The Catalan was sacked in May following a horrendous run of results that had the Blues on course for a second successive bottom-half finish but the club were bound by the terms of the contract extension he signed in 2014 to pay up the remainder of his term.
The report claims that the final sum was set at somewhere between £10m and £11m by an independent panel, a compromise at less than the £12m owed.
Martinez has since been appointed the manager of Belgium and there were some commentators who believed that his relatively swift return to management might make him ease his severance demands from Everton but that does not appear to have been the case.
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1 Posted 08/09/2016 at 23:51:02
Do we have lawyers that can read or are they more of the same leftovers from cheapskate Bill and his cronies?
Kenwright should be hanged from the fucking Top Balcony. He should pay for that.
Enough is enough. In-D-fucking-fensible.
2 Posted 09/09/2016 at 01:27:18
Is there never anything written into contracts about performance levels that can be actually measured and if you don't meet those levels, goodbye and good riddance without compensation?
What incentive is there to perform under such circumstances? You win when you lose, as we usually did under him... depressing and angering.
3 Posted 09/09/2016 at 01:31:11
5 Posted 09/09/2016 at 01:47:47
6 Posted 09/09/2016 at 01:53:03
7 Posted 09/09/2016 at 02:03:08
8 Posted 09/09/2016 at 02:08:34
Martinez is a fucking great salesman regarding his own abilities, good luck to him, should have been a timeshare sales tit, he would have cleaned up.
9 Posted 09/09/2016 at 02:27:48
This happens in football all of the time. It's so obvious that it's not just us. Players and managers are signed to long contracts to stop them walking away for nothing. If either party breaks that then the other is compensated.
The crime was giving Martinez a long contract, but that's with hindsight. We'll do it again many, many times over. Sometimes we'll win, sometimes we'll lose.
10 Posted 09/09/2016 at 02:33:51
We're competing for staff. We can't just dictate strong terms if they have other options.
11 Posted 09/09/2016 at 02:43:43
It works both ways. No doubt the club benefited from the "enhanced" contract John Stones signed. You can bet your bottom dollar there were more benefits to Everton than his original one. It's business unfortunately.
12 Posted 09/09/2016 at 03:20:15
Martinez should be ashamed to accept a sum like this as the price of his own ineptitude and failure. The normal people who paid to watch the dross he served up every week as manager won't earn that much in a lifetime. He never needs to work again if he so chooses. Morally indefensible.
13 Posted 09/09/2016 at 03:38:22
We need to find out who wrote up Moyes's contract at Man Utd and hire them.
I can see Kenwright as a character in VIZ... Kenwright's Kock-ups... Jolly Japes from the 'Chairman Chump' of Everpool Academicals 'He's one of us you know!'
Only at Everton...
14 Posted 09/09/2016 at 03:44:24
15 Posted 09/09/2016 at 03:57:14
16 Posted 09/09/2016 at 04:11:25
17 Posted 09/09/2016 at 04:14:20
Would love to sit in on some of these contract negotiations.
18 Posted 09/09/2016 at 04:17:26
The key one was them qualifying for the Champions League, which is why he was not sacked until it was mathematically impossible for them to do that.
Seems we were not as thoughtful?
"We can sack you with little compensation if you finish bottom half of the table"
"I don't accept that"
"Are you going to take us to the bottom half of the table?"
"No, of course not, we will be Champions League!"
"What's the problem then?"
19 Posted 09/09/2016 at 05:15:10
20 Posted 09/09/2016 at 05:17:16
We had a series of articles explaining how Moshiri was angry and was demanding answers, then we had the Kenwright mouthpiece Dominic King telling us in the Mail how Everton values that fans had grown to love were changing, how everything is now for short-term gain and placed the blame for the deadline day transfer shambles firmly at the feet of Steve Walsh.
Now we have this piece by Lawton & Keegan putting Kenwright in a not too favourable light. Looks to me like these Journalists are getting briefed by different people... I wonder who that could be?
21 Posted 09/09/2016 at 05:37:42
22 Posted 09/09/2016 at 06:09:56
Only one issue with that. Martinez probably didn't feel he had failed and I doubt ever will.
23 Posted 09/09/2016 at 06:16:56
Still, at least Moshiri's money has come to good use after the frustration of Deadline Day. Without his investment I can't see how we could have afforded to change managers at this point regardless of how poor results and performance were getting.
24 Posted 09/09/2016 at 06:19:14
26 Posted 09/09/2016 at 06:22:02
Mind you it could have been a lot worse. We could have saved £10.5m and kept Martinez! Getting rid at that price, or even double, seems like good business to me.
Given he has just schmoozled himself into another high reward position, a donation to EitC or Alder Hey would be nice. But I doubt that will happen...
27 Posted 09/09/2016 at 06:40:40
Martinez is a bad memory, that we can now erase from our collective consciousness. He's Belgium's problem now.
28 Posted 09/09/2016 at 06:40:42
29 Posted 09/09/2016 at 07:16:27
30 Posted 09/09/2016 at 07:18:28
31 Posted 09/09/2016 at 07:22:00
Sam Allardyce has done very little of note and is suddenly the new England manager. Imagine his ego now. They could easily have given the job to Tony Pulis by the same reasoning.
32 Posted 09/09/2016 at 07:27:13
This compensation was effectively to ensure we got a "good return" on him when the "big boys" came calling. Unfortunately as we all know, it went the other way and we had to pay it out.
Moyes wasn't required to have the same clauses in his Man Utd contract. It was highly unlikely Bayern etc would come poach him. So instead United had "failure clauses" inserted making it easy for them to get rid.
Ya know, Moyes probably had a very similar contract to Martinez while at us and that was why he ran it down so that United hadn't to pay.
Kenwright would most definitely have kept Martinez to run down that contract a little more while we offered him around to other clubs and "waived" the compensation due. That was the only way Kenwright knew. The cost saving way.
Moshiri took prompt action to improve our immediate standing while fully aware of the required compensation; this is evidence the club has now moved forward and that he won't suffer poor performance. I fully expect to see Kenwright phased out of the club in the next 2 years. He is only around to help Moshiri decipher the mess he is taking over, keep things ticking over while Moshiri focuses on the bigger projects (stadium) and, in return, BK gets one last horray and a nice profit. I don't believe Moshiri will suffer this fool much longer.
33 Posted 09/09/2016 at 07:36:14
What amazes me is that he's walked straight into another job. Double bubble.
34 Posted 09/09/2016 at 07:43:55
In hindsight, if we knew we were going to have to pay that much then I think we should have put him onto "gardening leave". That way he would still be employed by us and if he wanted to leave he would have to accept a much lower payout â€“ or in theory none at all. In fact we would have been owed money.
I'm sure someone will correct me if I am wrong but didn't Rangers do something like that with Ally McCoist?
35 Posted 09/09/2016 at 07:46:29
36 Posted 09/09/2016 at 07:49:02
37 Posted 09/09/2016 at 07:53:09
Martinez may have failed in our eyes but an emloyment tribunal wouldn't have agreed.
He was always due to be paid off. He wasn't sacked. More fool Everton for not making his contract conditional.
39 Posted 09/09/2016 at 08:20:10
40 Posted 09/09/2016 at 08:22:58
However, he probably knows too much about the internal workings of the club to allow the matter into Court.
He is not getting what he's entitled to... he's getting the amount Everton are prepared to pay to keep him from revealing where the bodies are.
41 Posted 09/09/2016 at 08:24:01
If he had waited another six months, the true worth of Martinez as a manager would have been obvious.
When lots fans on here called Roberto a charlatan and a chancer, many on TW where so offended, but that is exactly what he is. Now we're paying the price.
42 Posted 09/09/2016 at 08:40:40
The quicker Billy Boy leaves Everton, the better... What a Chairman!
43 Posted 09/09/2016 at 08:44:38
This contract debacle sums up the ineptness of Kenwright and Elstone. If you're going to reward Martinez in such a big way with a new contract, then you have to protect the club by having a clause in there about paying him off for less if performance is poor. The fact that we didn't sums up the shambles that is Elstone and Kenwright.
44 Posted 09/09/2016 at 08:52:46
Moyes got about one year of his remaining contract when Man Utd sacked him I believe.
45 Posted 09/09/2016 at 09:01:09
As for these stories apportioning blame for the last throes of the TDD, it does seem that there is a power struggle going on at Goodison. Who knows what is really happening, but it seems that, as usual, we will be the last to know.
Luckily Koeman seems to be focussing on the games ahead, and we can hope for more progress on the park.
46 Posted 09/09/2016 at 09:07:24
47 Posted 09/09/2016 at 09:08:05
48 Posted 09/09/2016 at 09:09:42
Moyes had a 6-year deal at Man Utd, he was fired and was paid ٤m. That is a enough money for doing a bad job. How we managed to pay 㾶m+ for 2 years is unbelievable.
50 Posted 09/09/2016 at 09:23:26
And he and Elstone are still in charge of our transfer negotiations? Wtf is Moshiri thinking of? If I'd had to foot that pay-off bill, the only contract I'd let Kenwright near would be his severance contract! As others have said, why was Martinez not just put on gardening leave?
51 Posted 09/09/2016 at 09:48:35
52 Posted 09/09/2016 at 09:48:48
Power battle? I expect him to wipe the floor with the lot. Elstone to go asap. Bill Honourary President. Then leave us to be run properly.
53 Posted 09/09/2016 at 09:57:19
54 Posted 09/09/2016 at 09:57:29
Will be interesting to see what "legacy" he leaves the Club when he finally rides off into the distance. Possibly use part of his payout to buy back and give Finch Farm back to the Club?
55 Posted 09/09/2016 at 10:02:07
I think that's cheap.
56 Posted 09/09/2016 at 10:04:05
57 Posted 09/09/2016 at 10:17:33
58 Posted 09/09/2016 at 10:18:30
59 Posted 09/09/2016 at 10:34:46
60 Posted 09/09/2016 at 10:42:32
61 Posted 09/09/2016 at 10:53:21
Be good for one season -> Get a big long term contract -> Become bad and force to be fired -> Get a big pay-off -> Get another job -> Continue the cycle...
62 Posted 09/09/2016 at 10:57:37
On the transfer front, he bought Lukaku who is worth double the amount he was paid for. He also made Stones a centre back, that brought in just shy of £50 million when sold to City. Niasse was a big mistake, yet, £8 million of the money to buy Niasse came from selling Naismith to Norwich, who were relegated. Holgate looks a star in the making, who was also brought in by Martinez.
Martinez more than balanced the books at Everton, even when including his salary. More importantly, he kept Everton in the Premier League, whose tenure concluded with the sale of Everton to a billionaire. So, Martinez's days as manager of Everton was not all gloom and doom.
He also got Everton to the semis in both the FA Cup and League Cup last season. While in his first season, when Everton were 5th, secured the largest amount of points in an Everton season in the Premier League, which would have been good enough for 4th place in most seasons.
63 Posted 09/09/2016 at 11:00:00
All that for gross incompetence. Moyes's pay out at OT was so much less because Man Utd have top HR lawyers drawing up their contracts rather that showbizz luvies!
65 Posted 09/09/2016 at 11:36:48
66 Posted 09/09/2016 at 11:42:35
I don't blame the club but what transpired in the next 2 seasons will be his legacy as Everton manager. He turned us into Wigan but with better players!
It's worth paying him off just to be able to listen to our press conferences again. Looking at the present situation, we got a top manager Koeman (plus his brother) on the cheap!
68 Posted 09/09/2016 at 11:54:08
We re-evaluate the contract of a manager based on one season, up his terms and conditions, add extra years, and don't even consider protecting ourselves.
Then when he's failing miserably we give him cash to buy a striker, who is not only unfit to start games, but carrying a long term injury. To top all that, the striker is totally awful, so bad that the clown who bought him won't play him, and his predecessor won't even give him a squad number.
The things Moshiri needs to check on at us are the basics and fundamental parts of running any business, the contracts, the sponsors and so on, long before we start buying new players etc.
Our club needs shaking up and waking up.
69 Posted 09/09/2016 at 11:56:04
Following years of dereliction of duty, he needs to do the honourable thing and walk away and leave Moshiri with a clean deck to get on with running the Club.
70 Posted 09/09/2016 at 12:07:52
What a Chairman thank goodness for Koeman and Moshiri.
71 Posted 09/09/2016 at 12:08:34
At the time Martinez was fired, I recall the first public words from his 'side' were from his 'union' and remember thinking "ouch, this is going to hurt".
Kenwright and Elstone should be held liable and accountable for committing to such an unfavourable employment contract and exposing Everton and its shareholders to such unreasonable compensation.
72 Posted 09/09/2016 at 12:17:59
74 Posted 09/09/2016 at 12:34:11
75 Posted 09/09/2016 at 12:35:14
76 Posted 09/09/2016 at 12:37:06
77 Posted 09/09/2016 at 12:39:15
Moyes's departure was handled with far greater dignity by all concerned. Interesting contrast between them and, yes, I do realise Moyes let his contract run down and had another job lined up... still no "loyalty" bonus or the like.
Martinez comes across as snake oil salesman who got rumbled and took as much as he could lay his hands on when he left.
78 Posted 09/09/2016 at 13:02:15
There is so much money in PL football now that these sort of sums in payoffs will be par for the course. We finished 11th last season, hardly a massive failure, it was the style of play that put most TWebbers' backs up. If you give a guy a huge contract when things go well, then don't be surprised when it bites you on the arse if things turn sour.
79 Posted 09/09/2016 at 13:03:55
Cheapskate, olde tucke shoppe mentality Bill is going to trouser close on £50 million once the remainder of his shares are sold. Yet his lousy short-sighted mentality has dragged this club down for 20 years, he has been nothing but an anchor around the neck of the club during the golden years of Premier League prosperity.
Hopefully Kenwright's last involvement with Everton will prove to be the catastrophic hiring of Martinez, the man who took us backwards and I am convinced would have taken us down. Add the £10.75 million compensation to his 3 years salary (£9 million) and that comes to close on £20 million. Then add the appalling 5-year Niasse deal to the Martinez disaster, £13.5 million transfer fee plus his £2.5million a year salary, £12.5 million, a total £26 million liability for a "striker" and player we will be lucky to even give away. Thanks a lot Bill, Hiring Martinez has cost the club about £46 million!!
I do hope that Moshiri was using this transfer window to hand Kenwright and the suntan kid enough rope to hang themselves with. They should both be out of the door for the years of outrageous neglect in "running" our club.
80 Posted 09/09/2016 at 13:20:01
1) Appointing Martinez in the first place â€“ I did say this at the time -â€“ why appoint someone who has just got his team relegated?
2) Not firing him earlier;
3) Having to fork out a fortune even though Martinez was the worst manager since Mike Walker.
81 Posted 09/09/2016 at 13:24:45
82 Posted 09/09/2016 at 13:29:38
After taking Wigan down, if he was called Bob Martins and was from Leeds he would have been laughed out of town and had to drop 2 divisions to get another gig.
The opposite happened. Look and learn. Why, Roberto's teams try to play in the "right way". He talks of goal being a "great action", being in the "moment", "incredible intensity".
His failure resulted in him getting interviewed for 2 of the biggest jobs in the country here on Merseyside. We at Goodison then got to experience first hand Roberto's brand of football.
His first season was a successful one, well two-thirds of it, as he opened things up as that's how he likes to play. But also reaped the benefits of the previous regime who instilled in the squad everything that Roberto's reams are not: organised, disciplined, fit, resolute, spirited and worked for each other. You know they actually had a bit of shape and stuff. Could defend crosses.
What followed, and it seems the players were soon onto it as there were clearly problems in the dressing room from the start of the second season, was man way out of his depth. His sides are weak, disorganised, unfit, easy to play against, lack tempo in possession, predictable, are shocking from set pieces at both ends of the pitch, and are the easiest side you will ever see to counter. I could go on.
He also created a very unbalanced squad with no options or variety in mid, no cover at right back, failed to resolve left mid for 2 seasons straight, didn't get any strike cover for 2 seasons straight, indulged Howard to self defeating extremes and set the worst home record ever and honestly thought Alcaraz would cut it here.
83 Posted 09/09/2016 at 13:52:41
I want Bill out asap. I feel as long as he is here at the club, he's holding its back. Still find it unbelievable that he's involved in the transfers. Like he might have been good in the past when we had to wheel and deal, but now we don't have to.
Sounded like a bit of a dig from Koeman yesterday into what happened with the Sissoko talks that he wanted to come then didn't know what happened after that.
Did I see from someone that Moshiri taking a bigger stake in the club by Christmas and thus relieving Bill from his duties... I sincerely hope so.
85 Posted 09/09/2016 at 14:11:04
Mr Moshiri wont let this type of contract settlement repeat itself as he is a business man and savvy.
86 Posted 09/09/2016 at 14:13:11
Next thing Jim White will be on his knees in front of Jose & Pep. Sky wankers... and breathe.
87 Posted 09/09/2016 at 14:16:28
88 Posted 09/09/2016 at 15:04:48
As has been alluded to by Colin earlier and others elsewhere, if there is any sort of power battle going on behind the scenes, that will be bad news for all of us because when push comes to shove Bill always manages to get his own way. Remember Gregg and those others who have had the audacity to tell him what to do with his club?
It would be far better for Everton FC, if the whole of the board, old and new members could find a way to iron out any difficulties they may be having and present a united front. There is no hard evidence that anything is wrong at the moment but there are small things including the activity in the transfer market or lack of it, the return to the loans set against next years TV income, the bizarre statement and other communications with Jim White, the slow progress of operation makeover with Goodison's cladding and the Mayor in his recent audio interview with the Echo, gushing over Mr Moshiri but referring to Bill as 'Kenwright' rather than Mr Kenwright or Bill.
Most of what we know about Everton in recent months has been fed to the media, particularly to the local media, with nobody from the club taking any responsibility for the information which is published. It smacks of very poor PR but also has those of us with suspicious minds on alert as it would appear that those in power at the club do not appear to be singing from the same hymn sheet. We'll wait and see what transpires in the next few months, but at least from Monday onwards we can escape all of that and concentrate on the stuff that really matters to all of us, events on the pitch.
89 Posted 09/09/2016 at 15:16:46
Firstly, granted, he brought Lukaku in at £28M but last I looked he was still on the books and until we actually do sell him we haven't turned any profit on him and judging the apparent lack of interest at inflated prices over the summer there are no guarantees there at all. Let's put that aside though because I think we both agree that deal was good business.
But the we come onto Stones. How does Martinez take any credit for a profit there. Because he made him CB? Really? Stones was bought by Moyes as a RB who could also play CB which was clearly the intention for him longer term. Whatever money we got for him there is a strong argument that the lack of development/coaching/rubbish that came from Martinez meant that we could possibly have got a lot more for a high performing talent. So the simple act of selling him at a high price is just daft. In any case it was Koeman who realised that profit by your logic so I don't see how Martinez figures in those funds being in the "Credit" column. Similarly 8M for Naismith. What on earth has selling him at a good profit got to do with Martinez? He wasn't his signing and selling him and spunking all the cash plus a load more on Niasse cannot be seen as positive either in terms of football cover or good business.
Holgate (and Galloway) I will definitely give you those as examples of good business, similarly Barry. Jury is out for me on McCarthy and Besic, but not on McGeady or on salaries spunked away on Traore, Atsu etc, which will not have been insignificant.
But then in terms of League placings where I take issue again. "More importantly, he kept Everton in the premier league". Seriously? He took over the side that finished 6th the previous season and was consistently Top 6/7/8 previously and he was seriously backed with transfer funds in a way his predecessor was not, due to the timing of the new TV deal. Yeah he finished 5th but collapsed from a good position as his policies and influence took hold. You could also argue that the successive 4 place drops from say a reasonable expectation of 7th was a cost of around £11.2M in prize money, plus the mess he left behind which all takes money to fix in employing new staff plus his severance.
Sorry Steavey, not even near break-even for me and certainly not the positive book balancing you put forward.
The man was an unmitigated and near total disaster for Everton Football Club both on and off the field of play.
90 Posted 09/09/2016 at 15:33:49
Bill may have previously got his own way before when he had the influence over shares, but things have changed now. He simply can't get his own way over Moshiri even if he is capable of rallying his large block holding mates around. Which is doubtful even in itself as they would surely also see Bill's influence diminished with the transfer of his shares. Nobody could credibly back against Moshiri with 49.9% of shares and apparent options on more.
I don't know what the rumours of a power battle behinds scenes are but they are surely extremely unlikely. I posted a response to Phil Walling who raised similar fears moths ago that Bill was in charge and said that it couldn't really happen. Once Moshiri had decided something that Bill may not like it doesn't really matter anymore as he (Moshiri) now has real control whether Bill likes it or not. Whatever power Bill has at Everton is clearly through the discretion of Farhad Moshiri as the effective controller of share majority. Added to small shareholdings like mine I believe there is still a large block of shares held by Grantchesters and there is apparently no love lost for Bill there.
91 Posted 09/09/2016 at 15:37:19
Off the pitch, I expect we will remain in "business as usual" mode until Moshiri assumes majority ownership of the club and the final curtain falls on Kenwright's reign. Whenever that may be is anyone's guess.
However, can any of us blame Moshiri for holding off on sinking more personal investment into a business where Kenwright still maintains operational control?!
92 Posted 09/09/2016 at 15:40:11
And here's the coup de grace The same manager whose sides were on the receiving end of 2 of the worst performances in our club's history. I'll give you a clue, they play across Stanley Park And for that alone he will never be forgiven.
He should be paying the club £11 million not the other way round. An absolute impostor. Oh, and a liar to boot. Good riddance.
93 Posted 09/09/2016 at 15:44:08
We really need to put some performance related clauses into the contracts, ie, if you fail to finish in the top ten and are sacked the payment is ٣m, sacked when in the relegation zone and it's ٠.5m.
I guess the severance payment gives managers a little more job security in a highly cut throat game, but giving the guy 㾶m for two years of dross is the clubs fault!
94 Posted 09/09/2016 at 15:44:34
How much longer do we have to put up with Bill Kenwright?
The answer to that might just shed some light on the possibly upcoming journey.
95 Posted 09/09/2016 at 16:13:31
Saying that, Usmanov was supposed to be coming on board as well and that rumour seems to be gone cold.
96 Posted 09/09/2016 at 16:13:40
Until there is further change here, with new blood and a purging, as well as the shares finally changing hands it is possible that problems might persist.
Moshiri will know this and will now have first hand evidence of the ineptitude at the top of the club. If there is also a PR war going on as Colin said earlier, he will know what to do. So expect people changes before too long (I hope).
97 Posted 09/09/2016 at 16:20:04
But it was worth it. Drastic measures were taken to change the status quo. It was like being caught in a trap and having to cut your arm or leg off with a penknife.
But we are rid of the cause of our misery and it's only money! Blue Skies, nothing but Blue Skies all the way...
98 Posted 09/09/2016 at 16:41:06
100 Posted 09/09/2016 at 17:04:26
The game is awash with money but fortunes are going out of the English game year after year and it's to the demise of the English players and Managers and we as fans go along with it.
Martinez sacked, all kinds of shouts for foreign managers. Transfer window the same, all kinds of mercenaries being suggested, and so it goes on and on.
101 Posted 09/09/2016 at 17:18:26
I think Ronald can do it and we have to make sure we play our part in creating the right climate of support both at Goodison and away, starting on Monday.
102 Posted 09/09/2016 at 17:24:40
Good luck to Martinez. A smarter guy than we all think! Mr Kenwright won't be sleeping tonight! Add that to the fee paid to the striker from Russia and what a nightmare!
103 Posted 09/09/2016 at 17:32:35
In fact, read the comments on this thread and count how many were thrilled with the news at the time.
104 Posted 09/09/2016 at 17:36:19
105 Posted 09/09/2016 at 17:40:05
1. It's not just Everton who have to pay off their manager who got sacked. All clubs do it as a matter of course
2. It's not just in football where the top execs get paid off for incompetence. CEO's of corporates all get the same treatment.
No news here other than we're not used to letting our managers go until they're out of contract.
106 Posted 09/09/2016 at 17:48:42
I started to read the thread in your link, then had to stop because of the tears in my eyes.
Tears of despair!
107 Posted 09/09/2016 at 17:50:59
I suggest that all historic posts be irrecoverably deleted after 12 months.
108 Posted 09/09/2016 at 17:57:25
All credit to Martinez as he tried to change our style and bring top players in. Perhaps £million payout is fair with all the money in the Premier League.
109 Posted 09/09/2016 at 18:00:09
The fact he's already in another high paying job is salt in the wound and sickening really. If only he could have been kept on his contract but shifted to the under 9s or something!
110 Posted 09/09/2016 at 18:05:57
111 Posted 09/09/2016 at 18:25:46
I agree in the end he had to be sacked because he had lost the confidence of it seemed the majority of the fans, his position was untenable by then.
By the same token, where are fans expecting us to finish this season? It's all very well hoping we do well, but if you put any credence in the betting odds they have down as finishing 9th.
Does Koeman fail if he finishes 9th, for there's not much improvement on 11th!
112 Posted 09/09/2016 at 18:48:02
I certainly am, and in my view proven to be correct.
"To talk of unmitigated disaster though is stretching the truth is it not"
How so? Not at all in my view, he would have relegated us this season or next, I am convinced of that. The worst manager of Everton I have personally ever seen, and I saw pretty much every single one of Walker's games in charge before someone comes in saying I never watched him.
How can you not think the clown was not a disaster for us would be my counter? For me it beggars belief that there are apparently some who still think otherwise. We are still suffering the effects of his complete incompetence. I have identified that there were some decent signings on his watch (though Lukaku polarises opinion here more than any other Everton player I can recall), but then even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
Are you still pining for him Raymond?
113 Posted 09/09/2016 at 19:07:19
It was a noble gesture on Kenwright's part to tie what he thought was a great manager to the club but for it to be on a 5-year deal was an awful decision in retrospect.
Lucky we have a co-owner who will pay this compensation and that of Koeman and Walsh without blinking.
114 Posted 09/09/2016 at 19:09:42
In 45 years of watching football I've not come across anything as unfathomable as his appointment as Belgian boss. He may have left with 㾶 million but he will be the richest oaf in football in most people's opinion.
115 Posted 09/09/2016 at 19:31:24
The second season saw Martinez imposing the infamous "let's play it out from the back" system, something we neither had the players for or the ability to do it.
It would have been okay if he had been able to bring in the right players to give him that balance but he didn't and consequently paid the price of failure.
When it comes to contracts, he was offered and signed on for 5-years, not his fault. The fact his subsequent failings meant his demise and triggered a penalty clause then that's life in the fast lane.
It's our risk, not his. He should never have been given a 5-year deal... you can only ask Kenwright what the hell he was thinking. But every contract I have had was a fixed term, a to b... and should the club terminate earlier then it has to pay out.
You can try to negotiate but why on earth should Martinez, walk away from a company without getting what you are contracted for?? Good will??? No I am afraid this one lands fairly and squarely on Bill's shoulders.
116 Posted 09/09/2016 at 19:33:37
Is anyone really surprised anymore by the poor deals Calamity Bill makes?
117 Posted 09/09/2016 at 19:40:53
Be careful what we wish for? Thank god Moshiri came to Everton when he did.
118 Posted 09/09/2016 at 19:42:11
After 39 years of supporting my interest is draining away, and it's all because of that bloodsucking parasite â€“ Kenwright.
119 Posted 09/09/2016 at 19:51:29
"If he's given half the time the dour one got just imagine where he can take us."
It is almost prophetic.
120 Posted 09/09/2016 at 19:56:56
"I could happily watch Roberto's Everton for the next 25 years. I feel that the engraver will be needed well before he has been with us for 11 years."
121 Posted 09/09/2016 at 19:58:10
122 Posted 09/09/2016 at 19:58:59
I've been acting a little facetious on here and on twitter, asking why this old story is news. Apart from my amazement at the detail known about what is a private matter which lends itself to somebody leaking information, there's more to the whole sorry saga than meets the eye.
For example, the lawyer representing Martinez against the club, Chris Farnell, I find it astonishing that a note in Bill Kenwright's accounts a few years ago confirms that he borrowed 𧷤k from Bill now he's acting against him! It's an astonishing payoff even in today's madhouse, even more astonishing Everton didn't protect their interests further, don't you think?
123 Posted 09/09/2016 at 20:01:58
124 Posted 09/09/2016 at 20:03:15
Brent #16: DM found a new employer on his own while under contract to EFC, RM was sacked, so DM really should have had no right to any compensation at all!
DM's cringe-worthy 'oh, I'm so surprised about this!' attitude, was understandable from a neutral point of view, but won't be lightly forgotten about by most Evertonians who had seen this coming for years due to SAF's comments!
125 Posted 09/09/2016 at 20:10:04
Martinez was a mere employee. Nevermind having specific football-based performance clauses in his contract. Why was he not bound by the same clauses that the rest of us have in our contract. We'll never know.
It does always seem to be Everton that suffers from these behind-the-scenes business management debacles doesn't it?
126 Posted 09/09/2016 at 20:11:53
I'm eagerly looking forward to what Koeman can do with us. I'm leaving the Martinez past behind with his ludicrous payoff and not going to mention him again. Anybody with me?
127 Posted 09/09/2016 at 20:15:35
128 Posted 09/09/2016 at 20:25:19
129 Posted 09/09/2016 at 20:55:24
130 Posted 09/09/2016 at 21:01:02
131 Posted 09/09/2016 at 21:25:03
We offered the contract so can't cry at the payoff. Thank god BK no longer has the final word on these.
Martinez is one of the greatest bullshitters the game as seen.
Add the £10m payoff to the £13.5m for Niasse. Really was Keystone Cops.
132 Posted 09/09/2016 at 23:21:01
133 Posted 09/09/2016 at 23:28:30
To repeat the betting indicates that we are expected to finish 9th this season, so with a superior manager, a billionaire on board plus a couple of better players, plenty good judges are of the opinion that we will finish 9th!
134 Posted 09/09/2016 at 23:57:23
How does where the bookies believe we'll finish this season help back up a case that Roberto has been unfairly hammered?
Obviously their forecasts will have had to factor in the shocking form of the last couple of seasons and the shite state we were left in.
Just because they're predicting a conservative improvement of a mere couple of places under Koeman, doesn't mean the last manager has been harshly judged and his team finished not far from where was expected. That they're saying we might finish ninth this year doesn't mean Martinez didn't underachieve 'by much' last year or the year before. That's bizarro logic to me.
Where were they tipping us to finish at the start of Martinez's second season? Way above 11th I'd wager.
135 Posted 09/09/2016 at 23:58:28
There was nothing wrong offering Martinez an improved contract after his first year, what was wrong was taking no steps whatsoever to include clauses in it that reduced the contract pay off if Martinez didn't perform. That is total incompetence, no wonder Kenwright didn't want to sack the guy!!
136 Posted 09/09/2016 at 00:01:20
I can't believe someone is actually sticking up for him.
137 Posted 09/09/2016 at 00:02:17
When Softollies became a found-out, one-trick pony without a Plan B, the party was over.
138 Posted 10/09/2016 at 00:23:03
'Hopefully Roberto can..' etc blah.
Fuck me that changed fast.
A year later 'Get a fuckin' grip Martinez!!'
Two years, 'Just fuck off nob head!!!!' etc.
139 Posted 10/09/2016 at 00:56:00
140 Posted 10/09/2016 at 02:09:01
141 Posted 10/09/2016 at 02:42:56
Plenty on here cheered when he was given a contract extension. Plenty kept telling so many of us that we were wrong to want him gone during that second season, when it was plainly obvious how poor he was. Countless times we were told that it wasn't the Everton way to sack managers, that he deserved a third season, to just wait until at least the next winter.
All the while ignoring arguments that allowing Everton to drop so far down the table would harm our ability to retain out best and attract others.
If you want to blame anyone, blame Kenwright for the contract and blame plenty of Evertonians for being far too easily pleased and willing to accept mediocrity.
142 Posted 10/09/2016 at 07:05:13
143 Posted 10/09/2016 at 07:06:42
144 Posted 10/09/2016 at 07:59:01
146 Posted 10/09/2016 at 08:51:26
It wouldn't and hasn't happened anywhere else, but his is Everton under Kenwright, enough said.
147 Posted 10/09/2016 at 09:12:44
Didn't know we had Nigerian followers...
148 Posted 10/09/2016 at 11:28:31
And then repaid EFC the monies paid for the incompetent Niasse.
Just about balances that book!
149 Posted 10/09/2016 at 11:38:46
150 Posted 10/09/2016 at 12:00:13
I'm sorry, but all this 'but he had a great season' stuff is nonsense. We finished 5th and won nothing. If we won a trophy, fair enough, but we didn't. And it's not like he had a really short contract that was about to expire.
Surely it's simple 'Bob, if you do well, you'll be rewarded, but if you do poorly and we sack you there'll be a nominal pay-off, eg, half a season's wages. You don't like the sound of that? Oh okay, just carry on with the old contract then, we'll tear the other one up.'
It's hardly like the guy was skint and desperate. People mention 'hindsight' how about poor club management from BK? The idiot thinks 5th is a major achievement, that's the problem. People mention 'Barca' might have come, zero evidence of this. Can you imagine, "Hey el presidente, that Spanish fella finished 5th, what do you think?' 'Did he win anything?' 'Er no, but he won a cup with Wigan.' 'Didn't he relegate them?' 'Err yeah.' 'If you come to me with ideas like this again, I will feed you to the bulls, now fuck off!'
I get the 'legally he was entitled to it', but anyone else would be so embarrassed for fighting for cash from a club that they tried to ruin, problem is this first class idiot has zero awareness of how crap he is. He probably thought he deserved 10 million for the 'incredible performance' when drawing against Palace away. Come on, surely worth £10 mill?
This man deserves every ounce of stick he gets, him and his team of buffoon assistants are a complete joke and make me very angry. I look forward to the day he manages against us and we can boo loudly and hammer him for 90 minutes. He has mugged Everton off big style, this is a disgrace, legally entitled or not. How did he get the Belgium job? Even Rom laughed his head off. Baffling.
The good thing though is he's gone and we have what appears to be a good management team with a decent start to the season, now let's turn our attention to another former manager, Moyes bashing time!! COYB.
151 Posted 10/09/2016 at 17:37:48
Isn't that how a deadbeat joke of a club like Man City ended up being Champions?
Surely Blackburn/Venkys is the worst case?
152 Posted 10/09/2016 at 21:24:38
Let's see. I wonder what would cause more sleepless nights for someone a couple of years down the line?
Finishing in the bottom half of the table two seasons in a row, or saying 'nah, keep it' and walking away from eleven million quid you're contractually entitled to, just so the same people who called you all the scrote sacks under the sun can now say 'at least he did the honourable thing in this instance'?
Anyone else would be "embarrassed" to take it? Bollocks.
Put that same clause in anyone's employment contract, sack them, then say "will you still be wanting this or not?" and see what happens.
You'd have your arm ripped completely out the socket faster than a cheating twat playing ropey holographic chess with Chewbacca.
153 Posted 10/09/2016 at 21:41:20
154 Posted 10/09/2016 at 22:10:20
155 Posted 10/09/2016 at 22:40:12
156 Posted 10/09/2016 at 23:01:57
A phenomenal and incredible amount of money, I bet he is in a 'good moment'. Is it just me or do others badly want Belgium to fail?
157 Posted 11/09/2016 at 09:16:16
I prefer to think that the 10 million pay off was for personal damages the advanced loss of his barnet!
158 Posted 11/09/2016 at 12:42:09
Andy Dunn in the Mirror...
"Because dear old Bill Kenwright – on the back of one decent season – had given Martinez a five-year deal worth £4m a year"
159 Posted 11/09/2016 at 13:06:41
And after you'd 'be like' that, would you jump on a skateboard and be like 'HEY HEY! YOU YOU! I COULD BE YOUR GIRLFRIEND'?
160 Posted 11/09/2016 at 13:08:35
But now, I can't stand to watch them due to the deluded one being their coach. Guilt by association!
There is another little irksome issue. The arrival of Terry Henry "the cheating one'.
When Belgium are playing, seeing Martinez and Terry sitting side by side is a good time to reach for a good glass of... Gaviscon!
161 Posted 11/09/2016 at 13:22:12
At the time, it was...
That season we finished 5th under BBS we were fantastic.
And some wiser voices were saying at the time, "if we don't sort out our defense and stop leaking goals we're in trouble..."
Or something to that effect.
162 Posted 11/09/2016 at 14:27:56
164 Posted 11/09/2016 at 18:47:03
It is NOT amazing that Kenwright has cost the club £10 million in the blink of any eye.
The whole scenario stinks from top to bottom and the only good that will come from this is that Moshiri will be having a word with Kenwright... hopefully!
166 Posted 12/09/2016 at 06:41:41
167 Posted 12/09/2016 at 22:50:32
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