Goodison, its legacy and what should we take to Bramley-Moore?

For me, Goodison Park is more than a football ground. It is the focal point of our love for the club. I only have to look at the picture there to feel it.

Maybe we can dig up the pitch 5 m x 5 m and 5 m deep at a time and lay the sacred earth beneath the pitch at the Bramley-Moore Stadium.

That earth and sacred ground will be there then for ever in our new home. The ground that has had a thousand Everton players feet grace it. The ground that has soaked up a million roars of excitement will underpin our new pitch.

We will have something of Goodison Park. Something that will make the new place feel like home.

FFS I'll even lend him my old Etch-A-Sketch and he can do it on that.

A fresh start is required and many of the unique points of Goodison Park cannot be replicated in a new stadium; however, the supporters and their fervour, at least when a decent Everton team is on display, can transfer quite easily into the new place.

Given the absence of winning teams at Goodison Park in the last three decades, the new stadium should be seen as a fresh start a new beginning and the relaunch of Everton as a truly competitive football club. We will all savour the memories of Goodison Park, but I hope that the new stadium – regardless of design – proves to be the catalyst for a successful Everton that adds to our history.

Cosmetically with blue seats (who'd have guessed) it should have EVERTON as we do on the seats now plus a link to Archibald Lietch with the criss-cross... So it will have a home look. Throw in the other bits like images around the place of players and success and the Dixie Dean statue – you're half way there.

We are the only club in the country that has obstructed views even in the most expensive seats in the house. Unfortunately I am not even thinking about any move until I see some real proof and not this horseshit we keep being constantly fed.

A Cocky watchman's hut and fire at Bramley-Moore Dock site would be better than anything that's there at the moment. One bucket of cement will do me. Please will the club just put up or shut up. More blue corrugated iron on the Bullens Road stand anyone?? I am not falling for it again, sorry, but it's just dragging on too long.

But, what confidence do you have that the move is even going to take place? I have heard suggestions that the whole plot would be pulled if (as was worried at the time) relegation happened. So what, if any, other criteria could prevent a move?

Cheers – and it's your round next time.

In retrospect it looks like the club and Joe Anderson jumped the gun at the AGM with the degree of certainty expressed in the Council funding plan. That's not to say it won't happen; I firmly believe it will, but it's clear now that matters were less progressed than implied at the meeting. Why would they have done that? Possibly it masked the almost complete lack of progress made between the previous AGM and this year's.

I understand that, with the Council funding in place, the remaining funding ,whilst not complete or finalised will effectively be underwritten by Moshiri (in a similar manner to how Tottenham have progressed without all the funding in place and an absence of a naming rights partner to date).

Then there's the planning risks, and of course the usual project risks of any major capital project.

I believe the stadium will be built, it will match the hype surrounding Dan Meis' involvement, but I suspect it will stretch the club's managerial abilities to the limits and without, strengthening, that represents the greatest risk in my opinion.

Any new stadium will be designed to current stadium construction standards within a set budget. Nothing will change because Joe from Bootle had asked for bogs with a serving hatch for Tetley bitter over the urinal. Wake up, FFS.

The only thing we should be concerning ourselves with is the Council funding of an initial 𧷐m. I say 'initial' because it's an absolute certainty costs will escalate. I would like to know what contingency is in place if this Council funding is not granted, which is a very real possibility. Does that mean the scheme will be scrapped?

As far as Goodison is concerned, it's an embarrassment for a Premier League ground. A relic, that was fit for purpose in the 1970s. I don't think we will ever be able to progress until we do actually move. It's like a morgue on a matchday anyway.

I think you raise some important points, especially what happens if the Council don't approve the loan. I don't think we can criticize the club for engaging with the fans over the look of the new stadium. I think, if there had been no consultation, then we would have something to moan about. But seeing that most weeks we cant agree which of the 26-man squad should play, so trying to accommodate a few thousand thoughts of fans on the new ground will be even more difficult.

I think we should be more cautious about the new stadium delivering the extra revenue to push us to challenge the top 4. I well remember Wenger telling the Arsenal fans that, when they moved from Highbury to the Emirates, they would be able to compete in buying the worlds best players. I don't think there are too many Arsenal fans who think the club has delivered on that pledge.

Certainly the same was said when Sunderland moved into their new ground, the expectation was the bigger ground would create the extra revenue to compete in the Premier League. Again, another prophecy that has fallen flat.

It should be about the future and the design needs to have enough complexity to give the new fans, in their new seats, plenty of new things to associate with.

The new memories will soon build-up as will a new fondness for a new place.

There is also the small matter of a new Royal Liverpool hospital left lying unfinished, which will surely have an impact on whether the Council will approve a loan of £280m to a private business, headed by an billionaire? Priorities and all that. That particular project may well end up in the civil courts. There are too many variables to even think about before we see the diggers heading into Bramley-Moore Dock, so I'm not getting my hopes up just yet.

People discussing legacies is putting a fucking great big cart before a very small horse at present.

That said I'm of the view that it's our obsession with our 'istory that contributes to our lack of future vision. Everton in and of itself is a relic and we need to drop it and become a modern, forward thinking club. The game has changed.

I'd like to see an ultra modern stadium that inspires a vision for future generations, not past. History doesn't win trophies.

Could this be a subtle hint on the proposed capacity?

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-new-stadium-dan-meis-14326817

Could the club make that happen ?

I love the thought of our players walking out at our new ground but still walking over the hallowed turf of Goodison.

Make it so.

Besides on the day of the last home match the fans will probably invade the putch and dig up chunks of turf as souvenirs.

Hopefully then, with a Bill-free board and Fonseca in charge, that will see us believe again... even in away fixtures. COYB

We have toilets ankle-deep in piss, food I wouldn't give to my dog, and beer that tastes like it might have been sucked up from the ankle-deep piss in the toilets. We can definitely leave all of that behind us when we go.

The advantage we'll have at our new place is that it is already soaked in history; the history of the docks, of the working people of Liverpool, of everything that has gone before in the city, of everything that made Liverpool a great prosperous port. We should build a fortress for sure, but one that represents not just the history of the club, but also of the city.

A truly iconic landmark, clad in blue, that can be lit up at night, with a fucking big blue liver bird hovering over the top of it. Bring not just our history, but the city's history, let those hideous tourists over the park know where the future lies in Liverpool.

After that, let's set our minds to overtaking the Mancs – they should be our main rivals in this great new stadium, not the other lot.

Bramley-Moore Dock is a myth.

It's season ticket renewal time soon, though, so expect a big PR push that will once again be followed by utter silence and zero progress.

The idea of relocating the pitch is surely just symbolic as the pitch is relaid year after year. My dad was a docker for 30 years he worked on this dock I believe too would be nice to scatter his ashes and my mum's when we move there.

Sorry to bring that lot into it but I feel that if they were earmarking this site there'd be red and white feckin Liver Birds all over the place, marching bands and the Echo providing hour-by-hour up dates. Still having this nightmare about Gillmoss, sorry.

But stand back and recall the totally false hype they generated about Kings Dock. Then all the false promises about Destination Kirkby... I believe the club hierarchy has actually learnt its lesson from these depressing fiascoes and is treading more carefully this time, not raising false hopes.

And the ironic consequence of a more considered approach? The naysayers have plenty to point to in terms of lack of progress, dubious rumour and negative inference.

Can we not just let it play out rather than trying to call it ahead of time? The process has a number of stages and needs a lot of aquatic birdlife to get in line.

As I'm sure you are aware, the existing Royal had been run down in anticipation of the move, so they can't wait forever.

My Dad is 80 next month. I would love him too see Everton in a new stadium on the waterfront in the next 3 years. I bet there are many more Evertonians who feel the same way but deep down we all know it won't happen by then.

When time is on your side, it is easy to have patience. The problem is we are seeing zero progress on the dockland site. All we basically have is a load of chatter from the club and stalling tactics. It went really quiet after the City didn't secure the Commonwealth Games.

I don't see or hear anything I can really get my teeth into concerning this ground move. All I know is we are yet to fully secure the funding required, even though LCC are putting up the lion's share?? We have no planning permission and no architect drawings for the stadium plans yet all though we keep hearing about how Amazing to his stadium will be??

When is planning permission being granted? I thought it was a supposed to be last month? I don't think the club want it passing if the truth be known. Easy bullet to dodge.

If anyone out there can show me some proof that any of the above mentioned is about to open happen then maybe we could all relax a bit.

Waiting about reading and listening to pure bullshit is not what I call progress. Show me and every other Evertonian out there that things are moving forward...

Some blues out there don't have the luxury of sitting back waiting for it to happen. Some fans out there won't be around in 5 years time. Sad as that is it's true.

Your comment "The Goodison Park of my Childhood is gone" expresses my feelings exactly. Good enough to host World Cup games in the sixties it is now a relic of the past.

Why that has been allowed to happen is another thread but suffice it to say EFC needs a new stadium like a drowning man needs air. This move has just got to happen for the long-term viability of the football club.

As far as the funding goes, we have supposedly got a specialist in this field on the board:

Alexander Ryazantsev

I feel quite sure that there is a detailed plan in place, however, cynical as it may sound, I don't think we will see the plans until after we hit the 40-point mark this season.

Here in the land of Oz, Sydney has two stadiums, the Sydney football stadium (built 1988) and the 2000 Olympic stadium. Having visited both I prefer the former but the Olympic stadium, reconfigured for a 80,000 capacity struck me immensely when the the blues played there a couple of years ago. I imagined some super successful Everton playing in an 80,000-seater stadium in the future. Some lament its lack of atmosphere. It is big.

Whatever, the state ruling party (neo-conservatives and farmers), intend to build two new stadiums from scratch. Price tag, A$2,000,000,000. Count the noughts. Most importantly, they will be somewhere for the pollies to take their mates and business "connections".

If Everton was a suburb of London, we'd have had our stadium decades ago. That's my point.

It seems striking while the iron is hot and certain incumbents remain would make sense and until this hurdle is jumped, all else is pure fantasy (unless of course Moshiri is willing to underwrite the entire amount as a back-up and under what terms?).

Surely, if council approval is given, the club can proceed to seek planning permission and move on without the entire sum, knowing that Moshiri would underwrite the remainder.