David Moyes Jnr to join Everton as European Scout

Ah... the penchant for nepotistic appointments under Moyes lives on!

I thought at first it was his brother, who was an agent, the article referred to but it obviously it couldn’t be because of the name, still Moyes is getting his son a wage which he did at WHU although he had never grafted (?) as a scout before, or since, just as an agent, ——is Outer Mongolia in Europe? They could let him scout there, keep in work but out of the way.

Michael (1) - Unlike that paragon of virtue, Carlo Ancelotti.

Wait a minute… 😜

This isn't a great look for the new regime.

We need continuity regardless of manager.

Moyes has brought in his trusted people but in doing so he weakens the club and strengthens his own hand.

Moyes will be sacked in 2 years time and then we start again replacing the cronies he brought in.

If we are ever to get back to the top things like this don't happen.

It's such an obvious show of nepotism.

Almost every manager brings in his own team who subsequently go when he goes. And so what if it’s his son? I really don’t see the issue here apart from bait being clicked, for which I am guilty of wasting 15 seconds of my not very valuable time.

Totally agree with Jake, every manager brings in his own backroom staff, so why highlight his son Michael, do you criticise the appointment of Baines as well?

Baines isn't his son and is likely to be around after Moyes gets the sack.

Any top team or club have a solid structure underneath the usual coaching teams.

In our case Moyes has restructured the lot and brought in his mates and relatives.

Charlie Adam as set piece coach brought in by Moyes agent brother.

I don't get why people think it's not a big deal.

Proper scouting is the difference between success and failure.

Jobs for the Moyes...eh?

Why does he have to get the sack? What's one of the biggest reasons the redshite have managed to get to where they are now - they've had a long period of stability - not paying out millions in compensation payoffs for entire management teams and playing styles every other season which is exactly what you're looking for.

A more grown up scenario is Moyes leaving by mutual consent with a successor ready to step in take the team to the next stage - one that, (barring an absolute collapse in the intervening period which plenty on here would love), a scenario the Friedkins will know makes sound financial and managerial sense.

As for replacing the entire coaching team with his “mates and relatives” - that's just utter nonsense.

Bizarre that posters think this is acceptable.

Moyes jnr is not part of his coaching his team, this is an entirely different branch which needs to be autonomous and best in class.

Moyes jnr apparently only got the job at West Ham through his dad. West Ham's recruitment during that period was dreadful and are still suffering from that period now.

I wouldn't know what level he worked at or how significant his input was, but when we were told we would be getting a modern, data driven, high end recruitment department and the likes of Hammond were apparently given roles due to being best in class, this appointment seems counter intuitive as his experience only came through nepotism and he hasn't exactly been sought after by anyone since.

Most companies have HR policies to prevent this.

If he were my son, and were he any good, I would do all I could to help him get a job with another top club.

I don't think it's a good idea to give him a job at Everton.

This could be a very shrewd appointment.

Maybe he'll find the next Barry.

So Conor - West Ham's dreadful recruitment was down to David Moyes's son in his fledgling role as a scout?

Not technical director and all round fuckwit Tim Steidten who fell out with every manager he worked with and was actually responsible for their terrible recruitment?

Okay....

As one of the Kennedy brothers put it: “There's nothing wrong with nepotism so long as you keep it in the family.”

If his son proves able to find a young Messi or a Ronaldo, Moyes senior can open up a sperm bank as far as I'm concerned.

Did I say that Jake? My point was only that he worked in a failed department having had no success or pedigree anywhere else

I'm not sure West Ham fans would agree that Steidten was the major problem as he did have a couple of successes like Kudus.

Moyes like here wanted total control of things and you can't put the likes of Mavripanos and Ward Prowse who they are still to this day stuck with at the hands of the DOF

Unfortunately posters so immersed in their love of Moyes seems like their love of Everton is secondary.

So Jake had Benitez or Dyche had their family members without any level of success or criteria (his son was apparently a failed agent) join in an important sector you wouldn't bat an eyelid?

You clearly implied it.

As to your weird Benitez or Dyche question, no, I wouldn't have given a flying one.

But I take it that you were apoplectic when you discovered that Ancelotti appointed his son as assistant manager when at Everton?

Remembering how Moyes, left last time, then reading your version of a grown-up scenario, did give me a smile, Jake.

He looked after himself, just like he's now looking after his son, and football is just another industry where some people will get well looked after because they know the right people.

I am not comfortable with Moyes getting his son a job at Everton. And I found it weird that the great Carlo Ancelotti's son was his assistant at Everton.

There is no way that a professional relationship can exist between family members.

It was much more dangerous when Kenwright was running things, but everything is on a professional footing now.

Moyes won't have been able to do this without it first passing the sniff test with the Friedkins.

No Jake you missed the point it wasn't like he was a highly thought of specialist working in a highly successful operation like Brighton or Brentford,.. The clue was in "I wouldn't know what level he worked at or what his input was but..yada yada"

Had we announced that we were taking any high level scout or transfer specialist from West Hams recruitment team (who was not Moyes son) the common response on these pages would understandably have been wtf.

Nothing weird about the question I was asking would you have been happy with an unqualified inexperienced individual who had worked only in an unsuccessful department to be given a key role at Everton.

As for your retort the phrase "I wasn't born yesterday" came to mind as regards ToffeeWeb it seems like you were. I won't go there again with Ancelotti only to say his son unlike Moyes Jr was at least a highly qualified individual with top honours making your point completely defunct.

Moreover he was employed in a department which his success is tied to his employer ie Carlo.

Davide Ancelotti is head coach at Botafogo as well as assistant to his dad at Brazil. He's been with his dad at a few top sides and seems very highly thought of as a professional coach.

But looking at Moyes Jnr, when you look at it more closely, especially as I don't see a CV that would justify giving him a scouting job here, I'm surprised the owners have approved it.

Maybe I'm being unfair and he's a great scout but two things trouble me about this:

1. Nepotism doesn't exactly scream good governance or management. I had hoped we were past all that sort of thing.

2. Naming a son after the father can seem a bit weird, but in this case just seems a very Moyes-like lack of imagination. David Moyes Jr is not exactly Neymar Jr is it?

He didn't scout Barry, by any chance, did he?

And what happens if David Moyes Junior unearths some exciting talent?

I wonder what the reaction on here will be.

Reaction = "He's shite!"

It's definitely a weird one if true. I thought Nick Hammond was brought in as some transfer guru. Surely that would mean he brings in his people -- not Moyes's choices?

If you look back at UK football, you will trace lots of family connections.

Ferguson and Allardyce had sons working for them as football agents. The Redknapps. Paul Ince and Steve Bruce both had sons playing in their sides. Cruyff had his son playing for him.

You could run out of space listing everyone.

While the TFG cat is away in Texas, are the mice playing?
It all might be perfectly innocent, but it not a good look is it?

So just who is 'in charge' at this new Everton?
Not 'in theory' but in actual fact.

What's the hierarchy, who reports to whom(?)
Who signs off on what?
Who gets to sack who?
Where do the various bucks stop... if indeed they do... or is it some collective circular Cabinet Responsibility bollocks.

As John Williams points out this is not atypical but to me it's still outrageous.

Ancelotti, Moyes, Fat Sam, Fergie etc forged careers over long periods of time as players, coaches and managers before they became managers of big clubs. They earned their roles.

Their sons did nothing at all other than be born. If you are a carpenter, insurance agent or plumber and run your own business, then by all means train up your kids and bring them on board.

But if you're a contracted employee of a multi-million-pound business, then it's an abuse of power to add your kid to the wage bill. If any of these jokers had pride, they'd go and prove themselves elsewhere first, then apply alongside everyone else if they get to the level where they can work with their Dad. It's just obscene.

All the aforementioned managers and multi-millionaires. If they want to get their kids some cash they can go in their own pockets. Do not take cash out of the club to enrich your offspring.

Christy #22 points out what everybody else has missed:

The Friedkins approved it.

Specifically owner and chairman Dan Friedkin, who got his start in business when he was hired by his billionaire father.

It's his money paying for young Moyes's salary.

I'm bemused by all the passionate outrage here.

This is how the world works, folks.

Stu #28, correct, Nick Hammond is the transfer guru.

He's not the director of scouting. That's James Smith, Moyes's longtime friend and former Everton colleague from 15 years ago. The kid will be on his staff, not Hammond's.

If only Moysey's granny was alive.

She could be covering South America for us.

Hey Moyesie, gissa job!

I can do that.

Moysey missed a trick... he should have named his first born Davide.

Rob #4,

"Moyes will be sacked in 2 years time."

Or then again, he might just see his contract through to completion and leave. Like he did last time.

And if Dad loses his job then does his family go with him and with them Everton's system of working, contacts and negotiating plus interested and researched targets?

Good to know there is an "effective" chain of command.

It's about time we had someone over there, Steve #34.

Brendan @ 36, Davide Moyes... has a ring to it!

Although, Davide is head coach at Botafago while wee Davie Jnr is languishing in the ranks of the unemployed.

What Moysey's nephews Gash and Burney, plus his pal Jamsie? Surely there's space on the payroll for them.

Davide Ancelotti has risen through the ranks, hasn’t he? PSG, Bayern, Napoli, Everton, Real Madrid. Quite a CV.
Hang on, his dad was manager at all those clubs.
That’s why he’s head coach at Botafogo, not a stellar footballing career - nepotism worked well for him. I doubt Baby Davie’s dad will manage many more clubs, but at least he’s not the first and not the last kid to get a start in football through connections.

Apparently TFG were said to be undertaking a modern approach to our recruitment processes. Well over a decade ago nepotism may have been the norm when the manager was all encompassing to a football club having control of all footballing matters.

The next phase came with the director of football which was aimed at sustainability in the modern era whereby hiring and firing of managers became rife and a more tenuous role. The likes of Wenger's and Ferguson's longevity and power don't exist at elite level anymore.

Hammond outlined that TFG were now ahead of the curve arguing that the DOF model has served it's purpose as now one role can't negotiate contracts, head up data driven scouting, recruitment, hiring and firing of managers etc. Evertons new model was apparently a new professional, best in class, cutting edge approach to the complexities of the scale of modern elite level football.

Mike's post amazes me when this flies in the face of what we were told and is the behaviour of a bygone era. Moreover it is one thing for an owner to entrust his son with his businesses since he has the endeavour and self interest to make them work as they will one day be his. It's quite another for a professional outfit to give the same luxury to an employee, a hired hand and a system which was specifically designed to operate and function independent of the coaching department, a system borne on the separation of powers. One whose job is to shape and provide for the squad in both the short and more importantly longer term which is in contrast to the coaching team who is concerned with the here and now.

Brendan (8) … still chuckling at that!

As Mike G says; The Friedkins will have signed this off, and they are nobody's fools.

Haha, what an amazing surprise Jake that you jumped on to rebut. Comedy.

I know you are poised on TW 24 hours a day in case there is any criticism (real or imagined) for the sainted manager.

Great to see you have now expanded your brief to his extended family. Maybe you should research his family tree so you can do a thorough job.

Keep it up lad.

No problem Steve. Always happy to provide free fact-checking.

Paul Jewell's son is Sam Jewell, who works in football recruitment and recently joined Chelsea after previously working at Brighton. Sam was the head of recruitment for Brighton, where he played a key role in signing players like Moisés Caicedo and Alexis Mac Allister.

Best not tell the experts on ToffeeWeb about this

Perhaps David Moyes jnr us decent at his job?

Here us his LinkedIn bio

Over a decade of experience in active fieldwork within Europe, USA, Australia & Asia.

I managed the careers of high-end Footballers, aiding in their marketing and representation maximising the clients earning potential. I recruited and built my own client base from scratch. Assisted other company agents (in the early years) with bringing on board other clients.

I have negotiated and executed over 60 different contracts with over 40 different football clubs. I carry an extensive and valuable knowledge of the rules and regulations that govern football in not only the UK, but also Spain, Holland, Australian A-League and several more.

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Open on Moyes trying to tip-toe out of the front door of his house ('Peebles Lodge')

Morag: "HAWD ON DAVIE! WHEER D'HINK YOOR AFF TAE?"

Moyes: "Erm just aff tae Finch Farm hen, cannae keep the guys waitin'."

Morag: "Sit yer arse doon fer a wee minute Davie, ah want tae talk aboot whit yoor gonnae dae aboot this boy o' yoors sittin' aboot the hoose aww day."

Moyes: "Well whit can ah dae? The boy's useless, he couldn't kick a baw in a straight line fae-you-tae-me, he cannae coach players, av telt ye hen, there's nuthin' fer him in fitba."

Morag: "Look, ye managed tae find him a job at West Ham so find him one with this mob. Am no havin' him sittin' aboot the hose fer the next 20 years scratchin' his plums and watching hames under the hammer."

Moyes: "Aye but Sullivan was as thick as a submarine door, he wuz a piece of pish fer me tae dupe. These yanks are a different kettle o' fish."

- Morag approaches her husband and looks deadly serious -

Morag: "Davie, let's be clear, am no askin ye, am TELLIN' ye!"

- comedy pause -

Link

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Yes Ryan, Sam Jewell cut his teeth at Newport, then Swindon, then head hunted to Brightons u21 squad where he worked his way up the food chain. There was no conflict of interest, he was highly regarded, highly experienced and much sought after by the time he got to Chelsea.

As you can see Moyes Jr was a footballing agent who had no pedigree in scouting of players and was a pawn in establishing more control for Moyes Snr.

Indeed according to West Ham the 2 primary reasons why Moyes was sacked was because results allowed to be after he refused the contract on offer. The new contract would remove Moyes control of transfers as Sullivan blamed him for poor recruitment and the removal of his son annoyed him who was viewed not fit for purpose.

I can't understand how posters who rate the manager aren't alarmed in the same way that Robert Tressell is ( a poster who is generally supportive of the manager but puts Everton first)

Have a read of this;

https://www.hammers.news/news/everton-grant-david-Moyes-wish-that-proved-the-beginning-of-the-end-for-his-time-at-west-ham/

the more control the Moyesiah has over transfers Conor the better I'll like it. and this scouting job may not even be a paid position, or it may be dependent on who he spots. we don't' have the suffidient info to judge. And who are we to judge anyway. What is our concern, that Moyes is going to ruin Everton by running a 'jobs for the boys' operation. Are we really thinking that's going to happen, with Angus breathing down his necK?
Eugene's right, it's probably just something to get him out of the house.

Conor - David Sullivan? Wose than Kenwright him and despised by West Ham fans. I mean West Ham have done so well since Moyes left them.

Their recruitment is worse than ours!
It’s amazing how posters say not to trust football journalists and then take what a gossip merchant has said as gospel

I mean Alan Nixon ? Formally a shareholder of proactive with Paul Stretford

Don't worry Ryan I don't

We already know as fact that Moyes had a contract on the table as Moyes himself confirmed it

We already know as fact that Moyes relationship with Steidten was strained over recruitment (he even had to move offices)

We already know as fact that West Ham sacked Moyes Jr

I can see why Moyes fanboys would refute the journalists account. But hey ho Ryan that was some bio he presented that had you salilvating, I think he took the I'm forever blowing bubbles literally

Conor #48 "the 2 primary reasons why Moyes was sacked was because results allowed to be after he refused the contract on offer."

Sacked?

He completed the term of his contract and refused to sign another one.

Jake @ 45, sure.

By listing the clubs Davide Ancelotti has coached at - PSG, Bayern, Napoli, Everton, Real Madrid - you defeat your own argument. You see that right?

But let’s test this statement out “That’s why he’s head coach at Botafogo, not a stellar footballing career - nepotism worked well for him.”

Come on, share your evidence base for that statement. Give me one reputable news source that backs up your claim that his father got him the job at Botafago.

Ryan #46, you shouldn't put too much storr in CVs, especially on LinkedIn.

You should read mine sometime, it always gives me a laugh! 🤣

Sorry if it’s all a bit complicated for you Steve. The point I was making was that Davide got to where he is by building a career getting a job in many different places - nearly all assisting his father. Pure nepotism. Which seems to be vexing some on here, not me, though. It happens throughout football. So David Jr. is merely on the lowest rung of the ladder that Davide took and has got him to where he is now. It’s called reinforcing my argument, Steve.
And I think you’ll find I didn’t say Ancelotti got him the coaching gig at Botafogo - he got the gig by having a nepotistic career path to gain the experience to get it. Helped by his father. Like a good father should.

Jake (misc)

Nepotism aside, I would help my own kids out if I was in a position to.

However, do you think it's a good move for the Blues to appoint Moyes son as a European scout?

I think it stinks and don't think he will add any value to our already under-performing recruitment section.

Nil satis and all of that.

The thing is, Rob, nobody on here knows if he's got a good footballing eye or if he's a shyster — but the hierarchy at Everton checked him out and reckon he's worth appointing.

Do you want him to be a success?

35 years of age with no real pedigree in football, so I'd say young Davie has cracked it.

Maybe the money isn't great? I was reading Moyes wanted Mick Doherty back but he wasn't very impressed by the wages on offer, so with him getting the title of being our European scout, then maybe Eugene has got some inside information!

His role is a scout for a “part” of Europe, Tony. That could be Spain & Portugal, or it could be somewhere like Denmark.

If they're offering lower-end-of-scale wages, my bet is on Denmark. A lowly position in the grand scheme of things.

I was thinking more about what his mother was saying in Eugene's imaginary post, Jake.

His mother didn't want him sitting about the house, so getting him on an aeroplane makes a load of sense!

Tony, be careful around that Eugene fella... I think he's a whistleblower!!

I think i’d be more inclined to be careful about anything that comes from LinkedIn!

Jake, Of course I want him to be successful for the Blues. I just think it stinks the house out.

We should be looking at Brighton's scouting network although I think they poached a couple from us!

Tony, We probably could have kept hold of Mick Doherty if we offered him enough money during Moyes's first spell with us. I think he went to Chelsea after leaving us.

He’s probably just getting paid to watch loads of YouTube and read Transfermarkt like I do when I’m waiting for trains etc.

True Eric 54

Rob - you simply don’t know the role he’s doing, do you ?

Time flies because the last time I spoke to him Rob, he was scouting for Celtic, and I remember he was telling me how good Dembelle, was playing (I’m sure there have been two different Dembelle’s, - both strikers, who have played for the Celts) and that he thought he would really fit in at Everton.

I never asked him how much he was getting paid at Celtic, but if he’s still there and he’s turned Everton down, it could have only been one of two things.

Money or stability, or possibly both, but young Davie, has got the gig now, and his mother will be delighted!

It’s definitely not stability because according to “LinkedIn” 😂Doherty, is currently unemployed.

Ryan 66

Enlighten me.

European scout for Everton implies he is going to scout around Europe for players to make Everton a better team.

Do I believe he will do that? No I don't.

Robert #64, they should have hired you instead!

(Then you could hire Sam.)

Me and others aplenty know sod-all of young Davey's previous success in his now given and paid-for, by us fans, role.

To me he's comparable to me as I've always put myself forward to Hollywood as the next Paul Newman, but I'll let you all know when I get an offer.

Me and others aplenty know all about old Davey's determination to repeatedly accept massively enhanced contracts from that lying sleazebag Kenwright, whilst the latter oversaw our perpetual seasons where we never looked like winning a trophy and descended to where we are now.

What sort of a statement is Friedkin willing to announce to us true fans regarding his personal ambition for what Moysey's hitherto useless son has thus far achieved in his hitherto useless career?

Or did Friedkin's parents, or he himself, receive the very best tickets for West End shows buckshee when Kenwright was alive?

Young Moysie seems devoid of talent, therefore I'd expect someone way senior to his dad to explain this to us mere fans.

Kenwright was the epitome of unaccountability.

Is Friedkin just the same?

Jake @ 55, nothing you write is complicated mate.

As I thought, zero evidence for your claim that Davide got his job as head coach of Botafago as a result of his dad. Just pure bullshit in fact.

Let's have it right, this appointment stinks and would never happen at a serious club. Could you imagine Liverpool or Arsenal doing this?

We are obviously not a serious club yet.

Reading about Moyes’s son’s talent reminded me of a detective I knew years ago—- he couldn’t find a gas leak with a match, not sure if his dad was a bizzie as well.
By the way I was being interviewed as a person who could “ help the bizzie with his inquiries” not as a perpetrator of the crime, help him ? I knew the questions before he asked them and he knew, as daft as he was, the answers I was going to give him.

Alan Nixon has this morning confirmed that David Moyes wife will be joining Everton as head tea lady.

David was apparently unaware of the appointment which was made by TFG but it is believed he was surprised and delighted for Mrs Moyes adding "She makes a lovely brew"

Mrs Moyes for the last 3 months has been making her finest Brodie's Earl Grey every Sunday for the ladies club whose membership has unfortunately dwindled from 100 to 3.

Mrs Moyes will be tasked with bringing her niche Brodie's Earl Grey to the staff at Everton as very few will have tasted it before and the hierarchy sees it as an untapped market for which Everton can be a leading force Worldwide for their tea.

Questions have been raised on Mrs Moyes due to her limited suitability for the role and claims that her husband's status was a driving force behind her appointment.

Thankfully however Mrs Moyes has wiped all those accusations away through her impressive bio on LinkedIn

"I have sourced and made my own tea from scratch from every part of Scotland. I have previously plucked and withered and dried and brewed thousands of buds and leaves myself and developed my own system detailing the entire process which is the pride of Scotland.

Moreover I have served tea to the likes of Alex Ferguson, Dan Friedkin, the Pope, Marilyn Monroe, Elvis and Moses".

Everton football Club warmly welcome Mrs Moyes in depth skill set to our high end tea department

First question, does anyone know what David Moyes Jnr has done as a vocation, prior to being appointed at Everton ?
If he worked in the butchery department at Morrisons Supermarket, prior to this move, I could understand your problems.
If he has worked in professional football, what is the problem.
How many on here have taken up employment in a business, that a mate or family member helped you get the job ?

Can I imagine a son getting a job because his Dad is a manager at a major club, Steve? Yes. I can. In fact I’ve already listed them: Bayern, PSG, Napoli, Real Madrid.
And it’s good news for Davide getting a gig with a Brazilian club, what with his Dad already being the Brazil manager, isn’t it?
Anything else you need help with or can I get on with my day?

according to ChatGPT, entry level scouts can expect around £18000 a year. Depending on club and experience, that figure can go up to £100,000. I'm thinking junior is not top level. But still, if he's taking out twenty grand a year as scout, that is clearly a concern.
I have to say I'm more relaxed about this, than previous pay outs. I'm thinking the twenty million for Ancelotti, the fifteen million for Benitez, the ten million for Allardyce, the ten million for Lampard, plus all their entourages. None of whom were here for for more than 18 months.

Kevin, Ancellotti and his entourage left us, I don’t believe we had to pay anything, in fact I think we were criticised on TW for not claiming compensation

Ray yes good point. Still he got his twenty mill though.