Fans voice travel discontent at Bramley-Moore Dock; controversial parking zone put on hold

It is basically only them who have the say so, to implement improved transport links and parking. I was at the event yesterday, and that was only at under half capacity, what will a full match attendance be like in the not too distant future?

Isn't this what these test events are for? To identify bottlenecks necks and issues that they need to sort before August? Of course there were snags yesterday – 25,000 is still a large crowd of people to get away.

I was in that “massive flock” at the bridge and it took about 10 minutes to get through. There were other routes to take to avoid that. Is the next test event a full house? Let's see what they learned yesterday.

Personally, I thought it went quite well.

We left early so didn't hit the post match queue over the bridge, but I guess as people get used to it, other routes to cut up to Great Howard Street, before the bridge, are available. It's still early days. Even the useless Council are belatedly getting their act in gear.

Queen's Drive absolutely rammed. Trying to find ways around it, with different routes, only to find everyone else is doing the same thing.

Talking Goodison now, but I tend nowadays to wait somewhere until it dies down, and walk away from the ground to get a cab into town.

They either walk or do what I do Paul. For Everton home matches, I often head across the Park, have a drink in the Arkles because it's easier there than Country Road. As I make way, there is absolute carnage on the Stanley Park Car Park, with jousting like car jostling going on to get out. It will be the same for them.

Same here Mark. There were a few issues that need ironing out. Frustration that some of this wasn't thought of prior with some forward thinking. Until there is something better in place though, it's our left and right feet that are carrying us there!!

Stephen #6, not on match days they're not. Headlines proclaiming parking restrictions have been lifted refer only to non-match days.

All this is going to happen and the transport situation needs to reflect and service that. Are any of the spaces and old dock areas that are suitable for temporary parking until the Council sorts out the problems?

I used to be able to park on the old Anfield Comp grounds for Anfield derbies with a staff permit courtesy of my wife and sister.

Personally, even if when I did drive, I never used Stanley Park, it's a nightmare to get out of.

My brother used to park near or in the Taxi club (can't remember fully) and my Dad on the waste ground opposite the Anfield pub near the Police Station on Walton Lane. We would then take the City approach to Goodison. Either way, there was always a walk. It's just now, it's likely to be about 30 minutes.

I wasn't there, but by most accounts, there were several snags rather than disaster. That's what test events are for, surely?

I agree that everyone involved should have got their ducks in a row, especially LCC and their highways department, and Merseytravel, but let's not despair just yet.

Ray # 14……. I guess there is a very good chance that either or both car parks on Priory Road will still be used by fans travelling to Everton Stadium. Obviously nowhere near the numbers used at the moment, but a shuttle bus to and from would be ideal.

Apparently, the match day car parks we use when we're at home charge us £8. When Liverpool use them for their games they charge £10.

Everton currently does not use the Anfield Comp car park on match days. Presumably, it’s owned by LFC?

There are numerous other smaller car parks within a mile radius of Goodison but currently none allowed in the proposed exclusion zone around BMD. That’s the problem.

Danny, I don’t know which way you used to walk from the car to the match, but Anfield is surely a lot nearer to the Stanley Park car park than Goodison?

Where does it say that the restrictions will continue to apply on match days?

Walking wise, yes they are closer, but still have the same bedlam trying to get away.

When I was younger, my Grandad used to have a driving permit for match days, so we could park outside his flat at 14A Arkles Lane, 5 doors or so down from The Arkles!!

It's a bit worrying reading about the various issues. Getting to and from Goodison was never a problem. On my last visit with my sons in November, it was a doddle from the city centre. Future visits may have us coming in from Crosby again.

Many local residents allow fans to park on their drive for a small remuneration and this could continue. As yet, I have only had an automated response.

The Club had to provide details as part of the approval process so presumably the same was required for BMD? So everyone (ie, the Council) should know what transport logistics are required to be provided by them. The Club could also be proactive in implementing the shuttle buses as Ray #25 suggests, and not leave it to the Council.

They made a mint running rail replacement services, of which there were many and no age restrictions on the vehicles.

So if there's any entrepreneurial Blues out there, with one holding an O'Licence and CPC (!), then get a few buses, tart them up, and that dream Villa on a Golf Resort in Asia will be yours by the end of the 2nd season. Probably.

Your Guide to The Liverpool Waters Regeneration Project

The last paragraph of Page 10 of the brochure states:-

“With Vauxhall's planned transport links, the area will become more accessible by public transport, meaning more people can travel to the site.”

The whole guide is worth reading. They are certainly talking it up but, if it is factual, then it seems to me that TFG are getting in early.

More importantly it will be great for the people of Liverpool, particularly the younger generation.

This regeneration of the area with Everton Stadium at is centre and the transport links mentioned are exactly what I would like to see.

It takes time, doesn't happen overnight. I think TFG buying up or optioning further land would be a very good controlling thing.

Thus far, I see a cycle lane, and some road improvements (both mentioned). The mention of a Merseyrail station is interesting and probably key. The Metro Mayor in contrast says that Sandhills is too technically and thus financially complex to develop (a footbridge is planned for a second entrance) and there has never been any plan for a new station (his words, not mine).

I love the vision, just can't see any evidence of even basic transport progress (except the cycle lane, sorry).

Just asking, like.

They probably won't let me in next Wednesday.

I also note that The Brick pub are going to run their own bus from the pub to BMD.

Yes, I saw the advert from The Brick somewhere. I think a few will be doing it, or there will be a consortium of the nearby pubs chipping in to facilitate and share the proceeds.

It's going to take time for there to be more to do around BMD, although we should be able to mingle on the plaza and in the stadium once it's all up and running properly.

Mark, you can't beat a bit of marching, open windows, shouting coppers and putting candles out!!!

I have mixed feelings about that article myself. You say it's great news for the people of Liverpool, especially younger people, but the brochure is actually about the opportunities to make a profit from letting and renting and is boasting about how much profit can be made.

That will only benefit the people rich enough to buy the properties and then let them to people who need somewhere to live, at exorbitant cost, so they can make money out of them.

So big pinch of salt, right now we got a new stadium, a cycle track, queue barriers at Sandhills and restrictions on how many people can walk over a bridge at any one time.

It will improve… but it won't be solved, just a few more sticking plasters, ad hoc ideas, a few buses and a few smarties with a few ideas to make money.

Personally, I would walk barefoot over broken glass to be there, because I can't park in the street where I lived...

Cynicism and frustration aside, the ferry could have worked. If, a circular route, not just the Liverpool to Seacombe back and forward. A circular route taking in those stops, but with landing stages as far down as Garston or some point in the south and a point up towards Crosby? But most importantly, Bramleyl-Moore Dock.

I'm not a transport or infrastructure expert, but I and other mere mortals are thinking like this, what are the expert planners and visionaries doing?

It will get resolved over time and this is partly what the test events are for. The frustration is that with foresight, parallel projects could have been running to address transportation.

But, this is where we are. Personally, I don't mind the queuing and controlled access. It happens at quite a few grounds around the country, so it's pretty normal.

Build a monorail or an elevated tram route to continue that tradition. It could be done even if it took time to construct. Look up "Wunderland in Hamburg" on Google.

Build up a miniature installation like theirs and use their expertise and knowledge to create such a site in the dock area. Speaking fluent German, I'm going to get in touch with them. We could even have a model of Goodison Park built.

By the way, Wunderland has reached 1.5 million visitors a year. Food for thought…

“I can’t say enough about the commitment of the club to do this. They could have picked sites that were easier and far less expensive, and so for all the ups and downs, I think the city and region will benefit from this.”