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Martinez wants to create unique Everton style

by , Liverpool Echo | 22/06/2013

Roberto Martinez provides more responses to questions about his new role at Everton, saying that he is really looking forward to coming up with a unique Everton style

“I do feel that it is important that in football you get a winning style," he said.

“Obviously everyone will highlight the late 1980s when the team reached an incredible reputation around Europe, and that's ingrained in the football club.

“There's a lot of talk about finding different styles and being attractive to watch. Clearly I'm excited about bringing a mixture of what Everton represents and what Everton stands for, together with my beliefs in the game and taking all the good things that Everton have done over the last few seasons. That's a unique combination.

“We need to be a team that is capable of being flexible from a tactical point of view," Martinez said.

"We need to be in a position where we can keep the ball well and where we can break things down.

“That's what I'm really looking forward to — coming up with a unique Everton style.

“We all need to drive together to be a team that can carry on being competitive in every game we go into, slowly growing into something special.”

He added: “I think when you look at the experience of this group of players, that's always a helping factor.

“I've got no doubts over the success that this dressing room has had over the last few seasons and I know they can take football principles in very quickly.”

An extended portion of the interview (Part Six) can be seen at the © Liverpool Echo
Article reproduced here in its original form or abridged for brevity.

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Mark Frere
482 Posted 22/06/2013 at 16:13:04
Iv'e no doubt Martinez's style of football will be more pleasing on the eye then Moyes's was. Just hope the results will be equally as impressive
Paul Kennedy
484 Posted 22/06/2013 at 16:23:32
Impressive results, you say? That depends on how long you followed the Blues.

I was lucky enough to watch Ball, Kendall and Harvey then the great 80s team so I will be glad to watch football from the School of Science again, instead of the occasional good result!!

Kevin Day
485 Posted 22/06/2013 at 16:30:23
I hope the players are taking note of all the positive things Roberto is saying, it's very refreshing, and hopefully they are all thinking they want to stay and be part of it, and I hope that potential players looking in from the outside are hearing all the good things he is saying and want to come and be part of it, that is of course if the finances allow it.
Mike Green
487 Posted 22/06/2013 at 16:39:48
I agree Kevin #485 - I hope he's not just good with words but so far Martinez's comments have made great reading. If he can deliver what he says on the pitch we're in for some good times.
Declan O'Shaughnessy
492 Posted 22/06/2013 at 17:07:23
It's probably just me, but I'm beginning to wonder if we've managed to sign Bill Kenwright mark II as our new manager. Granted, this time of the year there's nothing to do other than talk, and I guess he's obliged to do interviews when he's this new. But even so, I'll be glad when he's giving interviews on the back of some victories rather than all this pie in the sky stuff.

I wonder has Bill given him media lessons, or is it the other way round?

Ross Edwards
495 Posted 22/06/2013 at 17:23:20
i just want attractive football. No more KITAP1 or hoofball ever again!!
Mike Gaynes
497 Posted 22/06/2013 at 17:32:03
Style is nice. Wins are nicer. To me the most attractive football is the win on the scoreboard.

Lenny Kingman
511 Posted 22/06/2013 at 18:29:14
After years of nothingness can we just give this man a chance to paint the picture of a new Everton Football Club. Unheeded. There's a good chance that he will, successfully.
Gary Carter
530 Posted 22/06/2013 at 19:29:30
Some say years of nothingness, others, notably most of the footballing community in this country say years of overachieving. Martinez must be Billy Liar's dream with the theatrical stuff he's coming out with! I just pray this unique style of football isn't the same one he adopted at Wigan!! Time will tell I suppose but nothing much has changed so far. No early signings, friendly tour in the States followed by the usual type of friendlies over here and our best players being linked with other teams...
Peter Warren
532 Posted 22/06/2013 at 19:35:57
Mark #482

I would like to think the two are not mutually exclusive and I hope results are much better than Moyes — particularly the derby and cup games.
Lenny Kingman
534 Posted 22/06/2013 at 19:41:04
Gary @530

Forget notably, with all due respect.

A club of Everton's stature should not be floating through the years without something to show for their endeavours.

Overachieving is the terminology of people who don't know their history.

Steve Pugh
545 Posted 22/06/2013 at 20:21:55
No Kenny, overachieving is the terminology of people with a sense of realism and not living in the past. Our history has no bearing on how we perform in the league now, and until the present board are removed anything like our recent finishes is an over achievement.
Paul Andrews
555 Posted 22/06/2013 at 21:06:42
If we keep the same defensive solidity,and join it with the undoubtedly more attacking style of Martinez than the previous manager we could be in for an exciting season.
Peter Laing
560 Posted 22/06/2013 at 21:20:36
If you ever go into the Brick Pub on County Road either before or after the match you will see an impressive sign pointing towards Goodison Park which states "This Way To The School of Science". Martinez for me is saying all the right things at the moment, for the purists amongst our ranks playing football with flair and creativity is in our DNA. I would accept the departure of Fellaini if Martinez can recruit a playmaker in the mould of a Carzola.
Richard Dodd
585 Posted 22/06/2013 at 22:34:31
Well,at least if Robbie wants to play with three at the back,he`s inherited the perfect wing-backs in Coleman and Baines!
Graham Duffy
593 Posted 22/06/2013 at 23:55:34
Some people are so suspicious and negative. Martinez played good football at Wigan, we've got better players than them, a good defence and good attacking potential – let's give him 100% support. A few good new signings and we'll do well COYB
Paul Ferry
600 Posted 23/06/2013 at 03:10:34
Good on ya, GD (593), mate!
Harold Matthews
602 Posted 23/06/2013 at 03:14:00
Sounds like he wants us to play like Spain. Can't be bad.

Keeping the ball well and regaining possession quickly if we lose it. No shirkers, no passengers. Eleven very fit, intelligent, mobile athletes working in unison. Roll on.

I haven't a clue how he is going to shape us into his dream team but he obviously thinks he can.

Paul Ferry
603 Posted 23/06/2013 at 04:31:39
"I haven't a clue how he is going to shape us into his dream team but he obviously thinks he can."

Harold, mate, I know you saw the 'Golden Vision' play, but we now have Hibbo, Gibbo, .....

Susong Hermawan
606 Posted 23/06/2013 at 06:42:59
'Good footbal'... relegated than, Wigan was...
Simon Harris
624 Posted 23/06/2013 at 08:27:04
I wonder what Bill meant by: "Everton have got a type, it's a very hard working industrial football club."

That sounds more 'Dogs of War' than School of Science.

I hope Martinez can find a winning blend of both, akin to Kendall's teams of the 80s.

Mike Green
625 Posted 23/06/2013 at 08:31:49
Graham #593 - well said.

It's strange isn't it, had Moyes still been in charge I would've been gutted if Fellaini had gone. Now I positively hope he does providing Martinez gets the £20m+ to spend, I'd love to see what he'd do with it.

And if Felliani stays, then great, I'd also love to see what Martinez does with him on the pitch - so win/win.

Jim Harrison
626 Posted 23/06/2013 at 08:40:18
Meh, I hate the off season. Just a load of bollocks and speculation. I can't wait for the football to get going again, hopefully Bobby will prove how good he is, but please shut the fuck up in the mean time. It's just blather. Is there a coach in all of the PL who actually thinks "I want my team to play shite football and not win anything"? (Please don't say Moyes!)

If he can get the team playing as good as the better spells of last season but bagging more goals, then he will be a success.

Gary Carter
627 Posted 23/06/2013 at 08:50:27
Lenny @ 534:

No, Lenny, 'overachieving' is a terminology used by people who can see football has changed – that it's hugely governed by money (of which we have none) and who are not blindly stuck in the past rambling on about things that happened in a different era of football.

Coincidentally, I'm well aware of my history, thank you very much!

Colin Dalton
642 Posted 23/06/2013 at 10:32:57
Why are Evertonians arguing with each other before Martinez has even met the squad?

Let's get behind the fella, he's beaten Liverpool at Anfield and won a cup, two things that Moyes never achieved with a better squad than Martinez had at Wigan — sounds good enough for me!

Adam Carey
647 Posted 23/06/2013 at 10:44:39
I'm beginning to see now why Bill hired the guy. Everything he's said so far has an enthusiastic ring to it and I am looking forward to seeing what Roberto can do with the team, even without new signings. (Even taking the 'actions speak louder than words' phrase into consideration.)

As for relegation fears, we have too good a team to get caught in that scenario. I've no doubt that some of the defensive solidarity David Moyes brought will be lost, but I think Martinez's style of play will see us killing off teams instead of taking our foot off the pedal after scoring. Also, Wigan didn't have a defensive anchor like Jags organising and putting body on the line to prevent conceding goals.

I'm not naive enough to think a new messiah has arrived but I am enthused about the new season, which hasn't been the case for a while now.

Andy Walker
649 Posted 23/06/2013 at 11:02:12
He can certainly talk the talk, but can he walk it?
Paul Dark
664 Posted 23/06/2013 at 11:54:27
I thought his interview with the OS was awful: empty, substance-less words (a la Tony Blair). The slightest analysis would show that he 'says' nothing. His entire philosophy seems to be based around trying to create a feelgood factor while promising nothing, not putting his neck on the line and uttering such generalities that he would never be accountable for them.

Judging by some of the comments above, 'Roberto's' charm offensive seems to be working. We deserve a much much much more of a throroughbred than this man at the helm, though.

I hope he does well - but fear he's little more than a self-regarding smarmer.

Paul Dark
666 Posted 23/06/2013 at 12:02:03
And another thing: I wonder how he squares all these grand words with the pathetic relegation of Wigan last season - and his generally appalling record there.

A good dose of self-delusion must be his secret.

Ged Simpson
669 Posted 23/06/2013 at 12:03:49

What do you want him to promise?

The players he will buy? Before he has met existing squad. Would be a good idea to let every other club know?

What he will win and on what date?

Perhaps he should just be miserable and say expect nothing?

If he did any of the above I'd think he was stupid.

And creating a feelgood factor ......disgraceful.

Matt Traynor
670 Posted 23/06/2013 at 12:05:42
Paul #666 (hmmmmm...) maybe your ire would be better directed at those above him who are not able to provide any transfer funds until he sells Fellaini, and possibly others.

I'd feel a lot better as well if there was serious talk of us being in danger of signing anyone, you know, like all those other "equals" of ours are doing (Southampton, Fulham, Villa, RS, etc. etc.)

Roberto is going to have to play with the same hand, or worse, than Moyes did, as we move into having to sell to keep the wolves from the door, rather than to *just* buy a player.

Ged Simpson
671 Posted 23/06/2013 at 12:08:35
Or should he begin by saying


I must admit I have an appalling record. Dreadful.


You're off your rocker Paul

Harold Matthews
675 Posted 23/06/2013 at 10:57:52
Paul. Spot on. A touch of realism from the Windy City.

His dream does seem impossible and I'm having trouble with images of Jelavic, Anichebe and Naismith tripping over the ball. Pretty scary stuff!

That said, he appears to have a very clear idea of the way we need to play in order to achieve success. His football "Principles". For him, It may not be about star players or expensive signings. More of a gradual filling in of his dream jigsaw puzzle.

It will take time of course, and that's where we come in. Will we give it to him? Fans were promising patience then something happened. The Fixture List was announced. Suddenly many fans were again talking about the Top 4 and Europe.

Anyway, whatever happens. It will be interesting.

Harold Matthews
676 Posted 23/06/2013 at 12:20:41
Spot on Paul Ferry from Chicago.

Not Mr Dark.

Danny Kewley
679 Posted 23/06/2013 at 11:49:58
Spot on! Let's give the lad a chance and show us what he is really capable of.

I have a strong feeling we are gonna be treated to some good joined up footy! Which we were more than capable of last term but was somehow stifled by Moyes. Anyway he has gone now but the most ineffective minge-bag of a board remains!!!

So good luck, Bob Martin — let's hope you dish us up some tasty treats and give us all something to wag our tails over!

Derek Thomas
680 Posted 23/06/2013 at 12:33:12
Short version; School of Science here we come...hopefully.

The nearer we get to that the higher we will climb up the League...eventually.

These hopefully's and eventually's are a reflection that talking the talk is cheap-ish, but if you do aspire to do better, you might fail or not, but if you don't aspire you will never get any better.

We wait and see how Martinez will do, but if it means anything at least he's making all the right sounds.

Jon Withey
681 Posted 23/06/2013 at 12:40:17
As a public figure in the internet forum age, everything you say will be torn to pieces anyway, best you say nothing.

Football managers aren't like politicians because they actually have to get results, every week in fact.

I used to dread Moyes 'realism' speeches, they were just as political in their own way - managing expectations. Sometimes I don't think they did us any favours because as soon as we actually had an expectation, the players would freeze.

Gary Carter
682 Posted 23/06/2013 at 12:42:49
Nail on the head, Paul, every time I see or hear him he comes across more and more as being some sort of Kenwright glove puppet!

I back our team 110% every time but, given his completely unarguably awful record, I can't help but feel we have been sold way way short having him appointed as our manager. It was just all too easy for BK to appoint him because he's a bit of a media darling at the moment and such a "nice guy"! Even people on here say how good he comes across and how nice he seems... well, I frankly don't care how nice or friendly he is, look at the "unfriendly" managers Mourinho, Ferguson, Benitez, Mancini — all winners!

Jon Withey
685 Posted 23/06/2013 at 12:53:19
For every Mourinho there is a Guardiola. For every Benitez there is a Del Bosque.

You can win and have class.

Derek Thomas
686 Posted 23/06/2013 at 12:54:43
Gary Carter#682 stop giving me the negative waves, I WANT to believe, at least until the first ball has been kicked or until it goes all mike walkeresque and the MOB uniform comes out of the wardrobe, then I will bury you in more negative waves than you've ever seen...or as it is known, the normal ToffeeWeb banter
Ray Roche
688 Posted 23/06/2013 at 12:58:09
It will be interesting to see if Moyes WAS responsible for Jelavic and his poor form and if he (Jelavic) is the latest in a long line of strikers Moyes has apparently ruined. If Martinez gets 20-25 goals from him this coming season he will no doubt underline his own attacking credentials and further torpedo any Moyes supporters for giving Moyes the benefit of the doubt. Interesting times ahead.
Colin Glassar
690 Posted 23/06/2013 at 13:15:32
We didn't have a particular style under Moyes as we were always regarded as a hard working, dour, plucky little team. Anything better will be an improvement. Yes, we were hard to beat but it was also difficult for us to win because of the built-in conservatism Moyes inspired. Take off the shackles Roberto and let this team fly.
Ged Simpson
696 Posted 23/06/2013 at 13:44:52
Gary - you talk crap. Benitez - nice guy. Mancini- same.

Step into reality. He hasn't started yet and you have no idea how good he will be - just like me.

But to slag him off already is not 110% support at all. It is miserable crap and, to me, a sign of how shit football is becoming.

Stay out of the media and watch the games when they kick off.

Then judge. .

Kevin Tully
702 Posted 23/06/2013 at 14:15:25
I think Martinez can improve us in a few areas. Ask yourselves how many players the last fella bought, and sold on for a profit, repeating that cycle?

Two from memory - Lescott and Arteta (both were forced sales) We need to be doing much better than that in a 11 year period. We should have cashed in on Cahill, Saha, Osman, Heitinga and a few others. Bily was kept for far too long, and we didn't refresh the squad enough, a trait of his personality, safety first.

Hopefully we can bring in players for £2-4m and sell for £15m, it's the only way forward and Wenger has built Arsenal on this model.

Let's give the likes of Barkley & Duffy a run, see what they are made of, what's the use of an Academy if we never play this type of player? If they are not good enough why do we keep them at the club?

Alan Smith
738 Posted 23/06/2013 at 16:18:19
I'd like to see our best players stay thanks.

You had a point about the likes if Heitinga and Bily. But where would we have finished with Arteta, Lescott and Rooney last season?

Comments like that Kevin allow our board to enforce the myth that we must sell to survive. Whilst teams like Stoke spend more than us.

Mike Gaynes
745 Posted 23/06/2013 at 16:50:04
Ray Roche (688), don't players have any responsibility for their own form in your book? Is it always the manager's fault? Hey, if Moyes was responsible for Jelavic's bad form this past season, then wasn't he responsible for his great form the season before?

And who are these "long line of strikers" Moyes has allegedly ruined? If these guys were so special, how come none is anywhere to be seen now? Only Andy Johnson is even in the Prem, and his strike rate got worse after he left Goodison, not better. All the others have faded into lower-division obscurity... or gone off to China.

Maybe Jelavic was negatively impacted by Fellaini's move to the front. If Fellaini either moves back or moves on and Jelavic scores 20 with a different partner this year, you can certainly slag Moyes for his tactics. But this "ruining strikers" fable is just ridiculous.

Ray Roche
750 Posted 23/06/2013 at 17:22:26
Mike Gaynes.

Mike, I think you're getting hold of the wrong end of the stick. I have NEVER considered Moyes to be the gravedigger in the Strikers Graveyard, I was being a little sarcastic. The Moyes bashers have always trotted out the old chestnut about Moyes/strikers/ruined, something I haven't subscribed to, hence "the apparently ruined" comment.

Lenny Kingman
753 Posted 23/06/2013 at 17:32:08
Steve # 545

'Overachieving' is the terminology of people with a sense of realism and not living in the past.

Fair comment to a point. But listen, the past is where we come from. Without the past there is no now. And no successful future. You can talk about the present all you like but history has a place in all this money mad scramble. Otherwise Everton might as well be Workington Town.

Alan Smith
754 Posted 23/06/2013 at 17:34:51
He never bought a top striker who was on the up, in 11 years. He was also behind the curve with yakubu. He should have been buying him when he was getting Beattie after just one good season at Southampton.

He'd never gamble on a young striker if they cost a decent amount. Benteke for eg.

Maybe he didn't want to risk what little cash he had on an unproven striker.

And as for Jelavic, it was definitely our tactics and moving Fellaini that messed him up. He wants early crosses and through balls were he can get across his man and one touch finish.
not slow build up through balls into fellianis chest and seven one twos between bains and Pienaar

Mike Gaynes
778 Posted 23/06/2013 at 19:26:04
Ray Roche, my apologies. I missed your sarcasm completely. Put me down for an air shot. Not my first or last.
Ray Roche
783 Posted 23/06/2013 at 19:57:20
Mike, don't mention air shots. And DON'T mention shanks!
Eugene Ruane
787 Posted 23/06/2013 at 20:16:02
Tony Draper (759) - "Were these the dullards I heard at Wembley when Saha scored the fastest FA Cup Final goal ever? The ones saying "Oh we've done it now, we've scored too early !" Cos if you are, then I'll say now what I said then. "Why don't you fuck off and support bloody Liverpool?" And join ALL the other spineless whingers, fainthearts, and spoilers?"

They said THAT!?"

To you or near you!?

Good for you giving them down the banks!

Don't put up with them!

Tell them where to get off.

Saying stuff like that, the NERVE of them sounds like they WERE Liverpool supporters.

Makes the blimmin' blood boil.


I mean sure ok right like but...GRRRRRRRRR!!


James Stewart
839 Posted 24/06/2013 at 00:36:05
I am not really interested in his tactics and whether he will go 4 or 5 at the back. What I am looking forward to is our side going out and playing without fear. Everytime we played a top team Moyes would be talking down our chances every opportunity he got. I think Moyes preferred to grind out a point than attempt an away win. Refreshing!
Chris Jones [Burton]
845 Posted 24/06/2013 at 01:10:11
Eugene (787), the "type" of which Tony (759) speaks was, sadly, around even in the days of our pomp. I remember some of the conversation behind me at half time in the second leg of our ECWC semi final against Bayern: "blah, blah, blah, 1:0 down at half time, why have we paid to watch this, I'm not coming again, blah, blah, blah, blah."

To which the answer was 'Nob off, it's half time. We've not been playing badly, Second half we're playing toward the Street end. There's 45 minutes left.'

At least one of our unanswered second half trio of goals was sucked in by 'Gwladys'.

Paul Andrews
884 Posted 24/06/2013 at 11:30:41
Chris Jones,

The worst of the "type" who showed the negativity v Chelsea in the Cup Final, as in "Oh we have scored too early" was sitting in the best spec in the house.

Eugene Ruane
887 Posted 24/06/2013 at 11:41:36
Chris Jones - "Eugene (787), the "type" of which Tony (759) speaks was, sadly, around even in the days of our pomp".

As was I and I don't always see it as a bad thing.

Sure moaning for the sake of it doesn't really do any good, but a lot of the time it is simply venting which is the most natural thing in the world and I don't see any harm in it.

Supporters are human and pay a shit-load of money and are in my opinion entitled to moan.

(nb: please don't confuse this with 'they are entitled to heap vile abuse')

Also I believe if supporters have high standards it possibly makes it harder for standards to slip.

If a simple pass is played and goes nowhere near the player it's intended for, I'm happy to hear a big narky groan, hopefully makes the player think twice about doing it again.

Some might say 'yeah but you're not doing his confidence any good'.

True, but..tough.

Whoever it is will be on a minimum of 20 large a week so his choice imo is be a man or do one.

There are mistakes and mistakes, some can't be avoided but others are just the result of lack of concentration.

For me a good moan/groan at this point is just like saying "Fucking concentrate!"

Fine with me.

As for the Bayern game, well it's a nice old quote, but I was there and can assure you all the goals were scored by Everton players.

Jimmy Sørheim
980 Posted 24/06/2013 at 17:06:40
Kenwright has not come out and said where he demands Everton end up. No talk of top 10 anymore from him.

I think he has made a cheap choice in RM and we will struggle to be top 10 if my fears are right. I mean come on, this guy has never even seen the top 10, never the less been in it. Being realistic I think we should adjust down for this season at least. I just can not see RM getting more then 8th.

Where did RM finish with Wigan his first season? He is not a wizard, I think Rodgers, Adkins and Lambert are all better then Martinez. He will not get us into CL, but maybe he can win another cup.

Raymond Fox
001 Posted 24/06/2013 at 17:39:25
Paul Dark Everton supporter?
Nobody would guess reading your posts.

Give the guy a chance! Good players = Good managers.

He like other Wigan managers had to sell any decent players each year, that was the policy, its a miracle they wer'nt relegated before last season.

So where should we finish in the league?
We cant buy our way into the top 4 so the best we can hope for is 6 to 10, if we can play entertaining football & develop our own young players, thats not too bad!
So cheer up mate, its going to be a very interesting period.
This guy can be a great manager if hes given time.

Chad Schofield
130 Posted 25/06/2013 at 02:16:34
I can't believe some of the negative shit spouted by some. Give the man a bloody chance. I think it's great what he's saying... but it's pretty obvious that it's going to take more than words for him to be a success. I'd love him to be a success as, you know, I'd love us to be a success. If he loses a ton of games and looks like he's not got a clue, by all means lash into the bloke... but not before a ball's been kicked.
Colin Southern
164 Posted 25/06/2013 at 09:37:53
You can quote the 'school of science' and history bollocks all day long but its meaningless if you are spiralling down the league because you've sold all of your best players and bought shite instead.

Call me a Philistine but the only philosophy I want is to win, you can fanny about with the ball all day but you can't beat that winning feeling no matter how shite you've played.

Frida Ericsson
166 Posted 25/06/2013 at 09:51:44
1 need goalscorer
2 need pace
3 need more players with actual ability to be able to pass the ball intelligently.

Most important, he needs to be scouring the transfer market now, since players are going all over the place.

Please god no to leroy Fer, saw him in the euro under 21's, not for me

Paul Corbishley
168 Posted 25/06/2013 at 10:08:13
Well said Colin (164). I'm sick of all this bollocks about 'Footballing philosophy and principles'. It might be acceptable being manager of Wigan and sticking to your footballing principles even if it does end up with the club being relegated, Tony Mowbray done a similar thing at West Brom a few seasons ago.

How do you think Goodison will react if we consistently play 'nice' football and get beat week in week out

The most important thing is to win, it is pointless trying to play free flowing attacking football when we have the ball if we lose our shape defensively, concede goals and lose because of it.

Paul Andrews
177 Posted 25/06/2013 at 11:56:29
How do you think Goodison will react if we consistently play nice football and win week in week out?
Patrick Murphy
184 Posted 25/06/2013 at 12:17:39
Seriously do some posters have a DS boss peering over their shoulder when they read TW or have a neighbour who keeps shouting abuse at them when RM makes a statement or has the willingness to sacrifice football enjoyment in exchange for the remote possibility of CL or better infested the supporters of Everton FC like most of the PL fraternity.

Good football played by good players will lead to increased chances of a higher league placing, percentage football played by good players will lead to just above mid-table or if you have a DM character 6th or 7th place.

Have a look at our squad - it is small I'll give you that - but I thought many fans believed it was the best squad we have had in a generation, so where has it all suddenly gone wrong?

The only change so far has been that RM has outlined his philosophy and most Blues hope that he can achieve as much as possible playing attractive football what's not to like?

Let's see how the table looks at Christmas and judge him on performances and points at that time, Moyes would have lasted 11 months if he hadn't have been given a chance and he had no PL experience when he came to Goodison.

Let's not fall into the trap of thinking that we are miles ahead of our neigbourss,, we aren't because we don't have their spending power and if as I think likely they are ahead of us in the table come December, don't all start blaming RM because he can't control what they do. One of the things that I thought separated the Evertonians from the DS support was the willingness to watch good football even if it meant we lost a couple more games, but it seems that I was wrong and many now want results at any cost.

I'm from the 'Entertain me first and hopefully the success will come' school rather than grind out the results week in week out with no better chance of success school.

Paul Andrews
229 Posted 25/06/2013 at 17:08:08

Your last paragraph in the post above will do for me.
Perfectly put.

Tony Draper
243 Posted 25/06/2013 at 17:32:20
My understanding is that this thread IS regarding our new manager's stated wish to create a style of football befitting our great Club.

Good. Marvellous !
For a man in the opening weeks of what I sincerely hope will be a long and illustrious managerial career with EVERTON, I would expect nothing less.

What alternative does he have ?
Would he ever quote Private Frazer from "Dad's Army" ?
"Dooooooomed ! Dooooooomed ! We're all DOoooooooomed !"

Roberto has displayed what I consider to be a sincere appreciation, respect and understanding of the heritage of EVERTON FC (as did DM upon his arrival).

I eventually tired of DM's all to frequently unimaginative brand of football, and I pray that Roberto will ADD to the solidity with some spine tingling flair.

Roger Helm
323 Posted 25/06/2013 at 22:23:29
If we are realistic we won't be disappointed. We can't compete with the teams who finished above us for financial reasons and next season I don't think RS will do as badly as last season. So we'll be upper-mid-table - too good to go down, too poor to get to Europe.

So let's just enjoy the ride and hope for a good cup run or two, which I think is definitely on the cards with RM's record. Whatever happens, I can't see next season being boring. I just hope he gets on with some transfer activity soon.

Kev Johnson
765 Posted 27/06/2013 at 10:34:09
Talking of 'Everton style', what does everyone think of the new home kit? It's up on the OS now. (How about a new thread, MK/LL?)

Good to see the white socks back. Other than that, I'm unmoved: could have been better, could have been worse. But why is that wretched crest a different blue? It makes it stand out even more.

According to the club shop site, you can still order shirts with Mucha and Neville on the back! Come on, folks, get your act together.

Laurie Hartley
795 Posted 27/06/2013 at 11:25:39
Roger at 323, when it comes to Everton, don't think small — think big, mate.

My dad (God bless him) gave me two other adages when I was a little lad which I have never forgotten:

"Enough is plenty" and
"Half a loaf is better than no bread"

When he was a boy, he used to get a bun from Thompson's mission (and clogs and jerseys).

But when it came to Everton, he was one-eyed and optimistic. So much so that he told me towards the end of the Walter Smith era, "WE WILL BE GREAT AGAIN!" [Excuse me for shouting.]

Roberto would not have been my first pick but I have to say I like the way he talks things up. He has spoken about "achieving the unthinkable" and ended one of his messages on the Official Web Site by signing off "Solo Lo Mejor" which I understand means "only the best". That's what I want to hear!

If you look at Spanish culture, they have a way of doing things "flamboyantly" for example; guitar, architecture, destrezza swordsmanship, and last but not least, flamenco.

That's IT, I want to see some Flamenco Football.


Ray Roche
798 Posted 27/06/2013 at 12:11:22
Laurie, you want to see Coleman mincing about in tight black kecks and high heels? Christ on a bike...
Laurie Hartley
801 Posted 27/06/2013 at 12:32:06
Ray, no thanks but I reckon those Spanish judies look alright in them.
Mick Doherty
802 Posted 27/06/2013 at 12:21:12
Ray I think Laurie means he wants to see some 'Duende', the inherent passion and grace of flamenco.... think Roberto is a Catalan though, Flamenco being predominantly Andalusian, we might however see the team celebrate a goal by building a 'Castell' :)
Dick Fearon
250 Posted 28/06/2013 at 10:04:24
Martinez is turning into a bit of a media tartwants but what he should immediately do is get back to Goodison and start earning his wage.
The way things are going we will be stripped of our best assets before he lands.
I do not look forward to facing an Arsenal with Arteta and Fellaini.
The same goes for United with Baines laying them on for Rooney and RVP.
Sod it! I don't know why I bother. most of you have in your minds already sold them.

Giacomo Trifoglio
347 Posted 28/06/2013 at 14:28:13
Prior to his connection with EFC I always got the impression he'd worked out he could make a living by providing fodder for the media. Can't say my opinion has changed, I sense Wigan-in-disguise next year.

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