Most Evertonians will point to the Wigan FA Cup game as the nadir of last season and it was the epitome of humiliation; however, I would suggest that the majority of the 2500 who travelled to Carrow Road in February would mark that game down as the low-water mark in a frustrating league campaign.

The game encapsulated everything that was wrong with our former manager in the last few seasons of his tenure and the same fixture now provides an intriguing opportunity to contrast and compare the approach of our new manager as we travel there for our first game of the new season.

I know it feels like picking at a scab that wont heal and I understand those who say we should move on, look forward and not be pre-occupied by whats gone. However, whether it is in business or sport, its important to establish benchmarks from which you can measure and quantify progress. Ultimately success is measured by the performance in real time but year-on-year comparables provide a useful benchmark. To my mind, comparing the first season under our new manager against the last one under OFM will be a useful yard stick, none more so than Norwich away.

We went in to last seasons game on the back of a 2-0 league defeat at OT (no change there) and a disappointing cup draw at Oldham, where we failed to hold a lead against inferior opposition (theres a theme developing here).

So, we were not in the best of form but some of us deluded Evertonians still harboured hopes of a top 4 finish because we were still in with a shout. We were also playing a side that hadnt won in the league for 3 months and were low on confidence.

We dominated the first 60 minutes, led 1-0 through Leon Osman and were looking comfortable for the win. What happened in the last half hour epitomised Everton under OFM.

Leading 1-0 against a team on their uppers and we took Jelavic off replaced him with Mirallas and left the ineffective Naismith on. Instead of going for the killer second, we sat deeper and deeper and let them back in to the game. Those of us who witnessed it could have written the script because wed seen it so many times before.

They made a substitution which also changed the game and they scored 2 in the last 10 minutes, the winner coming in injury time.

Finishing 4th became a pipe dream and the rumblings about the manager’s new contract became louder.

Two weeks later we were dumped out of the cup by Wigan and our season was over. Subsequent events and the benefit of hindsight have now taught us that Moyes was already gone by this point. From my perspective Id run out of patience with Moyes after the double capitulation against our neighbours the previous season so there was no good will or tolerance left in me.

We now go back to Norwich for the new season opener under our new manager. Carrow Road is hardly an intimidating place so it shouldnt exactly be a baptism of fire but should give us a good feel for how Martinez will approach away trips like these.

Sure, Ill be interested in the formation and who he picks but of greater interest will be his mind set and to see how he reacts if we go 1-0 up or for that matter 1-0 down. The comparison against last season may tell us a lot.

Its only one game and my judgement on Martinez will be taken over the whole season but I sincerely hope Im getting on the Anglia Trains bone rattler out of Norwich on Saturday in a considerably better mood than in February.

Time will tell...

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Eric Myles
1 Posted 14/08/2013 at 06:09:16
My abiding memories of last season's game at Carrow Road were of Fellaini and Jagielka continually being bear-hugged by Norwich players and no fouls or penalties being given to us.
Matt Traynor
2 Posted 14/08/2013 at 06:36:42
I don't think it'll be a cakewalk - Norwich last season were always struggling for goals, and invariably up against it if the opposition scores (except against us it would seem). They've added a bit of quality in their midfield / attack, and got rid of that over-rated lump Holt (probably responsible for most of the bear-hugging).

I think defence is still their weak point, but they should score more than they did last season.

Alan Humphreys
3 Posted 14/08/2013 at 10:00:55
I'm with Matt on this one, Chris Hughton has been very astute in his signings backed by his board and has brought in much better players than he had.

Hopefully Fer is suspended as I'd heard, can see us ruing that missed opportunity (IMO probably fall-out after OFM agreed his new contract), especially with Mr Glass in our midfield.

Still, the game will be an opportunity to see if Martinez has ironed out the kinks in the new system. You'd think any Prem side would convert more of the chances we gifted Betis.

Tony J Williams
4 Posted 14/08/2013 at 12:35:27
Is this going to be the thing for this season? Comparing Martinez v Moyes results?

Hope not, I would rather discuss the games we play and not refer to our previous manager because ultimately it will end up with yet more boring comparisons and arguments between the pro and anti teams.

The King is dead, long live the King, we shouldn't care what happened last season, he's gone so it's an irrelevance. We are Martinez's Men now so last season means nothing to us.

Eric Myles
5 Posted 14/08/2013 at 14:59:23
Matt, it was their #19 all over Jags, let's hope we get better reffing this season than last. It would make a change and a big difference.
Dave Arrow
6 Posted 14/08/2013 at 14:52:40
Tony (012).
I also find the lets just airbrush out the last 11 years and move on a bit tedious.

I actually think that having a context by which we can objectively assess Martinez is relevant.

If were 1-0 up on Saturday and pressing for a second then that will be a statement of intent and night and day from last season.

You mention that we are Martinezs Men now well I guess that also goes for the players. Now that will be interesting to see how he gets the players hes inherited from Moyes to play, but I guess that would be deemed a comparison and off limits in your world.

Dave Arrow
7 Posted 14/08/2013 at 15:14:18
Eric (041)
Poor refereeing and Jags being man handled at corners wasn't the reason we conceded 2 goals in the last 10 minutes. We hardly got in their box in the last half an hour and sat so deep we just invited pressure.

Same thing at Goodison when they equalised in the last minute.

Dan McKie
8 Posted 14/08/2013 at 15:34:39
I always found it odd that under Moyes last year, we played with a lot more freedom when we were a goal down (until we equalised of course), and nothing but fear when we were a goal up. If we didnt get a 2nd goal within 10 minutes of the 1st, you could literally see the team dropping deeper and deeper, hoofing it, and then conceding.

I hope Martinez eradicates that fear, but without leaving us too exposed.

Eric Myles
9 Posted 14/08/2013 at 15:38:27
Dave #050, but poor reffing and bear hugging of Jags and Fellaini was the reason we didn't get the 4 penalties we should have had to put the game to bed before the last 10 minutes.

But yes, OFMs defensive tactics in the last 20 minutes of a game were maddening.

Derek Knox
10 Posted 14/08/2013 at 15:31:31
It doesn't seem that long ago (well it's not really) that we saw Delia,microphone in hand,bellowing to the crowd " Come on then! Let's be having you " or words that were similar. They were going through dire straits both on and off the field,look at them now! They are spending on not too shoddy transfers like there's no tomorrow!
Our transfer activity to date,in comparison, makes us look like the team from the sticks!
As long as we get a result I suppose is the main thing! Who knows we may not have finished in the merry-go-round transfer market!
Dave Arrow
11 Posted 14/08/2013 at 16:58:48
Derek (059)
Classic! I think it was a Monday night game on Sky and clearly Delia had enjoyed some pre-match refreshments. The HT entertainment was better than the game.

I still think we are a much better side than Norwich player for player and I hope I can still say that on 1 September.

Tony J Williams
12 Posted 14/08/2013 at 17:22:19
"I also find the lets just airbrush out the last 11 years and move on a bit tedious"

Fair enough, but what possible reason can there really be for the comparison of the two managers? Apart from the "you were right/wrong" culture.

It doesn't make any difference what Moyes did last season, it's what Martinez does this coming season.

What happens if we are 1-0 up and still go for it and lose 3-1, does that mean Martinez and his gung ho style is worse than keeping it tight?

Lets just enjoy (fingers crossed) this season for what it is, one under a new manager and one where our hopes are high. Not one where we constantly have battles on here been the anti and pro sides about well Martinez/Moyes did this last season and it worked/failed.

Tony J Williams
13 Posted 14/08/2013 at 17:22:19
"I also find the lets just airbrush out the last 11 years and move on a bit tedious"

Fair enough, but what possible reason can there really be for the comparison of the two managers? Apart from the "you were right/wrong" culture.

It doesn't make any difference what Moyes did last season, it's what Martinez does this coming season.

What happens if we are 1-0 up and still go for it and lose 3-1, does that mean Martinez and his gung ho style is worse than keeping it tight?

Lets just enjoy (fingers crossed) this season for what it is, one under a new manager and one where our hopes are high. Not one where we constantly have battles on here been the anti and pro sides about well Martinez/Moyes did this last season and it worked/failed.

Tony J Williams
14 Posted 14/08/2013 at 17:28:08
Sorry about that, system crashed
Dave Arrow
15 Posted 14/08/2013 at 17:28:52
I fully understand the point you're making and it is all about the here and now but I don't think a bit of contrast and compare does any harm.

We grew to know what to expect from OFM at the start of each season although I must admit the way we played in the early part of last season was a pleasant surprise. However I guess I'm looking to establish a foothold in trying to understand what we will get under Martinez. I hope to enjoy ithe ride and reckon we'll have a lot less draws and more wins and losses.

I'm not overwhelmed by his rsum and don't like the relegation stigma irrespective of the circumstances however he did win a trophy. He's had a decent pre-season and has handled his new environment well. Which is more than can be said for OFM who has realised the intensity of media scrutiny at OT the hard way. Not a comparison just an observation!

Kieran Fitzgerald
16 Posted 14/08/2013 at 18:10:49
Dave, I think we will end up comparing like for like between last season and this season. I think it's only natural. Moyes was with us for eleven years, Martinez is just in the door.

I just don't want to end up using what was good about Moyes as a stick to beat Martinez with, or what was bad about Moyes to hype up Martinez' good points. It's pointless. Moyes is gone, Martinez alone is the manager now.

Both Martinez and the squad need to be judged on their own merits and failings, not somebody else's.

Derek Knox
17 Posted 14/08/2013 at 18:22:46
Thank God for that Tony (083)
Thought someone had spiked my Buckfast and I had double vision!
Stephen Jones
18 Posted 14/08/2013 at 18:27:50
Saw the title and thought "Great", another retro piece about winning championships, couldn't wait to add my memories about that day in May 87 then saw the comments......I'll get me coat.
Sam Hoare
19 Posted 14/08/2013 at 18:28:37
Is it just me but don't the vast majority of football teams leading by just one goal often retreat and get a bit nervy in the last ten minutes? Seem to remember watching Man U do the same in a cup game to some lower league opposition a year or so back.
James Hughes
20 Posted 14/08/2013 at 18:23:50
I would really like us to stop the comparisons. If RM does badly, he will be out quickly, just like Walker (who we took from Norwich).

I am glad lemon face has gone, the tipping point for me being Stoke (H) 2011-12. Huth scores in 18th minute, game over. Thankfully I watched the game from home, via a link thanks to TW, so did not have a 4 hour journey home.

I have been a bluenose for 40 years now and seen managers come and go, I would thank Moyes for the stability he provided; that's all. 11 years he had with us!! The rest has been said already, so here's to Manure.

Final note from me: love Norwich for imploding (was it 95?) after Xmas, losing nearly every game and we stayed up.

Colin Glassar
21 Posted 14/08/2013 at 18:42:33
Stephen Jones, read 'Memory lane - Match 1. A brilliant piece of nostalgia.
Tony Marsh
22 Posted 14/08/2013 at 18:56:42
Sam @107:

You're right, Sam, other teams do sit back and defend games but we used to do it every game regardless of being home or away or who the opposition was.

I don't think Man Utd would sit back at Norwich, they would try to put game to bed... Oh, wait a minute, hasn't the other fella just gone to Old Trafford? Forget the last sentence, mate.

Paul Andrews
23 Posted 14/08/2013 at 19:20:01
Sam Hoare,

The problem is when teams do it with 20-30 minutes left.
Or at half time,as we did in the semi v Liverpool.

Mark Frere
24 Posted 14/08/2013 at 19:10:37
The Norwich game actually encapsulated everything what was wrong with our board. The defeat came after a frustrating Transfer window where we were crying out for new additions to freshen up our injury plagued and wafer thin squad. My hatred of BK and his cronies reached new heights after that game.

There's no doubt, this game at Carrow Road is going to be tricky, they've got a decent top 10 squad at their disposal. Iv'e been really impressed with their activity in the transfer market, the signings of Fer and Redmond for a combined Fee of 7 million look like the bargains of this transfer window so far

Raymond Fox
25 Posted 14/08/2013 at 19:36:17
Have to disagree to some extent with the description 'going on the defensive when you go a goal up'.

What happens very often is the losing side have nothing to lose by going on the all out attack and consequently drive the other side back wether the want to or not!
Of course some teams when they lead, do go on the defensive and I also think that attack is the best form of defense if you can continue.

Dave Arrow
26 Posted 14/08/2013 at 20:15:26
Mark (119)
I don't think the board did a lot different last January than they have for most transfer windows. They kept their heads down and hoped OFM didn't ask for any money. The difference this time was Moyes knew he was off and didn't really look to strengthen when top 4 was begging.

We made it easy for teams to attack us when we were a goal up because we generally surrendered territory by dropping deep and cheaply lost possession by hitting it long. Good teams defending a lead can suck teams on and hit them on the break. We neither had the pace nor tactical guile to do either. Which is why I'm looking forward to seeing Martinez coach essentially the same players in a different way of playing.

Dennis Stevens
27 Posted 14/08/2013 at 20:43:09
It may not specifically applicable to you Tony J, but it does seem that after 11 years when often the response to criticism of Moyes was to refer back to his predecessor, it's often the same people saying we should move on & not look back - comparisons are irrelevant! Perhaps they fear the Moyesiah will be found wanting in comparison to Martinez - if so I can only hope their fears are proven to be valid as a result of Martinez's great success at Everton. Every manager has his own challenges to deal with & all are ultimately judged on results & even that perspective can be altered over time - taking Moyes as an example he now appears to have delivered consistent top ten finishes for most of his tenure, but if he left half way through his 11 season stint he would have looked like a bit of a yo-yo manager. I hope Martinez can perform well enough to earn the time to develop as he wishes to & be judged over a good few seasons in the role.
Declan Brown
28 Posted 14/08/2013 at 20:49:24
Been a reader of toffeeWeb for many years, but forgive me guys, i've missed something, what does OFM stand for (I'm assuming M = Moyes).

As for Carrow Road and the past, I remember Van Den Hauwe's goal in 1987 after 43 seconds or something like that, then having to wait a whole game to have us confirmed as Champions!!! A great day.

Let's not get on Martinez's case so early on, give him a chance.

Anyone see Moyes' defeatist talk about Scotland being lucky to go one up on ITV tonight and how it was unexpected etc. Still think he won't last 2 full years at Old Trafford. But he's their problem now, let them worry about him.

Roberto is our main man and i'm looking forward to his time with us and i'm happy we got him. He'll be like a breath of fresh air around Goodison, I love his positivity and passion for the game.

Ross Edwards
29 Posted 14/08/2013 at 21:17:06
This OFM thing is really irritating me. If you're going to mention him, mention him by name, not in an acronym.
Mark Frere
30 Posted 14/08/2013 at 20:54:57

Last season we had a genuine chance of finishing top 4, early doors we were playing some outstanding football and creating lots of chances. By the time January came along we had injury problems, certain players had lost their good early season form as well.

If there was ever a time when we needed our board to back our manager it was January 2013.

Its all speculation weather Moyes really knew he was off, no one will ever know the truth for certain. What is for certain is - we needed our board to invest in our playing squad to at least give us a chance of getting to the CL promise land.

Lets not forget the Fer fiasco, my guess is we failed to sell one of our own players, so that meant we didn't have the money to buy Fer. In the end BK created this cock and bull story about him having a dodgy knee, then he tried to get Fer on the cheap which FC twente was having none of.

I'm sick of people putting so much blame for our failings on Moyes. People should look alot more closely at our shambles of a board. Martinez will now have to endure the same fate as OFM did - without adequate backing - we will always find it hard to stay in touch with the big SKY, money clubs

Dave Arrow
31 Posted 14/08/2013 at 21:08:38
Declan 135,
It,s our former manager.

Yep, I was in their main stand for the championship winning game. It was Bank Holiday Monday and Pat VDH scored with a header after 2 minutes.

There are very few players in the 2013 team that would get anywhere near that 87 team but I reckon Bainsey would sneak in ahead of Psycho Pat. It would ruin the song though!

Ross Edwards
32 Posted 14/08/2013 at 21:26:30
It's Moyes Mark, NOT OFM!!!
Mark Frere
33 Posted 14/08/2013 at 21:29:20
Sorry Ross, I'm not the only guilty party
Ian Bennett
34 Posted 14/08/2013 at 21:33:27
I thought it was old fucka Moyes when I first saw it.
Dave Arrow
35 Posted 14/08/2013 at 21:22:22
For it to work effectively the board needs to work closely with the manager. They give him the budget and the manager identifies the players. I know it!s conjecture and said with the benefit of hindsight but I don't think OFM had any intention of bringing anyone in on the basis that he would be off at the end of the season.

We'll never fully know if Moyes had players he wanted to bring in but the board didn't back him.

What we do know is that Moyes has gone but the board is still here so Martinez will be working with one hand tied behind his back.

Ross Edwards
36 Posted 14/08/2013 at 21:38:02
I know Mark, don't worry. I'm not targeting you. It's just that everyone ignores me.
Dave Arrow
37 Posted 14/08/2013 at 21:35:53
Both terms are correct. Moyes is our former manager so no big deal by judiciously using the occasion acronym.

It's a bit like gratuitous use of capitals. Not really material to the discussion.

Ross Edwards
38 Posted 14/08/2013 at 21:41:25
Howard Kendall was our former manager 3 times but we don't call him OFM3 do we?
Mark Frere
39 Posted 14/08/2013 at 21:37:29

I'm not trying to be argumentative, but I think there was real intent by ourselves when trying to sign Fer. The board, not for the first time and probably not the last time, let us down big time.

Kevin Tully
40 Posted 14/08/2013 at 21:41:49
Ross - does OFM get on your nerves because of his KITAHTKO. The MOB used to get on my nerves, but now I'm LMAO because IMWT and there are MILF's everywhere here!
Ross Edwards
41 Posted 14/08/2013 at 21:52:20
Andrew James
42 Posted 14/08/2013 at 21:44:21
OFM could get confusing. OFM won the 1987 league title. OFM bought Gazza. OFM sold Alan Ball.

Anyway...the retreating really used to bug me especially at a 1-0. I watched us at Fulham last season and we mostly played like the home team. The suddenly, with 10 to go, it was like an alarm went off and the midfield and defence dropped back thus leaving a couple of runners (Naismith being one) as a completely useless outlet.

Fulham gladly filled the space we had granted them, their defenders pushing so far up that we were outnumbered and suddenly we were under huge pressure and they equalised and we lost a soft 2 points.

I won't miss that sense of self-fulfilling-prophecy tactics...

Dennis Stevens
43 Posted 14/08/2013 at 21:55:04
Dave Arrow
44 Posted 14/08/2013 at 21:48:37
Not taken as such. I agree that the whole Fer fiasco reflected badly on us as a club. No wonder FC Twente weren't inclined to sell to us in the summer or that the player had no inclination to join us after the way he was treated.

No, because we're not comparing HK to our current manager.

Mark Frere
45 Posted 14/08/2013 at 21:55:40
I got the Mothers I'd like to fuck part of Kevins post
Ross Edwards
46 Posted 14/08/2013 at 21:59:47
Mark- What?
Kevin Tully
47 Posted 14/08/2013 at 22:08:11
BTW - IMHO I thought L.B was MOTM tonight TBH. COYB!
Ross Edwards
48 Posted 14/08/2013 at 22:10:50
Lets hope he's Man of the Match on Saturday.
Phil Sammon
49 Posted 14/08/2013 at 22:14:30

Is that the soya based milk people are putting on cereal these days? Just another fad if you ask me.

Jamie Barlow
50 Posted 14/08/2013 at 22:22:02
Baines didn't see enough of the ball to be man of the match tonight. He didn't put a foot wrong though and put a great corner in for Lamberts header. Plenty of time he gets into loads of space but seems to be ignored. I also notice how we only started to play good football once the thug went off.
Colin Glassar
51 Posted 14/08/2013 at 22:27:08
Bainsey was getting really pissed off first half especially with Wilshere who always ignores him. Second half he was brilliant.
Raymond Fox
52 Posted 14/08/2013 at 22:16:45
If you managed Man.City's squad, you could be a useless manager and still win the Prem!
Neil Verdin
53 Posted 15/08/2013 at 00:30:34
Paul Andrews 116 what a crock of shite! The usual rewriting of history on this site you have the pleasure of my last ever comment! Tactics in that semi were spot on - we were in complete control until one if our most consistent and excellent players made a crazy error! They could have played until Xmas and not scored if he put the ball out instead of passing back!!! And before everyone starts slagging this post - ask any red how confident they were of getting back in the game before Sylvain's error - which can happen to anyone btw!
Eric Myles
54 Posted 15/08/2013 at 06:04:19
Mark #151, and when that happened yet again who would blame OFM for saying 'fcuk this for a game of soldiers, I ain't signing on for any more of this crap' (but in a Scottish accent).
Paul Andrews
55 Posted 15/08/2013 at 06:32:20
Neil Verdin,

With cock eyed observations like that thank goodness that is your last ever comment.
The manager,as usual,shit himself and had us defending the 1-0 lead.
Liverpool were all over the place and if we went for the killer second goal I have no doubt we would have got it.
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Tony J Williams
56 Posted 15/08/2013 at 12:28:36
Paul, he actually has a point. The redshite I was watching the match with said the same thing to me before Distin's moment of madness.

They were all saying the same, they could play all day without scoring. Stupid error and the whole face of the game changed.

Also, going back a bit, No 146, what a daft thing to say. If Moyes actually had any authority on budget and contracts, why would he give a toss if he was off? He could try and buy anyone he wanted with no comeback, no worries about debts and scrimping for loans.

Kev Johnson
57 Posted 15/08/2013 at 12:42:19
That's not what I recall, Tony. We bossed it until half time but afterwards we offered nothing going forward and handed the initiative to them. It was just a question of time until they equalised and went on to win. Similar to the cup final against Chelsea in a way, except we scored earlier and sat back quicker!
Andrew Ellams
58 Posted 15/08/2013 at 12:45:07
Both sides were appalling in the semi final at Wembley. It took 3 defensive shockers for anybody to get even close to scoring
Colin Glassar
59 Posted 15/08/2013 at 12:47:27
Spot on Kev. The team that came out in the second half looked drained and nervous. We didn't come out to kill the game off but to defend a one goal advantage. Something that was the norm under OFM.
Dave Arrow
60 Posted 15/08/2013 at 13:01:05
I watched it with 30 odd thousand Evertonians in the ground and Im afraid youre way off the mark. The TV clearly does strange things.

It was Moyes to a T not helped by experienced players bottling it. 1-0 up and needing a second goal to kill off the worst RS team in 50 years we got jittery and started to get deeper and deeper. Distins back-pass was an aberration but the general mind-set in the second half summed up our approach in the big games under Moyes.

It was that game coming after the away derby capitulation that did it for me with Moyes.

Also, in answer to your other point, whatever I may think about his last couple of seasons I have Moyes down as an honourable guy. There is no way he would bring anyone in to the club and sell them his vision in January and off his pop in the summer. Which is the reason I believe he didnt bring anyone in during the January window because he was already gone. It didnt help us because with a bit of strengthening 4th was there for the taking .

James Stewart
61 Posted 15/08/2013 at 13:29:28
Norwich are a different beast from last season. They have a genuine goal threat now in Hooper & Wolfswinkel. A lot of people would say they are better than Jelavic & Kone. Plus they have added Fer so their business has been better than ours in my opinion
Kev Johnson
62 Posted 15/08/2013 at 13:35:17
Fer's suspended and Hooper is injured, James. As for the Dutchman, I don't think a wolf's winkel is as impressive as it sounds!

Jon Ferguson
63 Posted 15/08/2013 at 14:10:40
I think Norwich will have a good season this year. I reckon them and Southampton will be top 10 , with a bit of luck a crack at the Europa.

On Saturday though they are missing Hooper and Fer, Redmond and V. Wolfswinkle have not had long with the rest of the squad (and never played in the prem) plus their defence still isn't great. I expect Martinez's first 3 points.

Coleman Jags Distin Baines
Gibson Fellaini
Mirallas Barkley Peinaar

(Osman to start if Gibson can't make it, Kone and Deulofeu feature from the bench).

The entire starting 11 were there last season, but it is a good team. I reckon our signings will start to feature more as the season goes on.


Jackie Barry
64 Posted 15/08/2013 at 14:22:19
I don't think Hooper and Wolfwinkel will get more goals than Jelavic and Kone. I think the Winkel will find it very difficult in the Premier League, but we will see.
As for Fer was he really that good any way? I think it's more to do with how our attempt at signing him went. I would rather have McCarthy in all honesty, he's a better all round player in my eyes, though I wouldn't pay 15 million for him! Our midfield would be pretty good if no one left and we brought him in, not likely I know but, nah wont happen.
Jackie Barry
65 Posted 15/08/2013 at 14:28:08
I expect Mirallas to be on fire this season and terrify their defence!
Andrew Ellams
66 Posted 15/08/2013 at 14:48:21
Norwich's new signings are all young and part of a long term strategy. Although I expect them to improve on last year overall they may struggle to get it right initially.
Sam Morrison
67 Posted 15/08/2013 at 16:31:17
I've missed this development, can someone explain the OFM thing to me please?
Patrick Murphy
68 Posted 15/08/2013 at 16:37:13
Overtly Financial Mess
Optimistic Fans' Missing
Our Future's Massive
Our Former Manager
Outrageously Fortunate Monkey's
Operating For Malcontents

Take your pick Sam the answer is Our Former Manager.

Sam Morrison
69 Posted 15/08/2013 at 16:45:08
thanks Patrick

a bit like Prince then?

Gavin Fennessy
70 Posted 16/08/2013 at 09:38:43
Yeah Sam. Remember his classic - "Sign och the times?"
Iain Johnston
71 Posted 16/08/2013 at 18:13:11
If we take the Fer fiasco into consideration, Moyes was allegedly happy to pay 8m for him. Twice what Norwich have paid..

Hows this for a conspiracy theory?. Moyes wanted Fer, happy to waste 4m of our money knowing he was leaving so he could get Fellaini on the cheap after July 31st?

Ray Roche
72 Posted 16/08/2013 at 18:24:30
Iain, I thought he went for an undisclosed fee? Where do you get 4m from?
Matt Traynor
73 Posted 16/08/2013 at 18:29:26
Ray #735, although undisclosed, more than one source put the fee at 4m. A bit like Downing's move to West Ham. Undisclosed, but widely quoted as 5m.

Hahahahahaha. Another 15m down the toilet. They waste more on one player than we spend in a season.

Ray Roche
74 Posted 16/08/2013 at 22:37:59
Thanks, Matt, they've squandered some money on donkeys that shower...
Dominic Tonge
75 Posted 17/08/2013 at 01:40:26
Gutted. I thought this would be like a Norwich version of Guess Who? Harder though, because they all look vaguely similar as is the case when a place is essentially what happens when cousins marry.
Jay Harris
76 Posted 17/08/2013 at 19:38:21
Our reported 8 million bid was reputedly 2 million down and two West End theatre tickets for the next 20 years...

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