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Of all the metrics that TFG will be using to determine the success of the addition to their portfolio, I doubt atmosphere and excitement at the ground is high up the list.

Mike let me try and understand this as it seems your arguing for me rather than against me. Your analytics argument is something I\'ve been blue in the face arguing all season. I got told I was talking shite and being miserable and a number of posters suggesting we were dominating nearly every game. There are 4 metrics used here with the main one xG 1 xG of non penalties 2 how much you allow teams to pass out of defence ie how much you press 3 how much you can pass outside the attacking third ie how much you can beat a press 4 transfer market values However your conclusion is that we are outperforming our talent pool seems like your conclusion. I would draw from that we are outperforming our play from the talent we select and how we set up which the title suggests. Let me put it to you this way Mike I have been very complimentary about the job Moyes did when he first came in. How he was playing to players strengths and how players were thriving from being let off the leash from Dyche..I can guarantee we did slightly better during those months as we pressed more and had greater intensity.. Do you think Grealish, George, Dewsbury Hall, Dibbling, Rohl, Armstrong, Aznou, and Barry have made that squad weaker as Harrison and Doucoure must have been grossly undervalued? Do you think Manchester United would have been as high in the first 3 metrics as Ferguson the season before as opposed to Moyes with virtually the same squad? The reason Moyes teams don\'t create a lot and strikers don\'t score is not down to quality. Do we have pace in the squad? The manager didn\'t want pace in his squad. If that\'s what he wanted he wouldn\'t have signed Rohl, Dewsbury Hall Grealish and Dibbling. He could play with a pacey back four of Patterson, Branthwaite, OBrien and Aznou if that was his want. You suggest we don\'t have players who can shoot yet arguably our best one doesn\'t make the bench while Alcaraz is permanently there. What does that tell you? In terms of skill I think it\'s very high yet we don\'t see it under this manager Garner, Ndiaye, Grealish, Dewsbury Hall, George, Armstrong and Dibbling are all skillful footballers.Aznou also looked promising in that regard. You could give Moyes 500 million this summer and we would definitely improve our results but I would happily wager that whatever results they would be would still be better than performances using these metrics regardless of how brilliantly you used that money.

Fine, Darren, not 17th to 8th, but 17th to 13th, now 8th. If that makes you happier, cool. And personally, I can recall one, maybe two posts here calling Moyes\' work \"incredible\" but if you need the exaggeration to make your point, cool. Now, speaking of \'inherent nonsense\'… \'international superstar\'? Who might that be? Surely not the guy with only 18 England starts, 3 in the last two years? The one with 4 international goals, including against the likes of Andorra and Iran? Whose World Cup chances were a longshot even before his injury? Make no mistake, I\'m a huge Grealish fan, but describing him as an international superstar is wildly over the top.

Amazing isn't it, we spent £800m on a new stadium. But some still gave an obstructed view…

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