduring mysteries to me, of this dark episode in our club’s history, is how Moshiri hasn’t rang the changes in the boardroom.

One would like to think that even Usmanov, stroking his cat in an armchair in the shadows, would be calling out this mess.

Dave Lynch
40 Posted 24/04/2023 at 15:23:31
Thanks Will@ 37.
Put a lot better than I put it.
I keep saying to my lads that the world is broken.
They just laugh at me and call me a dinosaur.

There are non so blind as those that cannot see

Danny O’Neill
41 Posted 24/04/2023 at 15:34:21
Dave Lynch, that sounds like conversations I have with my son and youngest brother.

They look at me in disbelief on many occasions and shake their heads at the older fool of the family.

My middle brother. You just need to keep him away from the subject of the 39. He gets quite emotive about that and will go into social media rants. He was only 10 when we last won the league, so remembers.

We are a very mixed bunch. The older idiot. The middle twisted and the young sensibles.

Will Mabon
42 Posted 24/04/2023 at 15:52:05

it's all about two things. Where one looks, and choosing to not deny what is clearly seen; hard steps for many.

The last three years has seen the drivers of all this basically abandon most previous attempts at obfuscation and switch to a method of pushing the boundaries to see if there even will be any meaningful resistance. Hidden, mostly, in plain sight.

I think they'll be delighted with the results so far.

Dave Lynch
43 Posted 24/04/2023 at 16:28:00
Good point Will.
Trouble is as I stated with "influencers". The youth of today are told "what" they want and "how" they should think.

They are taught that what is "not real is real" if they want to believe it to be real if that makes sense.

James Marshall
44 Posted 24/04/2023 at 17:16:55
One thing that I've always thought was a problem for Everton, and still do, is that we're so stuck in the past on every level.

I don't get the obsession with history - what has history done for us in the present, and what will it do for our future? Zilch.

Everton is a relic of a bygone age, and will soon drop down to the second tier for a big fat dose of reality-checking. Even our fans songs are from the bloody 80's.

All we do is harp on about the past, and how we're such a 'big' club. What a crock.

I'm sick to death of supporting stuffy little Everton - it's become a curse, a millstone around our necks and we fall into Bill's trap of celebrating past glories every time. He's a soppy old fart who drags every Evertonian down with him going on about how we're 'chosen' and 'the people's club' and all that bollocks. All that stuff has held us back for years and finally it's coming home to roost.

Sentiment has been our downfall. Kenwright out.

Joe McMahon
45 Posted 24/04/2023 at 17:30:50
James@44 agree 110%. Add Grand Old Team and Z Cars. I may get stick but can't do with any of it as its 2023, not 1968.

If yer know yer History, it's so embarrassing there aren't words.

The only Everton manager I've truly disliked was Koeman (couldn't stand him). But the one thing he said I agreed with was he stated Everton are stuck in the past.

Apologies to older fans ( but I'm 53) who may disagree.

Jim Wilson
46 Posted 24/04/2023 at 17:47:33
The simple fact is Kenwright is a fool, he does all the wrong things.

The only example I'm going to give is we were all crying out for at least two decent strikers to be signed in the summer. After selling Richy this was essential.

And with the season already underway the only forward we brought in was Maupay.

We then waited for the January window thinking we will have someone lined up as soon as the widow opens. But nothing happened and then we brought Simms back only to let Tom Cannon go out on loan. Then we let Rondon go and sold Gordon.

At 10pm on the last day of the January window (the last not the first) Kenwright is frantically trying to find a striker for us using his last day cheapskate trick he has used since Moyes and Dyche thought I'm off, I'm going home, this is folly.

The guy is completely incompetent, and was when half of Goodison applauded him, on another dark day some years ago.

Right now it is Moshiri who needs to recognise that he is incompetent and tell him to go. It is best for the club and his health.

As for me all I want to do now is back the team and manager as much as I can and pray Dyche can keep his head and do all the right things.

Get ready for Thursday, get all the players motivated for the game, 451, strong midfield, keep it tight no matter what the score is, try to nick a goal.


Will Mabon
47 Posted 24/04/2023 at 17:50:01
The history of a club, our club, is important, or what does anything matter? Do we not care about all that we won in the past? Or is there a time limit – Kendall (manager) era great, '66 FA Cup unimportant?

The problem comes when it's pushed as a mask in lieu of the present, as you-know-who is apt to do. Ironically, apart from adding to our time in the top flight, we haven't "made" any history for 28 years – and that's history!

The History song I could live without but Z-Cars – never! Sacrilege!

Barry Rathbone
48 Posted 24/04/2023 at 18:05:04
The trouble is, Bill has been indulged by a fanbase for "saving" the club for eons; jungle drums of dissent on social media have been of no consequence. The last time this caper kicked off, "real" fans applauded him at Goodison and rebellion was seen off as easy as Liverpool see us off in derbies.

He will be hoping for the same this time via the joys of relegation avoidance. He will know better than any that the days of NSNO are over – him being joint architect of the descent with Moyes.

He also knows a goodly portion of fans accept such stultifying mediocrity as long as we are in the top tier.

So his bet will be – survival equals "forgive and forget".

The gloriously staged entrance he doubtless has planned for the new place will fulfil his dream of once again acknowledging the grateful applause of the "real" fans.

Survive and he stays; drop out of the Premier League and he goes.

Joe McMahon
49 Posted 24/04/2023 at 18:15:54
Will @47 and indeed everyone –I must explain. I have no problem with history (of course I don't), our best times and players have all been in the past. But it seems that all is spoken about is history.

The club somehow needs a new generation of fans and it's hard with Liverpool winning everything of course. I actually like the Z-Cars theme, it's just that it reminds me of Kenwright as he was in it.

When the day comes and he's gone, I'm sure I'll like it again when we come out onto the pitch in the new Everton Stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock. I don't know what league we will be in though.

Rick Tarleton
50 Posted 24/04/2023 at 18:21:07
You, Lyndon, answered the question as to why William S. Fisher aka Billy Liar, is still there: ego.

He has lived his dream and we have witnessed since 1991 the decline of one of the Big 5. Kenwright did nothing to stop or even slow down that decline. He was happy glad-handing with the great and bad of the game.

I despise the man and, 20-odd years ago, I wrote articles on this site disparaging the man. He is a disgrace and has no shame about what he has done to this club. I hope he goes away and we get a competent board without him and his acolytes.

For God's sake, go! Give this club a chance.

Kim Vivian
51 Posted 24/04/2023 at 18:27:51
I've skipped straight from Danny's post at 23 to write this so my point may already have been made.

Danny - Wigan, Rotherham? - To their own supporters they are what Everton is to you and others, just as the supporters of Wrexham (what a season their fans are enjoying compared to us lot) and all of the other 100 odd clubs without a snowballs chance of "silverware" who might indeed ask "Everton? Who (or what) are they these days?" Sadly outside our 4 blue walls, floor and ceiling we do not mean much to many these days, just as Wigan and Rotherham don't to you.

Each to their own as you often say. However, I don't think anyone is actually comparing us to those clubs you mention, just using them as reference points.

The PL has without doubt become a less enjoyable source of entertainment for the reasons others, particularly Brian, cite above. Watching our own team is a given, a must, on every level for me, but the PL is NOT the holy grail of football just as The Euro Super League or whatever it was going to call itself was not, and I shall continue to support Everton wherever we find ourselves, hopefully with the opportunity to enjoy entertaining and competitive games for a change.

It actually saddens me that we have evolved a board that we cannot be equally as proud of as the 'Club'. A board who are digging a deeper and deeper hole for themselves and potentially EFC itself with sanctions lurking.

Speaking as a supporter of a lower league team before I became a naturalised Evertonian I can honestly say that I enjoyed matches just as much following that club as I do Everton nowadays. One nice thing about being in the top flight is that you do get to see the country's top clubs and players when opportunity presents - something that would only happen with a tasty cup draw. TV these days does satisfy that but back in the day the chance to see a Best, Ball, Greaves and co. was pretty rare. Well it was for me.

We live in a world if distorted values now and although I would not welcome it I could endure life after the drop if it happens. There would need to be some pretty serious financial fire fighting and I would hope that a totally new regime would be up for that task.

I know little about this mooted 777 outfit, for example, but they do sound pretty switched on in footballing circles, unlike our present amateurs.

Peter Mills
52 Posted 24/04/2023 at 18:47:11
So many eloquent and heartfelt comments on this thread. It doesn't matter to me which ones I agree with and those I don't, they have been made by Evertonians, that's good enough for me.

A few very random thoughts of my own:-

History is important to me. I was brought up on tales of W R Dean and Tommy Lawton, and was fortunate enough to see the success of the second half of the 60s and the mid-80s.

I have brought up my family accordingly. But we must not live in the past: the last 3 decades have been very poor with only a very few moments of joy, and change is essential.

Z-Cars still brings a tingle. “If Ya Know Yer 'Istory” makes me cringe. Recently, “Spirit of the Blues” and “Goodison Gang” have been battle hymns.

Brand loyalty applies to many things in life. I always liked particular football boots, running shoes, cars. It simply doesn't apply to your football club. You stick with it.

The average attendance of my other team, Marine, has risen from around 250 five years ago to over 1,250 this season. Maybe that is a very eloquent statement of a growing disillusionment with Premier League football.

For now, there is only one priority – Thursday evening. We desperately need a “Goodison under the floodlights" night.

Mark Murphy
53 Posted 24/04/2023 at 18:57:12
Talking of old songs, I'm just watching the regional news where I live (darn sarf) and Havant Rugby Club were filmed after a win singing that old “They all laugh at us, they all say our days are numbered” song we used to sing on the Gwladys Street. What's the origins of that song?

ps: I hate the bloody Goodison Gang song. What the fuck has putting a candle out got to do with supporting the team??
Will Mabon
54 Posted 24/04/2023 at 19:13:02

Agreed, we have a proud history but to have only that is not enough.

As Peter said above, three poor decades, change essential. Can't win 'em all but, with such poor operation of the club, we win nothing.

Martin Mason
55 Posted 24/04/2023 at 19:19:09
Careful, this very good thread is descending into total myth. The thread is great when fact is stated to add benefit for all.
Will Mabon
56 Posted 24/04/2023 at 19:22:33
That's a cryptic one, Martin.
Joe McMahon
57 Posted 24/04/2023 at 19:22:46
Peter, Mark & Will.

Indeed we are all (long-suffering Evertonians).

Gotta admit I also don't know about the candles in the Goodison Gang song? Surely you want it to still flicker? I dunno.

Robert Tressell
58 Posted 24/04/2023 at 19:24:52
I'll give my perspective as a fan from the very late 80s. The history is only very loosely important to me – including the Kendall era that predates me (it's 35 years ago, for fuck's sake!). I'm proud that we've been an ever-present in the top flight during the top flight but...

- the stadium is from the 1980s

- the running of the club is from the 1980s

- the team has been very consistently poor since the 1980s

And we really need to move past all that, pleasantly nostalgic though some of the memories are.

I don't think fans of other clubs are fooled into thinking we're still a genuinely big club by some old songs etc (although the fanbase is certainly recognised as befitting a big club).

In fact, other clubs see us for what we are: a boring, traditional club that hasn't done anything interesting on or off the pitch for 35 years – and has completely failed to embrace the golden opportunity presented by Premier League status every year since 1992.

And unfortunately, the fanbase that does make us a big club will dwindle if we keep living in the past.

Martin Mason
59 Posted 24/04/2023 at 19:25:34
Rubbish, Barry @48.

He was given credit for saving the club for a few very short years when the alternative to his illegal dealings was insolvency.

Can we please have some facts here and not just repetition of Goodison myth.

Kieran Kinsella
60 Posted 24/04/2023 at 19:26:06
I hope that Kenwright and #AllTogetherNow put this public spat on hold until the end of the season.

It's obvious Kenwright needs to go, whether he wants to admit it or not. But I think we're unlikely to find a decent new chairman and or owner until our status is certain for next season.

Get behind the team for the next six games and hopefully cheer them on to survival, after which it should be easier to attract a new chairman and or owner.

If we get too caught up in Bill's nonsense right now, it could start to suck the life out of the ground and of course it will play into the hands of Bill's sycophants who will say "We got relegated cause you were being mean to a lovely, sickly old man instead of supporting the team."

We've had several months of protests and 90% of fans seem to be in agreement on the problems at the club, and even some of the media have flipped the script. Let's have a month off from the battle and focus on the bigger one, then deal with Bill.

Martin Mason
61 Posted 24/04/2023 at 19:30:12
Will @57,

Sorry mate, not aimed at rational people like you.

Dave Lynch
62 Posted 24/04/2023 at 19:36:13
Joe @57.

Me arl fella seems to recall the candles refer to the blackout during the war.

Pete Neilson
63 Posted 24/04/2023 at 19:37:00
Personally, I love the fact Goodison Guys/Gang has been resurrected. It came back in at away games and all the better for it; hats off to whoever started this, it was immediately re-adopted.

You can hear it being sung in The Golden Vision from 1968. Maybe someone in the TW community can date it more precisely. I'm guessing the candle had something to do with blackouts well before 1968.

Rob Halligan
64 Posted 24/04/2023 at 19:40:06
Mark #53, and Joe #57,

Don't take this as gospel, but I was told that the “Put the candle out” was in reference to the blackouts during WW2. Police, or wardens, would be walking the streets and shout “Oi, put the candle out” during periods of blackouts.

If you've ever seen the video of Everton fans in London for, I think the 1966 FA Cup final, then don't forget, it's only 21 years after the end of WW2, so I guess it was just a song made up with rhyming words in it. No doubt Dave Abrahams or John Snr will come on and put me right with this.

Barry Hesketh
65 Posted 24/04/2023 at 20:22:21
The club somehow needs a new generation of fans and its hard with LFC winning everything of course.

That's rich given the number of Evertonians who had to endure the years 1973 to1983 living and working in the city. How come we've retained so many supporters, regardless of the trophy droughts both then and now? Why are we even contemplating building a stadium larger than Goodison Park?

History is part of Everton's rich heritage as a major English club; it's a club I feel privileged to support and I really can't understand all the issues so many fans seem to have with almost every facet of the club – nobody forces anybody to support Everton; you either do or you don't.

If you want the experience of a non-league outfit or a second- or third-tier club, by all means trot off and support one.

History is there to use as a standard that can be met; the club has met it on more than one occasion. If we don't attempt to aspire to meet it in the future, we will continue to fail. Oh and every time one of your red mates puts up six fingers, they're using history to annoy you.

Tony Everan
66 Posted 24/04/2023 at 20:30:40
Thanks Lyndon, great article. I'm convinced the sentiments you convey are now that of the vast majority of the fanbase.

My feeling is that 777 or MSP will either buy outright or take a share as soon as our status is clear. The investment could still happen if we are relegated but at a revised amount.

As soon as this happens, it's a new start, with professionals who (hopefully) know what they are doing. Essentially the investors have to stipulate the chairman – who fully represents our demise as a club – must step down.

Crucially, immediately, and not after another 18 months so he can linger on to claim that the new Everton Stadium at Bramlley-Moore Dock is his legacy. This will be his game play, and the investors must resist it without negotiation.

Only then will all aspects of Everton FC snap out of its decades-long strangulation by amateurism.

We now have nothing to fear, could anyone do any worse than Bill Kenwright's journey from mediocrity to existential threat?

He's taken us to the crumbling cliff edge, now it's he who must jump, not our beloved club.

Mike Gaynes
67 Posted 24/04/2023 at 20:31:18
Excellent article, Lyndon, and terrific response in particular from #8 Brian Harrison. Moshiri has proven himself incompetent and then some, but at least there's no sign of outright immorality there.

However, Brian, I would point out that for the two excellent organizations you called out, Brighton and Brentford, the inevitability of losing their top players actually became part of their business models some years back. They built their plans around that circumstance and leveraged terrific advance scouting to replace their lost stars with inexpensive young talent. Even Fulham, with decades of failure behind them, has learned to shop for value (I give you our old friend Antonee Robinson as an example).

That's where we've gone wrong – a lack of organizational planning and an inability to construct a business plan around player value and the vagaries of the current insane marketplace. We got it wrong in every possible way. And the responsibility rests with Moshiri.

In faint defense of Bill, he did vehemently argue against Moshiri's worst move of all, the hiring of you-know-who as manager. But to my mind, the blame extends throughout the executive structure of the organization and all past managers going back to Moyes.

Pete #52, you forgot the big 'un when it comes to our Marine boys – silverware! We've got a Cup to pose with, right?

Dave Lynch
68 Posted 24/04/2023 at 20:38:54
Could be worse, we could be Spurs.

They've just sacked another manager.

John McFarlane Snr
69 Posted 24/04/2023 at 20:59:39
Hi Rob [64] I was born on July 15th 1938 and although I have no recollection of the ARP [ Air Raid Precautions] I was told of the duties of the wardens during the blitz, and the basement of our home at 75 Everton Road was commandeered as a refuge from air raids. I was told after the war that during an air raid, my Mam along with me, my brother, and two sisters were initially prevented from entering our own basement, but neighbours confirmed that it was our address.

It's my understanding that it was the duty of the ARP to ensure that the blackout was observed by shouting, "Put that light out" I suppose that in some instances candles may have been included.

Bill Gall
70 Posted 24/04/2023 at 21:05:55
I was at the 1966 FA Cup Final at Wembley and don't remember a song about candles. Mind you, at 82 sometimes I can't remember what I had for breakfast!

I do remember talking to Mike Trebilcock in the Broadway on the Tuesday or Wednesday after the final.

Grant Rorrison
71 Posted 24/04/2023 at 21:09:07
Dave 68. Yeah. We could be in the top 5 instead of 18th. Much worse.

Bill Gall
72 Posted 24/04/2023 at 21:11:49
Hi John Snr,

My wife lived in the 4 Squares and said in the 1940s she – with her older brother and sister along with other kids close to the dock area – were evacuated to North Wales,
Dave Lynch
73 Posted 24/04/2023 at 21:24:18
I was being facetious, Grant.
Robert Tressell
74 Posted 24/04/2023 at 21:34:14
Mike # 67, the blame goes back well past the Moyes era.

The important thing from here is that we modernise the look and feel of the club.

The stadium will help, player development and recruitment needs to modernise and the commercial side needs to modernise too.

Geoff Lambert
75 Posted 24/04/2023 at 21:46:38
And we are now one of the three favourites with the bookies for the drop. Come Friday, we could be the favourites. Ohh how far this once great club has fallen under the Chairman Bill regime.
Barry Rathbone
76 Posted 24/04/2023 at 21:51:23
Martin Mason 59

"He was given credit for saving the club for a few very short years"

Kenwright's consortium bought Johnson's shares in 1999 and Goodison was still clapping him in 2011 – that's over a decade you confused little man.

But keep up the stalking and I'll keep knocking you into Row Z with "facts".

Dave Lynch
77 Posted 24/04/2023 at 22:00:48
The sacking of numerous managers did not help, Silva we should've stuck with, Koeman, Benitez, Martinez and Allardyce should never have been allowed near the club.
Allardyce did stabilize us but it should never have got to that stage.
Derek Thomas
78 Posted 24/04/2023 at 23:18:12
There's 50+ years of blame; enough that everyone gets a share and more besides.

The key question is: Can the present incumbents fix it?
I doubt it, I'm not sure they even see anything that needs fixing.

We have to deal with the short-term on-field problems first – the next game and the other 5 after it. All else flows on from that.

Christine Foster
79 Posted 25/04/2023 at 01:38:48
Lyndon. A sadly excellent article, one that should never have needed to be written, but one that is clear and concise in both accuracy and expectations.

It gives me absolutely no pleasure in the observation of so many supporters who now see the damage caused by the man. I have no more words of condemnation to waste on him, I just want to see the back of him and for the club move on. We never will until that happens. I never will. For nearly 20 years, I have accurately summed up his incompetence despite many on here backing him and ridiculing my take on him oh so many times.

It wasn't just the incompetence, but the associations, the offshore loans, the lies, the interactions with supporters. If ever there was a two-faced fraudster, then we found him and many took him to their breast as one of their own.

This club is great. I don't mean it's a good club, I mean it's an icon to us all. It means everything. I have followed it since I can first remember any memory. Weddings, funerals, life, all fitted in around Everton FC. It's my very fabric, my left foot.

Now are dark days but dawn is coming, we will have a new stadium, I will sit in it and cry. It does not matter to me what league we are in, but my anger and disgust for the way fans have been treated with so much disdain is crass. I am sure Bill Kenwright loves this club, but he loves himself and money more. That's the difference, we don't.

6 games. That's all. I will fight and cheer you on. Reach down and lift my fellow boys in blue no matter what. I look forward to 2024-25 and god willing, be home again to sit in the new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock and laugh, raise a glass to all those along the way who would have given so much for a day of glory.

Today is Anzac Day here in New Zealand. A day when so many are remembered, for fighting for what we believed in, for the love of a country, for who we are. Today is a day to give thanks to all that went before us and remember them, thank them.

So to each and every one, I do so, but I will add a side note to each and every Blue no longer with us, who longed to sit in the new stadium, to see a trophy raised over the Mersey.

It will happen because every week there will be 50,000 people cheering them on, and a hundred times more than that, like me, in some far-flung corner of the world, listening, hoping, cheering and urging them on. We will succeed. Clear the decks. We're coming!

Kieran Kinsella
80 Posted 25/04/2023 at 03:36:30
John and Rob,

I wasn't around then but, having watched Dad's Army re runs enough and Bill Pertwee chastising Captain Mainwaring for not putting his lights out, your explanation seems entirely logical.

Jerome Shields
81 Posted 25/04/2023 at 05:06:33

When it was originally announced that Everton had to go before a Independent Commission, I speculated on a thread of that time that other Clubs would have similar problems, though not yet at the commission stage . Acvording to your post this was not wide off the mark.

I was listening to the car radio reference the Spurs problems and the explaination of a explayer now living in Lisbon was right of the Everton script of : the Chairman,the recruitment., poor Club Management over years, and player attitude.

There seems to be a epidemic within the Premiership of Evertonianitess.I come to realise how insular my views had become, thinking only of Everton.

As you describe there is a template for the Premier League, based on access to finance and working the Premier League Profit and Sustainability Rules.The top Clubs are more sophisticated at it since they have to work the FFP Rules as well.On top of that will be added the Government Rules in the near future.

There is value in Everton as a Club with a Traditional Brand and a new Stadium, so sinking without trace will not necessarily be a option.The main reason Moshiri got involved in Everton was that it was the Financial game he was in anyway.There is still road available and it is obvious that the Club Management are woeful and can be replaced by better. The Premier League is in the same game. The days of the Domanent Chairman are gone, not just a Everton.

Fortunately the days of the loyal fan are not and never will be .

Danny O’Neill
82 Posted 25/04/2023 at 06:22:00
A couple of minor spats, but the thread has remained a great read. As always, many diverse opinions on a subject that means so much to so many. How we express it varies, but it is generally civil and even when we differ, meet in a pub and it's a different conversation. The spoken word can be different from the keyboard.

On the songs, I too wish we would scrub Grand Old Team. I am not sure I've ever liked it. I'm probably in the minority, but I'm on the fence with Z-Cars, although when I do get in on time, I admit, it still sends the odd shiver down the spine.

Spirit of the Blues is fantastic and never seems to stop. Before my time, but I like Marching Down the Goodison Road and its resurrection. I love Forever Everton. That goes back to my early formative years. I think it must have been about 1977?

They are original. They are Everton.

Leading onto the comment about needing a new generation of fans. Well, standing amongst them, there is a new generation. And they keep going and believing. They are the ones belting out those songs. They didn't give in on Saturday, just as they haven't whenever I've stood amongst them and some of us older ones are doing the "shite Everton" thing!!

Like Christine, there is little else to be said on the current board. Change is long overdue.

In my living memory, the decline started after we last won the League Championship. A more senior generation have pointed out it was after the 1970 league triumph.

Regardless, this current board has failed. Change is needed.

Anzac Day. A poignant day for Australia and New Zealand, Christine. I will raise a glass.

Remember the past, but look to the future.

Pete Clarke
83 Posted 25/04/2023 at 07:27:41
It's only our love for Everton Football Club that keeps us interested in the sport.

Brian pointed out some really deep points as to how this once great sport is being ruined by money but the fact is there are a lot more downsides to football and I often question why I'm even interested in it at all.

The money the players receive is disgusting when you look at the average wage of supporters. Even worse is that most of the players are bang average and most are now showing this horrible cheating side of the game like diving, feigning injury, trying to have opponents sent off and lots of other cowardly traits.

Add to this the bent referees who clearly align with the money clubs and themselves allow cheating. Linesman are merely there nowadays for throw-ins and appear useless for anything else. The VAR has made things a lot worse.

The new rules around what is a penalty are a joke which leaves fully grown men terrified to make a good old-fashioned challenge and having to run around with their hands behind their backs. Ridiculous.

Commentators who seem to have forgotten their playing days when spouting their bullshit on TV with words like “he was entitled to go down” and “There may have been slight contact.” All of it just makes me sick.

Those days when I watched footy in Walton Hall Park seemed a lot better except of course it wasn't Everton so I needed my weekly fix of the Blues to make me happy.

I'm sat here right now watching Aussie Rules on TV. Pre-game was a tribute to the Anzac soldiers lost in the Gallipoli campaign which was beautiful. The players in this game are truly exceptional athletes and they earn their money with blood and guts every game.

How I got into this game was due to my boy playing a couple of games for his school. He got smashed by another kid in a challenge but just got up brushed it off and then 5 minutes later he smashed into the same kid in a challenge. They shook hands at half-time and I began to enjoy the game from there on. It's taken 25 years for me to look at it.

I also now enjoy the Rugby League so there's two sports that have not yet been corrupted. I can sit and watch and not be screaming at the players, refs or commentators for spoiling my entertainment. Being neutral helps of course.

Everton are in big trouble right now but Football in general is in big trouble too due to greed on both accounts.

On the subject of Kenwright. He's exploited the club and the money coming in from the Premier League. The split in the fan base has allowed him to retain power because, for me, he should have been run out once he banned the AGMs and he became unopposed. He's been exploiting that split ever since but hopefully the end is nigh for him.

Paul Ferry
84 Posted 25/04/2023 at 07:51:39
Mr O'Neill, 1977?

'Forever' was our 1985 Cup Final song.

Tony Abrahams
85 Posted 25/04/2023 at 08:11:12

I'm glad you began to let your anger towards Bill Kenwright leave you half-way through that absolutely beautiful post, girl! It was then that you reminded me of what Everton Football Club is all about and the reason why it should truly exist.

“Raise a glass to all those along the way who would have given so much for a day of glory.”

Those words were sad, beautiful and so true, Christine, and also explain why we have fallen so far behind.

"We have had some good times" was all about one man letting his guard down and explaining his own glory but thankfully soon that curse is going to be removed.

Martin Mason
86 Posted 25/04/2023 at 08:12:04
Barry the KW@76, great to see some comedy and wit introduced into the thread.
Tony Everan
87 Posted 25/04/2023 at 08:19:32
An excellent thread and some thought-provoking comments.

The whole issue of finances in football and the Profitability and Sustainability Rules need looking at in depth; change is needed. How about a salary cap for all Premier League clubs of £2 million a year, £40k per week? Is that not enough?

That would automatically stop clubs overspending on wages. Also, making it a pre-condition that all player contracts must include relegation clauses so their wages are reduced proportionally, it could save a club from going bust.

I'd like to see some changes to the financial playing field that benefited all clubs equally. At the moment, the rules disproportionately benefit the top clubs and are interfering with sporting fairness.

If something is not done before the distribution of TV and streaming money is on a club-by-club basis, the huge gap that is there now will become a gulf. The sport will become even more of a football version of Formula 1.

I'm by nature an optimist, but I think the way the game is travelling, it is a financial freight train that cannot be stopped.

Rob Halligan
88 Posted 25/04/2023 at 08:31:39
Kieran # 80………..I wasn’t around then……how old do you think I am? 😁😁😁😁
Michael Lynch
89 Posted 25/04/2023 at 09:02:59
It's a three-act play, Bill, and your final act brought us the man who destroyed Everton while simultaneously laying the groundwork for the new Everton Stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock.

Moshiri has been a disaster. The only good thing about him has been his ill-gotten money, which he has used to bring us to our knees by buying dreadful players and breaking financial rules, while – on the positive side – raising the new stadium.

The latter is our future, though let's hope it's a phoenix rather than an albatross, but I'm afraid we have to hit rock bottom before we start to recover.

While Moshiri is in charge, we will remain a basket-case, no matter who is on the board. He's clueless, an oligarch's bagman who got lucky, and yet Bill still boasts about snagging a billionaire. There are billionaires and there are billionaires, Bill.

I dread to think what next season will be like – either in the Championship, or bottom of the Premier League again, and possibly with a points deduction.

The only good thing about this season is that we haven't had to watch Liverpool sweeping all before them, while we crumble to our lowest point in decades.

Jerome Shields
90 Posted 25/04/2023 at 09:48:22

My daughter lives in Adelaide and told me that Anzac Day was coming up. She knew a bit about it.

I told her it was like the Charge of the Light Brigade and was an ill-fated mission which Churchill spearheaded. After it, he resigned as First Lord of the Admirality, being the scapegoat for the incompetence and hesitancy by military commanders.

He then joined the Royal Scottish Fusillers as a infantry officer, fighting on the front lines in France, 1915-1917.

He was haunted by Gallipoli for decades. His opponents kept baiting him with 'Remember the Dardanelles'. Churchill reckons it was the single most important event that had turned him into the leader he was.

He later wrote "All my past life had been a preparation for this hour and for this trial." Churchill was restored as First Lord of the Admiralty in 1939, his return from the Wilderness Years.

I told her to find out about what was going on in Adelaide on Anzac Day. She said she would do a study plan out for her class.

Mark Murphy
91 Posted 25/04/2023 at 11:38:30
We have no manners,
We spend our tanners,
We are respected,
Wherever we may go, oh,
Walking down the Goodison Road,
All the winders open wide
When you 'ear the copper shout,
Ey, put the candle out,
We are the Goodison Gang…

Sorry but it's nonsensical drivel (and yes, I know what the candle reference is. Grand Old Team is okay pre-match but nothing beats a good old Everton! – What's our name?

I don't mind the Spirit Of The Blues as it loudly proclaims "Everton", and I like Forever Everton, but The Goodison Gang gets on my tits.


Danny O’Neill
92 Posted 25/04/2023 at 11:58:29
See you at the next one, Mark. You'll be shouting Goodison Gang loud and proud!

Sent you a message.

Mark Murphy
93 Posted 25/04/2023 at 12:05:30
I don't want to boast, Danny, but yes, see you at the Amex!
Dave Abrahams
94 Posted 25/04/2023 at 12:08:39
Mark (91),

Surely in the first line of that song, it should be “ We know our manners” instead of “We have no manners”

That's the way people from Holy Cross parish, near the city centre, sing that song from long ago.

Barry Hesketh
95 Posted 25/04/2023 at 12:19:59
According to the GOT blog last year:

We are the Holy Cross boys
We know our manners
How to spend our tanners
We are respectable wherever we may go
And when we travel on the railway line
We open our windows wide
We can dance we can sing
We can do the Irish ring
We are the Holy Cross boys.

The 'no manners' line is written in the TW link below:
Fans In Verse

Dave Abrahams
96 Posted 25/04/2023 at 12:30:10
Barry (95),

Yes, I thought that is the way Holy Cross parishioners sang their song. The other version could be right though because, to some of us from other parishes, Holy Cross is known as Double Cross!!

I'm going into hiding for a couple of weeks now!!

John Keating
97 Posted 25/04/2023 at 13:02:46
I seem to remember us singing that in the Friary??
But you're right with the "double cross" remark
Dave Abrahams
98 Posted 25/04/2023 at 13:40:21
John (97), I’m a bit older than you John and the song from the Friary was a different one to that and sang at the funeral “ Parties” of Alec Sweeney your mothers neighbour and Billy Cross who lived just a couple of minutes away, Billy was a Red but a very sound and genuine man.The Friary song was

Cheer up the Friary you’re noted everywhere
We’ll knock St. Francis( SFX) flying through the air
And if they ask for mercy
Mercy won’t be there
So cheer up The Friary
You’re noted everywhere.

Short and sweet and put the fear of God into other parishes. Erm I think!!

Tony Abrahams
99 Posted 25/04/2023 at 15:01:46
He possibly got the only billionaire in the world who was prepared to keep him on during all those years he was “searching” for investment, Michael L.

This is the question I would have asked William next: Why did Farhad the billionaire want to keep you on as Chairman?

Matthew Williams
100 Posted 25/04/2023 at 15:56:02
So Chairman Bill has a picture on his office wall of the great escape from '94, a game many Blues believe should never been allowed to happen in the fucking first place!

Whereas on my office wall is our starting lineup as Subbuteo players in the '95 FA Cup Final, when our club won a major piece of silverware with billions watching, a day of absolute joy and revenge for '85 as well.

Big fucking difference, Chairman Bill!!!

Paul Washington
101 Posted 25/04/2023 at 16:10:08

One of the best articles I've read on ToffeeWeb, thanks.

Danny O,

Forever Everton is from about 1972 – me arl fella bought it for me.

I don't like Grand Old Team either but Johnny Todd / Z-Cars is still a brilliant tune.

Bill Gall
102 Posted 25/04/2023 at 19:38:49
I started watching Everton in about 1954 and was a regular attendant at the home games mostly in the Gladys Street end, looking towards the goal to the left side under the stand. My last couple of seasons was as a season ticket holder in the lower paddock roughly inline with the Gladys Street end goal area line.
I left Liverpool in 1976 so I must consider myself as 1 of the lucky ones in seeing trophy,s won with a club well run. My last season 1975/76 I achieved my ambition in not missing any league games home or away.
I emigrated to Canada in 1976, spent 10yrs in Saskatchewan where there was no information of the English leagues in the papers or on TV, and I will not bore people on what I had to do to find any information on Everton apart from I came home for a month after 2yrs, and since then I have averaged about every 3/4 years to return.
My point is I only get to read articles about B.K. from news papers and other forms of information like this forum.
Without getting into arguments with other peoples arguments my Conclusion is B.K. being involved successfully in theater an film has been totally out of depth in being either as an Owner and Chairman of a major Football Club the size of Everton FC.
There is no doubt that as a businessman he sold his shares to make a huge profit, but even during the years before a takeover he done nothing to improve the standing in the league, while other clubs with the same support gradually improved their standings until Chelsea was bought, and their new owner showed that you could just buy the premier League title and other trophies.
The following years were the ones where Everton should have been looking for Owners with billions to spend, not after Man City was bought.
As the present Chairman of the Board he is responsible for the hiring of DBB, who may be a good business woman in her own environment, but not in a major Premier League Club. G.Sharp may have been a good footballer, but that does not make him a good businessman. G.Ingles may be a good accountant but it appears he is overruled by a Chairman and Owner.
With the Owner being absent with talks of promising takeovers and an absent Chairman the Club is going downhill faster than a toboggan on a ski slope and the blame has to be laid at the feet of an utterly contemptible Chiarman, not on his present actions but on his History with Everton F.C,
Sorry for the rantings.
Nick Armitage
103 Posted 25/04/2023 at 23:07:51
Kenwright absolutely deserves to watch his club get relegated. So does Moshiri.
Bill Gall
104 Posted 25/04/2023 at 23:50:57
Sorry Nick,

Thousands of hard-working loyal supporters do not deserve to see this club relegated just to punish incompetent stewardship of the club.

The supporters are the backbone of the club and deserve better, and there is a better chance of a takeover if we stay in the Premier League.

Danny O’Neill
105 Posted 26/04/2023 at 07:20:28
No apologies required, Bill.

I have experienced having to follow Everton from afar in places where there was no immediate access to social media. Waiting for news and scraps of information, sometimes on a crackling radio transmission. I'm in a more fortunate position now and get to watch Everton like I did as a teenager.

Like you and many, I've followed and watched through an all too brief successful period. But, for most of my life, it has been a story of a nearly team, struggling to preserve our proud top-flight status. Mediocrity, the glass ceiling being viewed as success, and we're expected to be grateful with our lot.

Attempts to beat down our expectations. They have taken on the wrong fanbase. Let's get this done and then surely this board is done.

They can't demonise the supporters in the way they have and remain. The point of no return has been reached. Them or us? I know who will be here next season and beyond.

I've not been to Canada as much as I have been to the States, Bill. I did like Kingston, Ontario. Very nice place.

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