Ferguson not expecting to get permanent manager's role

I think teary Bill will bring Rooney in regardless of other candidate credentials

Could be that this change of tone due to the possibility that Moshiri has indicated privately that Ferguson is not being considered for permanent manager?

I find it refreshing. Anyway, who knows what the next few weeks may mean for him?

The candidates are an embarrassing list of carnival rejects. Rafa went to the Chinese league with pedigree behind him at least, Cannavaro? Good player in the day but on that basis why not give it to Paul Gascoigne? Bilic is charlatan who robbed us for three years while miraculously being fit for his country, he is also an embarrassing failure as a manager. Lampard had two jobs on easy street and did the minimum any halfwit (e.g. Villas-Boas, Steve MacLaren) would do in those jobs. Rooney has had all of five minutes experience running the one club that make fans think Bury FC wasn't so badly handled. Maybe he is good but it's too soon to know. Bunch of jokers drew up the list and fittingly it's full of clowns and carneys.

A positive though, at least he can't get injured being our manager.

I don't even understand what "frame" they're using for the ideal candidate. None of these people have anything in common. On one hand, Jose Mourinho, hugely experienced in every major league, used to be a serial winner, wants to be paid a king's ransom. On the other hand Cannavaro never even managed in a European or a major league. Then we have Bilic who has a worse track record than Marco Silva -- who we sacked. Then Martinez who WE ALREADY SACKED. Is it just like Bill and Mosh chatting "hey tell me the names of anyone in football you've ever heard of?" "Oh there was a fellow named Slaven I met in East London once, said he spent a few years on Merseyside."

I agree that the only acceptable outcome appears to be Rooney which is a greater leap of faith than appointing Dunc until season end.

I am despairing. Reading all the news feeds etc is demoralising. Desperately hope for a win on Saturday for so many reasons.

Do you think your teary-eyed Bill had any influence over the last 5 appointments? Moshiri will likely fudge this up just like every other on-field decision. He should stick to BMD and let Duncan get on with the job without all the outside noise, which isn't helping anyone.

Just hope he doesn't get thrown under the bus if he's offered it. We know Kenwright will use him as his defensive shield if it goes tits up.

Only partly correct about Bilic. He's certainly a charlatan, a robber and a complete failure as a manager – but he is also a cheat.

As witnessed by a global audience during the 1998 World Cup semi final;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJa1dvEjBfg

It's desperate stuff is it not, why would another manager do better than those who have gone before him. For all that's been said, there has been good experienced managers who have eventually run into a brick wall.

I'm afraid I have very little confidence that another manager change is the answer.

Let's headhunt a top DoF and give them the job of recruiting a new manager or coach and setting the identity of the club and its playing style.

At the moment, nobody has a clue whether it's the tango, the quickstep, the salsa or the ladies excuse me.

There have been reports in some papers that you have spoken to Cannavaro, but the Echo are saying you have had discussions with him but he isn't being considered... like to explain why you even spoke to him?

Duncan Ferguson has said he is not expecting to get the job. Is that because the board have decided that? Or has Duncan said he doesn't want the job?

I guess you are in a hurry to appoint the next manager as you hope that it will reduce any pressure on you or the board. I can only wonder where this club will end up under your leadership, after 5 years of a shambolic leadership by you, we are now a laughing stock.

Many quite rightly criticize Watford for having a revolving door attitude to hiring managers but you have taken it to a whole new level.

I just think it'll be Rooney personally but, as we've seen, Everton and managers is impossible to predict.

The bigger problem for me is that our shortlist is back-of-a-fag-packet stuff – although Cannavaro is totally unexpected.

Cannavaro isn't a "carnival reject"... his teams have dominated the Chinese league and he has managed over 200 games there. Destroyed Benitez's team on a regular basis.

As a player, he was a brilliant natural leader on the pitch. He's passionate, charismatic and has a high international profile.

True, he has never managed in a top league, and I agree with you that he shouldn't be on the list of top candidates, but don't dismiss him as a clown. He's anything but.

Does Ferguson not want it?

Or

Does Ferguson want it but Moshiri not want to consider him?

Either way Ferguson should leave rather than serve as a bib lackey under manager No.7.

He's in a zero pressure goldfish bowl at Derby. Given their situation he can't lose whatever he does. I just hope things don't spiral under him as what experience does he have to fall back on?

PS: I voted for Lucien Favre and I am proud of it lol.

Cannavaro, now that wets the appetite, but I got excited about Koeman.

What a defender. Intelligence, tactically astute, ability to read the game and start attack from defence.

Lacking top flight managerial experience? Of course. But a serial winner and technically gifted practitioner of the beautiful game. If anything, tell him to bring his boots and get him on the pitch.

A lot of continued disrespect for Duncan. He might be what we need. Cannavaro l just don't understand. Don't we need someone to come in and hit the ground running with knowledge of the squad and the prem?

Moshiri seems hell bent on a panic appointment so heaven help the blues, because barring a miracle it will be disastrous second half to the season.

I've no idea who can save us this time, Ferguson is obviously not in the running now that's for sure. The best he can hope for is to become Rooney's stooge.

I've never met him myself but the impression I have of Rooney from articles and interviews is that he is pretty intelligent even if he doesn't have academic credentials on account of being otherwise engaged at Goodison Park when his classmates were doing GCSE's.

Kenwright wants Martinez. Failing that, a Rooney/Ferguson combo.

Moshiri wants anyone who was famous 10 years ago.

I know it's probably not this simple but:

1. Find an experienced DOF. I'd love Dan Ashworth whose done an amazing job at Brighton but Campos, Monchi, Zorc, Planes could be options.

2. Let him do his job! No interference from Moshiri and Kenwright.

3. Get the DoF to decide what type of football we wanna see or what identity this club should be aiming at eg high energy/high pressing team or compact/counter attacking etc.

4. Draw up a shortlist of managers who can implement this style and work with a DoF. Interview them. Hire one.

5. Bring in players who can effectively play this style.

6. If the manager doesn't work out, bring in another manager who can play this way.

Identity. Clarity. Consistency.

It's Duncan for me! Not necessarily long-term but certainly for the next 10 games. Anything else is pot luck.

As I've said before, I'd let Ferguson have a go for at least a month or so. Mood has lifted even before a post-Benitez ball has been kicked. Ferguson knows and understands the club better than just about anyone else.

Rooney would be propelled into the goldfish bowl glare of modern media, one of his tasks will be to conduct pre and after match interviews which are a huge part of a managers tasks and I just don't think Rooney has the eloquence to pull it off, do you?

His ability as a premiership coach is untested so how can he be a candidate? Other than the fact he was a great player for Man Utd, he has zero experience or ability of the pressures of being a manager at the highest level. It would be Moshiri's biggest gamble ever and that's very scary to even contemplate after all his previous gambles have failed so badly.

And if we're ditching the DoF rule, shouldn't we at least understand whether that's the right call before making it? There hasn't been any kind of time for that process to have taken place.

I just don't get this club. The appointment of Benitez made no sense. Then giving him so much decision making power made no sense. Then sacking him immediately after letting him make consequential decisions made no sense.

Then this process makes no sense.

I'm no genius, so if I can see it... why can't they?

We aren't at Finch Farm dictating how the team play. We have expectations, we have aspirations, but if a club was run based on fans' dictation, we'd have 40,000 match day views and millions of others world wide.

How we play football is down to the incumbent manager and players of the day.

Club identity; yes, I'll give you that, we play a massive part in that,

The DoF's job is to ensure that the football side of our operations is aligned to the club's vision.

What do we stand for? What do we believe in? What is the club's vision? They're not for the DoF to determine. How we achieve those things is within the DoF's remit.

Please tell me who you want? Because no-one seems good enough.

Thomas Frank

Old news but still the same news. We are structurally disabled by this man's continuing presence and influence and he should get out of the club. I thought he'd been defeated when Brands went and Barrett-Baxendale looked as though she was on the way out. What a fool I was.

A great shame that the venom directed at some managers has never targeted the boardroom and, specifically, this leech of a man. We delude ourselves to imagine that a DOF or new manager will bring about significant change.

He's our Peter Swales from long ago, Doug Ellis and Ken Bates. But he's still here, taking the piss, and we are weak and tired. Fuck off, you dreadful bastard.

Makes sense to get a DOF before the manager in an ideal works but that isn't going to happen anytime soon.

We need a short term fix - DF - and then review/rebuild in the summer. Can we take a chance on a permanent manager chosen in the next few weeks.

His previous attempt had everything we want. Decent football, passion, commitment and energy.

I think it's a confidence issue.

Makes me wonder what the point was?

And why have successive managers accepted the situation?

Just send like another flag for how dysfunctional this club actually is.

Football is no longer about today and winning cups, it's about romance and the way it used to be. I'm aware Everton used to exist to win, before Bill Kenwright got involved, but I'm certain that no man has ever loved the club more, and his only failure, is that he's probably craved success just a little bit to much.

I honestly think Bill Kenwright is a Liverpudlian, because if any Evertonian, got a chance to run Liverpool, then I'm certain that those bastards would be sitting in our shoes, and feeling the way we do, right now.

Someone needs to say NO to Moshiri. Say that if he's going to appoint a DoF then he needs to understand the individual's role at the club and manage them through governance not interference.

I find it strange that a man who has been so successful appears to have no idea about implementation of strategy. I know he was an accountant but was he ever actually a business leader? Or did he get his money some other way?

If you recall the lethargic first half at home to Leicester in the League Cup Quarter Finals when we went 0-2 down and also the dour draw with Arsenal, it was apparent that the Chelsea game was just a "bounce effect".

It's clear as day now that Ferguson doesn't want the job on a permanent basis, it's obvious he doesn't want a managerial role at any club because at 50 years old he'd have been well out there by now at a Blackpool or a Preston.

If Crease Head Gerrard could manage Rangers why was Big Dunc not putting himself on offer up there?

We need to forget this notion he will manage us, he won't, move on.

His self-serving complacency exactly matches that of those in the boardroom and Monaco. They're all leeching onto the club for the maximum financial screw to themselves personally. The fortunes of the club or its fans, providing it stays in the Premier League of course, don't matter a damn to them. Obviously!

New manager to sort the whole sick farce out in just a few months? Yeah right! Dream on suckers.

And I'm merely one of you.

I do agree, that if he turns down the opportunity to be the full-time manager of Everton Football Club, if it is offered to him, he probably should look at opportunities elsewhere.

To me the biggest mistake that many teams make is to give contracts that are far too long. It is beyond frustrating to think that Benitez walked away from Everton with millions in compensation. The ONLY people who should get compensation are the fans.Every season ticket holder should get at least 1000 pounds, taken out of "THE BENITEZ FRAUD FUND"

Even the likes of Rooney and his competitors should only get a six month contract, which is enough time to prove your worth. I cannot think of ANY job that hires you for Four years but then allows you to leave after three months with four years of payment. NONSENSE.

How about Thomas Frank at Brentford? Plays the right type of football. High intensity, pressing.
That interview after the United game last night was brilliant!

What is his obsession with the Global Retirement Yard of the Chinese Super League ?

Confucius once said, " he who know fuck all about Football, should let others choose, but not Chairman Mao !" :-)

Kia Joorabchian is also an Iranian who arrived in the UK in 1979, as did Moshiri.

He has supported Arsenal Football Club since his childhood and later kept a corporate box at their Emirates Stadium. Due to his association with Arsenal he has forged a close relationship with David Dein and his son Darren.

Moshiri, Joorabchian and Usmanov all followers of Arsenal, are deliberately or inadvertently destroying Everton.

If I was the current chairman of Everton Football Club I wouldn't allow myself to be the acceptable face of whatever this group of people represent.

Yes, he'd be a left-field candidate because he has not managed in a top league, but do not write him off.

I'm nowhere near sure of that, and given that they hired Benitez there's probably a better chance they'll get the worst man for the job.

But 'Mr 92 and not a 'kin clue' loves 'A Name', he might have left this to Bill in the wake of the "I told you so" of the last debacle.
But there's no way one of the gardeners with mud on his boots is walking int' Big House as Head Butler to run His Downton Abbey.

Continuing to recruit managers from the Chinese League and signing lads from Russia/Ukraine. History repeats itself, the first time as tragedy, the second time as farce.

Alternatively, let's see what Dunc & Bainsey can do. Let's get behind them. Let's stay up and if they need help, let's see if Rooney can add the missing ingredient.

I'm with Darren & the traditionalists.

Everton, aren't we?!

The Manager's main qualification will be that he will be the scapegoat rather than the Board if performances are not up to scatch. What we are seeing is not a selection process, but politics. There is no plan, no selection process based on team performance. The main objective is Board self preservation.

I personally think that Lampard will get the job, because he is the more credible and will be easily sunk if necessary. I would not place a bet on Martinez not becoming Director of Football. Surprised there is no mention of Nuno, though his nine assistants would not suit.

But Rooney is the bogeyman. He is Bill's Blood Brother. Cannavaro sound as if he was made for Moshiri. Kia Joorabchian was part of the selection team the last time. Jimmy White and his yellow tie appear out of the loop.

The were using Everton to realize their dreams and fantasies

Whereas Moyes was pragmatic. He saw what he had in hand and what he can get given the meager resources at his disposal and he built his team around it

He didn't need to play tippy tappy nice looking football. He just made sure all the basics are taken care of

And being that he used to be a defender, naturally his emphasis was on his defense. He built one of the best defense in Europe.

And Moyes played direct football cause given what he had that's the most efficient way of getting what he needs with the small resources he had.

And not to mention the player's physical state is paramount to him. Its no wonder under Moyes we keep scoring at the last minute cause that's when the opposition was tired while our boys are still ok. We had the fittest team in the league under Moyes

Martinez came and tore down everything asunder cause he wanted the team to play to his dream and fantasy.

I curse upon the ground Martinez walks on

I think Benitez is not the same Benitez that shone in Newcastle and Liverpool

I believe the now Benitez is having the early effects of sinility

The dude came to Everton and the first thing he did was to have feuds with the players

He had his first feud with Jamie Rod, then with Bernard, then he had feuds with Brands and he told Big Dunc to stop yelling and just sit pretty. Don't forget his feud with the Archie.

And lastly his feud with DIgne which was the start of his end

It was like he wanted to get rid of everyone who looked at him wrongly. Hyper sensitivity is one of the early signs of sinility.

Instead of doing the simple things like concentrate and not conceding simple goals via set pieces, he decided to have quarrels with his players and other staffs.

Farhad should've have made Benitez go for a full psychiatric evaluation first before giving him the big bucks

Now, the Benitez dude has tore down almost all of the existing infrastructure and he is gone leaving behind a large hole to fill

Given the constraints when it comes to transfers, it going to be Bosmans all the way next summer. Unless we sell some of our crown jewels,

Here are a tasty few "freebies" to chew the fat over, who are all available in the summer.

The best of the lot a commanding CB who can play LB. Allesio Romagnoli (age 27) AC Milan's current Captain - 12 caps for Italy. Currently earns approx £5.8m pa. However AC Milan want to cut his salary if he renews his contract. He is willing to take a 42% cut but Milan want to cut it by more. He has asked for £3.5m pa. We pay Kean that !! This fella would be a killer signing and a captain for next 4/5 years. The defensive lynch pin we have been crying out for.

Brazilian CB Luiz Felipe (age 23) at Lazio. Always Plays 90m, never gets injured. 21/22 - 19 appearances. Barca are after him so he must have something about him.

The next one is controversial I know, however if EFC get an offer for Pickford, that they cannot refuse, this guy would be the perfect replacement.
Sam Johnstone (age 28 )WBA. 11 clean sheets so far in the Championship for 21/22. Gareth Southgates 3 rd choice England g/k.

All 3 are available on a free. Wages would be lower than we usually offer but still ore than these guys are on now. Romagnoli is a pipe dream, I know but if you want to know if he's interested, you can always ask him and show him the money.

Sell Keane and Holgate anyway. Paid too much for what they both offer and are capable of.

PS: RB wanted Longstaff, not just because he had worked with him before but also because he's the only DM available on a free next summer. Makes some kind of sense now, given how skint we apparently are these days. Give Paul the Esks atricle a read. it's an eye opener !

"I don't read Duncan's statement as somebody ruling themselves out of the running"

There's a fucking good reason for that Barry. You can read and if you listened to the interview. There is nothing wrong with your hearing either.

Ferguson has been handed the most poisoned of chalice's.
He is tasked ONCE AGAIN with halting an alarming free fall with players he didnt choose, who's confidence has been absolutely fucking shredded by two gutless managers who have very told the entire world they are not good enough.

Once again he is having to do it against superior opposition. But I see him offer no excuses. No "I'm not a magician" whines from him, No blaiming the crowd. No bleating, No Moaning. No griping. Just a step up to the plate.

He knows Villa are favorites. He knows they are a better side and as an Evertonian he fully recognises the full consequences of defeat.
If he only does as well as the two previous "world class" managers did in their last dozen or so games, we lose tomorrow. He knows this too,

Ferguson is under enormous pressure. The club he loves are on the brink. He knows this group of players have had whatever confidence they had battered out of them and would be unlikely to cope if sucked into a relegation battle. He knows defeat tomorrow, is unthinkable.

I see no evidence of fear. I see no backward steps. I simply see and hear a proud Evertonian stick his chest out in the face of adversity and call a million fellow Evertonians to arms.

Ferguson is on record as saying he dreams of managing Everton, but he also knows he has been replaced and overlooked. He also knows that the club are very publicly looking elswhere. for Rafa's replacement... but make no mistake. If he can turn this ship around enough to force the owner into giving him the offer of an extended run. Mr Moshiri will be relieved of a hand

You bring something up I'd never thought of or considered.

Martinez as DOF, not the manager.

Would fans be okay with this? I understand the angst with Martinez as manager, but DOF? I'd think he actually might be well suited to such a role somewhere, at some team?

Or is it still just "hell no" when it comes to Roberto being anywhere near Everton for most folks?

If Dunc doesn't take the reins now, it would bet disappointing.

I like Frank, I like the way his Chelsea team played, I think he didn't get enough time there to fully implement his system with his chosen, younger players.

Why does the idea of a Lampard-Martinez combo excite me? Jesus, the football would be crazy fun to watch.

Of course that combo could easily see us crash and burn. But honestly, as shite as we are presently, I'm just like "fuck it, go for it."

Sure as hell beats Bilic FFS, or any other diva Euro jackwagon out there.

Lampard.. Hmm not sure about that one..
Frankly,.

You do that on purpose?

What a shame that such an idea had not occurred to him until now.

A hearty AMEN on Romagnoli, but I read something about our old friend Carlo wanting him at Real Madrid.

Our only problem was we kept letting in easy goals from set pieces and counter attacks

All Benitez had to do was stem this tide and the results would have been much different than now.

He actually had the formula when we drew with Chelski. We made sure our defense was leek proof and even the goal could've been saved by Jordan.

He should have kept it that way with all the other teams.

But he didn't want to cause the dude is turning senile.

Farhad should've had him undergone a full psychiatric evaluation before giving him the job

I think Benitez needs to see a specialist real soon

I think where he failed as our manager was that once things started going wrong, he didn't have the kind of man management to turn things around. But you couldn't fault his persistence and staying true to his ideals rather than changing plan as soon as something went wrong. That's admirable even if it drove us to despair.

With a football person, a leader of men in the dugout, I'd absolutely go with Martinez as a DoF.

Mind you, as I type I'm watching Alcaraz lose in the Aus Open and it's bringing up some bad memories!

I do think Martinez was in the main adept at selecting players. I wonder how he would have played Niasse had he got the chance. He also adds another scapegoat layer for the Board.

There is no doubt that he would add to middle field and attack. A Manager to compliment him would need to be strong in defence and know some replacement defenders and know how to apply the Martinez attacking system. Lampard would be the ideal and even better if John Terry joined the coaching staff. Belgium suited him since they had a ready made defence who would have told him to F. . . Off. As did Everton , though with less reliable characters.

But I am concerned about Rooney Bill's blood brother from the other side of the track and also the Kia Joorabchian/Cannavaro / Moshiri connection. Though Moshiri appears a busted flush regarding Manager selection, could Usmanov want him to play God again, assist by Kia, like the last time.

I never ever considered Duncan as permanent Manager. He is already part of the Permanent Strategic Plan of self preservation.

Yes he is young and inexperienced as a manager, but so was Howard Kendall when he first became boss. We all know it took a while for things to click under HK, but when it did, they were the glory days we all reminisce about.

He may have baggage, but at least it's out in the open (what we know anyway) He understands the club, he gets our identity, it's in his DNA. I would like to think that the vast majority of the fans would get behind him.

If he wanted to finish the season at Derby, I'd respect him more for that, with Duncan and Co. until then.

Ferguson deserves a run of games. That is clear.

For the last few appointments, all have been in preference to Duncan and all have been a disaster. Under Moshiri we have tried and failed with a ‘proven' premier league achiever in Koeman, a young and upcoming manager in Silva, and a truly world class manager in Ancelotti.

As for Benitez, the less said the better. Evertonians we're treated like mugs with this appointment. A real insult.

None of this has worked. Moshiri is attempting to replicate models and strategies that have worked elsewhere. It's nonsense. The time is for Everton to lead their own way out of this mess. And we do it by sticking to our own and we do it our way.

The club needs to find an identity. It is lost. It currently has no identity at all.

Cahill in as sporting director and Duncan as manager. Then find a structure to support Duncan.

There is too much focus on his shortcomings for my liking. Why not focus on what he is good at

He will do the simple things well I'm sure of it. And football is a simple game. He recognises what the fans want. Ultimately which is to win. But he knows that fundamentally, we want to see passion, commitment and unity from our players. He will demand this.

He will recognise that we need to win most games at Goodison. He will recognise that we need to trust and develop young players. He will recognise that inflated egos are not welcome in our squad and won't spend millions of bringing people like that into our football club.

Let's look at that. Martinez left 'tail between legs', went to manage the world's No 1 national team, with moderate success. Zero club management experience since he left.

Silva left 'tail between legs'; after some time out of work, went to manage Fulham. Fulham currently top of the Championship, by 5 points; have scored 70 goals; Goal Difference of 47, ie, 140% better than the team in 2nd, Bournemouth.

Now, I am not advocating the return of Marco Silva; I am just pointing out that such an idea would seem to have solid recent evidence to support it, whereas the return of Martinez... would not.

Young, a winner, and his spat with Tombstone Teeth across the way shows he fears no-one. And he was a great player.

Just get rid of Kenwright first.

I think there's a route here for Ferguson, if only he can take it.