‘Never again’… Again!

That about sums it up.

Apologies if my article came across as advocating continuation of our recent hire-and-fire policy. It is the exact opposite of what I was trying to say.

I believe we should give Dyche the next 2 or 3 years to try to build on what he has done so far. If he is successful in moving us forward incrementally, then stay with Dyche.

But all well-run businesses have succession planning. Look at Brighton, they lost Potter but had already identified De Zerbi as a natural successor who had a similar playing style to Potter.

This is what I would like to see Everton doing rather than sacking the manager and then looking for the next fall guy.

Dyche improved our results only marginally, not enough to steer us to safety in most seasons. Improvement is a word that might more properly be applied to Forest or Bournemouth or Villa.

He was hired to keep us up and to win promotion if he could not. His primary qualification for that is experience with relegation and promotion campaigns.

He stubbornly refused to give Ellis Simms a consistent run in the side while persevering much of the time with the French Jigsaw Puzzle, Neal Maupay.

As we seem to have limited spending power right now, we will need someone who has experience developing young players and building winning teams. He is not that guy. Over his entire managerial career, Watford, Burnley and Everton, he fails to win about two-thirds of the time. Even Frank Lampard's record is better than that.

Jose Mourinho says clubs have to give managers either money or time. He's right. But you can give Sean Dyche 5 or even 10 years and he will still be a bottom-third-of-the-table manager or worse. I would rather give that time to someone else.

Dyche's points per game since taking over would see us safe every single season as it would take us to 44 points over a full season. The highest ever points total for survival since the Premier League began is 42 points.

That doesn't take into account that he took over a team with 15 points from 21 games. and with zero signings in January. A team with no real striker and no goal scorers and a team that lost 5 players that can play full-back leaving him to have to play midfielders there.

He also lost 7 games since taking over – 6 of those were against the final top 7 sides. He made us competitive and hard to beat against all other teams outside that group.

You talk about Forest's and Bournemouth's improvement in comparison. Well, Dyche took 21 points in 18 games at Everton, Forest managed 17 points in their last 18 games and Bouremouth managed 22.

I think we both agree we need a manager who can build a successful team over a period of seasons with limited resources at least in the short term, using his youth resources and wise recruitment. There is nothing in his 10 years at Burnley that shows he can do that.

They were in the Championship when he took over and relegation bound when he left. What did he build there? What is his legacy there? Seat of the pants survival. It's not seeking miracles to ask for more.

If somebody worms his way into Moshiri's inner circle and suggests that he knows a better way to run a football club, then he is gone.

So things at the top must change before any thought can be given to managers, coaches, DoFs, or even players.

They are my thoughts. I apologize to Russell if he thought I was having a go at him for writing the article.

At Burnley, Dyche had very limited resources and kept them in a fairly steady position. Things changed and he endured a period where a buyout was in the wings so no investment (sounds familiar). He went before they were down (akin to Leicester and Leeds) so could not be blamed, although they had a slow start to the season.

He has not managed a "big" club and not had funds to improve teams. He should be kept on, will be given modest investment, and time will tell if he can develop into what Everton need.

If it's not working after 10 games, then absolutely his position is up for debate. We need to be more ruthless when a managerial situation is irretrievable. It was clear from Boxing Day that Frank Lampard's time was up, yet we persisted with him throughout the transfer window.

10 wins is an absolute minimum next season. We'll know soon enough if we're on track to achieve that target.

As far as the quality of our players is concerned, a good measure is by how many of our players would the usual Big 6 desire? We have only one, that's Pickford, and even then he would have trouble getting in 2 or 3 of those.

Calvert-Lewin and Patterson – if he goes the right way, are borderline but their injury record would rule them out I would say.

If we can't buy the best, we need to start finding players who will develop into class players; others seem able to do it. Easier said than done, I know, but it does seem like an area where we are very poor.

I think up till now I'm catching the drift, would you agree? I will assume you do – let me know otherwise later, if you don't.

Right, my question is: How can we do this, if we don't know that he is going to be here to back and support?

We have a bunch of lunatics running what has become an asylum. So surely you would agree that the proper professionals must be put in place before anyone can be backed.

To me, this sounds like a gambler going out and borrowing a large sum of money, at a huge rate of interest, to back a horse he knows is a non-runner.

We don't know but then again we never know. Hopefully Moshiri has learned that his "Hollywood" manager approach hasn't worked and perhaps "Dull Dyche" might.

Sean has got me looking forward to the new season… it's been a while since I felt like that.

UTFT!

ps: My "In Dyche I Only Trust" IDIOT

I sincerely hope that this club great club, that we both hold great affection for, can once again be returned to its rightful place at the top table. NSNO

You're also right that he might be booted out before the season starts. Hopefully not, as I think he's the best man for the manager's job in the situation we're in. In my view, for once, luck might have turned to us when Sean was picked out of desperation.

I'm not sure what you mean, Neil, with him staying but with serious changes. If you mean playing staff? It's likely that we'll not have a pot to piss in for recruitment.

I hope we can follow the path that Robert Tressell wrote in his article, and that is realising there's not likely to be any massive outlay on players.

Nev isn't impressed by anyone who turns up for pre-season and thinks finishing 8th to 12th is okay. Also, he thinks a fit Calvert-Lewin is the closest we have to a world class player.

He is absolutely correct about Calvert-Lewin and yet there are fans who rate him "Championship at best".

I'm positive for next season with our best players fit and gradual bleeding in of Academy players with a few smart buys. I'd love to see Mina kept on, he was a key factor in keeping us up.

Yes I'm hoping we can keep Mina too. He's a dominant centre half. Tarks is decent but not dominant like Mina is and they seemed to be solid together.

I think anyone that wants Dyche out doesn't understand Everton and that part of the reason for our recent troubles has been the managerial instability.

We've finally found a manager that's made us hard to beat and some want him out??? I honestly believe that some of our fans are part of the problem.

(To be clear, the majority of our fans are INCREDIBLE and have saved the club twice in a row).

We need to some how gain the funds AND comply with FFP to overhaul our offensive options. The rest of the squad has a decent basis albeit maybe 1-2 full backs needed too.

If the owner has any sense, which he clearly has not, he should play it safe until we move into the new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock. A bad run of form and a possible points deduction could see us back into a relegation fight.

Dyche for me, the board out, and the fans to remain motivated to help whatever team puts on the blue shirt.

Enjoy your summer, Blues.

You've posted that anyone who doesn't rate Dyche:
1. Doesn't understand Everton.
2. Is part of the problem.
3. Is not part of the incredible majority who saved this club.

You may not be ranting and swearing at people but that's as poor a post as I'll ever read on here.

A little self-awareness is needed. You might not be the oracle that you seem to think you are. It's possible that others might have a different opinion to you... without being the things you have accused them of.

Whether you're right or wrong on Dyche... you're wrong here.

That is on top of the 𧵊 million gross spending by Forest and 㿃 million gross spending by Bournemouth in the summer.

Our gross spending last summer was ٣.5 million and -㿔 million in the January transfer window.

In that context, Dyche's points haul in his 18 games in charge was really impressive.

Also, it's suggested that many of the fans are divided into those that prefer the 'Dogs of War' style of play and those that go for the 'School of Science' style.

Rather simplistic, but there is some truth in that.

So what do we want to see? What playing style? I'll go for a mix of the two!

The conclusion was the club as a whole, with the support of the fans, perhaps needs to decide what identity the club wants, the overall playing style that we are all happy with, cut the cloth accordingly, and plan a future from there.

Getting back to Brentford, I have some background knowledge of how that club has been run over the years. Their recent 'success' was actually forged in the 1980s and, apart from a few dodgy club management years, has been a very well run club since then. They have evolved and are finally reaping the benefits.

Unfortunately, we are the exact opposite. It'll take time to sort out but I guess our time will come. Football tends to be cyclical.

In the BBC programme, it also mentioned that this season was the highest top-flight goalscoring season since 1967-68 yet we only contributed 34 out of 1,084 goals.

It's obvious that our main issue is getting a few forwards and keeping them fit.

We stayed up last season with Lampard in charge by pure luck in my opinion, it was certainly nothing to do with Frank's tactics – that's for sure. This season, we escaped the drop because we have a proper manager in charge who knows how to get every last drop of effort out of every player and one who adapted his tactics for each match, even with no substitutes on the bench worth bringing on.

Would these ''great'' managers like Guardiola be able to compete with a shite squad and no endless pit of money to delve into? I have my doubts.

If we have no money to spend again, then Dyche is definitely the man for the job. If we do have money to spend, then just maybe Dyche is a good enough manager to play more attractive football with a better quality of player.

Dyche's legacy at Burnley is that he kept them in the Premier League for far longer than their resources should have allowed. They even finished 7th one season.

The revenue that they got in the (unexpected) 7 seasons that Dyche managed to keep them in the Premier League was instrumental in building the foundations for a club that was the strongest in the Championship last season.

When Dyche took over Burnley, they were one of the weakest teams in the Championship, far more likely to go down than up. Since then, they have been primarily a Premier League team who've been relegated twice but jumped straight back up.

Seems an impressive legacy to me!

I had a different take on Dyche's post-match presser. Looked to me like someone who had been working his socks off and holding it together could finally let go.

I also thought he was carefully pitching to keep the job, talking about what needed to be done on and off the pitch with limited budget. He acknowledged our history and support, but rightly said we weren't being run like a big club. He also made the good point that that work needs doing before they bring in a 'fashionista' - we all know that Moshiri is thick enough to think that a 'big name' will sort out all of our problems. He's tried that three times and clearly wanted a fourth go with Bielsa.

I thought I was watching someone who knew he'd nailed his first (only?) task with us, despite having both hands tied behind his back. He wants to keep his job, but only on his terms, and was happy to tell a few hone truths while his stock is high.

We'll soon find out if the board are encouraged/put off by Dyche's honesty and competence. Whatever they think of him, they really ought to take heed of his good sense. As does any potential buyer.

Interestingly, they closed their academy in 2016, opting for a B Team model from which they took cast-offs from other academies to play for them. I've said before, they used to train on the same mud (winter) or daisy filled (summer) pitches as my Hayes & Yeading lads.

They've just reopened the academy as of last year.

A well run club. In my 18 years down here, I've watched them progress from being no one to having a shiny new stadium and comfortable in the top flight of English football.

A good coach as well. I'm surprised there haven't been more rumours about Thomas Frank when big jobs become available. The obsession seemed to be with Potter.

Brentford and Thomas Frank are a fantastic model and example of how to do things right.

It's just amazing all other clubs' Chairmen are ringing Bill!

Today it was announced that Brentford had appointed a lady to be joint coach of their U18s team, the first female coach ever in the English men's game.

As for style of play, any style is acceptable if it leads to winning lots of games, there isn't a perfect style that all fans will accept. I bet there's a few City fans who dislike the way they defend, but so long as City continue win points and trophies they'll accept it.