I was looking at the current list of Everton Giants who have been recognised as the great contributors to our distinguished history. The concept was established in 2000 when there were eleven original inductees. Since then, a new Everton Giant has been announced each year. The list in full is:–
  • 2000 Jack Sharp
  • 2000 Sam Chedgzoy
  • 2000 Dixie Dean
  • 2000 Ted Sagar
  • 2000 T G Jones
  • 2000 Dave Hickson
  • 2000 Alex Young
  • 2000 Bob Latchford
  • 2000 Neville Southall
  • 2000 Dave Watson
  • 2000 Howard Kendall
  • 2001 Alan Ball
  • 2002 Ray Wilson
  • 2003 Kevin Ratcliffe
  • 2004 Joe Royle
  • 2005 Graeme Sharp
  • 2006 Peter Reid
  • 2007 Colin Harvey
  • 2008 Gordon West
  • 2009 Harry Catterick
  • 2010 Trevor Steven
  • 2011 Duncan Ferguson
  • 2012 Brian Labone
  • 2013 Derek Temple

Now I don’t think you could argue with anyone on that list, except the fact Bally never made the original list, and it took 12 years for Brian Labone to be recognised.

However, it got me thinking: Who is missing off the list? Kevin Sheedy sprung immediately to mind but the one who is missing is my favourite Everton player of all time: Andy Gray.

Don’t get me wrong: I don’t think he’s the best Everton player I’ve ever seen, he was just the one that excited me the most and whose career was matched with that magical time when being an Evertonian meant watching the best side in Europe.

He only played 49 league games for Everton and only scored 14 times but it was probably his Cup exploits that he will be remembered for.

He was bought as a bit of a gamble because of his injury history but he was an inspirational force in the dressing room, he inspired others with his "never say die" attitude. In fact, it might not be too much too say that the Everton success of the 80s might not have happened without that signing.

I have many favourite memories, but amongst them:

  • The diving header off the penalty spot in the Quaterfinal away at Notts County. I have never been so wet at a football match.
  • The header out of Steve Sherwood’s hands at Wembley. I managed to jump up and throw my pint over the Watford fans around me.
  • The hat-trick of headers when he destroyed Fortuna Sittard at Goodison Park.
  • And finally and unforgettably when, along with Graeme Sharp, he terrorised Bayern Munich in the second half in the greatest of all Goodison nights.
So... not the longest Everton career... but, for me, a true Everton Giant.

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Harold Matthews
1 Posted 24/02/2014 at 06:48:59
There are quite a number of top names missing including Wally Fielding and Royston Vernon.
Patrick Murphy
2 Posted 24/02/2014 at 07:46:39
Harold, for one moment there I thought you were going to say Royston Drenthe.

Andy Gray was certainly a catalyst at the beginning of that golden era, but whether that merits a place in the Hall of Fame is doubtful as Harold says there are a few special players who might deserve to be up there. If Andy Gray was to get a place what about Kevin Campbell without whose services we may have been doomed to relegation.

Don't get me wrong like you I loved every moment of Andy Gray's career at Goodison and all those games you mention I remember as if they were yesterday, but Hall of Fame not too sure.

Peter Warren
3 Posted 24/02/2014 at 08:06:52
Definitely an EFC legend
Peter Mills
4 Posted 24/02/2014 at 08:44:54
Good shout Graham, Andy Gray is certainly worthy of consideration for the galvanising impact he had on the team. Overall, however, I would place Kevin Sheedy above him.

From what I have been told Tommy Lawton should also be considered as a great. And if only for one game, for the sheer euphoria he created at Wembley on 14 May 1966, Mike Trebilcock!

Eugene Ruane
5 Posted 24/02/2014 at 09:05:13
First of all, I think you have to separate the man from the Everton player.

The man seems (to me) to be an arsehole, a real bar-room lawyer know-all type.

He also (to me) gives off that self-made man Tory vibe of "I've got where I have by sheer hard slog"

Plus if we're judged by the company we keep (see 'Keysie') the verdict would be 'guilty...of being a big twat!'

However as far as Andy Gray Everton player goes - a giant every single day of the week.

Brave, determined and with a personality on the pitch that dragged those around him to great(er) heights (this type of player is absolutely invaluable - West Ham are now up to 10th, only imo because 'big mouth dirty bastard' Nolan despises losing and keeps the rest of them from slacking)

I honestly believe that had Reid and Gray not got over injuries in 1984 and had to finish their careers, we'd have had none of the success we did over the following three or so years.

Not an amazingly skillful player but talking ALL the time, completely fearless and I've never seen a player anywhere who enjoyed seeing a ball hit the back of the net more.

Sheedy was undoubtedly a great player but he needed (and was given) confidence and protection from tough mouth-pieces like Reid and Gray.

Gray for me is 100% an Everton giant, as much for the winning mentality he helped instil in those (younger players) he played with as for his goals.

Derek Thomas
6 Posted 24/02/2014 at 09:31:58
How many Giants can we have before it becomes, if not devalued, a victim of Elastic Envelope Syndrome.

When does ' Giant ' become 'Legend'.... then we get well if xxxxxxxx is in what about yyyyyyyyy....onto, well without Trebilcock, Jackson, Whittle, Heath, Mountfield, would we have won the cup and the League x 2

Collins, Vernon, Parker, Gabriel, Kay, Harris, Trebilcock, Husband, Morrissey, Whittle, Jackson etc.

Trouble was, when we were good we were F'kin Brill... all over the place.

Everybody who pulled on a Blue Shirt are Giants ( 1=20 ) Some however are bigger than others, so where do you draw the line.

John Hughes
7 Posted 24/02/2014 at 09:58:34
Mick Lyons anyone? Not the best player to put on the royal blue jersey but an Everton giant, surely?
Mike Hughes
8 Posted 24/02/2014 at 10:15:38
Certain players have a charisma and aura that transcends their actual record of achievement. There is something intangible about what they bring to the club but it is unquestionably positive.

Andy Gray fits into that category and would clearly be a giant in my eyes.

I remember coming home from school to our house in Walton in the early 1980s and my Mum telling me that Radio Merseyside had announced we've signed a new player. It was Andy Gray and he was to be a catalyst for our success. ( Around the same period, I also remember Peter Reid's brother or cousin phoning in to RM on the Alan Jackson show questioning why Peter Reid wasn't a first team regular!)

Compare Gray to Lineker (who was far more prolific) and Gray had that extra charisma and drive that would put him ahead of GL on the Giants list. It's the same argument with Duncan Ferguson (#1) whose presence / threat gave us that bit extra when we really needed it.

Mick Lyons is a good shout. Came close but won nothing with us. If ever a player was unlucky, it was him.

David McKitt
9 Posted 24/02/2014 at 10:54:35
How is Brett Angell not on the list.. shocking.
Mike Hughes
10 Posted 24/02/2014 at 10:57:06
David - he's in the queue, just ahead of Andy van der Meyde.
Ian Edwards
11 Posted 24/02/2014 at 12:38:51
I believe Peter Eastoe should be added. His goals kept Everton in the Fisrt Division in 1979-80 and without his goals we would have been relegated and therefore wouldn't have enjoyed the golden period of the mid 80s just after.
Tony J Williams
12 Posted 24/02/2014 at 12:35:42
Amen Eugene.

Gray's image is tainted somewhat by his persona of his Sky era.

Footballing wise, brilliant player that made those around him want to win too. That quality is too rare in players today.

Andrew Ellams
13 Posted 24/02/2014 at 12:41:52
Graham, you missed out the two diving headers against Sunderland which to me is the game that really showed the rest of the country that we were so much more than just a good side having a good season.
Peter Mills
14 Posted 24/02/2014 at 13:19:24
I met Andy Gray in a hotel bar in Warwick about 10 years, he was with John Gidman and actor Damian Lewis. The latter two were very pleasant guys, but I'm afraid Andy was a bore and a boor.
Ian Glassey
15 Posted 24/02/2014 at 13:21:39
Everton Giant, deffo. As has been said, I doubt we would have won things without him and Peter Reid. I loved every moment of his time here.

His time at Sky was very good until the sexist remarks scandal. And I will never forgive Talk Sport for giving them a job over Mike Parry, Parry was a knob but great entertainment made morning radio worth tuning in to...

Trevor Powell
16 Posted 24/02/2014 at 14:30:33
Bernie Wright, anyone?
John Daley
17 Posted 24/02/2014 at 14:41:14
True, Andy Gray's time as a player is now, unfortunately, tainted by his current media persona of 'mouthy prick'.

Similarly, his standing as an Everton giant is, in my (perhaps biased) opinion, not the shoe in it should be because of the time he publicly flirted with taking the managers job only to jib it when he'd secured a stonking rise in salary from his pay masters at Sky. I never looked at him the same way after that.

Andy Gray, the media man, the gregarious geezer, the mouthy misogynist muff maestro in his own mind, is symptomatic of the sort of moronic, lowest common denominator shite that has been clogging up the British airwaves and permeating it's way into the wider cultural consciousness for far too long.

He's of the 'bit of banter, boys?' brigade, summed up beautifully in this qoute:

"Banter is a catch-all word for idiocy that warns the rest of us that 'Here Be Lads'.

Banter is Soccer AM. It is Andy Gray. It is middle-aged men on Top Gear pretending that they are edgy outsiders by mocking society's weakest, then going home to Chipping Norton where they live two doors down from the Prime Minister. It is an English stag do in Dublin or Amsterdam with matching T-shirts. It is cruelty unleavened by wit but which is excused because it is a bit like wit, if you look at it from a certain angle.

It is what is left when humour has died, and just the rotting, stinking carcass remains, bearing a resemblance to the living being but lacking all that made it good."

Having said all that....he's still one of my all time favourite Everton players purely because he was capable of lifting those around him to greater heights via sheer force of will. He played to win and was perfectly willing to do whatever it took. If that meant being a dirty bastard or bollocking his teammates, then so be it.

If Tim Horward (for example) had even half of Andy Gray's appetite and desire and hatred of coming out of a confrontation second best then there's no way he would have hesitated when he saw John Terry steaming in towards him on Saturday.

Paul Ferry
18 Posted 24/02/2014 at 15:20:17
In my life-time so in all due respect to Harold and the other bus-passes: Sheeds, Bracewell, Morrisey, Mckenzie, Dave Thomas, possibly Parkinson, and there are others I'm surely missing (I just got up, only had one coffee so far, and am fuming about the subject of a meeting I need to go to at noon).

Like Mocky (I can call him Mocky coz we are mates now) I was at Meadow Lane in yep the wettest game ever and like Mocky I did my dance of delirium when Gray scored. Unlike Mocky, however, I can't think of him as an Everton 'great'. Simply can't. Does he have enough games under his belt to be a 'great' - although to be fair magic Dunc did not play a huge number of times (I blame Dracula for that). I do agree about Gray's impact on games but he was in no shape or form the lynchpin of that team and there's a little bit of overkill here on him creating the space for say Sheeds, who has a far better case to be legend.

I remember when Lineker arrived and Gray was in effect pushed to one side there was a fair amount of protesting when his move down the M6 was publicly announced.

Now, more dodgy ground, Gray's post-Everton attitude to and relationship with the club because I can't see a single one of the inducted who have been nothing but steadfastly loyal once they hung their old boots up. Didn't Gray piss a lot of people off with his response to the possibility - thank God it didn't happen by the way - of him becoming EFC gaffer? How many times do we see Gray in and around the Old Lady like all the true greats being invited back by the club to speak, giving his time to Everton .... remember his 2011 chat show tour being cancelled coz nobody wanted to go to hear his chat - including the Liverpool shows?

He appears to be an utter tosser to me - his grubby embarrassing so called repartee with dickhead Keyes. Remember, too, 'Charlotte, can you tuck this down here for me?'. He thought he was untouchable and he wasn't.

On another note, when doing my dance of delirium at Highbury in '84 when Inchy - does he deserve a place in this roll of honour? - scored at 117 I managed to lose one of my rather tasty designer shoes. If anyone has that shoe could they please post on ToffeeWeb Miscellaneous and I will reward her/him with a handsome amount of sponds.

Gray in - not for me - not yet anyway - there are quite a few more deserving candidates and much better Evertonians than 'im.

Brent Stephens
19 Posted 24/02/2014 at 15:50:28
Paul #096 "In my life-time so in all due respect to Harold and the other bus-passes..."

Paul, at my age "hospital pass" might start to take on a new meaning!

Dennis Stevens
20 Posted 24/02/2014 at 16:13:07
Ooohh! Where to start?

At the very least I feel there are others nearer the front of that queue. Off the cuff :- Joe Mercer, Tommy Lawton, Royston Vernon, Jimmy Gabriel, Mick Lyons, Tim Cahill all leap to mind. But I'm happy not to be the one making the final selection.

Robert Workman
21 Posted 24/02/2014 at 18:10:43
Roy Vernon and Jimmy Gabriel
Rick Tarleton
22 Posted 24/02/2014 at 18:20:03
Roy Vernon, Bobby Collins and Martin Dobson
Paul Ferry
23 Posted 24/02/2014 at 19:19:51
Brent you're a global traveller and clearly in great nick.

Dennis - 109 - Joe Mercer, Tommy Lawton, Royston Vernon, Jimmy Gabriel,

Wow that is a roll-call of honour and I'd be more than happy if they were the next four to be added to that glowing list.

Ross Kerry
24 Posted 24/02/2014 at 19:30:28
Sheedy, Sheedy, Sheedy, Sheedy.
Fran Grimes
25 Posted 24/02/2014 at 21:51:59
I have to concur with the points made regarding Gray's character deficit. Wary of making role models out of arse holes, Gray to me was (as we say) a bit of a brasser, willing to spout any shite, to give him some attention. A misogynist, a nouveau riche Tory wannabee, totally forgetful of his roots.

I could list 20/30 more worthy recipients, memorable for some classic headed goals in a golden era, for me his greatest sin was "You Beauty" ode to Stevie Gee. Fuck off, Andy.

Harold Matthews
26 Posted 24/02/2014 at 22:55:07
Joe Mercer and Tommy Lawton definitely. Both members of the great side which won the Championship in 1938-39. I believe Tommy scored 34 goals that season. Two very special footballers who, along with Dixie, should have been top of the list.
Ross Kerry
27 Posted 24/02/2014 at 23:13:29
When is the rate of adding to this list going to slow down?

I like the idea but it must be restricted to the greats.

Carry on with one a year and, before you know it, Peter Beagrie's in there.

Ian Riley
28 Posted 24/02/2014 at 23:32:26
Its time for our current owner to placed on the list!
Andy Kay
29 Posted 24/02/2014 at 23:32:56
Mick Lyons, defo an Everton legend and giant!!!
Paul Ferry
30 Posted 25/02/2014 at 02:33:09
Everest shout Ian mate - 262 - and I'm amazed to see that Philip Carter has not yet featured in our debates up to now. I hope that when we have the dinner to celebrate luvvy-Dicky-Darhling's induction that we frame the tables within a specially-built-for-the-night boys pen.

By the way, Harold and others help me out here, was the Jack Sharp in town when I was experiencing the ravages of puberty owned by THE JACK SHARP. Hope so, I bought a few things from there. Thanks, mum.

Peter Mills
31 Posted 25/02/2014 at 08:48:51
Paul#274, yes, it was one and the same Jack Sharp. What a treasure trove that shop was, whether you were looking for a Mitre Max Permawhite footie, a pair of Puma Eusebio boots, or a Subbuteo team in the Dukla Prague away kit (just a little nod to the legendary Half Man Half Biscuit).
Peter Laing
32 Posted 25/02/2014 at 09:04:04
I used to love Jack Sharp's in whitechapel, spent many a Saturday morning hassling my ma to venture in, those where the days of replica kits in boxes.
Brent Stephens
33 Posted 25/02/2014 at 09:13:20
Ah, Jack Sharp's! Memories. (HE never broke his leg!). Class shop. Peter, I also remember hassling my ma to go in, but knowing we didn't have much dosh. She also took us to the Kardoma (?) coffee shop further down Whitechapel - can still smell the coffee. Starbucks, my arse.
David Prentice
34 Posted 25/02/2014 at 09:10:44
Great debate. I was proud to be part of the committee asked by Michael Dunford to deliberate the original list on the eve of the millennium - along with men like Howard Kendall, Brian Labone and Sir Philip Carter.
The criteria was simple. We had to select one man from every decade since 1900 to give us 10 names. Then choose a manager.
Everyone took the decision-making process incredibly seriously.
(Howard abstained in the manager voting for obvious reasons).
I recall the fiercest debate being the sixties. Howard was absolutely adamant that Alan Ball could not be left out - yet older Evertonians than me prevailed and Alex Young got the nod for that decade. Howard was seriously upset!
There was also some debate on whether Dixie should have been included in the 1920s or 1930s (To be fair it could have been either). The 1920s got the nod so that Ted Sagar could be included in the following decade.
Criteria like longevity, impact, appeal were all considered.
To that end I was delighted when the club decided to add Alan Ball in 2001, but rather disappointed that they then continued to add to the Giants year after year.
It does devalue the concept - and there are one or two names now included which, in my opinion, should not be.
But, given the current criteria.
Should Andy Gray be included?
Absolutely no doubt in my mind.
More influential in the success of the 1980s than possibly any other player.
His force of personality was so important in allowing talented but hitherto retiring players like Trevor Steven, Graeme Sharp and Neville Southall to grow their personalities and express themselves.
And he was one hell of a centre-forward.
As for his off-field behaviour, I'm sure some of the names on the original list had character flaws too which we never heard about.
An Everton Giant in my mind.
Thomas Lennon
35 Posted 25/02/2014 at 09:50:00
Andy Gray fired & inspired a winning team, so did most of the others on the list so he fits well - Duncan Ferguson/Mick Lyons inspired but didn't actually win much. For me the greats took good teams on to become great teams.
Nelly Verdonghan
37 Posted 25/02/2014 at 12:10:20
Andy Gray...Everton Giant??

Well he was in my mind until this...."What A Hit Son....What A Hit!!" screaming at the top of his voice and all but jumping out the stand as Stevie GBH’s 89th minute shot hit the back of the net against Olympiakos thus eliminating the Greek side from the Champions League 2004-05 and keeping the Dark Side in the competition which they then went on to win...a competition they never even qualified for.

To my mind no true Evertonian would have behaved in the manner he did.... no matter whether he’s supposed to be neutral or not... Did any one here behave in such a manner when that goal went in?? I know I didn’t... I was absolutely gutted!!

Does anyone think Gary Neville would do the same??

In fact the way he (Gray) commentates on most Liverpool games if you didn’t know better you would think he had played for them and not us!!

Andy Gray... Everton Giant??

Never in a million years !!

Nelly Verdonghan
38 Posted 25/02/2014 at 12:37:49
Before any one spots it..the Dark Side did qualify for that season’s comp...it was the nxet year that that where re-instated having not qualified by whinging their ’always the victims’ arses off and having the rules changed in their favour...my apologies
Graham Mockford
39 Posted 25/02/2014 at 15:20:55
Well, he certainly divides opinion, most of which seems to centre on his qualities as a person rather than his influence as a footballer.

Eugene as ever says this more eloquently than I can but for me it's not what he's done since he left Everton but what he achieved on the field marks him out.

Maybe it's those of a certain age (mid 40s / mid 50s) that are most likely to think of him as a giant. In the same way my old feller bangs on about Young and Vernon. I don't have that point of reference, I saw Latchford, Sharp, Lineker and Ferguson but never saw anyone with the bravery, aggressiveness and sheer energy that Gray played with. Maybe it's those qualities that off the football field make him the individual he is.

Dick Fearon
40 Posted 25/02/2014 at 22:29:52
What is the difference between Everton greats, giants, legends and immortals.

IMHO there would be lots of greats, a smaller number of giants, a handful of legends and just three immortals.

Ste Traverse
41 Posted 25/02/2014 at 23:01:45
It shouldn't be forgotten that when Gray secured that massive pay rise off Sky after fucking us around during the summer of 97 regarding the managers job, he sold his side of the story to the Sun, a newspaper hated in the City, after he got public criticism off Peter Johnson.

He soon started doing a weekly column for that rag soon after,so I believe.

Harold Matthews
42 Posted 26/02/2014 at 00:33:42
Sorry Stephen, McKenzie was here for one and a half seasons and has milked it ever since. Yes, he could do a few fancy tricks and play the odd good game when he had a decent audience but an Everton giant?!! No chance.
Patrick Murphy
43 Posted 26/02/2014 at 01:07:56
If you had to pick a team from the last 60 years but could only pick two players from each decade – who would you choose?

01 Southall (90s)
02 Coleman (10s)
03 Wilson (60s)
04 Kendall (80s)
05 Ratcliffe (80s)
06 Watson (00s)
07 Ball (70s)
08 Young (60s)
09 Royle (70s)
10 Beardsley (90s)
11 Rooney (00s)
12 Arteta (10s)

It's very difficult!

Jackie Barry
44 Posted 26/02/2014 at 02:04:59
Great player but I can think of many players before him which is why when I am thinking of a team of legends he would not feature. Kevin I saw them both play and it's Sheedy before Gray any day of the week for me.
Paul Ferry
45 Posted 26/02/2014 at 04:32:52
Come on Dick mate - 464 - basking in your OZ sunshine yoy lucky ----------- who are the 'three immortals'?
Tony Draper
46 Posted 26/02/2014 at 05:55:03
Tommy Lawton

Reading his stats alone would have the hairs on your neck stood on end
He really was a worthy replacement for WR Dean
Sadly Tommy's football career was badly interrupted by an Austrian vegetarian painter & decorator's histrionics

But Tommy was a world class act and a true gentleman
I reckon if you asked Billy Dean who he'd nominate he'd only have one answer

Tommy Lawton

Paul Ferry
47 Posted 26/02/2014 at 06:08:59
Totally Tony - 496 - and his - Tommy Lawton's - interviews are a blue delight.

Thanks everyone else about Jack Sharp's in Whitechapel where I got my adidas/perry/coq/pod late 70s so happy it went into the coffers of one of us.

Great thread this.

Tony Draper
48 Posted 26/02/2014 at 06:10:28
Although Joe Mercer would also be a tremendous nomination

I spent a wonderful 90 minutes with Joe & his lovely wife Lily on the train back after the '84 FA Cup Final
Wonderful memory, of 2 wonderful people

Gentleman Joe is also the first Evertonian to manage England

Joe also had success at Arsenal and managing Man City

A more devout proper Evertonian is yet to be born

I was reading the "Dixie" Biography of Billy Dean when I met Mr Mercer, he signed it for me and wrote
"I signed for Everton in 1932, on my first day Billy told me that I had a pair of legs that wouldn't last his postman the morning", Joe Mercer, Everton & England

Gentleman Joe would add to the status of Legend

Tony Draper
49 Posted 26/02/2014 at 06:22:48
Paul, I completely agree this IS a great thread and YES Tommy's interviews are manna from heaven to any Blue

Nice posting by Dave Prentice, adds insight to the whole subject

As always Harold adds class with his contributions (though I completely disagree with his views of Duncan McKenzie "Is MAGIC !" )

I'd also suggest that further down the line there's a guy who earned Legend status with a single act

Andy King

Matt Traynor
50 Posted 26/02/2014 at 06:40:38
Nelly #325 far be it for me to defend the other lot, but they didn't bleat about having the rules changed. The fact was there was a loophole in the competition as UEFA did not forsee a situation where the winners of the competition would not be eligible to defend it the following season based on the same year's performance in their domestic league (bearing in mind England, Spain, Italy got 4 slots, France, Germany 3 and it's been a while since a club from outside those nations lifted the CL).

The fact is there was precedent. A couple of years before 2005 Real Madrid had won the competition (probably the last time they did) but didn't qualify to defend it through league position. UEFA ducked the issue deferring it to the League, as they "nominate competition entrants" (remember - it's England's choice to give a Europa place to League Cup winners, but give it back to the league if the winner already qualifies for CL, rather than to the runner up).

Anyway, can't remember the team in Spain that "took" the last CL slot, but they were bought off by a combination of the League and Real Madrid to swap their CL slot for Real's Europa League spot. There's probably a report if you look online, but it was something like £25m, or more.

When it happened again, Brian Barwick (RS season ticket holder) was Chairman of the Premier League, and to be fair, declared an interest and dodged the decision, bouncing it back to UEFA who gave us an unprecedented FIVE slots for the CL that season.

Had we been offered a huge financial incentive by the FA and RS to swap places, what do you think our board would / should have done? Hindsight is 20:20 of course.

Instead that approach was deemed less than clean (ok for the Spaniards though remember), we got a really "unfortunate" draw to eventual semi-finalists and a referee coaxed out of retirement for one match, and UEFA finally introduced the rules to prevent it happening again.

Tottenham were in exactly the same position as us when Chelsea won a couple of years back vs Bayern - and under the new rules they went into the Europa.

(Sorry to go off topic).

Back on topic - Andy Gray - appreciate his catalysing influence in that team at the time. Legend - not in my definition, but in the expanded concept mentioned above - probably.

Derek Thomas
51 Posted 26/02/2014 at 07:26:56
Dick #464, Dean and Ball, but who's the Harry Lime
Tony Draper
52 Posted 26/02/2014 at 07:46:06
Derek @504

Surely Ray Wilson ?
Evertons only World Cup Winner (albeit Bally joined us afterwards)

He would be my automatic choice

He'd stroll into any top side today

Peter Mills
53 Posted 26/02/2014 at 08:00:05
Derek and Tony, I hold Ramon in the highest esteem possible, but would have to go for Neville (Southall, that is.......)
Andrew Lawrenson
54 Posted 26/02/2014 at 10:00:09
One of favourite players.......The screaming skull
Graham Mockford
55 Posted 26/02/2014 at 10:07:32
Paul #497

Did you keep any of that stuff. I still have the gear I wore to Rotterdam and Wembley in 85. One outfit for six days, was a bit minty when I got home.

Got it out to show my son a few years ago, Benetton rugby shirt, Diadora Borgs and Everton/ Celtic bobble hat. He laughed his fucking head off!

Tony Draper
56 Posted 26/02/2014 at 11:03:47
Graham @ 525

Before Evertonians wore "Ski Hats" no-one did

AFTER our Euorpean Adventure the whole world latched on (a phrase coined by the Oxford English Dictionary to commemorate Bob 30 in a Season Latchford)

Where the great tread first, the lesser are bound to follow

And albeit off-topic
Everton FC's original name as we ALL know was St Domingo's

But a well hidden fact is that following "The Great Schism" our loveable neighbours original name as an independant entity was.............
Everton Athletic

As I said
"Where the great tread first, the lesser are bound to follow"

John Hughes
57 Posted 26/02/2014 at 12:46:37
Something springs to mind. Whilst somewhat tongue-in-cheek, it could bestow the status Giant or Legend in that it certainly put a huge smile on the vast majority of Blues' faces that day (we lost 1-0).

Goodison Derby, 73-74 season, and Kevin Keegan gets hit by the equivalent of the proverbial steam train; Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you the one, the only David Clements...

Paul Ferry
58 Posted 26/02/2014 at 18:36:02
Mocky - I went to Rotterdam - blush - in full kit - shirt, shorts, and socks - with a very natty trendy jacket and boss trainers. My one lapse as I was a no colours sort of lad. Oh well, don't mind, what a great three days .....
Dick Fearon
59 Posted 26/02/2014 at 22:45:52
Paul F @ 491, If like me in the last three months of continuous sunshine cracking the flags, day time temps never falling below 30C, cloudless blue skies not a drop of rain and none forecast for at least another couple of weeks, bunny hopping across flaming hot sand to reach a warm ocean then you might hold a different view about basking in Aussie sunshine.

As for my immortals No1. need I say is Dixie. No 2 is Alex Young who raised standards, certainly in England, to a level of football so sublime it had grown men gasping in awe. My No 3 may not be univerally accepted is none other than Tim Cahill. I give him the nod because in a long period of dire football Tim had an uncanny ability to give us hope.

Many others mentioned above were part of good teams Timmy never was yet he turned a huge number of defeats or draws into wins.

I also reckon it was his contribution that kept Moyes in a job.

Steve Foster
60 Posted 28/02/2014 at 07:19:25
Andy Gray!?!?!?!!

Heard it all now. The man is an total arsehole of a human being. I'd rather choose Gary Lineker then Gray, he has more time for Everton then Gray......

Brin Williams
61 Posted 28/02/2014 at 07:32:47
Brent 302.

My very first 'own' football was bought at Jack Sharp.

My father who was not an overly keen football fan let alone an Evertonian had ventured to Goodison with some of his mates in the '50s and what do you think I had for Xmas – a SIZE 5 leather ball with laces and an inner tube. Great ball but when soaking wet you could break a leg kicking it!!

Always remember the name on that ball – Jack Sharp.

Gary Reeves
62 Posted 28/02/2014 at 09:52:47
Eugene #030,

Following your condemnation of people who might "Get where they are through sheer hard slog", I’ve seen the light and decided to hand in my Notice. I shall now be following a more honourable route.. Right on Brothers!

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