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Brian I supported Unsworth while in charge because he was an had zero experience as a manager and he was thrown into the deep end. I was 100% behind him. Ferguson was a different kettle of fish. I wanted him to be given the job. The club was on its arse. We'd gone through loads of outsiders who had all failed and he could set Goodison alight like nobody else. That counted for a lot. he wouldnt have been the first Everton manager to get the crowd to do his job for him Turns out that wouldnt have happened anyway. the stadiums were emptied by covid. But if we are trawling back (and you seem to want to) Lets remember the job went to the most successful manager in the world. You and many others wildly celebrated our return to \"Glory\" Some hope. He was a ridiculous appointment. Without the funds to bring in the world superstars he had been accustomed to, His failure (to anybody prepared to give it any thought) was inevitable. \"A forgone conclusion\" I Know you will throw up all the stats.and you will point to the brief period when James had the sun on his back Just like you are doing now, but the zombie football Carlo Everton served up at home once his superstars lost interest, exposed his inability to coach journeymen. Even the ball boys were fucking off before the end from an empty Goodison. He left us with a team in free fall. One that that could barely muster a shot at home. He ruined one of the best young center forwards in the country by isolating him and resorting to the big boot -A tactic that still hasnt been ditched to this day By that time he had famously quit on the job \"I'm not a magician\", But he still took another 6m from the club before sneaking in the night to go back to working. with Superstars. he took the piss big time and you have never stopped being grateful for it. Instead of going on about managers who never were. Why don't you concentrate on the similarities between Carlos season and the one Davey Boy is having now. Ground out away victories rendered worthless by the cowardly anti-football both men have served up on home soil. I can only assume you are a fan of zombie football because you havent just been apologising for it. You've been happy clapping it for years.

And yet we are still above Bournemouth despite their superior manager and players. Give Moyes his due he is overall getting points we have no right to with some very limited players in the squad and losing players to second injuries and sudd sad pensions for 6 or 7 games. Get 2 decent fullbacks and a couple of goalscoring forwards and watch us rise despite Moyes pragmatism.

John @29 Exactly, hard work, but then players came in while others were unavailable (eg AFCON) put in some hard work and good performances only to be dropped once the other players were available again. Players should be hungry to put on the Everton shirt and put in a performance but if the manager doesn\'t appreciate it and reverts to his preferred players, others will think \"why bother?\"

Brian, relative to low expectations Moyes probably is doing a good job, clear of relegation and aspiring to be best of the rest. But if we\'re to move forward next season, with (hopefully)new players we need a new fresh outlook. We\'ve read this story before with Moyes, we know how it runs. Not saying he\'s a crap manager but at some point we\'ve got to break this cycle of medocrity, mid table contentment and viewing a top 10 finish as a good season. Over to TFG.

I like David Moyes, and I do think he\'s done a good job since he came back, but I also think he\'s very frustrating sometimes. When we beat Villa, he should have kept the same team for the next match, not revert back to his trusted favourites, what does that say to the players that came in and gave a really good performance? You play really well, give a good account of yourself but doesn\'t earn you a start next match? What sort of mentality does that breed into the players?