Everton 0 - 1 Wolves

Everton return to Goodison Park this weekend to face Wolves for their second home game of the season still searching for their first goal and points of 2023-24.

And Sean Dyche's daunting task continues to be made harder as the injury list expands relentlessly, with Calvert-Lewin and Iwobi added back onto it last week.  

Dwight McNeil, Seamus Coleman, Dele Alli, and Jean-Philippe Gbamin remain injured, with the fitness of new signings Jack Harrison and Youssef Chermiti still under question.  

Branthwaite starts in place of Keane, as many had hoped, with Danjuma and Dobbin preferred instead of the misfiring Maupay. Youssef Chermiti is finally considered fit enough to at least suit on the bench. 

Wolves kicked off but the Blues were quickly on the ball, without creating a real attack but they continued to press hard, Gana making the first foul on Silva. The exchanges were lively but a stupid ball from Onana saw him then catch Silva badly but the ref fortunately played advantage. 

Dobbin had a good contest brewing with Semedo down the left. Danjuma fired off a shot from a long way out that was always rising. Lamina did much the same at the other end. Patterson put in a great cross that really should have converted but Danjuma did not jump for it. 

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Everton continued to push forward but the final ball was missing and, on one counter, Branthwaite made a poor pass but chased down his man to recover well. 

Dobbin put in a good cross from the left but it was headed away. His next chance to cross was badly overhit. Danjuma, obviously onside, saw Sa deflect his goalbound shot onto the post before the flag went up. 

Some more good passing saw Dobbin win a corner after Semedo stalled him again. But Sa collected Dobbin's corner with ease. Everton were moving the ball nicely but still not getting anywhere near the Wolves goal before moves were breaking down, while Wolves were starting to probe a little more, Patterson catching Hwang on the byeline.   

Everton won another corner, Tarkowski firing it well wide and hitting Dobbin, rebounding back across goal but fumbled by Sa and lashed into the side netting by Tarkowski. Semedo cynically grabbed at Danjuma but it was Gomes who was yellow-carded or delaying the restart. The free-kick delivery by Young was decent but Branthwaite could not get enough on it to direct it goalwards. 

Branthwaite saw the danger when Young was beaten and he was across quickly to intercept. Smarts by Cunha started a stronger Wolves attack that Neto blasted over. Patterson put over a tasty cross that Danjuma tried to volley first time with his instep but it squirmed wide. 

Semedo caught Dobbin late from behind and was finally cautioned. Young's free-kick came to nothing. It was very competitive in midfield with Wolves pushing forward and harried at every turn, Cunha falling awkwardly and getting accidentally trodden on by Tarkowski after he tried to head a cross. 

Some real chances in the first half which was fairly even in the end. Dobbin drew another foul from Semedo early in the second half, but Young's free-kick came to nothing, Dobbin unable to get past Semedo.  Patterson was tested by Bueno who crossed into the side netting. 

Young put a great ball into Doucoure who chose to cross again instead of shooting. Silva pushed Gana, Lemina getting booked for dissent. Danjuma tried to flick it past Sa, winning a corner from which Young delivered well Branthwate and Garner saw Sa in the way of their attempts, Brainthwaite baulking Sa. 

Onana caught his ankle in an attempted tackle but soon came back on. Wolves attacked and Silva looked to have converted Bueno's excellent cross but he had stepped a foot offside. 

A dreadful error by Pickford saw Silva nip in but fire wide. A quick counter to he other end saw Dobbin win another corner but Young's delivery to the near post was headed behind by Tarkowski. 

Garner blocked Ait-Nouri for a foul, the free-kick saw a fantastic reaction save on the line  by Pickford down to his right, possibly off an Everton defender. Danjuma got a good through ball but he was shepherded well and could not beat Sa. 

More end-to-end excitement, curtailed by a debut for Chermiti, on for Dobbin. A fantastic move by Everton saw a great cross from Garner headed into the ground by Doucoure and saved incredibly by Sa as it bounced up under the bar. 

Some excellent defensive work by Branthwaite on Neto turned another Wolves attack, Everton winning another corner but still not beating Sa. Danjuma fouled Neto, the free-kick defended well for a quick break by Doucoure but Sa is out quickly to smother the danger. 

A good move saw Garner work the ball through to Doucoure who controlled it well and deftly fired past Sa but it was called offside and confirmed by the VAR. A promising Young free kick after a foul by Gomes was delivered straight to Sa. 

Everton tried to build again but Patterson's cross was straight to Sa. Everton won yet another corner, not delivered well by Young and driven wide by Branthwaite. 

Neto swung in a deep cross that Pickford backed off from and the defenders avoided as Kalajdzic glanced his backheader into the Park End goal to utterly stun Goodison Park with 2 minutes left. 

Chermiti stupidly barged Dawson off the ball for a straight yellow card. Everton had 5 minutes added time to try and get their first goal of the season, but with Dyche making two desperate late changes. 

Everton huffed and puffed but could not make it happen, Tarkowski having to make a desperate block, and then giving up a dangerous free-kick. that Pickford saved well enough.

But it was not to be and Everton would set another hugely embarrassing record: never in all their long history had they lost all three opening games without scoring a goal. 

Everton: Pickford, Patterson, Tarkowski, Branthwaite [Y:53'], Young, Garner [Y:63'], Gana (90+1' Keane), Onana, Doucoure, Dobbin (66' Chermiti [Y:90']), Danjuma (90+1' Cannon).

Subs not Used: Virginia, Lonergan,  Maupay, Mykolenko, Godfrey, Onyango.

Wolverhampton Wanderers: Jose Sa, Nelson Semedo [Y:39'], Dawson [Y:68'], Kilman, Bueno (85' Totti), Pedro Neto, Joao Gomes [Y:29'], Lemina [Y:52'], Hwang (46' Ait-Nouri), Matheus Cunha (85' Kalajdzic), Silva (73' Sarabia).

Subs not Used: Doherty, Traore Gomes, Bentley, Hodge.

Attendance: 38,851

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Dave Cook
1 Posted 26/08/2023 at 14:04:14
Dobbin, Branthwaite, Danjuma and no Maupay or Keane starting, we're gonna win!
Mark Tanton
2 Posted 26/08/2023 at 14:08:46
Fair play to Dyche - I thought he might be stubborn and stick with his preferred players. This shows, in my opinion, how serious the situation is already, he's rolling the dice early.
Craig Walker
3 Posted 26/08/2023 at 14:11:16
Fair play to Dyche. That's the best team he could play with the players he has today.

Please get 3 points.

Wolves beat us to demoralise our spirits during the last 2 relegation scraps. We need to start winning games like this at Goodison.

Nicolas Piñon
4 Posted 26/08/2023 at 14:12:49

No Keane and Maupay and the new Portuguese kid on the bench. That's something as a start.

On 60 minutes, Mykolenko and Chermiti in and Dobbin and Onana out. Garner in the 10 position, Young as a right winger, Danjuma in his natural left wing and finally a tall centre-forward where we need. Those are just about all my expectaciones for today.

Robert Tressell
5 Posted 26/08/2023 at 14:17:16
Well, those who wanted Keane to get the chop have got what they wanted. It's a big ask for Branthwaite to step into a makeshift team so let's hope it pays off.

Pleased to see Danjuma and Dobbin start – we at least have plenty of pace and mobility up front.

Let's hope Dyche is rewarded for the brave selection.

Iakovos Iasonidis
6 Posted 26/08/2023 at 14:18:04
I like what I see, proper starting 11.

Today we will win.

Dale Self
7 Posted 26/08/2023 at 14:18:33
It does look like he's been forced to make some early moves. His stubborn nature tells me his choices have stepped up in training and are ready to give it a confident go. May it fucking work out. UTFT!
Raymond Fox
8 Posted 26/08/2023 at 14:19:09
Remains to be seen how Branthwaite performs. I can't say I'm too confident with what could happen.

We are favourites so they must be bad; where's the goals going to come from again??

Apologies for being so downbeat but it's hard not to be, with the injuries and all.

Figures crossed that the new line-up can gel and get a goal or two.

Joshua Steadman
9 Posted 26/08/2023 at 14:19:50
Predictions please - the selection was about as good as it gets with all the injuries.
Frank Sheppard
10 Posted 26/08/2023 at 14:20:37
Pleased with that selection.COYB.
Raymond Fox
11 Posted 26/08/2023 at 14:24:35
Predictions Josua, I'm a god knows.
Robert Tressell
12 Posted 26/08/2023 at 14:27:28
It is a strangely attacking 4411 line up from Wolves today with Silva, Cunha, Neto and Hwang all starting together. They are set up like an adventurous home team with us looking more like a conservative away side in comparison.

They bear no resemblance these days to the classy side that Espirito Santos assembled around players like Rui Patricio, Wily Boly, Conor Coady, Matt Doherty, Moutinho, Ruben Neves, Adama Traore and Raul Jiminez.

They're not short of talent mind you, but you can see why they have also struggled.

Trevor Bailey
13 Posted 26/08/2023 at 14:31:47
Fingers crossed that Dobbin has a decent game
Christy Ring
14 Posted 26/08/2023 at 14:34:04
Delighted that Dyche has changed things, I doubted he would, so fair play to him. I hope Branthwaite justifies his selection, and keeps his place for the rest of the season. Need a massive performance today, a win will be a huge lift. NSNO
Paul Kossoff
15 Posted 26/08/2023 at 14:37:35
Why not give Cannon the first half? Danjuma is no striker. I bet he scores a hatrick 😀👮👮👮

Christy Ring
16 Posted 26/08/2023 at 14:39:35
I see Gnonto playing for Leeds today, no Adams for Southampton?
Alan J Thompson
17 Posted 26/08/2023 at 14:49:48
Given we might need all the options going given our two performances so far why are there two keepers on the bench, in case he has a change of mind should one be needed?
Denis Richardson
18 Posted 26/08/2023 at 14:54:34
Ok - first part taken care of. No Keane or Maupay in the starting XI. Surely Maupay must realise he's never going to fit into the system here - needs to ask for a move and not sit on his £50k/week on the bench.

I am quietly confident of a result today simply because of the above two changes.

I have Danjuma in my fantasy team – hat-trick please.

Mike Hayes
19 Posted 26/08/2023 at 14:55:00
Alan J Thompson - a new Everton thing - get 3 keepers in the goal mouth and hope 🤷💙
Jon Baker
20 Posted 26/08/2023 at 15:02:33
Has anyone found a decent link today?
Paul Armstrong
21 Posted 26/08/2023 at 15:21:17
Any decent link?
Nicolas Piñon
22 Posted 26/08/2023 at 15:41:39
Wasn't Semedo yellowed-carded twice?
Jake Lucas
23 Posted 26/08/2023 at 15:50:41
Paul 21


Alan J Thompson
24 Posted 26/08/2023 at 15:55:36
That was a decent half for us and Wolves look there for the taking and neither Branthwaite nor Dobbin look out of place.

I'd like Dyche to be a little more adventurous in the second half and bring Cannon on for Gana but he'll again fall into the trap of Maupay for his work rate rather than somebody who might be more likely to score.

While it hasn't looked bad so far, I'd like to see a little more width to stretch their defence and Cannon on might allow Danjuma to play as a winger or wider on one side again to stretch Wolves' defence.

Paul Armstrong
25 Posted 26/08/2023 at 15:58:50
Thanks Jake.
Kevin Molloy
26 Posted 26/08/2023 at 15:59:59
It'll be a different game second half. Wolves will be more confident having got to the break without conceding.
Oliver Molloy
27 Posted 26/08/2023 at 16:00:18
If we don't score !!–
Ed Prytherch
28 Posted 26/08/2023 at 16:04:22
Branthwaite is a footballer. He is alert, not afraid to go forward and passes well. He fully deserves hi start today. Danjuma is lively but he lacks the striker's killer instinct.

Bring Cannon on for Dobbin after 60 minutes.

Pete Hughes
29 Posted 26/08/2023 at 16:48:01
Well that was a surprise? Not!!!
Sean O’Hanlon
30 Posted 26/08/2023 at 16:50:44
Normal service resumed.
3 defeats. No goals.
Don Alexander
31 Posted 26/08/2023 at 16:54:33
No money, no strikers, no idea at the so-called top, no idea where the money's coming from to finish the White Elephant stadium – what could possibly go more wrong?
Ray Smith
32 Posted 26/08/2023 at 16:56:02
I'm numb, potential 7 pts from first 3 games, but no, dithering Everton 0 points.

Let's hope Beto doesn't change his mind before signing on Monday!

Why Monday, medical tomorrow, get him signed tomorrow.
I can see Fulham nicking him under our noses! Hope I'm wrong!

Kieran Kinsella
33 Posted 26/08/2023 at 16:57:46
Pretty annoying game. Hopefully the players don’t throw the towel in before our luck changes.
Mihir Ambardekar
34 Posted 26/08/2023 at 16:59:31
Why does it happen to us?? Devastating!

I thought we played well and deserved to get something.

Kevin Molloy
35 Posted 26/08/2023 at 17:01:42
That wasn't bad luck, we are just a very poor side.

Mediocre Wolves soaked up the pretty football, then stepped it up. A dreadful goal to concede as usual.

No doubt we will now spend £30M on a chap who wasn't even involved in the professional game 5 years ago. Averages ten goals a season in Serie A. What does that average out at here, 6? Just imagine. And take a look at his all round game, he's terrible.

But yes, if we can make it happen for thirty big ones, why wouldn't we?

Jason Saggers
36 Posted 26/08/2023 at 17:01:56
With any luck, we'll get deducted 30 points for breaching Profitability and Sustainability Rules and be relegated straight away.

I can't live with this misery anymore. It's the hope that gets you.

Ernie Baywood
37 Posted 26/08/2023 at 17:03:29
I haven't been any kind of Dyche supporter but he gave it a go today with what was available.

Can't argue with the application or the intent on the pitch either.

Its just not happening... And that's the quality in the final third. Including deliveries into the box.

Mark Taylor
38 Posted 26/08/2023 at 17:04:14
It can't be bad luck if it keeps happening. And it does.

Okay, there were some positives, we had our share of chances, and lots of crosses but their goalie bosses his 6-yard box whereas ours, great shot-stopper though he is, doesn't.

I can guarantee you that goal would not have happened had Sa been in our goal.

Alan J Thompson
39 Posted 26/08/2023 at 17:04:33
Another bloody Fulham! What more needs to be said?

Perhaps Pickford should have come for the cross or Tarkowski challenged for it in the air but it should be basic defending.

Don't really feel like saying much more, three games, no points, no goals.

Danny Baily
40 Posted 26/08/2023 at 17:04:34
No goals. No points. No clean sheets. Two winnable home games given up. Nothing to suggest we'll avoid relegation. Oh, and off the field we're in complete and utter disarray.

Has there been a worse period in Everton's history?

We can talk about fine margins, but this team cannot score a goal at this level.

Roger Helm
41 Posted 26/08/2023 at 17:07:16
“We lose every week - we lose every week - you’re nothing special - we lose every week.”

Alternatively when Sheffield United start their traditional “we hate Wednesday” chant we can reply with “we hate Saturdays” (courtesy Man City fans c 1998)

Rob Tedford
42 Posted 26/08/2023 at 17:09:23
One keeper has come and caught everything the other is on his line when the ball is 4 yards out, even though he pulls off unbelievable saves his refusal to come and catch anything is killing me.
Mike Doyle
43 Posted 26/08/2023 at 17:10:00
Danny #40,

The commentator I listened to said it was the first time in Everton's history that they have lost the first 3 games without scoring a single goal. The records keep on coming don't they.

Bill Whity
44 Posted 26/08/2023 at 17:11:26
We tried.

Sheffield Utd next. Let's hope.

Ed Prytherch
45 Posted 26/08/2023 at 17:12:09
Too many of our crosses were to their goalkeeper. Ashley young was the main offender. Patterson should not have been left to mark the giraffe, he had no chance to prevent the goal.
Chermiti offers some hope to get a goal or two. He looks like he is ready to start next week.
John Charles
46 Posted 26/08/2023 at 17:12:38
Just left the ground.

Two very poor teams who will both be around the bottom come the end of the season.

Positives:- Branthwaite was good; Chermiti looks like he might have something.

Negatives:- Young; Dobbin; Patterson particularly weak
The rest were just poor.

Bill Gienapp
47 Posted 26/08/2023 at 17:12:41
Disappointing: we've proven unable to live up to last season's torrid one-point-after-three-games pace.

Not sure what to think. On the balance, I think we've looked more promising than we did at the start of last season, but it doesn't count for much if you don't put any points on the board.

Danny Baily
48 Posted 26/08/2023 at 17:14:28
Bill 47, there's been nothing positive so far. Nothing.
Kieran Kinsella
49 Posted 26/08/2023 at 17:14:56
Garner seems to get a free pass but his crosses have been awful. The full backs terrible too. Gana playing like Tom Davies's grandad. Not sure what Onana does.

After Doncaster, we can focus on the league. Hopefully Harrison, McNeil, Coleman, and Calvert-Lewin are back soon they can make a difference.

Alex Gray
50 Posted 26/08/2023 at 17:15:19
Overall thoughts…

It was Fulham all over. Enough chances to score but didn't.

Danjuma played well until he got moved out wide. Get the feeling if a striker came in and he played in a front two he'd be a player.

Ashley Young's crossing was dire.

Dobbin worked hard but isn't the answer.

Midfield is an issue. Plenty of graft but unless on a counter they slow the game to a standstill.

Garner on the wing doesn't work. At all. He doesn't have a clue what to do.

Chermiti as expected is nowhere near ready yet and will need time.

It was a Championship team performance. Dyche has them motivated and chances come out of sheer graft but bar Danjuma there is no quality or tactics. Dom, Harisson, McNeil, Iwobi and hopefully Beto give us options but the team needs a balance and quickly.

Kunal Desai
51 Posted 26/08/2023 at 17:15:22
Will be third time unlucky this season. No relagation escape this time round. We are going down.
Jamie Crowley
52 Posted 26/08/2023 at 17:15:50
Soccer is a terribly, brutally unfair sport at times.

You outplay the opponent, the opposing keeper stands on his head, you concede a single smash and grab, and lose.

The effort was there today. We created multiple chances. We played well.

We were definably unlucky.

When Lady Shit Luck streams her poo your way, you have to look at the performance and ask yourself will that performance, over time, garner enough points to survive / succeed.

In this case, yes. Yes it will.

Be frustrated. Moan. It's a shit start.

But over the first three games I still don't see a relegation team. I really don't.

Branthwaite was fantastic. We need to keep him and start him every single game.

Danjuma, Chermiti and Dobbin all looked good. Keep those boys up front and we'll start seeing actual goals.

Joe McMahon
53 Posted 26/08/2023 at 17:15:56
I really don't know what to say, but I do know there is no team that has as much bad luck with the VAR as Everton (the media will ignore that though).

We shouldn't be worried about relegation though because as Bill says "One very famous football club said to me two or three days ago 'whenever we have a problem we say 'What would the Everton board do because they always get it right?'

Oh I do know what to say: a few weeks ago before the season started, I asked on this site will we stay up, and a few responded "Sure, there are a few worse teams in this league, Everton will finish about 13th." Bloody Hell, I want some of that belief!

Tom Bowers
54 Posted 26/08/2023 at 17:19:50
You could see this coming after halftime.

Wide open in the middle time and time again.

The midfielders just don't have any speed to match any team in the Premier League and woeful Wolves last week just found it so easy this week.

Garner is awful and Doucouré, despite some heroics last season, just cannot get to quicker opponents when defending.

Everton's right-hand side defensively is a mess and the left since McNeil got hurt isn't much better.

The new lads did quite well but it will take time to get used to the Dyche system (whatever that is).

All the bells are ringing right now. Three games, no goals, no points and we haven't played the better teams yet. What a shambles!!

Brian Denton
55 Posted 26/08/2023 at 17:23:11
We took 3 of the first 33 points in 1994-95 and stayed up. And won the Cup!

Alas, I see no Joe Royle on the horizon...

Andrew Bentley
56 Posted 26/08/2023 at 17:24:32
I say it week after week, but our issues run deeper than just the lack of a striker. Full-backs are the worst in the Premier League, offer little to nothing from an attacking perspective, and are woefully short defensively. Mykolenko is not the answer at left-back and we can't just hold out for Coleman to come back.

We need better options at full-back and someone in the midfield with some creativity and ability to pass. Gana, Onana and Doucouré offer us nothing as a 3 as they are too similar.

And then yes… someone up top who knows that the game is about putting a ball between white posts!!!

Next week will be massive to see if there is hope or whether we may end up pushing the record for the worst Premier League team ever!

I feel good about midfield wide positions with Harrison and McNeil to get back to fitness, and a fit (& firing!) Calvert-Lewin is huge, but our problems run deep.

Habib Erkan Jr
57 Posted 26/08/2023 at 17:25:16
The season starts after the break when we get injured players back.

Chermiti played well for his first match at 19. Few more games under his belt and McNeil's return he will be a handful.

Neil Lawson
58 Posted 26/08/2023 at 17:29:56
Nothing worthwhile to say. Just misery.

My daughter-in-law is a Wolves fan. My new Grandson was proudly wearing his Everton kit to watch the Lionesses last week.

4 months old and a lifetime of disappointment ahead. and years of apologies from me and from his Dad. Choose Wolves, son.

James Potter
59 Posted 26/08/2023 at 17:31:30
I don't buy this we're unlucky and it's unfair nonsense personally. It's about quality and composure in front of goal and we're not clinical enough, simple as that.

If you don't take your chances you'll get punished and, surprise surprise, we got punished again. We'll always give chances to teams and they are much more clinical than we are as has been proven already.

I don't think any manager will make any difference, we simply have a poor squad, lack of quality, and eventually that will get you relegated

Kevin Molloy
60 Posted 26/08/2023 at 17:31:58
If I had to put my finger on it, I'd say we are losing these games in midfield. There's just not enough energy in there.

Not that surprising when you have Gana and Doucouré, it's a brutal position when you're in your mid-30s, and the young lad is the laziest of the lot.

Their goal should never have happened for a number of reasons, but look at the angle of the ball, how is that not cut out at source? Lack of energy.

You just can't keep robbing 'Peter to pay Paul every year, not recruiting, and letting everyone good go. Dyche was saying last season that we were really short. From that thin squad, he's now lost McNeil, Iwobi, Mina, Davies, Holgate, Coleman Calvert-Lewin, and not brought anyone in other than Danjuma ready now.

Kunal Desai
61 Posted 26/08/2023 at 17:32:39
We might just scrape our first 3 points at home to Luton, end of September.
Oliver Molloy
62 Posted 26/08/2023 at 17:35:04
I thought Pickford should have come for that cross and cleared all in front of him, but oh no!

Always disappointed when we lose, but you could this result coming.

Six goals against already.


Tony Shelby
63 Posted 26/08/2023 at 17:39:40
Being an Evertonian can be a fucking curse.

Christ knows how blues aged under 35 find the energy to follow the club. I mean, why would you? The best they've had is losing an FA Cup Final and finishing 4th with negative goal difference.

Pat Kelly
64 Posted 26/08/2023 at 17:41:08
At least we're on something of a run!
Joshua Steadman
65 Posted 26/08/2023 at 17:41:21
Our problems are far more than just not scoring. As mentioned in other posts, the midfield three are too alike. Gueye has been awful since he returned. Onana is clearly talented but not what we need.

Our two current full-backs are poor. Sadly a player coming to the end of his career and Mykolenko are no better. I certainly think if we can manage a few goals against Doncaster, it could kick-start the season. We need our injured back as soon as possible. Any money for a midfielder?

Joe McMahon
66 Posted 26/08/2023 at 17:43:40
Oliver, it's like when he pushes the ball back in play such as against Forest last season (then they score). He does pull off some saves though, but yes stuck to the goal line like a lampost.

There must be a reason why the Champions League teams (and Spurs) that have replaced keepers have not made a move for Pickford.

Paul Greenly Jones
67 Posted 26/08/2023 at 17:45:19
Another weekend ruined by the now standard result we've become accustomed to.

Unfortunately, as a true long suffering fan dating back to the early 70s, the narrative for this type of result is now becoming more likely with the obvious lack of recruitment in the pivotal areas required.

I can see the green shoots of recovery, but am afraid that both time and financial constraints along with the prolonged media hatred of us, intertwined with dubious refereeing and farcical VAR decisions, will put paid to us this time around. I really hope I'm wrong.

Billy Shears
68 Posted 26/08/2023 at 17:46:31
No fucking about for our League Cup game, gotta go 4-4-2 and just go for it...





John Keating
69 Posted 26/08/2023 at 17:47:42
Everton should play Hibs midweek as a confidence booster before Sheffield Utd.

Hold on. Forget that

Ray Jacques
70 Posted 26/08/2023 at 17:49:30
The horrible frauds who own and run Everton deserve relegation. I have nothing but contempt and I suppose a hatred for what they have done to an institution that I have been proud to belong to for over 50 years.

Now I'm ashamed and embarrassed to be an Evertonian. My heart bleeds for my sons and grandchildren who buy kits and continue to believe in the charade.

Fuck Everton, joke.

Christy Ring
71 Posted 26/08/2023 at 17:50:21
I know it's like a scratched record, but Moshiri and Kenwright are the problem, not to have signed a striker is a disgrace.

Three games gone, no goals scored, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know where the main problem lies.

We also need our injured players back, and sad to say but we need Seamus back; Patterson can't defend, and Mykolenko has to come in for Young, who was poor last week and again today.

Dyche has to forget about Garner on the wing, should have been using Gray before he's sold.

I was impressed with Branthwaite today, he showed he's here to stay.

Stats from today, like Fulham:15 shots to 2.

Hugh Jenkins
72 Posted 26/08/2023 at 17:59:03
According to Alan Myers Beto is on a flight to Merseyside tonight.
Ian Styles
73 Posted 26/08/2023 at 18:03:48
Well, that's Wolves, Fulham and Aston Villa who have all won their last 3 trips to Goodison (Wolves being bottom or joint bottom twice at the time).

Let's see if we can flip that next week by winning at Sheffield United for a third successive trip. I'm not holding my breath as they will probably be on the back of two home defeats if Man City win there tomorrow, and we know who usually ends a club's shite run, don't we?

Jerome Shields
74 Posted 26/08/2023 at 18:04:52
Dyche is now under pressure, no matter how Everton played. Too predictable when the opposition goalkeeper has been practising saving them all week on the training ground.

After the disallowed goal, a point was worth saving. Fresh legs at the back and a defensive shape was needed. He did have enough players on the bench for that.

Dyche went gung ho and the point was lost. A bit better than the Fulham game, but caught out in a similar fashion.

Really was a sickener.

John Keating
75 Posted 26/08/2023 at 18:04:55
Next week, we are 4 games in

Lose next week we're gone.

Pat Kelly
76 Posted 26/08/2023 at 18:05:53
There's a long time to go before Iwobi, Coleman, McNeil,
Harrison all become available. Coleman and Calvert-Lewin are only part-timers when fit.

Chermiti is for the future. Young is from the past, didn't take long to find that out. The only surprise this season will be if we stay up.

Bill Fairfield
77 Posted 26/08/2023 at 18:06:15
The usual huff and puff with no end product. I suppose the manager will take his usual positives from it.

Another miserable weekend to be a Toffee. Seems like there's no end in sight to this nightmare, on and off the pitch.

Pat Kelly
78 Posted 26/08/2023 at 18:07:16
Hugh, have they told him today's result?
Mark Frere
79 Posted 26/08/2023 at 18:09:07
Highly frustrating, but I think we played quite well and on another day (same as Fulham match) we could've taken all three points.

Only Ashley Young had a bad game with his constant atrocious crosses and corners straight into their keeper's hands. The rest of his corners didn't even clear the first man. A really poor showing from him.

It was clearly Pickford's fault for their goal as he should've come out and at least punched the ball. Tarkowski was also poorly positioned.

It's early days – a marathon, not a sprint – and I think we will be fine if we can get the Beto transfer over the line and get our injured players back. I also hope we can add another centre-back on loan as we don't want to be relying on Keane or Godfrey as back-up.

Ian Edwards
80 Posted 26/08/2023 at 18:13:32
Beto to be the next in a long line of isolated one up front strikers chasing balls into channels. Following on from Tosun, Maupay, Kean, Calvert-Lewin, Simms, Dobbin etc etc
Jeff Armstrong
81 Posted 26/08/2023 at 18:20:01
Our problem isn't just up front, there's no goals anywhere in the team. Beto will not be the answer on his own.

Midfield and defence, when given opportunities like Patterson and Tarkowski have missed in successive home games, need to start chipping in when given the chance.

Onana, Garner, Gueye and Doucoure need to start scoring or at least creating, they're doing neither at the moment.

Jack Convery
82 Posted 26/08/2023 at 18:24:29
For Sheffield Utd the best we have is:

Garner, Tarkowski, Branthwaite, Mykolenko
Onana, Gueye, Doucoure
Danjuma, Beto, Young.

For Doncaster:

Patterson, Keane, Godfrey, Young
Maupay, Gomes, Onyango, Dobbin
Chermiti, Cannon.

Unfortunately we have players we dare not lose through injury in a cup match. So we must play the squad players. If that team cannot beat Doncaster – well, there's no words.

I know this is negative thinking and I hate it but we must put the Premier League games first and foremost. It needs to be like this until we sort ourselves out and find our feet once again in the Premier League – if we can.

Ian Edwards
83 Posted 26/08/2023 at 18:28:21
Jack 82. Gueye and Onana are holding us back.

For Sheffield Utd:

Patterson Tarkowski Branthwaite Mykolenko
Danjuma Garner Doucouré Young
Beto Dobbin.

Christy Ring
84 Posted 26/08/2023 at 18:31:57
Ian #80,

In all fairness, the list of strikers you've mentioned, apart from Calvert-Lewin are poor to say the least.

I don't see a problem with a striker with two wingers, and McNeil has been a huge loss. Sadly, we don't have a playmaker or a scoring midfielder.

Peter Mills
85 Posted 26/08/2023 at 18:37:08
It was a very frustrating afternoon.

I thought we played about as well as possible with the personnel available (Branthwaite was excellent). But there's the rub – those players, mostly playing about as well as they can, are not good enough.

They possibly could be with the addition of 3 or 4 top class players but, unfortunately, that isn't going to happen.

Iain Johnston
86 Posted 26/08/2023 at 18:42:19
For me, both Gana and Onana need benching.

Gana was caught 3 times in the first 11 minutes and Onana brings nothing.

I'd have Garner and Doucouré in the middle.

Bring Mykolenko back, Danjuma on the left, Dobbin on the right with Chermiti and Cannon up top.

As for the boardroom, what was rotten in Denmark has finally decomposed.

Branthwaite should now be one of the first names on the team sheet.

Frank Crewe
87 Posted 26/08/2023 at 18:44:10
We're not trying to win the league or qualify for Europe. All we want is mid-table safety. We are only 3 points from 12th to 15th. So no need to panic just yet.

We need a proper striker. But we also need more energy in midfield. Onana appears to have given up the ghost completely. If there is still any clubs willing to come up with £40 or 50 million for him, I'd sell and use the cash to freshen up the midfield as a priority.

Hopefully, once Harrison and McNeil are back, it will give us a better more energetic looking side. So let's wait until the window closes and we have some idea where we actually stand.

Ajay Gopal
88 Posted 26/08/2023 at 18:44:17
The team is obviously suffering from a lack of confidence and high anxiety in front of goal. I am on the side of those that believe that, once we open the scoring, we will be scoring regularly. Especially with the likes of McNeil, Harrison, and Calvert-Lewin to come back.

I thought the team played well, except Ashley Young who had a stinker. I am sure Dyche will replace him with Mykolenko soon.

The huge positive for me was Branthwaite. We have a real footballing centre-back in our hands. Most of the play from the back came through him and you could see the other players trusted him instantly.

What we absolutely need is a Gueye replacement in the starting XI – Carsley Mk 2, if you will, or a Gareth Barry Jr.

Assuming that the Beto deal is done, that should cover our attacking options. I hope Thelwell and Dyche go all out to find that ‘as-yet-undiscovered' talented defensive midfielder – a Palinha, a Paqueta, a Chiek Doucoure – someone who will provide shape and resilience to the midfield. If we do that, then I see us comfortably finishing mid-table.

The big ‘X-Factor' for us is Dele Alli. If he can get fully fit, and get his hunger for the game back, we will actually be a potent attacking force.

However, first things first. Dyche needs to somehow energise and motivate the team to forget about the Fulham and Wolves results and focus on playing with the same attacking intent for our next fixture, and find a way to bring out a goal or two as well as a result.

Jim Wilson
89 Posted 26/08/2023 at 18:45:26
Biggest nap of the day is that we would have a good goal ruled out by the VAR. That's 3 dodgy decisions in 3 games!
Geoff Hind
90 Posted 26/08/2023 at 18:47:26
Still the best football sketch and now totally relevant to EFC


Jim Wilson
91 Posted 26/08/2023 at 18:53:45
If Onana is dropped and Garner plays in centre-mid, Gueye's game will immediately improve, as will Doucouré's.

Onana is nothing more than an uninterested nuisance.

John Charles
92 Posted 26/08/2023 at 19:04:15
Some positives from today.

Overall play was okay – although 2 very poor teams.
Branthwaite was excellent.
Danjuma did okay.
Chermiti looked like he will be decent.

But Dobbin is so very very poor – Semedo had him in his pocket all day.
Midfield harries and chases well but creates nothing.
And Young was awful.

Kim Vivian
93 Posted 26/08/2023 at 19:09:17
There was nothing dodgy about the offside for Doucouré's goal. Clear as day. I couldn't believe they took so long.
Kieran Kinsella
94 Posted 26/08/2023 at 19:13:06
Effort is there, which often wasn't the case under most of our recent managers. And credit to Sean for somehow motivating them to maintain that effort despite constant failure. The likes of James, Gomes, Barkley would have thrown the towel in by now and sought exits or to avoid injury while doing little to nothing.

The problem is that the players aren't good enough: Young, a decent winger in his prime, now aged 38, seems our best bet at right or left back and has been terrible.

I still don't know who or why we bought Patterson when we were between managers. He couldn't get a game at Rangers yet we signed him for a lot of money.

Gana at his best was a tackling machine and now he's too slow to even do that. Another poor signing,

Ideally, McNeil, Calvert-Lewin, Harrison, and Coleman get fit ASAP and stay fit the whole season along with Tarkowski and Pickford. If that doesn't happen or we don't find some new players, then it's not going to be pretty.

Peter Jansson
95 Posted 26/08/2023 at 19:13:47
This I have said since that black cat entered the field when we lost 1-3 to Wolves. We need a playmaker in midfield or a more productive midfield. Someone who can pass a man and pass forward.

Still we play with Gana Gueye in midfield. Seriously, he does not have an inch of offensive qualities, he more or less can only play backwards. That makes our midfield crippled.

Still we shout that we need a striker, yes we need a striker, but the main problem is in the midfield. It is not productive enough. The engine in the team does not work properly. I have a problem seeing Harry Kane scoring if he was in this Everton team.

And cross passes into the penalty box, they always hit the target... I am joking.

Mike Price
96 Posted 26/08/2023 at 19:21:32
I just wish we'd have played some of the bigger teams while we're inundated with injuries and trying to build a squad.

We've blown two very winnable home games.

Iain Johnston
97 Posted 26/08/2023 at 19:23:20
John @92,

To be fair, mate, Semedo is a very experienced Portuguese international defender. Lewis Dobbin is a very green 20-year-old who is still yet to get to grips with the Premier League, almost zero experience at this level.

With the injuries we have to McNeil and Iwobi, not to mention Gray on his way, Dobbin has been thrown in at the deep end.

His attitude is right and he's a quick learner, bought a few good fouls today from his opponent, just a shame that the player 18 years his senior couldn't put a decent ball into the box.

Would it have been better to have played Young with Mykolenko behind him? Maybe… but I'm more concerned about the right side with Garner wasted out there, naturally drifting inside and leaving Patterson far too exposed.

Trevor Powell
98 Posted 26/08/2023 at 19:24:13
Desperately seeking some comfort. The three corresponding games against the same opposition at the same venues last season were:

Everton 1 - 3 Fulham
Aston Villa 2 - 1 Everton
Everton 1 - 2 Wolves

ie... Null Points

Just saying!

Brent Stephens
99 Posted 26/08/2023 at 19:29:05
Disappointing goal to concede after much decent possesion and play.

I'll take away the positives of Branthwaite and Chermiti.

Justin Doone
100 Posted 26/08/2023 at 19:30:26
When our lucks out, it's far, far, far, out!

Positives are in both home games we have created chances.

We simply need goals and clean sheets. I hoped we would not lose; sadly hope didn't get the memo.

Set up for 0-0 every away game because every point and goal conceded will soon tot up.

Please, Bill, read the script. Step down and appoint someone who can implement positive change.

Colin Malone
101 Posted 26/08/2023 at 19:31:15
I will say again, in a different way. Doucouré or James Rodríguez in the Number 10 role?

Doucouré runs his heart out for the club, but he ain't a Number 10. He has not got the talent to be a number 10.

Danny Baily
102 Posted 26/08/2023 at 19:33:58
Justin @100,

There are no positives to take from avoidable home defeats. We can't score and we can't keep clean sheets. Our only hope is that new arrivals and returning players see a massive upturn in performances, because we've been awful in the first three.

Paul Kossoff
104 Posted 26/08/2023 at 19:42:44
If we get beat by Sheffield United next week, then surely it's time to think about getting rid of Dyche. We can't do another wait and see, as in Lampard.

I said with the lack of attacking midfielders and forwards we would be bottom by Christmas, I never thought we would be bottom in August.

I know it's early days but days turn into weeks… before we know it, it will be Christmas, and we will be looking for salvation in January's transfer window.

Some of the players we have brought in are just not good enough or the usual excuse, they are not ready or inexperienced. Don't fucking buy them then!

We have scraped our way out of relegation the past few seasons, we won't have the luck again this one.

Onana, Gueye, Young, Chermiti and Patterson to name a few, either not good enough, not ready, or past it – even Harrison has a bad injury and he's not played!

Dyche is an army fitness instructor, not a top football coach. Tactically he's bang average. To top that, we have two fucking idiots controlling the whole sorry mess.

Six-pointer again against Sheffield United next week. Doncaster first, maybe a turning point either way.

Phil Wood
105 Posted 26/08/2023 at 19:45:19
No Luck, decent display. Better performance and players to come back.

Sensible team selection. Just not our day. Wolves did play Man Utd off the park 2 weeks ago and created a lot of chances at Brighton.

Decent performance blues. All is not lost. COYB.

Kieran Kinsella
106 Posted 26/08/2023 at 19:46:24
Paul Kossof,

Who would you replace Dyche with taking into account the window will be shut so the players will be the same?

Tony Everan
107 Posted 26/08/2023 at 19:54:51
It's not the manager or the players, it's the recruitment. No striker, no goals, no points.

If we'd signed Beto or anyone of average quality who can convert a chance or two, we'd have 6 points now out of 9.

Best team against Fulham, best team again today, just no one to convert chances. In either game, we would have gone one up with a half-decent striker and sat on it.

Get a striker in and things will change, we'll start winning by the odd goal instead of losing. It's not blinking rocket science, it's football, you need a goalscorer.

So shame on the board, recruitment or whoever is responsible nowadays for making the team fit for purpose, does anyone know? Whoever it is, shame on them.

Peter Jansson
108 Posted 26/08/2023 at 19:56:29
It does not help to sack Dyche. Our midfield is not good enough.
Colin Malone
110 Posted 26/08/2023 at 19:57:22
I will say again, in a different way. Doucouré or James Rodríguez in the Number 10 role?

Doucouré runs his heart out for the club, but he ain't a Number 10. He has not got the talent to be a Number 10.

Grant Rorrison
111 Posted 26/08/2023 at 20:08:31
It's nonsense to talk about changing the manager after just 3 games.

It's not as if we're playing really badly or the problem we do have is down to him or likely to be rectified by getting someone else, like Potter or whoever, in. We're just not taking our chances either because the players are low in confidence or they're just shit players.

We have Doncaster in the cup next and they're bottom of League Two so I would hope we'll finally score a goal (or more) and go from there.

We also need to nick a win against Sheffield United and stay above them and the other promoted clubs, as a worst case scenario, and go from there.

Paul Hughes
112 Posted 26/08/2023 at 20:14:41
Back home from the game and collecting my thoughts.

Positives: Branthwaite – looks class; Dobbin looked raw, but didn't stop trying. That's about it.

Negatives: Young's dead balls – didn't he notice the big fella in yellow who he hit them to every time; Danjuma through the middle didn't work; Gana Guaeye was dreadful, particularly in the first half.

Another game we should have won, if we took our chances – Tarkowski and Doucouré the main culprits this time. We need to sort it out soon before it is too late.

Gary Brown
113 Posted 26/08/2023 at 20:15:38

Aston Villa changed Gerrard last year early. Look at them now. The nonsense is sticking with this dinosaur. Even if he plays Beto and Calvert-Lewin, with two real wingers, that football died in 1980s.

You say “we're not playing badly”. We are bottom of the Premier League with no points and no goals. Dyche teams average just on a goal a game. He can't solve our fundamental issue. Like asking a plumber to change the fuse box.

Rob Dolby
114 Posted 26/08/2023 at 20:20:01
Lots of huffing and puffing but not one bit of quality from both teams all game.

Both keepers barely had saves to make.

Pickford with an absolute howler for their goal. Why didn't he even try to punch the cross? It wasn't even headed in, it looked like it came off his shoulder and went in.

Dave Abrahams
115 Posted 26/08/2023 at 20:20:24
Another disappointing result. Maybe we deserved a point but Wolves made a couple of good chances in the second half and we looked wide open at times. Good job the Wolves midfielder was suspended; he would have carved a few more chances against Everton's poor midfield players.

Pickford made a great save, it's what he is good at, but he gave Wolves a great chance when he misread that the ball coming back to him, it was well within his reach. He came, went back, then came again before the Wolves forward placed it wide. It's a pity he didn't come and challenge the Wolves forward who scored the goal, it's a real fault of his and happens every game.

The central midfield is letting Everton down as much as a missing goalscoring striker; none of them get hold of the game and create anything and only Doucoure looks like scoring.

We are not down yet but, unless some recruits are signed by next week, we will definitely be one of the favourites to go down – this squad is not good enough.

Robert Tressell
116 Posted 26/08/2023 at 20:20:53
What a shocking start to the season. Two home games where you'd have said on balance of play it would have been unlucky to draw – but to lose both without scoring is something else.

Really hard to stomach, and hard not to panic too.

Obviously there's an issue with scoring goals and then issues with quality across all areas of the pitch.

It looks like the Beto deal is happening and that will make a difference. Harrison and McNeil will make a big difference too when they are fit.

But possibly the thing we're really missing is the experience of both Coleman and Mina who really excelled at the end of last season. Both are organisers and leaders and we miss that. I don't see those qualities coming through from anyone else in the First XI unfortunately.

Personally, though, I think this is different to the situation with Lampard – and there's no immediate need to shit our pants and talk about sacking Dyche. But seriously we need a bit of luck coming our way.

Gary Brown
117 Posted 26/08/2023 at 20:26:06
Team I'd like to see at Doncaster:

Patterson Godfrey Branthwaite Mykolenko
Garner Onana Doucoure
Danjuma Beto or Chermiti Dobbin

Paul Ferry
118 Posted 26/08/2023 at 20:27:39
Erm, Rob Dolby (114):

"Both keepers barely had saves to make".

I think it helps, when you come on here to say something, that you actually get your facts right. Sa was by far Man of the Match today. He made seven saves, one of them verged on world class (Jordan also made a save that verged on world class).

He scored 40 points in the Fantasy Premier League bonus system which is the highest for any keeper who has played so far this weekend. Not bad for someone who "barely had saves to make".

Brent Stephens
119 Posted 26/08/2023 at 20:29:26
Gary #117,

You'd drop Tarkowski for Godfrey? Really?

And I'm not at all sure I've seen Virginia play as consistently well as Pickford (that's not saying Pickford doesn't have an error in him but...).

Paul Birmingham
120 Posted 26/08/2023 at 20:29:26
Today didn't achieve the win Everton's efforts deserved.

Plenty of hope, graft, but no end product for some of the decent approach play, as many have said, almost a replay of the Fulham game in some aspects.

Collectively if the players carry on with the same desire, the elusive first victory will happen and I believe Everton will beat Doncaster and Sheffield United this week. Yes, that's x2 away victories, back to back.

It's not just Maupay who can't finish, but so far in the Fulham and this game great chances have been wasted by defenders, midfielders and the forwards.

Judge the League position, after 7 games.

Get some of Everton's injured players back plus hopefully a couple of new players, Everton will find a level of form, enough to stay up.

No, feeling sorry for themselves, the players must fight their way out of this early rut, but good signs from Branthwaite,, who looks very assured, positional sense, reads the game and looks like he will be a leader, hopefully for Everton.

Dobbin, shows loads of honest desire and endeavour, and the new lad Chermiti, looks like he has the heart for the challenges coming up this week.

Hopefully some new players are brought in before the Blades game.

Viva Santo Domingo!

Christy Ring
121 Posted 26/08/2023 at 20:29:46
Just seen where Thierry Small gone to St Mirren on loan from Southampton, the grass is never greener sadly.
Robert Tressell
122 Posted 26/08/2023 at 20:32:56
Paul # 118,

I'd go even further and say that the Sa save was very definitely world class. It was an extraordinary bit of goalkeeping.

Pickford, in fairness, also made an excellent save – although quite what he was playing at with the Fabio Silva chance and the cross from which Kalajdzic scored is beyond me.

Grant Rorrison
123 Posted 26/08/2023 at 20:33:33
I said 'really badly' not just badly. I accept that no goals and no points from 3 games tells its own story. But, we are creating chances. Decent, makeable chances to score goals and no manager is going to make them go in. It's up to the players to take them.

True, Dyche teams don't average many goals and nearly all our wins (under Dyche) last season were 1-nil. But, if we had scored when on top against Fulham and also today against Wolves, I think we would have won both those games 1-nil.

Gary Brown
124 Posted 26/08/2023 at 20:42:09
“If” is worth precisely fuck-all.

What “chances” are you talking about? Doucouré's offside? Tarkowski's balloon? Danjuma's offside?

Sean Mitchell
125 Posted 26/08/2023 at 20:46:10
That was probably his first goal for Wolves.

How unusual it come against Everton.
Strange, that.

Jeff Armstrong
126 Posted 26/08/2023 at 20:46:16
The hyperbole on here is ridiculous, stop panicking! Even some experienced posters are starting to get an itchy bum.

Remember the season we took until October to register our first win of the season? 1-0 against WHU I recall. Well we probably didn't make anything like the number of chances that we've made in the last two home games back then.

We will be fine once the likes of McNeil and Calvert-Lewin return plus Beto is signing tomorrow, Jack Harrison will make a difference too.

I came out of Goodison today not particularly despondent but thinking in other seasons we'd be on 6 points after two decent home performances.

Chins up, let's see where we are after 10 games… with 28 still to play!

Dale Self
127 Posted 26/08/2023 at 21:01:48
Dyche is not a manager that will roll the dice. The Chermiti intro tells me he sees a chance without giving one up.

It didn't work out today but that is not a desperate move since he could have taken the point. We will drop some points from new approaches but these players look interested and will break through.

John McFarlane Snr
128 Posted 26/08/2023 at 21:03:08
Hi Peter, [85]

I've read every post on this thread and there is a distinct split in opinions, I tend to agree with your take on today's match. It's my opinion that what both teams may have lacked in skill, was made up with effort.

I understand that we can sit next to each other and see a different game, but I feel that a neutral would have enjoyed the game and a 1-0 victory for either side would have been a decent result to them.

Obviously it doesn't have the same effect on the followers of both teams, I felt as disappointed as any Everton fan, but I believe that at sometime or other we will play worse and win. I also believe that even then there will be criticism. You can't please everyone if you're a professional footballer.

Grant Rorrison
129 Posted 26/08/2023 at 21:03:21
Gary @124,

You missed the best chance of the lot. Doucouré having his attempt miraculously tipped over the bar.

We had enough play for me to believe that we could easily have had the lead and I think it would have been a different story come the final whistle.

Garry Martin
130 Posted 26/08/2023 at 21:11:18
The 'gods are against us', I can't see a way out of this spiralling disaster for our beloved EFC.

I can see Dyche gone by December – normal Everton reaction!

Barry Rathbone
131 Posted 26/08/2023 at 21:13:41
The long-term policy of buying barely functional, past-their-best footballers, hitched to players who struggle with basic technique, is going exactly to plan.

Who knew??

Dave Downey
132 Posted 26/08/2023 at 21:18:14
The save from Sa (who was excellent throughout) was as good as anything I've seen from an opposition goalkeeper in over 45 years of going to Goodison.

The previous one that sticks in my mind was also from a Wolves keeper (Patricio) and also at the Street End but we won that game. Little Bernard came on as a sub if memory serves and turned the tide in our favour.

Branthwaite looked quite assured at the back today but both full-backs were found wanting. Good game of football, apart from the result.

Craig Walker
133 Posted 26/08/2023 at 21:19:05
Gutted by the result today. I listened the official commentary.

I have a lot of time for Darren Griffiths but he shouted “Yes!” When he thought we'd scored. Told us a Wolves player was off for a 2nd yellow and said “These have offered nothing” meaning Wolves.

I said to my lad that every single time he says that, we lose. About 5 minutes later, Wolves score.

Gary Brown
134 Posted 26/08/2023 at 21:19:40
Brent @ 119 – against Doncaster? Yes, give it a go. Nothing to lose.

Tarkowski is massively overrated. Slow and tanker-like, 10% less than Keane though.

Gary Brown
135 Posted 26/08/2023 at 21:21:54
Grant, I described one half-chance and two offsides.

Your Doucoure chance was indeed a good chance and a good save. But two real chances all game isn't really “playing well” now, is it!

Brent Stephens
137 Posted 26/08/2023 at 21:25:39
Gary #134 - okay maybe go with that for the Doncaster game; I don't want us to go any further in that competition.

And it might just show up further the weakness of Godfrey (although a decent performance would prove little against that opposition).

Ernie Baywood
138 Posted 26/08/2023 at 21:31:16
We've had a couple of games where we've played decent.

The thing is... if we can't pick up points when we play alright then we're no chance when we don't.

This is real trouble.

Paul Ferry
139 Posted 26/08/2023 at 21:38:32
A couple of questions, Gary Brown.

Who was Man of the Match?

How many saves did Sa make?

Ray Jacques
140 Posted 26/08/2023 at 21:39:50
I agree, Ernie.

Owned by a moron.
Run by a fantasist.
Until the above changes, we will continue the slide to oblivion.

There is no hope with this ownership.

Grant Rorrison
141 Posted 26/08/2023 at 21:44:14
Gary @135.

I've never argued that we 'played well'. This entire exchange we've been having started with me stating that we are not playing 'really badly' and I don't think we are.

But, obviously we're not playing well enough to get points and that needs to change sooner rather than later. Still early days though.

Peter Mills
142 Posted 26/08/2023 at 21:45:24
John #128 – I'm partly with you!

Yes, watching the match objectively (as I am increasingly prone to do) it was an entertaining enough game. There was some good skill, effort and mistakes by both teams.

But, putting on my subjective, Evertonian head, I am deeply concerned at our overall lack of quality, and the absence of leadership on the pitch.

Kunal Desai
143 Posted 26/08/2023 at 21:52:07
29 home league defeats in the last 59 home games. Disgusting.

The days of David Moyes when we were difficult to beat and where we would only lose 4 or 5 at home all season is a thing of the past. Such a shame we won't be leaving Goodison on a high. Brittle as a toothbrush.

Mark Taylor
144 Posted 26/08/2023 at 21:54:40
Those who argue we are only 3 games into the season are, I think, missing the point. I see the last couple of years as a continuum. The 3 games in August show no real difference to that which went before for all those months. This is what worries.

Other than hoping somehow, something 'clicks', I can't see a way to change this trajectory, it is becoming ingrained. If we take nothing from the Blades, this could get ugly. Right now, I'd settle for a point.

John Keating
145 Posted 26/08/2023 at 21:57:27
Played well, unlucky, goalie had a blinder, etc, etc, etc… I've heard all this for years. Thing is, all the above means nothing. The only thing that matters is points on the board, regardless how we get them. Unfortunately, it's not happening.

We're quoted on spending money we don't have on forwards that sound as if they're no better than what we have presently. Better spending money on a loan deal on a proven scorer that'll get us out of this shit.

We've been lucky the last two seasons – this might be the one too far.

Raymond Fox
146 Posted 26/08/2023 at 22:01:14
Hands up who thought we were likely to win with that patched up side?

We were the best side in overall play again, but lacking a finisher once more. We will stop in the Premier League comfortably when we can put out our best players.

I knew they would get a goal late on, I don't know how many times that's happened over the last few seasons, it seems a lot; I was just waiting for it to happen again.

I think we are cursed it just seems that we get a kick in the goolies at every turn. It will change, I'm sure of that, we just need some luck on the injury front.

Grant Rorrison
147 Posted 26/08/2023 at 22:12:20
John @145.

Name any proven Premier League goal-scorer that you think would be available to loan and wouldn't have a whole host of suitors?

We've obviously tried that and failed and decided to put all our eggs in the Beto basket.

Paul Ferry
148 Posted 26/08/2023 at 22:14:00
Things will only get better, as you say, Ray (Jacques), when the business administration side of things is finally put right. Until that happens, we can only hope for the best on the pitch and put our hope into the lovely thought that we will get new owners, chairman, and CEO.

Meanwhile, some people choose to not give Dyche an inch and want him gone. Now I have been critical of Dyche in terms of his selections, game management etc. But he did alter his thinking and make changes today for the better, most seem to agree (before the match at any rate). Bringing in Branthwaite was the right thing to do; starting Dobbin was something different; bringing on Chermiti at that time in the match was something different.

Dyche is not to blame for Tarkowski's horrible mistake. We could count the ToffeeWebbers who think that he should not start in defence on the fingers of one hand.

Yes, there are other issues to mull over and more potential changes to consider: Young should be dropped or taken off set-pieces or subbed around 70 minutes; Patterson needs intensive one-on-one surgery for all aspects of his game; Gana is a shadow of his former self but I'm not sure that we have anyone at this time who can step into his boots; Garner, however, is not a wide player and he might be useful for either the Patterson or Gana dilemmas.

We did some good things on that pitch today (and some poor things). But we saw that Dyche is starting to show that he can think differently and we also know that there are players due to return or – Beto, I hope – boost the ranks who can make a difference for the better.

Now is not the time to dwell in doom and gloom. There might come a time for that but it is not now.

Mal van Schaick
149 Posted 26/08/2023 at 22:14:43
It's interesting to read the varying opinions, and who is to say that all of them have a degree of where we are, at the moment.

I can only say that we will have injured players coming back within the next few weeks and months, including any new signings, that should have a bearing on any improvement. But we have played some opponents on our level, ie, Villa, Fulham and Wolves, if we would have had all players available, we might have some points in the bag by now.

Until such time as we have a full squad to choose from, we can only play our fixtures with the players that we have available, obviously with team selection and tactics taken into account.

Paul Ferry
150 Posted 26/08/2023 at 22:15:56
Oh, and some strong leadership on the pitch would help.
Rob Dolby
151 Posted 26/08/2023 at 22:18:05
Paul @117,

I stand corrected, from my seat in the park end, I thought Doucouré put the ball over the bar, I didn't see the save at the time which was obviously top class as was his handling all game.

I just don't remember us having many clear-cut chances. I may have to watch MotD in the morning.

Paul Ferry
152 Posted 26/08/2023 at 22:29:17
Sorry for being so indelicate in making that response to you Rob (Dolby). You were there, I wasn't, you deserved better from me.
Sam Hoare
153 Posted 26/08/2023 at 22:42:52
According to WhoScored, the two best individual performances of the season so far have been Bernd Leno against us and Jose Sa against us!!

Yes, there's lots of things we might have done better but we have also been very unlucky.

Very small margins. With just a tiny bit more rub we'd be on 6 points. Though obviously you can only blame luck for so long.

Add Beto, McNeil, Harrison, Calvert-Lewin and Iwobi into that performance today and I suspect we win by 2 goals or more.

There are issues of course but there have been positives in the performance. Though of course it's results that matter. Dyche needs to start finding them.

Ian Riley
154 Posted 26/08/2023 at 22:45:12
Give me strength! Dyche out, fans saying.

Three players in by Thursday. The board have woken up!

The table doesn't look pretty! Let's give the guy half a chance with some new players.

Our work rate is better and a bit more quality we should be on 4 points! Get behind the players and let Dyche do his job. We are not relegated!

Worried? Yes, but today gave me hope. Now, Mr Chairman, pull ya finger out and get some players in ASAP!!

A bumpy road ahead but I remain positive! Things will get better!!!

Peter Mills
155 Posted 26/08/2023 at 22:49:00
Just to show how wrong one can get it at the match:-

About a minute after Tarkowski lashed the ball into the side netting at the Park End just before half-time, I asked the lads behind me “What was it disallowed for?”

Answer: “Erm, because the ball didn't go into the goal.”

Jay Harris
156 Posted 26/08/2023 at 22:50:48
I thought we played well up to a point today, just like the Fulham game.

The main problem we have is a lack of goalscoring ability throughout the team, whether it be full-backs, centre-backs. midfield players or forwards.

Now that can be compensated for if you have creative players but we don't have that either. Our passing and movement is good till we get to the penalty area then the lack of quality shows.

Dyche's tactics are also to play very narrow and throw balls into the box but, if you can't get accurate crossing and keep giving the ball to the opposition keeper, that doesn't work either.

I don't know what Demarai Gray has done to piss Dyche off but today was a game ready-made for him. I don't know when McNeill will be back but I can't see us doing much until he is. Average full-backs and static midfield players do not make for a lot of chances.

Forwards can't feed off crumbs so we need to tell Onana, Gana and Garner, if they can't get in the box and hurt the other team, then they risk losing their place. It's all well and good having a solid defensive midfielder but we do not need three of them.

Alec Gaston
157 Posted 26/08/2023 at 22:52:18
I think we were unlucky today and against Fulham. Put McNeil, Harrison and a forward (Calvert-Lewin, Beto, or Adams) in that side and we start scoring and winning games.

Encouraged by Chermiti's cameo too. This time last season, we weren't creating anything.

Mike Allison
158 Posted 26/08/2023 at 23:14:18
Dyche is awful! Two players out of the outfield ten with any attacking ability at all and we wonder why we haven't scored?!

Get him out ASAP so a manager who isn't scared to pick actual footballers can get started.

David Hallwood
159 Posted 26/08/2023 at 23:23:00
There were some positives out there but overshadowed by the negatives. But once again the midfield ran around a lot and are quite impressive closing down; however, the collective forward play is poor.

I expect more from Onana; yes, he's young and yes, he's still settling in to the Premier League, but for a player that everyone is marking down as a Champions League player, I just can't see it.

He's been up against fairly average midfields in Fulham and Wolves and I desperately want to see him grab the midfield by the neck and boss it. I'm not expecting a Peter Reid or Paul Pogba total control and 8/10 every game, but a 5-10 minute burst here and there.

When we get McNeil, Harrison and/or hopefully another wide player, I'd like to see Garner or even Dele Alli in place of Onana, or even Onana replacing Gana as the sitter, but he certainly isn't the box-to-box player he was touted as.

Gary Brown
160 Posted 26/08/2023 at 23:24:05
Spot on, Mike.

He's a KITAP1 manager, when the balls and technique means very few games aren't won by scoring more than one… Yesterday's man alongside Rafa and Sam.

Soren Moyer
161 Posted 26/08/2023 at 23:34:47
Bloody hell! We got beaten by a team that got tonked 4-1 at home by Brighton last weekend!

Young, Gueye and Patterson where truly awful. Gueye lost position 20 times according to WhoScored!

Gary Brown
162 Posted 26/08/2023 at 23:35:57
Paul Ferry.

Man of the Match for me was Branthwaite. Their keeper made one very good save, and then caught every dog shot cross that came in from our 38-year-old right-footed left-back.

George Stuart
163 Posted 26/08/2023 at 23:39:07
It's like some wierd fictional cartoon.
Or a bad dream.
I've seen nothing like it.
Paul Ferry
164 Posted 26/08/2023 at 23:50:54
Watch the game properly, Gary Brown.

Catching a cross does not count as a save. Sa made seven saves (not one of them from Young). He was light years ahead of any other player on that pitch in terms of PFL points, light years. But don't let actual events get in the way of what you choose to say!

And your other post @160 was equally articulate and perceptive.

John Raftery
165 Posted 26/08/2023 at 23:53:04
Mike (158),

To which ‘actual footballers' do you refer?

Maupay for whom nobody has a good word?
Iwobi, injured?
McNeil, injured?
Calvert-Lewin, injured?
Coleman, injured?

Jack Convery
166 Posted 26/08/2023 at 23:54:50
Sheffield Utd trying to get Divock Origi in for next week —aaarrrggghhh.
Mike Price
167 Posted 26/08/2023 at 00:02:41
Pickford is a liability but so many on here adore him because he makes the odd fantastic reaction save. He costs us far more with his basic errors, howlers and never coming for crosses.

Now we're stuck with him because his agent pretended that Man Utd, Spurs and Chelsea wanted him. Not in a million years would they sign him but his agent used his stalking horses to negotiate an improved and lengthened contract.

He's a negative, but so many think he's a positive and our saviour. He sums up the dysfunction that Everton has become.

Paul Smith
168 Posted 27/08/2023 at 00:04:13
As if Pickford is the main problem at Everton.
Ray Griffin
169 Posted 26/08/2023 at 00:06:09
Every club in every professional league knows they constantly have to work hard at making improvements every season just to keep up with the rest.

Whether it's gradually replacing ageing players or buying and introducing new players, squads have to be constantly refreshed just to compete.

We have totally failed in these basics for years but everyone knows this. I've played for Sunday morning teams that were better run.

We're going downhill rapidly and if the morons in charge think it's hard now, what do they think it's going to be like in the relegation end of the Championship?

All I have to say to Kenwright and his mates is – get out of my club! I detest your years of mismanagement and your ineptitude! Go now and we'll have some chance to save us from a fall we may never recover from.

Ray Jacques
170 Posted 27/08/2023 at 00:09:03

I don't think Pickford is great but without him we would have been relegated season before last.

For the quality and expectation that is modern Everton, the lad is better than we deserve.

Paul Ferry
171 Posted 27/08/2023 at 00:15:20
I blame Pickford for our awful start to the season. Not scoring any goals is utterly shambolic and Pickford is the main reason for that. Anyone who says that is not true lives in cloud-cuckoo land. The fella from Peters and Lee would have scored that sitter Pickford missed.

I also blame Pickford for picking Keane, playing Garner on the wing, playing Gana, telling Patterson his defensive game is good enough, not subbing Young, the club debt, buying fairly elderly players at fairly inflated prices on fairly long contracts, for letting the narcissist stay on as chairman, and much else besides.

We might actually score a goal if Dyche drops dysfunctional

Christine Foster
172 Posted 26/08/2023 at 00:21:10
That was a hard watch.

Gana was caught so many times it was shocking,
Dobbin is not at Premier League level,
Young and his dead ball delivery was utterly dreadful,
Pickford made a great save but didn't command anything,
Tarkowski lost his man for the goal,
Braithwaite looked way better than Keane, etc etc..

For me, we should have won, created 5 or 6 clear chances but contrived somehow not to score..

Dyche did as much as he could have done with team selection, I can't blame him for this one, perhaps with the exception of a missing Gray?

What now? Another week to bring in fresh blood, Calvert-Lewin, McNeil, Mykolenko and Harrison would make a significant improvement…

Woke up feeling like I have got a hangover, not a drop was touched.

Mike Allison
173 Posted 27/08/2023 at 00:23:26
John, anyone who can create and score goals. Demarai Gray for one.

Iwobi should have played in the middle, he's dreadful on the left and always has been. Garner is a defensive midfielder who can play right-back, he's not a right-winger. Danjuma has been on the bench. Simms, the only centre-forward at the club, was sold and Maupay selected up front instead. Doucoure is playing as a 'Number 10'.

The selections are utterly dreadful and have been in all 3 games. We've had a back 4, 3 defensive midfielders, Doucouré (what is he, ‘box-to-box'?) and then one creative player, Iwobi, out of position.

The manager's job is to get the best out of what he's got and he's a million miles away from that. He's got us playing with at least one hand tied behind our backs. If he picks another unbelievably negative line-up against Doncaster, then we'll get beaten there as well.

Kevin Edward
174 Posted 26/08/2023 at 00:26:03
Really disappointing, the longer the game went on it seemed likely that Wolves would get a few chances, just look at the difference putting away just one chance can make.

You could call it smash and grab, but I call it clinical, something we can only dream of at the moment.

Some more positive signs, but someone needs to make something happen – and fast, the lack of quality is mind-boggling.

Kieran Kinsella
175 Posted 27/08/2023 at 00:30:39

Ironically, the club training video this week only showed one player practicing shooting: Pickford. Seriously.

Mike Price.

People don't focus on Pickford's errors much because they are fewer than anyone else's in the team and his upside is far greater than anyone else in the team. Since Richarlison left he's easily been our best player by a country mile.

Is he perfect? No, he is a human being so mistakes are made but he's one bright spot in this squad.

Paul Ferry
176 Posted 27/08/2023 at 00:36:35
Hahahaha, great spot and shout Kieran!

With all that needs addressing, managing, and putting right at our club, Pickford is way down the pecking order, he might not even be on it.

Paul Kossoff
177 Posted 27/08/2023 at 00:44:10
Kieran, who would I replace Dyche with?


Gavin Johnson
178 Posted 27/08/2023 at 02:02:05
I'm bitterly disappointed with yesterdays result, but I'm not ready to throw the baby out with the bath water with talk of sacking more managers.

That patched up side was missing DCL, McNeil, Iwobi, and Jack Harrison.

We've also got Chermiti who already looks like he can make a contribution from the bench, and we look like we've finally brought in a striker (touch wood) who looks capable of replacing, or pushing DCL in Beto.

That's a lot of attacking talent to come back.

There's also talk of Sulemana or even Che Adams still coming in. One of those in addition to Beto would be an excellent window all things considered, and I don't it would be too late to salvage a comfortable, albeit, lower half finish.

Paul Birmingham
179 Posted 27/08/2023 at 02:26:36
Ride the storms, it's getting very tense on ToffeeWeb. The worst start in history, but on another day it could be 6/9 points on the board, if collectively this squad could take very good chances which have been made at Goodison Park so far.

Judge after 7 games with rationale and reason. And then it's a fair call and it is what it is.

Everybody hurts but in crisis let's stick together and keep our powder dry. Beat Doncaster and Sheffield United and the air we breathe will be different, this season will start.

Pure bad luck finishing, lack of confidence to take the killer shot. Get our stalwart McNeil playing again ASAP, spirit, skill, and fight. Doucouré plays better with McNeil, more natural.

UTFTs! Viva Santo Domingo!

Kieran Kinsella
180 Posted 27/08/2023 at 02:41:21
Paul Birmingham

Good post. There's lots of ways to spin stats. I seem to recall the last time we won the cup was after “the worst ever start” in terms of 10 or 11 games without a win. Moyes had at the time the worst ever points total.

The year Dunc was sold, I think it was about November when Michael Ball with a penalty scored our first home goal of the season.

I remember one year Sheffield Utd under Dave Bassett had about 6 points by Christmas then went on a cracking run after which he held Christmas parties in August.

Or more recently, before the mid-season Saudi takeover, Newcastle were “relegated” but bounced back and finished above us as well as others.

Conversely in 1994 when we survived v Wimbledon on the last day we were top with nine points after 3 games at the start of that season.

Worry and concern are understandable but panic or accepting relegation at this point is madness.

Paul Birmingham
181 Posted 27/08/2023 at 03:06:26
Kieran, spot on.

The club has been paddling with one broken paddle in Shit Creek for sadly decades. But this statistically poor start to the season doesn't write off this season after 3 games. Let's give some time and rationale to see what happens in the next month.

I'm convinced this season will not be as bad as the last two seasons, if... a few players and at least a striker who knows the 6-yard box and the goals posts, and the target areas, in the box and kill zone.

But the strikers need a quality supply line of balls fed in at the right pace, angle, and scope for mop-up, if not converted. Reactions, anticipation and resilience to never accept defeat until the last whistle. But it's a team effort, and collectively imho, this is an area where Everton still look feeble.

All for one and one for all and one-in all-in needs to be the fighting spirit at this stage of the season.


Kieran Kinsella
182 Posted 27/08/2023 at 03:32:37

Maybe we are both mad, mate, but I also don't think this season will be as bad as the last two.

I think Harrison is an excellent signing. McNeil proved himself once Dyche left but more importantly the effort, the energy of the team is much better than under Frank, Rafa or Carlo's last 6 months.

Obviously we've got problems and we are where we are because of the owner and chairman. But despite everything, I've seen enough good things to feel positive.


Way back on the posts. I know you know Branthwaite's dad and even while the media were slimming stories he wanted out you said that was incorrect. Well, I'm glad you seem to be right.

Two years ago I thought he did okay a la Shane Duffy back in the day but I felt a bit nervy any time the ball came near him. Different story today. He seemed calm and composed unlike Keane, Holgate etc. He didn't do anything flashy but he did his job well.

I hope Sean sticks by him. Maybe he can do more and be our new Stones or Baresi but right now I'm more than happy with him being a sensible, calm, dependable defender. Anything beyond that is a bonus.

Ed Prytherch
183 Posted 27/08/2023 at 03:59:19
If Branthwaite stays healthy and plays in most games, then he will be the equal of Ben White by the end of the season. He has it all.
Joshua Steadman
185 Posted 27/08/2023 at 04:16:30
I genuinely love the optimism. My only concern is that our problems go far beyond just missing a goalscorer.

Our full backs are awful. Coleman is no longer the best right-back in the country of only a few years ago, so Dyche cannot change it, even if he wanted to.

Our midfield is garbage. Gueye has been dreadful since he returned and I am still struggling to see what Onana brings to that side.

We are also presuming the players missing will instantly improve us. I also think it is going to turn quite nasty if we lose at Sheffield Utd. Let's hope we win comfortably at Doncaster and the confidence slowly returns.

Steve Brown
186 Posted 27/08/2023 at 04:46:29
The main feedback on TW after last week's defeat was:

1) Bring in Branthwaite, Danjuma and Dobbin.
2) Drop Keane
3) Do not play Maupay
4) Get more effort and commitment.

Dyche did all of those things, but once again we lost due to poor defensive play for which Tarkowski, Pickford and Patterson are collectively responsible.

This team is missing Iwobi, McNeil, Harrison, Calvert-Lewin and Coleman. Beto and/or Adam will be added, while I still think we need a centre-half and full-back. Let's see what things look like when they are all in contention.

One thing Dyche must do next week is move Garner into central midfield and drop either Gana or Onana. I don't care which one.

Steve Brown
187 Posted 27/08/2023 at 04:51:25
Just one to add.

In the last 9 games that Iwobi has missed, we have lost all 9.

Jim Bennings
188 Posted 27/08/2023 at 06:55:04
Pickford made a wonder save yesterday but I hold him culpable for that goal unfortunately.

As a goalkeeper, you've got to be coming out battering everything in front of you when it's in the 6-yard box but he's been rooted to the spot.

Until we start putting the ball in the net, then yesterday and Fulham have and will become the norm.

If Beto signs then he simply has to start at Sheffield United next week, none of this "he's not fit blah blah blah".

Alan J Thompson
189 Posted 27/08/2023 at 06:59:23
While I think that Gana should be replaced by somebody with more attacking intent or all-round ability, I can't see some of the criticism the midfield is getting and most particularly, "They don't pass it forward or create enough". So who is it they are supposed to pass to, overlapping full-backs who then have the same problem?

Then there's the "We'll be better when we get McNeil and Harrison back". Firstly, Harrison has never played for us and we don't know what is wrong with McNeil and it will probably be near Christmas before we see either and who knows how Gray has upset Dyche. And if all three were available, would you play more than one at the same time and if so which two and is Danjuma in that boat as well?

While some may be welcome problems, I assume if Beto signs and, hope above hope, Calvert-Lewin recovers fitness which of those two and Chermitti won't like being on the bench – unless of course one of them is the emergency reserve keeper's reserve.

Has Mr Dyche been offered this year the same £3.5M bonus as last? Hope springs eternal.

Sam Hoare
190 Posted 27/08/2023 at 07:27:33
Calvert-Lewin (looking fitter), Beto, Chermiti, McNeil, Harrison, Iwobi, Danjuma, Iwobi, Dobbin with either Gray or possibly someone like Sulemana replacing him.

Those are considerably better attacking options than we had last season and I think once a few of those players are settled and fit (most should be in the next couple of weeks) then we will start scoring more of these chances we are creating.

We have an xG of 5.21 so should really have at least 5 goals already were it not for a combination of woeful finishing and superb goalkeeping.

My worries now revolve more around the defense (including defensive midfield). Branthwaite was good yesterday but Tarkowski was not and I think we possibly have one of the weakest back fours in the league. But we were never going to be able to fix all the holes this summer.

Hopefully Patterson may improve and perhaps Mykolenko should get another shot. Would be nice if we could manage to sell Godfrey or Keane but lord knows who would take them. £50M worth of centre-back there apparently.

Ian Riley
191 Posted 27/08/2023 at 07:34:04
The club has consistently sold its best players. Sacked managers consistently expects what? Managers who have come and tried to change our style of play for the better have been run out of town.

The squad is bang average and some fans expect success. No! Reality is Dyche will go by January and who next? Simply running out of options.

Every manager is presented with the same problems. How is a young and hungry manager expected to do at this club? The battle between reality of the squad and expectations in the stands. I am as guility of this, terrified of relegation. Personally I don't think we would return for years if this happened.

Sadly, the club has been very lucky to remain a Premier League club for so long. No plan, no direction, only utter bang average at best. Currently, we must accept staying up is success. These players and the manager are doing their best.

Still I believe, things will improve! See you all in church.

Chris Leyland
192 Posted 27/08/2023 at 07:45:38
Jim, Pickford had a share of the blame for the goal but Young's aimless punt straight to their player whilst under no pressure whatsoever started it all off. We were then out of shape and they had an overload down our left. The lack of effort in trying to stop the cross then compounded matters. Then Tarkowski lost his man and left free to touch it in.

If we aren't going to score at one end, then we have to stop the stupid unforced errors and players switching off that put us under pressure at the other.

I'd put Mykolenko back in. We shouldn't be relying on a 38 year old and Mykolenko is a better defender. Whilst Young should offer more going forwards, he doesn't and his set-piece delivery has been abysmal.

We've also got to get some width in the side and move Garner central. Whilst Dyche has been unlucky with injuries to his wide men, his refusal to put Gray in the squad doesn't help him. Yes, Gray is inconsistent but he does possess lighting speed and can run at people and stretch a game when needed.

Steve Shave
193 Posted 27/08/2023 at 08:01:34
Agree Chris @192, Mykolenko is a young, developing player and an international. He is suited to Dyche and should be reinstated ahead of Young who should, in my opinion, have been brought in as back-up only.

Coleman, Harrison, McNeil, Iwobi and Calvert-Lewin all to return and hopefully the emergence of Beto as a focal point for attack. I think we will be okay this season, let's pray that someone other than Sheffield Utd and Luton are worse than us. Branthwaite is going to be a bright spark this year.

It really does feel like we are cursed doesn't it? When we fold we really fold, when we play quite well, it just doesn't seem to want to go in. The VAR almost never goes our way. More false dawns than you can shake a stick at. Everyone seems to want us to implode too. I know that sounds like a childish moan but we just never seem to catch a break!

Jerome Shields
194 Posted 27/08/2023 at 08:03:36
Whilst Dyche did the right thing in dropping Keane and Maupay, his other selection regarding positioning even with limited players has not been great and his game management has been dreadful.

The players are fit, though there is a defensive lack of pace and predictability going forward, exasperated by poor, mostly non-existent final-third interplay, the latter being a perennial problem. Someone needs to get a grip on crosses that make goalkeepers look better than they are. Confidence will suffer and ineptness in training could rise. This is a real big danger for Dyche.

Dyche has not got the mix right in this team and is getting caught out tactically the same way every game. A one-dimensional team in the Premier League is cannon fodder, such is the level of adaptability – something that Dyche refuses to entertain every game.

It is time to get to the heart of the problem, rather than continue the same hoping for the best. Everton cannot afford to sack Dyche so it is going to be a painful process of turning this around. A few lucky undeserved results are needed.

Eddie Dunn
195 Posted 27/08/2023 at 08:17:25
Steve @186,

I totally agree on Garner. Wasted out on the right. When he drifted in near the end, he immediately looked a class act.
He could slot those crucial balls through the gaps that the others don't see.

Doucoure's effort was fantastic but Onana and Gana faded badly. Young was knackered on the hour. It was a makeshift line-up that stuttered its way along creating chances in a random way. Wolves kept their shape and picked us off.

Defensively we were undone on our left again and the coup de grace was in the gap between the statue, formerly known as Tarkowski (who seems to escape criticism) and the hapless rookie right back.

Patterson is terrible. His only attribute is reasonable pace and fight. Positionally he is lost, he can't cross and he is caught upfield too often.

Their right back Semanya was immense.

I am not one of the gloom merchants. We will improve and climb the table. We need a bit of luck and one or two returnees to turn the tide.

Dyche is far from blameless, but today he did what many were calling for and, although it was shambolic, we did make chances.

However, if he can't see that Garner in central midfield will make us tick, then he is blind or stupid.

Tony Everan
196 Posted 27/08/2023 at 08:28:59
It's not easy to stay calm and controlled after three straight defeats, but it's what we must do.

With a xG of just under five expected goals, it's clear the team are functioning well enough to create the chances, we just don't have anyone who can finish even one of them.

We have Beto coming in and Calvert-Lewin will be back after the international break. Then at least one chance per game will start getting converted.

So for me, it's doubling down on putting the hard miles in, work through this rocky period and pick up points starting next week.

At the moment, any criticism has to be levelled at the delay in getting a striker in. With the xG as it is, it's quite reasonable to say that failure has cost us 6 points.

The worst enemy now is a self-defeating slagging off the players and manager that damages confidence. Get behind the team with a proper goalscorer up top, Beto or Calvert-Lewin, almost guaranteed for the rest of the season we will improve to mid-table and may even get a good cup run going.

COYBLUES and UTF TOFFEES! The season begins now.

Andy Meighan
197 Posted 27/08/2023 at 08:32:49
Gary Brown is right.

Villa got shut of miserable arse early last season and are now reaping the benefit. Emery was working with the same players and turned it around efficiently.

Get rid of this dinosaur now before it's too late. Sneering at the press in his presser saying crisis – don't make me laugh.
Go in any of the pubs near the ground last night and ask anyone if it's a crisis, and the answer will be an unequivocally 100%.

We could have played all night and not scored, and here's another thing, why is Young on every set piece? Everyone of them went down the keeper's throat.

A bad bad side with an equally shocking manager, who lets face it, no other Premier League team would have touched with a barge pole. Keep him at our peril because, mark my word, he will relegate us.

David Bromwell
198 Posted 27/08/2023 at 08:52:50
It was fairly obvious yesterday that a single goal for either team would win the match; however, for our part, we continued with a major flaw which has been evident in all our games this season.

For some reason, we have a theory that we are dangerous when we win a corner and we have the same routine with every one. Someone – yesterday it was Young – whacks the ball in and we scramble to win the header. It's boring to watch, and ineffective. Surely it's time to introduce a little variety.

Laurie Hartley
199 Posted 27/08/2023 at 09:22:10
Beaten by a sucker punch in this game. Wolves had been playing it on the deck all game but their tall centre forward comes on, 85 in, looks back to his midfield, points to his forehead with two index fingers, long ball in from the left on 87 minutes plonked right on his head – game over.

Very disappointing given the effort that had been put in up to that point but I think we will come good.

Special mention for Doucouré – he is playing his heart out for us.

Alan Corken
200 Posted 27/08/2023 at 09:23:29
Chris 192. I agree with you re: Gray.

Yes, he is inconsistent, but has been amongst our most effective players in the last few seasons. For the life of me, I can't understand why he hasn't been played in the first few games.

Points are going to be hard to come by this season so home matches against the likes of Fulham and Wolves are where we need to focus our effort.

And whilst I am on the subject, it is unfathomable that we should waste so much time on what looks like an unsuccessful pursuit of Gnoto. Is he really a upgrade on Gray?

To be honest it reeks to me of replacing the enigmatic Deulofeu with dull and hapless Bolasie.

Terry Farrell
201 Posted 27/08/2023 at 09:23:57
Just seen Arsenal ignore an 'injured' Fulham player and carry on playing and 30 seconds later score a goal.

Everton take note. We kicked it out of play in a good situation for a Wolves player who wasn't badly injured!

Let the ref make the decision to stop the game! How much do you want to win the game? We need to be more ruthless.

Andy Meighan
203 Posted 27/08/2023 at 09:38:35
Mike 173.

Iwobi couldn't have played anywhere he's injured, and likely to be for a few weeks.

Brian Harrison
204 Posted 27/08/2023 at 09:47:52
I just hope when all the injured players are back fit we are not in a position of being to many points behind 4th place.

By and large, most of this squad have been here for the past 2 relegation battles and the last thing we needed was to start with 3 losses and no goals. Their confidence must have taken a hit despite the fact that they could and should have won both home games.

Apart from Harrison, I don't see any player we have brought in is going to increase our goal-scoring ability. I think since Lukaku left we have struggled to get anybody into double figures, and I think only Calvert-Lewin once and Richarlison have managed that. Then when you add in that our midfield and defenders hardly ever score, it's no wonder when good chances come along these players don't convert.

Wolves' winning goal was started when Young under no pressure gave the ball to Wolves in the centre circle then to compound his fault he failed to stop the cross coming in. Tarkowski lost his man and, had we had the Wolves keeper in our goal, he would have come and collected that cross where Pickford made no attempt to compete for the cross.

Bill Fairfield
206 Posted 27/08/2023 at 09:50:35
Surely the tide will turn soon if we keep creating that amount of chances. Keep up the hard work on the training pitch, and surely our luck will change in front of goal.

As someone once said, the harder you work the luckier you get. UTT.

John Raftery
207 Posted 27/08/2023 at 09:57:24
Terry (201),

Spot on. I raised this many years ago with Seamus in those halcyon days when players attended open forum events with fans. There had been an incident at Arsenal when Arteta went down injured and Baines put the ball out of play. It was a quarter final cup tie which Arsenal were leading.

Seamus replied that they wouldn't be doing that in the future. He was true to his word but without him on the pitch yesterday we returned to our naive old ways. We are too soft.

Denver Daniels
208 Posted 27/08/2023 at 09:58:02
People need to get a grip. Villa apart we created enough chances to win both home games. The lack of compusure in front of goal is what's hurting us. Doucoure being the main culprit. Tarkowski belting it wide when when a side foot would have done the job. The lack of football intelligence is another issue. Branthwaite looks very promising. Garner was disappointing but he seems to be able to do no wrong on here. Gana on the ball was dreadful. Young was pathetic. On and off the ball. Why did we not change the set piece deliverer? Catching practice for their keeper. Good to see Dyche starting Dobbin and bringing Chermiti on fairly early. Patterson and Tarkowski equally at fault for the goal. Tarkowski for his positioning and Patterson for ball watching, perfect delivery though from out wide. A hard pill to swallow but not the end of the world.
Mike Connolly
209 Posted 27/08/2023 at 10:09:44
You look at our team and you think, we need a forward and then you move on and say a couple of strong fast centre-midfielders. Before you know it, we need a whole new team.

I can't blame Dyce but I thought we would be harder to beat. I don't think Pep or Klopp could do anything with these. I'm resigned to going down.

The only thing benefitting this is the new stadium,which will open a year later, and hope we get up first time. This is the lowest I've been 62 years supporting them. UTFT

James Marshall
210 Posted 27/08/2023 at 10:20:31
It feels to me like we've already incurred a points deduction. Looking at the early table, the pattern looks set for about 6 or 7 shit teams to fight it out for the bottom 3 spots.

We'll be fighting that fight for some time I reckon. Only solace I can take is that with our injured players playing and possibly this Beto fella, we might actually put the small round thing in the big square thing from time to time.

Ian Bennett
211 Posted 27/08/2023 at 10:24:47
2 defeats against 2 terrible teams.

34 shots, not one goal.

Opposition has had 4 shots on target, and guess what: two defeats.

The team has no quality in the top half. No one to score or create good chances.

Everyone needs to take responsibility for how low we have fallen. We are 20 years behind on finding technical players. We are fixated on buying a big physical forward and a big physical midfielder with zero ability.

Dave Lynch
212 Posted 27/08/2023 at 10:33:52
I personally don't take any positives from this team including the manager. It doesn't matter how well people perceive we are playing... we are losing games, end of.

This was an easy start to the season and, when our injured players return, it will be in time for us to cross swords with the big boys. God help us...

This manager is a one-dimensional one-trick pony, not a forward-thinking tactician. Two more defeats and he's toast imo.

Gary Brown
213 Posted 27/08/2023 at 10:41:14
For all those saying we were unlucky and played well, the xGA for both teams yesterday was basically 1-1. At home. To Wolves.

It could have gone either way. It went to the team with more quality.

Gary Brown
214 Posted 27/08/2023 at 10:44:14

Patterson was focused on the man behind him. Had he left him free and doubled up on Tarkowski's man he'd have been utterly slaughtered.

Tarkowski lost his man, and dinosaur arms was behind his line not even trying to catch in his 6-yard box.

Steve Brown
215 Posted 27/08/2023 at 11:12:20
Our xG yesterday was 1.34, better than Luton, Bournemouth, Notts Forest, Brentford, Palace, Fulham and Wolves in their games this weekend.

Not good, but not as bad as you are making it out to be Gary.

Robert Tressell
216 Posted 27/08/2023 at 11:25:06
For those who cannot understand why Gray isn't playing, the reason is simple — he's being sold and we cannot afford to let him get injured.

Lester Yip
217 Posted 27/08/2023 at 11:39:14
It's a very frustrating game that we were organised and got more chances than the opposition (same as Fulham game) but the luck was against us. Same issues that we're not clinical enough in front of goal. But I believe things will turn as long as we keep trying.

Chermiti looks good he holds up the ball and use his body well. I can see why he's being purchased. I also think Onana not only made some good interceptions, but spread the ball well and some creative pass attempts.

I think Patterson needs to be more careful with his passes. His passes to the wrong side of the player almost caused break and also his final delivery has to be better. We need McNeil back to the side.

Dave Lynch
218 Posted 27/08/2023 at 11:39:42
What the fuck is this xG bollocks?

It's BHBOTN (balls hitting back of the net) that count.

Meaningless stats bandied about mean jack shit when you're bottom with nil points and a minus goal difference.

Tony Heron
219 Posted 27/08/2023 at 11:40:07
I'm a Pickford fan but I have to admit that I wonder if he practices crosses in training? Any ball in or around the 6-yard box I would expect my keeper to be involved.

For the goal yesterday, his feet were actually behind the goal line and, leaning backwards, he was off balance and unprepared to come for the cross or deal with the header. Very poor.

Barry Rathbone
220 Posted 27/08/2023 at 11:49:25
We're in the twilight zone, a case can be made for applauding the chances made which, if converted, gives us a comfortable win – but unfortunately we lost!

Villa was abysmal but the other two games have been close so rumoured additions do have the potential to turn such losses into draws and wins.

It's tough but we knew it would be.

Maybe a touch of bloody minded grit is required from us all to take it on the chin and rise above those sniping at us because, if the club has anything, it is defiance.

At Waterloo, the undefeated French Imperial Guard thundered up the hill to finish off the allied army. The Duke of Wellington waited then called "Now, Maitland, now is your time". And the hidden lines of General Maitland's Guards rose from the long grass to meet the startled French and blast them back down the hill.

We are awaiting our Maitland moment, it will come. We must have patience.

Tom Bowers
221 Posted 27/08/2023 at 11:51:43
You can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear is the saying and that's exactly the situation at Goodison.

The club is in a dire financial situation by all accounts and yet they are spending so much on a new venue. Will it be the best stadium in the Championship?

The writing is on the wall for all to see and it just seems we are in quicksand.

I know many are now calling for heads to roll, especially Dyche, but honestly does anyone think that Guardiola, Klopp or Ten Haag can do anything at this club without a massive influx of cash investments.

That's the bottom line and in the interim they are stuck with what they have and have to pray that some of the new blood will soon settle in and help get them get out of this awful mess.

Tony Everan
222 Posted 27/08/2023 at 11:53:44
Barry, too late, he’s signed for Lyon.
Trevor Bailey
223 Posted 27/08/2023 at 11:54:07
Dave @218.

Couldn't agree more. I thought it was just me. Bores me to tears.

Barry Hesketh
224 Posted 27/08/2023 at 12:00:19
I don't know which is the more worrying, the terrible, abject performance at Villa, or the two Goodison games where the team performed reasonably well but lost both matches. Unfortunately, losing has become a habit, and our record at home in the last few years is far below any expectations.

It's okay if not totally acceptable losing to those teams which are going for Europe, but to continue to suffer losses to pretty ordinary teams is soul-destroying and confidence-sapping for everybody connected to the club.

We can only hope that when the squad is free of injuries to the better players, we might be able to start picking up points. Meanwhile, we are all praying for our first goal, point and win of the season. It is still early days, but the pressure from the outside will continue to build and the mental fragility of our squad will be on display for all to see.

Mark Murphy
225 Posted 27/08/2023 at 12:00:55
@222 wild applause!!

Only saw the second half but saw some positives tbh. Danjuma, Chermiti and Branthwaite to name 3. Doucouré also looked engaged.

I thought Pickford should've claimed the cross for the goal but then the save he made earlier is what he's best at. Patterson and Young were poor – bring back Mykolenko and McNeil and we'll be better.

And I thought Dyche didn't give youth a chance? Dobbin, Cannon, Branthwaite and Chermiti all given a run out! And he left Keane out of the starting 11. Quite a few shafts of light for me in an otherwise disappointing defeat.

Dave Abrahams
226 Posted 27/08/2023 at 12:04:28
Barry (220),

What formation did the Duke of Wellington use? 4-4-2, three at the back or 5-3-2?

I know it was successful but I think it would be out of date now, especially with some of the soldiers (?) we have now and a goalkeeper who can't command his own little area.

Brian Wilkinson
227 Posted 27/08/2023 at 12:21:06
Pickford is getting a lot of unfair stick and name calling on here, he made two errors of judgements, not coming off his line; one nearly led to a goal, the second one did. The unbelievable save he made has been overlooked.

In hindsight, it is easy to say Pickford should have collected the cross, I will not dispute that; he could have. He came off his line last week and handed Villa, in my opinion, a very harsh and soft penalty.

There is every chance he could have come for it yesterday, got in the way of Tarkowski, and caught in no man's land with everyone screaming at Pickford for the howler. He had a split-second to decide whether to stick or twist; he put his trust in his centre-half and edged back to his goal line.

Not for one minute am I excluding Pickford from the blame, but there were others involved who could and should have dealt with it better.

On to my second point and this involves the youngsters, on which it seems we are divided 50/50. You have those, me included, who have been calling for some of the youngsters to be given a chance, have been pulling their hair out saying they cannot possibly be any worse and will learn from any mistakes but will only get better.

I have been calling for over a season for the likes of Mills, Warrington, Branthwaite and Cannon to be given a chance. We saw first hand yesterday how well Branthwaite and to an extent Dobbin played. Until you give them a fair crack, you will never know.

However, with similar posters suggesting at least trying some, they have been shot down with experts saying Dyche sees them in training. Too young, need to go out on-loan, and even been ridiculed for the outrageous suggestion of giving some of the youngsters a go.

We have no goals in three games, the window is about to slam shut in less than a week, and we are flapping at getting Beto or Adams over the line, in this three week of panic. Surely it could not have done any harm to give Tom Cannon 20 minutes minimum each game to at least see if he can solve the problem of putting the ball in the net.

Cannon is a more natural finisher, whereas Dobbin is a more wing type attacker, cutting in.

I am not saying for one minute Cannon is the answer, but he would certainly have put a couple of those chances we missed away. Now if Dyche has any sense, before letting him go to Preston on loan, he should at the very least give him two-thirds match time in the cup game at Doncaster on Wednesday.

I have every confidence Cannon will get goals. I would prefer we kept hold of him, but fully expect him to go out on loan again.

Sooner or later, though, we need to start having a bit more belief in the youngsters, and give them a chance. And before someone jumps in saying "Yeah, look at Under-21s – been hammered twice!"

Well, maybe the fact that some of their youngsters are rotting on our first team bench, and the likes of Mills, Tyrer, Warrington, and Welch loaned out, we are down to the bare bones for the U21 team. They are missing Tyrer, Welch, Warrington, Mills, Cannon, Dobbin, Onyango and Branthwaite, who are either out on loan, or making up numbers on the subs bench.

All I am calling for is a bit more belief in the youngsters. If we are for a third season in a row sticking with the same formula of getting players in, some mediocre at best, then why not try something different and give one or two youngsters a go?

I would be more than happy to see Branthwaite remain in that defence for the remainder of the season; he will make the odd mistake, but he will learn from them.

Gary Brown
228 Posted 27/08/2023 at 12:22:53
Steve B,

I would love to know how you round 1.34 to 2 goals and not the 1 goal I made a point about in my post?

Some acting like we battered Wolves, and it simply isn't true.

Gary Brown
229 Posted 27/08/2023 at 12:25:01
In fairness, the Duke of Wellington's tactics were likely far more modern than Dinosaur Dyche's…
Steve Brown
230 Posted 27/08/2023 at 12:40:54
Gary, it's just data. It took me 5 minutes to look it up in The Athletic.

Here are also the ages of the players in yesterday's team under 23 got on the pitch:

Branthwaite: 21
Patterson: 21
Onana: 22
Garner: 22
Dobbin: 20
Chermiti: 19
Cannon: 20

Dave Abrahams
231 Posted 27/08/2023 at 12:45:14
Brian (227),

I think Pickford is being called for the Wolves goal because not defending his 6-yard area is a constant and justifiable complaint made about Jordan, he is rooted to his line in every game when he should be alive to the danger that is coming in.

I think the outstanding save he made has been mentioned a few times on this thread, I know I did. But you can't allow that but not mention his poor reaction to the goal conceded.

Sean O’Hanlon
232 Posted 27/08/2023 at 13:01:47
Completely agree with you Dave (#231).

Pickford is well known for not challenging high balls, and prefers to root himself on the line. It is a feature of his game throughout his chequered career.

A good save does not justify a terrible error. His basic mistakes costs us at least 12 points a season.

Ian Bennett
233 Posted 27/08/2023 at 13:02:40
It's not just one mistake, it's countless:

Young aimless ball,
Gana goes chasing after the ball and leaving his slot,
Young out of position,
Tarkowski nowhere near the ball,
Onana offering nothing,
Pickford not challenging for a header from 4 yards out.

Rank errors from countless players – again!!!

Frank Crewe
234 Posted 27/08/2023 at 13:08:42
I find it galling to say the least that the keeper and defenders should get blamed for conceding a goal in a side that appears to be incapable of scoring goals of its own. There is only so much a defence can do. At some point we have to start scoring more goals than the opposition.

This is the third season we have started without proper forward cover. Hopefully if we sign Beto, Adams or both to add to Chermiti and get Calvert-Lewin fit then we will have gone some way to finally addressing this shortcoming in our squad.

Once this is done, we need to look at the midfield. Weak, slow and totally lacking creativity. This needs a serious revamp.

Brian Wilkinson
235 Posted 27/08/2023 at 13:30:59
I get that, Dave, and it is something Pickford needs to improve on, he is just not confident at coming out and collecting a ball. The few times he has done it, he has made howlers. In the Anfield derby last season, he came racing out and left an easy tap-in. On a few occasions he has mispunched the ball when coming for it.

There is no doubting he is an excellent shot stopper, but seems to lack confidence in coming to collect a ball in mid air. Whoever the footballing coach is, should be seeing that weakness and working Pickford harder at coming and collecting the ball in mid air.

That should be one of the first lessons of a goalkeeper, to come out and catch a ball, or at least punch it away from danger.

Dave Abrahams
237 Posted 27/08/2023 at 13:35:29
Frank (234),

Yes, it's true that Pickford and the defence were not responsible for the defeat but they were for the goal.

You make a very valid point about the midfield, it offers little and needs a good coat of looking at. I wouldn't blame Doucouré yesterday, I thought he ran and fought the whole game. Yes, he has his faults, lack of control and poor passing, but he is the only central midfielder who is capable of scoring a goal.

There are a few positions that need strengthening beside the essential strikers that have been on the waiting list for a long time.

Mark Ryan
238 Posted 27/08/2023 at 13:38:49
I see small green shoots emerging and I'm quietly optimistic.

We were awful against Villa but there are signs for hope. Once we have McNeil, Calvert-Lewin, Coleman, Beto, Chermiti, Harrison and Danjuma fully integrated, we'll be fine.

Keep the faith, people!

Robert Tressell
239 Posted 27/08/2023 at 14:08:08
Brian # 227, I'm very pro-youth – but with a sense of realism about it.

Branthwaite was head and shoulders above everyone in every game I ever saw him play for the U23s when he was only 17. He would have been the best centre-back, best midfielder or best full-back (where he sometimes played).

He played a few games in the first team and you could see the class, did a loan at Blackburn where he was patchy, and then was gradually introduced to the side at PSV on loan and excelled in some games – including a few in the Champions League.

None of the other youngsters we have are remotely in his league in my view – except possibly Jenson Metcalfe.

We'll see this season whether Stan Mills and Lewis Warrington are anywhere close to deserving a chance in the first-team squad but right now they're both miles off. No recognition from England youth at any level - and only 1 appearance at Championship level between them. They were both good but not amazing in the U23s / U21s with lots of players of that standard in most academies.

Dobbin and Cannon are a bit different so I can see the call for their involvement – and I was glad to see Dobbin in particular in the absence of Gray. I thought that was a brave move by Dyche and Dobbin did okay.

Like you say, Cannon was probably worth a much earlier run out, as a sub for Dobbin with Danjuma moving out wide. But in fairness, Chermiti looks the better player so you can see why we went for him instead.

We're already seeing with the likes of Garner, Patterson and Onana just how hard it is for them in the Premier League despite the obvious talent. So we can't just blood these youngsters on the basis that "they can't be worse" because they very definitely can be worse – especially on boring basics like positioning, closing down passing lanes and decision making etc – all the things which often go unnoticed but make a huge difference.

Raymond Fox
240 Posted 27/08/2023 at 14:10:40
Gary 228, just check the highlights – their goalie was the Man of a Match.
Paul Tran
241 Posted 27/08/2023 at 14:13:11
I'm thinking back to a year ago, when we were hardly creating any chances and despite the 'top class coaching talent', it looked to me like, as with Silva, the players were over-coached to the point where they weren't sure what they were supposed to be doing.

I'm contrasting this with the 'KITAN1 dinosaur manager who has sent out a team that's created a pile of chances in two out of three games.

The team desperately needs a focal point up front who knows where the goal is. I'm not blaming Dyche for the club's seven-year reluctance to buy players who can score. We need to put that right this week.

James Hughes
243 Posted 27/08/2023 at 14:29:14
Gary #228,

Steve B - I would love to know how you round 1.34 to 2 goals.

I think Steve uses the Everton Accountancy team. Their motto is: Pick a number, any number, if the first doesn't look right!

Steve Brown
244 Posted 27/08/2023 at 15:20:42
Boys, I am claiming no responsibility for The Athletic's stats team. I just quoted them!

I plead not guilty, m'lud!

John McFarlane Snr
245 Posted 27/08/2023 at 15:31:54
Hi Kunal [51] & John [75] I would like to take you back to the 50s.

In the 1957-58 season, Lincoln City had to win their last 6 games to avoid relegation, and they did exactly what was required, finishing 1 point away from the drop.

The following season, Everton lost their first 6 games, scoring 4 goals and conceding 20, there were 22 clubs in the First Division at that time, and Everton finished in 16th position and 7 points clear of relegation. I was serving in the army in Cyprus at the time and didn't see any of the Everton games.

Kim Vivian
246 Posted 27/08/2023 at 15:46:59
Only just seen your post @218, Dave Lynch, but I so much agree with you.

I can't get my head around xG goals or whatever it is. Means toss all at the end of the day doesn't it. Or does it?

Ian Bennett
247 Posted 27/08/2023 at 15:54:47
The xG stat means nothing if you haven't got a clinical goal scorer.

We could have an xG of 200 and it wouldn't count a carrott when there is no one on the pitch capable of scoring.

If you don't have someone capable of scoring double figures, you're bang in trouble.

Garry Martin
248 Posted 27/08/2023 at 16:02:56
Any thoughts on points deduction in October?

Worries me to hell!

Dale Self
249 Posted 27/08/2023 at 16:05:36
This review of xG is getting borderline retarded. You don't fancy stats fine, stop the Brighton worship and do it ‘Arry's way. The stats are mathematically constructed from measured actions in actual matches.

To believe they don't matter is basically a rejection of observed history. It's early so I could be a bit off the mark but damn, please use different slagging techniques. You don't want to get Stuart Sharp involved here.

Mark Taylor
250 Posted 27/08/2023 at 16:09:09
Others have already said this but it is alarming that Pickford does not appear to be coached on commanding his 6-yard area. That is something that needs to be done in conjunction with the defence, so they know when he's likely to come and when he won't.

Being specific yesterday, the world class save was from a cross he could not come for. The disallowed goal was more moot but it was whipped in low and fast and I don't blame him for not coming.

But the goal was a clear-cut error. Of course the wide player should not have been given all the time he wanted to set up the cross. But it was a high inswinger from out wide and ample time for a good commanding goalie to at least punch it clear if not catch it.

Note from the replay, he was not rooted to the line. His position was 2-3 yards from his line but he then back-pedalled, ending up behind the goal line and so no chance from any kind of flick, given the forward was only 4-5 yards out.

I honestly don't know what his problem is. Surely it can be coached out of him. Is anyone even trying?

Anthony A Hughes
251 Posted 27/08/2023 at 16:13:18
I think we've been watching shit for so long that a lot of us seem to be taking it really well that we've lost 3, are bottom of the table with no goals and -6 GD.

The lows and lows of being an Everton fan.

Gary Brown
252 Posted 27/08/2023 at 16:16:50
Garry, yes! My thoughts are that we worry about that when and if it happens. We have more than enough misery right now without this.
Oliver Molloy
253 Posted 27/08/2023 at 16:24:54
Joe @ 66,
Yesterday is the very reason none of these CL teams have come in for him.
Yes, as you say he is a decent shot stopper, but as those on here will there is reason I refer to Pickford as "calamity".

He definitely wins us some points, but as yesterday he costs us a right few also.
He always has a mistake in him, bad judgement on tol many occasions.
I have watched that goal over and over and there is no doubt that our keeper should have seen it coming and cleared all in front if him.
I personally think he is way over rated.
Let's hope he reads this and plays a blinder against our next opponents who without doubt will fancy it against us.
Tough times for Evertonians.

Kim Vivian
254 Posted 27/08/2023 at 16:52:30
But Dale - if we can go through the season collecting winning xGs, surely that will keep us up, won't it? Even mid table...
lo effin l.
Mark Murphy
255 Posted 27/08/2023 at 17:26:37
Garry - I reckon the league will be just and even handed and deduct the same number of points (9) from both City and us. And everyone will say that’s fair enough. But City will just go on to win the league by 2 points instead of 11 whilst we’ll go down. 4 points from safety and only 2 points clear of the shite on bottom.
Dave Evans
256 Posted 27/08/2023 at 18:04:13
If people are using a yardstick that has Onana down as average, I am not sure why Garner isn't read as very average.
Kieran Kinsella
257 Posted 27/08/2023 at 18:59:05

Those muskets were dodgy at the best of times. Then again if Maupay and co surged forward with weapons that don’t aim properly maybe they’d hit the target as their own aim is off

Jeff Armstrong
259 Posted 27/08/2023 at 21:50:16
2 games in with more luck we could have been on 6 points, we’ll be okay this season as long as there’s no points deduction,

Saying that, if we have no points in October there will be none to deduct!

Dyche, you're a genius.

David West
260 Posted 27/08/2023 at 22:17:43
Who honestly thought that we would dramatically improve by adding
A 38 year old
A player on loan
A 19 year old prospect
And adding in hot prospect Branthwaite??? If you thought so, you are deluded.

If you thought we would suddenly become free flowing, goal scoring, hard as nails, tough to beat and grow a back bone over night you can't have known how bad we were the last couple of years !!

Our problems are deeper rooted.
Creativity has been our problem since anchelotti left.
Dyche seems to be getting the same players lampard had creating more chances without Gray, without Mcneil, without Iwobi on Saturday.

Adding Mcneil, Harrison, Beto, DCL
Iwobi & maybe Adams/Gnoto and CB will improve us, but we are still in for a long season.

I belive we will be more than safe when we get these players back & new faces, Dyche isn't panicking Lampard style. I just hope we get a win or 2 in our next 2 games to relive the pressure off him as another change of manger won't help stability wise, financially or mentally for fans or players.

Gary Brown
261 Posted 27/08/2023 at 22:33:50
David West, despite disagreeing with you on the need to change managers, your point is very well made. Well, it would have been if you didn’t act like a 5 year old in calling anyone an other a difference of opinion “deluded”.
Dale Self
262 Posted 27/08/2023 at 22:40:57
Gary 260, I looked up some synonyms for approximately deluded and found ‘sadly mistaken’ Would that be acceptable return banter?

And Kim 254, I’m struggling with the concept of a winning xG. It is an expectation of future outcomes. Ex ante ex post and all that.

Neil Copeland
263 Posted 27/08/2023 at 22:46:43
Oliver #253, fair point about the goal but very few keepers would have made the save that he did. Having said that, he was fortunate not to give goal away when misjudging the through ball earlier in the second half.
Kim Vivian
264 Posted 27/08/2023 at 23:29:55
Dale - Strike "...winning", insert "...better".

Help you?

Dale Self
265 Posted 27/08/2023 at 23:39:29
I came to take back my smartass stuff and be, ugh, more mature.

The reason I go weird on this is that the banter is outside a window of acceptability for me. Joking about a mathematical statistic is like Don Quixote and windmills. I simply start in on the fallacy of the joke at that point.

If one were to take the approach of asking why we constantly get told we have a high xG but no actual G then we are getting somewhere. I will continue below with the rest.

That is the crux and you can go two ways with that. If you have a positive (G-xG) then you have something in your setup or squad that is over performing relative to other comparable team experiences. Negative (G-xG) and something is holding you back from converting those opportunities.

We know we have a problem with quality of forwards that explains the negative stat. That we are generating opportunities that statistically are associated very strongly with actual goals is a plus. That plus what we’ve seen with our eyes is enough to get behind the team with faith now for the xG lovers.

We can now debate the Venn diagram of Happy Clappers and xG lovers.

Phil Lewis
267 Posted 28/08/2023 at 07:22:08
Sell Pickford. Sell Onana. With immediate effect.
Use the money to rebuild.
Problem solved.
David West
268 Posted 28/08/2023 at 14:14:23
Gary 260. I don't think the delusional comment is really an attack. Don't take it to heart lad!!

I'd say its the perfect word to describe my point about people believing that a striker will turn us into some free-flowing Everton side of the '80s.

Delusional: Holding false beliefs or judgements about external reality that are held despite incontrovertible evidence to the contrary.

The evidence is there for all to see. We will improve in my opinion under Dyche, we will be safe, but it's going to be a slog and it's not going to be pretty.

The squad's so thin as we know that these couple of injuries we've got have ruined the start, that's not Dyche's fault and I'd argue most managers would struggle with the players he's had to choose from.

If we are still Bottom 3 after we've played a few games with Calvert-Lewin, McNeil, Iwobi, Coleman, Harrison, Beto and any other signings, I'd change my opinion as the evidence would be there to see.

Dale Self
269 Posted 28/08/2023 at 14:21:30
Kieran, I was trying to think of a clever response and then you were gone.
Alan J Thompson
270 Posted 28/08/2023 at 17:22:29
It must be remembered that Wellington, on whose name a lot of our game is based, brought on a German sub, Blucher, late in the game who changed it completely which again sounds a name similar to us of late, Ablution, whereas Mr Dyche again brings on subs with only minutes left of extra time.

And if we aren't playing Gray because we want to sell him then we shouldn't play anyone as we'll need to sell them all if we get relegated so we can avoid bankruptcy.

Derek Thomas
271 Posted 29/08/2023 at 08:09:18
Jim; spot on about Onana.

I'm still not convinced, though to be honest, I'm not too convinced about Gana either, but somebody might still give us cash money for Onana... as long as they don't want to foist McTominay or Maguire on us as part of the deal.

Tom Bowers
272 Posted 29/08/2023 at 12:24:17
Gana and Garner are quite honestly not up to snuff.

Very few players ever have the impact when returning to the club they left and Gana to be honest wasn't that impressive first time around.

The other ''midfielders'' have been off and on for quite some time but Iwobi works tirelessly and arguably will be missing for a while.

If we cannot compete effectively in midfield then winning games will be a problem as it has proved so far this season despite the offensive woes.

We need the new blood in the team and the quicker the better even if the win column takes longer to show better numbers.

Trevor Bailey
273 Posted 29/08/2023 at 13:07:59
I think the problem lies with the lack of runners and general speed of the majority of our attacks. Like others think losing Iwobi may prove costly. With more energy provided up front, the more effective he would be.

I sometimes get the impression that someone will make a
run, nothing comes of it and they become less interested to try again. But if we can offload him especially now he's injured it could prove beneficial to the squad.

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