Next Man In

A quick rundown of some of the many, many managerial options out there.

Sam Hoare 24/01/2023 204comments  |  Jump to last

A quick rundown of some of the many, many managerial options out there.

I was never a huge fan of Frank. A great footballer, a lovely man seemingly but a mediocre manager. He ‘got’ the fans and that is probably what kept us up last season but his setup, tactics, selection and in-game changes have been very lacking on many occasion in my opinion and I only hope that the board has not acted too late.

Whoever comes in will have an extremely tough job keeping us up sadly and it may well be that the board should consider someone who can excel in the championship next season, unless we are looking for a 6 month contract which may be the way to go. What a mess! But enough has been said on that subject, so, the options:

Familiar Ones 

David Moyes
Roberto Martinez
Sam Allardyce

I’m a great believer in never going back. It seldom works so well the second time round. But all three will likely have fans within the club and fanbase. I was always a Moyes fan and certainly his organized style of football would seem to fit the current needs more than Martinez, who would possibly be loathe to take on a club along with his new Portugal comittments.

Strangely I think Allardyce would fit this situation much better than when he last came in, where his big spending on the likes of Walcott and Tosun were part of the downturn. On a 6 month contract ‘Big Sam’ is probably one of the safest bets for survival. But not my pick.

Toffee Ones

Duncan Ferguson
Wayne Rooney
David Unsworth

Many on here will tell you that someone who gets the club and has a connection with the fans is the only way to go. Lampard proved last season that it can be effective in the short term. But personally I see it as the sort of sentimental and old fashioned approach that has held us back somewhat whilst other clubs have been modernizing their thinking. Rooney is probably the best bet of these 3 but I think to take anyone who has not managed for significant periods at the top level would be foolhardy. Not for me.

Unlikely Ones

Thomas Tuchel
Mauricio Pochettino
Thomas Frank

Worth a phone call but none of them would come, surely? They all have better options. Shame.

Left-field Ones 

Marcelo Bielsa
Carlos Corberan
Marcelo Gallardo

Bielsa would be fun and possibly kill or cure. I suspect more likely ‘kill’ but his projects tend to either blow up very quickly or go well. Not sure our players would suit his approach. Corberan is pretty raw but very well thought of and doing a superb job at West Brom currently taking them from second bottom last season to 3 ponts off 3rd at time of writing.

Gallardo did superb work at River Plate over last 6 years and could be a good opportunity to tap into South American market that Brighton have used so well. Would love to see Gallardo at Everton but it would be a huge risk and as such is unlikely.

Sensible Ones 

Sean Dyche
Nuno Santo Espirito
Marcelino

We have limited players currently. Our best shot at survival is someone who can organize us well, get us working hard and scrapping for points. All these 3 could do that. Dyche knows some of our player and Santo has worked with Thelwell before to good effect. Both have also achieved promotion from the Championship before. It would not be pretty but I’d be surprised if both are not high up in the running. Marcelino would possibly be my top pick. An experienced manager who favours a solid 442 and has done great work at a number of clubs in Spain. He also has superb hair.

Left-over Ones

Ralph Hassenhutl
Lucien Favre
Andre Villas Boas
Domenico Tadesco
Gerardo Seoane
Jose Bordalas
Zinedine Zidane
Steven Schumacher
Ange Postecoglu

There are literally hundreds of options out there! Many unemployed. From this list I think that Tadesco, Bordelas and Postecoglu are all quite interesting options. Tadesco is certainly a character who may prove the next Mourinho but also may be more style than substance. Postecoglu looks a reliable figure though of course success up north does not often translate to success down here.

Lots of these manager represents very different styles and philosophies so it will be interesting to see if the shortlist has a unanimity in that regard or if our approach is scattergun as usual.

I’d be looking for someone to organize us tighter and have us playing solid, hard working, counter attacking football (at least initially).

My top 3 would be Marcelino, Gallardo and Dyche.

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Barry Lightfoot
1 Posted 24/01/2023 at 15:58:19
Will everyone please take Rooney and Ferguson off their lists as it's just lunacy there is absolutely no way Rooney (14% win rate currently) and Ferguson will get us out of this mess.
Dennis Stevens
2 Posted 24/01/2023 at 16:07:42
Surely, anybody currently in a job is not in consideration. We probably can't afford to buy out their contract!
Andrew Clare
3 Posted 24/01/2023 at 16:10:40
Don't even consider English managers. Spanish, Italians and South Americans only please. Preferably aged below fifty and with a good track record. Build for the future as only a miracle can keep us up now
Ed Prytherch
4 Posted 24/01/2023 at 16:15:23
Rooney's record with Derby is far more relevant than with DC Utd. He almost pulled off a miracle with Derby and showed great loyalty to the players and the fans. MLS is league one standard with a sprinkling of hasbeens and young rising talents.
Steve Brown
5 Posted 24/01/2023 at 16:16:31
Good article Sam.

Various reports coming out the Bielsa has turned us down.

A Dwyer
6 Posted 24/01/2023 at 16:21:40
Rooney is more of the same, he surely can not be under serious consideration.
First choice has to be Poch or Tucel, both out of work, but probably both out of our reach.
After they finish laughing it has to be Sean Dyche.
Kim Vivian
7 Posted 24/01/2023 at 16:30:23
Sorry - wrong thread
Ed Prytherch
8 Posted 24/01/2023 at 16:31:36
We will be selling players to pay off the fired coaching staff
Dale Self
9 Posted 24/01/2023 at 16:34:13
Thanks Kim and Marc. That is indeed stark but positive. We have to move sellable assets. if a decent price appears and we don't get to choose who is in demand
Jon Harding
10 Posted 24/01/2023 at 16:41:14
Thanks for the long list, Sam. I'll go for Zidane please!

Back in the real world, I can't get excited about Dyche. Big Sam II? I remember reading the regular scorn poured upon his massive head on this very site for his awful style of play.

So Nuno The Holy Ghost it is then.

Frank Crewe
11 Posted 24/01/2023 at 16:51:45
Does it really make that much difference anyway? The number of consistently successful managers can be counted on the fingers of one hand. The likes of Pep, Klopp. Ancelotti etc. 99% of supposed managers don't win anything in their entire careers. They just move from club to club. Do a decent job without actually winning anything at one club then get sacked at the next one. It has become almost impossible to get a manager with a positive win percentage and hasn't been sacked at least once. The PL just eats managers up and spits them out.
Stu Darlington
12 Posted 24/01/2023 at 17:25:29
I know who I definitely don’t want,anyone connected with Everton past or present.!
It’s got to be an experienced manager who is football savvy.
By this I mean someone who picks the right players in their best positions,plays the best formation to suit our skills,can read a game and make changes on the hoof using substitutions or tactical changes.
He must also be able to get the best out of what he has got.
By this I mean he must have the man management skills to deal with a group of players whose confidence is at rock bottom and be able to re build that bit by bit on an individual basis.
A fairly obvious skills set for any professional football manager I would have thought.
If he gets it right on and off the pitch then there are still enough games left for our fate to be in our own hands. The problem is time is running out and there is no margin for error.
So whoever we appoint is going to be up against it.
Whichever way you slice it the odds are not in our favour.
Is there anyone out there who fits the bill?Answers on a postcard please!
Phil Wood
13 Posted 24/01/2023 at 17:33:40
Can I add Superman to the Managers list BUT only if he brings his boots!
Dennis Stevens
14 Posted 24/01/2023 at 18:11:03
Incoming transfers falling through, promising young players being sold off [cut price, no doubt] - what a great situation for any incoming manager. Lampard must feel like the luckiest man in the country!
Ajay Gopal
15 Posted 24/01/2023 at 18:21:06
Sam, thank you for this article. Hassenhuttl is on your “Left Overs” list, but he seems to be under consideration by Everton. What do you think of him?

SkySports saying that Bielsa and his coaching staff would cost about 1 million per month. That is rather steep, isn’t it?

The more I think about it, the more I edge closer to accepting Sean Dyche as a short term solution.

Gallardo could be an interesting consideration but does he speak English?

Sam Hoare
16 Posted 24/01/2023 at 18:38:50
Ajay, I don’t mind Hassenhuttl actually. Think he’d be a decent option. He did very well in Germany and had a Southampton team that constantly sold its best players doing ok for a while.

We are a poisoned chalice of huge proportions currently but I think he would do as well as some of the ‘likely’ candidates being mentioned.

His teams usually work hard and press well which would be popular.

Not sure if Gallardo speaks English but he’s a good manager. Dyche certainly makes sense in a practical fashion.

Will Mabon
17 Posted 24/01/2023 at 18:46:41
Hasenhuttl, who recently got sacked for losing control of the Saints team, managing their fall down the league. A team with Ward-Prowse and some forwards.

Yeah, he'd save us.

Barry Hesketh
18 Posted 24/01/2023 at 18:46:55
Any manager that Everton approach will likely ask if they can wait a couple of weeks until they sign, let some caretaker dude oversee the next two games against Arsenal and Liverpool, and then they'll take charge for the home match with Leeds.
Ray Robinson
19 Posted 24/01/2023 at 18:49:00
Sam, re Hasenhüttl, do you think it would go down well appointing a man whose side has twice lost 9-0 in the Premier League?
Lee Courtliff
20 Posted 24/01/2023 at 18:49:08
If you thought Moyes was bad for "playing down expectations" then wait until Dyche gets going!

IF he takes over and IF he keeps us up, then we'll never here the end of his desperate we were when he took over and how we should be grateful for existing in the Premier League watching his 4-4-2 Hoofball every week.

I'm from Burnley and I've watched him closely over his decade at my hometown club. He never showed any ability at all to do anything other than play percentage football with 2 statues up front!

He's won 14 of his last 68 league games!! My best mate is a massive Burnley fan who loved Dyche but even he accepts he stayed too long and they were almost all sick to the back teeth of his predictability.

Vincent Kompany has revolutionised Burnley in just a few months and not one their fans would want Dyche back now.

Gary Johnson
21 Posted 24/01/2023 at 18:54:01
Lee/Everyone - we are not in a place to be picky. Why aren’t we waking up to this?
Tony Everan
22 Posted 24/01/2023 at 18:54:52
Sam, I don’t like the back to the future options either, the club has to move on, not retreat back to the womb.

Marcelino is a good call, the fact he turned Bilbao around in a relatively short time has got to make him of interest in our situation. He done well with them in the cups and many of our matches between now and the end of the season are going to be like full on cup ties. It points to him being a very good motivator.

Nuno Espirito has a gravitas and will embrace the job. They’re is a lot to be said about the manager and DoF working in harmony together and him and Thelwell are a team.

Dyche would be fired up to prove himself and would get us playing the hard direct football that Big Sam used to get us to the lofty position of eighth. It’s probably the most likeliest route for us to get to 17th+.

Any of those three would give us a fighting chance.

Jeff Spiers
23 Posted 24/01/2023 at 18:56:13
How much will FL and his entourage be getting paid?, Never understood why in the normal workplace you get nothing for being sacked.
Raymond Fox
24 Posted 24/01/2023 at 19:03:05
Its all about now forget someone for the long term, going down with the new stadium being built would be a financial disaster.

We have tried the ball on the ground passing style of football with our lot and failed miserably.

So it would appear to me at least, that our best chance is a more direct approach, call Mr Dyche.

Whoever they choose is going to have to get lucky, but theres 6 other teams that are within 3pts of us.

My concern is what state of mind our players are in, all this hoo ha cant be helping.

Barry Hesketh
25 Posted 24/01/2023 at 19:03:14
Ray @19
You do realise that you've given the Everton hierarchy a reason to hire a manager that might inflict another humiliation on the supporters. I'm certain the board and owner are playing some variation of Black Death Biingo.

An appealing bingo game using words and phrases associated with the symptoms and various theories about the Black Death. Use as a starter or plenary. Get the class to choose their words from the list then read them out at random - remember to die loudly for maximum effect. A fantastic way to get the class engaged in the learning.

We've had the manufactured headlock scandal, the players being chased by some dolts, the signing of a player, that ends up with Spurs, the 'it's not up to me' message followed by "i've sacked him" and the club didn't know it. The players found out via Talksport that Lampard wouldn't be here this week.

I think the current score is DBB 1 Mosh 3 Bill 2 and Sharp 0
Sharp has a chance of opening his account by predicting Everton's heaviest defeat ever, and they all laughed when DBB wrote down her Champions League by 2025 prediction.

Christine Foster
26 Posted 24/01/2023 at 19:13:15
Somewhere at the back of my mind a kernel of a thought is forming and I don't like it one little bit. The next manager we appoint will tell us everything about the board and owner of this club and our immediate future.
We are all assuming we are fighting for survival, the next manager must be another Big Sam or Sean the sheep.. but what if it isn"t? What if we get a little known or untried manager or an old boy once more to deflect the critics?
In the middle of this we appear to be selling our most sellable assets, the few good players we have with nothing coming the other way.
That draws one single and riverting conclusion, the owner and board have already resigned themselves to relegation, they are not even going to try to fight.
Bullshit? I hope so, but the signs are jot good, we are selling when we cannot buy, when no-one wants to come. Why?why?

Tony Everan
27 Posted 24/01/2023 at 19:16:39
Christine, if your right about deflecting criticism in the most brazen way possible, we can expect the Rooney and Duncan show before the weekend.
Michael Lynch
28 Posted 24/01/2023 at 19:17:16
Christine - that's exactly what I was saying. We're selling off our assets, and there's no point in replacing them now because we'll need a totally different set of players for the Championship.

And we're bringing back loanees. Clearly the new manager will be told to play the kids if he's short of first teamers.

Barry Hesketh
29 Posted 24/01/2023 at 19:24:03
Sean the Sleep, a good moniker for Mr Dyche. To be honest it doesn't really matter who comes in, we'll need a real miracle if we don't add some quality to the squad by the 31st. Big Sam reckons he would have been approached by now if he was under consideration for the job - he also states he has been the best manager of Everton in recent times.
Jay Harris
30 Posted 24/01/2023 at 19:37:23
I would take Nuno the spirit any time before Dyche that so many people seem to be pushing for. (Alehouse football and pub team manager).

I would hope that Pochettino is courted heavily and wouldnt mind Corberan who for me would have a similar impact to Moyes when he first came to us. He also has experience in the championship if the inevitable happens.

Svein-Roger Jensen
31 Posted 24/01/2023 at 19:54:14
Agree Yay, my vote also goes to Nuno Santo's and his trademark adaptable 3-4-3, with the three ball-playing centre-backs that also would help to provide the wide players with opportunities via long, diagonal through balls.

With all three defenders being capable of providing pin-point 50-yarders, expect to see more goals with a blistering fast new midfielder, if we can get one. Up the toffees!

Sam Hoare
32 Posted 24/01/2023 at 19:55:17
Ray@19, I’m sure people will find reason to bemoan whoever is appointed. Too young, too old, too foreign, too British etc. Any manager we can get will have failures attached to their history somewhere.
Karen Mason
33 Posted 24/01/2023 at 20:09:06
I've just seen, from someone who works at Liverpool Airport, that Allardyce has flown in today.

FFS!!! If we appoint him, I'm done. Never to return as a season ticket holder. What did we ever do to deserve him at our Club again???

If Moshiri employs him again after the clear message sent by fans last time, he is everything negative that people have said about him & worse.

Ian Edwards
34 Posted 24/01/2023 at 20:10:41
Karen,

The important requirement is a Firefighter to prevent relegation. Needs must.

Paul Carr
35 Posted 24/01/2023 at 20:20:17
My friend in Bilbao doesn't rate Marcelino.
Dyche performed miracles at Burnley for many years.
And we do need a miracle.
Ray Jacques
36 Posted 24/01/2023 at 20:31:37
Why not Bielsa if he will come. We need probably seven wins to stay up. We may get a few hidings with him in charge, but I see more chance of wins with him rather than a Dyche type where every game will be tight or draws. Draws won't keep us up.
Ian Pilkington
37 Posted 24/01/2023 at 20:37:56
Sam,

Thank you for giving us an informative list of contenders.

The breaking news that Moshiri is officially putting the club up for sale will surely result in a short-term appointment.

Derek Knox
38 Posted 24/01/2023 at 21:00:57
Good article Sam, which I resume was written before the announcement that Moshiri is putting the Club up for Sale. This surely further complicates the issue.

Who is going to come with the uncertainty of Ownership, analogous with players who have either come because Lampard was Manager (no more) and potential signings not knowing who they will be playing under?

What an absolute Black Comedy unfolding before our eyes, but not a funny one from an Evertonian's point of view. What a shambles.

Brent Stephens
39 Posted 24/01/2023 at 21:09:00
Sam, thanks for this piece. It's great to have somebody with wider knowledge of what's out there in terms of possible managers. Glad I don't have to make the decision.
Darren Hind
40 Posted 24/01/2023 at 21:43:55
There is a very clear difference between "Getting the club" and knowing the club inside out - one gives a very definite advantage and the other is a lazy condescending oft used Cliche which has no meaning whatsoever.

"Sentimental and old fashioned approach which has held us back " ? Yeah of course it has. They've probably managed about half a dozen EPL games between them in a decade. They're definitely the problem

Those who have been paying attention, will know that we have gone through a steady stream of managers who have all proved more than capable of, not just holding us back, but sinking us into this mire... I know guys. Lets go down that road again.

I wonder how many times the "sensible choices" have to be sacked or relegated before they become unsensible

Chris Leyland
41 Posted 24/01/2023 at 21:56:09
I don't get how knowing the club inside and out is an advantage at present.

The club is a mess inside and out and getting one of the ‘old boys' back who happily bimbled along taking Bill's shilling for years without ever challenging the status quo and without ever doing anything of note isn't the answer. The reality is that they will simply perpetuate the status quo of under-achieving Everton just as they did as players.

Ultimately we need someone who is going to challenge the status quo and move the culture of the club from the loser mentality that have enveloped the entire operation. But more immediately we need someone who has experienced a relegation battle and who has the wherewithal to get us out of one.

We need to hold our nerve and hold our noses to get a short-term fix that retains our Premier League status to allow the club to be sold and the new stadium to be built.

Kiern Moran
42 Posted 24/01/2023 at 22:00:21
Lets do a Moyes again, go for a young man with lower league experience. Leam Richardson won the first division with Wigan and appears to be available, why not? or Gareth Ainsworth from my patch of the world High Wycombe.
Darren Hind
43 Posted 24/01/2023 at 22:11:10
Yeah Chris

Going in with eyes wide open, Knowing exactly whats wrong with the club isn't any advantage at all.

What we need to do is to keep bringing in people who will be shell shocked by what they find and then say how impressed they are with the set up Then shut up take the money.

That approach has really worked a treat for us.

We need to be all modern...Like.

Arsenal tried the modern approach several times and after years of failure they went for somebody who already knew the clubs inside out Silly bastards are running away with the league now

Simon Crosbie
44 Posted 24/01/2023 at 22:14:19
Postecoglou, by a country mile. He should have been offered the job a year ago. If we go down – a real possibility – he would be the ideal manager to get us back up. The only downside is that his career is on an upward trajectory.

Whatever the outcome, the club has done the next manager a huge disservice by appointing him far too late in the transfer window.

It is obvious that the dangerous level of incompetence at the is club is making it difficult to attract anyone of quality.

Paul Hewitt
45 Posted 24/01/2023 at 22:17:32
The WBA manager. Got Huddersfield into the play off finals a few seasons ago. And now taken a team in the relegation zone to the play offs. Also worked with Bielsa when he first went to Leeds.
Simon Harrison
46 Posted 24/01/2023 at 22:18:25
Interesting read, Sam, thanks for posting it up.

I'm seriously fed up with positing my thoughts on this. From my happy-clapping of Ancelotti (with reservations), to the bewilderment of the idiocy of appointing an ex-rs man (and his wider remit), to the legendary short-list of three, and the volte-face of Moshiri, who crumbled under external pressures..?

Then appointing a man, with a very short CV comprising of ineptitude, and 2/2 strike out rate! I reserved judgement on Frank till the 3-2 Burnley game, then I realised, or sensed, or reasoned, he just didn't have it.

I remember we once had a brief, knowledge share, exchange re Seb Hoeness; but now to be honest, I really don't care whom is appointed, with the caveat that they keep us in the EPL by season's end. Even if it is on a one goal difference, over points.

Thanks again Sam, and good health.

Paul Tran
47 Posted 24/01/2023 at 22:25:01
Knowing the club is one thing. Changing it is clearly a different story.

Arteta's changed Arsenal – weeded out the bad apples, bought well, changed the mindset and attitude around the place. And the owners, different to the ones when he was a player, showed patience.

I don't care where the next man comes from, as long as he changes things, brings some competence and is allowed to do his job by those in charge.

Sam Hoare
48 Posted 24/01/2023 at 22:27:55
Thanks Simon @46. I know how you feel. It's hard to get excited about any possible manager and whoever gets it will have worked a minor miracle if they keep us up.

By many accounts the board is split once more with Moshiri courting Bielsa, Kenwright keen on Dyche or Moyes and Thelwell preferring the likes of Corberan. Could be all ITK nonsense but sounds horribly plausible!

Sam Hoare
49 Posted 24/01/2023 at 22:32:15
Another unemployed option I think is interesting is Adi Hutter. He did great work at Salzburg, Young Boys and especially Eintracht. Though flopped somewhat at BMG. Was the next hot thing a couple of years back.
Darren Hind
50 Posted 24/01/2023 at 22:37:35
Its a whole lot easier to get rid of the bad apples if you know who they are and where to find them
Paul Tran
51 Posted 24/01/2023 at 22:58:41
Darren, he wasn't hanging about the Emirates for a few years spotting the wrong-uns. He left a job working under one of the best in the world at a very well-run club. He took his time, gave players a chance, weeded out the troublemakers and imposed himself on the squad.

He isn't successful because he's an 'old boy', he's successful because he oozes competence.

Simon Harrison
52 Posted 24/01/2023 at 23:02:28
You're welcome Sam,
I'm not advocating Seb, just someone who I think would be excellent once we had stability in his coaching role, with a more 'continental' DoF and team.

Regards left-field choices, a poster (sorry their name escapes me?) Has been touting the current Freiburg coach, Christian Streich.

I see the Beeb put up an article last week, featuring him. You've probably read it, but I'll put the link here for all;

C. Streich

PS I don't know too much about Adi Hutter, but I'll look him up later.

Darren Hind
54 Posted 24/01/2023 at 23:06:56
Paul do you think he didnt have contacts at the club he spent so long at ? He seemed to be there an awful lot even when he was at City.... You may be right.

I know people think we missed a trick by not getting him, but he has said he always had his eye on that job. Besides Carlo was available.

unfortunately Arteta was never to be for us

Stu Darlington
55 Posted 24/01/2023 at 23:38:40
I get the feeling the tide is turning in favour of Dyche at the moment
Bielsa seems to be reluctant to get involved @ the moment and Nuno is employed elsewhere,which would involve a severance payment which we can’t afford.
Dyche is a free agent and no severance fee would be involved.
The others on Sam’s list don’t really appear to be in the frame,maybe that’s part of the plan,I don’t know.But at the moment it’s looking more and more like Dyche to me.
Derek Knox
56 Posted 24/01/2023 at 23:48:04
Stu, unlike many on here, I would have no problems with Dyche, under the shit circumstances we find ourselves in, through no fault of the fans either. Carlo bigged Dyche up not so long ago, where he had nothing to gain by doing so. He was a World Class Manager but did the dirty I felt by resigning midstream.

There has been enough mistakes and mis-spends on both players and managers we need a hard nose Pro to get us back in the ring.

SSN, saying Hassenhuttl favourite behind Bielsa, don't they ever learn ?

Ed Prytherch
57 Posted 24/01/2023 at 23:50:08
Any manager coming in must either want the job badly or be desperate. I wonder how many of the names that are being bandied around fall into those categories. Stubbs and Jags both think that Wayne would take it.

The sad part is that this was not thought through by the owner and the board before they fired Lampard. The guy writing for the BBC reckons that part of the Gordon money will be used for changing managers.

It reminds me of the Invasion of Afghanistan. It seemed like a good idea at the time but the end game received little thought.

Stuart Sharp
58 Posted 24/01/2023 at 00:05:28
Bringing in one of the toffees, or one from left field, would be too much for what little faith I have left. As I've said on a different threa
Stuart Sharp
59 Posted 25/01/2023 at 00:06:28
d, Dyche would give me some tangible hope of staying up.
Stuart Sharp
60 Posted 25/01/2023 at 00:07:48
Wow, that's weird. I think my keyboard decided to comment on a Tottenham thread instead.
Phil Wood
61 Posted 25/01/2023 at 00:21:10
To all the bullshit merchants on here.
Nobody knows if Sean Dyche could or couldn't bring flair to football if he were to be given the assets to buy that type of player.
Calling him a dinosaur is totally ignorant. He has never had the luxury spending that our list of previous underperformers have had.
He is proven with limited resources. That is what we have. We need to survive in the Premiership.
I hope he is given the chance to manage us before some of the wilder speculations being put forward.
From here in everything we do is a risk. I just think he is a safer bet than most of the names being put forward.
If he wants the job.

Dave Lynch
62 Posted 25/01/2023 at 00:32:50
Phil@61.
You have to understand that some posters know exactly what is wrong with the club, know exactly how we should be playing and what formation we should be playing in.
They also know who we should have as manager and what he should do to turn us around.
I'm all for debate and opinion...but when you have people saying "he did this wrong and should of brought so and so on as that would of sorted this and that out and state it as if they know better than a premier league manager, then they are talking shite.
Dupont Koo
63 Posted 25/01/2023 at 01:08:45
Nicely written, Sam.

IMHO, it's time to throw a "Hail Mary" (in American Football terms): Naming Leighton as Interim Manager till the end of the season.

For what we know of Leighton's down-to-earth personality, he might not even accept the post should he be offerred the role. But should he choose to accept, he will bring the following benefits:

1) Other than Seamus, he is the last link to the Moyes regime that brought us the stability, structure, discipline and relatively consistent success. He knows what it takes to forge a closely knitted team spirit and how to demand the best out of players in a quiet, measured yet assertive way.

2) He is technically astute, which has been highlighted a number of times by Don Carlo & his coaching team.

3) Nobody at the club played for more managers (8 in total!) than he did (Moyes, Bobby Brown Shoes, Koeman, Rhino, Fat Sam, Marco Silva, Big Dunc & Don Carlo), which would give him a unique Alchemist perspective on how to mold the team into a Frankenstein. Nobody knows better than him, in terms of the individual SWOT for the majority of the squad.

4) Some of my fellow Evertonians mentioned the need to bring in a tough disciplinarian who can bring constant earful to the players. Like Leonardo DiCaprio said in the movie Inception: "Positive emotions trump negative emotions every time. We all yearn for reconciliations. Catharsis." We rarely see Leighton losing his cool and erupting like a Volcano (even during his voice-out that turned Bobby Brown Shoes against him wrongfully) and his cool composure is needed for a team of misfits to gain back the confidence.

5) Some of the youngsters who are on the fringes of First Team have already played for him, which would make their eventual transition into the First Team even easier. He might be even daring enough to play some of those youngsters, now that we can't even secure a loan signing (Danjuma).

Going with Leighton, what else do we have to lose?

Alun Jones
64 Posted 25/01/2023 at 01:13:08
I’d like us to approach Oliver Glasner of Eintracht Frankfurt, has had a pretty decent career so far in Austria and Germany, Europa League Winner and sitting pretty 3rd in the Bundesliga, why are we only linked with unemployed managers?
Chris Cole
65 Posted 25/01/2023 at 01:18:16
There are SEVEN teams within THREE points of each other with 18 games left...

Don't panic, and get in the best man for the long-term, and give him what he wants.

Stop this endless panicky firefighting, otherwise we'll be in the exact same spot in another 12 months.

A few weeks ago Wolves were bottom, they didn't go and get Allardyce or Dyche, they recruited Lopetegui - someone they want for the long-term. Five games ago they were bottom, now they're out of the drop zone.

There is almost half a season left; a miracle isn't required; any self-respecting manager ought to fancy his chances of being one of the four who stay up, when there's only THREE points covering SEVEN teams.

Ed Prytherch
66 Posted 25/01/2023 at 03:21:36
Chris, our unique problem is the massive P&S millstone hanging from our neck Those other teams can bring in players during the window and we obviously can not unless we sell first and there ain't much time left.
Tony Everan
67 Posted 25/01/2023 at 07:36:36
I think it’s also important not to hard sell to a manager who doesn’t really want to come here, but gets tempted by the promise of bonuses and inflated short term wages. Koeman never wanted to come to Everton and never threw himself into the job. We were an inconvenience which paid well. This detachment didn’t take long to become a drain on the the players.

I’m far from convinced that Sean Dyche is the answer, but it counts for something that he is chomping at the bit to get the job. I don’t believe that this is purely down to financial gain. I think he wants it to get stuck in and do a good job for us to the best of his ability.

The last ‘meat and two veg’ manager hauled us up from near the relegation zone to eighth . The football won’t be pretty but we would (in theory) become better organised and hard to play against , pick up the scrappy , hard fought wins necessary to reach safety .

Paul Tran
68 Posted 25/01/2023 at 07:41:28
Darren, of course you're right that Arteta would have some existing connections at Arsenal.

The two players he rooted out were scoring and creating under other managers. It was only when he imposed higher standards that they started swinging the lead.

I would have loved us to have got Arteta. Intelligent bloke with a bit of snide, learned top standards under Pep, worked at a well-run club with high standards throughout. And an ex-Everton player to boot.

Arteta knows Everton. He knows Kenwright. He's way too intelligent to join a club run by these clowns. And Moshiri was too star-struck to look beyond Carlo.

I'd love to see us winning things managed by someone who loves this club as much as we do. But first and foremost, I'd like some evidence that they have the qualities I mentioned earlier, they've gone somewhere else to learn their trade. Catterick, Kendall & Royle all did that.

Andrew Ellams
69 Posted 25/01/2023 at 07:54:41
Alun, why would somebody sitting in a Champions League position in Germany come to Everton.

I think a reality really is needed right now. The reason we are being linked to Allardyce and Dyche is because they're the ones who reallistically might want the job.

Then again, who wants to be the first manager since 1951 to take this club down?

Stu Darlington
70 Posted 25/01/2023 at 08:54:59
Chris @ 65,

Thanks for that, Chris. A dose of reality and common sense is very refreshing in these days of what seems to be mounting hysteria. You're absolutely right but, looking at the fixture list, it's going to be a tough task and the odds look to be against us but it can be done.

Andrew @69,

I don't get the impression Dyche will worry about being the first manager since 1951 to take us down. He seems to be no shrinking violet and will certainly be more focused on the job in hand rather than his public image.

As an aside,are you the Andrew Ellams, late of Halton College, back in the day?

Sam Hoare
71 Posted 25/01/2023 at 09:25:12
Dupont@63 I love Baines and hope he turns out to be a great manager but i'm not sure this is the time for that.

In a way he's similar to Lampard, great footballer, experienced pro, likeable bloke and seemingly blessed with a football intelligence (at least on the pitch). But these things do not always equate to being an effective manager as we have seen and Baines has even less experience than Lampard when he arrived. I think we need to look beyond personality, club affinity and footballing profile to managers who have actually shown they can organise and improve teams at the top level. The likes of Baines, Ferguson and Unsworth may prove to be effective managers at first team in time but they have not done so yet and I'm not sure now is the time to take a risk on one of them.

Jim Wilson
72 Posted 25/01/2023 at 09:30:38
I don't think we have any choice now.

It has to be a dour experienced manager.

The club is in crisis, the players are shot, god knows how they all feel, and most supporters have turned on one of our best prospects that we are going to sell before bringing anyone else in.

The club is in a complete meltdown and not in a position to accommodate any manager who thinks he can come in and confuse the players further with mad formations.

And the thought of having a manager who can't speak English just adds to the craziness.

We need the tried and trusted 451 formation with a midfield organised to give us a chance of something in every game.

We still need to bring in a forward and a midfield general to help Gueye.

Dyche (with help from Baines & Ferguson), Allardyce, O'Neill, Pullis. Is there someone I've missed?

This is where we are now. I want to stay up, every other thought, including protests should be left until the summer.

Organisation, motivation, confidence and sanity is what we need.

Get behind our boring manager, the team and every single player. It is the only way now.

Darren Hind
73 Posted 25/01/2023 at 09:36:07
"He's way too intelligent to join a club run by these clowns"

That gave me a laugh Paul, but there is a serious side to this.

I can think of at least five intelligent men, who were prepared to put that little detail to one side and take Moshiri's money.
Carlo had only ever been at clubs where he was expected to win stuff and here he was being offered the biggest salary of his life to work for this awfuly nice chap who doesnt expect anything special in return.
Can you imagine Carlo talking to his Mrs after agreeing to come - "You're not going to believe this girl. They're going to pay me 12m a year and are hoping I can get them top six. Better still they wont even mind if I don't manage it".

Football, past present and no doubt future has been littered with players returning to their former clubs and winning trophies. Of course being an ex player doesnt mean a manager will be successful - There are many many examples of them falling flat on their face.

I find it deeply insulting when people suggest ANYBODY would advocate a man simply because he played for the club "or get's it". Do they really think so little thought has been given to the idea ????
This suggestion is usually compounded when they put a load of managers they have only read about on footy websites...Many of them proven failures.

These people (and they are many) will claim that advocating a man simply because they have worked at the club is daft. That would be a reasonable and factual comment - if that was ever the case - but to then go on and discount these ex players for the very same reason shows a closed mind. One which fails to understand the point they are dismissing.

You rightly point out that Arteta received a great education, but he was only taught how to do things at the top. I would argue that anybody who has worked on the coaching side of things at our club had a much wider education. They've worked under two champions league winners. The have worked for two international managers, More to the point they have seen the shambolic boardroom antics at first hand an will be far better equipped to circumvent it.

All those people who dismiss Evertonians as candidates are dismissing the only thing which has ever brought this club success..And by advocating we bring in yet another highly paid outsider, they are advocating the very thing which has only ever brought failure...Brought us here

We've got a few short months to dig ourselves out of this deep deep shit. The task will be made all the more harder if we bring in somebody who doesnt yet know he cant trust his bosses. Somebody who doesnt know the staff he will need to rely on and more importantly, somebody doesn't know which players he can and cant trust.

I hope to God we at least give ourselves a fighting chance


Christine Foster
74 Posted 25/01/2023 at 09:51:31
Darren, The most successful manager we have had in the last decade has been David Moyes. { I grew to despise him, stayed too long, a bottler} He knew what he was dealing with and Kenwright too. But David Moyes was never more than a holding manager with risk aversion and little ambition. He had reached his zenith of mediocrity. It suited Kenwright to have him, and he had his moments but he is not a man for the situation we are in. He shafted the club and fans when he went to United, and we need to unite behind a manager who can lift the team and fans as one.

Does that mean an Evertonian is best suited? it would if we had someone in the frame who could do the job. Rooney, Stubbs, Ferguson? Honestly don't think any of them are good enough.

But we need something different, a tactician and well as a motivator, smart use of players, tactics and bonding. Does he exist?

Tony Abrahams
75 Posted 25/01/2023 at 10:01:18
If I was advocating a man, who knows how the club works, and who the bad apples are, then I’d have already given the job to Alan Stubbs.

Maybe they aren’t good enough Christine, but Stubbs has talked more sense about what is wrong at Everton, over the last few days, as anyone else, and has definitely identified the biggest reason why Everton are in this current position.

Stubbs, with Ferguson and Rooney doing the coaching, or maybe Big Duncan managing, and leaving the training ground stuff to the other two?

It would mean Kenwright would have to leave, and if three isn’t a crowd, then massive Evertonians, with a genuine love for the club,might just give us a fighting chance of survival?

Danny O’Neill
76 Posted 25/01/2023 at 10:04:45
I honestly do not know who we will go for or be able to appoint. I have no clue. Not that I ever would outside of reading rumours or gossip.

On Sam's list, Tuchel and Hassenhutl appeal. Maybe the latter would take the chalice but I doubt the former would right now.

On Allardyce, I've been vocal in the past and recently. He's corrupt and his firehose ran out when he got West Brom relegated. I know needs must, but is that what we aspire to at Everton.

Reset and get his club ready for the future. Not next week. Although next week is important as we go to burst Arsenal's bubble.

Which leads me to the discussion on Arteta. I was sceptical but I'm genuinely pleased for his success to date. I just wonder (and I don't wish this on him) if the master will overtake the apprentice this season.

Obviously not the same, but a Kevin Keegan's Newcastle versus Manchester United moment? I wouldn't rule out City just yet.

Finn Taylor
77 Posted 25/01/2023 at 10:17:35
I have no idea who should be the manager - good luck to the person who does take it.

I do despair when I see the names of Rooney or Ferguson touted; on what merit, exactly? They are blue? Stubbs is a new one. Anyone can see the problems, but who can solve them?

Lack of ambition, vision, and desire is why we are in this position. I am still believing we can get out of this.

Christopher Timmins
78 Posted 25/01/2023 at 10:17:51
Of all the names mentioned to date the former Southampton boss appeals most to me on the basis that he is available and might come, certainly his style of play would be more palatable than that of Dyche.

Unfortunately the manner in which he sets up and tries to play bears no relation to that of a number of our previous managers and as a consequence he may not have the players that he wants in order to implement his style.

We have to start somewhere and we can't be going from one extreme to another in proposed playing style!

Steve Brown
79 Posted 25/01/2023 at 10:18:09
What we need from our next manager is clear - who can get us 20 points from our last 19 games assuming 35 league points will keep us up.

It will be a distinct advantage if the manager knows the club, the players and the premiership.

That makes for a very short short-list. Let's get on with it.

Alun Jones
80 Posted 25/01/2023 at 10:18:29
I guess Andrew (69) it would be the pull of the EPL. Despite Everton’s position it’s an opportunity to manage at the top table. It would not be the first time a manager doing well overseas has been attracted to the Premier League, clubs like Southampton, Wolves and Watford for example have been able to regularly attract foreign managers.
Bob Parrington
81 Posted 25/01/2023 at 10:21:25
No manager, no new strikers and a hotch-potch of potential managers to choose from, most of whom will think, sh?t why would I want to take this job? Oh, yes, because I'm as desperate as they are! And Everton are suckers and so will pay me big bucks to fail.

Not sure which of the managers being considered will be able to do the job well enough to keep us up.

Danny O’Neill
82 Posted 25/01/2023 at 10:24:05
Tony, I also agree on Stubbs.

I don't know what role, but he clearly feels like us. Because he is one of us. But his career took him elsewhere, so he isn't as blinded as some and speaks from the heart. He would be great to have in the club that effectively shafted him on health issues. He isn't afraid to speak out, which would strike fear into the heart of the current Soviet-like regime who are ignoring everything that is going on around them and shooting the next poor messenger (manager).

Despite what the club done to him, he came back and is still as passionate about his club as any of us.

I've mentioned it before, watch the YouTube clip of the Hibs fans singing Sunshine of Leith after winning the Scottish Cup under his stewardship. Very moving.

The People's Club? My Arse. Drop that title. They don't understand the people who live and breathe this club. They weren't even at Goodison last time out.

Alan Stubbs's words over the past week have probably been very uncomfortable for some in the Hogwarts corridors of Goodison Park.

Keep going, Alan. You are speaking the truth and giving us a voice.

Tony Abrahams
83 Posted 25/01/2023 at 10:24:51
I was told a very long time ago that Arteta, had been earmarked by Arsenal Wenger, for the Arsenal job, and this is probably why a lot of the ludicrous anti-Wenger brigade, couldn’t or wouldn’t take to Arteta.

It’s still early days for little Mickey, but I thought his Arsenal team played in a way that reflected Wenger, a lot more than Guardiola, when I watched them beat United on Sunday, and the other most noticeable thing, is how Arsenal have suddenly found a lot of unity, between the players and the fans.

How can Everton find unity, during our darkest hours? Getting rid of one of the darkest characters ever associated with our club (imo) might be just as important as finding the right manager now?

Finn, I genuinely understand your despair, but if a manager comes in and fails then he will have just got it wrong, but I’m sure it would mean a lot more to the people I mentioned, if they could keep Everton up.

Your reply might be Alan Shearer!

Dale Rose
84 Posted 25/01/2023 at 10:31:34
I suppose from a managerial point, this might not be a bad gig. There is no huge expectation. Relegation according to many on this site is a certainty. We have the same bunch of players and hierarchy that we have had since Frank took over. It may be that this is a time to look to the youngsters to pull us out of the mire. I hate to sound defeatist but we have to get some fight and pride back into this team. I doubt that's going to come from this bunch.
Trevor Peers
85 Posted 25/01/2023 at 10:32:16
Bielsa's mercenary wage demands are collosal plus he wants players with pace brought in before this window ends, that must rule him out, he'll get neither. Yet he seems to going through an interview process which will just be a total waste of time.

So why aren't the club interviewing people who actually want the job ? This a huge part of the problem at Everton we are pitifully slow to act. Probably because there's no real plan in the boardroom about the way forward.

Hassenhuttl has shown himself to be below par he'd be no better than Lampard, that leaves Dyche or Ferguson, or someone not yet mentioned. With pedantic decision making like this no wonder we're on the brink of relegation and we probably deserve to be.

Paul Cherrington
86 Posted 25/01/2023 at 10:35:44
great article and interesting to think about the various options out there for the new manager. I think it's a little unfair on Allardyce though to pin the huge amounts of money we have wasted over the years on him.

He only signed 2 players after all - Walcott was decent enough without setting the world on fire and Tosun wasn't that bad, he was just never given a proper run of games after Allardyce left.

There's a lot of other managers before and since who have wasted more money on worse players.

Christine Foster
87 Posted 25/01/2023 at 10:38:38
Tony, somewhere in that mix could be Tim Cahill, not as a manager but he is a smart cookie, loves Everton, best mates with Arteta and has good worldwide contacts. On and off the pitch. A no2 perhaps? Or on the board if not pitchside? Too good to waste...except he never had a bad word to say about Kenwright...
But I know where your coming from, a coalition of thunder and passion pitchside..an unholy Trinity perhaps, Rooney Stubbs and Ferguson.. whoa betide any player who shirked a tackle, ambled back or came off the pitch clean..
Dale Rose
88 Posted 25/01/2023 at 10:44:15
Christine 87. Good post. Certainly worth a gamble at this stage. Our options are very limited.
Barry Hesketh
89 Posted 25/01/2023 at 10:44:32
Everton want to have a new manager appointed by Friday so they have a full week to prepare for the Arsenal match. Farhad Moshiri wants to press ahead with the appointment of Marcelo Bielsa. Moshiri is enamoured by the idea.(Source - @MiguelDelaney )

If Bielsa does get the gig, Bill will be infuriated when the manager refuses to speak English, and Bill won't be able to make suggestions on who to play, or give his Everton history lessons.

Ray Jacques
90 Posted 25/01/2023 at 10:50:53
I wanted Bielsa, but if the guy isn't 100% committed then don't take him or we will have another Koemann on our hands.

Leaning now towards Corberan, a young dynamic guy with new ideas, or maybe Hassenhutl who had his best players sold from under his nose constantly, perhaps Big Sam could return and grind out some results, take Dyche if he is hungry to get back in, possibly we could prise Arteta if Bill blubs down the phone and gives him the missing Arteta money, a Russian manager which would be popular or an unknown lower league manager who wants to make a name for himself, there are lots of managers in the european leagues we could get, Sarri ball would maybe work, is Villas Boas still alive?

Two things I am sure of-
1) the Director of Football should make the choice or what is his purpose?
2) None of the ex Evertonians should be appointed.

Sam Hoare
91 Posted 25/01/2023 at 10:56:52
Paul@86 you're right, Allardyce was certainly not the only or the worst culprit in terms of wasting money. But I feel his appointment at the time was indicative of the lack of clear thinking and long term planning from the board. We were in a better position then relative to now (having come 7th the season before) and whilst Allardyce has his uses he seldom lays the foundations for an improving team.
Tony Abrahams
92 Posted 25/01/2023 at 10:57:30
Too good to waste, or maybe little Timmy, has created a fantastic life, which is probably too good to waste on Everton, right now Christine?

I take your point though, because I would love as many people as possible, to be inside our club, with the heart, desire and application, that Cahill always provided.

Tony Abrahams
93 Posted 25/01/2023 at 11:00:14
Tosun and Walcott? It’s only when you start going back, do you realize how many bad players, or even good players, who had simply just lost their hunger, since Moshiri took over and decided to go with a director of football.
Danny O’Neill
94 Posted 25/01/2023 at 11:00:34
Barry, I know it will never happen unless I go and protest outside one of his theatres, but I'd love to have a discussion with Bill on Everton history.

He may have a couple of decades or more on me, but I think I could give him a run for his money.

Jim Wilson
95 Posted 25/01/2023 at 11:44:31
Moshiri wants Bielsa and yet we want to sell one of the first players he would want on his team sheet

We need to stop this madness now.

Get Dyche in to work with Baines and Ferguson and lets see what they can do.

We have an Arsenal game followed by Liverpool coming up soon. We need as many days as possible to be ready for these games.

Will everybody please wake up, let's have a bit of reality, get back to basics, and get on with supporting our team.

And a couple of sensible signings would help.

Dave Evans
96 Posted 25/01/2023 at 11:45:58
I don't buy the rhetoric that Dyche is the dinosaur/dullard candidate and Nuno the mystical/flair candidate. Did anyone watch some of the last twenty or so Wolve's games under him?

They were slower than us. Like our present team on barbs. They took about 15 minutes to cross the half-way line. It was risk-averse instruction football. Any danger pass it back. If necessary, way back.

Both Dyche and Nuno are capable of keeping the team up. But neither will have a monopoly on getting us leaping from our seat or bored bog-eyed and rigid to it.

Paul Tran
97 Posted 25/01/2023 at 12:07:34
Darren, I don't play the binary game of 'outsider good', blue bad'.

I'd argue Koeman, Allardyce, Ancelotti and Benitez were here for a last payday or stepping stone to Barcelona. Only Silva saw it as a step up. I'm not sure Arteta willl have seen it as a step up, that's my point on intellligence.

Good point about relative standards. The standards, expectations and organisation of the club is more significant for me - that's what needs to be raised.

And I hope we get in right this time, whoever he is.

Peter Hodgson
98 Posted 25/01/2023 at 12:10:47
Never mind hypothising about the various systems possible managers might utilise should they come to us we have got to talk about, for what good it will do us, which manager will be able to get some sort of tune from the players we have already got. No incomings of any significance will be coming. Full stop.

So we are not going to be left with much choice. That being the case the question that needs answering by (presumably Thelwell) is which Manager is who is available that hasn't worked here before, is available now, is going to ask for a sensible salary and has experience in the sort of situation we are in.

Straightforward then Sean Dyche. He was doing it more or less for years at Burnley with crap players so coming here he won't need introductions as he already knows them. Problem solved. Don't expect glowing football however. It has to be Dogs of War from now on.

Jim Wilson
99 Posted 25/01/2023 at 12:16:41
Peter @ 98

Absolute common sense!

Dyche with help from Baines And Ferguson

Dogs of war!

Colin Glassar
100 Posted 25/01/2023 at 12:20:27
Why not try finishing the season without a manager? Let the players decide how they want to play, in what formation, when they train, who plays etc… They’ve been doing this for years anyway maybe the responsibility will have a positive effect.

Just look at our economy, it’s been plodding along for the last 10 years with an effective PM or government.

Peter Neilson
101 Posted 25/01/2023 at 12:31:00
That’s worth a try Colin. Maybe Doucoure could lead the sessions. He’s now familiar with putting out the cones and having some company would be nice for him.
Ray Jacques
102 Posted 25/01/2023 at 12:36:10
H ha Colin, I think you could make valid comparisons relating to the running of EFC and the Govt over the past decade, numerous changes, no direction, dodgy dealings(?), no accountability and two once fine institutions in a state of destitution and financial peril.
Danny O’Neill
103 Posted 25/01/2023 at 12:36:29
I've said it.

The managers have said it in a hidden way (not a magician / can't work miracles etc).

The players aren't good enough and haven't been for years. The club has been badly run and managed.

I think the phrase is you can't polish a turd. Even if you are a serial European Champion who has won more than most in the game.

Anthony Murphy
104 Posted 25/01/2023 at 12:43:59
Bielsa ‘I need pacey players for my system - who’s the fastest player in the squad?’

Thelwell ‘Anthony Gordon’

Bielsa ‘Great, he’ll do - I’m on my way’

Thelwell ‘there is one thing I need to mention’

Bielsa ‘don’t worry, I’ve seen his harlequin kecks and dyed hair, not a problem - anything else?’

Sam Hoare
105 Posted 25/01/2023 at 12:59:38
Peter@98, I think there's a lot of logic in this. Though i'm somewhat depressed to hear myself say it I think Dyche would make sense in this situation.

He's worked on a shoestring with limited players before and he also has got Burnley promoted twice, so has excellent championship credentials which sadly is an important consideration in our position.

It wouldn't be pretty and it probably wouldn't be popular but it may just be effective. And most of all he would probably take the job unlike a lot of the options on my list!

Colin Glassar
106 Posted 25/01/2023 at 13:16:01
I meant to write “without an effective PM or govt”.
Jim Wilson
107 Posted 25/01/2023 at 13:23:30
Get Dyche in. End the madness

Get Baines and Ferguson to help

Let's get started today and prepare for the Arsenal game!

Tony Everan
108 Posted 25/01/2023 at 13:27:50
Sounds like it’s Bielsa in on Friday then off on their jollies to Tenerife.

“Marcelo Bielsa is the front runner for the Everton job. Everton would like to get this done as quickly as possible. Marcelo Bielsa would like to come in, and take the players to warm weather training. “

Source: (@VinnOConnor) Liverpool Echo

Colin Glassar
109 Posted 25/01/2023 at 13:30:24
Relegation here we come!! I doubt bielsa will get beyond April. Hope I’m wrong.
Peter Carpenter
110 Posted 25/01/2023 at 13:31:14
And Dyche would like to come in and take them to the Arctic for training.
Ian Edwards
111 Posted 25/01/2023 at 13:33:47
Whenever we have a Managerial vacancy there will be supporters wanting anyone that played for the Club as Manager. Ferguson or Rooney for example. They conveniently forget that both have less experience than Lampard.

I wouldn't send either of them for a bag of chips.

Joshua Steadman
112 Posted 25/01/2023 at 13:35:21
Sam your comment (48) I need more of this!! Regardless of your source, just some idea of what the board are thinking. You didn't mention Sharp? Does he have a say? I think Thelwell should have the final say. If his choice is Corberan then even better! Has a bit of the Moyes signing about it. Good age too. Who would you go for?
Sam Hoare
113 Posted 25/01/2023 at 13:38:33
I’d be very surprised if Bielsa agrees. As far as I know he has NEVER joined a club without having pre season. For good reason. His system takes some getting used to.

He’s an interesting manager but a strange choice for us at this moment.

Sam Hoare
114 Posted 25/01/2023 at 13:42:52
Joshua@112, I think Dyche and Marcelino would be on my shortlist and I’d see if Gallardo could be tempted to interview. Possibly someone like Corberan, Postecoglu or Adi Hutter if they were interested. We’re not an easy sell currently!
Michael Lynch
115 Posted 25/01/2023 at 13:51:39
Sam @113 which tends to raise the question "who is making the decisions at Goodison"?

Surely they know Bielsa's modus operandi, so why on earth are they pursuing him? Or are they pursuing him at all, as we've only got the media's word for it.

Raymond Fox
116 Posted 25/01/2023 at 13:53:24
Danny 103, even you have come down from cloud nine.
I just hope we can stay up, if its just for your sake mate.
We need to support the players to have a chance, god knows where their heads are now.
Joshua Steadman
117 Posted 25/01/2023 at 13:54:08
Please be right Sam!! Not Bielsa, agree with Danny Murphy - sadly! He will take us down. Moshiri needs to keep his nose out of it and trust Thelwell to do his job, he talks him up often enough.
Sean Roe
118 Posted 25/01/2023 at 13:57:08
If it's Bielsa, I will take an Everton holiday and come back when we are relegated and he is sacked.

He is with out a doubt the worst person that could be appointed at this time and with this squad of players in my opinion.

Danny O’Neill
119 Posted 25/01/2023 at 13:59:15
I'm just hurting right now Raymond.

I'll be back on form ahead of Arsenal!

Darren Hind
120 Posted 25/01/2023 at 14:01:02
Paul

I wasnt suggesting you were playing the binery game, but there is a lot who are. You don't even have to leave this thread to see that.

When I hear people dismiss suggested names because they are inexperienced. I wonder where they have been for the past five years ? Have they only just arrived at this shit show ?

A steady stream of vastly "experienced" managers have taken it in turns to oversee this long and painful decline.

What earthly fucking good has "experience" done for us ?

We don't need a Rinus Michells, or a Pep Guadiola. We sure as well don't need another Carlo. Survival is the name of our game.

I don't want another "experienced" manager who is only here because Moshiri has made him a multi millionaire. I want somebody who will do it for love. Not money.

I want somebody who will put his heart and soul into this club. I want somebody who will get the entire club pulling in the one direction. Somebody who can get the players putting their heart and soul into the effort too.

We need somebody to unite this club. Does anybody seriously think that is Dyche ? If he was appointed at 2.00 today. This place would have completely melted by 3.00.

The first sign of a bad result, would have the fans all over him.

I despair when people claim none of the Evertonians mentioned have what it takes. How do they know ? All we can know is that all the managers chosen instead of them in the past didnt have what it takes. Thats now a proven fact

Disaster may not be averted anyway. The dice have to be rolled

Frank McGregor
121 Posted 25/01/2023 at 14:04:47
It really is difficult to come to terms with the fact that Everton will be relegated this season, it appears inevitable.

Everton unfortunately will be in the same category as Sunderland, Middlesbrough, Derby County etc.

It happened to Newcastle United in recent past history and supporters should use Newcastle as a bench mark for the recovery of the club.

Unfortunately I am in my eighties and will not see the recovery.

Rennie Smith
122 Posted 25/01/2023 at 14:11:21
Darren, who takes a job for love not money? I thought I was living in the past but that just doesn't make sense.
"We sure as well don't need another Carlo", I'm sorry but I don't get this either, why not? Ok he wasn't here very long but in that short time did he not prove himself to be way above the other shite we've had? People want Moshiri to spend money on decent players and decent managers, but now we don't? I'm confused.
Kieran Kinsella
123 Posted 25/01/2023 at 14:15:52
Darren,

So experience is unnecessary and it's about love? Why don't you just do the job then yourself? I love Indiana Jones films so based on your wisdom I am going to show up in Hollywood and tell them Harrison Ford's experience is unnecessary and his wage exhorbitant as I will do the role for love.

The game has moved on from the old days of sandhills and trying hard. It's much more complex and scientific in terms of prep, training etc. That's why you need someone who knows what he is doing and not just some Forrest Gump heart on his sleeve type.

Eric Haworth
124 Posted 25/01/2023 at 14:15:59
Using Peter #98 closing comments regarding not expecting glowing football, I wholeheartedly agree. What’s needed in this time of crisis is someone with pragmatism & the intelligence to recognise the order of the day is to get points on the board by hook or by crook, not some playing out from the back & through the lines Pep wannabe.

I’m in my 70’s & been a season ticket holder since the 1960’s & over the years I’ve seen both the best & the worst. So I’m a bit bewildered with all this sniffyness about the football credentials of the likes of Dyche & to some extent Allardyce, (albeit I wouldn’t want Allardyce as my BFF). Because we’ve been served some dross over the years & certainly a lot worse than their teams have played. But what they do possess is the pragmatism & intelligence to just play to their strengths & use the tools at hand to dig out results.

In fact, I sympathise with our younger brethren, (my 2 sons among them) who’ve been subject to some mind numbing stuff over the past few decades, and although it gall’s me to say this because he wasn’t one of my favourites. But in my opinion you have to go back to the latter days of David Moyes & the Baines/Pienaar/Arteta/Cahill/ Coleman combinations & 2 touch football, for a period when we were served positive consistent quality football.

So let’s not rewrite our recent history, that we’ve been treated to the sort of exciting attacking football that defined us as the School of Science, under the likes of Messrs Koeman, Benitez, Martinez, Silva, Lampard & even Don Carlo, and kid ourselves that sideways, backwards, 100 passes before we get to the halfway line, (that’s if we actually get that far & don’t give the ball away) qualifies as scintillating football, then I’ve been watching the wrong game for the past 60 years?

So let’s not get to sniffy & cut the likes of Dyche & Co a bit of slack, as we can’t afford to be too proud in our current predicament, because they’re precisely what we need.

Footnote: BTW if reports can be believed, my vote goes to Kevin Thelwell’s preferred choice, Carlos Corberan the ex-Bielsa assistant. Because what he’s achieved to date in turning things around at West Brom in a matter of 3 months, can only be described as truly remarkable & precisely what’s needed here. Just putting it out there 🤷‍♂️

Danny O’Neill
125 Posted 25/01/2023 at 14:18:31
Darren, great post.

I suggest you and I throw a joint bid in for the job!!

On a more serious note, survival is the immediate and obvious objective. They will break my heart if they didn't do that.

But then after that we need to consider our strategy.

Manager wise, I just don't have a clue who will be next. Like you, I just want someone who is competent and cares about this club as much as I do.

That is a challenge because I wake up in the night thinking about Everton.

Martin Mason
126 Posted 25/01/2023 at 14:27:06
For the selection process of the next manager I'd use chicken bones or short straws because it will be vastly better than the process used to select other managers we've had. The selection criteria I've seen so far are so subjective they are funny but come on, what are the selection criteria? Does it matter now while the cancer at the top is still there? If it is all just pot luck and guesswork, as I maintain it is, just get Ferguson back on a short contract initially and hope for the best. He is as good as anybody else in the frame surely.
Paul Cherrington
127 Posted 25/01/2023 at 14:28:14
Sam@91 - I can see what you're saying to be fair and you have good points. The season Allardyce came in though we were really struggling as I remember and he took us up the table. If I remember we were about 16th and in freefall when he arrived but ended up finishing around 7th or 8th.

He did a pretty decent job for me and we were in a better position under him than we are now. I think he could have given us long term stability and built a team if we had given him longer.

He didn't really have chance to do any of that with being here such a short amount of time. I know it's a while ago but he showed he could do it when he was at Bolton.

Darren Hind
128 Posted 25/01/2023 at 14:38:08
Rennie

When two former players were asked to take the hot seat and stop the slide down the table. They did it for no extra money.

Of course anybody would want paying if they took the job for a longer contract (say 6 moths), but they wouldnt be here ONLY for the Moshiri Millions. They would do it for a lot less than the others because they love the club. I think they proved that. Dont you ?... Can you say that about all those managers who failed so miserably ?

Carlo saw his team slide down the table and he was unable to arrest the fall. If anything, we have a worse team now. What makes you think he could arrest this slide ?

Unless of course he has joined the magic circle, taught himself to pull rabbits from his hat and now believes that he IS a magician.

Danny

I would be up for that. as long as we had Rob Hal standing behind us when we delivered the team talk.

Mal van Schaick
129 Posted 25/01/2023 at 14:43:50
If it’s not dads army, it’s another stab in the dark. This bunch of misfits need managing, cajoling and kick arse. Penn and Teller, would do well to get us out of trouble.
Kieran Kinsella
130 Posted 25/01/2023 at 14:47:26
Danny

If you want success, loving the club as much as fans isn't important. There was a recent study that found that 15 percent of CEOs (eg, successful people) are clinical psychopaths. People incapable of love.

Robert Oppenheimer the man who made the nuclear bomb was a psychopath with no friends who attempted to murder his best mate. Other people including Steve Jobs, Mourinho, Zuckerberg, Tiger Woods, Stalin, etc have been described as narcissists or sociopaths by people in the mental health field.

None of these people are capable of love but they are successful. That is what we need.

Dennis Stevens
131 Posted 25/01/2023 at 14:52:00
Paul #127,

Allardyce did take us up the table but we weren't in freefall when he arrived. In fact, the number of points per league match achieved by Allardyce is the same as Unsworth was already achieving. This was despite the fact that Allardyce was far more experienced, had a lot more time to work with the squad, and benefitted from new signings mid-season.

Perhaps they'd got as much out of that squad as anybody was going to. If so, that's possibly an indicator of the ongoing issue of squad quality, or the lack of it, that seems to have affected a succession of managers.

Jim Wilson
132 Posted 25/01/2023 at 14:52:11
If Bielsa comes in, we are down.

You can always be confident of one thing with Everton.

They will do the opposite to what they should do.

Utter Madness.

Raymond Fox
133 Posted 25/01/2023 at 14:56:26
Bournemouth just got two more reinforcements in.
While we have !
Mike Owen
134 Posted 25/01/2023 at 15:05:36
Always a gamble choosing a new manager. But, given the situation we're in, and the perilous financial problems that relegation would cause, I would "play the percentages" and go for Sam Allardyce.

Need someone who knows what he is walking into. Someone who can take the pressure. In fact, given his unpopularity with parts of the fanbase, could be useful if he was taking flak rather than the players.

Need somebody pragmatic. Am convinced that if Frank had played DCL and Maupay together, and just focused on getting the ball to them, we would have scored more goals, got more points and he'd still be manager. But, I don't think Frank ever tried that once.

As for Sam, I still smile when I think of the point we got at Anfield in December 2017 and the chant that went up at the final whistle from our end:

"One-one, and we hardly touched the ball."

But whoever becomes manager, and whatever players we have, if we want to stay up, we should support them.

Matthew Williams
135 Posted 25/01/2023 at 15:06:39
1. Pereira (if we have the funds!).
2. Dyche (Old School).
3. Corbaran (Left Field appointment).
4. Erm... Lyndon.
5. The Tea Lady.

Whoever it is, do it fast!

Eric Myles
136 Posted 25/01/2023 at 15:10:13
Dupont #63, so Baines as interim manager with Ferguson as assistant.

"Speak softy but carry a big stick" as someone once said.

Danny O’Neill
137 Posted 25/01/2023 at 15:11:56
There is a lot of sense in what you say, Kieran.

But I don't care. I will follow this team and club just as I have done all of my life just as you will do.

I can't not love Everton. I travel the country watching and urging them on.

Much to the dismay and confusion of my family.

They question me. But they can't change me.

No-one ever will..

Ed Prytherch
138 Posted 25/01/2023 at 15:12:45
Duncan was assistant to all of our managers from Koeman to Lampard and then he left. I doubt that he would want to be anyone's assistant in the future.

He should have been given the job when Carlo left. I don't see him coming back unless it is as manager.

Tom Bowers
139 Posted 25/01/2023 at 15:13:50
First of all, let's get one thing straight: anyone out there without a job will jump at this opportunity.

They know that deep down if the likes of Koeman, Ancelotti, and Benitez could get things going, then they won't be expected to over the short-term which is what Everton need at the moment. Eighteen games to start getting some wins that will keep them up is the target.

Sadly they continue to dither in the transfer window which obviously means they cannot compete financially unless they sell.

They could have capitalized early in the season with Gordon but for some reason held on to him and his form became so-so like many others.

Spurs offered more money and were a much greater attraction to Danjuma so that was a bust.

Regardless of where they are at the season's end I believe Pickford will go.

Moshiri is full of bullshit so things are only going to get worse and that's the bottom line!!

Darren Hind
140 Posted 25/01/2023 at 15:20:42
"15% of successful people are clinical psychopaths...That's what we need"

I guess that approach will at least get rid of the other 85%... Speed up the selection process.

Still, I think it will come as great comfort to all Evertonians to learn that what They've been watching for the past 10 years is "Complex and scientific"

Dale Self
141 Posted 25/01/2023 at 15:26:47
Yeah let’s not internalize Monaco Man’s lack of discernible humanity. It’s his pile we will still be around to clean it up
Eric Myles
142 Posted 25/01/2023 at 15:29:22
"Never understood why in the normal workplace you get nothing for being sacked."

Jeff #23, because you're not on a fixed term contract and have a one month's notice clause.

Colin Glassar
143 Posted 25/01/2023 at 15:29:46
Fun fact about Bielsa ‘el loco’. After losing 6-0 while managing Newells in Argentina, fans turned up at his house with bad intentions. Bielsa came out in his pyjamas holding a hand grenade and made them run for their lives.

Maybe he’ll use the same tactic at finch farm.

Kieran Kinsella
144 Posted 25/01/2023 at 15:32:57
Colin

I was thinking we need someone like Alec Baldwin in Glengarry Glen Ross. Imagine the players doing their usual pat on the back, glib, waive at the camera half-arsed kick-around for EvertonTV, then:

"Coffee is for closers. Bad news: You're fired. Good news: you've got 24 hours to earn your jobs back."

But on second thoughts I think your idea of the hand grenade would spark more of an immediate response. Especially it might allow us to see how fast some of these guys can really run.

Jeff Spiers
145 Posted 25/01/2023 at 15:35:40
Kopite mate says Tony Pulis is available AAHHHHHHH
Brent Stephens
146 Posted 25/01/2023 at 15:36:56
Mattew #135 you say
"1. Pereira (if we have the funds!).
2. Dyche (Old School).
3. Corbaran (Left Field appointment).
4. Erm... Lyndon.
5. The Tea Lady."

Lyndon ahead of the tea lady?! You creep!

Jeff Spiers
147 Posted 25/01/2023 at 15:38:47
Kopite mate says Tony Pulis is available AAHHHHHHH
Kieran Kinsella
148 Posted 25/01/2023 at 15:41:06
Darren

The complex scientific approach has been delivered by nice guys. Folks who "get us," who talk about ice incubators and dreams, fellows who Coleman liked cause they always asked about his family. We need someone utterly ruthless. Someone to strike fear into the hearts of men so they dare not return to the dressing room without a win. Someone who can make a ref melt just by glaring at him. No more babying 24 years olds as "promising youngsters." A psychopath.

Jeff Spiers
149 Posted 25/01/2023 at 15:46:18
Eric thanks for the reply
Barry Cowling
150 Posted 25/01/2023 at 15:51:47
I think Bielsa will get us relegated, which is just not an option for us, and if he is interested then he is doing a damn good job of not looking interested. We want someone who really wants to come and with experience of PL and would look at the job as a step up and by all accounts Dyche is interested. Also I don't go for the hoofball merchant he is portrayed as, he is hardly a pullis or mccaarthy. He didnt get Burnley promoted playing hoofball and he didnt play that kind of football at Watford, he had to change the style in the PL because he had to cut his cloth accordingly, Burnley consistently had one of the lowest budgets in the league. On another note it seems with pretty much all PL teams now playing build from the back possession football there is a lot to be said for bypassing the midfield and putting pressure on the defence, as he will almost certainly play with 2 up front
Neil Copeland
151 Posted 25/01/2023 at 15:54:08
Is Peter Sutcliffe still alive? Does anyone have his number?
Neil Copeland
152 Posted 25/01/2023 at 15:55:26
Kieran Kinsella
153 Posted 25/01/2023 at 15:57:06
Neil

Unfortunately not

Kevin Molloy
154 Posted 25/01/2023 at 16:04:19
I think we need to look beyond Yorkshire for OUR heroes. it's a big world out there.
Paul Tran
155 Posted 25/01/2023 at 16:05:06
Darren, I actually agree with most of that, though I don't differentiate between insiders and outsiders. Did these managers get the best out of what they had? No. It's a competence and good fit issue more than anything else.

Who will unite us? Frank's results were poor, yet from up here, he appeared to be popular. Allardyce got us to eighth, yet seemingly united us because most of us disliked him from the off. I think people would really want Ferguson to succeed if he got it, but your argument about Dyche and a few bad results would probably extend to Ferguson and everyone else at the moment.

I don't think we need a 'saviour' right now, just someone who can organise, motivate and have the players playing to their strengths.

That's not much to ask, surely? There must be someone out there who can do that?

Kevin Molloy
156 Posted 25/01/2023 at 16:14:02
We need somebody with vast experience and bullet proof confidence to airlift us out of this debacle. It's mad not to go back to Allardyce. He's by far the safest bet. he'd probably throw in a draw at Anfield for good measure.
John Williams
157 Posted 25/01/2023 at 16:39:16
If my memory serves me well, I don t think Allardyce was
to happy when his services were not required at the end
of that season we stayed up.
Having said that, this man will do anything when there is money being waved about in front of his face.
Although not my choice, its looking more like the ex Burnley manager.
Kieran Kinsella
158 Posted 25/01/2023 at 16:45:34
John

He wasn't but he's been on a charm offensive this week talking about how much he likes Moshiri and offering his ideas on what he'd do, whilst also saying "if they wanted me they'd have called me by now," which is precisely what he said last time after we were linked with him then hesitated. With our squad, he might be a good fit. Tall, slow, limited footballers at center back. A Tall forward who is good in the air. Midfielders who can't do much other than tackle. If he could get Pickford on the same page with long balls to Gray, and teach someone how to take corners or free kicks he could carve out half a dozen boring 1-0 wins with this crew.

Colin Glassar
159 Posted 25/01/2023 at 16:55:03
Ranieri would be a good laugh.
Andy Meighan
160 Posted 25/01/2023 at 17:03:48
Christine @87.

A holy trinity of Ferguson, Stubbs and Rooney. Bit of fist-pumping for a couple of games, and then this crew would down tools.

The 3 of them would be tactically brain-dead. And wouldn't Kenwright love that triumvate on the bench.

Nah sorry but I'm afraid that wouldn't work.

Brian Williams
161 Posted 25/01/2023 at 17:29:25
Don't know if this point has been raised before but would we not need the new manager to be able to communicate readily and get his ideas across to the players clearly and quickly?


As most of them speak English, would it not be sensible to hire someone who has a really good commend of the English language?

Bielsa doesn't speak English which, IMHO, just adds to the mountain of problems the players seem to already have in following instructions.

Jeff Spiers
163 Posted 25/01/2023 at 18:56:10
Paul @162.

That's frightening.

Kieran Kinsella
164 Posted 25/01/2023 at 19:00:44
Brian,

Hopefully Mina as the sole Spanish speaker in the squad can translate. That's if he heeded Marco Silva's warning to learn English himself.

Fran Mitchell
165 Posted 25/01/2023 at 19:08:53
How do people still keep repeating this "Bielsa doesn't speak English" lark?

It's been widely known, and so much repeated, on multiple platforms, that Bielsa speaks English.

He chooses to use an in public with the media interpreter to guarantee that his words are not misinterpreted.

That is just part of how much he cares about the details. He doesn't want to be misinterpreted or misunderstood. He speaks English, but not as fluently as his native tongue, so would prefer to use a professional interpreter to ensure he can say exactly what he wants to say.

Sean Kelly
166 Posted 25/01/2023 at 19:17:52
Neil #151.

666

Gary Johnson
167 Posted 25/01/2023 at 19:55:20
We are not getting someone in today, so that's 5 days left to work with. I really don't think there is any manager in the world who's going to build something in that time, so my view now is don't bother.

If Duncan is available and willing, then give him the job. Else, see if Carsley fancies a crack. Else give it to Tait, let Baines step up to U21s and give the U18s to Seamus. Tell whoever takes it that we want youth stepping in and up.

Bring back Branthwaite and Warrington. Tell Newcastle's £40M winger (Gordon) he's going absolutely nowhere till summer, but offer him a proper wage without forcing an extension on him to do so. If he doesn't want it, enjoy the U21s, Tintin.

If we can ship out Keane, Mina, Holgate, Doucoure, Begovic or Maupay for reasonable money, then do so. Any option of cancelling Vinagre or Coady, then get rid too. Promote fringe youth to the first team properly.

Let's just be Everton. Ex-players were never our problem, it's always been Kenwright's mismanagement that is. Let's get back to being us. If that means QPR or Sheffield Wednesday games, and 44 games a season, who frigging cares? Got as much chance of winning a league or cup there as we do in the Premier League anyway.

Pickford / Leban
Patterson / John
Tarkowski / Welch
Godfrey / Branthwaite
Mykolenko / Samuels-Smith
Onana / Warrington
Iwobi / Price / Davies
Gana / Garner
Gordon / Mills
Calvert-Lewin / Simms
Gray / McNeil

Most of the left will go in the summer if we go down, and they can have that legacy if they wish. Anything less than a 7 out of 10 and start playing the right-hand list ready for next year. There's still a future for us, but not if it's built around managers demanding £11M a year, and knobheads like Danjuma who come only because they think their choice is limited.

Julian Exshaw
168 Posted 25/01/2023 at 20:02:18
Has there ever been a case in the history of world football where a manager has turned a job down because the players were too slow?

Eleven Usain Bolts before the end of the transfer window then!

Kieran Kinsella
169 Posted 25/01/2023 at 20:05:40
Gary Johnson,

Apparently Duncan Ferguson is taking over at Forest Green

Peter Carpenter
170 Posted 25/01/2023 at 20:06:31
Perhaps Moyes should have used an interpreter. We might have won something.
Tony Byrne
171 Posted 25/01/2023 at 20:29:52
Get Joey Barton in!

Fran Mitchell
172 Posted 25/01/2023 at 21:16:19
The worst part of this is, many fans probably have more varied shortlists than our board do.

The board, even if they were confident in Lampard turning it round, surely should have planned his for his potential exit.

Even after the relegation survival act, a reasonable board should have thought, 'lets prepare, just in case'. That's what all businesses do, or should do - back up plans should things not go to plan for whatever reason.

Especially as the season progressed, especially after the Bournemouth debacles, the board should have been making a shortlist and making initial contact, in the case of things not going to plan.

But alas, it seems not. It seems the board sacked Lampard, set a meeting and went 'sooooooooo, any ideas?'.

Kevin Molloy
173 Posted 25/01/2023 at 21:18:21
odds shortening rapido on Dyche
Danny Baily
174 Posted 25/01/2023 at 21:24:10
Kevin, I see the opposite, with Dyche now at 11/4. Odds on Sam are shortening though!
Pat Kelly
175 Posted 25/01/2023 at 21:38:04
We're going down regardless. Time to accept it and plan for recovery and promotion if we survive financially, which is questionable.
Tony Abrahams
176 Posted 25/01/2023 at 21:42:44
Don’t throw the towel in just yet Pat, we were five points adrift with five matches remaining and survived last season, so let’s see what the next week brings in first.🤞
Danny Baily
177 Posted 25/01/2023 at 21:59:13
We have already been relegated. We're not getting 7 wins from here.

The focus should absolutely be on next season and a promotion push, along with making the club financially sound.

If we make the right decisions now, we can be back in this league before we know it.

Neil Copeland
178 Posted 25/01/2023 at 22:02:43
Sean #166 yep, that’s about right
Neil Copeland
179 Posted 25/01/2023 at 22:04:36
Danny, not yet we haven’t, don’t give up hope mate. It’s a big ask but we can do it if we all pull together…..and pray a little!
Kieran Kinsella
180 Posted 25/01/2023 at 22:06:19
It may seem unlikely but if we beat Arsenal we may not even be in the relegation zone with still 17 games to go.
Tony Byrne
181 Posted 25/01/2023 at 22:10:03
Sean Dyche odds tumbling by the hour, 5/4 with coral.Duncan allegedly turns down Forest green job.

I'd take these two until the end of the season,it needs to be done in the next 24 hours to have at least a bit of time to get bodies in, by hook or by crook.

Plenty of points still to play for. We ain't done yet.

Tony Everan
182 Posted 25/01/2023 at 22:11:03
No throwing the towel in, one big win can change the mood. A new manager can change it, one new player can change the dynamic and the way a team plays. That one win can give some hope back to the fans and some momentum can be built from it. If all that seems unlikely, it’s because it is. That doesn’t mean it’s impossible.

Next week we will have a new manager, a better one than Frank Lampard, and a couple of new players. We go and fight for every point and will never give up.

We need to make a statement to the other six clubs in the mix, that we are Everton and fighting for it.

Dale Self
183 Posted 25/01/2023 at 22:16:28
Good man Neil and Kieran all the way up to 14th is Leicester w 18. Palace and Forest a few points above that and I would only be sure that Wolves wont be in the scrap. So many on low points means theyll be playing each other. We might even benefit from some of them having injuries on the front line like us.

We have paid some heavy dues Fuck Murphy the central limit theorem has to kick in at some point; Everton is not this shitty just the ones in charge.

Kieran Kinsella
184 Posted 25/01/2023 at 22:18:02
Dale

A lot of people are hung up on points tallies seeking 38 or 40 to be safe. But as of now 31 points might be enough to survive if teams keep on the same trajectory.

Neil Copeland
185 Posted 25/01/2023 at 22:27:26
Kieran, true but unlikely. I think we will need at least 35 but as you indicate, who knows? We just need to get some daylight between us and at least 3 others. Ideally, we can kick on a bit from there. Very tough ask but doable.
Dale Self
186 Posted 25/01/2023 at 22:27:29
Yep and the players may get some relief from the drama soon. Maybe next home match put up a big banner, “It’s not you it’s THEM, Come On!!”
Neil Copeland
187 Posted 25/01/2023 at 22:29:01
Dale, problem is that the banner will be upside down and our lot will be 2 down before they figure out what it says.
John Flood
188 Posted 25/01/2023 at 22:30:41
I have not posted for a long time, but I really don’t think people understand the gravity of the situation. We have absolutely no wriggle room with the PL profit & sustainability rules as we have stretched them to the limit. Sacking Lampard and his coaching staff means money needs to be found this month to pay them off or we are facing a 10 point deduction (and possible further points deduction next season). That is why Gordon is getting sold and we are signing nobody. The vultures can see what’s happening hence them now looking at Onana and probably Pickford as well as they sense a fire sale. That is what we have got to offer a new manager - a worse squad than Lampard had with little chance of signing anybody apart from loan deals. Who the hell will want the job under those conditions, never mind being the name to go down in history as the manager who took us down? I really don’t think we’ll get anybody to do it and it’s Tait & Baines in charge until the summer and inevitable relegation.

Bar a miracle that we try some of the young players and they are actually good, then this is going one way, and like Man City in the late 90’s this might only be part 1 of the shit show.

Rob Halligan
189 Posted 25/01/2023 at 22:35:11
What’s with all this crap about needing 40 points to survive? The last team to be relegated with 40 points, or more, was West Ham back in 2002 / 03. Only two other teams have finished in the bottom three with 40 points: Sunderland, in 1996/97, and Bolton Wanderers, in 1997 / 98. All this is based on a twenty team league. This season, with so many teams not even reaching twenty points yet, anything between 34 - 38 points, I reckon will be enough to stay up. So yes, it means we might have to win seven games, with one or two draws thrown in, but do you know what, so does the vast majority of clubs down there with us. So to say “We’ve already been relegated” is just ridiculous.
Paul Smith
190 Posted 25/01/2023 at 22:38:50
I always had an issue with buying the best from relegated teams. It can go two ways, they’ve experienced relegation before and fight tooth and nail to avoid it or they accept losing as it’s in their make up and roll over. Same with a manager I guess.
Robert Tressell
191 Posted 25/01/2023 at 22:47:40
John # 188, I agree. Gordon goes to ensure we remain afloat financially. This isn't about survival in the top flight, it's about survival as a football club.

Weirdly, as Rob # 189 says, we're not done yet though. It is possible that we stay up. Unless Moshiri finds a buyer, however, that is probably another stay of execution like last season before the fire sale of Pickford, DCL and Onana.

Where there's a chance there's hope, I guess.

Danny O’Neill
192 Posted 25/01/2023 at 22:55:42
Now that the boy dog has comforted me and I've licked my wounds, we are 3 points off 14th and are going to Anfield to make Jack Ncholson have an even angrier and more unusual nervous smile.

We are nowhere near relegated. We are in the fight. We just need to fight. And we will.

Brendan McLaughlin
193 Posted 25/01/2023 at 22:56:47
Paul #190

Not sure buying players from relegated teams has been our biggest problem<...perhaps more so buying quality players generally.

Danny Baily
194 Posted 25/01/2023 at 23:00:58
Danny 192, if we win a few we're not expected to then we could get back into the fight, but that's not going to happen. As it stands, we've lost the two six pointers (Wolves and Southampton) we needed to keep us in the race to stay up.
Peter Carpenter
195 Posted 25/01/2023 at 23:04:50
That's my suspicion too, John. Sack Lampard and sell a player to pay him and the others off or keep him and probably go down. What a state to get into.
Kieran Kinsella
196 Posted 25/01/2023 at 23:13:18
Recall Gbamin. We signed about five years ago and barely played him cause we thought he was crap but maybe he’s secretly brilliant at corners like Andy Hinchcliffe proved to be after four years sitting on the bench.
Barry Hesketh
197 Posted 25/01/2023 at 23:26:29
Danny @194

Every team in the bottom half won't win every week, and at the minute they don't have an overwhelming advantage over us. Until, it is mathematically impossible, we live to fight on. Take it a game at a time, it'll be difficult enough, without all of us posting how it is inevitable, but I do agree, we've let more than a few fixtures against fellow stragglers, go by where draws would have helped our plight.

Games away to Forest, Leicester and Wolves, depending on how we are performing could see victories for us, but more importantly we have to make Goodison a real bear-pit, even against the better sides, because a few home wins or perhaps a single home win, will give the players some confidence.

In the immediate aftermath of the Hammers game, I was resigned to going down, that was because we had messed up in so many games against the clubs in and around us, but we just cannot surrender, even if logic says its a futile battle. Football isn't at all logical, and that's what makes it interesting.

Jim Wilson
198 Posted 25/01/2023 at 23:52:12
Get Dyche in. End the madness
Get Baines and Ferguson to help

Simple and sensible

Let's get started tomorrow and prepare for the Arsenal game!

Rob Halligan
199 Posted 25/01/2023 at 23:57:26
Just one more thing on this, we haven't won a game since 22 October, yet amazingly we are not bottom, and even more amazingly, we are only 3 points off 14th place, albeit our goal difference has taken a bit of a nose dive.

So what does this tell you about all those teams around us? They are certainly no better than us if they haven't managed to pull away from us, and leave us totally stranded in the Bottom 3. One lousy win is all it will take to get us going again, and hopefully climb to safety.

Laurie Hartley
200 Posted 26/01/2023 at 00:22:01
Barry # 187 - I think it was after the Wolves defeat that I posted I thought our goose was cooked. However like you I have had a turnaround in my mindset - we are not down until we are down.

We have given ourselves a better chance of staying up this week. Let’s see what the next few days bring.

Danny Baily
201 Posted 26/01/2023 at 07:26:13
Laurie 200,

I think we could have turned it around after Wolves if we'd have sacked Lampard right away. For me it was the Southampton game, that really was the last chance and we blew it.

Looking at the table and the number of points to safety is misleading. We need more wins than there are winnable games remaining. This squad isn't getting anything away from home, and isn't getting anything against a decent side regardless.

Laurie Hartley
202 Posted 26/01/2023 at 07:58:33
Danny # 201 – for me it all depends on three things:-

● The new manager and how the players react to him.
● How many points Wolves, Southampton and Bournemouth acquire compared to us?
● We – (the fans) don't lose the dressing room. We have to be careful on that one.

Regardless – I want a manager that gets our players as fit as a fiddle, and can get the Goodison crowd off its seats.

Kevin Molloy
203 Posted 26/01/2023 at 10:46:00
Sam yes. You could see Lampard's dismissal coming from Mars, he should have gone months ago, and the successor already lined up. I think Moshiri only seriously started thinking about candidates this week. Unforgivable really.
Eric Myles
204 Posted 27/01/2023 at 05:28:38
Fran #165, maybe it's the other way round?

I didn't say that, the interpreter got it wrong.

Svein-Roger Jensen
205 Posted 27/01/2023 at 06:54:21
During his time at Wolves, Nuno Santo often used 3-4-3 formation with a compact shape when defending.
While on possession of the ball, Wolves usually used three defenders at the back, however, when they lost possession the back three swiftly becomes a back five.

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