Whenever the pub talk among Everton fans turns to naming the clubs worst ever XI, there always seems to be one position that is particularly well stocked.

Yes, there have been plenty of strikers who have graced Goodison Park without the ability to hit the proverbial barndoor, while nobody likes to revisit the efforts of Alex Nyarko, Claus Thomsen or Mike Milligan in midfield... but it is at right back that Everton have really excelled at collecting players who frustrated the life out of home supporters.

The irritation at so many average incumbents of the position was perhaps exacerbated by the fact that supporters of a particular generation had enjoyed watching one of the finest right backs of his time during the ’80s. Gary Stevenss partnership on the right flank with Trevor Steven was feared in a way that the Baines-Pienaar pairing is today... but Stevenss departure for Rangers in 1988 signalled a sharp downturn in the quality of right back at Goodison. Neil McDonald was signed to replace Stevens but his slow, plodding movements were the very antithesis of Stevenss dynamic play.

Through the ’90s the situation got worse. Paul Holmes, Earl Barrett, Marc Hottiger, Tony Thomas and Mitch Ward all staked their claim for places in future Everton Worst XIs and were so bad that, when Tony Hibbert and Phil Neville came along in the ’00s, their solid but unspectacular displays seemed a blessed relief.

But then along came a young Irishman who changed all that.

Seamus Coleman first really made his mark for Everton against Sundays opponents, Spurs, back in December 2009. A first-half substitute for the injured Joseph Yobo, Colemans buccaneering runs down the right flank helped create both goals as Everton came from two behind to earn a 2-2 draw.

Those sort of runs have now become common place as Coleman has played every minute of Evertons nine league games this season but the journey to becoming first-choice right back since that day against Spurs hasnt always been an easy one.

Despite his impact against the Londoners, Coleman featured in just one more Premier League that season and finished off the campaign on loan to Blackpool in the Championship. He did, however, prove to be star for Ian Holloways team and played a key role as the club were promoted to the Premier League for the first time thanks to a play-off final win over Cardiff City.

Used at right back by Holloway, Coleman picked up from the form shown in the Championship and became a regular for Everton during the 2010-11 season, even though David Moyes elected to use him on the right side of midfield. The decision to use Coleman in an advanced position and free of the defensive responsibilities expected of a right back proved to be a masterstoke from the manager as the youngster found his way in the world of the Premier League.

Coleman played in 31 games in the Premier League that season, 25 as a starter, and his form was such that he was nominated for the young player of the year award and also received his first senior international cap during the season. His fearless and direct style of play meant that the Goodison faithful took the Donegal man to their hearts but that relationship soured a little during the following season.

A pre-season injury didnt help his cause but even during his 18 Premier League appearances he seemed to struggling and general feeling among Everton fans was that Coleman was beginning to be found out during his second season in the league. The goals dried up he had scored four in his first full season in the Premier League but none in the second and mistakes were starting to creep into his game. His season hit a low when after a late introduction at Wembley during the FA Cup semi-final against Liverpool, what was fast becoming a typical rash challenge led to the free kick from which Andy Carroll headed home the winning goal. Not something that Evertonians were likely to forget in a hurry.

Evertons marauding right winger had been replaced by somebody who seemed wracked with self-doubt and heading into the 2012-13 season, Colemans career was at a crossroads.

An injury to Tony Hibbert saw Coleman get his first extended run at his preferred right-back position but initially with mixed results. A brilliant run and cross to set up a goal for Nikica Jelavic during a 3-1 win over Southampton hinted at what he could do going forward but there were still question marks over his defensive ability.

A year ago to the day before Sundays clash against Spurs, Coleman was blamed for Steve Sidwells late equaliser as Everton threw away two points in a game they dominated against Fulham, and then, a few weeks later, another clumsy challenge led to a late winning penalty for Reading. That was to be the low point of Colemans Everton career as he was subjected to a disgusting barrage of abuse on Twitter but, by now, even the most polite Everton fan had him firmly in the good going forward but a liability at the back category.

A moment like that could have broken a person of lesser will but what has happened since then has been simply remarkable as Coleman has turned into one of the most consistent performers in the league; indeed, only Aaron Ramsey could rival him as the most improved player in the division over the last 12 months.

Following the penalty that cost Everton a point at Reading, Coleman sat out the next three games due to injury but was back in the team when Spurs, a team that Coleman always seems to do well against, were the visitors to Goodison Park at the beginning of last December. The Toffees trailed 1-0 as the game entered the final minute but a Coleman assist and a dramatic late winner from Jelavic not only turned the game around but also changed the fortunes of Coleman.

Over the remainder of the season, Colemans defensive prowess improved beyond recognition and he offered as much of an attacking threat on the right as the brilliant Leighton Baines did on the left.

Colemans progress has continued in an upward trajectory since Roberto Martinez has replaced David Moyes in the Goodision Park dugout. Like most of his teammates, he has revelled in the new-found possession game under the Spaniard and his pass-completion rate has jumped from 80.5% last season to 86.2% this term; even he is making on average almost 10 more passes a game.

The growing confidence that Coleman now has can be seen by the number of successful dribbles a game he is now completing. He has managed 2.1 successful dribbles per game this season compared to 1.0 a game last season and they arent the only areas in which he has improved under Martinez. This season, he has made more key passes, had more shots, has been successfully dispossessed less than last year, and his defensive stats are also improving. He has made more clearances per game and, in a crucial stat for a full back, has been dribbled past by an opposing player on fewer occasions.

Unfortunately, Colemans lack of games in 2011-12 means that his stats are unavailable for that season on the excellent whoscored.com website but from the stats available, his improvements are clear.

2009/10 2010/11 2011/12 2012/13 2013/14
Apps 0(3) 25(9) 14(4) 24(2) 9
Goals 0 4 0 0 1
Assists 1 5 1
Yellow 4 4 1
Red 1
Shots Per Game 1.2 0.4 0.9
Average Passess Per Game 19.8 29.2 38.8
Key Passess Per Game 0.7 1 1.4
Pass Success Percentage 78.20% 80.50% 86.20%
Dispossessed By Opponent Per Game 1.8 1.1 0.9
Successful Tackles Per Game 1.6 2.4 2.1
Successful Interceptions Per Game 0.4 1.9 1.3
Successful Clearances Per Game 0.7 2.3 2.7
Successfully Dribbled Past By Opponent 0.4 0.2 0.4
Successful Dribbles Per Game 1.3 1 2.1
Turnovers Per Game 1.6 1 0.3
Successful Crosses Per Game 0.4 0.9 1.1
Successful Long Passes Per Game 0.6 1.2 1.2

During the last 12 months, he has also established himself as Irelands number one Number Two and recently captained his country for the first time when they travelled to Germany for a World Cup qualifier.

Coleman has had numerous ups and downs during his time at Goodison Park but despite a couple of unfortunate penalty decisions that have gone against him this season, he is now firmly ensconced as Evertons best right back since the late 80s.

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Terry Murphy
1 Posted 01/11/2013 at 23:07:52
Totally agree. People go on about Tim Cahill being OFM's best bargain basement signing, but penny for penny Coleman has to be the league's greatest ever signing... please someone tell me if I'm wrong here?
Mick Davies
2 Posted 01/11/2013 at 22:59:29
Excellent article with the stats as empirical proof of the young man's ongoing improvement. He was one of our standout players last season but because the quality of our squad has improved exponentially, his contribution has been overlooked possibly taken as a downturn by some, dazzled by the teams performances.

I agree that he has been the best RB since the 80s and with possibly another 10 years football to go, I hope he succeeds in becoming an Everton legend like Stevens and Tommy Wright, along with a similar amount of trophies to his name

Barry Rathbone
3 Posted 01/11/2013 at 23:20:07
Came in like a house on fire arguably the most direct attacking player we had then bang!!.... consigned to the stiffs.

If memory serves he only got back in because of injury to Hibbo I suspect he might be back in Ireland otherwise.

The poor kid appeared decimated when binned and the odd chance he got he was slagged off rotten on here.

Good to see he made it - well done Seamus.

Noel Early
4 Posted 02/11/2013 at 00:13:59
I totally agree, Barry, he would be back here in Ireland by now only for injuries to Neville and Hibbert. Drove me nuts when Moyes played him right wing... He's still prone to the odd rash challenge in the box but I think he has been the most impressive right back in the Premier League this season.
Ian Tunstead
5 Posted 02/11/2013 at 00:06:36
Excellent write-up, although I'm not sure about giving Martinez the credit for his early performances as it is still early days and a player of his age and still relatively new to the top flight is always likely to improve with experience and confidence. Just like we have saw with the continual progress of Baines each season since his arrival from Wigan. I am so happy for the lad who has shown what having a good attitude and work ethic can do for your career.

I still remember the shame and embarrassment I felt from Evertonians when he gave the late penalty away against Reading. The abuse he received was a disgrace, that abuse might have destroyed weaker minded players, thankfully others gave him some encouragement and he was able to come through and used it to make himself stronger. The short sightedness of some fans was also an embarrassment, writing such a young inexperienced player off because of a couple of mistakes, forgetting other players like Baines, Pienaar, Jaggs and Arteta had all took some time to settle into life at Everton.

He is definitely one of Moyes best buys and still nowhere near his prime. If his improvement continues at the same rate like Baines then in another 3 or 4 years we could have another world class full back, he just needs to get practising his free kicks. I think Coleman, 60k Nigel Martyn, 500k and Marcus Bent 600k are three of Moyes's best but least praised signings.

Ernie Baywood
6 Posted 02/11/2013 at 00:57:31
Cracking write up. Always liked his attitude but the ability is catching up. The best thing about him is that his potential is unlimited. He doesn't seem to fear or defer to anyone. Remember him berating Neville? Getting pissed off with Cahill for a cocky celebration after a Derby goal? Lots of players play within themselves for fear of making mistakes... Seamus just has a go and learns from them.

If I could pick one player to really succeed it would be him. Seems really humble and appreciative of his fortunes off the pitch too.

Mick Davies
7 Posted 02/11/2013 at 01:09:12
Great to read in the Echo that Coleman and Baines attended the funeral of 10-year-old Evertonian James Greenopp. Tragic end to a young life but a typical gesture from two young men representing the proudest club in the world
Mike Gaynes
8 Posted 02/11/2013 at 01:09:43
Curious timing on this article, since the Villa game was Coleman's worst defensive performance in over a year.

"Best right back since the late '80's"? Sorry, I don't agree, at least not yet. He's certainly the best ATTACKING right back we've had in decades, but what we saw last weekend was a return to the bad habits that crippled his defending when he first came to Everton -- ballwatching, poor marking, poor positioning -- which don't show up in the statistics. Benteke literally waltzed past him three times in the first half, and he played Wiemann onside with his inattention.

Coleman has clearly worked very hard on his defense, and I give Moyes and his staff significant credit for Coleman's obvious improvement over the past year. But the young man isn't quite there yet, and I still consider Hibbert the best Everton right back I've seen in the past 25 years.

Mick Davies
9 Posted 02/11/2013 at 01:32:35
"Hibbert the best right back in 25 years"? Is this a wind up? He is the worst defender I've seen since Darracott. Slow, unaware of danger until it's too late, sloppy tackles which always left him on the floor, useless in aerial duels and constantly gave away pens and dangerous free kicks in dangerous areas; a lot of these proved costly, near the end of games when we we're under pressure.

Neville was a huge improvement but Moyes preferred him in midfield, where he was ineffective. Watson was a decent RB but again, Moyes preferred square pegs in round holes, even playing him as a striker!!! And probably the best RB we've had in the last decade was Jacobsen. When Hibbert was hooked at half-time in the FA Cup Final after being ragged by Malouda for 45 mins. Jacobsen showed his class by shackling him so well, he was replaced himself, but sadly the damage had already been done. A lot of Blues expected Jacobsen's loan to turn permanent in the summer but Moyes told him he wouldn't be 1st choice; preferring his pet.

If, like me Mike Gaynes you have some DVDs of our previous campaigns, watch them thoroughly and spot your hero's ineffective "Kung-fu" kick defending. He was as useful as an ashtray on a parachute.

Mike Gaynes
10 Posted 02/11/2013 at 01:54:33
Jacobsen? Lars "five appearances and goodbye" Jacobsen? The same Jacobsen who subsequently failed miserably at Blackburn and West Ham and was unceremoniously dumped back in Denmark? Mick, I think the wind-up is coming from your direction.

Yes, Hibbo was guilty of all those offenses early in his career. But over his last four seasons as a starter, he was virtually unbeatable -- positionally immaculate, secure in the tackle and absolutely worry-free. Granted, his crosses and dribbles were often downright hilarious, but at his best he was the safest right back in the Prem.

And the Cup mention is way below the belt. Hibbert was playing still hurt after an injury layoff.. didn't really belong on the pitch... and was further hamstrung by the bullshit yellow card.

Matt Williams
11 Posted 02/11/2013 at 08:46:08
Great article on our current right back. I've got to hold my hands up, I was one of those fans who thought he was a one-season wonder. I never slagged the lad off publicly but I seriously doubted he would ever make a Premier League player. I am very glad to be proved wrong.

I've got to agree with Mike Gaynes, I thought Hibbert was a great righr-back. I had a particular soft spot for him mainly because he is a local lad but also I felt sorry for him because he used to get so much abuse.

I've also got to agree we have a had some appalling right-backs in the last 20 years, which is the polar opposite to the left back position, a position where we have had some exceptional talent. One player left off the list of right back donkeys was John O'Kane. Anybody remember him? He was as bad a player you could imagine in a blue shirt.

Stephen Brown
12 Posted 02/11/2013 at 09:04:47
Admittedly I was young at the time but always thought Matt Jackson had a lot of potential and eventually did a decent job at RB. I was about 10 though and thought every Everton player was awesome ! On Seamus Coleman he is certainly turning into a quality RB and represents the club with dignity ! Keep it up lad !
Marcus Choo
13 Posted 02/11/2013 at 09:48:36
I'll go as far to say that Seamus is catching up with Baines as a good attacking outlet. Each time I've watched Everton play this season, he's been one of our most direct and effective goal threats. IMO he's certainly improved mentally in daring to take on players rather than opting for safer back/sideway's passes...

Keep it up Seamus.

Craig Fletcher
14 Posted 02/11/2013 at 09:51:04
Agreed Mike. Mick - surely you must be taking the piss with the Jacobsen call..... he was a useful (at best) stand-in for the season he was with us if memory serves, but that was about it.
Andrew James
15 Posted 02/11/2013 at 10:37:05
I really like Seamus but by claiming he's the best we've had for 25 years is a dis-service to Hibbert. Yes, if Seamus keeps his form up for a couple more seasons he will deserve that accolade but Hibbert was Mr Reliable for 5 seasons.

Under Moyes we often had to rely on 1-0's with lots of defending. Hibbert was an ever present throughout that period. I recall one game he kept Ronaldo at his pomp quiet. Neville was an ok right back but lacked Hibbert's pace.

The FA Cup final was a tragedy for a life long Evertonian. He gets unfairly booked early doors against a diving winger in the form of his life and has to walk on eggshells. I would have actually kept him on the field because he had earned the right but Moyes bottled it.

Jacobsen? My word. For me that comparison is akin to saying Segundo Castillo was better than Lee Carsley!!!

Phil Walling
16 Posted 02/11/2013 at 11:04:30
Delighted to admit I was wrong about the lad and, rather like Moyes, focussed on his mistakes rather than his overall game. I just hope that Barkley doesn't suffer the same treatment although I think this manager is made of sterner stuff.
Mark Frere
17 Posted 02/11/2013 at 11:03:59
There's no doubt Coleman is the best RB we've had for 25 years, it shouldn't even be up for debate. Its astounding the amount of dross we've had playing at RB since Gary Stevens. Finally we have top RB in Coleman, who has everything you could wish for in a modern day fullback. He gets forward, he dribbles past players and links up well with the right winger. His crossing and delivery will probably never be as good as Baines but that's comparing him with one of the worlds greatest fullbacks. He is prone to the odd defensive blunder but its not very often, on the whole his defending has been quite solid.

To say Hibbert is our best RB for 25 years is insulting to Coleman. Modern day fullbacks are expected to do much more than defend and watching Hibbert over the years going forward has been an absolute joke.

Neil Steele
18 Posted 02/11/2013 at 15:31:10
Brilliant piece on a brilliant player, top stuff Ger!
Mike Gaynes
19 Posted 02/11/2013 at 15:20:29
"No doubt" about Coleman, Mark? After half a season as our starting right back?

I guess I'm just an old fart, but I still believe that while today's fullbacks do have major attacking responsibilities, a defender's first job is to defend, and nobody did that better for us than Hibbert.

As for the comparison being "insulting" to Coleman... I would bet my mortgage that after 21 games as a starter (he took over the job against Norwich in February), Coleman would be flattered, not insulted, to be compared to a club legend with 300 appearances.

Ross Edwards
20 Posted 02/11/2013 at 15:50:46
Lets not get too excited Mark.
Mark Frere
21 Posted 02/11/2013 at 15:56:06
Mike,

Coleman can defend though, it hasn't come easy to him but he's progressively got better over time and he's actually become a decent defender.

Baines isn't as good as Hibbert at defending but like Coleman he is decent at defending but offers so much more going forward than Hibbert. Just being a good defender nowadays doesn't cut it at fullback.

Ross - Do you think I am inaccurate in anything I said about Coleman?

Why am I getting carried away?

Ross Edwards
22 Posted 02/11/2013 at 16:10:22
He's 21 Mark, and saying he's our best right back for 25 years is a bit premature isn't it?

That's like saying that Ross Barkley is the best midfielder we've had since Kevin Sheedy.

Mark Frere
23 Posted 02/11/2013 at 16:16:02
Ross. He's not 21, he's 24. It would premature if we were talking about any other position, but our right backs have been absolutely shocking after the days of Stevens. Perhaps you can name a better RB than Coleman?
Mike Gaynes
24 Posted 02/11/2013 at 16:14:59
Mark, nobody's arguing Coleman's abilities or steady improvement. But less than a year ago he was our FOURTH choice right back behind Hibbo, Pip and even Jags. And he didn't even win the job... he was handed it because Moyes literally had nobody else healthy.

Coleman has come a long way since then, and personally I have no doubt that within a couple of years, if he stays here and stays healthy, he will be exactly what you and Ger say he is.

I'm just saying that 21 games is way, way too early to crown him as our best. Especially after the Villa.game.

Ross Edwards
25 Posted 02/11/2013 at 16:25:07
In the Premier League Mark or that we've had? You didn't make that clear.
Mark Frere
26 Posted 02/11/2013 at 16:26:46
What we've had Ross.
Mike Gaynes
27 Posted 02/11/2013 at 16:24:44
And Mark, just as an aside, Baines is much, much better than a "decent" defender. He's positionally immaculate, always takes the perfect angle to the ball, never gets caught with his head turned like Coleman, and wins his fair share of the ball without overcommitting. Yes, he's a bit soft, but being ferocious in the tackle isn't considered as important these days.
Ross Edwards
28 Posted 02/11/2013 at 16:33:33
Now you see Mark, that's difficult. You can't really compare Stevens to the likes of Hibbert, Coleman etc because they have all played in different eras.

As Mike said, 2 years ago, he was playing on loan at Blackpool, nowhere near the first team, he got a lucky break and has taken it.

We cannot possibly know who is better than who, it's like comparing Messi to Pele, totally different eras, players and tactics.

It's impossible to compare really, that's why I said your claim was premature.

I think defensively, he still has a lot of work to do, he has looked very shaky in recent games.

Gavin Ramejkis
29 Posted 02/11/2013 at 17:44:12
I think its hard to compare Coleman to Hibbert and other players for far more obvious reasons; Hibbert is and always was an old fashioned right back not a wing back, Hibbert did a job going forward but was never going to develop into a wing back because thats not his strength and he's not had a half decent let alone decent right winger in front of him for donkeys years. My own personal view was that defensively as a right back Hibbert was better than Neville, Neville pipped him slightly going up the pitch.

With Coleman we have more of a wing back who can charge forwards, he's a bit one trick pony running direct at times rather than tricky footwork but it works for him so no complaints, defensively which was his weakness tracking back as he's played more games he has strengthened that side of his game. He has improved through playing and making mistakes but thats how you learn, you won't learn from catching splinters up your backside and watching from the touchline or watching videos; you have to put the theory into practice.

Dick Fearon
30 Posted 02/11/2013 at 20:21:52
Terry Murphy @ 443, You are wrong.
Trevor Lynes
31 Posted 02/11/2013 at 21:59:12
I agree with the comment on how the game has changed. Initially full-backs were only supposed to defend and give the ball to wing-halves to do the playmaking. That was true for years and extended to semi-pros like myself who were told not to go up-field but remain in my own half.

Parker and Wilson were brilliant defenders and that remained the way the game was played right through until quite recently. The wing-halves and inside forwards were the engine room of teams and I never saw Alex Young tackle anyone!!! Nowadays the game is more about pace and fitness; hard tackling is a forgotten art. Goalkeepers are much better protected and even the kit worn by the players has changed.

It is really difficult to compare today's players with those from earlier generations. I rate Coleman as a quick learning, potentially great right wing-back. Hibbert is definitely a fine defender but lacks the pace and ball control of Coleman, but Hibbo is much more dependable than some of the cart horses mentioned above.

The best two left backs I have seen wearing Everton shirts are Wilson and Baines. Both have pace and Baines is better going forward but Wilson was a better defender. My best right full-backs would include Alex Parker, Tommy Wright and Coleman. Difficult to choose between any of them.

Terry White
32 Posted 02/11/2013 at 22:51:33
Alex Parker anyone? The supreme right back post-war. Followed by Tommy Wright.
James Stewart
33 Posted 03/11/2013 at 00:08:22
Hibbert and Neville were committed good pro's but ultimately both garbage. Coleman has been a revelation and long may he continue.
Mick Davies
34 Posted 03/11/2013 at 00:20:19
Hibbert is not a footballer, it's an insult to footballers to call him that. Just a slogger with no skill, no pace, no good in the air, couldn't pass, cross or shoot and is the reason why we've been lacking for years defensively, despite having decent CHs and LBs.

I've seen better Sunday Leaguers and I have been watching the blues since my boys pen days, so please, watch season review videos and you'll be amazed how many times he kicks out at crosses with his back turned and loses his man by ball watching; nice guy, terrible player

Andy Crooks
35 Posted 03/11/2013 at 00:52:36
No one championed Seamus Coleman more than I did but praising Seamus by denigrating Tony Hibbert is unfair. Mick #878 your post is unreasonable. Actually.,it's fucking ludicrous.
Gary Poole
36 Posted 03/11/2013 at 01:35:27
Mick Davies - what a load of rubbish. TH has been a great defender for us. I can't actually remember him EVER being beaten by the opposing winger. You are so typical of that brand of Evertonian that, for some reason, likes to slag off our own - Why?

No good in the air - what about when he had to fill in at centre back when we played in eastern Europe a couple of years ago.

To be honest, it's posts like yours that make me despair of football supporters - you should be ashamed (but you won't even have a clue what I'm talking about)

Jamie Crowley
37 Posted 03/11/2013 at 01:31:25
Comparing Coleman and Hibbert is along the lines of apples and oranges. One does not need to slag Hibbo to praise Coleman. They are completely different players altogether.

Coleman is an excellent player. I'd trade him for no one. His work rate is superb. He gets up the wing and attacks beautifully. He's prone to an occasional clumsy challenge but I'll take him in our side any day of the week.

And considering what we paid for him? Please...

Gold.

Paul Ferry
38 Posted 03/11/2013 at 01:46:18
This is utter misinformed BS - Mike Gaynes - 564 ' ... less than a year ago he [Coleman] was our FOURTH choice right back behind Hibbo, Pip and even Jags. And he didn't even win the job... he was handed it because Moyes literally had nobody else healthy'.

This almost makes Jimmy Sorheim's views on Leighton's contract seem legitimate.

Seamus Coleman 78 appearances as right back for Everton in three seasons 2010-13 - with injuries - by far more than any other right back at the club over that stretch of time in that position.

Gotta love the upper case FOURTH. Consistently, Mike Gaynes seemingly speaking you might think from let's call it Everton footie nous is only outclassed in misinformation and lack of understanding by our Norwegian Blue and one or two more.

A far from accurate view of perhaps our most improved player these last two years or so and you can sense Gaynes getting excited when he first posted because it so happened that Seamus had a very rare howler for much of the game at Villa.

Eric Myles
39 Posted 03/11/2013 at 00:52:54
Ian #461, you forgot to finish the sentence "If his improvement continues at the same rate like Baines then in another 3 or 4 years we could have another world class full back," that BK can sell to pay off a loan to a dodgy Cayman Islands company.
Jamie Crowley
40 Posted 03/11/2013 at 01:54:28
Mike Gaynes -

Echoing what Paul said and please mind I'm not picking a fight here...

Coleman being 4th pick at RB - possibly down to OFM's seeming insistence of playing experienced favorites and not giving kids much of a run out? Especially after an "error"?

Coleman not playing as much was more down to the stubborn Gingy. I seem to remember many TWers calling for Coleman to start and being downright pissed when he didn't. I know I preferred Seamus above Pip.

Coleman being 4th on the pecking list wasn't a "Seamus problem" - it was a "Davey problem".

Paul Ferry
41 Posted 03/11/2013 at 02:03:31
There's something in that JC mate but credit Ginger Seamus was last season his first pick right back.

By the way the match tomorrow is on some flakey NBC channel on dire t-tv, 355 or something like that.

Jamie Crowley
43 Posted 03/11/2013 at 02:15:38
Paul -

CNBC - 355. Found it thanks to Michael and Lyndon.

Correct Paul OFM did have Seamus as first pick last season. But it took a while to get there IMO.

At the point in time Mike was referencing I believe Seamus not starting was down to Dithering Dave's selection ways.

No kid events tomorrow morning. Full attention on DTv 355!

Jamie Crowley
44 Posted 03/11/2013 at 02:20:52
oh and btw in the interests of objectivity -

Full credit and enormous heaps of praise to David Moyes for finding an unknown Irish kid and signing him for a mere 60 thousand.

unreal piece of business.

Paul Ferry
45 Posted 03/11/2013 at 02:23:21
Jamie - enjoy tomorrow mate. But Jamie there is no way at all in any shape or form that Seamus was FOURTH pick this time last year, pure 100 per cent silliness.
Peter Warren
46 Posted 03/11/2013 at 07:45:28
Coleman was 4th choice last season until he got his chance I remember the great tactition Moyes playing our best central defender at right back, occasionally switching him for Heitinga as surprise surprise he couldn't make up his mind.
Jim Harrison
48 Posted 03/11/2013 at 09:12:34
Peter 704, can we just get through a thread without some pointless barb at Moyes? A particularly dumb one as he actually signed and played him, Martinez has simply inherited the player.

Until last season he simply did not consistently perform well enough to hold a position down. Hibbert had been a more consistent player and better defensively, he even started to contribute more further up the pitch. So he got injured, and Coleman took his chance with style, cementing his place. Until that point he hadnt done enough, now he undoubtably is doing enough and his recent performance was a rare off day. Good on the lad, long may he be a star in Blue.

Mark Frere
49 Posted 03/11/2013 at 10:01:31
Paul Ferry (686)

There seems to be lots of misinformation going on in this thread just to suit peoples arguments. Mike Gaynes being the biggest guilty party by saying Coleman was fourth choice RB behind Jags, Hibbert and Neville. If my memory serves me correctly, when Hibbert got injured, Jags and Neville were fit but they weren't moved to RB from their respective CM and CB positions to cover Hibbert, Coleman was brought straight in. Mike was just bending the facts to suit his argument.

Ross Edwards also bended the facts of Coleman's age, and when I asked him a simple question about naming a better RB, he came back with some bullshit about different era's. You can bet your bottom dollar, if I asked him the same question about a different position to RB, he would of came back with a whole stack of names.

I also think you are guilty of misinformation Paul, the 78 appearances you refer to were not all played at RB. Coleman started off playing right wing - which in his first season playing there he did okay, but it became increasingly obvious his future position was RB or nowhere.

Dean Adams
50 Posted 03/11/2013 at 11:52:32
A real gem of a player. As his name states, he is Coleman, a real mustard. Top quality lad and has potential to be our best ever right back. He proves that hard work is important in developing into a top class player.
Ross Edwards
51 Posted 03/11/2013 at 17:37:02
"Ross Edwards also bended the facts of Coleman's age"

I got his age wrong. God, this isn't a bleeding Gestapo interrogation Mark.

Have you ever said anything wrong in your life? I can bet my bottom dollar that you have mate.

"I asked him a simple question about naming a better RB, he came back with some bullshit about different eras."

Your question was ridiculous Mark.

I gave it a serious, and correct answer.

Paul Ferry
52 Posted 03/11/2013 at 17:45:39
Ah, true, Mark - 719 - a good number on the wing, yep ........
Paul Ferry
53 Posted 03/11/2013 at 17:47:15
Better than Mike Pejic Dean mate - 737 - 'Coleman, a real mustard. Top quality lad and has potential to be our best ever right back'? Are you sane man? Good old Pejjy got chucked off the Ipswich training staff couple of years back for 'bullying'.
Terry White
54 Posted 03/11/2013 at 22:54:42
Not sure what Paul Ferry is trying to say at #850. Where does Mike Pejic come into this? Since he played left back I don't see how he can enter into a Coleman comparison.
Harold Matthews
55 Posted 05/11/2013 at 00:43:56
Our most improved player with a terrific fighting spirit. Doesn't always have his brain in gear but is an important member of the team.
Mick Davies
56 Posted 06/11/2013 at 21:15:32
Jamie @659' Moyes didn't find Coleman, he was advised by a Celtic scout friend.

As for picking on Everton players, Andy Crooks and Gary Poole, I believe in our motto and if you would just look back at how bad he has been for years, you'll wonder - like I did - how he ever got to play as long as he did. In over a decade, what other club ever shown an interest in him? When was he even hinted at being capped? Is that the type of player our motto refers to?

The right side has been a huge problem for as long as I can remember, but most blues seem to be satisfied with Coleman there now, and our defence had been outstanding for the last 2 or 3 seasons

Roman Sidey
57 Posted 06/11/2013 at 23:07:53
Ernie Baywood, can you expand for me on Seamus getting pissed at Cahill for his cocky derby goal? I never saw it but would love to know more about it as, without losing any time for the bloke, Tim's goal celebrations (rather, getting his team mates out of the way so he could do it) pissed me off more and more every time he did it.

Also, I cannot believe that people - anyone, in the universe - is saying that Hibbert is our best RB in the last 25 years, 15 years, or even five years. I think in all the time I've watched Everton, I can probably remember four or five games where I've thought Hibbo played well. I even remember watching a Uefa Cup game (may have been Europa League by then) when the commentators were practically laughing at him at half-time.

Not sure if Coleman is our best in 25 years either, as I, fortunately missed the '90s, but he was definitely better than Hibbo, Pip, and Krldrup, and has lasted longer than Jacobsen (who I did hope would be our RB saviour). So, at least 10 years.

Mike Gaynes
58 Posted 07/11/2013 at 04:42:29
Mark Frere (719), your memory serves you very poorly.

I haven't "bent" anything. Provable facts. Just read through our lineups last year, as I did. You'll see Hibbo, Pip and even Jags stationed at right back before Coleman finally started getting the call full time in the Norwich game in February. And that only happened when Hibbo, Pip and Heitinga were all unavailable, so Jags had to move back to the middle.

Up until then, Coleman had maybe four starts at right back. He spent most of the season either at right midfield or on the bench.

Bench your memory and try reading.

Mike Gaynes
59 Posted 07/11/2013 at 04:51:54
Jamie (689)... I don't read Paul's posts -- always skip over them and on to the next -- but it's not hard to guess what he wrote.

I guess I shared what you describe as the "Davey problem"... last year I absolutely cringed when I saw Coleman on the team sheet at right back. I thought and frequently wrote here that he was a defensive disaster just waiting to happen. And I was right a few times. So what you saw as Moyes's bias against youth, I saw as a correct assessment that the young man wasn't ready. Guess we were in disagreement back then.

We agree now. As I said earlier in this string, he has clearly come a long, long way since then. He has the potential to be one of our best ever at the position.

Wayne Smyth
60 Posted 07/11/2013 at 17:34:50
Coleman may have been Moyes fourth choice right back; but it doesn't mean he was the fourth best right back at the club.

Moyes needs to take some credit for bringing him to the club and giving him a chance, but it just goes to show that he only sprang to prominence due to injuries to almost any other player who could've played there leaving Moyes with little option.

I think the game changer was his loan spell at blackpool which gave him a chance to play in his natural position for an extended period.

If I'm honest I'm more of the opinion that we need to throw a few more young players in at the deep end and see how they do, rather than expecting always to buy the ready made article. We simply don't have the cash. Our results will likely suffer in the short term, but we'll be better off in the long run.


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