Kenwright hopeful of keeping Moyes at Everton

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Chairman keeps investor talk alive

"The fans don't want another Bill Kenwright."
Bill Kenwright says that he hopes that when he and David Moyes sit down at the end of the season to discuss the Scot's future that he will sign a new contract with Everton.

Speaking in an interview with Alan Myers for Sky Sports News, the Chairman spoke of his manager's decision to delay the decision over whether or not to remain in the Goodison hotseat and also made fresh claims of parties interested in buying the Club.

"He has made a simple statement — 'Give me to the end of the season'," said Kenwright. "He knows in making that statement it is not the easiest for the football club."

"[H]opefully in seven weeks time when the last match has been played we will sit down and have the five minutes that David has alluded to for the last six months or so, that will sort out a new contract; a new adventure and will keep David Moyes at Everton football club.

"If it doesn't — the man leaves with his head held high."

The theatre impresario admitted that he has fielded inquiries about a potential vacancy at Everton this summer as uncertainty over Moyes's future prevails.

"Does the phone ring? Yes," Kewnright continued. "What is my answer (to those inquiring about a potential vacancy)? It is very simple — Everton football club has its manager."

And that manager remains in control of decisions over the playing staff, Kenwright maintained, while also suggesting that Moyes is already aware of the budget he would have this summer for team building.

"David Moyes is the only one who makes decisions on who stays, who goes, who comes into Everton football club."

Kenwright also addressed the continued speculation over ownership of Everton, repeating his often-stated insistence that the Club is for sale.

"The fans don't want another Bill Kenwright," the former actor explained. "They don't want someone who has come in and got a second mortgage on his house and thrown everything together so he can keep the club afloat.

"They want someone who can take it forward, and there is someone out there. This week, yes, some more have come forward.

"You have got to remember that everyone knows the football club is for sale."

Quotes or other material sourced from Sky Sports



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John Smith
1 Posted 28/03/2013 at 21:04:53
The word 'if' didn't give me much confidence.
Dennis Stevens
2 Posted 28/03/2013 at 21:05:34
I wonder whether Kenwright believes his own lies, in Blairite style, or he's sniggering up his sleeve, amused at his own audacity.
Colin Malone
3 Posted 28/03/2013 at 21:07:17
That's it, I'm going first thing Saturday morning, to renew my season ticket, WooHooooo!!!!
Ross Edwards
4 Posted 28/03/2013 at 21:06:11
Don't sign him up, Bill. Amicably let him go and show some ambition and get someone like Rijkaard and not someone like McClaren. 11 years is enough, he's had the money, the time and support and he hasn't done enough to justify £4 million per year.

Choking in big games, Liverpool, Wigan, Chelsea, Sporting Lisbon. Dinamo Bucharest, Standard Liege, negative tactics, ineptitude, incompetence. The list is endless.

BK, the biggest liar in history, time after time he says we are in talks with investors with nothing materialising, Kirkby, Kings Dock, and that Blue Union interview was embarressing. The both of them are useless, the quicker they both go, the better.

Kenwright Out, Moyes Out.

Ross Edwards
5 Posted 28/03/2013 at 21:14:49
And, no doubt if Bill is struggling, he and Andrew Lloyd Webber can launch a talent show on the BBC to find a new manager, called Anyone will Do.
Carl Sanderson
6 Posted 28/03/2013 at 21:14:42
That man simply radiates insincerity. Everton for sale? He won't let go of the train set until the undertaker prises it from his cold, dead fingers.
David Hallwood
7 Posted 28/03/2013 at 21:13:54
The new investor has been named as Thailand billionaire Twentee Forsevern
Kunal Desai
8 Posted 28/03/2013 at 21:19:00
Surprised he gave SSN any airtime.
Alan Ross
10 Posted 28/03/2013 at 21:16:15
"The fans don't want another Bill Kenwright ......who can keep the club afloat"
Completely deluded. Except for the first bit.

Ross Edwards
11 Posted 28/03/2013 at 21:36:45
I know Alan, who does he think we are? Portsmouth?
Paul Andrews
12 Posted 28/03/2013 at 21:42:19
He got a second mortgage to buy his shares, I believe. Not a bad deal...

He bought them for £5million and stands to sell them for £37.5 million. 2nd mortgage? Where do I sign???

Paul Andrews
13 Posted 28/03/2013 at 21:47:56
Kunai,

Alan Myers used to work for Everton I think I am right in saying?

Kevin Tully
14 Posted 28/03/2013 at 21:35:18
When you compare this buffoon to Levy, you realise why we are in such a mess. How the fuck did we position the club, so the manager (an employee) has this much control?

If this was Fergie, or someone who had made this club into a force in world football, you could understand the sentiments.

He then insults every fan of the club by wheeling out the tired "interested parties" line, as season ticket renewals are due.

This is not having a go at Moyes, I don't blame him for looking after himself, but this Board really need to go, if we are to have any chance of moving on.

Nothing to do with money either, they are just no good at running a modern day football cub in the Premier League – they are 30 years behind the times. Proven by the fact Carter still has any say in the club's affairs.

Kenwright is a League two Chairman, both financially & business wise. He is being controlled by outside financial interests, and it's a recipe for the disaster which is slowly unfolding before our eyes.

Chris Bentham
15 Posted 28/03/2013 at 21:39:58
The only deluded people are anyone who thinks there's somebody waiting to buy us for a £100m, pay £200m for a stadium, wipe out £50m debt, Invest £200m in squad (6 additional £10m players on £70k) to take us from 7th to 4th (on average). £550m spent to have a club worth £3-400m?? We're worth what £150m now.

Hence no-one wanting to make a profit has made serious enough proposals. (Yes, they do want to make a profit.)

Roman has spent what, over a billion on Chelsea and they're worth £500m?

Let's get in the real world please and stop slagging people off who the football world greatly admires.

Everton is now not a laughing stock but a club with pride and real values admired by others. Yes I want a Billionaire, who wouldn't, but do I want a Lerner, Venky, Gillett & Hicks, etc etc? No, no, no.

James Flynn
16 Posted 28/03/2013 at 21:48:24
So it's started from Kenwright. I take it as official now, Moyes is gone.

Got me to thinking Martinez makes sense for this bunch. We'll slide down the Table, suavely. We'll "attack" every team. Martinez will glowingly explain why we lost yet again (playing "beautifully", mind). And it will all be blamed on the lack of financial fair play.

Fuck me, you gotta give it to Kenwright.

Ross Edwards
17 Posted 28/03/2013 at 21:58:29
He was Paul, he was Press Officer in the 90s.
James Morgan
18 Posted 28/03/2013 at 22:08:42
I like how the picture used is the one where he looks most like The Grinch!
This bastard throws out the lines about interested parties much like the taxi controller bleats "it's on its way!"
Tony Marsh
19 Posted 28/03/2013 at 22:15:37
If it wasn't so serious, it would be hilarious.

How fucking daft does this muppet think we are? Yet again, when the chips are down, a Phantom buyer is wheeled out... and yet again, it's a Phantom buyer who eludes the worldwide media?

When will Kenwright turn this shite in? Do all Evertonians walk around with the word TWAT tatooed on our foreheads? — because that's how we are treated by the club.

I want Moyes to go, I want Kenwright to go, I would even consider relegation for a season to rid us of this cancerous regime. Once relegated, we could be sold on the cheap and BK and his cronies get fuck all...

This is how the shower of shite who run EFC have got me thinking. It appears the only way out to be honest. As long as we stay in the Prem, the vulters will stick around for a pay day.

We are Fucked alright.

Robbie Shields
20 Posted 28/03/2013 at 22:30:55
James #414, managers/coaches are overrated aren't they????? That's been your position for years, so why will we slide down the table if one manager/coach goes? Can't believe you're complaining that a new manager might come in and attack all the time, (Completely contradicting your position by the way), you really are a muppet.

Moyes out of our Club

Andrew Laird
21 Posted 28/03/2013 at 22:43:55
A word has yet to be invented that describes what sort of deluded, self absorbed, idiotic fantasist of a man Bill is.

Is the reference to Moyes making all the squad decisions the beginnings of a smear campaign for when he leaves? Or is it the contradiction to every apologist's argument who tell us that Moyes is dictated to by the board with regards to transfers? Or is it all bullshit.... maybe all 3?

James Flynn
22 Posted 28/03/2013 at 22:44:50
Robbie – Poorly done.

My position has always, and remains, that the overwhelming majority of managers/head coaches, all sports any country, are meaningless, inter-changeable parts. Nothing you can produce statistically can prove me wrong. Have a go. Try it. I'm wrong, I'll acknowledge it.

Moyes is in my exclusive group of managers who make a difference. I assume him gone come mid-May.

I came in January 2010 with LD. Over the next 6 weeks was shocked that a team this attacking was working itself up from 10th place. Did you see some other Everton then? Did it appear shackled?

From others in here, my impression of the Club when Yak, Pienaar, and Arteta first came, that we were attacking routinely. Perhaps you saw things differently then too.

Moyes hasn't won here because our ownership is Shit. Plain and simple. For some reason I can't fathom, Martinez, seems to be favored for next in. God help us; you and me. But Kenwright will love him as he takes the Club down to where he's used to managing.

When that happens, and it will if Martinez is hired, expect fusillades of "Financial Fair Play, If Only the Playing Field was Even" coming from Kenwright.

But don't wonder why you're worrying about Everton in risk of being sent down. Or do worry. Won't affect you and me; two guys shooting the breeze on some website.

Right?

Phil Sammon
23 Posted 28/03/2013 at 23:15:12
James

'I came in January 2010 with LD.'

Do you mean you started supporting the club when Donovan joined?

Dennis Stevens
24 Posted 28/03/2013 at 23:23:30
No Phil, he means they had simultaneous orgasms!
Brendan McLaughlin
25 Posted 28/03/2013 at 23:26:25
Dennis #439
Still laughing....brilliant!
Andrew Laird
26 Posted 28/03/2013 at 23:30:04
James Flynn, I will bite. Who are in your elite group of managers with Moyes? Will Bruce Arena be in it?

[Oh, the suspense......]

Phil Sammon
27 Posted 28/03/2013 at 23:34:47
Haha.

Equally plausible, Dennis.

Danny Kewley
28 Posted 28/03/2013 at 23:02:16
It is obvious that dear old uncle Billy is clinging on to a manager who can keep us in the Prem: Otherwise why the fuck don't we just play good attacking football that we are more than capable of?

As things stand, we should at least be third in the table but after starting in such an exciting way we became negative and were afraid to lose.
MIFTBsssss.

Patrick Murphy
29 Posted 28/03/2013 at 23:30:55
Andrew (#435), I think the word you're looking for is Impresario. According to wikipedia – Many impresarios went bankrupt, some more than once; thus, a mercantile background and a gambler's instincts were useful.
Terry Maher
30 Posted 28/03/2013 at 23:35:27
I think Moyes has already told Kenwright he's going.
Tom Dodds
31 Posted 28/03/2013 at 23:23:21
The only way we will ever get rid of this charlatan chairman is to start boycotting our season tickets, sadly.

If Moyes does leave, it will be a signal to everyone of us that there is not enough money forthcoming in the transfer window. So, no matter who the fuck comes in, Alex Ferguson included, we, through the laws of simple football logic, ie, injuries prevailing on a small squad, will struggle eternally. There is an end in sight to all of this, and I bloody-well mean it when I say insolvency for the club. Blue Union — it is time to get your act together.

I believe on some sort of optimistic note, that one of the board (worth £1.2 bill) is waiting in the wings to step in once True Blue Holdings (Kenwright) are waiting in the wings to pick up the pieces, and have in fact offered the chairman his `coin back` on his shares, but to no avail... Kenwright`s hope for the wild card offer for the club, being the eternal fly in the unguent.

Last thought... Do you honestly think that the Reds would take one season alone of all this illusionary transfer `ghosts`, 24/7 investor hunt???

WOULD THEY FUCK!!!

.

James Flynn
32 Posted 28/03/2013 at 23:36:03
Haha, good stuff. Fuck the lot of you. Especially, Phil. Now, when LD Scored that goal against Algeria? Maybe so. Haha.

Seriously, Kenwright knows Moyes is gone. His statement's just the opening shot.

I've posted in here the last few days that Moyes leaving isn't as important as who's in next. We have the same owners.

Andrew Laird
33 Posted 28/03/2013 at 23:42:32
Patrick, that would be a valid broad sheet answer, it just doesn't make me feel as if I have summed up the disdain I have for the man and all of his pathetic traits and infuriatingly overwhelming, smug, self-satisfied transparency. Now I feel better, thanks.
Clive Lewis
34 Posted 29/03/2013 at 00:00:05
OK how many people googled Twentee Forsevern, come on admit it.

Apparently we are to sign Neverina Millionyrs VeggettBuyer.


Jay Harris
35 Posted 28/03/2013 at 23:52:28

"They don't want someone who has come in and got a second mortgage on his house and thrown everything together so he can keep the club afloat."

That sums up the deluded deceitful fool.

He has not put one penny of his own money into the club and has turned the £35 million net asset position Johnson generously gave up to him into a £40 million net liability at a time when record levels of money are pouring in to Premier League clubs.

Shut the door behind you Bill.

Tom Bowers
36 Posted 28/03/2013 at 23:56:00
Be sure that Moyes will be gone if the investment is not found. Why try to keep him at all knowing he is going to serve up the same crap as always, especially without big money to spend? With the limitations he has had over the years, he has done reasonably well but, make no mistake, he hasn't done a great job – except in Kenwright's eyes.

He has made some astute signings but many poor signings also. He is responsible for the mistakes in team selection, tactics, substitutions and player morale which have all been questionable.

We, the frustrated fans, do not want another season of the same old, same old. We may be lucky if we scrape our way into the Europa League again but what's the point if we don't have a squad or a manager who can make a good showing?

Ernie Baywood
37 Posted 29/03/2013 at 00:09:59
2nd mortgage, FFS, are we supposed to get teary at that?

BK sees a personal sacrifice. I see a loan to invest in something that is going to return tens of millions.

Is this guy supposed to be a businessman?

James Flynn
38 Posted 28/03/2013 at 23:45:50
Andrew (442) - "will Bruce Arena be in it? oh the suspense...... "

Took that post as joking from a nimrod who feels safe. But will answer it as a serious question.

The only reason Arena hasn't been managing in Europe the last dozen years is that he speaks english with an American accent. Ideally, EFC would hire him. Never gonna happen because our owners are as dim-bulbed as you.

Now you don't matter, but what our owners do, does. One of the miniscule group of managers who matter, Moyes, is gone. And goes with him is the safety-shield he's deflected from the consequences of inept management over the last dozen years.

So, Andrew, who in next for Everton?

Clive Lewis
39 Posted 29/03/2013 at 00:18:14
It's a disgrace, can someone please put Everton FC on eBay just to make a point how ridiculous all this is.

Playing mind games with Moyes to get him to sign a new contract etc...

It really does not matter what manager we get, we are shafted if we don't get a buyer.

Paul Hutchinson
40 Posted 29/03/2013 at 00:15:04
Moyes & Kenwright have got to stay. People have got short memories. Several relegation battles undertaken and yet now we are 6th but it's not good enough?... get a grip.

Both of these guys, despite the current trend of "out, out, out" garbage, have the best interests of Everton at heart. They may not be setting the world alight or even doing the right things but bugger me, they are 1000 times better than the dross that exists out there.

Do I want to be a Chelsea or City? Count me out. I want to do it properly and, despite their failings, that's what Moyes & Kenwright are trying to do. The last few years have been fantastic compared to the shite I have endured under Walker, Smith etc. I am happy where I am. Realistic, not delusional.

Nick Armitage
41 Posted 29/03/2013 at 00:18:27
The fact that someone with his income streams needs a first mortgage speaks volumes. Hocked up to the hilt and leveraged like an American bank. And people think we are run prudently?
Robbie Shields
42 Posted 29/03/2013 at 00:25:05
James #437 "My position has always, and remains, that the overwhelming majority of managers/head coaches, all sports any country, are meaningless, inter-changeable parts. Nothing you can produce statistically can prove me wrong. Have a go. Try it. I'm wrong, I'll acknowledge it."

So If it can't be proved statistically then it's automatically wrong is it? And presumably in your world that translates to you therefore being right as well. Your original position was that all managers are meaningless, this changed when it was pointed out to you that in that case we could get rid of Moyes and be no worse off, now you move the goalposts again. You've obviously learnt a lot in the 3 years since you found us, Moyes on the other hand has had 11 years, and I've been watching for those 11 years, plus another 25 on top of that.

Moyes is in your exclusive group of managers aye, well wupdedoo, congratulations Moyes, another award to add to your LMA's, member of the James Flynn exclusive group of Managers award for actually making a difference.

IMHO, you haven't got a clue what your talking about.

Ciarán McGlone
43 Posted 29/03/2013 at 00:38:26
Words fail me. That man should be jailed for crimes against integrity.
Ste Traverse
44 Posted 29/03/2013 at 00:32:13
Same old same old from this Kenwright bloke.

I assume disgruntled Blues are making season ticket purchases rather slow and this is his cheap trick at trying to boost sales.

Not exactly a trick seen before, eh???!!!

Ian Black
45 Posted 29/03/2013 at 00:56:46
I wonder how many blues there actually are out there who have received their early bird season ticket letter, placed it on the mantelpiece and studied it with a furrowed brow for days, agonising over whether or not to re-apply; becoming entranced in some sort of fugue. When suddenly, from the corner of their eye, they spy the great BK, flickering away on Sky Sports, uttering with the utmost sincerity that there are buyers out there wanting to talk to him, BK, about buying the club.

The blue awakens from his trance, sits bolt upright and nods his head, with a great big smile upon his face. A licking of a stamp shortly follows... He then wakes up the next day, bleary eyed, thinking "Oh no, I've done it again, haven't I? Kenwright's stitched me up like a kipper... What is it now? 3? 4? 5 years? More?"

I'll be honest, I wouldn't say there were that many.

James Flynn
46 Posted 29/03/2013 at 02:08:24
Robbie (466) - Re-wind youngster.

The only reference to "all managers are meaningless" is you just declaring them so. Never occur to me to mock the few who count; most particularly Moyes under Kenwright, Green, and them.

Maybe we discuss this again when you're sober. And when you wake up, please acknowledge you were drunk when you posted at 366. Otherwise, there's no reason for me to take your posts seriously.

Ste Traverse
47 Posted 29/03/2013 at 02:26:17
Not so long ago, BK told fans "nobody is buying football clubs these days".

Now, after season tickets sales are going slowly, TWO buyers suddenly appear from nowhere.

The sad thing is, we have supporters who will still fall for this kind of stuff from Billy Bullshit.

BK Out.

Jackie Barry
48 Posted 29/03/2013 at 03:05:55
Blimey this is embarrassing, season ticket time is upon us. Seriously though how long will it take before those fans who believe this finally catch on that he just feeding us a line and it happens about this time every year? WAKE UP!!!!
John Brennan
49 Posted 29/03/2013 at 03:12:04
Bill says some more have come forward...

Could it be that guy with the dodgy haircut who runs North Korea?
Or maybe its Ken Barlow (who was seen dishing out free fun packs in Goodison Road).

I would love to know how much Moyes has been promised to spend in the summer, but understand the need for secrecy — other clubs' spies, lamplighters and fifth columnists are everywhere.

Paul Ferry
50 Posted 29/03/2013 at 03:51:22
James Flynn 450
Haha, good stuff. Fuck the lot of you. Especially, Phil.

Two years in Flynn and you know better than life-long blues/scousers

Your analogies are so wide off the mark; you are without a shadow of a doubt one of the most irritating posters on TW, and hey I stayed adult and didn't say "Fuck the lot of you" — okay DUDE!

Dick Fearon
51 Posted 29/03/2013 at 04:24:55
I s'pose, like so many other potential buyers the latest crop are neatly wrapped up in a confidentiality clause and never to be revealed.

Er, I forgot about that bloke who rents a bed sitter in Manchester yet even then we never got his name.

Steve Brown
52 Posted 29/03/2013 at 04:35:42
Moyes is leaving, Fellaini is leaving and Kenwright is staying. Them's the facts.

If you don't like them, don't renew your season tickets.

Steve Brown
53 Posted 29/03/2013 at 04:52:00
Don't knock people in bedsits Dick. One of them managed to fool the glorious editor of TW that he had intelligence on a new bidder.
Paul Gladwell
54 Posted 29/03/2013 at 06:55:35
This man has no shame, it's getting embarrassing now, kopites are having a field day too they know he's a fraud too and yet some blues continue to believe him.
Paul Andrews
55 Posted 29/03/2013 at 07:27:45
Google "Bill Kenwright Sky Sports" and have a look at the interview if you missed it.

Apparently 99% of fans are happy with the way the "football club" is run.

Bill "a football club is only as good as the fans behind it". Don't you be getting disgruntled with the club now, that will mean you are not a Blue.

How any sane person can not see the oily insincerity, the complete phony make up of this man is beyond me.

Paul Gladwell
56 Posted 29/03/2013 at 08:29:08
Go on SOS and do the survey they are doing, the spin and lies ate just getting worse each year from this charlatan and his media buddies.
Phil Sammon
57 Posted 29/03/2013 at 08:24:29
Jackie Barry

'Blimey this is embarrassing, season ticket time is upon us. Seriously though how long will it take before those fans who believe this finally catch on that he just feeding us a line and it happens about this time every year? WAKE UP!!!!'

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I don't think many fans 'buy it'. Regardless of what BK says, we'll hand over our dosh for our season tickets because we love the club.

It is embarrassing though. He is the most insincere man on the planet. His whole life is an act. He fucking loves it too. This is his stage and we are his audience...and nobody is calling for an encore.

Simon Harris
58 Posted 29/03/2013 at 08:13:41
It's this kind of David Brent rhetoric that makes me despair.

I want to believe him so much, as he is an Evertonian and despite being an incompetent football chairman, he surely has the clubs best interest at heart.

But as each season passes, I become more cynical.

Paul Gladwell
59 Posted 29/03/2013 at 08:38:49
Phil, could not have summed it up better, his whole life is an act, crying for the cameras after beating City etc, apart from pricks like Mike Parry who love and fall for all that shit, the average man knows what he is, unfortunately its the clowns like Parry who have more power to broadcast the support he needs and the fucker knows that.
Tony J Williams
60 Posted 29/03/2013 at 08:39:42
Agreed Phil, I haven't listened to a word Billy Liar has said and I am still renewing. I renew because I want to watch Everton play football, it's as simple as that, absolutely nothing to do with Bill.
Andrew Laird
61 Posted 29/03/2013 at 08:49:08
Nimrod, haha. Would 'nimrod' eloquently describe someone advocating Jonathon Spector as a fantastic player for Everton when released by West Ham?

Quit pro quo James, still no list of these 'exclusive' managers eh James? go on be brave.

With regards to Arena, it seems that the entire world of professional football (soccer) outside of the USA is also as 'dim-bulbed' as myself for not giving this man a chance, could it be that this man is the new Clough but nobody knows except you? He even got to showcase his talents on the world stage with the national team and still no other continent came calling? Interesting.

Paul Gladwell
62 Posted 29/03/2013 at 09:07:09
Same here, Tony, I cannot listen to him, he makes me so angry as well as embarrassed at the same time, I would walk out the room if he came on, I will still renew though, although my little protest goes as far as leaving my renewal till the last hour and not the early bird they crave.

I support Everton the name, not this fraud who cries when he hears the devil's song.

Phil Sammon
63 Posted 29/03/2013 at 09:13:33
Paul

Don't you save about £80 doing the early bird?

Some protest, giving Bill an extra lump.

Think it runs out on the 19th so I'll wait till then.

Richard Tarleton
64 Posted 29/03/2013 at 09:18:14
Poor Bill same age as me and struggling with a second mortgage and just hoping that someone will come along and give him a handout. And all this struggle just because he's tried to do his best for Everton... pass the hankie, please. He's a saint or a total luvvie, acting away.
Paul Gladwell
65 Posted 29/03/2013 at 09:17:57
Michael/Lyndon would it not be feasible to do your own survey too?

I know SOS are currently doing one however the Moyes vote has shown over 7k voters on here which is a pretty good number if you had such figures in a survey about the running of the club, unlike the bullshit 84% the club did with invisible men.

Paul Gladwell
66 Posted 29/03/2013 at 09:21:52
It does Phil, but they don't do that early bird for nothing do they?
John Daley
67 Posted 29/03/2013 at 09:24:23
What? Interested parties sniffing around during season ticket renewal again? About as surprising as finding out than Ken Barlow is a daft old twat in real life as well.

We all know Bill is still going to be head of the 'Everton family' many years from now, propped up in his seat, semi-mummified, with puréed pukka pie dribbling down his chin, like a less lucid version of 'grandpa'' from The Texas Chainsaw Massacre. "Now don't you worry. Old grandpa Bill he was the best. It won't hurt none".

The only part I had any interest in was this: "suggesting that Moyes is already aware of the budget he would have this summer for team building".

Wasn't that supposed to be what Moyes was waiting on, according to Stubbs and a number of those who support his contract stance?

John Keating
68 Posted 29/03/2013 at 08:56:19
Lyndon.

The only point I would take up with you is when you say Bill is a "former" actor.

This idiot is still acting and not very well!

Tony J Williams
69 Posted 29/03/2013 at 09:23:51
I'm waiting for my credit card bill then renewing, then transfer it over to a lovely nil per cent for just over a year. See I can relate to Bill too, as I am skint also.
Patrick Murphy
70 Posted 29/03/2013 at 09:23:36
Michael Kenrick: did you realise that you may be a relative of our Beloved Chairman?
In the modern idiom the surname has numerous variant spellings including Kenrick, Kenwrick, Kerrich, Kerrage, Kerrick etc.. A famous namebearer being Emma Eleonora Kendrick (1788-1871), a miniature-painter, and author of "Conversations on the Art of Miniature-Painting", 1830. The first recorded spelling of the family name is shown to be that of John Kendrich, which was dated 1279, in the Hundred Rolls of Cambridgeshire, during the reign of King Edward 1, knownn as "The Hammer of the Scots", 1272 - 1307.

Read more: http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Kenwright#ixzz2Ov2q8GQG

You'd better get your lawyers out in case you inherit a huge debt in the family name!
Ian Bennett
71 Posted 29/03/2013 at 09:29:03
Moyes already knows the transfer funds for next season. Same as last season, Davey, go and generate it yourself.
Phil Sammon
72 Posted 29/03/2013 at 09:34:48
A miniature-painter?

So she was a dwarf? Or she painted dwarves?

Kieran Fitzgerald
73 Posted 29/03/2013 at 10:00:10
Do anyone really think that a Rijkaard or a Bilic or any other decent manager with half a brain would touch us while Kenwright is the chairman. I am honestly not being sarcastic. The quality managers rely on having a chairman they can trust, on having a chairman with integrity who can run a club well. That isn't Bill Kenwright.
Ian Bennett
74 Posted 29/03/2013 at 10:31:10
Pay them £4m per annum and they'll come, don't worry about that. Most would work for the devil with no prospects as long as they got a £16m contract, hell so would I.
Thomas Windsor
75 Posted 29/03/2013 at 10:30:34
There are plenty of good managers all over the world who would want the Everton job paying £4 million a year. And who says the fans have faith in Moyes? — I don't; 11 years he been here now and not even won a trophy... even Dalglish won one in 12 months and Laudrup the same.
Dan Brierley
76 Posted 29/03/2013 at 10:27:52
Kieran 521, unfortunately I don't think your point is true at all. Top Managers don't give a shit about integrity or their employers. They are looking to make money.

Who in their right mind would 'trust' Abramovich? Or think he is a person of high integrity after the way he treated De Matteo?

I think managers mostly look for 2 things when joining a club. Firstly, how much will they earn. Secondly, what prospects does it have for their career. Yes, there is a third choice where the manager has an affinity with the club, but this is quite rare.

Brian Harrison
77 Posted 29/03/2013 at 10:41:35
I don't really know what type of Chairman I want if we do get the buyer we all want. I see many new owners at clubs who despite having money to invest have actually made the club worse not better. Many of the new owners have no real love of the club they have bought or football in general, and many are absentee owners who very rarely attend games.

I have never worked out why anyone would invest Billions into something the don't have an interest in and of these clubs that have had massive investment I think possibly only the Glaziers would be able to sell at a profit. Our neighbours have had 2 sets of American owners the first nearly broke them and the second lot have no intention of building a new ground which is the only way they could have hoped to compete with both Manchester clubs plus Chelsea and Arsenal.

Denis Richardson
78 Posted 29/03/2013 at 10:57:28
As a fan I actually find this quite embarrassing. We are one of the most successful clubs in the history of English football, have a stable home gate of around 35k (ie one of the largest in the country) and we are basically groveling to a manager who has been in charge for 11 years and come no where near to winning anything, or even looking capable of winning anything.

Yes we may have finished between 6th and 10th on a regular basis, but is that really enough to keep people happy/satisfied? I wont even go into the style of football that has been offered up. If asked whether you'd be happy staying the way we currently are for another 5 years, would people really be happy (be honest)? Don't delude yourself into thinking there will suddenly be a change in playing style or hope of winning something.

The thought of another 5 years of Moyes in charge is truly depressing. He would also become the longest serving manager in our entire history - playing defensive first football and not even pretending to be capable of winning anything. The fan base is just going to keep going down - kids don't aspire to safety, stable first football - we need to actually entertain people and bring back hope.

BK really is scared of bringing someone else in who may rock the boat and force this board of muppets to do one.

IF YOU LOVE THE CLUB DAVEY - PLEASE GO!

Mark Frere
79 Posted 29/03/2013 at 10:54:09
Bill Kenwright always cries the poor tale... The fact is, if and when he sells the club, he will be much more wealthy than he was before he became Chairman. The guy might actually be an Everton supporter, but he will always look after his own interests first. If he was so bothered about Everton, he would sell the club for the amount him and his cronies have invested.
Robbie Shields
80 Posted 29/03/2013 at 11:04:24
James #474, what are you on about????? You sound as delusional as Kenwright (Notice the 'w' in there, you keep missing it out, a bit like you keep missing other things). Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I'm pished. I can only conclude you've looked at the time difference and thought I was up late in the UK, wrong again, I'm now in sunny Brisbane.

I couldn't give a rats if you don't take my posts serious or not, you obviously haven't got a clue anyway. I'm just making sure everyone else knows how little you actually understand about footy, despite your claims to the contrary.

Robbie Shields
81 Posted 29/03/2013 at 11:16:07
Here here Denis, thank God there are some on here who understand football and this great club of ours.
Steve Cotton
82 Posted 29/03/2013 at 10:54:38
The point that stood out in the interview was 'Dave Moyes knows what his transfer budget for next season will be'. Well that means the club has already to sell a player or two and has some interest or he has a pot of about £3 mill plus whatever else he can cobble together.

Phil Neville looking for a way out also smacks of DM's time coming to an end as any prospective new manager wouldn't surely keep Phil on. Alan Stubbs alluded to it and we all know it: DM is going; BK is staying.

Do you think BK would get to the end of the season and not know if he should be looking for a new manager??? Also, if he want Martinez, then he will have to compensate Wigan so there goes any funds that he has left....

Goodbye Fellaini, Heitinga, Neville and Hitzlsperger.

Mike Fisher
83 Posted 29/03/2013 at 11:11:40
On the Moyes debate, I am sort of 70/30 in favour of him staying as I have no idea who would replace him. On the BK debate, I think if I was him I would feel a little hard done to.

Okay, before somebody has a go, he has taken the club forward and he has hung around when others may have walked. I think he is let down by poor PR and he really needs to understand that supporters need to be engaged in the club and not kept at arms length. Having so many with no confidence in him or thinking he is not to be believed is not good for either party or more importantly Everton FC.

Now to the real world. I don't get how so many people can dream that there are billionaires out there looking to take control of Everton and BK is the barrier. I know business and so do the billionaires and Everton is a fantastic club, but not a great business. We need a huge investment to become a top club again.

Sorry to those who point out history, but history is for fans not billionaires. So what is the message to prospective oil sheiks or Russian gas producers? Tell me what they are missing? Do we want to be a Blackburn, a Villa, or even a Liverpool because more money does not mean enough money to make a difference to what happens on the field.

I am as frustrated as anybody else who loves this club and dreams of a Ross Barkley one day lifting the Champions League trophy but, until the committed and generous benefactor steps forward, let's be a little happier with where we are and those who have got us here.

Tony McNulty
84 Posted 29/03/2013 at 11:55:56
I’ll ignore the latest “buyers” scenario. As a child I used to get excited when C&Cs would make their weekly delivery to our pub. But when it happens week after week you mature and understand that there’s nothing so special about it.

The following seem to me to be the main factors dictating whether Moyes stays or goes:

(1) The availability of funds (he most likely perceives that he cannot develop any further as a manager under the present financial constraints)

(2) How strongly he feels about needing a change (he has been quoted as saying something along the lines of that after a while fans too welcome a change)

(3) Whether he has had any offers from abroad or elsewhere (he himself has mentioned Germany, and his track record with Everton would undoubtedly get him a job offer somewhere else in the Premier League, albeit probably not from one of the top four or five)

(4) His perception as to whether a sufficient number of Everton fans have turned against him (I heard him speak at a fans’ meeting a few years ago saying that he, ‘would stay as long as he was wanted, but would not outstay his welcome.’

It is difficult to know how representative are the views of more vociferous Toffeeweb anti-Moyes brigade. Around a third of people on here don’t seem to want him to renew. Certainly if he were to read some of what is stated on the site, he might start to brush up his German.


Kevin Tully
86 Posted 29/03/2013 at 12:02:31
The L'pool Echo had this story as their lead headline late last night - "Everton approached by new buyers this week" now the complete story has been removed this morning.

I imagine the club have been asked for more information, and thought ooh fuck - we can't tell more porkies, we will be digging a deeper hole here, then ordered the Echo to remove the story. Incredible.

Carl Sanderson
87 Posted 29/03/2013 at 12:07:55
Denis:

Under Moyes we have gone from continually fighting relegation to regularly challenging for Europe. Given the lack of money this is a minor miracle. His safety-first approach has been appropriate to our financial circumstances. Every time he has come close to kicking on – on the pitch – the lack of money has kyboshed him. The transfer window was simply the latest egregious example of Kenwright's utter failure as the Club's custodian.

When Moyes goes we will be fucked. On the day the team is relegated and Kenwright is run out of town, will all the Moyes-haters admit that they were wrong? Will they shite.

Why is it that I keep hearing and reading that I must "be careful what I wish for" in respect of Kenwright – but no-one ever says that about Moyes? Answer that one.

Kevin Day
88 Posted 29/03/2013 at 12:23:00
For what it's worth, I would actually prefer things to stay as they are until something happens at board level, any suitable investors would be more inclined to buy a club that is in the top half of the table than the bottom, at the very least we would all know that there will be no risk of relegation battles as things stand as they are.

If the club is sold next year and Moyes was given a healthy transfer kitty and never took us to the next level, then, and only then, can every single one of us demand he hands in his notice.

Mark Frere
89 Posted 29/03/2013 at 12:00:57
Denis Richardson (#528):

What do you expect Moyes to achieve with no money to spend over his 11 years here? Aren't you at least grateful to him for taking us from relegation material, to a top 8 team every season?

The reality is that money talks in this league and the money teams are the ones that win things and qualify for the Champions League.

All I ask for, is that this board give the manager a little bit of money to spend; if not, sell the club for a realistic price and stop holding us back.

Paul Andrews
90 Posted 29/03/2013 at 12:32:12
Kenwright is a complete phoney. Moyes is equally to blame as he knows that to be true.

Keep feeding them shite Mr Chairman & keep feeding me top notch annual salary, regardless of continued lack of transfer fees or investment into the club, I will back you up 100%

Phil Sammon
91 Posted 29/03/2013 at 12:21:08
Carl

Moyes has done a good job but, as trite as it is, he's taken us as far as he can.

He was absolutely the man for the job when he came in. He has worked miracles and up until maybe 3 years ago I'd have been devastated for him to leave the club. In fact, I was regularly labelled an apologist and accused of blindly following Moyes into the abyss.

Gradually I've done a near 180. I still appreciate what he has done but his shortcomings are becoming ever more obvious. I could now rant for hours about the various things he does that wind be up – but I shall try to keep it brief.

1 – The style of football.

At times we have been magnificent. Man Utd, Man City, the belief against Spurs... but as alluded to by Jags in his 'Shackles' comments, we are always, always holding back. Scoring a goal is the worst thing we can do. Be it in the 1st minute or the 91st, if we go ahead you can rest assured we'll spend the rest of the game camped in our own half. That is not how you win football matches, that is how you draw them.

2 – Every man back for corners

Such a small thing that not one single pundit has picked up on (to my knowledge). Yet this more than anything defines Moyes's management. The completely fucking insane thing about it all is that it isn't even a good defensive strategy. Never mind the fact that it removes any opportunity of a counter attack – that's one flaw – but we absolutely ensure that the opposing team gets two bites at the cherry when it comes to getting in a decent delivery. How has nobody realised this inside the club when thirty fucking five thousand fans are screaming it every week?!

3 – Youth policy

I'll keep this short because I seem to write about it every day. It's shite. Barkley, McAleny, Kennedy, Junior, Duffy, all good players who deserve a chance. How Gueye and Naismith were getting games instead of these lads is beyond me. And if they're not ready then get them out on 3-6 month loan spells. Not 1 month deals racked with uncertainty. Is this not absolutely fucking obvious?

Let the players have a run and play competitive football. The most laughable has to be John Stones's affair. The lad had been doing brilliantly in the first team of a decent side playing at a good level – why couldn't he have stayed there? That would surely, SURELY, have been the best option for Stones, Everton and Barnsley.

4 – The man himself

I'm growing to detest him. The arrogance, the contempt for the fans, the furrowed brow, the sense-of-humour-bypass he has undergone at some point during his tenure. He is a bore in the entertainment industry and there are few bigger crimes. The man is absolutely fucking mind numbing.

Enough is enough.

Nelly Verdonghan
92 Posted 29/03/2013 at 12:26:04
Different season....same ole shite....."...investers are out there...we've been approached this week".... who are they where are they ?? If that's the case then why are you still the owner you fucking idiot... the man takes us all for a bunch of fools and has spouted the same old lies every year for god's knows how long

Investment... 24/7... blah blah fucking blah... the man is an absolute embarrassment....!!

"... the fans don't want another Bill Kenwright...."....well he got that one spot one didn't he!!

Denis #528 & Robbie #533 you are wasting your breath, fellas, whilst there are people like Carl out there (and there are thousands of them), Moyes & Kenwright will never leave. I have said this time and time again on this site lack of cash doesn't have any effect on the style of football or the tactics used by the manager on a game to game basis... this team has been created by Moyes and plays to the style and tactics instructed by Moyes... let's not kid our selves that if he was given unlimited funding that there would suddenly be an influx of top class ball players brought in because quite simply there wouldn't.

Moyes has destroyed every centre forward that has been brought to the club during his tenure with his ridiculous 'run around like a headless chicken and make sure you run the channels...' tactics.... Beattie, Johnson, Yakubu all prolific goalscores at their previous clubs until Moyes got hold of them... now he's doing the same to Jelavic.

Yes we are no longer annual relegation candidates but that's it...we are now higher mid table also-rans... we will NEVER win a trophy whilst Moyes is in charge because the man bottles every big game he's involved in... the evidence can be no more overwhelming than last year's semi-final and that wasn't the first time... Fiorentina (away), Chelsea (League Cup semi both ties & FA Cup Final), every time he goes to The Emirates, Old Trafford, Stamford Bridge & Anfield... he has NEVER won a league game at any of these grounds FFS....

Moyes has done a DECENT job taking us from where we here to where we are but that's it... He is NOT a great manager because he has not one one single trophy in 11 seasons even when he has been on the brink of doing so on a number of occasions... unfortunately he possess the fear factor and sadly he will never lose it.

I love Everton Football Club and I have followed them worldwide for 40-odd years but sadly due to his dismal boring defensive style of play and his fear of using attacking tactics the only thing I will remember David Moyes for is being the man who drove me away from Goodison Park.I gave up my season ticket 2 years ago, because I couldn't stand the shite he serves up any longer... Yes, I still watch the match every week (home & away) but it's just not the same but I will NOT fork out my hard earned cash to those pricks any more... enough is enough and IMO it really is time for him to go!!

Carl Sanderson
93 Posted 29/03/2013 at 13:09:37
Phil:

Give me one example of Moyes's arrogance or his contempt for the fans.

And can you answer the question of why I must "be careful what I wish for" in respect of Kenwright – but not with regard to Moyes?

Gavin Ramejkis
94 Posted 29/03/2013 at 13:31:41
Seriously Carl? Do you live in a bubble? Moyes sided with Kenshite and his band of useless millionaire board members challenging why the fans would be upset with his reign, you remember those days when the other club lackey Sharp said the protest march outside Goodison was a bloke and a dog despite video evidence to the contrary. For all the crap rolled out about integrity and other twaddle he could easily have kept a quiet dignity but he didn't.
Phil Sammon
95 Posted 29/03/2013 at 13:26:24
Carl

You wish for whatever you want mate. The one thing I'll say on that matter is appointing a bad manager can cost you a season. Appointing a new board can cost you your club.

I don't like BK and I want him gone, but I'm not daft enough to put the club at the mercy any Tom, Dick or Harry. I can see both sides of that one.

So – Moyes's contempt for the fans. Have you seen his interviews? Not just his demeanour, but also his words. He has said as much that we should be glad to have him at our helm. He repeatedly lied about his contract situation. Both the signing of it and the blatant effect it was having on the players.

He's also advocated all players taking pay cuts while himself accepting huge pay rises. Pay rises are fair enough – but don't preach the opposite.

Carl Sanderson
96 Posted 29/03/2013 at 13:39:14
Phil:

Your post doesn't answer the question. Let me re-phrase it. Who do YOU think should replace Moyes?

Carl

Carl Sanderson
97 Posted 29/03/2013 at 13:45:00
Gavin:

Moyes is an employee of the club, under contract until the summer. What's he supposed to do - go running to the press and slaughter Kenwright in print?

As it is, he will probably leave in the summer. We have been lucky to have him and I now genuinely fear for the club's future.

Carl Peters
98 Posted 29/03/2013 at 13:38:42
I can't even understand why we still discuss this two-faced lying piece of shit anymore. Same bollocks year after year around season ticket renewal time, along with the "Be careful what you wish for" shite... do us all a favour, BB, fuck off and take useless shower of cunts that you call a board with you.

As for Moyes, who else is going to give this muppet £4M a year to win and achieve absolutely fuck all in eleven years? I for one won't lose any sleep if he goes. Please, David, fuck off to Sunderland and bore the bollocks off their supporters. Let's see how long you last there.

Dan Parker
99 Posted 29/03/2013 at 13:44:38
Somewhere out there, Bill is saying a prayer, that we'll find another buyer, in that big somewhere out there.

Next Pixar movie, Bill can sing that as an animated mouse.

Phil Sammon
100 Posted 29/03/2013 at 14:02:53
Carl

You asked:

And can you answer the question of why I must "be careful what I wish for" in respect of Kenwright - but not with regard to Moyes?

To which I answered:

You wish for whatever you want mate. The one thing I'll say on that matter is appointing a bad manager can cost you a season. Appointing a new board can cost you your club.

I don't like BK and I want him gone, but I'm not daft enough to put the club at the mercy any Tom, Dick or Harry. I can see both sides of that one.

Now you say you actually wanted me to answer:

Who do YOU think should replace Moyes?

They're not the same question are they?

Firstly, it's not my job to find a replacement - if it were, I'd be doing a lot more research than I currently am and I'd have more ideas than I currently do.

Secondly, I don't know what the wage on the table is, what the transfer kitty is, who is staying - who is going or any other info that BK holds.

So with that limited knowledge I'm really not in a position to start asserting my half formed opinions.

There's a few managers I'd like, some I'd accept and others I'm apprehensive about.

What do you think Carl? Do you want to keep Moyes when his heart's not in it?

Trevor Thompson
101 Posted 29/03/2013 at 14:18:05
What I couldn't understand was SSN saying something like 99% of fans are happy with the way the club are run. Really!?
Nick Armitage
102 Posted 29/03/2013 at 14:27:22
I urge anyone to do a bit of reading around the signs of lying with respect to eye movements and micro facial movements.

And then watch that interview.

Carl Sanderson
103 Posted 29/03/2013 at 14:25:54
Phil:

Whether it is your job or not is irrelevant; you have formed a view as to why you think Moyes should not carry on. It follows that you have assessed what are the qualities, skills and experience of the man who should replace him.

I note that you STILL haven't answered my question, which I asked twice.

Heigh-ho.

Carl

Chris Corn
104 Posted 29/03/2013 at 14:28:47
Carl 559, if Moyes slaughters Kenwright when he leaves then he will look a prize tit, because he has at every opportunity told everyone who will listen what a great chairman Bill is.
Phil Bellis
105 Posted 29/03/2013 at 14:30:30
Carl
"Give me one example of Moyes's arrogance or his contempt for the fans.."
I know you weren't asking me but, I give you...
Anfield, Mar 13, 2012
QED
Carl Sanderson
107 Posted 29/03/2013 at 14:36:56
Chris:

Perhaps I expressed myself badly. I am saying that Moyes could not have slaughtered Kenwright in the press WHILST STILL UNDER CONTRACT. I was responding to the charge, made by a fellow poster, that Moyes was complicit in Kenwright's behaviour.

Sam Hoare
108 Posted 29/03/2013 at 14:38:31
Nick Armitage, I wrote my university degree dissertation on lying and I'm pretty sure that there were no conclusive signs as to lying. Lots of different studies saying different things.

Doesn't mean that BK is not lying of course!

Carl Sanderson
109 Posted 29/03/2013 at 14:40:31
Phil Bellis:

I don't call that arrogance. It was a poor strategic decision that backfired spectacularly. Not the only one he has made, either: Neville for Gibson in the Wigan game was another.

Harold Matthews
110 Posted 29/03/2013 at 13:55:31
BK a "liar", a"charlatan", a" phony"...OK, fair enough. He might well be all of those things. What I don't get are the labels "buffoon" , "idiot", and "thick" applied to a guy who has reached the top of his chosen profession, is a multi-millionaire, has properties here and abroad, is married to a gorgeous, successful woman and has the best seat in Goodison Park.

Anyone on this thread done as well?

Mark Frere
111 Posted 29/03/2013 at 14:40:13
Phil Sammon 566.

If this board doesn't move on, we are never going to progress as a club! Moyes has his faults, but nothing compared to that of our board.

Ross Edwards
112 Posted 29/03/2013 at 14:37:08
If Moyes had any balls he would have stood up to Kim Jong Bill years ago. We can all criticise BK for all of his failures but Moyes is also to blame.

If he is constantly complaining about not having the finances to compete of a grander stage he shouldn't complain to the media, he should go to Bill, offer him an ultimatum and then resign but no. I think their love in was confirmed by the most embarrassing interview in television history on Goals on Sunday.

But then again, for 3 top 8 finishes on the trot he gets £12million doesn't he, which cheers him up.

I guarantee that if BK reduces his salary he'll get up and walk. Arrogance and greed beyond belief, but as Phil said hat surrender at Anfield underlined his contempt for the fans and his inflated ego.

Moyes and BK Out.

Ross Edwards
113 Posted 29/03/2013 at 14:47:50
Carl

It wasn't a strategic move that backfired, it was undermining a Merseyside Derby, which he damn well knows is one of our most important games of the season, by putting the reserves out, without even giving one about our feelings or the result, but at the end of the day he gets his 4 million quid and praise and unlimited support from Fleet Street and Billy doesn't he?

Phil Sammon
114 Posted 29/03/2013 at 14:47:27
Carl

As I pointed out, you've asked me two different questions. Both of which I have answered honestly. I posed you a question there too - which you roundly dodged.

Again - Are you happy with another 5 year when Moyes' heart isn't in it?

How can I give you a definitive answer as to who I want to manage Everton when I don't know what we can offer financially?

Guardiola? Klopp?

Hoddle? Venables?

Ray Wilkins?

Roberto Martinez? Chris Houghton?

Some foreign manager I've never heard of?

Some I'd be happy with, some ecstatic and some not so sure.

Ray Roche
115 Posted 29/03/2013 at 14:57:01
Howard, Hibbert, Distain, Jagielka, Baines. Coleman, Rodwell, Fellaini, Pienaar, Anichebe, Straq.

That was the team against the Shite last March. I'd be happy if 9 of those were playing on Saturday. Yet that was the team that got stuffed at Anfield last March. Only Jelavic and Osman, yes, the much maligned Osman, were on the bench, and they came on along with Drenthe in the 2nd half. I don't get all the stuff about a team of reserves. The team didn't turn up. Again.

Ross Edwards
116 Posted 29/03/2013 at 15:09:34
Yes but Ray, he completely wrote off a Derby, if it was Norwich or some game like that noone would have minded but to write off a Derby is what upset many Evertonians.
Andrew Laird
117 Posted 29/03/2013 at 15:03:19
Nick 570 & Sam 577, the man is an actor he lied for a living, forget the eyes it's his mouth that gives it away, it was moving.
Carl Sanderson
118 Posted 29/03/2013 at 15:14:43
Phil:

"How can I give you a definitive answer as to who I want to manage Everton when I don't know what we can offer financially?"

Fair enough, but how do you know Moyes wouldn't produce greater success with a decent transfer budget?

By the way, I asked the same question twice, differently phrased. Let me ask it again: all other things being equal who should replace Moyes?

Oh, and I dodged nothing. I want Moyes to stay, but he would be an idiot to do so.

Andrew Laird
119 Posted 29/03/2013 at 15:23:47
Carl, how do you know Moyes would produce greater success with a decent transfer budget?
Carl Sanderson
120 Posted 29/03/2013 at 15:21:24
Ross 582:

As Ray has pointed out, the team Moyes put out in that derby was competitive, but Jelavic on the bench was a major blunder. It was very far from writing off the derby and shitting on the fans.

Carl Sanderson
121 Posted 29/03/2013 at 15:26:34
Andrew 588:

I don't KNOW anything for certain. Only two people do. But the fact is that Moyes has been meanly starved of funds by a bunch of slippery, self-seeking charlatans who have invested a total of £0.00 in the Club. In thirteen years. During which football has dripped with money.

Andrew Laird
122 Posted 29/03/2013 at 15:31:07
Carl, thank you.
Phil Sammon
123 Posted 29/03/2013 at 15:52:06
Carl

Just take a moment to look at these questions...

1. And can you answer the question of why I must "be careful what I wish for" in respect of Kenwright - but not with regard to Moyes?

2. Your post doesn't answer the question. Let me re-phrase it. Who do YOU think should replace Moyes?

If you think those are both asking basically the same question then you are completely fucked in the head.

Carl Sanderson
124 Posted 29/03/2013 at 16:01:08
Phil:

I try to avoid ad hominem abuse wherever possible. And I note you still haven't answered the question - or questions, if you prefer.

One more time: all other things being equal, who should replace Moyes?

Yours,

Carl

Eric Myles
125 Posted 29/03/2013 at 15:38:23
Tom #449 True Blue Holdings no longer exist.

Brian #527, it wasn't the owners that nearly broke the RS, it was their manager Beneathus.

Mike #537, Martin O'Neill looks likely to be available at the end of the season, a manager who more than a few were touting on here a few seasons ago when he parted company with Villa.

And as for fans not thinking BB is not to be believed, well who's fault is that? Who is it that has been telling lies all these years?

Andy Meighan
126 Posted 29/03/2013 at 16:09:46
As soon as he came on SSN, I had to switch it off. I can't stand listening to the ponce. His theatrics (no pun intended) make me retch.

I see he's wheeling that auld chestnut out: "There's parties interested" — of course there is, Bill, there has been for years. But tell the truth and admit you've got no intention of selling the club... because you actually love seeing your smug cabbage-patch dolls face on the big screen at Goodison or on Sky Sports and that'd be your lot if you we're to sell.

While I'm not Moyes's biggest fan, he must have the patience of a fucking saint having to put up with your shite for 11 years. Would anyone blame him for wanting to do one? No, thought not.

Phil Sammon
127 Posted 29/03/2013 at 16:07:23
Carl

It must be hard to avoid it when you encourage so much to come your way.

Anyway, at least you've admitted that you asked two completely different questions - that's a start.

I'm not sure what these 'other things' are that you wish to hypothesise as 'equal'. What are they, exactly?

It just seems as though you don't know what question you're asking, how many questions your asking and what variables you're imposing?

It makes it difficult for me to answer when neither of us understand what you're on about.

I'd like Guardiola to replace Moyes, but I fear he may fall outside of these mysterious parameters you have set me.

Phil Bellis
128 Posted 29/03/2013 at 16:14:49
Sorry, Carl, I disagree. Throwing the derby was a total disregard to our traditions and expectations, a two-fingered "up yours — I make the decisions" to the fans.

Ask yourself this... would Big Joe or Howard Mk I have even considered doing such a thing? I think, deep down, you know the answer...

Carl Sanderson
129 Posted 29/03/2013 at 16:19:01
Phil:

Ok, I'll re-phrase it again. Which manager do you think will do a better job than David has done under the final constraints that obtain at Everton Football Club Co Ltd?

Yours clearly,

Carl

Phil Roberts
130 Posted 29/03/2013 at 16:16:33
Ross #581 - You need to be better informed. It is not David Moyes that needs to stand up to Bill Kenwright - it is Bill Kenwright to stand up to Woods and Earl.

Kenwright has no money, Woods and Earl are the ones with the deep pockets. These two own 42% of the club and are the ones who need to put in the money to keep us happy. Kenwright is not a multi millionaire so his blame is:

1. He has not persuaded Woods and Earl to put in more money;
2. He has not persuaded Woods and Earl to sell their shares to someone.

Bill is a figurehead who takes all our abuse, while Woods and Earl sit there and say nothing and watch their investment grow. Quicker we realise these are the real villains, the better.

Carl Sanderson
131 Posted 29/03/2013 at 16:22:32
Phil Bellis:

We'll have to disagree. I'm not saying I agree with Moyes's selection policy for that game - not at all - but I just don't agree that his motive was to stick two fingers up to the fans.

As regards Kendall and Royle, I agree, on the whole. I stand to be corrected, but didn't Howard play a second-string team in a Goodison derby late on in the '84-'85 season? And we won!

Ross Edwards
132 Posted 29/03/2013 at 16:30:33
Yes Phil, but also Moyes should have given Bill an ultimatum years ago.
Let's face it, they are both spineless, unambitious deluded idiots anyway.
Kevin Day
133 Posted 29/03/2013 at 16:34:35
Carl

Not wanting to really get involved, but your flogging a dead race horse that had asthma.

I'll answer your question though. No one!

Colin Wainwright
134 Posted 29/03/2013 at 16:33:05
I was under the impression that Earl only bought Greggs shares, as a favour for "friend of the club" Philip Green, after Bill had shafted his former friend and board member.

I may be wrong but it seems that Earl couldn't give a flying fuck about Everton Football Club, yet he was invited on to it by Bill. IMO his crimes number far more than the two you have given Phil.

Phil Sammon
135 Posted 29/03/2013 at 16:23:45
Carl

Right.

So who do I think would have done a better job in the past - not who do I wish to take us on in the future?

You're mixing up past and present tense there so I'm not quite sure as to which Everton we are talking about. Everton today or Everton 11 years ago.

As I've said many times, Moyes was the right man for the job then and has done great for the club. I'll give him all the credit I can for that. However his limitations are now holding us back - and perhaps more importantly, his heart isn't in it like it once was.

So, who do I think could have done a better job than Moyes?

Not many. He's done great for us.

Who do I think can do better in the future?

It's a difficult question. I think many managers would initially make us worse before we became better. Martinez is one candidate. If he got the job I'd be ok with it. He would need time and I would fear the fans getting straight on his back after a few poor results.

Laudrup is another - though he won't leave Swansea now.

Glenn Hoddle? I'm torn on him. I'm convinced he's a terrific manager, but I really don't like him as a person.

There is going to be a leap of faith involved regardless of who we get. That much is unavoidable. We would be moving from a period of stability into the unknown. Some of us are tired and bored of Moyes and wish to take that plunge in the hope that we see some better football. Results may suffer initially, I think we all accept that.

I hope somewhere in all that you can find at least one answer to your questions.

Carl Sanderson
136 Posted 29/03/2013 at 16:39:48
Kevin:

I think you're right, on both counts.

Ross Edwards
137 Posted 29/03/2013 at 16:44:33
Phil Sammon
Rijkaard?
Phil Bellis
138 Posted 29/03/2013 at 16:35:42
Carl, he never considered the feelings of the fans prior to that game.

What is worse, in my opinion, was his total lack of regret and, indeed, his remarks after the event, along the lines of he'd do it again and maybe even rest more players, exemplifies what you asked for – a clear instance of arrogance bordering on contempt.

I admit this is, I think, an isolated occurrence but ask around; he lost an awful lot of the support over that game and his post-match responses.

Phil Sammon
139 Posted 29/03/2013 at 16:46:02
Ross

Yeah, why not.

Ross Edwards
140 Posted 29/03/2013 at 16:46:06
You're right Phil
Moyes only cares about his reputation, his 4million quid, and his next venture than the fans, performances, and the fact that he is clueless and spineless.
Ross Edwards
141 Posted 29/03/2013 at 16:49:36
Come on Phil, join the RIB! (Rijkaard In Brigade)
Kevin Day
142 Posted 29/03/2013 at 16:42:26
I don't accept the notion of better football for the sake of results; results first and foremost is the fundamental reason of football. I certainly do not want Everton to become a Wigan.
Carl Sanderson
143 Posted 29/03/2013 at 16:53:43
Phil Bellis:

Oh, believe me, I know he pissed off a lot of people. I just think he had a decision to make in terms of priorities; it was his call and he made it. It exploded in his face but I think it was honest.

By the way, I checked on that '85 derby. The starting line-up was actually decent but still contained Wilkinson, Atkins, Harper and Richardson, good players but not first choice.

Kevin Tully
144 Posted 29/03/2013 at 16:45:55
I don't think there are many fans who can knock Moyes's record in the League. We have had one very bad season when we finished 17th, but we had been in a rut for many years before that.

Now our average finish is 7th, but let's not forget some of the football along the way, the likes of Wigan a few weeks ago, and the outright capitulations at the four that shall not be named.

Some believe as long as we are the top half, we are achieving all we can as a club. I don't, for a £4m a year salary for the manager, and a good nucleus of Internationals on £50k a week or more, we can at least expect a trophy. Add to that 11 years to put your stamp on a team, and the time to try all the tactical experimentation you want, we should be achieving more.

Moyes has done well during his time at the club, but I would expect this level of performance when you look at the whole picture.

Steavey Buckley
145 Posted 29/03/2013 at 17:29:45
An ideal investor is one can combine their business interests on Merseyside with Everton as part of their sporting profile. Such an investor could be one who has major interests in other parts of the world who like to combine their business with sport. The EPL being of the most marketable sporting products in the world, with Everton as one it's leading clubs, with a large fan base here on Merseyside and the rest of the world..
Gavin Ramejkis
146 Posted 29/03/2013 at 17:40:24
Carl,

Read my post again. The hint was in the "he could have kept quiet." If he's supposed to be this man of the highest integrity, that pretty much blows that myth for six. His statement put him on the hook as just another mouthpiece, like good old comical Ali, shunning out shite contrary to the truth.

Ray Roche
147 Posted 29/03/2013 at 17:45:59
Steavey, hasn't a Bahrain-based International Investment Bank just invested in Leeds Utd? Not bought the club, but invested in it. So there are still people with the money to invest in the likes of Everton and it can't just be Goodison that is "holding us back" like someone suggested last week.

We are a Premier League club who have their snout in the money trough, not a Championship side hoping for a play off place. I would imagine this Bank outfit are fairly savvy as far as finances are concerned, why have we not been approached, I wonder?

Carl Sanderson
148 Posted 29/03/2013 at 17:53:50
Gavin:

No. Going against your Board is committing career suicide. I don't know where you work but try walking into your boss's office and tell him he's doing a shite job. Better still, get onto the local press and tell them what a shite job he's doing. Then see what happens.

Gavin Ramejkis
150 Posted 29/03/2013 at 18:04:36
Carl you simply don't get it, Moyes didn't go out and say Kenwright is a cunt, he said he was an angel above reproach or criticism. I work for myself as a consultant all over the place; when asked that sort of question, you make the common sense and accepted "It would not be professional to comment." In Moyes's case, he could easily have not made a comment.

[Do you get it yet or still want to flog that dead-horse argument?]
Colin Glassar
151 Posted 29/03/2013 at 18:02:56
Who does Kenwright think we are? A bunch of brain dead idiots? He and Moyes work in tandem. Both know Moyes isn't going anywhere. Both know little or no money in the next TW. Both are serial liars who are only interested in defending their own patch and interests. Both of them make me sick.

I hope they both jump in the Mersey tbh. They are both a pair of cynical twats who don't give a damn about our club. Oh and I'm sure there are two investors interested in buying the club. I wonder who they are? Riquelme and Moutinho? Or Cannon and Ball?

Go do one, BK, you moron!!

John Keating
152 Posted 29/03/2013 at 18:08:10
Carl,

For many in this economic climate, having a normal job on normal wages, it would be extremely difficult to tell your boss he's a lying bastard. Moyes is different; he's been earning BIG money since he was a kid at Celtic and could probably have retired very comfortably on the wages he had earned as a player.

He's been managing at Everton on phenomenal wages that we can only dream about and is obviously a multi-millionaire. Now that, combined with being a "man of principle" should put him in a position to easily tell Bill he's a lying bastard!

Carl Sanderson
153 Posted 29/03/2013 at 18:12:01
Gavin:

Presumably the fault lies with me, but your last two posts made no sense whatsoever, on any level from the grammatical to the logical. I just "didn't get" them.

Carl Sanderson
155 Posted 29/03/2013 at 18:18:17
John,

If Moyes comes out against Kenwright then any future employer will look at him and wonder whether he can be trusted. How many managers have done it? I can't think of any.

John Keating
156 Posted 29/03/2013 at 18:25:59
But Carl how many managers are self-proclaimed "men of principle"?

If David Moyes resigned tomorrow he could spend in 12 months what would probably take us a lifetime to earn, so, in my opinion, money is not an issue.

Are you honestly suggesting that, if Moyes went against Kenwright, he wouldn't work as a manager again? According to the media, he is much sought-after and one of the game's top men. How could he not get a job?

I seem to remember Mourinhio slagging off Abramovich and now he's odds on to return!!! Allardyce slagged off the Venkeys and got work straight away.

I think you'll find there's lots of managers get work after leaving clubs under a cloud.

James Stewart
157 Posted 29/03/2013 at 18:34:29
Marsh has it spot on. The man is a fool and has no respect for the intelligence of our loyal fans. The shit he spouts is never ending and the boy who cried wolf must have a picture of his ugly mug next to it in the dictionary.
Colin Glassar
158 Posted 29/03/2013 at 18:59:29
Harold Matthews #579. He might have all of that, and even more. He might even have the biggest schlong since Eroll Flynn (Wikipedia it) but that doesn't take away the fact that he's a barefaced, pathological lying w@nker!!
Brian Harrison
159 Posted 29/03/2013 at 19:07:08
Gavin Ramejkis

You say Moyes could have said nothing about his contract, and let's say he followed your advice. What do you think would have been journalists' first question at every press conference? So, by saying he would make his decision at the end of the season, he has taken away the need for journalists to keep asking the question.

Carl Sanderson
160 Posted 29/03/2013 at 19:26:32
John,

Plenty of managers have left jobs under a cloud, as you say. But how many managers have come right out and slagged off the Board whilst still under contract? Not many.

Mourinho's was an odd case; he appeared to be trying to engineer his departure, if I recall correctly.

James Cadwaladr
161 Posted 29/03/2013 at 20:47:38
We are not fucked, we are not a laughing stock!

We are not the richest, we have a terrible board, we are terribly leveraged, we have next to know assets, we have a massive debt burden. We have a stadium that is falling to bits.

However!

We are Everton, I love Goodison Park, its my church. We have honour, integrity, class. I fell in love with Football, the club and the ground as a 7 year old when I walked through the concourse up the to take my seat one and saw the floodlight pitch and EVERTON written in white seats in The Bullens one December evening in 1987

Regardless of the clubs shortcomings. I am, and always will be proud to be blue.

Carl Sanderson
162 Posted 29/03/2013 at 21:15:06
After that, James, there's nothing more to be said. Well in.
Gavin Ramejkis
163 Posted 29/03/2013 at 21:31:27
Brian, my point about Moyes saying fuck all was regards his stance over the fans annoyance over BK and his board and not a statement on his contract. I chipped into the thread as a response to Carl asking when he had upset the fans. His bluff and nonsense over his contract which has moved goalposts as the season goes on only strengthens the nail against this honourable and integrity saint his acolytes portray.
Gavin Ramejkis
164 Posted 29/03/2013 at 21:34:50
Carl, you didn't strike me as one of those who can't do (so teach) maybe in your learned Head of an English Department role you can point out the grammatical failings. You raised a pretty poor point defending Moyes character which was easily responded to, then skimmed my post ignoring a pertinent section and now you retort with spin and avoidance.
James Brand
165 Posted 29/03/2013 at 22:17:28
Is it just me that wants Slaven Bilic??
John Shaw
166 Posted 29/03/2013 at 22:37:41
James713 - Bilic shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the place until he pays back the 4 years worth of wages he rifled off us while say on his fucking arse apparently injured !!!
Ian Smitham
167 Posted 30/03/2013 at 00:30:39
John#715, it is standard practice that the clubs insure the players wages so they are covered financially. A player at the time Bilic played for us confirmed this to me directly.
Ian Smitham
168 Posted 30/03/2013 at 00:33:03
James #698, well said Good man.
James Flynn
169 Posted 30/03/2013 at 00:05:41
Carl (590) – My only "quarrel" with your post would be ""dripping with money". It been raining money. The rest, good stuff.

Moyes goes, whoever comes, we still have the same owners. And they're not letting go for the forseeable future. How much more are they pocketing soon due to the increased TV contract? They ain't selling.

Even down to relegation. How much is the parachute payment? Then they'll sell, since the tit will have been milked dry.

James Flynn
170 Posted 30/03/2013 at 00:49:39
Brian (676) - Dead on.

Can you imagine a manager in the most popular league on earth taking Gavin's advice?

"It would not be professional to comment."

Oh brother.

James Flynn
171 Posted 30/03/2013 at 02:41:15
Dennis (439) - Apologies for coming in so late to your post. Happy, delighted? Yes. Not orgasmic.

Haha. Good stuff.

Kevin Day
172 Posted 30/03/2013 at 10:42:44
I've just been reading "What the papers say" on the OS.

Article after article have David Moyes saying "I've seen the transfer budget for the summer but I'm waiting on the details of it" and then goes onto say "I'll make my decision on whether to sign once I see the details and what is for the good of Everton".

I could be wrong, but maybe he's been offered a respectable amount and is worried the club is putting itself in more debt just keep him. Hence why he's waiting to see the "details".

Paul Andrews
173 Posted 30/03/2013 at 11:22:26
Kevin,

You're wrong.

Colin Glassar
174 Posted 30/03/2013 at 11:43:07
Moyes, you know your transfer budget is whatever you can flog Fellaini and/or Baines for. All this posturing is pathetic as you are only trying to get more dough out of your bum chum BK. You and him are killing the club with your lies and deceit. I know you'll stay but cut the crap and try and be honest for a change.
Winston Williamson
175 Posted 30/03/2013 at 11:57:02
A lack of funds, ambition or wanting a new challange will see Moyes leave.

Death or relegation will see Kenwright leave.

Simple.

Paul Andrews
176 Posted 30/03/2013 at 12:00:29
I would wager my last pound we don't spend the transfer fees we bring in. And that is as well as the increased TV money...
Kevin Day
177 Posted 30/03/2013 at 12:09:55
Thanks for clearing that up Paul
Paul Andrews
178 Posted 30/03/2013 at 12:12:03
No problem, anytime Kevin.
Dave Brierley
179 Posted 30/03/2013 at 13:54:10
Harold (579):
BK a "liar", a"charlatan", a "phony"... OK, fair enough. He might well be all of those things. What I don't get are the labels "buffoon", "idiot", and "thick" applied to a guy who has reached the top of his chosen profession, is a multi-millionaire, has properties here and abroad, is married to a gorgeous, successful woman and has the best seat in Goodison Park. Anyone on this thread done as well?"
Beautifully put Harold. And the answer is an unequivocal NO.
Ste Traverse
180 Posted 30/03/2013 at 14:34:04
He may be successful in running theatres, Dan, but he's clearly way out of his depth trying to run a Premier League football club with a turnover of approaching £90m.

He should have stuck to what he's good at.

Dave Brierley
181 Posted 30/03/2013 at 14:49:11
You may well be right Ste but I'm sure you must agree, 'idiot and thick' are unlikely qualities of a self-made millionaire.

By the way, I'm Dave not Dan. He's my half sister.

Paul Andrews
182 Posted 30/03/2013 at 15:31:38
He is far from the idiot he portrays, so you're right on that.

The rest is just desperate dan...

Christopher Roberts
183 Posted 02/04/2013 at 03:26:00
It's quite simple: the ground stops us from investment, end of.
Jay Harris
184 Posted 02/04/2013 at 16:17:50
Christopher that is a total red herring.

Grounds did not stop Villa,Sothampton, QPR and West Ham being bought out.

Anything can be sold at its market value but Bill wants to keep hold of his toy and Earl and Green want a "magic" pay day hence a totally unrealistic valuation bearing in mind our debt and the cronies' desire for a retail-led development of a new stadium and its consequent bonus for them.

Thomas Windsor
185 Posted 02/04/2013 at 16:55:37
The Sunderland job has gone... looks like Moyes is staying.

Please, Dave, can't you just fuck off somewhere else and let us move on???

Alex Doyle
186 Posted 04/04/2013 at 12:54:38
We live in a very different financial climate to one of a few years ago. It's not like Kenwright (or anyone else) can magic up a buyer at a reasonable price. And he's not about to just head down to cash converters. I for one would sooner not end up with an owner like QPR, Southampton, Villa or West Ham.

Although it has been disappointing the team hasn't kicked on from a promising start to the season, Moyes has still punched above his weight. Realistically, he isn't going anywhere. He would have clearly gone to Spurs, but there are no other UK jobs out there that he would consider a step up. Swansea would be the owner/manager model I would aspire to, with the club ensuring that the overriding philosophy matches with their recruitment.

All of the people hating on Moyes should try to nominate a manager Everton could reasonably expect to get. Good luck.


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