The season has ended; the summer is upon us. A time for enjoying cold lager, cheap paperbacks on sunbeds, and counting down the days until August, when we can get back into the weekly routine of enjoying this thing of ours.

And yet we never entirely let it go... even during these matchless months. Wives and girlfriends across the country despair as we fill the weekends watching last season’s reviews, stressing over the transfer gossip on the back pages, and scouring the Internet to see if Umbro has released next year’s kit yet.

This year, we’ve even got the World Cup and plenty of Blue representation to look forward to. Anyone else bought the Mundial mag from Steeple Pine? Office workers, have you got the tournament broadcast schedule inputted into your Outlook calendar? After not being all that bothered about the World Cup since Italia ’90, is it just me, or is there some promise of magic finally at this year’s tournament?

And talking about magic, did you see Ross Barkley in the warm-up game against Ecuador? That was the Ross we all know and love, eh? And it seems that the rest of the football world is starting to know about him, too. Which is something us Blues are apprehensive of, is it not? Painful memories of Rooney’s transfer still fresh in minds...

But, as much as we, as fans, worship them, no player is irreplaceable. Every player has a price. A shrewd club knows how to value players, and won’t buy a player for more than he’s worth, or sell a player for less. Implicit in this also, is that a shrewd club won’t hold onto a player when an offer comes in which they believe exceeds the value of said player. This is why it’s the case that, even under a long contract, any player can be prized away from their club.

And so, it could be argued that selling Rooney was one of the best things Everton did in the last decade, considering the cash we got for him, at only 18 years old, and how this apparently saved our club from financial ruin. And credit must be given to the club for getting top dollar for the sales of the likes of Rodwell, Lescott, and Fellaini, and bringing in bargains such as Coleman, Stones, and McCarthy. I think we can say with confidence that we’ve managed to sell for more than the true value, and bought for less than the true value, in the majority of transfers over the last ten years. (Pienaar and a few other excepted.)

This is why the sale of Coleman, Stones, and McCarthy may not only be inevitable, but even in the best interests of Everton Football Club, in the long term. There’s no room for sentimentality in football. If you could reduce it to statistics, you would. If a team has a 55% chance of winning the average Premier League game with Coleman in the side, but you can sell him and replace him for two players who’s inclusion in the team raises your winning chance to 55.5%, then you’d be better off in the long term to sanction the transfer.

The link between probability of on-field success, individual contribution of any one player, and therefore value of said player, has to be down to the manager of the club. Of course, it’s not an exact science, and for most, it seems no more scientific than throwing darts at a board. But, for the likes of David Moyes (give him his dues), and, I believe, Roberto Martinez, there is a shrewd, calculating, and strategic mind behind all activity in the transfer market. They may not always get it right, but there is a science behind their methods, and over the long term, they will make more good decisions than bad ones.

So, given all of that, if Real Madrid, PSG, or God forbid Liverpool, come in with a 100 million offer for Ross Barkley, then we should snap their hands off... right? No; not in Barkley’s case. But I’m not making this case based on sentimental reasons, nor solely on on-pitch statistical analysis, but based on a business sense that tells me Ross Barkley could be worth much more than 100 million over the next 10 years, both on the pitch and off it.

I believe that the story of Ross a local lad, playing for his boyhood team, spearheading our resurgence from obscurity is going to be a marketing dream. I believe Everton are not only a sleeping giant on the pitch, but off it too, in terms of our "brand" and how we can capture the imagination of a knowledgeable footballing population growing sick of being force-fed the Sky Sports driven agenda which is as appetizing as a McDonald’s Happy Meal to a connoisseur.

The football following populace of the world is fed up with Sky, Kopite pundits, sterilization of terrace culture, cheating and diving, mercenaries playing for oil money, and all that the game has become. No-one was fooled by the Kopite pundits’ agenda to paint Liverpool as some kind of "choice of the people", "everybody’s second team" malarkey in spite of everyone knowing perfectly well they are a mega rich behemoth backed by a group of American businessmen for whom, along with the Manchester United owners, their sole motivation to "invest in the British sporting market" is that they have identified "under-monetization of sports consumers in the UK". In other words, the American businessmen are coming for us because we’re not being milked enough already!

I believe Everton, owned by boyhood fan Bill Kenwright, with local lad Ross Barkley as star player, with our feet on the ground, shrouded in our history, still in possession of our souls, strong local fan base, unwithered roots, playing football the right way, playing the "School of Science" way, will capture the imagination of the silent majority of decent, intelligent, thoughtful fans the world over. It will take time, yes. Intelligent, thoughtful fans don’t just jump onto the latest bandwagon. But I believe if we keep doing what we’ve been doing, and we keep hold of Barkley, as the poster boy of everything that is great about our club then, slowly but surely, Everton will get the global recognition and plaudits we deserve.

And I believe we can eventually go one better than Atltico and win the Premier League and even go on to win the Champion’s League too, with Ross as our talisman. It’s all a long way off, and first must come Champion’s League qualification and hopefully Europa League success next season but before even that, Id say one of the keys to our on-field and off-field success would be securing Ross on a long-term, well-paid contract, to send the message to all and sundry that he’s not going anywhere.

And if they want their own Ross Barkley, then they’ll have to develop one themselves from their own local pool of talent. Good luck to them with that.

ps: I’m aware of the inherent contradiction in me arguing we should keep Ross for commercial reasons which would involve monetizing a brand purporting to be a counterweight to the over-commercialization of the game! My point, I suppose, is that a) At least it would have built organically and be local at its nucleus; b) I’m not against capitalism per se I just ask that it’s done with a little class; and c) I think the sort of fans we’d attract globally would be decent people with good taste exactly the opposite of the crass individuals worldwide following our neighbours and the "top of the product endorsements" table over at the "Theatre of Nightmares".

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Jay Harris
1 Posted 07/06/2014 at 15:12:22
Nice sentiments Dom but I think we all know that unless we get CL we will struggle to hold on to our top players.

Money and ambition has become the new culture of football and it is no longer a working class game with principles.

Realistically unless Bill and cronies put some investment into the club we are not going to be able to compete.

We didn’t make the top 4 this season and we already have Spurs and Man Utd with new managers and a bigger war chest than we have seen during Bill’s tenure.

The togetherness of the squad and enthusiasm of Roberto will not be enough to bridge the gap especially with the demands of the Europa League and players coming back tired or injured from the World Cup.

Ajay Gopal
2 Posted 07/06/2014 at 15:40:42
My sentiments (or rather my dream) exactly, Dom. But realistically, unless everyone at the club has the same thinking from top to bottom (chairman, management, the other players, of course Ross Barkley himself and the fans), it ain’t going to happen if RB becomes the star we think he can be. But Atletico Madrid showed that it is possible, so it is not an impossible dream.
Malcolm Joyner
3 Posted 07/06/2014 at 15:55:11
A bit schmaltzy that, Dom! I suspect that Ross is a player who will simply outgrow us. Once he becomes an established England player his head and horizons will be lifted far above the ’best of the rest’ our club is fated to be.
Colin Glassar
4 Posted 07/06/2014 at 16:08:31
I still believe there’s a trillionaire sheikh out there, riding his gold-plated camel, thinking: "Should I? Shouldn’t I? Should I? Shouldn’t I?"
Tim Veitch
5 Posted 07/06/2014 at 17:19:45
Dom, I share your sentiments, and I suspect Roberto does too!
Raymond Fox
6 Posted 07/06/2014 at 18:08:41
The question is, Dom, what would you do if you could play for Everton for 100k a week or 150k- 200k per week for Man City, Chelsea or Man Utd?

You can’t really blame any local lad that leaves, when that sort of opportunity arises.

Easy for us fans to say ’stay’... but to give up that sort of money is 99% impossible!

Thomas Lennon
7 Posted 07/06/2014 at 20:37:51
No player or manager will make this club’s future better on their own. Progression will be steady and gradual and must take in all parts of the club, gradually building stronger foundations.

If Ross becomes part of that, great. But his career is short and Everton will go on forever regardless as long as we all still want it to.

Paul Andrews
8 Posted 07/06/2014 at 21:11:28
Disagree with that Thomas.

By putting style of play,the right coaches and a winning mentality into the youth teams our manager will undoubtedly make the future better.

Even if it is only the near to mid future

Kunal Desai
10 Posted 07/06/2014 at 23:12:44
Under the current custodians, Everton FC has been and will always be a stepping stone of a club for any player.
Eric Myles
11 Posted 08/06/2014 at 00:37:45
Dom, got to disagree with you over McCarthy being a bargain, he was our second highest transfer fee paid.

Also I would class Pienaar as one of our bargains rather than the opposite.

Nigel Gregson
12 Posted 08/06/2014 at 00:37:39
What a great thoughtful article. To add to your sentiment, I think that this current Goodison crop is something special. Not just Ross, but Seamus Coleman, James McCarthy, John Stones - along with Ryan Ledsen, George Green with a few other young home-grown high potential signings (Rodwell?) will form the nucleus of true grassroots club steeped in tradition (kind of like that class of 92 for Man Utd). As I speak, Ross Barkley takes the piss out of the Ecuador defence (shame Sturridge and co couldn’t shoot through the ring of Saturn). Every time Ross does something like that, the whole world takes note of Everton. 100 million doesn’t buy that kind of publicity in the next ten years.

Ultimately the commercial aspects of the game center around mega-stars and buzz of being associated with the best. Real Madrid spends 100M on Bale and 85M on Ronaldo. But, these mega stars keep the Real Madrid profile up with the fans, who in turn, buy Real Ronaldo t-shirts and all other paraphernalia. Madrid then attract higher paying shirt sponsors and so on ultimately growing their revenues and financial power. The other day, I saw a young kid wearing an Everton t-shirt with Deulofeu on the back in the London tube. Gerard, for all his rawness, generated unprecedented buzz and excitement among fans. Heck with a motto like Nil Satis Optimus, why should we not target anything but the best ourselves ?

People say selling Rooney was good business for us. I refute that. In the last 10-15 years, Rooney has generated far more than 25M for Man Utd just by being there as an acknowledged superstar of the game (despite not ever really achieving his true potential in my opinion).

Steve Carter
13 Posted 08/06/2014 at 01:34:50
"So, ... if Real Madrid, PSG, or God forbid Liverpool, come in with a 100 million offer for Ross Barkley, then we should snap their hands off... right?" Actually, yes.
Derek Thomas
14 Posted 08/06/2014 at 02:04:36
Thats a lorra lorra IFs Dom and who to say it wont happen??... well I might happen and it could happen, but more likely knowing Us it will nearly... but not quite happen.

Thomas Lennon, right-ish, the progression has and may even still be happening ( Martinezes one season is too early to) form a pattern.

OFM,TGT, moved us up a bot 10 places or so and that took him 5 or 6 years, but for various reason ( done to death ad nausem ) couldnt make the final couple of places come about.

The improvement task is geometrically harder, Moyes got us from Lev 4 - Lev 8 and took 11 yrs.

Roberto has to get us from Lev 8 - Lev 16 and he wont hang around being Bills heat shield for 11 yrs.

*goes out on limb, if we dont get 1 or better still 2 meaningful runs in the CL soon, it wont happen, no matter if Barkley stays here until hes 40.

There have been a number of threads of a loosely similar nature and the all end, for me anyway, with variations on a theme...

Over to you Bill.

Andy Osborne
15 Posted 08/06/2014 at 08:31:52
Steve, I actually agree with the OP, and I would hope we would say no. The main, and only reason, is that if handled correctly, Everton would make far more than 100 million. Not just over the length of his career, but in the next few years.

The only doubt is whether we have the talent in the boardroom to handle it correctly. I suspect not. Ross could earn far more staying with us, not just in wages, but in image rights, endorsements, and a share in the global merchandise revenue. We could make it "worth his while" and in turn he would earn us the money we need.

The problem is, where does it start? Maybe he will do it by starring in the World Cup; if not, then the boardroom need to start it, by spending on good players around him, so the team can actually push for the Champions League.

Anthony Lewis
16 Posted 08/06/2014 at 09:40:47
I can’t help thinking how much time you spent writing this only for Ross to be sold for 35mil after the World Cup.

Great sentiment though, let’s just hope he stays and we have our own Class of ’92 ready to take us to the next level.

Anto Byrne
17 Posted 08/06/2014 at 09:31:47
Lets say Barkley does a Man City or Newcastle sort of goal at this World Cup... suddenly, a billion people on the planet will be asking, "Who is this kid?"

Lets say he takes the tournament by storm. What sort of price would be on his head? 55-60M? If an offer came in for say 60M, how tempting would it be to cash him in and clear the clubs debts?

Imagine Bill telling Roberto that he has 15M to spend and we might get a another Barcelona kid in on loan. Well, its all supposition; Im hoping that Bill wont have to sell and that he wants his club to go on and do great things.

Tony Abrahams
18 Posted 08/06/2014 at 09:53:45
MAKE US DREAM!!! Barkley is doing well for himself at the moment, but Im afraid I think Kunal is right. I just hope he stays a few more seasons than Rooney did and I think he will because, thanks to Kenwrights prudence, the club seems a little bit better financially!

Seriously though, if you sell your best asset at a time when there has never been so much money about in football, then we might as well all stay away.

Paul Thompson
19 Posted 08/06/2014 at 11:22:43
Great sentiments, but there are so many factors at play that might undermine the objective of keeping Ross. Opportunity and money talk and if Ross lights up the World Cup, as he is capable of doing, the big boys of global football such as Real Madrid, Barcelona and PSG may come calling. Does anybody seriously think Ross will turn that down?

And if he wants to go, ultimately the club cannot and will not keep him. Even if this doesn’t happen, without Champions League football, I doubt that we’ll keep him for more than one more season.

Jim Harrison
20 Posted 08/06/2014 at 11:54:56
100 million? Done deal. Very few clubs could turn that down. 35 million? Jog on... but, if you stretch to 60 million?

I don’t want to see him go, but every player has a price.

Kevin Tully
21 Posted 08/06/2014 at 13:16:16
The question you need to ask is "Would our board (and Philip Green) turn down a 50m bid for this player?"

Everyone needs to understand this is not about Bill Kenwright; deals such as this are not brokered by him. This is just a business like any other for these people do you really think Robert Earl gives two shits whether we sell Ross or not? As soon as the right money is offered, he WILL be sold.

Does anyone on this forum believe the people who make these decisions have a long-term plan in place to bring back the glory years to this club?

Wyness was sacked by Earl & Green because he was uneasy that Everton were being run out of Green’s offices in London go and look for the story. Two times journalists printed this and we never heard another thing about it, just incredible.

Bill’s a patsy who loves the limelight he’ll take all this shit he gets if it means he can remain Chairman of EFC. He’s a fame-hungry luvvie who shouldn’t be anywhere near the place.

Just remember, this is a club where every employee leaves with a pay-off and a non-disclosure agreement tucked into their briefcase. Why is that?

Jason Heng
22 Posted 08/06/2014 at 13:40:50
Interesting reference to Atletico Madrid. I wonder if Martinez or anyone is deeply analysing what can be learned from their surprise success. After all, they overcame two giants probably bigger than any in the Premier League.
Dick Brady
23 Posted 08/06/2014 at 14:10:24
Ross Barkley will be sold. If he’s as good as some people think he is, then it’s only a matter of time before he is sold. Great players are always sold to bigger clubs. That’s just a fact of football.

Doesn’t matter if your name is Ross Barkley, Wayne Rooney, Gareth Bale or Cristiano Ronaldo. The cream rises to the top.

Even big Premier League clubs like Man Utd and Liverpool cannot stop their best players leaving for bigger European teams. You watch: it’s only a matter of time before Suarez leaves Liverpool for Madrid or Barcelona. I would say only Barcelona and Real Madrid can keep World Superstars happy by offering them huge amounts of money and all the trophies available. Only those two clubs have the prestige to prevent players like Messi and Ronaldo having their heads turned.

Of course there are exceptions to every rule and Steven Gerrard has shown incredible loyalty to Liverpool over his career but, let’s be honest, the huge sums of money have helped. Gerrard has also won many FA Cups, League Cups and one Champions League while at Liverpool. He’s also had the hope that Liverpool might win the Premier League someday. All those things have probably helped Gerrard stay at Liverpool but I imagine someday he might look back and regret he never pursued a move to Barcelona.

What can Everton offer Ross Barkley? Not a great deal of money. Certainly not as much as the European big boys. Can we offer him trophies? Well we haven’t won anything in nearly 20 years.

Let’s be honest: if Barkley is the world beater some say he will be and he gave us 10 years of his career, what could we realistically offer him? A good yet unspectacular wage, possibly an FA Cup win and maybe the chance of securing Champions League football?

Let’s be honest, if he’s that good, he’ll be playing alongside Ronaldo and Bale at Barcelona within 2 years.

Peter Bell
24 Posted 08/06/2014 at 14:34:42
Dick, don’t kid yourself, if you think Gerrard has been loyal to the RS. He was once desperate to get away, and that Chelsea move was a done deal.
Mark Frere
25 Posted 08/06/2014 at 14:37:59
I don’t think Real Madrid would sell Ronaldo and Bale to Barcelona, Dick.
Patrick Murphy
26 Posted 08/06/2014 at 14:42:21
Ross might as well cross the park then as that seems to be the place where the trophies lie. Many FA Cups (2), Many League Cups (3), Uefa Cup (1), Champions League (1) now I realise that is 7 more trophies than Everton have won but let’s not get carried away with how superior the other lot have been and also don’t forget how much money they have spent in getting those trophies, mostly while Everton were down among the dead men.
Brian Hill
27 Posted 08/06/2014 at 14:55:03
Dick, your categorisation of Gerrard as a world superstar, is, at best, laughable. To compare him to Messi and Ronaldo is utterly ridiculous. He is no more than a very good PL player who has been praised to the rafters simply because of who he plays for.
Steavey Buckley
28 Posted 08/06/2014 at 15:24:31
One of the reasons why Wigan were relegated, Martinez was forced to sell his best players every season.

Unless there is quality lined up, like for like, selling should not be an option for Everton.

Dick Brady
29 Posted 08/06/2014 at 15:27:17
Mark Frere, Im not suggesting Real Madrid would sell Ronaldo and Bale to Barcelona. Im saying that even players like Ronaldo and Bale were sold to Real Madrid with Man Utd and Spurs unable to hold onto them.

Real Madrid and Barcelona are most probably the only two clubs in the world who can hold on to players as long as they want and thats because they have the money, trophies and prestige to offer players.

Dick Brady
30 Posted 08/06/2014 at 15:31:18
I think Gerrard was loyal up to a point. He could easily have gotten more money at Chelsea or Man City. But I also think he has earned a shit load of money at Liverpool which has undoubtedly helped his loyalty.

Gerrard has also won countless trophies (including the Champions League) and always had the possibility of one day winning the Premier League. That certainly helps you be more loyal.

If Liverpool had won nothing in the last 20 years and had no chance of winning the Premier League then my guess is good old Crease Head would have been playing for Chelsea for the last 6 years.

David Ellis
31 Posted 08/06/2014 at 15:29:30
There is a business reason to keep Barkley as long as possible. People support clubs because of their heros (well many do). Van Gaal was saying the other day he was a Spurs fan because of Jimmy Greaves. We need heroes like that. It adds to our brand (and yes that does matter).

Lineker could have been a hero, so could Rooney. But they did not stay long enough. Big Dunc was not good enough.

But Barkley could be forever associated with Everton if he makes an impact in international tournaments and stays with us for at least half-a-dozen years. We need that.

Dick Brady
32 Posted 08/06/2014 at 15:35:17
Steavey Buckley, you claim selling should not be an option for Everton but thats exactly what Robertos loan policy does to us. The expiration of loan deals is as good as selling our best players. Already this summer Everton have effectively lost two of their best players (Barry, Lukaku) and one very good squad player (Deulofeu).

You can argue that these players have not been sold but its had exactly the same impact on the club. We have now sold two of our best players and one very good squad player.

And all three of those players will need replacing with a like-for-like replacement. Roberto needs to find more players now as good as Lukaku, Barry and Deulofeu.

I do not like the loan policy and question why Roberto seems to have so much faith in it. Loaning players is a short-term solution and should only be used in an emergency. Roberto can bring in Deulofeu last season and possibly bring in Adam Johnson next season but all thats doing to papering over the cracks.

We have a striker shortage and we all know it. Lukaku plugged the gap last season but now Roberto has the difficult task of finding another striker to plug the gap next season. It would be so much better to find a permanent striker who can be developed over a number of seasons.

If we are to progress as a team, we need permanent players which Roberto can build around. Otherwise, every summer, loan players will return to their parent clubs and Roberto will continually be looking to plug the gap with more loans.

John Shepherd
33 Posted 08/06/2014 at 15:09:15
It still sickens me every time I think of Sky TV and what they blatantly do to promote the RS, Im seriously thinking about canceling my subscription. How long till its called Skypool? How many ex-RS pundits will it take to get them more viewers. Someone somewhere high up in football/media/tv wherever is handing out large brown envelopes to keep their shoddy club in the limelight.

Gerrard is there still because of money, plain and simple; he must be getting huge payoffs and when he retires he will join up with JC (the other one) at Skypool and the master plan will be complete. It makes my skin crawl at the very thought, Im going to cancel my package (not brown) now.

I hope Ross Barkley doesnt sell his soul like the other cunt and knows when the time is right for him not the board, not the fans, not his agent. If he stays because he loves Everton, then that will do for me.

James Stewart
34 Posted 08/06/2014 at 16:06:51
Not true, Dick. Only need to look across the park. Gerrard had plenty of chances to leave Liverpool. They finished below us not so long ago remember. Did he leave? No.

Players like Barkley come along once every blue moon if youre lucky. Make him Captain and build the entire team around him; he is that good. He is our Gerrard.

Malcolm Joyner
35 Posted 08/06/2014 at 15:57:41
Complete sense from Dick Brady here. Can you EVER imagine Everton being able to meet the 200k a week his talent will demand if he fulfils all the promise we have of him?

Lets just enjoy his skills whilst we have them. As the Byrds used to sing For everything, there is a season. I suspect it applies to Everton footballers, too!

Dick Brady
36 Posted 08/06/2014 at 16:43:01
James Stewart, Steven Gerrard stayed at Liverpool because they could offer him 150k a week wages, multiple FA & League Cup wins, a Champions League win and the realistic chance to challenge for the Premier League title.

Can Everton offer Barkley 150k wages? No.
Can Everton offer Barkley multiple FA Cup Wins? No.
Can Everton offer Barkley multiple League Cup wins? No.
Can Everton offer Barkley a Champions League win? No.
Can Everton offer Barkley a chance of winning the Premier League? No.

Lets pretend Steven Gerrard continued his childhood love affair with Everton and signed for us when he was a kid. Lets pretend he loved Everton as much as he now loves Liverpool.

Would Steven Gerard have been loyal enough to play for Everton for 15 years? Winning nothing?

No Chance. Gerard would have walked away from Goodison and joined Chelsea years ago.

Dick Brady
37 Posted 08/06/2014 at 16:58:46
Basically Gerrards loyalty to Liverpool is helped enormously by the fact that they have made him a multi-millionaire and enabled him to win every trophy in the game, other than the Premier League itself, and hes been close to that a couple of times.

Its easy to be loyal under those circumstances. Not so easy to be loyal to Everton who have very little money and very little chance of actually winning anything, let alone multiple trophies.

Patrick Murphy
38 Posted 08/06/2014 at 17:01:50
Dick, you dont know for certain that Ross wouldnt win multiple trophies in the next 14 years if he decided to stay at Goodison; neither do you know for a fact that in the next 14 years we wont land the title, Champions League or Europa League. Now you may think that the odds are in your favour and it is unlikely... but it is not certain. Gerrard staying at the other place had more to do with shadowy figures from the wrong side of the tracks rather than any footballing or financial reasons.

BTW I think youll find that Everton FC have made more than a few players multi-millionaires along the way since the PL started. Sometimes I think you believe that Everton are tantamount to a non-league club and I wonder why you bother supporting a club with so many failings, especially when compared to our near-neighbours.

Raymond Fox
39 Posted 08/06/2014 at 18:20:34
Lets be realistic, if Ross wants to go elsewhere for an extra 50k-100k per week, Ross will leave.

Anyone saying he should stay, to put it mildly are, whats the phrase?

John Daley
40 Posted 08/06/2014 at 19:00:31
"Selling should not be an option for Everton but thats exactly what Robertos Loan policy does to us... expiration of loan deals is as good as selling our best players... You can argue that these players have not been sold but... We have now sold two of our best players and one very good squad player"

Err... except we havent.

Theres no argument about it. Everton have not sold 3 loan players. To suggest it should be viewed otherwise is nonsensical.

This whole Everton must repent for their evil loan pact with the devil rubbish has been going on for too long now.

Loan players going back to their parent club is not exactly the same as selling a player because all parties to the deal know, at its very inception, that it is an inevitable and agreeable outcome and can plan ahead accordingly.

You really think Martinez just went sod it, get them in for now and Ill just try and phenomenally blag it when they piss off in the summer? Hes had a full season to plan what hes going to do.

We brought in 5 players on permanent deals last season, which is pretty much par for the course in two transfer windows for most clubs. Anyone else coming in on loan should be viewed as a bonus, brought about through clever manipulation of the current market. It served its purpose, so why the continual need to seek to put a negative spin on it? Its not like bringing in a loan player prevented the club from making a permanent purchase. Gareth Barry didnt cock-block Fernando from coming into Everton, for example.

Robertos loan policy granted us the benefit of players we wouldnt have been able to bring in otherwise. Players we wouldnt have possessed to lose in the first place, were it not for this very same policy being utilised.

Your take on Evertons loan dealings is negatively skewed to support your pre-set stance on the system as a whole. Well be worse off for it in the long run, im warning ya is self serving scaremongering on a Witchfinder General scale.

For me, its simple: Its not about what weve lost now that theyre gone, its about what we gained whilst they were here.

Much better to take a proven quantity on loan for a year because (a) you pretty much know what he will bring to the party and (b) it provides you with the luxury of time to conduct a thorough search for a more permanent solution.

What would you rather Martinez did last summer? Turn his nose up at the very thought of loans, take a gamble and stump up 9m for someone like Rickity Van Wasswinkle? Thats all well and good until youre stuck with the useless (and now virtually worthless) sod a year later when everyone has sussed hes utter shite and your only chance of shipping him out is to take a tip from Trading Places and tie him up, shove a fistful of tamazes down his throat, gag him, dress him in a gorilla suit and shove him in a cage on a Congo bound freight train, to spend the entire journey getting anally mauled by Mighty Joe Young.

John Daley
41 Posted 08/06/2014 at 19:15:23
"What can Everton offer Ross Barkley? Not a great deal of money.... A good yet unspectacular wage".

You talk like hes going to be playing with his big toe poking out of his battered old boots. Theyve already offered him the platform to become a Premier League footballer, a full international and a multi-millionare, after one full season. Throwing his career away if he stays here he is.

Paul Andrews
42 Posted 08/06/2014 at 19:19:27
"For me, its simple. Its not about what we have lost now that they are gone. Its about what we gained while they were here."

Youre right, John, it is simple. How anyone cant see it is baffling

Roger Helm
43 Posted 08/06/2014 at 19:22:13
I am not keen on the loan system because it goes against the principle that football is a team sport. How often do we see a side with less good players (like Atletico, Wimbledon, Greece or Denmark at the Euros etc) prevail because of their strong team ethos? Loanees can never be integral to the team when they and their team-mates know they will soon be gone.

And when they do go, it disrupts the team structure and rhythm. I think we may be a bit like Man Utd in the 90s with a cadre of good youngsters - Barkley, Coleman, Stones, McCarthy plus one or two more to come through; if we keep them together for five years, we could go from strength to strength.

As for Barkley, I reckon we have one more season to convince him that EFC is worth staying with.

Mike Childs
44 Posted 08/06/2014 at 19:57:36
John a standing ovation for post 40.

Roger (43), I dont recall any trouble caused by the loanee to disrupt the team ethos last year. As far as structure and rhythm, every year is a new year and every year teams have to introduce new players into the team, so I dont see the disruption there either. I do agree we have a great core that, if we can hang onto and add to, were going places that team hasnt been to in ages.

Jimmy-Åge Sørheim
45 Posted 08/06/2014 at 20:07:32
I think we should get every single youngster to commit to the club that they will stay no matter what from early on.

I would make it an unspoken rule of loyalty and dicipline.

Moyes could not handle that but I think Martinez can inspire the new youngsters to do just that.

The whole point of producing your own youngsters is to keep them.

Darren Hind
46 Posted 08/06/2014 at 19:56:42

I agreed with most of what you said and not for the first time I finished reading your post laughing, . .but theres something I dont see - which no doubt some will find, err. . "baffling"

If Martinez had decided to spend the 9 million on a permanent signing what makes you think hed have signed A Rickity Van Duffswinkle ? I mean, hes a smart guy. A man who clearly has contacts. The chances are he would have signed a player who was still worth 9M, perhaps even more?

Im not crticising Martinez for using the loan system. The guy works for Kenwright ffs - but there is a gamble in using other clubs players on a short-term basis too. If we get to the Champions League, the gamble pays, but if we dont, all we are left with is a hard luck story and three gaping holes in our squad.

I applauded the signings at the time so Im not going to start shoutin that Martinez was wrong he wasnt; the gamble needed to be taken but, well as the players in question did, we have to accept that, that 9 m is now spunked money and we are back where we started.

Paul Andrews
47 Posted 08/06/2014 at 20:32:50
Like Kone
Darren Hind
48 Posted 08/06/2014 at 20:40:56
Kone is still here and therefore has a realistic chance of contributing to our future.

And if we sold him, we at least have a chance of getting SOMETHING back.

Paul Andrews
51 Posted 08/06/2014 at 20:56:26
Time for the second half of soccer aid.

I would take Paddy McGuiness on a 12-month loan if the wages were not too high.

Jim Stephens
52 Posted 08/06/2014 at 19:50:55
On the topic - dont see what the fuss is about loan players. Martinez wouldnt have thought Ill just keep repeating loans in the hope it works. He knows to get a team capable of challenging will, with our budget, take 4-6 transfer windows to get the right permanent signings.

So the loan system is there to support us in the meantime, provoke a bit of a buzz around the club with the right loans, and make it easier to attract said permanent players. So whats the big deal and angst? We should sign a championship winning team in the space of 12 months?? Really?

Off topic - trading places is amazing Yeah!

Dick Brady
53 Posted 08/06/2014 at 21:02:06
I do understand the benefits of the loan system but I just feel it is a bad idea for a club of Evertons size to rely to heavily on it. The loan system is most beneficial for the clubs loaning out the players.

Aside from the fact that the loan system enables big clubs to stock-pile young players, its also unfair giving an advantage to those big clubs.

For example, Mourinho doesnt rate Lukaku, so he sends Lukaku to Everton. Hell claim that move is to develop Lukaku into a better player but really what Mourinho is hoping is that Lukaku will inspire Everton to take points off of Chelseas rivals.

So Lukaku plays against Liverpool, Man Utd, Arsenal and Man City and Everton take quite a few points off of those teams. But of course he cant play against Chelsea.

Chelsea effectively are cleverly inserting players into teams they dont consider rivals in an attempt to make them better so they can take points off of Chelseas rivals.

How is that fair???

Im sorry but that is not fair. Thats called cheating. Lukaku helping to take points off of Arsenal but not being able to play against Chelsea is cheating.

I do not like the loan system. I think it can be useful for developing young players (Luke Garbutt improved no end at Colchester) but I feel loans should only be allowed to happen when the teams are in different leagues or different countries.

Loaning players to teams you are supposedly competing against is wrong and hands a massive advantage to the teams with big money who can stock-pile players.

John Daley
54 Posted 08/06/2014 at 21:37:47

The 9m figure was just in there because I think it was around the figure Norwich foolishly frittered away on the Dutch danger man come Danger Mouse. I wasnt suggesting the players Martinez brought in on loan cost the club that same amount.

I was simply seeking to counter the assumption that a permanent signing somehow safeguards the future of the club, whilst a loan signing flushes it down the shitter.

Youre right that, in an ideal world, a quality striker who would prove successful, signed on a permanent deal, would be preferable to, say, Lukaku on loan for a year but, we know from past experience, that tricks a lot harder to pull of than it seems.

I mean, when was the last time we actually got one who found the net regularly for more than a few months? Probably Yakubu before he completed his transformation into Clay Davis from The Wire ("I gotta run? Sheeeeeiiit!"). Even then, he only gave us one good season and was eventually packed off (winched away is probably more accurate) at a massive loss.

Dick Brady
55 Posted 08/06/2014 at 21:28:05
My other problem with the loan system, from an Everton point of view, is that its short-term benefits create a long-term problem.

We finished above Liverpool the previous two seasons and I enjoyed every single moment of it. Now this past season was terrific but, if there was a sour note, its that Liverpool finished above us.

So next season I want us to regain our crown as Merseysides Highest Finishing Club. And thats not going to be easy.

Already Liverpool have strengthened. Rickie Lambert and that German lad have improved Liverpools squad already and I get the impression thats just the start of it.

Everton on the other hand have lost two of their best players (Lukaku, Barry) and one very good squad player (Deulofeu). So already Evertons squad is three very good players down (four if you want to count Traore). So without question Evertons squad is weaker than it was last month.

So in theory Roberto has to find two players capable of being amongst Evertons best and one very good squad player just to get us back to where we were a month ago.

While Liverpool have strengthened already, Roberto needs three pretty superb players just to get the squad back to where it was.

Talk about being counterproductive. Roberto certainly has his work cut out for him. First he needs three superb players to get us back to square one and then he needs two or three further superb players to improve us.

Effectively Roberto needs to find 5 or 6 top class players this summer if he wants to have a better squad.

Malcolm Joyner
56 Posted 08/06/2014 at 21:31:42
The integrity of the Prem is undermined by the ability of the loaning club to bar players theyve loaned out from playing against them but not against their immediate rivals.

But who the feck understands integrity in the bear pit that is football. It should be re-named Dodgeball!

Jim Lloyd
57 Posted 08/06/2014 at 23:08:15

The loans that Roberto made last year helped us to the edges of a top four place. Yes, Geris gone and Rommy may well have as well. Barry might become a permanent fixture... and maybe Rommy will as well. Without Barry at the back and Rommys goals, we would not have finished 55th.

I dont think Robbie is a devotee of the loan system; I think its blindingly obvious that he is strapped for cash (unless Bill wins the pools). So it seems to me that he would rather be able to buy the players he wants so that we can get back above Liverpool. But he cant. Some of the young lads might come in and do a great job but in my opinion that is asking an awful lot of young lads.

So, without the funds to match the usual suspects, we will struggle to get any further than we are doing.

As for Ross, hes a young lad in a game where things can change overnight. I dont think its a matter of us not selling the lad, although teams will be queuing up for him. I think its more a matter of him thinking shall I stick with the club I support, even if we dont win anything, or should I go to a club that will be winning trophies most years. It would be hard for anyone to refuse that future.

As for Gerrard being loyal... thats one way of putting it.

Robbie Shields
59 Posted 09/06/2014 at 04:27:10
As for Barkley, we have a footballing genius on our hands, despite some muppets on here saying they couldnt see what the fuss was about Barkley over the past 24 months. We all know who you are, the usual suspects and theyve been proved to be completely found out...... Again.

Now, Martinez will build a team around Barkely. Hes already said that Goodison is the best place for him at this stage of his career and I agree 100%. That wasnt the case with Rooney as OFM didnt have a clue in an attacking and creative sense! It was beyond his abilities.

Ross seems a really down-to-earth, level-headed, dyed-in-the-wool blue, who loves the club, its supporters, the Manager, the players and the coaching staff. Hes 20 years old. Hell give us another 2 or 3 years minimum to build a team around us, get us in the Champions League and win something. If that doesnt happen then hell move on to Madrid or Barcelona for a huge fee.

If we progress as we all hope, theres a chance Ross will stay for a bit longer, but realistically hell be leaving at 25 or 26 unless Martinez has built a dynasty around him: Stones, Coleman, McCarthy etc by then.

I cant see Ross kicking up a fuss to leave anytime soon and Martinez wont cash in on him, hes a football visionary and dreamer like most of us on here. Dont panic, these are great times to be a blue and its only going to get better!!!!

Tom Bowers
60 Posted 09/06/2014 at 05:52:48
Sadly Ross will leave unless Everton quickly get the kind of sponsorship that the other top teams have had for years. It’s all about money and a footballer’s life can be cut short through injury so I have no problem with a player going to the highest bidder.

I do believe that RM however has a great nucleus of players to build on and that, coupled with his quality management, can only serve to build this club into a viable contender. Obviously there will be changes to the roster this next season but we as fans have no reason to believe that the Blues will not improve even without Lukaku and Barry. The kind of football they were playing was more than a match for most teams and that was all down to RM and his coaching techniques.

Whilst it is great to see our boys in the England team, especially Barkley, I would sooner he sees little playing time preferring him to come back for the new season fully fit and refreshed. By the next World Cup he will be an automatic choice as Hodgson and his blue eyed boys (Gerrard etc) will be gone.

Matt Traynor
61 Posted 09/06/2014 at 06:10:23
Some really good responses here. For me though, Kevin Tully nails it. We’re Blue Bill’s toy, and he sold his interests to third parties who have no fucks to give about where we are. If someone offers the asking price for Ross, he’ll be gone, painted as "agitating" for the move etc.

Some Blues still trust Bill cos he’s "one of us". And he did promise he wouldn’t sell Rooney for 50M his words, and to be fair, he didn’t.

But as long as we’re doing okay in the league, any form of protest by the Blue Union and their ilk is "Koppite behaviour" apparently.

I seriously have given up. I’ll just focus on watching the football from now on.

Carl Sanderson
62 Posted 09/06/2014 at 09:10:41
Barkley will leave. Get used to it now and you will save yourself a disappointing surprise in 12 months’ time.
Eugene Ruane
63 Posted 09/06/2014 at 11:45:34
Carl (62) - "Barkley will leave. Get used to it now and you will save yourself a disappointing surprise in 12 months’ time"

Agree completely.

It astonishes me the amount of blues STILL seemingly prepared to close their eyes to the reality of who runs our club (and how) and to simply cross their fingers and allow wishful thinking to take over.

The blindingly obvious and the reality is that our business model is we sell our best players to keep the wolf from the door that’s it.

Personally I’ll be made up if we have Barkley for another 12 months.

Brian Harrison
64 Posted 09/06/2014 at 12:31:25
Sadly it has become the norm that, if we produce a player of quality, the only question is how long before he leaves. I don’t think Ross will be the only player to leave: I can see clubs wanting Coleman and Stones. We as fans might wish it to be different but money talks... when the monied clubs come calling all we can hope for is to get the best price we can.

I am lucky I can remember when Everton were the club who could buy anyone they fancied, so I don’t suppose we can grumble now that our finances can’t compete with the richer clubs in our league.

Sam Hoare
65 Posted 09/06/2014 at 12:37:19
I think the minimum Ross will be here for is another year longer. The maximum is probably about three years unless either he performs badly or we start getting into the CL.

If I was Bill I’d be thinking at least hold onto him until the 2016 Euros, by which time he will hopefully be established for England and as a PL star. With the premium on superstars ever rising if he lives up to all expectation, he might be the first player to be sold for over 100m!

Ste Traverse
66 Posted 09/06/2014 at 12:56:05
If Ross turns out to be the player many think he will be, he will shoot straight into a 150,000-200,000 bracket a week player.

Under the current shitbags currently residing in our boardroom are we ever going to afford that? Not a chance.

Sadly unless something major changes with that gang of muppets, he will be sold.

Raymond Fox
67 Posted 09/06/2014 at 12:45:30
All the ’money clubs’ will be in for Ross this summer, add Coleman and Stones to the list also.

I’m not saying we will sell them, but you can bet your bottom dollar that there will be inquiries of how much do the club want for these players.

Problem for us is if a player WANTS to go for substantially more wages and straight into CL side, what do you do?

Clive Lewis
68 Posted 09/06/2014 at 13:15:30
Francis Jeffers comes to mind.
Paul Andrews
69 Posted 09/06/2014 at 13:18:58
Time will tell; my own opinion is he will be with us for 2 more seasons.
Patrick Murphy
70 Posted 09/06/2014 at 13:15:00
We could always cash in on our young players Barkley, Stones and Coleman and then loan them back... perfect solution? Only joking.

If the board decide to sell any or all of those youngsters, not only will we lose any opportunity of building a side that can last for a few years, but we as a club will be admitting that we are no longer to be considered as CL hopefuls and will have joined the ranks of the other also-rans whose only ambition is to retain their place in the Premier League.

Alan Williams
71 Posted 09/06/2014 at 13:45:37
I don’t understand why Everton selling a potentially good player on the open market for what would be a massive price tag is so unreasonable and why the success of this is turned around into people attacking the board. We have always sold top players from Alan Ball, Lineker to Rooney on the latter two, we actually progressed higher in the league once they had departed.

Everton no longer sit at the top table when it comes to revenue and advancement in the modern game and, yes, the current board have made mistakes but, all in apart from Kings Dock all the other financial gains lost still wouldn’t have bridged the current gap.

People seriously need to have a reality check on what is expected from the Everton board; we have kids season tickets for just 95, we have a community charity that is record-breaking, we have a ladies set up doing well at all levels, Under-18s national champions and we have just hit our highest points total in the EPL and again Season ticket sales selling at the highest level for a decade. If, as a business, Everton are offered anything above 50 million for Ross Barkley, then we seriously need to look at the benefits this may bring... like the basis of our deposit for a new stadium.

The situation of whether we sell him or not will be determined strictly by how much is offered for him simple and is no different than the Bale saga at Spurs. It’s all about how we progress moving forward and not what we did 10 years ago; if he stays, we have to take advantage of the exposure and cash-in off the field; if we sell, we must invest the vast majority of the sale price into a new stadium and not more players. The future of our club is at stake and it’s the owner’s responsibility to cash in at the right time and re-invest the money.

I’m told the EFC debt has been reduced to 12 million (but again, that’s not official). However, for us to get closer to that top tier of earners, where the trophies go, we would have a far better chance on paper selling Ross for big money and using that money for a new larger stadium that can yield us much greater long-term returns than one player staying at the club.

Eugene Ruane
72 Posted 09/06/2014 at 14:50:14
Alan Williams "Yes, the current board have made mistakes but..."

Stopped reading here... as I do in every post that contains the same/similar apologist nonsense.

(See post 70 for a bit of sense).

David O'Keefe
73 Posted 09/06/2014 at 15:23:16
Alan Williams: As you are a member of the SMT at EFC, is there a 30 million pound black hole in the stadium funding? I ask as you suggested using the monies raised from the sale of Ross Barkley for such a purpose.

As the board didn’t state who the partners are in the new stadium project at the AGM, citing confidentiality while briefing the press... Who are they?

Brian Harrison
74 Posted 09/06/2014 at 15:24:53
I think the problem we have is that as a business we have a turnover of just over 80 million and wages for players and staff amount to roughly 75% of the turnover. So, other than a new owner coming in and prepared to spend massively, I can’t see how things can change. We have a young side capable of doing well for the next 7/8 years with one or two good additions, but our biggest challenge is holding on to these talented youngsters.

I would like to hear, given our present turnover and outlay, other than a new owner, how fans would spend what is left. Yes, the Kitbag deal was terrible but as I understand that has still got many years to run so we are stuck with it.

Iain Johnston
75 Posted 09/06/2014 at 16:11:02
Brian our turnover was 117M with just over 50% in wages, the 86M turnover is well out of date as it includes the sale of Rodwell...

This season we earned over 89M in TV revenue. Cardiff earned more money this season than Man Utd did for winning the league last year...

This is the issue: for the board to say we are skint now is a lie.

Jim Lloyd
76 Posted 09/06/2014 at 17:28:42
"Why Everton must never sell Ross Barkley"

This bloody board is likely to see him go, sooner rather than later. One; because they will, as some excellent posts have already pointed out, be tempted to cash him in; and I wouldn’t be surprised to see Seamas and Stonesy be put up for auction as well.

Two, Even if he isn’t sold this year, we might get a couple of seasons out of him and if there’s no big investment forthcoming, I couldn’t blame him for going to a club where he’s much more likely to get the medals and recognition I think he’ll deserve.

I think that Roberto will make more good use of the loan system because he’ll have to if we want to see Everton contesting for Europe and domestic cups on a regular basis.

Alan Williams
77 Posted 09/06/2014 at 17:34:47

Then you will never ever move on with any thought process based on the future of EFC. As fans, we think differently than we would as businessmen but realistically it’s the next P&L account that matters not the missed opportunity from 10 years ago. You don’t need to change your opinion of our custodians but you need to look what can be achieved here and now.

David, please explain "SMT @ Everton", if it’s the derogatory term then I don’t get what your saying at all, paranoid at best of everything people post.

Brian Harrison
78 Posted 09/06/2014 at 19:01:29

The latest accounts published for season 2012-13 showed a turnover of 86.4 million which produced an operating profit of 0.74 million; this does not include any transfers either in or out.

Dick Brady
79 Posted 09/06/2014 at 19:41:44
I used to love the young players at Everton. I had so much faith in them and honestly believed they were future of our club.

Francis Jeffers hurt me when he joined Arsenal. Michael Ball (who I believed would be Everton’s long-term Captain) hurt me further when he joined Rangers. But then along came Wayne Rooney. And that fucker broke my heart.

Wayne said all the right things; Once a Blue, Always a Blue, we were told he had Everton wallpaper in his bedroom. This kid loved Everton and was going to be a legend for our club.

But then Rooney left Everton at while still only a teenager. Wayne Rooney the Everton legend left Everton after just a couple of seasons. Wayne Rooney who many predicted would break all Everton records left Everton after scoring just 17 goals for the club.

Wayne Rooney destroyed me and I’ve never had faith in young players since. I’ve never believe in a young player again.

Jack Rodwell came and went and I honestly didn’t care.

Ross Barkley, John Stones? I’d rather give my admiration to Leon Osman because he won’t break my heart.

Rooney changed me. I’ll never let a young player hurt me again.

Iain Johnston
80 Posted 09/06/2014 at 20:26:08
Brian, that’s over 12 months ago; this years figures were published in May, I think Lyndon did a thread on it...

The 2012-13 season merit payments for final league positions were worth just over 700k; in 2013-14 they are worth 1.2m and for next season, the TV pool revenue from sky, BT and worldwide goes into orbit...

Cardiff City earned more than 64m...! The RS earned the most, 97.5m from the media alone, 2m more than City, because most of their away games were televised...

Both Euro trophies have had their money increased from next season too. The EL cash has doubled, the CL TV money is frightening... Loose all your group games...? No problem if your an English club, here’s 45m...!

Bottom line is we have the money to offer Ross any contract... If he is worth it of course.

Martin Anderson
81 Posted 09/06/2014 at 21:18:03
It really hurt when Rooney left because he had committed so volubly for the Blues, but I haven’t really heard anything much in that respect from Ross. He has come through our system, but obviously shy on camera and not good with words.

But this makes me wonder: just how he would feel if say a Spanish giant offered 100 mill for him (or the Filth)? Ok, his agent would be all over it and advising him to leave for an extra 100k/week (powerful argument!), but would he?!

ps: I actually think it would be great to get Rodwell back; Eto’o or Barry... hmmmmm?!

Eugene Ruane
82 Posted 09/06/2014 at 22:39:22


Patrick Murphy
83 Posted 09/06/2014 at 22:59:47
Doesn’t say much for the organisation or security if you can leave one of your squad behind does it? What if Ross had been kidnapped by a buck-toothed Uruguayan with a bandaged knee? England’s World Cup hopes could have been scuppered.
Raymond Fox
84 Posted 09/06/2014 at 23:03:38
Phil Sammon
85 Posted 09/06/2014 at 23:06:11
’An eye-witnesses said: "I heard someone say ’we’ve left someone behind’. Locals were shouting ’what kind of player oversleeps for their first training session?’." ’


I love to know just how many locals were shouting that. I’d wager none.

Patrick Murphy
86 Posted 09/06/2014 at 23:10:18
What kind of Captain lets one of the junior members of the squad go missing and the laugh like a hyena when he turns up.
Gerry Quinn
87 Posted 09/06/2014 at 23:15:14
Not very clever that, Ross get a grip, son.
Phil Bellis
88 Posted 10/06/2014 at 00:31:51
In another report, visitors replied "a tired one".
Jim Lloyd
89 Posted 10/06/2014 at 09:32:13
Bloody hell, Dick, you sound like a gold-hearted slapper who has been loved and let down time and time again! The reason Bally went was more to do with Walter Smith. Wayne, Jack Rodwell and Jeffers all went to clubs who offered us (and them) big money and we couldn’t refuse it. Nor could we offer the kids any vision of doing what Arsenal, Man Utd or Man City can, ie, win things!

I think it’s an unfortunate result of being from a club who for decades has shown little ambition. I don’t blame the youngsters for going. Just maybe now, we have a manager who can entice young players to stay and be part of a club that’s on the up.

We still have a board, in my humble opinion, whose directors either can’t or won’t put sufficient funds into the club. So, the chances are, that young players will still leave EFC if Roberto can’t produce a winning formula from meagre ingredients.

John Daley
90 Posted 10/06/2014 at 10:34:22
Today the Sun can exclusively reveal that the Barkley bus incident was not the sole example of slovenly Everton players letting ’the nation’ down whilst on World Cup duty in ’Chicks with Nuts’ central.

After a thorough inspection of all hotel bathrooms, it was discovered that Leighton Baines had took a dump that, according to our in-house faeces professional, turned out to be one of those ’Bobbie Brown’s’ that stubbornly refuse to flush.

In his haste to be on time for the team bus, Mr Baines forgot to go back and have a second go at getting rid of the rancid floater, thereby forcing horrified hotel staff to have to clear up his mess.

The traumatised cleaner told our reporter how she was forced to stand and flush, four times in quick succession, as she watched the naughty little left-back’s log whirl about in the pan, seemingly disappear and then suddenly bob its head back up above the water with a sly wink. "Eet wasa horrible. Likea the bita at the end ofa ’Friday the 13th’ where Jason jumpers outa the fucking lake."

Witnesses to the incident were heard to mutter ’dirty bastard!’.

Colin Glassar
91 Posted 10/06/2014 at 10:42:18
JD, Stonesy has been caught picking his nose and Jags was rumoured to have scratched his balls in, according to The Scum, "in an overly enthusiastic manner"!

The rags have nothing better to do so they have to have a go at the players who replaced their idols: i.e. Jags/JT - Bainsey/Cole. They’re still in mourning for Beckham, ffs.

ps: I’m surprised there’s not a Fifa-related thread what with all these allegations of corruption and the possibility that it might extend to Uefa as well.

Brent Stephens
92 Posted 10/06/2014 at 11:37:13
John Daley #90, superb! Shit myself laughing.
James Stewart
94 Posted 10/06/2014 at 15:55:13
Don’t agree at all Dick. Does Ross deserve a 150k a week contract yet? No. Will he in the future? Probably, yes. We paid bloody Gareth Barry 120k per week this season so I don’t see why we couldn’t afford 150k for Ross when the time comes. He has a great chance of winning silverware here. Just as much of a chance as Gerrard did in a poor RS side. Make him our next Captain.

Gerrard was telling him to stay at Everton for life not so long ago. With the new TV money, we can offer Barkley whatever anyone else can. It baffles me why there is even a debate on whether to sell him or not.

Thomas Surgenor
95 Posted 10/06/2014 at 16:04:09
What’s to say that Roberto didn’t assess the squad and say;
"we need 8 players, in these positions, to have a squad that can challenge for champions league and play my style"

Then BK gave him his budget, and he could only make that budget strech to 5.
So without diluting the quality of player he wanted to bring in, he said ’’Right I’ll bring in 5 permanent and 3 stop gaps on loan"

So basically he brought in the additonal 3 players on loan, with the intent of using next seasons budget to purchase (other) players for those positions.

Win Win, Thinking a year ahead... getting the 3 positions we need filled a year in advance to allow the current squad to transition to Robertos style. Now this summer, he will bring in 3 permanent replacements already up to speed with whats required of them.

I’m not sure I’m getting my point accross well here, so hopefully someone will understand what I’m trying to say.

But basically, Roberto needed 8 players to fit his style. He could maybe have brought in Lukaku last year as a permanent deal... but then he wouldnt have been able to get the other 7?!
So it would have been a 2 year transistion to get the team to play his style. As he would have to have waited until this summer to fill the other 7 positions.

Roberto was thinking ahead.

We ALL know what is expected now of whoever fills Gareth Barrys position.
Even the replacement will know why he has been selected.

We ALL know what sorta striker we are looking for and the movement/holdup play that is expected of them.

The loans allowed us to fasttrack the tranistion to Robertos style.

Tony Abrahams
96 Posted 10/06/2014 at 17:40:08
Apparently Ross said he would sooner watch Bainsey’s shite, than listen to Woy talking it.

Alan Williams 71, so after all these years were still looking for a deposit on a new stadium?

Kenwright has told us twice that the money for a new ground has been Ringed Fenced. Cynical me mate, but if the debts getting lowered with this new telly money, what have I got to say to kid these gullible fuckers, for a few more years?

Blue Bill is the man who said that The Arabs looked at Everton before Man city, and if he was telling the truth for once, then he should have been lynched. Because only for his Ringed Fenced money disappearing, we would have had the new stadium, these said people suppossedly required?

Raymond Fox
97 Posted 10/06/2014 at 20:26:47
Thomas, nice theory, but I think you’ve lapsed into the realms of fantasy somewhat. Einstein couldn’t devise that process, never mind Roberto!

John, bloody hilarious pal, and Colin nice follow up mate.

Wayne Smyth
98 Posted 10/06/2014 at 20:26:46
Thomas I understand what you’re on about, that is what I reckon Martinez is doing and that is what I’d do myself in his position.

We’ve got a nucleus of a great young side who are really talented. I’d expect Martinez to add a couple of faces each year about the age of stones & barkley and perhaps get some experienced faces in too on loan, or use the loan system to look at some potential youngsters we can eventually purchase.

As for Barkley himself, I think to make big money off him we’d need to be a prominent club in the media, playing the big competitions. He also needs quality players around him to really flourish.

CL football is not far away. We need a bit of a lucky season or we need to improve our squad a fair bit. Fortunately in Martinez we have one of the best managers around and he will be given the stability needed to compete with richer clubs.

CL football and the cash it brings is the only way we’re going to be able to afford the wages that superstar players will demand.

Jimmy-Åge Sørheim
99 Posted 10/06/2014 at 20:56:55
Barkley is FAR from being the top quality player everybody rants on about.

Hodgson is right in his assessment of Barkley, he loses the ball, dribbles himself into losing the ball and he needs to score more goals to be a top attacking midfielder.

He also is inconsistent so I think he knows it himself that he needs to stay at Everton a few more years before making it anywhere else.

My main point is Barkley is more loyal then Rooney ever was, and Barkley will stay unless he is forced out.

Raymond Fox
100 Posted 10/06/2014 at 22:08:06
So your on speaking terms with Ross are you Jimmy?

Where have you been, while our superb manager and players have been setting new records?

Ste Traverse
101 Posted 10/06/2014 at 22:42:39
James Stewart #94

We didn’t pay Gareth Barry anywhere near 120,000 a week as Man City were still paying a large chunk of his wages.

Gerry Quinn
102 Posted 11/06/2014 at 21:22:09
...and why do you keep changing your surname Jimmy?
Dave Ryan
103 Posted 12/06/2014 at 14:22:47
I don’t understand why so many people on here are so negative. We have nothing to feel depressed about after the last 10 years of dross that we’ve been served. RM hasn’t even had a year yet to mould the club into his style and this is the best season I can remember as an Evertonian.

Stop the negativity and get just enjoy the football.

David Ellis
105 Posted 19/06/2014 at 07:56:50
The board does not take any money out of the club, their sin is that they don’t pump money into it, and possibly prevent others from doing so by not selling on.

But this idea that the board wants to "cash in" on a player is nonsense. We sell when we have to i.e. when the player wants to leave and is offered a great salary that we do not want to match in particular if it causes disquiet with the other players on the payroll. With the current TV deal we really do not need to sell players to stay afloat... but we do need to keep a lid on salaries to stop sliding into a loss-making position year after year.

It is the salaries on offer to a player like Barkley that will lead him to leave eventually. However, I hope we can keep him for at least 5 years so that he can make his mark on the club and win things for us and, if he does that, then maybe we can afford to pay the salary to keep him.

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