Martinez wants to create unique Everton style

I was lucky enough to watch Ball, Kendall and Harvey then the great 80s team so I will be glad to watch football from the School of Science again, instead of the occasional good result!!

I wonder has Bill given him media lessons, or is it the other way round?

Forget notably, with all due respect.

A club of Everton's stature should not be floating through the years without something to show for their endeavours.

Overachieving is the terminology of people who don't know their history.

Keeping the ball well and regaining possession quickly if we lose it. No shirkers, no passengers. Eleven very fit, intelligent, mobile athletes working in unison. Roll on.

I haven't a clue how he is going to shape us into his dream team but he obviously thinks he can.

Harold, mate, I know you saw the 'Golden Vision' play, but we now have Hibbo, Gibbo, .....

That sounds more 'Dogs of War' than School of Science.

I hope Martinez can find a winning blend of both, akin to Kendall's teams of the 80s.

It's strange isn't it, had Moyes still been in charge I would've been gutted if Fellaini had gone. Now I positively hope he does providing Martinez gets the £20m+ to spend, I'd love to see what he'd do with it.

And if Felliani stays, then great, I'd also love to see what Martinez does with him on the pitch - so win/win.

If he can get the team playing as good as the better spells of last season but bagging more goals, then he will be a success.

No, Lenny, 'overachieving' is a terminology used by people who can see football has changed – that it's hugely governed by money (of which we have none) and who are not blindly stuck in the past rambling on about things that happened in a different era of football.

Coincidentally, I'm well aware of my history, thank you very much!

Let's get behind the fella, he's beaten Liverpool at Anfield and won a cup, two things that Moyes never achieved with a better squad than Martinez had at Wigan — sounds good enough for me!

As for relegation fears, we have too good a team to get caught in that scenario. I've no doubt that some of the defensive solidarity David Moyes brought will be lost, but I think Martinez's style of play will see us killing off teams instead of taking our foot off the pedal after scoring. Also, Wigan didn't have a defensive anchor like Jags organising and putting body on the line to prevent conceding goals.

I'm not naive enough to think a new messiah has arrived but I am enthused about the new season, which hasn't been the case for a while now.

Judging by some of the comments above, 'Roberto's' charm offensive seems to be working. We deserve a much much much more of a throroughbred than this man at the helm, though.

I hope he does well - but fear he's little more than a self-regarding smarmer.

A good dose of self-delusion must be his secret.

What do you want him to promise?

The players he will buy? Before he has met existing squad. Would be a good idea to let every other club know?

What he will win and on what date?

Perhaps he should just be miserable and say expect nothing?

If he did any of the above I'd think he was stupid.

And creating a feelgood factor ......disgraceful.

I'd feel a lot better as well if there was serious talk of us being in danger of signing anyone, you know, like all those other "equals" of ours are doing (Southampton, Fulham, Villa, RS, etc. etc.)

Roberto is going to have to play with the same hand, or worse, than Moyes did, as we move into having to sell to keep the wolves from the door, rather than to *just* buy a player.

Hi

I must admit I have an appalling record. Dreadful.

RM

You're off your rocker Paul

His dream does seem impossible and I'm having trouble with images of Jelavic, Anichebe and Naismith tripping over the ball. Pretty scary stuff!

That said, he appears to have a very clear idea of the way we need to play in order to achieve success. His football "Principles". For him, It may not be about star players or expensive signings. More of a gradual filling in of his dream jigsaw puzzle.

It will take time of course, and that's where we come in. Will we give it to him? Fans were promising patience then something happened. The Fixture List was announced. Suddenly many fans were again talking about the Top 4 and Europe.

Anyway, whatever happens. It will be interesting.

Not Mr Dark.

I have a strong feeling we are gonna be treated to some good joined up footy! Which we were more than capable of last term but was somehow stifled by Moyes. Anyway he has gone now but the most ineffective minge-bag of a board remains!!!

So good luck, Bob Martin — let's hope you dish us up some tasty treats and give us all something to wag our tails over!

The nearer we get to that the higher we will climb up the League...eventually.

These hopefully's and eventually's are a reflection that talking the talk is cheap-ish, but if you do aspire to do better, you might fail or not, but if you don't aspire you will never get any better.

We wait and see how Martinez will do, but if it means anything at least he's making all the right sounds.

Football managers aren't like politicians because they actually have to get results, every week in fact.

I used to dread Moyes 'realism' speeches, they were just as political in their own way - managing expectations. Sometimes I don't think they did us any favours because as soon as we actually had an expectation, the players would freeze.

I back our team 110% every time but, given his completely unarguably awful record, I can't help but feel we have been sold way way short having him appointed as our manager. It was just all too easy for BK to appoint him because he's a bit of a media darling at the moment and such a "nice guy"! Even people on here say how good he comes across and how nice he seems... well, I frankly don't care how nice or friendly he is, look at the "unfriendly" managers Mourinho, Ferguson, Benitez, Mancini — all winners!

You can win and have class.

Step into reality. He hasn't started yet and you have no idea how good he will be - just like me.

But to slag him off already is not 110% support at all. It is miserable crap and, to me, a sign of how shit football is becoming.

Stay out of the media and watch the games when they kick off.

Then judge. .

Two from memory - Lescott and Arteta (both were forced sales) We need to be doing much better than that in a 11 year period. We should have cashed in on Cahill, Saha, Osman, Heitinga and a few others. Bily was kept for far too long, and we didn't refresh the squad enough, a trait of his personality, safety first.

Hopefully we can bring in players for £2-4m and sell for £15m, it's the only way forward and Wenger has built Arsenal on this model.

Let's give the likes of Barkley & Duffy a run, see what they are made of, what's the use of an Academy if we never play this type of player? If they are not good enough why do we keep them at the club?

You had a point about the likes if Heitinga and Bily. But where would we have finished with Arteta, Lescott and Rooney last season?

Comments like that Kevin allow our board to enforce the myth that we must sell to survive. Whilst teams like Stoke spend more than us.

And who are these "long line of strikers" Moyes has allegedly ruined? If these guys were so special, how come none is anywhere to be seen now? Only Andy Johnson is even in the Prem, and his strike rate got worse after he left Goodison, not better. All the others have faded into lower-division obscurity... or gone off to China.

Maybe Jelavic was negatively impacted by Fellaini's move to the front. If Fellaini either moves back or moves on and Jelavic scores 20 with a different partner this year, you can certainly slag Moyes for his tactics. But this "ruining strikers" fable is just ridiculous.

Mike, I think you're getting hold of the wrong end of the stick. I have NEVER considered Moyes to be the gravedigger in the Strikers Graveyard, I was being a little sarcastic. The Moyes bashers have always trotted out the old chestnut about Moyes/strikers/ruined, something I haven't subscribed to, hence "the apparently ruined" comment.

'Overachieving' is the terminology of people with a sense of realism and not living in the past.

Fair comment to a point. But listen, the past is where we come from. Without the past there is no now. And no successful future. You can talk about the present all you like but history has a place in all this money mad scramble. Otherwise Everton might as well be Workington Town.

He'd never gamble on a young striker if they cost a decent amount. Benteke for eg.

Maybe he didn't want to risk what little cash he had on an unproven striker.

And as for Jelavic, it was definitely our tactics and moving Fellaini that messed him up. He wants early crosses and through balls were he can get across his man and one touch finish.
not slow build up through balls into fellianis chest and seven one twos between bains and Pienaar

They said THAT!?"

To you or near you!?

Good for you giving them down the banks!

Don't put up with them!

Tell them where to get off.

Saying stuff like that, the NERVE of them sounds like they WERE Liverpool supporters.

Makes the blimmin' blood boil.

GRRRRRRRRRRR!!!

I mean sure ok they..um..were right like but...GRRRRRRRRR!!

COYB!!!!

To which the answer was 'Nob off, it's half time. We've not been playing badly, Second half we're playing toward the Street end. There's 45 minutes left.'

At least one of our unanswered second half trio of goals was sucked in by 'Gwladys'.

The worst of the "type" who showed the negativity v Chelsea in the Cup Final, as in "Oh we have scored too early" was sitting in the best spec in the house.

As was I and I don't always see it as a bad thing.

Sure moaning for the sake of it doesn't really do any good, but a lot of the time it is simply venting which is the most natural thing in the world and I don't see any harm in it.

Supporters are human and pay a shit-load of money and are in my opinion entitled to moan.

(nb: please don't confuse this with 'they are entitled to heap vile abuse')

Also I believe if supporters have high standards it possibly makes it harder for standards to slip.

If a simple pass is played and goes nowhere near the player it's intended for, I'm happy to hear a big narky groan, hopefully makes the player think twice about doing it again.

Some might say 'yeah but you're not doing his confidence any good'.

True, but..tough.

Whoever it is will be on a minimum of 20 large a week so his choice imo is be a man or do one.

There are mistakes and mistakes, some can't be avoided but others are just the result of lack of concentration.

For me a good moan/groan at this point is just like saying "Fucking concentrate!"

Fine with me.

As for the Bayern game, well it's a nice old quote, but I was there and can assure you all the goals were scored by Everton players.

I think he has made a cheap choice in RM and we will struggle to be top 10 if my fears are right. I mean come on, this guy has never even seen the top 10, never the less been in it. Being realistic I think we should adjust down for this season at least. I just can not see RM getting more then 8th.

Where did RM finish with Wigan his first season? He is not a wizard, I think Rodgers, Adkins and Lambert are all better then Martinez. He will not get us into CL, but maybe he can win another cup.

Give the guy a chance! Good players = Good managers.

He like other Wigan managers had to sell any decent players each year, that was the policy, its a miracle they wer'nt relegated before last season.

So where should we finish in the league?
We cant buy our way into the top 4 so the best we can hope for is 6 to 10, if we can play entertaining football and develop our own young players, thats not too bad!
So cheer up mate, its going to be a very interesting period.
This guy can be a great manager if hes given time.

Call me a Philistine but the only philosophy I want is to win, you can fanny about with the ball all day but you can't beat that winning feeling no matter how shite you've played.

Most important, he needs to be scouring the transfer market now, since players are going all over the place.

Please god no to leroy Fer, saw him in the euro under 21's, not for me

How do you think Goodison will react if we consistently play 'nice' football and get beat week in week out

The most important thing is to win, it is pointless trying to play free flowing attacking football when we have the ball if we lose our shape defensively, concede goals and lose because of it.

Good football played by good players will lead to increased chances of a higher league placing, percentage football played by good players will lead to just above mid-table or if you have a DM character 6th or 7th place.

Have a look at our squad - it is small I'll give you that - but I thought many fans believed it was the best squad we have had in a generation, so where has it all suddenly gone wrong?

The only change so far has been that RM has outlined his philosophy and most Blues hope that he can achieve as much as possible playing attractive football what's not to like?

Let's see how the table looks at Christmas and judge him on performances and points at that time, Moyes would have lasted 11 months if he hadn't have been given a chance and he had no PL experience when he came to Goodison.

Let's not fall into the trap of thinking that we are miles ahead of our neigbourss,, we aren't because we don't have their spending power and if as I think likely they are ahead of us in the table come December, don't all start blaming RM because he can't control what they do. One of the things that I thought separated the Evertonians from the DS support was the willingness to watch good football even if it meant we lost a couple more games, but it seems that I was wrong and many now want results at any cost.

I'm from the 'Entertain me first and hopefully the success will come' school rather than grind out the results week in week out with no better chance of success school.

Your last paragraph in the post above will do for me.
Perfectly put.

Good. Marvellous !
For a man in the opening weeks of what I sincerely hope will be a long and illustrious managerial career with EVERTON, I would expect nothing less.

What alternative does he have ?
Would he ever quote Private Frazer from "Dad's Army" ?
"Dooooooomed ! Dooooooomed ! We're all DOoooooooomed !"
Hardly.

Roberto has displayed what I consider to be a sincere appreciation, respect and understanding of the heritage of EVERTON FC (as did DM upon his arrival).

I eventually tired of DM's all to frequently unimaginative brand of football, and I pray that Roberto will ADD to the solidity with some spine tingling flair.

So let's just enjoy the ride and hope for a good cup run or two, which I think is definitely on the cards with RM's record. Whatever happens, I can't see next season being boring. I just hope he gets on with some transfer activity soon.

Good to see the white socks back. Other than that, I'm unmoved: could have been better, could have been worse. But why is that wretched crest a different blue? It makes it stand out even more.

According to the club shop site, you can still order shirts with Mucha and Neville on the back! Come on, folks, get your act together.

"Enough is plenty" and
"Half a loaf is better than no bread"

When he was a boy, he used to get a bun from Thompson's mission (and clogs and jerseys).

But when it came to Everton, he was one-eyed and optimistic. So much so that he told me towards the end of the Walter Smith era, "WE WILL BE GREAT AGAIN!" [Excuse me for shouting.]

Roberto would not have been my first pick but I have to say I like the way he talks things up. He has spoken about "achieving the unthinkable" and ended one of his messages on the Official Web Site by signing off "Solo Lo Mejor" which I understand means "only the best". That's what I want to hear!

If you look at Spanish culture, they have a way of doing things "flamboyantly" for example; guitar, architecture, destrezza swordsmanship, and last but not least, flamenco.

That's IT, I want to see some Flamenco Football.

OLE!