Lookman on target as England U20s make World Cup final

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Ademola Lookman scored again as England booked their place in the U20s World Cup final in South Korea today.

The winger scored what proved to be the decisive goal 13 minutes from time with a tidy finish from eight yards out to set up a final meeting with Venezuela on Sunday.

His Everton teammates Jonjoe Kenny and Dominic Calvert-Lewin also played the full 90 minutes of the semi-final and Kieran Dowell figured for almost an hour. Calum Connolly, who has seen relatively little action, was an unused substitute.

It's the first time that England's U20s have made the World Cup final, having previously featured at the semi-final stage in 1993.  

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Brian Wilkinson
1 Posted 08/06/2017 at 11:49:33
Kenny, Dowell, Lookman and Calvert-Lewin all start for today's game.
Ben Fitzsimmons
2 Posted 08/06/2017 at 11:57:50
Brian Cleveland
3 Posted 08/06/2017 at 12:00:20
It's also being shown on DirecTV if anyone has that

COYB . oops, England!

Andrew Keatley
4 Posted 08/06/2017 at 12:04:18
One goal down after two minutes...
Brian Wilkinson
5 Posted 08/06/2017 at 12:05:50
Better team than Italy... early days yet.
Brian Cleveland
6 Posted 08/06/2017 at 12:10:38
Looks like typical Italy, defend and hit on the counter.
Sam Hoare
7 Posted 08/06/2017 at 12:13:17
Any other links?
Paul Kelly
8 Posted 08/06/2017 at 12:16:02
Gary Coleman, lovely bit of football.
Andrew Keatley
9 Posted 08/06/2017 at 12:23:22
I think England need to play two up front. Solanke is too far away from Calvert-Lewin, and it makes them both less effective.
Sam Hoare
10 Posted 08/06/2017 at 12:23:47
Looking a bit Everton... moving the ball too slowly and midfielders coming too deep to get possession.
Chris Odedun
11 Posted 08/06/2017 at 12:30:31
Can't get banner off the middle of the screen on Stream2watch...
Ben Fitzsimmons
12 Posted 08/06/2017 at 12:36:11
Lots of links on here: http://www.sportp2p.com/football/595485/italy-u-20-england-u-20-free-live-streaming-online-p2p.html (But I haven't tried any as stream2watch working great for me.)
Chris Odedun
13 Posted 08/06/2017 at 12:44:26
Got it, thanks, Ben.
Andrew Keatley
14 Posted 08/06/2017 at 12:45:01
Italy very comfortable, defending deep. England not creating very much at all. None of the front players able to penetrate – and making rash decisions in possession. Cook and Maitland-Niles offering very little in midfield, and the shape to the team looks wrong.

Brian Wilkinson
15 Posted 08/06/2017 at 12:47:38
There for the taking, that Italy defence, if we can get some crosses in the box to the forwards or a set play.
Jay Wood
16 Posted 08/06/2017 at 12:55:15
The absence of the suspended Onomah proving a big miss.

England too ponderous, allowing Italy time to easily regroup, defend and repel.

Needs quicker crisper passing and movement and some inspiration from somewhere, or we're going out.

Step up Kieran Dowell. This is your time. Please.

Brian Cleveland
17 Posted 08/06/2017 at 12:59:42
Italy organised and letting England have the ball, but England too slow to build up. Need to give the Italian defence something to panic about, get the ball in the box and put them under pressure even if it comes out again. Not troubling them playing around on the half way line.
David King
18 Posted 08/06/2017 at 13:21:56
Chris Williams
19 Posted 08/06/2017 at 13:22:15

Solanke, well deserved!!!

Paul Kelly
20 Posted 08/06/2017 at 13:23:24
All over them like the proverbial rash.
Paul Kelly
21 Posted 08/06/2017 at 13:29:35
Kenny doesn't stop, some engine, like the look of him, what a full back should be all about.
Brian Cleveland
22 Posted 08/06/2017 at 13:31:54
Lookman is a little bag of tricks! He really is skilful...
Chris Williams
23 Posted 08/06/2017 at 13:32:09
Paul Kelly
24 Posted 08/06/2017 at 13:32:34
Was that him in the middle of the park, nutmeg?
Brian Cleveland
25 Posted 08/06/2017 at 13:32:42
And just as I say that – he scores!
Andrew Keatley
26 Posted 08/06/2017 at 13:32:46
LOOKMAN!!!! 2-1!
David King
27 Posted 08/06/2017 at 13:32:46
"Lookman 2-1
Paul Kelly
28 Posted 08/06/2017 at 13:33:24
Brian Cleveland
29 Posted 08/06/2017 at 13:34:20
Yes, Paul, that was him with the nutmeg in the middle of the park, and not the first time he's done it either – got some great close control.
Chris Williams
30 Posted 08/06/2017 at 13:34:32
Calvert-Lewin caused panic for the goal too.
Andrew Keatley
31 Posted 08/06/2017 at 13:35:11
Ojo has made the difference. Sucks two Italian defenders to him every time he gets the ball – but still uses it well. I know he is a Liverpool player but he has transformed the match, and allowed the other players to have more time and space to influence the game too.
Brian Cleveland
32 Posted 08/06/2017 at 13:37:11
Andrew, I was about to mention Ojo too, had a large impact since coming on. Dowell had been pretty ineffective today and a more direct approach was needed.
Shane Corcoran
33 Posted 08/06/2017 at 13:38:48
I haven't seen Dowell play. What's the general feeling on why he hasn't made the step up that the other lads have to the first team?
Paul Kelly
34 Posted 08/06/2017 at 13:41:46
Cheers Brian, that was a sublime bit of skill by Lookman, unbelievable to be honest, top drawer.

That Ojo lad looks class, quality impact sub in this game, shame he's at Mordor. Kenny been quality throughout, Calvert-Lewin plays a well balanced game without standing out I think.

Chris Williams
35 Posted 08/06/2017 at 13:43:26

Game set and match

Brian Cleveland
36 Posted 08/06/2017 at 13:43:28
Looks like that's it. Solanke getting better as game goes on (unfortunately it has to be one of THEM!)
Andrew Keatley
37 Posted 08/06/2017 at 13:43:44
Solanke. 3-1. Great strike from 25 yards.
Paul Kelly
38 Posted 08/06/2017 at 13:43:48
Some of these Italian "kids" look older than Pirlo...
Andrew Keatley
39 Posted 08/06/2017 at 13:45:12
Calvert-Lewin has been excellent in the second half. A lot of selfless and unspectacular work that has really benefitted the other attacking players.
Chris Williams
40 Posted 08/06/2017 at 13:45:23
Italy played extra time a couple of days ago so maybe tiring.

Kenny best of our lads again for me. Surely a starter next season.

Andrew Keatley
41 Posted 08/06/2017 at 13:48:16
Kenny has been absolutely magnificent. His fitness and energy is extraordinary, and his game management is brilliant.
Brian Cleveland
42 Posted 08/06/2017 at 13:49:31
Chris, Kenny been consistently good throughout the tournament. I think he looks a better stand in for Coleman than Holgate.
Chris Williams
43 Posted 08/06/2017 at 13:49:51
Through to the final.
Alex Jones
44 Posted 08/06/2017 at 13:50:26
Dowell was class in all he did but it's a style not suited to chasing games as he calmly controls play and keeps the ball but doesn't make the byline which you need when chasing goals.

Ojo done well but Kenny has been the most consistent performer today. Not put a foot wrong and I really hope we start him next season.

No doubt Solanke will get the plaudits but he's been very wasteful and that last goal was a complete fluke.

Chris Williams
45 Posted 08/06/2017 at 13:51:32
Agreed, Brian.

Proper modern full back. Good all down the right.

Ian McDowell
46 Posted 08/06/2017 at 13:51:42
Cracking performance from England. Played some really good stuff.
Brian Cleveland
47 Posted 08/06/2017 at 13:56:03
Why does this tournament not even get mentioned on the Sky website? Does it not count as football?

Perhaps it'll get a mention now that Solanke scored two!

Paul Kelly
48 Posted 08/06/2017 at 13:57:48
Watched that whole game, Kenny outstanding throughout. Reminds me of a young (dare I say it) Gary Neville, best right back I've witnessed since you've guessed it, Stevens. Good future ahead of him. It takes a lot for a full back to stand out and he does it constantly.
Jonathan Miller
49 Posted 08/06/2017 at 13:59:42
Kenny and Lookman excellent. Both very exciting to watch too!
Paul Kelly
50 Posted 08/06/2017 at 14:00:19
Oh , and Gary Coleman (Lookman) sublime, he realises it takes different strokes to get through a game, I'll get my coat.
Ray Roche
51 Posted 08/06/2017 at 14:03:50
Brian (#47), it's because it's not on Sky, it's on their opposition, BT Sport. As we know, if Sky doesn't approve, it doesn't exist.
Kieran Kinsella
52 Posted 08/06/2017 at 14:04:23
Paul Kelly,

I didn't see this game but in earlier matches I also thought Kenny was like Gary Neville. Small but tough as nails, vocal, and an absolute commitment to the team. Baffles me that we are flirting with this Southampton reject.

Another thing worth pointing out is that Kenny already has a Euro U17 Championship to his name plus the Premier League 2 title. They say winning is a habit and this kid is a winner.

Lookman has also done well. Started slowly in the tournament but has found his form. Dowell has been hit and miss. Calvert-Lewin steady if unspectacular. Connolly not quite there yet.

Liam Reilly
53 Posted 08/06/2017 at 14:04:55
I'm not saying they are ready (cause we saw at Anfield that too many can't step up at once), but it would be interesting to see what these kids do when they get to train with the first team and what makes Koeman apprehensive about putting them into the first team.

Especially in the dead rubbers at the end of last season when 7th was secured with what 3 games to go.

Kieran Kinsella
54 Posted 08/06/2017 at 14:06:23

They'd already gone to South Korea before the dead rubbers.

Patrick Murphy
55 Posted 08/06/2017 at 14:07:20
Kenny reminds me more of a right-sided Leighton Baines than Gary Neville. Lookman is a far more 'productive' player when he's in and around the penalty area, he's wasted on the wing for me. I also agree that the No 19 who came on (Ojo) helped England to take control of the game.

Dowell looked a little lost today, as did Calvert-Lewin. Although, apart from the lad Solanke scoring two goals, I can't see much difference between him and Calvert-Lewin they certainly don't compliment each other.

England's first World Cup final for 51 years and a very rare victory over Italy. Good luck to the lads in the final.

As for Sky, didn't they have a fall-out with Eurosport a little while ago? That might explain the lack of coverage, mind you once they realise that their favourite club provided the scorer of two goals, we'll be awash with in-depth coverage from the Big Stand Brigade.

Paul Thompson
56 Posted 08/06/2017 at 14:08:40
Only saw the second half, but cracking game. Bags of skill and atleticism in that England squad. As in other games, Kenny and Lookman outstanding. Of the two Red lads, I know Solanke scored again, but don't think he's all that great. But Ojo – can only say, wow.
James Stewart
57 Posted 08/06/2017 at 14:15:53
I agree that Lookman looks far better in and around the box. Kenny is very promising; how on earth Holgate kept him out, I'll never know... he looks a total natural.
Brian Wilkinson
58 Posted 08/06/2017 at 14:16:49
I've been saying it for months now and especially during the England u20 games, Kenny is ready for the first team, what a player.

In regards to Dowell, I stick by my 'luxury player' comment, can pick a pass out, but when he's not on the ball, he's a passenger; possibly why Ronnie has not picked him more.

Lookman was very impressive and a better option than Calvert-Lewin.

Hate to say it but Ojo is one hell of a player and made the difference when he came on.

Kenny for me is the player of the tournament, been outstanding in every game and a must at right-back for the first team next season.

Jay Wood
59 Posted 08/06/2017 at 14:20:21
Thoroughly deserved. Complete transformation in the 2nd half.

Dowell who (to answer Shane) has had a very good tournament to date, just not on the radar today. He is never going to be a physical player, but he has bags of skill.

Watching his replacement Ojo playing as he did for me rather begs the question why he didn't come in for the suspended Onomah as they play similar games. Onomah's actual replacement today, is a run-of-the-mill holding midfielder, whereas the likes of Onomah and Ojo are better on the ball and running at and committing players.

Kenny is going to be a MONSTER footballer. Great at both ends of the park, fantastic engine to get up and down the pitch as he does, crisp, accurate and disguised passing, and already an old head on young shoulders. He is very cute in his game play.

Calvert-Lewin had probably his best game of the tournament so far and showed really good hold up and link up play against a packed Italian defence.

Lookman also grew into the game, always showing for the ball and demonstrating quickness of feet and thought in some of his plays. He and Calvert-Lewin combined well for the all-important 2nd goal.

Should be a cracking final.

Paul Kelly
60 Posted 08/06/2017 at 14:20:34
With you there, Patrick, in that Lookman looks better once he comes infield, stands out more, and his control is emphasised, boy does he look natural on the "pigskin".

Stick by what I say about Kenny. Gary Neville is probably the best right back I've witnessed in living 'memory' (disclaimer, can't remember much due to being a fiend and don't watch foreign togger much). But I think he's something special.

Hope I'm right (as we all hope for all Everton players) noted.

Ray Roche
61 Posted 08/06/2017 at 14:26:03
After watching today's game, Lookman's ability to hit a good, killer ball into the box from behind the front players... would he be worth a try at the No 10 role we are lacking?. Speed of thought and great close control; plenty of running too.
Andrew Presly
62 Posted 08/06/2017 at 14:28:00
Solanke is a Chelsea player until 1 July.
Paul Kelly
63 Posted 08/06/2017 at 14:32:37
Good shout Ray, he was more in the game in the middle. Players running all over the show due to his change a direction. What's to lose?
Dan Parker
64 Posted 08/06/2017 at 14:53:59
These lads obviously have the mental strength to deal with the pressure of cup competitions which is something we've severely lacked in the past whether it be the FA/League Cup or Europa League.

I hope they get some game time next season, especially Jonjoe in Coleman's absence. We'd rather see a local lad do well than a cheap journeyman transfer right?

Peter Lang
65 Posted 08/06/2017 at 14:56:31
Totally agree, Patrick (#55). Kenny looks to me like a mirror image of Leighton Baines (right instead of left). Very similar physically and in their style of play.

Calvert-Lewin looks like he has great physical tools (pace, athletic ability), but not great football skills or football intelligence.

Dave Abrahams
66 Posted 08/06/2017 at 15:04:56
Been out all day, just got in, delighted with the result! I hope they win the final. I think Liverpool have got a winner in Ojo, big, strong and clever footballer, we have got got two in Kenny and Lookman.

Why Jonjoe wasn't put in the first team when Seamus broke his leg only Koeman knows, Lookman is a natural footballer who in time can do the job that the Brazilian Coutino does for Liverpool.

Has anyone got any links for today's goals, Please.

Brent Stephens
67 Posted 08/06/2017 at 15:05:59
Ray (#61) - like that thought.

How proud to see our lads in a semi AND perform so well. Love that big lad, Lookman! Kenny so cool.

Jay Wood
68 Posted 08/06/2017 at 15:14:03
Here yer go Dave!

Always happy to oblige!


Terry White
69 Posted 08/06/2017 at 15:15:29
So, everybody, Kenny gets the start next season and plays well. Coleman is ready to return. What do you suggest we do then?
Jay Wood
70 Posted 08/06/2017 at 15:18:16
Simple Terry.

Go with the player in the best form.

It's competition for places that Everton has long lacked.

David Barks
71 Posted 08/06/2017 at 15:21:30

Do you think that the likes of Chelsea or Man City or Man Utd worry about such things? Who the hell cares. We should have two quality players at every position, because the competition above us certainly do.

Trevor Lynes
72 Posted 08/06/2017 at 15:33:58
Fine comment regarding Lookman at Number 10. He has great ball control and bags of pace, plus the lad gets in the box. He is exactly the Number 10 Barkley will never be. He will score goals and be a fan pleaser with his quick feet.

Pity he never played that role alongside Lukaku. Kenny and Lookman are ready for the first team but we still need a proven striker to replace Lukaku. These kids are really surprising me and are like a shot in the arm.

Ray Roche
73 Posted 08/06/2017 at 15:34:26
Terry, if Kenny is playing so well that Seamus can't get a game then it'll prove what a lot of posters on here have been saying for a while now. Kenny is the real deal. Anyway, let Seamus play wing back and form a Baines - Pienaar type combo with Kenny. Seamus started at EFC playing wide right, if you remember.
Mike Allison
74 Posted 08/06/2017 at 15:41:36
Are you serious, Terry? What's your point? You're worried that we'll have two good players for a position? That's been the aim for as long as I can remember.
David Barks
75 Posted 08/06/2017 at 15:45:31
I guess it goes back to Moshiri's ridiculous quotes after the last summer window talking about Everton being a family and we couldn't sign Sissoko because it would upset McCarthy. Maybe that's the reason we didn't add any quality around Barkley and Lukaku. Now it all makes sense!!!!
Peter Gorman
76 Posted 08/06/2017 at 15:50:51
Gutted to miss the game but absolutely made up that they're in the final. Italy were the team that I feared the most in the tournament but, that said, Venezuela has proven to be a great team as well.

The BBC finally cottoned on to the tournament the other day and posted an article about this possible 'golden generation'. It makes for great reading as it points out the sizeable Everton connection and links to a video of Unsy discussing the kids he threw in against Norwich (Davies, Dowell and Kenny).

Football being as it is, you don't always get what you deserve but there is no doubt there is something different about these young English lads, they are winners. I hope they cement their place in history come the final.

The performance from our lads is another testament to the great work Unsy and Sheeds are doing at the academy. Excellent stuff!

Dave Abrahams
77 Posted 08/06/2017 at 16:03:58
Jay (#68), brilliant, thanks very much, the Italian goalkeeper should have saved the third goal. but they all count.

Jay, do you think that link you gave me will show the final?

Tony Hill
78 Posted 08/06/2017 at 16:06:34
In mentality, Kenny has the look of a hard leader. Way off yet, of course, but it would be wonderful if he could develop into the sort of player Gerrard and Carragher were and give us back some steel and soul.

Looking forward to the final.

Ray Roche
79 Posted 08/06/2017 at 16:15:29
Dave (#77), it's on British Eurosport 2, which you get when you have BT Sport, so it may well be shown in a number of pubs, if you don't know anyone with BT Sport.
Ian McDowell
80 Posted 08/06/2017 at 16:18:06
Is Liam Walsh injured?
Brian Harrison
81 Posted 08/06/2017 at 16:20:04
I only got to watch the second half, and England dominated the second half. Where does Kenny get his energy from? I didn't think anyone could get up and down the line like Seamus I was wrong – Kenny can; great display.

Lookman had the crowd excited every time he got the ball, and Calvert-Lewin had a good second half. Dowell was replaced by Ojo from Liverpool, he looked a good player, strong and could carry or pass.

I know it's a step up from Under-20s but I think all our players will be in the first team squad come next season. Not every week but certainly Kenny and Lookman wouldn't look out of place.

Jay Wood
82 Posted 08/06/2017 at 16:23:20
Dave @ 77

Dunno mate, but if not, I'll post a link on the matchday thread I presume TW will put up on the day, OK?

And Ian @ 80. Yes, unfortunately Liam was injured ahead of the final Premier League 2 game of the season against Liverpool. He appeared on the presentation podium on crutches, otherwise I'm sure he would have made it SIX Everton players out in Korea.

And don't forget, the FA and the club agreed not to take the 18-year-old Tom Davies and give him a summer break.

Dave Abrahams
83 Posted 08/06/2017 at 16:30:35
Jay (#82), that will be fine, thanks again. You are correct regarding Liam Walsh, someone on ToffeeWeb said he was in line to go to Korea for this World Cup only for the injury to keep him at home. I'm positive he would have done well.
Brian Furey
84 Posted 08/06/2017 at 16:40:11
I'd say Tom Davis really wishes he was there now. Would have been a great end to the season for him.

Great to hear Lookman doing so well as I was worried he had fallen back a bit since joining us.

Patrick Murphy
85 Posted 08/06/2017 at 16:54:58
I hope that Kenny develops into a great player at Goodison Park but I'm not sure I want him or any other Everton players to have the same characteristics as Stevie Me and Jamie. I didn't care too much for them as players, talented as they may have been... well, one of them at least wasn't a bad player.

Yes Everton need more leaders, strong in the mind and strong in the tackle, but one of the reasons I support Everton is because we usually have a touch of class and don't need to cheat to win – when we have a team good enough.

Leave all the shenanigans to those over the way and we'll continue to be the club we are, I want Everton to be better than them not a carbon copy of them.

Mike Berry
86 Posted 08/06/2017 at 16:56:40
Surely now that these great lads have made the final, a special attempt should be made to show it on terrestrial TV? A travesty if not.
Mark Morrissey
87 Posted 08/06/2017 at 16:57:10
A beacon of hope in a sea of despair.
Jay Harris
88 Posted 08/06/2017 at 17:18:01
Sky Sports are at it already with the headline "Liverpool's Solanke takes England to the finals".
David Barks
89 Posted 08/06/2017 at 17:34:42

To be fair, it was Solanke that has been scoring the goals the past two matches and it was Ojo that changed that match today.

Not to say our youngsters didn't also play a major part, but that headline is more than fair. I'm only surprised they didn't focus on Ojo.

Andrew Presly
90 Posted 08/06/2017 at 17:50:37
It's not fair as he's still a Chelsea player until his contract ends this month. But then that's Sky Sports aka LFC TV for you.

There was a Jeff Steling thing about his walk for Prostate Cancer with Phil Thompson, Lawrenson etc on the other day. They announced Jeff would be passing through the city visiting both football grounds, "Liverpool and Anfield".

Mike Green
91 Posted 08/06/2017 at 17:53:20
Awesome news – well done lads!
Dermot Byrne
92 Posted 08/06/2017 at 18:12:26
Lookman could well develop into a very skilful player and with equally quick-minded players around him, could get our pulses racing. Hope so – especially having other quick minded players in the team.
Mark Morrissey
93 Posted 08/06/2017 at 18:15:26
Just be our luck to hear tomorrow morning at the opening of the window that Man Utd want Lookman to replace Rooney... and we'd be daft enough to consider it.
John Raftery
94 Posted 08/06/2017 at 18:47:10
Mark (93) I don't think so, but if they did, the fee for Lookman is £100m.
Derek Knox
95 Posted 08/06/2017 at 18:48:04
Well done, lads!

To think that we have so many young Everton lads in the England Under 20 set-up is a good sign for the future.

We have already seen what Lookman can do when he has played at senior level, I think we are so lucky to have him.

The puzzling bit, is why he seemed to be overlooked in the run in to the season, or as an unused sub. Hope to see the lads rewarded with senior game time, this coming season.

Brian Cleveland
96 Posted 08/06/2017 at 19:10:28
The suggestion of Lookman as a No 10 might be reasonable, but don't forget the U20 game is a lot tamer in terms of physicality and he doesn't get clogged like he would in the big boys' game. He might have to toughen up a little and not get shrugged off the ball which sometimes seems to happen.

Also, in his current position with Everton he has some defensive duties and is prone to losing it in dangerous positions. That's just a learning process of knowing when you can try something and when not. If he played as a No 10, that might not happen as much as he'd likely be further up the pitch most of the time and not have many defensive responsibilities...

Andrew Keatley
97 Posted 08/06/2017 at 19:26:02
It is the appetite and aggression of Jonjoe Kenny that really impresses me. He just gets up and down all game, making runs offensively, always working hard to make sure his man gets no real space. And his ball retention and decision-making aren't half bad either.
Brian Cleveland
99 Posted 08/06/2017 at 20:09:00
On the subject of Kenny or Coleman, I've said it before and I'll repeat it, why not both, similar to Baines - Pienaar to see if they can work something together.

In general, he already has a very good similar understanding with Dowell, although Dowell of course doesn't quite do defending bit quite so much.

Would be interesting to see the two working interchangeably down the line in a few months time :-(

Max Murphy
100 Posted 08/06/2017 at 20:16:20
What a great feeling to see these young Everton lads doing so well, after the miseries we've had to endure this season with the senior squad.
Patrick Murphy
101 Posted 08/06/2017 at 20:22:13
Brian (#96), I don't disagree with your premise but the Italians weren't shy in giving Lookman a difficult time today and they certainly used their physicality at times, quite often illegally. But, to the young lad's credit, he had a quiet moan and didn't go into hiding because of it.
David Barks
102 Posted 08/06/2017 at 20:24:53
No, no, no, no, no. Pienaar was a very talented player with the ball at his feet. He was an attacking player, quick footed and able to play quick one-twos and beat his man with the ball.

Coleman is a defender who gets forward with his quickness. Can we please put attacking players in attack and not have two right-backs occupying the right side of the pitch.

Minik Hansen
103 Posted 08/06/2017 at 20:27:42
Good on the lads from Everton and Liverpool, this experience is good to the harmony that unite the players (on and) off the pitch. Yep, COYB.
Jay Harris
104 Posted 08/06/2017 at 20:59:34
I think we have to bear in mind there is a chasm between international U20s and the Premier League; the likes of Lookman, Calvert-Lewin and Kenny will need some preparation before being starters for the first team.

I am a firm believer in bringing them on in the last stages of a game we have already won and therefore gradually exposing them to the speed, skill and physicality of the Premier League.

Otherwise, we are in danger of destroying their confidence before they are even established.

Jack Convery
105 Posted 08/06/2017 at 21:37:14
Lookman is a star and will shine bright next season.
Tony Dove
106 Posted 08/06/2017 at 21:51:25
Kenny looked the part against Norwich at the end of 2015-16 but has Koeman picked him since – no. I have watched every game of the tournament and if he is not a future international I would be amazed.

Dowell is not going to be a Premier League player and our front two have skills which may develop into something really good but not for a couple of seasons. They also need to bulk up.

Aidan Baker
107 Posted 08/06/2017 at 21:53:54
First post...

As someone who rarely gets to see Everton on TV, let alone in the flesh (living in Italy), it was nice that RAI Sport decided to show the game live during my lunch break. I also have a soft spot for the youngsters as one of the Everton U23 team is a distant cousin of mine even though I have never met him (Charsley).

The technical commentator on RAI (name I didn't get) worked with the Italian U20 structure and was well versed in knowing both the Italian team and the English opposition. Like their English opponents most of the Italian U20 play in the equivalent of the Premier 2 – the Primavera or in Serie B (Championship) often sent out on loan by the bigger clubs. The better youngsters like Donnarumma were playing with the full Italian side (which beat Uraguay 3-0 last night in Nice).

Italy definitely regarded England as the favourites and came out strong as they felt that getting a goal ahead and then operating on the counter they could wear England down. This was proved to be right when Italy went ahead within the first few minutes and then dominated much of the first half. The goal was well manufactured by Italy's standard but poor defending by England's centre halves.

This commentator explained certain technical elements (those relevant to the Everton players being as follows):

• The English players are not used to the Italian system of double marking – one player makes the tackle and another nearby is available to pick up the stray ball which results from the tackle or if the tackle is lost make a second tackle – the four Everton players on the park were all frustrated when they got the ball only to lose it after either the first or second tackle.

• The most technically gifted players in the English starting XI were Dowell and Lookman, and explained at how they hold the ball and generate space for a pass, even though Cook of Bournemouth is the teams playmaker.

• England were playing with players not in their favoured positions:-

o Dowell was meant to cover the right flank in front of Kenny but he is an inside right and not an outside right (winger). This also created space for opportunities for Italy when Kenny went forward to act as a winger as there was a hole behind him to exploit. He noted too that the tactical switch with Ojo in the second half was decisive as it also gave Kenny more freedom.

o Lookman and the Tottenham full-back Walker-Peters are not naturally left footed, so they try to move inside instead of taking the Italian fullback on the outside. Italy realised that by double marking inside rather than out they were able to frustrate England down the left flank for much of the game.

• Calvert-Lewin works very hard as a forward to wear down central defenders, but he largely works on his own. He showed an example in the first half where Calvert-Lewin operated alone but Orsolini and Favilli were working as a pair in trying to test the defenders in front of them. Italians normally have ball playing centre halves, they know in England this is not a requirement (unless you are John Stones).

He also pointed out that Calvin-Lewin wins a lot of balls in the air and tries to drop them near by so he can make a second pass or movement however with double marking he was often passing to the second defender and getting frustrated with himself. He felt the English strikers didn't play as a pair.

All the Everton players will have come out of that wiser for having been tested by a well-drilled Italian style team. It will serve them well in the future when they play in Europe.

Jay Wood
108 Posted 08/06/2017 at 22:23:40
That was a good and informative read, Aidan. Thanks for going to the trouble of sharing it with us.
Dave Abrahams
109 Posted 08/06/2017 at 22:25:52
Aiden (#107), good first post, keep sending them in, when people and fans start talking football in a technical manner I am usually bored stiff, but you explained all those moves, markings etc in a nice easy way which I understood perfectly.

As I said keep posting them in, I was put wise in a nice relaxed way.

Dave Older
110 Posted 08/06/2017 at 22:27:35
Congrats to the whole England team but especially the Toffee players of course. I hope Kenny gets a shot at right-back next season. Now go and beat the mighty Venezuela and make history!!!!!!
Brent Stephens
111 Posted 08/06/2017 at 22:32:04
Aidan (#107). Nice post. Hope to see more.

Dave (#109) is not an awkward bugger (normally), Aidan – he just can't spell!

Christopher Wallace
112 Posted 08/06/2017 at 23:03:46
Good analysis, Aidan.

Calvert-Lewin looked isolated and frustrated in 1st half, but led the line well in 2nd and caused a lot of problems to their defence... and the Italians know a thing or two about defending. 7/10

Kenny was excellent. Great game going forward. He made the right runs at the right times, and linked up well. Great energy and always available for a pass. Had a relatively easy day, defence-wise. 8.5/10

Lookman looked the class act on the park today (special mention to Ojo, who oozed confidence and was very effective). Always looking to get involved, and continued to grow in comfort and confidence on ball as game went on. Fans loved him. 9/10

Dowell looked bit off the boil today, but it was a difficult 1st half after the early goal, with the Italians sitting back and trying to counter. They paid the price those tactics in the end. 5/10 though he's had an excellent tournament.

I've been impressed with the standard of quite a few teams, and it should be a cracking final.


Ray Roche
113 Posted 08/06/2017 at 23:09:16
David Barks (#102),

David, when Seamus broke into the first team he started out as a wing back, and successfully, too. I remember he ran Spurs' left side ragged in one of his earlier starts yet he's often criticised on here for being defensively wanting.

I mentioned the Coleman/Kenny potential on post 73 and Brian Cleveland also thinks it has potential in his post this evening. It's not so much a 'square peg, round hole' situation as trying something that appears to some as being worth considering. Kenny would be more at home at right-back than Holgate has been. And that's no slight against Holgate.

Paul Birmingham
114 Posted 08/06/2017 at 23:17:58
Great to see a team playing pass and move and cover and counter attack, some how I sense all these lads bar a few may get coached out of playing so naturally. This team has good balance; Kenny and Ojo, along with Lookman, played very well.

Dowell and Clavert-Lewin played okay but not as impacting as in previous games. The team looked balanced and played well so happy to see young EFC players making history.

Best player in the the tournament in my view for England, is Jonjoe Kenny – desire, will, spirit, class and guts.

Aidan Baker
115 Posted 08/06/2017 at 23:21:22
With regard to Kenny being the first choice right back at the start of next season (with Coleman being out).

I would agree with the assessment of many that he is the best option for that position of the current squad, better than alternatives such as Holgate, Browning, Davies or Pennington. To me the problem isn't Kenny but the help and assistance he is going to need down the right flank (as shown in today's game). I would be inclined to play him either with a proper right sided midfielder who can also help in defending in front of him or in a Juventus style back three with wing backs.

Until they came unstuck and wilted in the second half against Real, Juventus had operated the standard BBC (Barzagli – right centre half, Bonucci – as the deepest player in the middle the ‘sweeper and Chellini as the left centre half) back line with Alex Sandro as left wing back and Dani Alves as right wing back with a great deal of success – league and cup double and Champions League final. The wing backs could move forward knowing that a centre half could fill in when needed or drop back if he took the ball forward.

Koeman played around with 3 centre backs until the left footed Funes Mori got injured. I think it will work work but not with two defensive midfielders in front of the backline – 2 of Gana, Schneiderlin and Barry, otherwise the team would lose some attacking options and if he I could be critical of Koeman's first season it would be that the team didn't have enough creativity in the final third, another reason to have Kenny flying down the right. He reminds me a bit of Gary Stevens in how he likes to power forward and make a decisive pass.

David Barks
116 Posted 08/06/2017 at 23:30:52

You don't play a wing back with another right-back on the pitch at the same time. I want us to play with a wing back, but it would be idiotic to push that player up as a right midfielder and have another right-back behind him. The benefit of having a wing back is having a defender that can add numbers in attack.

Andrew Keatley
117 Posted 09/06/2017 at 00:23:50
I have caught bits and bobs across the tournament, and all the highlights. Interesting game ahead against a Venezuelan team that has played extra-time in all 3 knock-out games, but only conceded two goals in six games (with an extra 90 minutes worth of extra time), one of which was a penalty.

Their attacking players are quick and athletic – particularly Cordova (19) and Penaranda (7) – who somewhat bizarrely is a Watford player. Their captain and central midfielder Yangel Herrera (8) is also a very good player, so much so he is one of Manchester City's number of foreign youth imports.

Kenny is going to have an interesting time against the bleach-blond Penaranda, who is very lively, prone to some cute touches, and not afraid to be direct when he has to be.

Ray Roche
118 Posted 09/06/2017 at 07:10:43
Yes, David, I know.

Coleman had Hibbert behind him for several games as well as playing as a wing back on occasion and my point was seeing if Coleman and Kenny could replicate a Pienaar - Baines combo.

I don't recall Pienaar being referred to as a wing back, or Baines either. They were just seen as a perfect left sided combination. There's no need to label them as "wing back" or anything else if it works.

It's a damn sight better than playing Barkley or Calvert-Lewin as a winger.

Colin Glassar
119 Posted 09/06/2017 at 07:22:14
How long will it take for the media to start linking the likes of Lookman with moves to "bigger clubs"?
Neil Wood
120 Posted 09/06/2017 at 11:47:41
He will be "gone" come January, according to the media, Colin. Surely he needs to better himself at a "big" club now he's completed his Everton stepping stone journey!!!

This boy is unique and a real find – I think he will get a lot more game time this year his close control is excellent and he's a little bag of tricks... I can't wait to see him!

Jay Wood
121 Posted 09/06/2017 at 12:48:16
Andrew @ 117.

I presume you reference the Venezuelan squad numbers, rather than their ages.

If not, they start them young and have some extremely talented and well-developed 'yoof'!!!

James Hughes
122 Posted 09/06/2017 at 14:56:07
The Telegraph has an article on the game and in the player summaries, states Kenny was outstanding. I have read the same accolade on several other feeds as well over the course of this tournament. I know that there has been a lot of similar opinion expressed on here from posters who can take a closer interest.

Hopefully Ronald Koeman has been taking note of this and he will be promoted to the first team next season. Holgate has at times looked like a fish out of water at right back. We could have a perfect replacement for Seamus and his marauding runs if we give Kenny his chance.

Terry White
123 Posted 09/06/2017 at 15:32:03
Ray (#73 and 113) and David (#116), I feel the point David is making is that you can play a "wing back", or whatever Ray wants to call the position, with a back 3 that operates without a "full back", but not in a flat back 4 with a full back and a right sided midfielder. So, Kenny behind Coleman becomes more unlikely as Kenny will not feature in a back 3.

Personally, I think the days of Coleman as a "wing back" are gone with the passing of time. While I know we have a love affair with Coleman on this site I doubt he would be the answer for us as a "wing back". Looking forward, we need to raise the bar somewhat. As an attacking full back, he still has plenty to offer even if he does run into dead ends from time to time.

As I mentioned earlier, choose one of Kenny or Coleman. It's nice to have them both.

Steve Harris
124 Posted 10/06/2017 at 12:03:42
I think Lookman could be pissed off that the likes of Kone got more game time than him in the last month or so, absolutely mindless seeing as we had 7th spot wrapped up weeks before and couldn't realistically climb any higher.

It was the ideal opportunity to give him and Kenny more game time but Negative Ron would rather bring a useless 34 year old on instead, even though a few weeks later he's been shown the door!

I'm really worried about Koeman's negative tactics, like being 1-0 up against Watford at home and instead of going for more, he brings on Gareth fucking Barry again just to sit on the one goal, which let Watford back into the game and only their poor finishing let us off the hook.

Fair enough if it was a vital game but surely in the circumstances, we shouldn't be looking to just hang on against the likes of Watford?

Chris Williams
125 Posted 10/06/2017 at 12:13:53
Final live on Eurosport 2 tomorrow at 11-00 BST
Martin Nicholls
126 Posted 10/06/2017 at 13:47:58
Chris (#125) – I believe BBC2 are also showing it.
Patrick Murphy
127 Posted 10/06/2017 at 13:57:59
Martin (#126),

Thanks for that, it beats trying to find a dodgy stream. BBC2 begins its coverage at 10:50 tomorrow morning.

Peter Gorman
128 Posted 10/06/2017 at 14:15:39
Steve, just answered you on the other thread but I've checked it out (sad I know) and Kone was only playing against Watford and Arsenal because Lookman and Calvert-Lewin were away with the U20s.

The only game time Kone 'stole' off Lookman was the loss to Chelsea when he came on as sub whilst Lookman was on the bench. In the two games prior to that, Lookman made an appearance off the bench.

In a nutshell, I don't think he'll be that pissed off.

Dave Abrahams
129 Posted 10/06/2017 at 14:46:38
Martin (#126) and Patrick (#127) is this game a change to the BBC 2 programme because it is not down in the TV guide?
Colin Glassar
130 Posted 10/06/2017 at 14:50:17
Split loyalties on this one. Married to a Venezuelan but hoping our lads win a trophy. I'm going for a draw.
Chris Williams
131 Posted 10/06/2017 at 14:51:36
Must be a late change, Dave.
Chris Williams
132 Posted 10/06/2017 at 14:52:27
Very diplomatic, Colin.
Dave Abrahams
133 Posted 10/06/2017 at 15:00:30
Thanks Chris (#132)

Colin (#130), it can't be a draw it's a cup final so a team has got lift the cup. Be a man and get off the fence, even if you have got to cook your own dinner!!!

Ray Roche
134 Posted 10/06/2017 at 15:05:58
Yes, Martin is quite correct, BBC2 are showing it as MotD tomorrow.
Patrick Murphy
135 Posted 10/06/2017 at 15:11:54
TV guides, Dave... just exactly what century are you living in? :)

EPG (or, for the Luddites amongst us, Electronic Programming Guide) is the modern way to find out what's going on in this technological age mate.

But yes, it is on Beeb 2 tomorrow.

Ray Roche
136 Posted 10/06/2017 at 15:58:32
Patrick, are you trying to tell me that the Radio Times is now obsolete? I say...
Colin Glassar
137 Posted 10/06/2017 at 16:34:27
I'm going with England, Dave, but I'm keeping me gob shut.
Dave Abrahams
138 Posted 10/06/2017 at 17:55:41
Patrick (#135), when it comes to things like the Electronic Programming Guide I confess to being completely backward with regards to them. I would have been an expert in the 16th. century on candles and oil lamps, modern things like computers and the iPad just completely amaze me, although I just about get by with my iPad.

Thanks for the confirmation that the game is on BBC 2, I appreciate that.

Colin (#137) if Venezuela score, will you pretend you are happy,? Honest answer, Colin.

Colin Glassar
139 Posted 10/06/2017 at 19:52:49
I will, Dave. For a baseball mad country, with no real football history and with so many difficulties, I will be quite happy if they do well.
Brent Stephens
140 Posted 10/06/2017 at 20:00:27
Dave, are you the guy at home games who twirls that old rattle and shouts "Play up, Blues!" in a 1950s BBC radio accent?
Dave Abrahams
141 Posted 10/06/2017 at 21:36:34
Colin (#139) good on you. I hope it is a great game with both countries coming out of it well, or as we we used to say when the world was sane, may the best team win.

Brent (#140) I haven't seen a rattle at Goodison since God knows when. I'm in the same stand as yourself, the Upper Bullens. If you shout out too loud you are well noticed, and I've been well noticed, especially when Paul Gerrard was in goal and the first 18 months of Fellaini's career at Everton, but you know the score in the Upper Bullens.

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