Dean statue disrespected but undamaged

There's enough of this type of thing happening in the political arena at present. It definitely has no place in football. Or are those responsible so feeble-minded that they think it's okay to copy what they're seeing in the media almost every day?

I wonder why so much trouble follows them around when they travel abroad, hmmn difficult to work out that, considering they are all such nice folk just having a good time.

Bellends get everything they deserve.

Oh, I forgot, "Worrea pikkin on us for?"

1. The above.

2. Trying to pin the blame for the Liver Building fire on an Everton fan. It wasn't, it was their near rioting during a health crisis.

3. Fake anti semitic news created by RS fans to discredit Everton.
https://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/labour-and-everton-fc-investigate-two-over-anti-israel-banner/

4. Footage of a red urinating over the funeral flowers by Dixie.

They should be enjoying celebrating their long-overdue title success instead of that the shit for brains firework crew try to destroy the city centre and trash streets.

I hope when fans are allowed to games again, and they are back in the Champions League they get a nice little group with friendly away ties in Turkey and Rome again, they can blame someone else then when the shit hits the fan can't they.

Seriously what was the point of this?

I just hope there isn't some sort of retaliation because we will get hammered by the media if that happens and will drag us down to their level.

And just when you thought it was impossible to dislike them any more...

Anyway, two things here:

1) If RS fans say it wasn't them, then that means to me they know who did it, so step forward and tell us who it was?

2) "No true Scouser would do that". So true, which proves the theory that RS fans aren't Scousers.

They really are a bunch of Neanderthals.

The unspoken question perplexed everyone. But instead of admitting our own culpability, seeing how our bad attitudes and fear created a situation where people would die,we immediately found other guilty parties to blame and put the victims out of our minds.
Hillsborough brought some empathy for those who died at Heysel. But even that was paltry to the point of insult.

One of the few LFC fans to be honest about the events at Heysel. If they can't face up to that they are never going to take blame for damage to Dixie Deans statues, the Liver Buildings, Rupert's Tower. There are plenty of decent reds however they are mostly mute when it comes
to facing up to their poor behaviour repeatedly it would seem.

I used to respect them back in the 1970's when Shankly and Paisley were in charge they had some humility as well as being great managers and I used to enjoy the banter with their fans now they are just reviled and not just by Evertonians.

As an EFC flag states I'd rather die with out history than live with theirs.

We are not them and we will never will be, thankfully.

They are lower than a snakes belly.

Or a rat's ball bag.

Retaliation is no excuse but it seems even our own fans are at times willing to portray it as instigation. I am not excusing the disgusting acts of vandalism by anybody. However, look at the frequency and gravity of acts for a good indicator as to what proportion of fans are imbeciles. It won't take long to find our share, though they clearly exist, are minute in proportion. Theirs, on the other hand....

Have they forgotten the way we behaved after the disaster that was Hillsboro, where there were nearly as many blue scarves tied to the Shankly gates as red scarves the day after the disaster. I still believe our tribute to those fans that died was the most moving of all the tributes paid, when we had a boy and girl dressed in Liverpool and Everton kits and with the numbers 9 & 6 on the backs of their shirts. Seeing that the recent incidents outside Anfield and then what happened at the Pier Head were truly disgraceful, cant be supporters who live miles away, these were caused by local fans. I am still waiting to see Spirit of Shankly apologise to Joe Anderson who predicted what would happen, and the only apology to the people of Liverpool over what happened at the Pier Head was in conjunction with the Red Echo. So I am not holding my breath waiting for them to say anything about the flare set alight on the Dixie Dean statue.

I am old enough to remember when there wasnt this nastiness between the fans, banter yes, but why or where this hateful behaviour has come from I don't know.

It makes me both very sad and absolutely boiling with rage to see how their fans behave. Like others, I would like to think that it is not scousers who are responsible but not sure it really matters where the culprits are from.

Time for Mr Moshiri to show his teeth and take LFC to task, it's got to stop before it's gets out of control. EFC should be insisting on an immediate apology and condemnation. Difficult to see how there will be retribution taken by our supporters unless strong action is taken now.

Even calling them animals is to cast aspersions on animals, who again would rarely behave in such a way, they are scumbags. Like many on here, I have a few Liverpool supporting friends, who equally abhor these actions, and are ashamed that these cretins not only (allegedly) support the same side, but are allowed to steal oxygen on a daily basis.

Paul above is right. We do have our fair share of dickhead fans as well. If you are getting gates of 35 to 40,000, you're gonna get a minority of idiots. What I don't like is how the media suppress their wrongdoings. Spitty back on Sky. The alleged Suarez racist incident then the t-shirts, Sakho and the banned substances, bricking the Man City team bus, fireworks at Barca's hotel, Pier Head (38 mins before Sky News even mentioned it the following g day) and so on.

Merseyside and both sets of fans should be very careful as each crazy act and the reactions to them divide the two groups even further. I'm no lover of the other side or of its supporters, but at the same time, I don't want to face a similar situation that we sadly see in Glasgow and other cities, when the two clubs meet.

We all label the other sides fans, as this or that, but we know that those descriptions are simply not true or accurate, they have a bigger share of idiots than we, but we still have them.

There are many reasons for our negative reactions towards their fans and that club, and many of them are legitimate, but to hold the higher moral ground - if that even exists in the tribalism of football - we must not stoop to the lowest levels of behaviour that those who perform these idiotic acts exhibit.

Criticise the idiots by all means but we should try and refrain from tarring every fan of theirs with the same brush. We have some very tough times to face as a community in the coming months and years, therefore, it is very important that we all do a little bit to repair the damage that has been done to the relationship between both sets of fans in recent times.

That applies to any LFC fans too, who should realise that seeing them winning things is unpleasant to us as Evertonians, but it isn't half as unpleasant as the constant over the top berating and barracking of our club by many of their fan-base. Live and let live, should be the motto, but both sets of fans and the rest of those involved in the game should condemn the excessive use of inciteful language or actions that only help to divide us.

A healthy rivalry should not be allowed to continue along this path to a hate-filled one. I for one hope it isn't too late to alter course.

HI Mike[28] and Derek [32] I have been described as a 'snowflake' by some on this site, so I feel I should attempt to live up to my reputation, I don't find the remark aimed at the performance of Everton's midfield either 'Brilliant', or appropriate, for a thread of this seriousness. [No offence intended]

They say we are bitter, they cannot even enjoy their success without resorting to type.

Should never have been entitled to it in the beginning.

Anfield Dons or something.
Bastards.

My brother, who is a red, told me that they (whoever they actually is) believe they were not RS supporters that put the flare there. sort of says it all really.

These acts like firing red flares into the Everton offices, Liver Building and attaching red flares onto Dixie Dean's statue are the acts of cowards.

Only a brain dead moron would see anything funny in it. It is a dangerous trend, will cause hatred and social disharmony. I hope they find them and stick the bastards in the stocks for a few days.

Emlyn Hughes didn't know what he was starting all those years ago.

I know who called you a 'snowflake' in their comments. My first thought when I read that was 'well, it's better to be.a snowflake than a pompous ass'.

Plenty of posters saw how John was treated - I guessing including you. It evidently still upsets him. so since no-one spoke up to support him I am happy to do so. I wouldn't expect you to of course, as that would require a backbone.

I reiterate what I say above. Fine words from Shankly's Grandson, which optimise the relationship I still have individually with family reds and good friends. But only on an individual basis. As collective fan bases we have now drifted so far apart it more resembles the Merseyside-Manchester bitter rivalry than the "fierce but respectful" one we used to have with each other.

Sadly, this was initially driven by the events of history and the subsequent footballing paths our clubs took. Linked to this, it is now fuelled by the media frenzy and band wagon jumping associated with Liverpool FC that goes beyond even what we saw in their hey day of the 70s & 80s.

Jeff, my 48 years may not match your 68, but maybe I too should have calmed down by now. I can't!!

I was there that day. With me mates. Happy for them. Happy for the city. In the full belief our European Cup was just a matter of (little) time.

The first real nail in the coffin. Apart From a brief sparkling during the 'friendly final' (sic) of 1984 and the solidarity following Hillsborough, it's been getting worse ever since.

I had a piece prepared about how the Liverpool Team deserved their title and played good football. How I didn't really mind Klopp, apart from his constant moaning and blame shifting. In the end, I couldn't be bothered. In the end, it was not worth the effort.

"Some fans are just football mad, quite literally. The reds are a clear demonstration of that. A cause of Hillsborough as unpalatable that sounds. They were not the sole cause. Similar thing in Madrid turning up with no tickets.

It's almost like a bizarre type of psychology reminds of Eminem's Stan, about a fan who was manic and killed himself and girlfriend because the star didn't treat him right. It's all about perception. Football is meant to be a hobby not an obsession. You can criminalise people but it doesn't stop people who lost sense of reality.

There is some psychology supporting fans would let the other teams fans suffer harm and not help them. It's just crazy. The red fans personnify that. Bit like the blues fan shadow boxing whilst carrying a young child, probably his son, to help Everton player who got into s scuffle with the European side. He was banned from Goodison for life and I think got a short prison sentence.

Football clubs in the Premier League need to speak out or it's s case of monkey see monkey do. Ie black lives matter and destroying statues." Try again shall we?

Because you have posted a comment on a thread doesn't mean you automatically begin a debate or that readers will respond to it.

However, by highlighting your original post, your final paragraph raises some questions, the destruction of a statue by people who have in their opinion, just cause to do so, is not remotely similar to mindless acts of vandalism, so it really isn't a case of 'Monkey See, Monkey do!'

Are you the poor man's Kelvin Mackenzie craving attention, making racist monkey comparisons? Here is your response: you are ignorant and racist