Uncertainty over Allardyce's Everton future following meeting with Moshiri

Louis van Gaal as our next manager is the latest rumour, teaming up with Brands? He's managed many a big club in the past, though his last stint at Man Utd wasn't exactly covered in glory, his last season wasn't too dissimilar to Jose's first, but is he what we need right now?

I think I'd rather roll the dice on a younger generation manager, we couldn't do any worse, could we?

Then we should announce who the new manager will be before the seasons end, that way no summer disruptions or uncertainty.

Allow the new team of Brands and whoever to make plans, talk to agents, even talk to current playing staff and coaches.

Beyond manager, we need a whole new backroom, only Unsworth should stay. All this way before July 1st please.

Alleluia!!

Makes some sense I guess.

Like the idea of the con artist hanging by a thread.

Just need a non disclosure clause or whatever it is called when he leaves so he cannot sell a "victim" story to tabloids.

Then we can all just write it off as a bad dream we had and pretend it never happened.

Myself, still have faith in Moshiri and think he does have an ambitious longer term plan for our club.

I want Sam gone as much and as quickly as the next man but do I trust Moshiri to get it right with his replacement?? I've seen precious little evidence so far to convince me. It appears his knowledge of football is whatever Billy Bullshit whispers in his ear

It would not surprise me that the new Manager coming in cannot win in this situation and once again we will be calling for his head by November. The club has lost all credibility – I cannot believe a questionnaire can be responsible for removing a manager.

I could go ten deep on potential managers and Arsene wouldn't make the list.

Relieve him of his duties and say a public 'thank you' for achieving what he set out to do. State we offered him the opportunity to see out the season but he's chosen to go now. Make it clear that we need an ambitious appointment to meet the ambition of the club.

Then, we can enjoy the last few games with either a caretaker or a new man in charge.

Then learn the lesson. Don't ever appoint a FatSam-alike again. It was doomed from the start... a really pathetic appointment.

The next question then becomes whether we can get it right next time. Moshiri is getting a lot right, but if he can't get this one right then there's not much hope for us over the next few years – it will be yet another false dawn.

Do you think Sam was Bill's choice? For all his failings I struggle to believe a romantic like Bill would opt for that bloke.

I actually wrote to Moshiri, a polite letter stating some facts that he ought to be aware of! Ambition was in there, an empty Goodison if Allardyce is retained & a caustic atmosphere! I get the impression he's not football savvy & things needed to be said!

So I thought maybe today I'd done the trick and Bisto head was history! But no a stay of execution, where are the scissors Dermot? just cut the damn thread!! :) Hope we get Fonseca as I'm a big fan & I know he's done wonders at Shaktar. The travelling they do beggars belief, train in Kiev 500 km away, home matches in Kharkov again 500 km south! Plenty of air miles!

By setting the target to, what will effectively end up being about 36 points, we showed such limited ambition, and handed Sam a trumpet for him to be able to blow his own horn for the rest of the season.

Giving himself an “11 out of 10” for this season based purely on the fact that he achieved his set target tells you everything you need to know. He is smugly using this as a stick to beat us with, and makes it that little bit harder to sack him.

And why wouldn’t he start comparing us to the likes of Newcastle and West Brom, when the target he was set by our owners put us squarely in the same bracket as them?

While his appointment has indeed seen us steer away from trouble, I think he has done far more harm than good for our club.

The sooner we get rid the better.

We deserve better.

We should demand better.

It's like some Game of Thrones style torturous toying tactic. What's the point in him being summoned to London, missing training for there to be no outcome?!

Today's 0930 press conference will be interesting. Even if Moshiri has laid down the law, I'm not sure Sam can or will choose to ignore probing on his future in a professional manner... even with money at stake. Maybe he's too old for this shit, or nobody puts Lardy in the corner, or he'll stand in defiance and ask if we're not entertained, or, or, or he'll just say it's up to the owner... he's just the manager, focus on tomorrow etc, etc.

Let's just hope we have a replacement.

The People's Club...???? Ffs, do me a favour.

Have you not watched the utter dross we have been producing week after week under his so-called management? Have you listened to him publicly slating his own players but being prepared to grab all the credit for any small victory?

Then we have his Koemanesque, Niasse-like statement regarding Harbury. Basically saying 'If he wants to play football, he needs to leave Everton.' You don't destroy your own players in public, that's a private matter for the manager's office. Then there's his attitude towards some of the other younger players.

I can see us losing Lookman, a great prospect, due to the way he's been pushed out to make way for an unfit, mostly unproductive Bolasie, not to mention similar treatment of Vlasic.

As for Davy Klaassen, he probably has zero confidence left after Allardyce has again virtually written him off in public. This was a man with a great reputation at home and in Europe before making the career-destroying move to Everton.

If Allardyce is still here next season I feel sure it will be more of the same, every week because he knows no other way of playing the game. No excitement, very few shots, even fewer goals and listening to him celebrating 'fantastic' away points gained in turgid draws at places like Swansea, Brighton etc.

So no, it's not just the survey that will have done for Allardyce, that's just the icing on the cake.

The current board has overseen the last 3 managers and assembled the current very poor squad. Why do we think they are suddenly going to get it all right?

Buckle up, fellow Evertonians – the bumpy ride will continue for sometime. We have been an embarrassment on and off the pitch.

That seems a bit strong. The football has been awful and I'm not a fan of the man but he has done pretty much exactly what the board asked of him. If we stay 8th even I would have to concede that, results-wise, he's done a decent job.

He's a wind-up and reacts to fans' insults – he's human.

I've no animosity towards him.

We will know by Christmas if there is any improvement, patience will be pretty thin on the ground, one hammering at Anfield and the usual calls for the manager to go will follow. We're in serious danger of becoming the next Sunderland.

The footy has been dire, but Sam A did get the points... he did what he was brought in to do. Others – like Coleman at Sunderland, Pardew at West Brom – didn't.

"Look, Sam, myself & Bill love what you're doing. Hoofing it away like Sunday League side at Anfield was genius. It's those fuckers in the stands who don't want you. Out of a possible 380,000, you only scored 3¾!"

I'm no big fan of Allardyce myself but, like you said, he's done what he's been brought in to do. Yes, the football has been awful and will continue to be unless we get a young, forward-thinking, vibrant manager. I think looking at that crowd over the park hasn't helped, the way their blowing teams away.

It's up to Moshiri now to get this next appointment right or we 'll continue to tread water. Personally, I wouldn't trust him to run down the corner shop for a message.

I agree with Kunai that Allardyce is/has made himself the most hated manager in our history Sam H – no-one else has come close in my view.

As for yesterday's meeting, it is reported that he must wait for EFC to clarify his future – some would say "dithered". Well, I remember him pompously announcing to the world that Everton had dithered over offering him the job so he had informed us that he was no longer interested – tragically, Moshiri went back to him cap in hand. Well, Sam, it looks like we've "dithered" again but I don't suppose you've got the moral fibre to walk away again, have you?

Just get out of our Club!

The survey is irrelevant (the same one was issued last year – I didn't hear any furore about it then); you only have to listen to the away fans chiding us with you've got Sam Allardyce and our fans baying for his blood at away games to recognise he isn't fit to be the manager.

Reading some of the posters on here making excuses for him makes me wonder whether they have been attending the morgue that is Goodison Park. Sack him today!

He never expected to be here long term and he'll walk away next month saying he's done his job – which, to be fair, he has.

I expect the chase to start from a realistic shortlist of Fonseca, Silva, Howe and Dyche (not really my choice if we are looking for a variation in style of play).

He has been employed here to do a job and he has done that job.

If Sam stays, nothing will change:

The style of play (or lack of it);
The gloating about how well we have played (when we have just watched a load of shite football);
The slow, defensive, try not to lose attitude where we hold out for 90 mins in the hope of getting a lucky goal.

With three games to go and we are completely safe, so we should say goodbye now and get in a manager to change out style and attitude before we become a constant relegation-fighting team.

For me there are three choices Wenger (with a younger assistant), Fonseca or Silva. I am sure there are lots of fans with better knowledge of football than me who will have lots of better options without trawling up the usual Mancini, Ancelotti, Simeone etc.

I'm not one for hounding him out because people like Moshiri and Kenwright get well paid as custodians to make the decisions but surely they can see that we are fucked off with this.

Being linked with crocks, has-beens and shite like Ki gets me worried that this charlatan will remain at the helm and come Christmas we'll be mid-table and being told in post-match interviews by him that was his brief, to stay on the coattails of Leicester and Burnley, so what are we moaning for?

If he stays, all faith in Moshiri will be lost and he'll be seen in the same light as Kenwright by most.

The "People's club" should listen to the people.

I admire him for the amount of vitriol he gets and still manages to get enough from a team to ensure survival – many, many others don't manage that.

We really need a new direction though – his is survival football only and we need more.

That is Sam Allardyce press conference at 9:30 will be asked the question about the meeting and he will say very positive and planning for next season.

He will be staying.

Personally, I don't think Moshiri is the cash cow saviour we thought, and I can't say his soundbites, whether through Jim White or himself, give me hope for the future.

Sacking Sam would cheer me up today, though.

But next season, Everton badly need a manager with Premier League experience who knows how to play football. That man is Arsene Wenger. Everton should also hire Mikel Arteta has his assistant and heir.

He'll get it with, will Sam; so it's "grin and bear it", I'm afraid...

He’s not going to manage another club in England nor move up North and you couldn’t really imagine at his age and a man of his experience would want to take on the mess that exists at Everton right now?

I’d love Wenger with Arteta number 2 don’t get me wrong but it’s never happening.

I’ve got my worries it’ll either be Allardyce or Dyche, who for me having watched Burnley’s style of play, I’m not sure too many Everton fans would remain patient watching a different kind of grind.

I wouldn't mind betting he uses this press conference to wind us fans up even more by suggesting there is no problem and they were finalising budgets for next season. He will again remind everyone that he single-handedly has lifted us from relegation, and will still insist the West Ham result was his.

He's not the manager, in my opinion, who will win us silverware. Time to go.

I like, most on here want Sam gone, he's done what he was brought here to do, impressed some Evertonians surprisingly, but failed miserably in the eyes of most Blues, I just hope Mr. Moshiri appoints the right man to take over, and would love him to buy the rest of Woods and Kenwrights shares but I think Kenwright is here as long as he wants to be, unfortunately, what a leech the man is.

By the way as a matter of interest The Queen (Elizabeth 11 not Elton John or Tom Daley) rang me yesterday she wants to get rid of Balmoral so the first one to get round to mine with £1million can have it, I'll be in tomorrow morning around 9.00 I live at the first telephone box in Lime St station I'll be wearing a Bermuda Shirt and Shorts and have a black suitcase be there before my train to Manchester Airport at 9.15. Then enjoy your own castle.

Don't go for a celeb name and be back here in two or three years time — we are not the club we once were, the game has gone into a new era and we are struggling to compete. There is little or no loyalty from managers or players and this guy is laughing at all of us but, then again, so is Matinez and Koeman and quite a few of the players.

The reputation we had as a top well-run club has been lost since the arrival of Mr Moshiri; he is not a football person – listen to Radio Merseyside, Monday Night Phone-In... even the Red Shite feel sorry for us.

Moshiri is a businessman and will not want to spend £6m+ firing Sam and hiring a new manager who may not get us any higher in the table. If we do well in the remaining games there is a real chance we might stay 8th and more importantly 7th in the table during Allardyce's reign. It seems clear from Moshiris comments about games we expect to get beaten in that he does not see us as genuine top 5 contenders yet. So why would he spend a fortune hiring a new manager who may only take us one position up in the league? As much as we moan and bleat on here the ticket sales continue to soar. Perhaps better football might get us more live games on Sky but other than that where's his margin coming from. I worry he might be happy to save his pennies for the stadium.

I have a horrible feeling that if we get 7 points or so from the last 3 games that Sam might well be here next season.

Allardyce confirms he has “clarity” on next season from Moshiri and can now start planning for next season after talks in London yesterday.

Oh please no!

He went on further to say he is only looking thin down the squad and sign any player who can improve the first team (or some such words, can't be bothered to read it properly!).

His feet are firmly under the table but no doubt they will be back in his mouth before too long.

I can understand him staying from a financial point, if we are still paying Koeman and after the Martinez settlement, but how can the club write a season off when the previous season isn't even finished yet?!!

I promised my lad I would take him to his first game next season well I can't do that if this dinosaur is still in charge. I mean seriously, he compared himself to Simeone at his press conference ok then, let's see us finish 2nd above Man Utd next season, because that is what Simeone has done in Spain. Aaarrrrgggghhhhh!

If I was given a choice between Allardyce staying and Billy Bullshit leaving I would put up with the fat bribe taker (allegedly) for another season.

How could Moshiri hire Ronald Koeman, so that we could we could compete in the “new Hollywood of football”, and follow that by bringing in Sam Allardyce. What do they have in common?

This is desperate stuff!

On the player front it would seem that 8 or so Out and 3 or 4 in would be the plan. With Quality over quantity the order or the day.

The board have been frugal for years and have used every transfer window as a means to making a profit.We now have absolutely no big money assets amongst the present squad and the cash made on Lukaku has been squandered.Realistically I cannot see this board stumping up enough money to be able to attract a top manager.

Season tickets sales have rocketed and we're finishing top 8 though, so Moshiri will wonder why he should waste another load of money on getting rid of Allardyce and having to buy another squad for yet another manager. Where's the incentive for him to do what the fans want?

The fact is like him or not Allardyce has done the job he was brought in to do.

We were in deep shit when he took over from Koeman and Unsworth, but we are currently 8th and can look forward to another year in the EPL, a few months ago we were on our way down.

He may not be the future but he has done his job and maybe in the next 2-5 years we can remember that.

Another summer of rebuilding awaits and more signings again for another new dawn for Evertonians ! ?!

Lots of clubs the RS included have wasted a lot more money than we have, lets hope we can get it right for next season.

Sad day for mankind.

It's a 5-year project anyway, if we get the right coach. . . Steve Ferns's framework is the only way.

He has done the absolute bare minimum and shown zero ambition. Nothing he has done says he deserves to be here next season. Rooney will be the first name on the team sheet and we'll continue with the depressing performances on the pitch. His negative footballing attitude will get us nowhere.

Koeman sacked - 25 October.

There's still hope, maybe!

Have you forgotten the Walter Smith/Archie Knox regime? And what about the Dutch Bollock who landed us in this mess in the first place and is still drawing a salary from the club?

This has been the most disappointing season in living memory because the pre-season expectations were so high but point the finger where the blame lies: Allardyce is simply a symptom of the underlying cause of our distress.

I have to say that on the survey the management and leadership off the pitch got the same score from me as Allardyce & Co got for what they serve up on it.

Or could he actually be a thoroughly decent Everton taking one for the club to maintain some kind of stability while we get the man we want to replace him? I don't think so.

All I can conclude is that Moshiri has either fed him a line, or actually wants to keep him around.

I honestly don't know how much more I can take of this club.

It's not that I never thought we were in trouble. Our form under Koeman absolutely had us in trouble, but I just didn't think we needed to aim so low to avoid the drop.

But we did it... and where are we now? What was the plan once we stayed up? Sam's appointment knocked us back in terms of how we are viewed. We're Bolton. We're Sunderland. A small club surviving in the big league by turning games into unwatchable crap and throwing in the towel away from home.

None of this is hindsight. We could have played our way out of trouble – something that the squad was much better suited to than what we've done.

Maybe we'd have finished in exactly the same place? Maybe one or two places either side, but I doubt another appointment would have done the damage to our reputation. And it's our reputation and perceived ambition that we're about to try to sell to players and maybe (hopefully) a manager.

Not hindsight. All written on these pages at the time and completely forseeable.

We need to have banners at the last home game and chant and really, really make it clear to Moshiri that we don't want him here, so there's no way he can misunderstand. We need to make more noise!!

Allardyce out now!!

Thanks for your concern I am feeling a lot better now that I know someone out there cares.

I also hear on the grapevine that Glyn Pardew is in line for the job. What wonderful football we will see.

Of course, he neglected to mention that our generally boring 'shower' has been 'entertained' off the Park by such as Man City, but it does apparently seem – to him – that, although a coach may be classed as a 'Master', defensively, in Europe... such old salts as our poor old Sam will always just get labelled 'defensive' or 'boring'.

Think that was pretty much it. As the yanks say 'Go figure', yeah? So... who needs Fonseca, huh?

Every season, we behave as if we are a newly promoted club, out of our depth in the Premier League, with no chance of adding to our collection of trophies, no chance of beating our bigger local rivals, no chance of turning teams over, no chance of winning very often if at all away from home and no chance of seeing an individual player lighting up the gloom of Goodison Park.

I'm sick to death of believing that a corner has been turned or that the leadership of the club have the best intentions for us the supporters, because every time they shrug their shoulders, look at the 'sold out' signs and believe they have done their job. If the club's survey was as overwhelming as the TW poll, then surely any businessperson with an ounce of intelligence would realise that the customers are far from happy.

Mr Moshiri, it appears, is little more than a richer Bill Kenwright operating in a more expensive marketplace. The shackles are still there, as they have been for far too long. The people who run the club are dreamers who sell those dreams to us and any player/agent who's daft enough to listen to them, but when it comes to actual progress on or off the pitch, there is none and there hasn't been for 10 years. New ground, my arse, that will require funding from the club.

If I'm wrong about Sam's future, then I tentatively apologise, because there's no guarantee that the board will appoint the right replacement and the idea that another dour personality such as Lous van Gaal will take the reins fills me with little more hope than having Big Sam in the hot-seat.

I can't remember feeling so out of touch with the club and its leadership, and the final straw if it hasn't already arrived is very very close. Voting with our feet is the only option, however, most of us have already renewed for next season, so that won't have much of an effect in the short-term.

We cannot continue to give our wholehearted support to a club that allows the rubbish football served up by Sam, Koeman et al over the last few decades.

Oh the travails of being an Evertonian!

Surely Mr Moshiri cannot encounter putting up with this style of football?

Thank god I'm away for our last home game – roll on 13th May when things will hopefully become clearer.

Fed-up Blue.

To be fair, the players shouldn't get a good reception either. This season has been shambolic from the moment we threw away a 1-goal lead away at Man City against 10 men.

Chances of getting Emery: Nil.

And, like someone mentioned above, that Howe has improved Bournemouth, unfortunately, I can't see any improvements; one is a poor version of Moyes and the other is of Martinez.

I don't know the answer to our managerial issues but I would go for Fosenca, or Graham Potter (Ostersunds, a Swedish club) or, if he was interested, Manicini...

No small-club potential managers. But hey what do I know?

Sam was nothing more than an insurance policy on Moshiri's investment. *If* we assume PSV's Brands is in fact coming to Everton, he's going to get to handpick his own manager – not be saddled with someone he may not be able to work with effectively. Which means every rumor about managers is complete nonsense.

It further means every rumor about transfers or loans is equally baseless, as the people who will make those decisions aren't even Everton employees yet. The conversations Sam and Walsh are having likely carry as much weight as those we're having on this forum.

If we just think it will happen and stay silent, then logically he will remain.

Imagine having to sack in October next season, and having to start again... again!

Klaassen got plenty of chances and never showed anything resembling a player Koeman paid a tidy sum for. Koeman wrecked the club and we missed a great opportunity to kick on.

But I fear we are in a long-term project that will take 10 years more if Sam Allardyce is not sacked at the end of this season.

In fairness, we did try for Silva, and perhaps he could have got us a similar points haul with better football. However, I am of the opinion that many of our players are to blame for the poor quality of our football and our away form. Many couldn't do the basics for Koeman, Unsworth or Sam.

Allardyce is very savvy and despite his public assurances I reckon that he is well aware that he will be on his merry way in the Summer. am far from being an apologist for him but our players have been awful for ages.

The good thing is that we haven't got Europa League football, which has buggered-up plenty of teams with squads of our quality.

I would be happy if we got Howe or Arteta. I don't want Dyche, as his Burnley team are only marginally more entertaining than ourselves. Moshiri's next move is the most important one for us for years to come. It has to be a statement of intent.

The new manager will set the tone for the style of football and the sort of player we need. The expectations were high when we went shopping early in the summer of 2017. Now the expectations are much lower and most of us would be happy with a youngish coach and a quality midfield player, a centre-half, a left-back, and another striker.

In medical parlance, I would rather call Allardyce a 'severe complication' that has arisen after the surgery that was intended to cure the original disease.

He's like a growth, a cancer that hass taken root and refuses to let go. Moshiri had the opportunity to cut that cancer out cleanly and efficiently this week but showed he has no real grasp of what Everton is in terms of our history and the way we want to see the game played, and is allowing our suffering to drag on as we become a bigger embarrassment every time the fat one opens his mouth. We can never be taken seriously as a contender for honours by anyone, anywhere as long as lardarse is in charge. Why is Moshiri so weak? Why did we have to get a billionaire with no real knowledge of the game? I fear for the patient, because without radical surgery I can see our illness becoming terminal.

ALLARDYCE OUT

Says who? This defeatism has allowed Kenwright to drag us into a permanent state of mediocrity. I said on another thread that we should replace 'nil satis' on the crest with 'there's no way' and it still the attitude. Finally, supporters are beginning to rebel starting hopefully at the next home game.

Bound to please many Blues methinks.