Allardyce denies having spoken with Everton

In your earlier report of a 4 man shortlist you described Allerdyce as the “disgraced “ former England manager. Again you are quite correct. I couldn't get involved in that fast moving thread but I would add my voice to those who express dismay at the vitriol handed out to fellow Evertonians who happen to have a different perspective.

Moshiri needs to distance himself from White at Sky and avoid the limelight. The club already has two board members who like to get their names and photos everywhere without knowing the first thing about football and what qualities to look for in a manager. That's what we're reduced to and I'll put money on Skybet that they'll be casting their votes for the wrong guy!

What an admission of failure it would be to replace that fraud Koeman with this charlatan.

All of which points to a short-term appointment until the end of the season, which basically shrinks the list to Unsworth and Allardyce. Like most, I vastly prefer Rhino in this scenario.

If Allardyce demands a longer-term commitment, that might just be our get-out-of-jail-free card.

Sky aren't the only gambling outfit in the game don't forget how our new sponsors earn their living!

In my view David Unsworth should be given time. I believe he will turn things around. I would ask those who advocate fat Sam the following questions:

How long will you give him? How many games?
Do you believe he can take the club to the level that Moshiri aspires to?
I believe he was hung out to dry by the FA but do you believe he is a man of integrity?
Do you want the football he aspires to?
Finally, are you prepared to come on here and admit that no matter what, you will fucking accept nothing less than instant wins?
Sam Allardyce as Everton manager? God almighty is that what some think of our club?

A self-styled ‘Red Adair' who lines his own pockets whilst bleeding dry his victims with large back room staff who compute a formula which Charles Hughes was pushing since time and memorial.

Anything longer with the likes of Allardyce would be inconsistent with what the board were saying 18 months ago about what they called the 'project'. The most likely scenario, given their statements about the 'project', is an interim appointment, or retaining Unsworth as an interim measure, followed by a high-profile appointment. Particularly if the salary offered is £6M/year or more, and funds are promised for buying new players, which seem likely.

But most of all, there seems a great team belief there & they play until the final whistle is blown... every game.

Go after Chris Wilder from Sheffield Utd to become our new Boss. Appoint Rhino as his Assistant. Sign Cenk Tosun from Besiktas as our new Striker. Sign Ben Mee from Burnley to re-form his partnership with Micheal Keane.

Recall all our loan players. Get Ross Barkley to sign a new contract. Start shipping out players who are way too old, always crocked, or have a piss poor attitude.

Win at Anfield.

There's not an honest one amongst them.

We need a top-drawer manager. If he is not available right now, give Rhino until Xmas. If we had appointed another Manager directly after Koeman, he would have been given time.

Unsworth will have the full backing of the fans and the players who feel something for this club, this would be his strength. He can bring through the talent we have over next few months

If I witness this fat crook chewing gum in our dugout surrounded by anybody unlucky enough to be under 6 feet tall, while the ball gets lumped forward ad nauseam, it will be a dark day for EFC.

Give Unsy the job until Xmas and reveiw

Yes, it's that harlequin of Coronation St, Billy Kenwright, aided and abetted by none other than Jabba The Hutt Allardyce!

Who do you think is Darth Vader, I was going to suggest Elstone but think that may be grand for him.

It's like when a mate of yours has a really plain looking girlfriend with zero personality and after a few years he decides he can't be bothered looking for another girl and thinks " she will do " and gets married whilst you are thinking " WTF he can do so much better "

Only years later he wakes up one day looking at his wife snoring away and thinks fuck me why didn't I aim higher!

Well that's folks is your 12% !!!

How about your mate who shags the plain girl for a few months then chucks her when someone better comes along.

Thinking it was okay for a while she served her purpose but then looking for a hotter chick in the summer?

Colin, that "friend" of yours. It wouldn't be... would it?

Simeone
Allardyce
Silva
Unsworth

Not sure how much truth is in it but Simeone is supposedly Moshiri's first choice.

Obviously Simeone would be fabulous although unlikely I would think.

I would give it to Unsworth until Christmas as others have already said and take it from there.

Not sure about Silva, would like to see how he performs for the full season at Watford.

Do not want Allardyce at all but suspect he may get it on a short term contract with a formal approach made to Simeone next summer.

I like the fact the board are not rushing into any decision at the moment but do hope they make a statement before the end of the international break.

Would be nice if that Russian lad decided to sponsor more than Finch Farm and cut his ties with Arsenal too.

With our crop of youngsters, Howe would be great to bring them on. Big Sam would just play all the senior players which would bore the fans to death.

You pay to watch the team with your kids to be entertained. The Watford match was great; more of that please.

The board are taking their time and rightly so. Let's ignore Sky Sports and Sam's self -promotion and get behind Rhino. The win last weekend gave us breathing space.

I am liking this though because we are making noises about some top class proven manager who is tied to a long contract which shows real ambition.

I fear that we are on the brink of making a very bad decision; not the appointment of Allardyce but, much more dangerous, a half-baked Everton non-solution with Unsworth on an interim contract and vague indications of a summer review with a Big Name in our sights. Neither one thing nor the other, it's our default setting.

Well, we will get what we deserve, I suppose.

To get back to the topic of Sam Allardyce, this takes me back to being in the Park End last game of the season against West Ham a few years ago. We were having a good end-of-season day out beating them, and then they starting singing to a particular Bay City Rollers song tune ”Bye bye Moysie, Moysie bye bye, as he was hotfooting it off to Man Utd with plans to nick our best players.

However we outwitted them with the classic reposte: ”You've got Sam Allardyce, you've got Sam Allardyce, you've got Sam Allardyce, you've got Sam Allardyce” and at that point they had to admit defeat. God forbid we actually get Sam Allardyce!

Our managers tend to be younger for starters and not journeymen (although some like Moyes become that afterwards it would appear)

There's no need for him. If we are not going to get a manager in until the end of the season then let Unsworth have a go.

Games that are winnable are coming and we can collect enough points to be safe. Re-integrate the likes of Klaassen, get the Barkley saga resolved once and for all. I'd rather see a team progressing like they have looked in glimpses under Unsworth with energy and youth than Allardyce to come in, completely change it all over again and subject us to dour football.

Allardyce has spent his 25 year managerial career aspiring to a top-notch job. I suggest his rationale during that quarter century was to do whatever it took to promote himself. By never having been relegated he established a reputation and then got what he'd always aspired to by way of the England job.

He immediately fucked that up of course.

My query is; does he still have aspirations, credible or not, to become the manager of a top-notch club or does he now see himself as I do, a busted flush, gratified beyond belief to be being sought after by a.n.other club in the shit, us, who'll pay him more than he's ever been paid whilst praying that his compulsion is still alive and credible to prove himself as a top-notch manager at a top-notch club?

Personally I doubt it. He's shown he'd sell his soul for money. Moshiri beware!

Would you accept Allardyce until the end of the season with a guarantee of Simeone from then on?

I don't want Allardyce as manager, but I think the chances of him becoming manager changed in the 90th minute against Watford. Lose that match, staying in the relegation zone, and we'd be reading totally different headlines this week. And Monday brought good news with Moyes becoming unavailable for at least the next couple of months.

Silva seems a good manager, but there seems to be a long list of young/new managers who come into the spotlight, have a good season or two, get a job at a bigger club (but not too big) and then implode. I don't know if Silva will fall into that category, but his results as a manager aren't as wonderful as some would have you believe.

I like Rhino, seems like a nice guy, but are we really prepared to risk our season on a novice after three straight defeats and a rather fortunate win?

Relegation remember isn't just a rather embarrassing summer with the reds and then a fun push for promotion next season. It's another stadium dream dead! and I'm fed of them. Can we also please have a little reality on here and cut the Simeone nonsense out too which is cringeworthy and embarrassing.

Can't believe there are still so many deluded fans waxing lyrical about Tuchel and other 'top drawer' managers to take us into the Champions League. Have you seen just how far we are away from that? It's gonna take a tough uncompromising Premier League professional to sort out this mess that our last high-profile manager has left us in.

And for all those pontificating about how we don't want this greedy money grabbing fat man honestly don't understand how the modern football game works now, with backhanders and filled brown paper bags sorting the transfer deals out. I'd love a saint too but more importantly I want a manager who is gonna get us out of this mess.

Personally I ain't no fan of Sam but if Dyche isn't interested he may be the best chance we have of being in the premier league next season and that scares me a lot.

I don't want Fat Sam coz it means we have accepted we are a mid table club but I think I may consider him because we currently are in the relegation zone with not much else to look forward to for the rest of this season.

I think a lot of reality pills are required on here tonight.

The team achieved a win with a battling performance. They didn't drop their heads at 0-2, and maybe they deserved their luck. Better teams than us achieve results similarly at times, as well as losing.

We all know the consequences of relegation. Relegation is always a risk of varying degree for all but the top teams. Our poor start has raised our risk, but it's November and there have been tangible signs of improvement.

To some posters here, it comes down to the difference between shitting ourselves at this stage and bringing in a manager, almost any manager, on the assumption we're already doomed. Not so in everyone's eyes.

It's an opinion based on balance of risk and probability. We pretty much know what we'll get with Bungy. We can make a guess with Dyche to a degree, but we'd hope for more than he's showed so far. This requires faith and hope that he'll deliver.

Apparently potentially better European managers may be more likely to take us further when working in an environment that makes that possible. How would those guys perform in a low-table battle in the Premier League. Who knows? Faith and hope again.

Unsworth might deliver, if we give it a little more time. The fact he's "Inexperienced" also means we have nothing to go on, so we don't know he can't do it yet.

It equally scares me, that the club might panic so much as to think it necessary to bring in Team Allardyce, sweeping away everything, on an assumed certainty of relegation. It's November, and the known certainties of Allardyce are not worth it at this stage.

By the way, we're currently not in the relegation zone.

Many managers of decent and outstanding quality wouldn't break their contract mid season, too much to lose.

The only decent out of work manager, Tuchel, appears equally reluctant to jump in with too many question marks at the club.

Diego has been at Athleti for some time, perhaps he does fancy a change of scene. Some media outlets suggest although he wouldn't jump ship now, he doesn't break contracts but his advisers are willing to listen.

That leaves the interim; again Gus Hiddink strikes me as the right target, if we won't blood Unsworth.

We are in a huge mess but with the next 5 games against equally poor sides, waiting is an option, and review at Xmas.

Everton have to, especially now act like the big club they are.

Its obviously you who doesn't understand how the modern game at the highest level works.

Gone are the days of brown bags in service stations.

Its all about consulting fees, which, in Fat Sam's case, was offered by undercover journos who caught him red handed telling them how to navigate transfers.

If Fat Sam is a Walsh recommendation then I question Walsh's judgement. Not least because of Allardyce's embarassing sting relating to circumventing transfer rules. Surely Walsh would want to steer clear.

Before I woke up.

I have to laugh at those who are calling for Allardyce to come and manage us, especially those who saw right through TGT.

Allardyce is Moyes lite, he has spent most of his managerial career finishing below Moyes. The football his teams play has often been even uglier. He delivers zero in the way of success or entertainment . . if Moyes is The Hound, this fuckers The Mountain. No doubt somebody will come along and offer "mitigating circumstances" for his crash bang wallop approach, but this sick joke should be stopped right now.

The fact is; He has been largely unwelcome wherever he has been and the majority of the fans of the clubs he has left, have been glad to see the fucking back of him.
Look at the TW poll, Evertonians are no different, hardly anyone wants him . .There's a very good reason for that

Moyes, Martinez, Koeman . . . and now we have people calling for Big fucking Sam. I'm beginning to suspect there is a really unhealthy masochistic streak amongst out ranks

Who is your choice?

Still nobody stands out to me though, and it's for this reason that I'm glad we are taking our time.

Im no lover of big Sam but I don't see him being any different from Dyche. Perhaps im wrong but Burnley hardly play much different from what Sams Bolton teams did.

Players make styles anyway and im uncertain who we should give it to but the one thing certain is the new man will need time as we are weak all over the pitch. Lets get out of the dogfight and make the right decision at the end of the season.

I'd say: "Don't hire Alladyce. Please."

How low can we get ?

If Unsy can keep us mid table to the end of the season then Paulo Fonseca from Shaktar Donesk is the way forward, & no compensation to pay.

Hopefully he can also bring a couple of players with him.

A no brainer. But we are Everton so!!!!!!!!!

Julian Nagelsmann?
Tommy Tuchel?
Paolo Fonseca?
Eddie Howe?
Marcelo Gallardo?
Andre Villas Boas?

Can we add Sean Dyche and David Unsworth to a list of good young coaches.

All of these guys are under 45. All pose a significant gamble, with Tommy Tuchel the least gamble of the lot and then probably Dyche.

With a young coach we need someone who understands things interviewing them. Not Kenwright. Not someone who can be blinded by buzz words and clichés. We need a manager who can satisfy the following:
- can coach 4 internationals (Baines, Jagielka, Williams, Keane) and 2 u21 internationals (Kenny and Holgate) into a solid back 4;
- can devise a formation to strike the balance between keeping us solid at the back and yet still a threat in attack;
- can utilise the youth I the squad to get pace and energy into the side whilst also utilising the experience of seasoned professionals supposedly in their prime;
- can revitalise the current squad without selling them all off at a knockdown price and costing the club effectively next summers transfer budget;
- has a style of play that fits in with the ethos of the club and the players at the disposal;
- has a coaching background and can give details of the work on the coaching pitch that he will do to correct what is going on and how we can make significant changes to the team without changing the personnel;
- is a strong character and a leader of men;
- is robust enough to stick to the plan when things are going wrong but not foolish enough to see that something is just not working (Martinez and Koeman);
- has a clear and understandable long-term vision for the club;
- committed to the club for the next three to five years.

I would suggest the interviews should be led by Unsworth (if he is not a serious candidate himself - he will learn significantly from the experience) and by Walsh, with Kenwright and Moshiri observing and only getting involved when it comes to their personal area of expertise.

I would also want the club to send the candidate DVDs from the last 6 months, and ask them for details and insights into how to turn things around. For sure, that is a lot of work and you may well have to pay them for their time, but it will show if the guy is committed and it will also show just how insightful the coach actually is.

It also shows the club are not enthusiastic about appointing Big Sam, because he would have been appointed on Monday as all the negotiation could have been done before the Watford game and then the announcement after the game.

Otherwise give it to Rhino to Christmas and access where we are then. Sounds simple .

Steve Walsh has supposedly recommended Allerdyce, and Shakespeare, so he's either got his feet right under the table, or Moshiri is beginning to see the error of his ways?

Pursuing that in the last 50 years has brought little success and relegation.

Rings lots of bells reading the nonsense written on here. Careful what you wish for fellers.

Anyone who thinks that we don't have to worry about relegation until Christmas, the give Unsy a go brigade, is barking mad.

At the minute relegation is a strong possibility, some managers will shy away from that. By New Year, with a continuation of the naïve approach shown in the last four games, it will be nailed on and any manager would be mad to take it on.

Harry Redknapp spoke about Sunderland last year and said that he was surprised that DM took the job. Everyone knew they were going down just as they knew that the MUFC job was a poisoned chalice 5 years ago.

Opinion in the game about Everton is headed in that direction. Don't kid yourselves. We don't have the luxury of time.

To the players a manager on a mere six month contract may be considered irrelevant unless he and they, personally, gel from the get-go. Those who don't "buy in" will know they only have to turn up at Finch Farm and fanny about for a few months before someone of their personal taste might be appointed to manage them or, if we're relegated, get their agent to find another club for them to flounce about at whilst the millions cascade into their bank accounts.

Just saying.

Watford have started the season very similarly to the two previous ones under Flores & Mazzarri, in fact Flores started better having more points and conceding half as many goals at the same stage of the season...

Is Quique Flores, a Europa League winner and domestic trophy winner with Benfica, on anyone's shortlist?

Watford have identical points, wins, draws, losses and goal difference after game 11 as Mazzarri had last season.

Is Walter Mazzarri, another trophy winner with Sampdoria & Napoli, on anyone's short list?

I'd be pleased for anyone to show me any indication that Silva's performance history rather than that of his two Watford predecessors should be named as a favourite for the job.

A couple of days ago I was listening to talk sport and they were saying how Burnley were flying however they also mentioned that they were just awful to watch and they went on to say that so many teams are terrible to watch in premier league due to the fear of losing their top flight status and so now we are seeing a brand of low risk football where they play the percentages .
Do we really want to see a return of this type of football that we saw for many years under Moyes ? Dyche would make us hard to beat but that's about it , same goes for fat Sam !!

If Unsy can keep us up then he could be replaced in the summer. I don't see him being long term tbh.

Just playing devils advocate here, if Unsy doesnt do so well in the next few games and we still find ourselves hovering around the relegation zone...

Who do we want?

I'm very worried to see Unsworth "odds on " today. We can't afford to wait ANY longer, never mind January with a novice manager (who hasn't impressed so far). He needs to work his way up.

This "give him a go 'cos he's a bluenose " mentality strikes me as being reckless. The tide seems to have turned for him on the strength of 25 minutes, when we scrambled the win. A missed penalty by Watford, who could have been out of sight by then.

Give him some time, there is no panic just yet. He's tried out different players and arrangements, and the last match was a battling win. The slide appears to have been arrested, and vital spirit is returning to the team. There's more to it than just the blue nose angle.

I'm no expert, but does anybody really stand out? We have had enough of these foreign managers, and we don't want another Moyes, even if I don't think Dyche, would be another David Moyes.

Burnley are playing much better football than they were last season, because they have stayed in the division and added to there squad. They sold Keane for £25 million, and have signed his replacement for a quarter of that fee.

His replacement might be better, he might allow them to play a bit higher up the pitch, and he also lost Trippier another one of his better players when they dropped into the Championship.

We will only really know how good Dyche, is when he's given a bigger job, but it's unfair to compare him to Moyes, because he's done a lot better than Moyes ever did, by the same stage in his management career.

He's more astute, not really a risk taker said Joey Barton, more sensible, maybe less ego? But if Sir Alex picks you, then maybe your head is allowed to go big!!

In my view, we need players to come in during the January window.

If a new manager has to get to know the squad, assess their strengths and weaknesses, then identify what positions are most in need of strengthening. Then to bring that manager in during the January window, when we are still involved in maintaining (or obtaining) an improved position in the League, is dangerous indeed.

Unsy won't be picking any players unless he is a permanent appointment. The new manager will be left with no break during the Winter rush of cup and league, to search for those players he thinks might be needed and organise the team from scratch.

Whoever is going to be manager, I'd hope it is sorted during this next week.

I don't want to see in Season 17-18: Everton relegated! By one of our own!

Look how Newcastle fared when Shearer was made manager.

He could have proved how good he is at the sharp end.He has been content with his u23 role and really that is what he is good at.

I don't want to see him pilloried and forced out of the club when things go wrong with the first team.

However , The current Everton job requires some experience at the pit face of club management.

It is a difficult time in the season to get exactly what the club wants long term. Gus Hiddink is being mentioned as a safe pair of hands until June. A far far better option than big Sam . I think the fans may accept that fire fighting solution. He is someone the players would respect and play for.

It would give the board some time to get the right man in from the start of the close season in June.

The new manager could hit the ground running with some top reinforcements lined up.

I know the majority are generated off the journalist' treadmill, but I would rather Everton Football Club; who must be aware that Allardyce is possibly the most unwelcome choice among Evertonians; to actually grow a pair, and dispel these ugly rumours once and for all.

I was reading somewhere that Allardyce is stating that Ross Barkley could be jeopardising his career, by making the wrong move in January. While Allardyce is entitled to an opinion, as is everyone else, the article seemed to suggest that Allardyce had some connection as to influence Ross.

Maybe it's only me reading too much into it, but worrying all the same.

I suspect we have earmarked a foreign “name” manager who may or may not be available yet.

Plan A would be to bring him in now, if possible.

Plan B would be an interim manager until the real target becomes available.

Had we lost to Watford, we would have had an interim appointment from outside (a bit like the Hammers have done). I suspect the current Board debate is whether or not Unsy can fit the bill for the next six months. Of course if we shoot up the table, and he brings CL football next year, the foreign name will be forgotten.

People seem to want some announcement from Goodison. I wouldn't hold your breath. Everton don't actually have to say anything more for a while, do they? Unsy has already been appointed caretaker and so long as the results look OK I presume he will remain so.

In any case I hope Allardyce is nowhere in the equation.

For me Unsworth for the rest of the season, followed by an as yet to be named high profile manager with a pedigree background.

Worst case scenario is Big Sam for the rest of the season, which I can't (hopefully) see happening.

A proper fresh Melton Mowbray pork pie would cost about £3.50 for a small/medium sized one in an East Midlands Bakery.

Instead of paying big Sam 6m per year we could just buy 1.7m pork pies instead.

This works out at 2 free top quality pies per supporter per home game , away fans and cup games included.

We would have no manager but I'd do it for a jar of piccalilli + some pickled onions .

Oh , and a memory foam bum cushion on the managers seat.

make no mistake, this team is in deep deep trouble, and unless we get a specialist in who can tighten us up at the back and get the players fitter then we will be relegated. I don't think Unsworth is the man to do this, as he has already shown me in the past 4 games his tactical ineptitude. Yes we beat Watford, but we were lucky in that game after being firmly second best for about an hour.

I really don't see what the issue with Allardyce at Everton is. he is a specialist in keeping teams up, and that is what we need, not a cheerleader like Unsworth. he is the best option out there atm, and we should go and get him asap at least until the end if the season. then we can pursue the pipe dream of Simeone.

it's a no-brainer.

I don't think our Mr49.5 % has a skoobie doo, so just give the job to Marshy - it might keep him quiet for a bit !

We need a man with a plan. Someone who trusts his methods and isn't chopping and changing each week hoping to fluke a result.
Unsworth will be out thought by the other premier league managers. The guy has zero experience and has only ever come up against coaches of U23 sides. These coaches are not up and coming managers.
Unsworth had been second best to each of the 4 managers he's come up against. We finally had some luck against Watford but can't rely on that for the rest of the season.

I don't like hearing senior players saying he's been brilliant. To me, that sounds like players wanting their mate to get the job. If Unsworth is in charge, you can be sure that Jags, Baines, Rooney, and Kenwright will have a big say in picking the team.
That is asking for trouble, and why on earth has Vlasic been cast aside?
Is it because he's one of Koeman's young players? How is that kid not even making the bench?

Allardyce had six defeats in his first eight games as manager of Palace. I wonder how that would be received here... sacked? Palace eventually stayed up. It takes some time, even for a so-called specialist in survival like Bungy.

Unsworth may improve it further with some more time.

At the moment it seems like we've entered into a state of indecisive limbo.

It is coming to the point where the dithering and drifting will cause further harm to the prospects of stability. Worse still it will cost us precious points.

I urge the board to make a decision for the good of the club.