Reports: Gueye close to making Everton return

01/08/2022 327comments  |  Jump to last

Idrissa Gueye is reportedly heading to Merseyside to undergo medical before signing a contract with Everton that would see him return from Paris Saint-Germain on a permanent deal.

After initially discussing a loan arrangement for the Senegal international, it now appears from the likes of Fabrizio Romano that the Blues have agreed a full transfer for Gueye whom they sold to the Parisian club for £29m three years ago.The 32-year-old is surplus to PSG's requirements and he is now due to finalise personal terms over what will be either a two-year or three-year deal should he come through with no medical complications.


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Frank Crewe
1 Posted 01/08/2022 at
"The proof of the pudding is in the eating," as they say. If he turns out to be another Gareth Barry, then he will be a great signing. All we can do is wait and see.
Jay Harris
2 Posted 01/08/2022 at
Great news.

Even though he is older, he is still better than anyone else we have been associated with and his experience in the middle of the park is just what we need.

He has been up against some of Europe's best players in the last few years and has not been found wanting.

Go Gana.

Gavin Johnson
3 Posted 01/08/2022 at
Let's hope the deal is a 2-year contract. Gana is 33 later this year.
Will Mabon
4 Posted 01/08/2022 at
Since he so wanted to leave, I wondered what it is that's made him want to return?
Phil Malone Jnr
5 Posted 01/08/2022 at
How bad is our scouting network!?
Pat Kelly
6 Posted 01/08/2022 at
Hope he still has it if we're giving him a multi-year deal. Great if he has. PSG mustn't think so.
Lee Courtliff
7 Posted 01/08/2022 at
The thing is, I thought we needed a purely defensive midfielder to sit in front of the defence. Like Delph did to great effect in a few games last season. I remember Gana being the ball winner who could cover every blade of grass and win the ball back high up the pitch.

If his legs suddenly 'go' then he won't be able to do this and I'm not sure if he has the discipline or nouse to become a sitting CDM? And his passing range was never brilliant, either.

But even so, I make a point of being positive rather than negative so let's hope its another Gareth Barry coup and its not massive wages. Only 5 days to go and we've made a few signings, we're at home and we're the underdogs...suits us perfectly! COYB

Jeff Armstrong
8 Posted 01/08/2022 at
Cannot understand the negativity, we finished 5th from bottom last year, and people are not happy that we're still able to attract a league winner from PSG!

A proven player who was an integral part of a team that included Lionel Messi, Neymar and Kylian Fucking Mbappe...... Unbelievable, Jeff.

P Ron Wells
9 Posted 01/08/2022 at
A class act. The fact that he stood up to the woketards at PSG shows he is a man of conviction and courage. Type of player we need.
Dan Nulty
15 Posted 01/08/2022 at
Couldn't care less how old he is. Players go on for much longer these days so if we get a good couple of years from him then it is wages well spent.

The main thing is, is he better than what he have? Yes. Get him signed on the cheap, improves our starting 11. Sensible signing as 2 ball winners means we can probably fit Alli in the side much better, trusting he wants to play at his best again.

Yes, we need to pick up good youngsters when we can but the ultimate issue is avoiding relegation in the short term.

Habib Erkan Jr
16 Posted 01/08/2022 at
Welcome back, Gana, hope you can pick up where you left off.
Nick Page
17 Posted 01/08/2022 at
Phil @5,

Our scouting network is so fucking bad it's taken us 3 years to replace Gueye… with Gueye.

Andy Crooks
19 Posted 01/08/2022 at
Ron, a man of courage? Really? A class act? I suppose courage and conviction are relative, class a matter of opinion. Jeff @ 8, I am open minded about this deal but the fact that we attracted this league winner is not, to me, any great endorsement of him.
Andy Crooks
20 Posted 01/08/2022 at
Ron, a man of courage? Really? A class act? I suppose courage and conviction are relative, class a matter of opinion.

Jeff @ 8, I am open-minded about this deal but the fact that we attracted this league winner is not, to me, any great endorsement of him.

Tony Abrahams
21 Posted 01/08/2022 at
I watched him play in a few high-profile Champions League games for PSG, and was actually surprised at how good he played in that company, he was arguably as good as any other player on the pitch in a few of these games.

I thought he definitely played his best football in the very latter stages of his Everton career. If he's here just to sit and cover our marauding fullbacks, then maybe another part of Lampard's system might now be in place.

Ray Robinson
22 Posted 01/08/2022 at
Andy King, Kendall, Unsworth, Ferguson, Pienaar, Rooney and others have all returned at some point but how many were as good second time around?

I still think Gueye can do a job but I'd rather have a younger version.

Definitely a no to Barkley's return. We can't gamble on another player regaining his mojo when we're already taking a risk on Alli doing so.

Brian Murray
23 Posted 01/08/2022 at
Says a lot about our scouting but, in defence of Thelwell, he hasn't used the European potential of £10M players... whether that is proved right or wrong, we are about to find out.

As for Gana, it's a no-brainer especially compared to Allan etc. I would hope in the future, or even the coming days and weeks before the window shuts, that he does recognise an unknown gem though.

Winston Williamson
24 Posted 01/08/2022 at
I too wonder about our scouting, however, another aspect about transfers is player availability and willingness to join.

For example, we identify player x. He’s 22, plays midfield and currently plays for a middling European team. We make an enquiry. His club are prepared to sell. Player x says, Everton? That team that just avoided relegation? Whose fans are protesting about the current owners? Neighbours to one of the most successful clubs in recent years? Up north, no where near London?

Then Gana becomes available, and is willing to sign.

Our scouting looks poor, but not really, as the player originally identified isn’t interested.

We can’t just throw massive wages as a temptation. That’s one of the reasons we’re financially screwed.

If Gana is the best we can get, I’m all for it as I’m sick of the current lot in midfielders.

Tony Everan
25 Posted 01/08/2022 at
Gana is a natural athlete, there is definitely 2 years top level left in the tank. What hasn't t been mentioned is the player's attitude. PSG wanted him in the summer and winter windows and we turned them down.

Gana didn't down tools and let his form drop, he was professional to a tee for us during that period, playing some great matches, with the best stats in the league for tackling and interceptions. To me this professional, selfless attitude sets him apart from the rank and file and I'm delighted he's back.

It wouldn't surprise me now to see Allan sold (Sarri's Lazio) so we are neutral financially on this deal. Then, Gomes and Gbamin will be sold or loaned whatever the deal to the highest bidder. Then we will sign a DCM, an experienced quality player like Guido Rodriguez if we can, maybe an alternative. If not, it will be Billy Gilmour on a loan-to-buy deal.

Chris Leyland
28 Posted 01/08/2022 at
Picking up in Ray's messges, we must be the club that re-signs most former players:

David Johnson

Manager: Kendall

David West
29 Posted 01/08/2022 at
I like that this is happening. It's fine building a team of young hungry players which it looks like Frank wants. But all the best teams always had a couple of experienced heads. Balance to a team means a lot. I think Gana and Tarkowski could be shrewd.

Tony @25, I agree, the lad's fit as a fiddle. Naturally though not like Rooney or Gazza who always needed to work at it.

I think he could come and have an impact on freeing up the 1 or 2 other midfielders to get further forward.

Good business in my eyes

Mike Gwyer
30 Posted 01/08/2022 at

Winston #24,

I think you're being a bit harsh. As you stated our scouts identify a good talent playing in the UK, Europe or Worldwide.

The one point you have missed is that these players have agents and, once the agents are aware that Everton are interested, then that information is put out there for all to see, and the likes of Spurs, Newcastle and a host of other Premier League clubs suddenly take an interest as well... and with our money issues the other clubs are very soon in the driving seat.

Everton are a big club and seriously big enough to tell players - "We want you please hang in there whilst we sort out a deal with your present club". Hence why the Cornet deal is hanging in there; Everton want Cornet, Cornet wants to come to Goodison but we have to agree a deal with Burnley. Lots of clubs want him but Cornet wants to come to Goodison.

So let's see who we sign and who we sell but let's not belittle this great club.

Dave Williams
31 Posted 01/08/2022 at
People need to fully realise that we are in no position to attract younger star players. They don’t want us and we can’t afford them. Gueye is very low risk and should settle quickly providing cover for the defence and the likes of Warrington will learn from him.
He is a stop gap until things improve and hopefully will do a Gareth Barry.
Good move for me!
Ray Robinson
32 Posted 01/08/2022 at
Chris #28, I knew that the list was long, but wow!

Reflects the over-sentimentality of the club, particularly of the current Chairman. I’d argue that only Unsworth and Donovan were as good second time around. I hope Gueye proves to be another exception.

Danny O’Neill
33 Posted 01/08/2022 at
If it happens, as it seems it will, I think this could turn out to be a good signing for us.

We've had a gap in this area of the pitch for a few seasons now and have to be realistic as to who we can get.

With what we have on paper, there is a good blend of experience and youth.

Winston Williamson
34 Posted 01/08/2022 at
Mike 30…I'm not intentionally belittling Everton. So I apologise if it came across that way. My point is that players from foreign teams will not look at Everton in the same way as us fans, or maybe even players with Premier League experience.

We're not exactly shown in a good light in the media.

I agree wholeheartedly about agents.

Geoff Lambert
35 Posted 01/08/2022 at
Surely there must be a 19-year-old superstar in the making hanging about somewhere in the lower world leagues – just waiting for Everton to come and get him for peanuts. And we go for a PSG reject who can't be guaranteed a place in the most expensive team ever put together. For fuck's sake... don't you play FIFA 2022?
David West
36 Posted 01/08/2022 at
Geoff 35, I hope that is said tongue firmly in cheek.

1. Every club in Europe is scouting for that 19-year-old player you speak of. To think that there's some superstar that hasn't been spotted yet and we can just swan in and get them for "peanuts" – that is dreamland, mate.

2. It's no shame not to be able to get in that PSG team, a lot of the bigger name, more expensive players we've been linked with wouldn't get near their training ground, nevermind the team!

Gana's been there, played a major part, got more experience and will come back a better player imo. Ready to slot right in. For a lot less than some unproven prospect.

Clive Rogers
37 Posted 01/08/2022 at
I find this disappointing and was expecting better from Thelwell. I'll be surprised if he can still cope with the pace of the Premier League at 33 next month. He has never been in the same class as Gareth Barry.
Mike Gaynes
38 Posted 01/08/2022 at
Will #4, he left to realize his dream of playing Champions League and winning trophies, but as he wrote in his classy farewell, he loved Everton:

As you know I am about to start a new journey, a journey that I have dreamed about since a kid and when this opportunity presented itself I couldn't turn it down. To my teammates and coaches I will miss you and will continue to support you. Everton. we are family and will continue to be and for me Merseyside will always be BLUE #COYB.
Love, Idrissa Gana Gueye

Dream realized, now he comes home.

Frank Sheppard
39 Posted 01/08/2022 at
If he is 3/4s of the player he was when he left, then he is our best midfielder.

Welcome back (hopefully).

Geoff Lambert
40 Posted 01/08/2022 at
David #36,

You got it, sir.

Geoff Lambert
41 Posted 01/08/2022 at
David #36 You got it sir.
Bill Gall
42 Posted 01/08/2022 at
I agree with Winston #24 on the transfers of players.

It does not matter what the clubs decide whether you are trying to sell or buy, it all depends on the player in what he wants. It may be that he does not want to go to the club that asked about him, can't agree with the contract he has been offered, or as he is older, believes he can earn more staying on the contract he already has with his present club, until it is time for a new contract. We have deadwood that can prove that.

We have a number of promising young players coming through the system and what they need is an older experienced professional to set an example of playing against different formations. Gueye is an example for this and, to me, if you are good enough the age is not a problem.

There are younger quality players out there but, if they are like most of them, they want to join a successful club for trophies and recognition, at the moment, going on Everton's last 5 seasons and the signs of next season it will not be with Everton.

The question with Gueye as a defensive midfielder is he better than what we have? Or are what we have good enough.
Trying to rebuild a struggling club with limited finances to me is hard enough and to try bringing in younger players who may not fit will make it worse. Most clubs bring younger players into a settled team; Everton are not at the moment a settled team.

Dave Abrahams
43 Posted 01/08/2022 at
I think, at the moment, Everton are in the position of “Beggars can't be choosers” due to the FFP situation but little apples will grow again and we are improving, little by little, the squad with these players coming in.

Get another striker and see how we go.

Ciarán McGlone
44 Posted 01/08/2022 at
Head and shoulders above anyone else we have in that role.

Understandable comments about our lack of scouting but this is one I'll happily accept back.

Michael Burke
45 Posted 01/08/2022 at
What is the obsession with age and pace? We are not in the '80s or '90s anymore. Players are not out on the lash all the time like they used to be. They actually recover after training and games to stave off injury etc.

Why would his legs suddenly go as he hits 33? He's been mixing it in the Champions League for the last 3 years and done just fine. His game IQ will have improved which is most important in his position. This will make him an even better player than the one that left.

Rob Dolby
48 Posted 01/08/2022 at
Very impressive Chris 28. I could only recall half a dozen.

I agree, I am not a fan of bringing old players back. Looking at Chris's list @28, how many of those where better 2nd time around?

Regardless, it looks like it's going to happen and he will have my full support. He does the dirty work and generally will improve those around him. It wouldn't have surprised me if Man City had signed him as I think he would do a great job there.

It will be interesting to see what formation Lampard settles on. I did like Alli playing the False 9 last week when Calvert-Lewin went off. Pack the midfield and get the ball back quickly.

We have Gordon, Gray, McNeil, Iwobi, Allan, Doucouré, Alli and Gueye battling it out for 3, 4 or 5 spots.

Joe McMahon
49 Posted 01/08/2022 at
I agree with Clive, he is 33 and not for the future, and he is no Gareth Barry. Dissapointed in Thelwell, we don't want any more ex players coming back including Ross (they will all be older). The one I really want is Cornet, but we are going to lose out on him also. Very pleased with Dwight McNeil, but we desperately need more goals.

Sick of every season a dreadful goal difference while our neighbours score for fun. Even Moyes much celebrated 4th finish all them years ago with 1 - 0's we finished with -1. Bar Humbug!

Joe McMahon
51 Posted 01/08/2022 at
I agree with Clive, he is 33 and not for the future, and he is no Gareth Barry.

Dissapointed in Thelwell, we don't want any more ex-players coming back, including Ross (they will all be older). The one I really want is Cornet, but we are going to lose out on him also. Very pleased with Dwight McNeil, but we desperately need more goals.

Sick of every season a dreadful goal difference while our neighbours score for fun. Even Moyes's much celebrated 4th finish all them years ago with 1-0 wins, we finished with -1. Bar Humbug!

Mike Gaynes
52 Posted 01/08/2022 at
"I’ll be surprised if he can still cope with the pace of the PL..."

Well, he certainly coped with the pace of the fastest and most dangerous player in the PL four months ago.

He shut down Salah completely in the biggest game either one has ever played, to determine which would go to the World Cup. Marked him off the pitch. Salah barely got a touch and never got a shot away.

Gana will start in the WC in November, likely the only Blue besides Picks to do so. Salah will be on his sofa watching.

David #36, well said.

Brian Wilkinson
53 Posted 01/08/2022 at
Seems a no brainer for me, does he improve the team, yes.

Is it an area we were lacking in strength, again yes.

Up to now I think we have done well with the players we have brought in.

If he still anywhere near as good as the player he was first time around, I think he will be another sound addition to our squad, should he sign.

I honestly think we will not land any of the Chelsea players, ie Gilmour, Batshuayi, until Chelsea have got the first match against us out of the way.

One last thing,plenty of names banded about, of former players returning to Everton, yet no mention of Gravesen in the lists.

John Keating
54 Posted 01/08/2022 at
Reports 8 million on the never never
We paid 8million up front for Delph and he played half a dozen games!
Age had nowt to do with anything
If Ronaldo or that Polish guy who’s 76 and just left Bayern signed on for 8 mill on tick joined would you be moaning???
Get a grip!
Anthony Dove
55 Posted 01/08/2022 at
33 in September. We’ll probably give him a five year contract. It’s signings like this that make me realise what a financial mess the Club is in.
Alan Corken
56 Posted 01/08/2022 at
I like Gana and think he still has something to offer, but I'm minded to ask why oh why are we always signing defensive midfielders? We need ball players in the middle, people who can create chances. And while I'm on it, how many bloody wingers do we need? Hasn't anyone at the club noticed that our main problem is scoring goals? And that our main striker DCL is in fact a bit shit?
Ian Riley
57 Posted 01/08/2022 at
The squad has more quality than a week ago.

You can't please everyone but I feel more confident mid table is probable.

Welcome home!

Ian Riley
58 Posted 01/08/2022 at
The squad has more quality than a week ago.

You can't please everyone but I feel more confident mid table is probable.

Welcome home!

Paul Hewitt
59 Posted 01/08/2022 at
Chelsea have just paid over 30 million for a 32 year old and given him a 4 year contract. They don't some worried about age.
Paul Jones
60 Posted 01/08/2022 at
If the job is advertised again for DOF at Everton then I would like to apply for it.

I know practically nothing about promising young players on the continent or closer to home, and I don't mind being sidelined by board members who insist on bringing back their faves (as long I still get paid).

So it would appear that I am qualified to do whatever Thelwell is doing. Oh, and I'll do it for half his wages too.

Eddie Dunn
61 Posted 01/08/2022 at
All the talk about age is nonesense. Today's athletes go one for much longer than in the 80's for example.
The health the nutrition and conditioning means guys can continue for much longer.
32 is the new 29 !
Paul Kossoff
62 Posted 01/08/2022 at
Anyone heard of this madness?
Everton F.C. of the English Premier League is offering 3D wearables for its expansive fanbase, in concert with the digital sports fashion company Fancurve.

The new partnership will allow Everton supporters to dress their avatars in licensed, non-replica Blues attire specifically designed by Fancurve for the metaverse. Fancurve creates its digital wearables through blockchain technology, resulting in virtual 2D and 3D “photo-realistic garments’’ that can be utilized as fashion plates, character skins or in-game assets.
Maybe Bill can get some digital world class players.

Will Mabon
63 Posted 01/08/2022 at
Mike @ 38:

I admire your stance of absolute maximum optimism in Gueye's mindset.

At the time of his signing, re-elevating him from Championship football, and during his playing, I do believe we were a team with a recent new owner, some money, and stated ambitions to improve our level, with a new stadium announced.

Gueye didn't want to wait around. We must hope his trophy ambitions are now satiated, and that his next dream is coming to help a team that just avoided relegation and is much less likely to win anything.

"Home". OK.

Tony Everan
64 Posted 01/08/2022 at
Mike 30, Joe 49, and other posts referring to young players who WANT (or don’t want) to come to Everton. I think this point about Cornet is very important. He’s 25, wants to play for us, scores goals in his first six months in the league, and that was in a poor and defensive team.

As to where he would fit in to the system I haven’t got a clue. Joe, you know Burnley, what do you think? Do you think he could play as a second forward behind DCL ? In a 4411 formation?

Brian Wilkinson
65 Posted 01/08/2022 at
With high hope of Warrington, Gueye will more than fill the gap for at least a couple of seasons, by then we might just have a youngster ready to step in, instead of rushing him through the first team.

I have high hopes of Stanley Mills as well, I really think he is the pick of the bunch of our youngsters and looking forward to him eventually playing regular, for the first team. Would not be suprised if in a season or so, if Everton fail to keep hold of Gordon, or he refuses to sign a further contract extension, Mills will come in to fill his place, before anyone calls me mad, yes I want Gordon in an Everton shirt, his energy and play is a breath of fresh air, however if he gets itchy feet, it will be out of our hands.

Steve Shave
66 Posted 01/08/2022 at
Batshuayi links not going away and seem to be gathering traction, Talksport say it's on. I am concerned by this link, this could mean a number of things a) Batshuayi comes in as cover, upgrade on Rondon who we can ship out. This may mean Broja isn't coming or b) Bats coming in along with Broja on a permanent and DCL going to Newcastle.

Tommy Carter
67 Posted 01/08/2022 at
Gana is a vastly superior player to Allan. He’s also only a year older.

If we can bring Gana in for free or on a loan deal and sell Allan for a many kind of fee then that is very astute business.

A defensive specialist midfield player like Gana will improve our starting XI immediately. If we get a decent season out of him with a view to replacing him in 12-18 months time with someone of promise in that position then that seems like a plan that makes much sense to me.

Derek Knox
68 Posted 01/08/2022 at
I wouldn't normally welcome any player coming back, as history, as many have said, has proved several times, to be not as good in the second chance saloon, I would also question the motive. Is it from a genuine desire he wants to play for us, or is this another easy pre-retirement option at comfy old Everton ?

However donning a tin hat, and biting my bottom lip, I do think this guy is an exception to the rule, and like Gareth Barry has that class that defies age, and any lack of speed is adequately compensated by experience and doing the right thing on the pitch.

Again, I can understand why he went to PSG. It is, or recently has become, one of those Clubs like Real Madrid and Barcelona, that many players regard as being the pinnacle of their career, and possibly an accolade that they would be interested in signing him. However all these Clubs are equally ready to discard a player once a new system or Manager comes along.

Therefore, summing up I will welcome him back, and as many have said, he is head and shoulders (not physically) above anyone we have in midfield. Incidentally, another player I would have no qualms about him coming back is Geri Deulofeu, he is more experienced now, has that bit of magic, and understands what Blues Fans want as I hope Gana does too !

Brian Wilkinson
69 Posted 01/08/2022 at
Batshuayi will be cover alongside Calvert-Lewin I reckon Steve, Forget Broja not a chance of that happening.

Think we are looking at an option for cover in attack and I think Batshuayi would be a terrific signing.

Still think though he will come in after we have played Chelsea though.

Clive Rogers
70 Posted 01/08/2022 at
I remember all the debate about age not being an issue when we signed Allen. He played well for about the first 6 games, got an injury and hasn’t been the same since and gradually deteriorated further. He was 29 when we signed him and we are getting rid of him, if we can at 31.
Bernie Quinn
71 Posted 01/08/2022 at
Very pleased to see you coming home Gana. There is a big improvement in the Team right now compared to what Frank inherited in January. He and Kevin know what they want - and in Frank, I trust
Bernie Quinn
72 Posted 01/08/2022 at
Very pleased to see you coming home Gana. There is a big improvement in the Team right now compared to what Frank inherited in January. He and Kevin know what they want - and in Frank, I trust
Terry Farrell
73 Posted 01/08/2022 at
No to Ross and Batshauyi both not good enough and don't work hard enough on the pitch. Ross has regressed badly and us injury prone also.
Clive Rogers
74 Posted 01/08/2022 at
Brian, 69, Batshuayi hasn’t played a game for Chelsea for 4 1/2 years. Don’t think they’ll be too worried about him playing for us against them.
Derek Knox
75 Posted 01/08/2022 at
Hi Brian W @ 69, and everyone, excuse my lack of knowledge but what has happened to Cornet? I was under the impression that an agreement was in place and it was just a matter of time, before he joined us.

Batshuayi is a player to me, very much like Barkley, in that he creates a massive impression with a few goals, and performances after arrival. Then once his boots are a fixture in the Dressing Room he tapers off and doesn't seem to cut the mustard from then on in!

Maxwell Cornet, on the other hand, has more versatility, and possibly something to prove to the Premier League that not all players who have been in a relegated team aren't good enough.

Richard Lyons
76 Posted 01/08/2022 at
Ah, so at last the "Gana money" from 3 years ago is about to be spent...
Andrew Keatley
77 Posted 01/08/2022 at
Might not be the sort of signing that gets fans salivating about future trophies, but I really believe he might end up being the player that gives us the platform to be competitive again.

Our midfield last season was so weak, so lacking in guile and bite, and with Gana on the pitch I doubt we'll be anything like so over-run and outmanoeuvred. He won't dictate proceedings and he won't grab the game by the scruff of the neck, but he'll cover the ground in midfield better than anyone else we have and free up the other midfielders and full-backs/wingbacks to stay further up the pitch.

I really hope we are welcoming back Gana. The additions of Tarkowski, McNeil, Vinagre, and Gana all make sense to me - particularly for the combined outlay. They might not be the hot, young, breaking talents that fans on here seem to obsessed by, but I think the transfer business thus far is ticking a lot of boxes for me.

Duncan McDine
78 Posted 01/08/2022 at
Give him the rainbow armband, he’ll be out and proud to lead the pride of Merseyside. Welcome back Idrissa Gay - I mean Gueye. 💙
Andy Crooks
79 Posted 01/08/2022 at
Mike @52 and Will @ 63, two cracking posts showing what this site is about, good exchange of views. I just don't feel too enthused,Mike. I just feel we have walked this walk before, getting the remnants of fulfilled ambition.
Jamie Sweet
80 Posted 01/08/2022 at
I've been watching some highlights of Gueye in a PSG shirt, and I can confirm there is no sign of the "old boy" slowing down yet.

As tenacious, energetic and positionally aware as ever.

I'm way more confident of us staying out of a relegation scrap this season with him patrolling our midfield than I am without him. Get it done I say.

Tommy Carter
81 Posted 01/08/2022 at
Looks like Brentford are about to do a deal for Mikkel Damsgaard for around £15m.

A player I have extolled the virtues of on here many times. This player will be a star.

We should seriously attempt to hijack that deal. Particularly if a similar fee is earmarked for the signing of Cornet.

I imagine we could even attempt to offload the likes of Allan or Andre Gomes to them to offset any fee.

Fran Mitchell
82 Posted 01/08/2022 at
Gana was a level above everyone we had before, and only after he had been sold did some people realise what a player he had been.

Whenever I watched him play for PSG in the Champion's League, I thought he looked right at place. His passing and distribution all good enough, while his main duties of being the presser (in a team with 3 superstar attackers who do not press) he did very well. He was not a guaranteed starter, PSG have numerous multi-million £ midfielders, but he was an important player in their squad.

For us, he will bring much needed presence in the middle. Since he left teams have too easily just waltzed through the middle with little to no disruption.

Doucoure isn't a centre mid, and even if he can occasionally use his power to track and disrupt, he usually undoes such work when he woefully gifts the ball back to the opposition.

Allan is a ball hunter, but he is not on the level of Gana, and also feel Allan suits being further up the field. I would not see him as a defensive midfielder, but a 'presser'. I feel he could have a good partnership with Gana, as 2 midfield disrupters.

Davies, Gomes, and GBamin are just not good enough even for the bench.

I expect Gana will be less energetic now, but an so maybe he will sit more, which is exactly what we need. If he continues as the chaser of before, then we will still need someone who is more positionally disciplined - but also who has pace, power, distribution, to make our midfield fit for the Premier League.

Brian Wilkinson
83 Posted 01/08/2022 at
Hi Derek, I think the problem with Cornet is Burnley want the full amount in one go, they will only agree to staggered payments if Everton agree to £25 Million in staggered payments, that seems to be the stumbling block.

Batshuayi however would more than likely be a much lower fee and possibly staggered payments as well, I think that’s the Avenue Everton will go down.

I think Had Calvert-Lewin been sold, we would have brought in Broja, but with Calvert-Lewin staying, for me he will bring in Batshuayi, I could be completely wrong, but that’s my assumption of things.

Must admit I do like Batshuayi, as you probably already know, with me bending your ears Derek at our pub meet ups in the past, a big fat yes from me for Batshuayi.

Hopefully will get to see you soon, along with Jim, Bill, Steve, Danny, Dave and some of the other ToffeeWebbers.

Christy Ring
86 Posted 01/08/2022 at
He's 3 years older and left us after signing a new contract, apart from the rainbow emblem, going backwards.

ToffeeWeb the stream is embarrassing, keep trying and trying???

Jerome Shields
87 Posted 01/08/2022 at
Gueye is a good professional footballer. He will prevent Everton's midfield being walked through and playing for PSG will have increased his awareness and skill level.

As far as attitude is concerned, he will be on the ball. Remember he was going to PSG from January in his last season with Everton and put a highly professional performance in till the end of the season.

As for his fitness, I don't think there is any doubt and injury-wise he knows how to tackle to avoid it.

Brian Murray
88 Posted 01/08/2022 at
Tommy @81.

Besides the media usual suspects we go for, our scouts seem to get a nosebleed past the Rocket on Queens Drive.

Hope you're right as there's still time but that type of signing, it looks like not our strategy, for now anyway.,

Danny O’Neill
89 Posted 01/08/2022 at
See you there Brian. I'll try to keep the away fans I tend to attract out of the equation, but can't wait.

Forever. Just Forever. I can't wait.

Will Mabon
90 Posted 01/08/2022 at
Andy @ 79:

Considering Chris's list @ 28, the probability says it's touch and go whether it works out.

Gueye was a great team member first time around though not without faults. If he's as he was, it will improve us and give us further options. The motivation and enthusiasm is the question. Fingers crossed!

Will Mabon
91 Posted 01/08/2022 at
Christy, it should be okay by later in the week, when the new server connection is up and running.
Andy Crooks
92 Posted 01/08/2022 at
Fran @82,

I can recall teams waltzing through the middle while Gana actually was meant to be there. Like you, I expect that Gana will be "less energetic now", however, you contrive to make this a positive. I think he is better than we have on a very short term basis. As a signing he fits where we are now, he'll do.

It might be right out of order but I find it hard to believe that such so many utterly limited footballers are earning fortunes and being called, number tens, water carriers etc.

Back in the day they were the last picked in a kickabout. Dull.

Colin Glassar
93 Posted 01/08/2022 at
I saw Gana during the Afcon and thought he was ace. Despite his years and height, he's still head and shoulders above Davies, Gbamin and Gomes.
Chris Jones [NZ]
94 Posted 01/08/2022 at
While it's not a transfer to get excited about, he fills a critical gap and, if he can constrain his wandering tendencies, can do a job in front of the defence. It'll also allow us to either develop a youngster or bring in someone more long-term when we have the financial flexibility to do so.

I must admit that the portrayal of his apparent homophobia left me bloody uncomfortable (oh go on, call me 'woke' and then run away to the other end of the playground). Sometimes, there's a wider perspective though – I'd really suggest reading this piece by a Senegalese rights activist

Gay activist defends Muslim player who shunned rainbow uniform

So, it's a 'yes' from me

Bill Watson
95 Posted 01/08/2022 at

I agree 100% with Gueye. He'll walk into our midfield and enable the likes of Dele Alli to get forward more. Not too sure about Geri, though. He flatters to deceive and tends to disappear from games. We already have plenty of those.

Regarding Cornet; an insider tells me Everton and Burnley had agreed terms and the player's representatives also agreed personal terms. The sticking point was the squad number. Apparently, Cornet insisted on the 99 shirt.

I'll get my coat!

Tom Bowers
96 Posted 01/08/2022 at
I am not overly excited about his return and, like most others, doubt that the signings so far will have much impact in changing Everton's fortunes over last season.

They have not been able to offload the dross they had and, with money being tight, I suppose we couldn't expect a class replacement for Richarlison being affordable.

We have a lot of competition for the midfield but, no matter which way Frank shuffles the pack, it's hard to see Everton being much of a threat going forward.

McNeil might be the bright spark but I think it will be a season of consolidation to maintain some respectability after the near calamity of last season.

It goes without saying that the rich clubs will dominate the Top 6 or Top 7 spots again and the rest will just pick up the scraps. The first game against Chelsea will be especially tough as they have made some strong additions.

We can only hope some big investor makes a serious bid to take over.

Derek Knox
97 Posted 01/08/2022 at
Bill W @ 95,

"Cornet insisted on the 99 shirt."

A bit Flakey there Bill, you deserve Crushed Nuts, for your Raspberry Saucy comment! 🤔😜

Brian Murray
98 Posted 01/08/2022 at
Bill @95,

A bit pricey for Cornet – we may need a whip round... but how dairy say that!

Colin Glassar
100 Posted 01/08/2022 at
Just one cornetto will make us far more tasty upfront.
Phil Malone Jnr
101 Posted 01/08/2022 at
Nick #17 - Exactly mate.
Simon Dalzell
102 Posted 01/08/2022 at
The Cornet situation is really frustrating. He has agreed terms, and Burnley s demands seem reasonable. Stop pissing about and get it done!
Brian Murray
103 Posted 01/08/2022 at
Shame Gueye doesn't like rainbows. Bungle n Jeffrey will be disappointed.
Brian Murray
104 Posted 01/08/2022 at
If there's one thing Frank knows about, it's a midfield. Same with Cole and the full-backs.
Colin Wordsworth
105 Posted 01/08/2022 at
When Gueye left us for PSG, most people on here thought it was a good sale as he had struggled in his final season. I remember Watford and Doucoure running rings around him at Goodison, although we fluked a draw.

He is 33 years old in September, the Premier League is arguably faster, I feel that this is a waste of precious transfer money.

It's not a no-brainer, he's nowhere near the quality, stature and strength of Gareth Barry who didn't have to readjust to a new league. An expensive risk.

Mike Gaynes
106 Posted 01/08/2022 at
Andy #79, no question you're right about our history with this kind of transaction. I just don't think that kind of history is as relevant as the history of the player, especially recently.

Will #63, I don't think Gana is hurting for work. From PSG he could go to lots of clubs in lots of leagues and make lots of money. He is choosing to come back to Everton. I think that's a significant statement.

Simon #102, Burnley reportedly wants us to pay an extra £7.5 million for Cornet for the privilege of spreading out the fee. I find that highly unreasonable and I thoroughly endorse Thelwell's decision to piss them about for weeks if necessary. If Cornet truly wants to come to us, it'll get done before the window closes. We don't need him for Saturday.

Ed Prytherch
107 Posted 02/08/2022 at
It is 40 years since I left England so it took me a minute or so to twig the 99 joke but it's a good one.
Joe Corgan
108 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Colin #105 - You either have a highly selective memory or are just making things up to suit your argument.

Gueye’s last season at Everton was easily his best. His tenacious tackling and positional sense was finally augmented by his ability to pick a forward pass. He was so good that one of the European giants decided to come in for him.

Despite your assertions to the contrary, I see barely a comment suggesting he wouldn’t be missed: Gueye sold to PSG (2019).

Soren Moyer
113 Posted 02/08/2022 at
For those who think it's the best we can do – as a club which almost got relegated – I suggest to have a look at Brighton and how they find the likes of Bissouma and Cucurella and Troussard and that Ecuadorian lad whose name has escaped my mind!

It's certainly doable but you need to do proper scouting – not like ours who are doing theirs by watching YouTube highlights or asking Billy Bullshitter who he wants back at the club most!

Andrew Keatley
114 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Soren - Umm... actually it is you and your fellow amateur internet scouts who rely on YouTube and inherited opinion for your list of fantasy transfer targets. You watch a few edited highlights and think that's enough to form an opinion as to whether they are worth spending millions of pounds on.

It's pure simulation. There are no consequences for the fantasy decisions you make, whereas those with the power to make actual decisions must do so with the sort of care and attention that you wouldn't recognise unless it had an eight-minute highlight reel edited by someone called Total Football Superstars Of Tomorrow.

We have made horrible mistakes in the transfer market. Every club has. We've made more than most over the last 7 years. But the idea that anyone who comments on this website and essentially has a part-time interest in football could somehow do a better job than the people whose actual full-time job is covering thousands of players in a meaningful manner - rather than just the few who are raised above the parapet by few prolific posters on Twitter that you follow – well it's just self-inflated nonsense and is the biggest red herring on this site.

Brian Wilkinson
115 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Just a little pointless info, but might be a twilight zone moment. :-)

If Gueye signs today, it will be the second time Gueye signed for Everton, on 2 August, after signing from Villa back in 2016, on the very same day: 2 August.

Mike Corcoran
116 Posted 02/08/2022 at
He was my favourite player for those 3 seasons, he kicked on at PSG and became even better. Absolutely stands high and apart from any CM we have on the books.

I hope this transfer happens. How bizarre that the only way we could actually replace him is by bringing him back. Proper soldier now with added nous.

Lester Yip
117 Posted 02/08/2022 at
To some degree, I think the club is smarter in their dealings.

If you look at Liverpool, they bought Jota last season expecting that one of the strikers would go. Jota bedded in nicely. So Mane can go this season. Now they got Nunez first, preparing Salah to leave next season.

In similar way, we brought in Tarkowski, will let go of Keane or Mina or Holgate. We got McNeil, preparing Gordon to move next season if a massive bid comes in. We might bring in Cornet or Batshuayi, preparing Calvert-Lewin to leave next season. Getting in Gueye and perhaps Gilmour, preparing for Allan and Duke to leave if offers come in.

Yes, we might note able to keep our best players because of financial strains. But at least the club seems to be smarter and have some plan instead of throwing money away.

Mike Gaynes
118 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Brian #115, wow, that's chilling. It's also Peter O'Toole's birthday and the 146th anniversary of the day Wild Bill Hickock was shot in Deadwood while holding aces and eights. And Gana is a midfield Ace who wore #8 at Villa. You couldn't make it up.

Okay, I gotta ask. Somebody explain the 99 joke to the Yank.

Christine Foster
119 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Chris Jones @94, that's a good link, and a different perspective that is worth considering certainly.

Of course it's also worth saying he cannot confirm or deny it's the case as to do so places his family back home in jeopardy. I guess like most things, the answers are rarely black or white.

Nicolas Piñon
120 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Sounds like a very good piece of business for me.

If we do get Cornet (never saw him play) or Batshuiy, I'd be happy with the window really. More if we offload the evident surplus players.

Still I would like to know what is Lampard's main system? If it's a 5-3-2 or something else. But anyway it's important we finally add these two players because the new five-sub rule means strength in depth will prove as important as ever this season, I believe.

Two reliable players per position could be ideal.


Bernie Quinn
121 Posted 02/08/2022 at
I wuz sipping my Irish in my chair, thinking Everton (as is my wont), when I realised in seconds that I could think of 18 names of players already assembled in our squad, who I would be happy to see permutated into our first team 11. I will not mention names except to say they do not include Keane, Holgate, or Rondon.

To be honest, I can't believe we will beat Chelsea this weekend but, as rumour says that Frank still has his hat in the ring for more signings, I am confident now that we will finish around 10th at the end of the season – and who knows – we may see Danny at Wembley next year, wearing his blue shirt with its Dame Toffee, going up to the table to receive that trophy on behalf of the team! Happy Thoughts. And it would be icing on the cake if 'Luvvie Bill' announced his retirement!

Perhaps I should put this Whiskey away!

Soren Moyer
122 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Andrew (114).

No. You are wrong. I have never watched any player highlights on YouTube. Ever! I just think bringing back a 33-year-old former player on a £100k/ week and giving him a 3-year contract is madness.

In my opinion, we should have gone for Julian Weigl (26 by the way) from Benfica who we can get for £12.5M and on lower wages.

Christine Foster
123 Posted 02/08/2022 at

To most of us, the reference to a "99"-er goes back to childhood when an ice cream van used to tour the housing estates selling a "cornet" of ice cream with a stick of Cadbury Flake pushed into the ice cream section.

In supermarkets, Wall's ice cream produced a wrapped cornet of frozen ice cream you could take home and stick in the freezer. A brilliant bit of marketing, came up with the changed lyrics toO Solo Mio which was actually sung in an advert by Pavarotti!

Brilliant, but many preferred the ice cream sold fresh with the half stick of Cadbury Flake which Cadbury called the Cadbury 99 Flake! Hence why the ice cream cone was called a 99-er.

Market rivals and both icons hard to choose from. I seem to remember that it came from a King's Guard of 99 men, so special that 99-ers were a term used to acknowledge the best..

Si Cooper
124 Posted 01/08/2022 at
You say he ‘left us after signing a new contract' – no length of contract guarantees a player won't be targeted (and seduced) by another club but it at least puts the selling club in a better bargaining position. Very dated ‘principle' to carp about.
Jay Harris
125 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Christine, spot on, and the ice cream vans were called Mr Whippy. Please excuse any connotations with another industry but these were ice cream vans predominantly aimed at kids but it didn't stop my mother from wanting one every time she sent me out to the van to get one for me and my brother.

And don't forget the raspberry sauce and sprinkles too... Oh how I wish I could get one here!

Danny O’Neill
126 Posted 02/08/2022 at
On the contract thing, I often thought Rooney could have done us a favour by signing a contract and then moving on as he was always going to. Okay, he was a kid and no doubt his agent was dictating.

As the cousins done with Suarez, it protects the club. Sign a new contract. Increased salary and benefits for a year and then get the move you want.

Or run it down and the club loses out. So in the context of the modern game, I don't see issue with signing of contracts and then moving on - as I say, the club looking after itself.

I can't look past how the Gueye relationship with Everton has been a rare example of good transfer business by our club in recent years.

Bought for a modest price. Was an effective player for us. Sold at considerable profit. Comes back as a seasoned player with Champions League experience having played alongside Messi and other FIFA 2022 names to please the gamers. I don't see any bad in this one. And still has a lot to offer. That Ronaldo guy must have been done at 33 right?

Bernie, don't put that whiskey away. If we think it, we believe. If we believe, it will eventually happen. It's happening.

Karl Meighan
127 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Gana looked a better passer of a ball to me when playing for PSG, whether that was having better players around him or having more time in a League slower than the Premier League I don't know.

What we do know is that Gana's engine and ability to cover the ground were second to none. Gana will play more games than Delph and if he signs it will be a small fee.

I don't expect Gana to take us into the European places; however, I would expect an improvement on last season's relegation fight.

Lampard seems to want him and he should know a bit about central midfielders; I've seen little or no reason not to trust his judgment as yet.

Goals and pace are needed in the final third, they always are, but Gana, if signed, will give value and hopefully the time for a youngster to make it into the first team.

My guess is half those games in France would have been a stroll and not taken a lot from Gana which I imagine most of our fans would be concerned with.

Bill Gienapp
128 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Colin (105),

You seem to be remembering some sort of alternate reality. Gueye was having a good season, then – after we rebuffed PSG in January – instead of pouting, he kicked things up several notches and played his best football ever for us.

He was a huge reason why we finished the season as strongly as we did, and the vast majority on here were extremely concerned about the fallout of him being sold.

Danny O’Neill
129 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Important point that, Karl.

When you have options and runners in front of you, it makes you look a better player.

When you look up and it's static, the instinct to keep the ball will make you go sideways or backwards.

It's not always the player on the ball. It's what you do off the ball that often affects the game more. Be that pressing to turn the game or to provide options for the player on the ball, who really needs to play it. The longer you have the ball, the more you are a target and will be closed down.

See it, play it. Pass and move. Work hard to make space in possession and equally as hard to retain possession. It's a simple game really.

Ian Edwards
130 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Senegalese journos on Twitter saying Gueye is not on Merseyside having a medical but is in Paris and intent on staying with PSG.

Gueye recently refused to wear a rainbow shirt and we shouldn't go anywhere near the bigot.

If he doesn't sign, we have had a lucky escape.

Derek Knox
131 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Christine, @ 123, a very succinct and eloquent description of what a "99" was for Mike G. I obviously knew what it was myself, but hailing from Scotland was not aware of the King's Guard allusion.

Am I glad he never asked what a "69" was! :-)

Sam Bowen
132 Posted 01/08/2022 at
Bloody brilliant signing. One of the best around at what he does which is winning the ball back. He's still very good at doing it too.

I would still very much like a genuine No 6 to be brought in who can sit at the base of a three-man midfield and allow Gana and Allan, Doucouré or Iwobi to hunt the ball. But, if that's not possible and we play a 2, then he's still miles better than what we've currently got. Absolute no-brainer.

Danny O’Neill
133 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Sorry Ian, you're playing on that.

I am a very tolerant person and respect people's rights to choose. I've literally put my life on the line for that freedom of choice.

But I wouldn't wear a rainbow shirt or armband to demonstrate that. Like many things in life these days, it's often a token gesture without substance behind it. Be seen to do rather than actually make a difference.

Like many of us, he has his beliefs, be they personal or religious. I'm not going to go holier than though on him. I'll forge my opinion on the footballer.

Ian Edwards
134 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Danny. It's a huge debate but I disagree. Happy to also judge him as a player. He's crap.
Ian Hollingworth
135 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Does an employer have a right to force an employee to wear a rainbow shirt (regardless of the employees views by the way) or any other political / branded / woke shirt for that matter.

I hope not as imagine working for an employer who sponsored Man Utd or Liverpool.

Can he still do a job for us, will he improve us that's all we should be bothered about.

Geoff Trenner
136 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Ian@ 130. Refusing to wear a rainbow shirt doesn’t make him a bigot any more than me not clapping for the NHS made me anti-NHS.

Virtue signalling.

Geoff Trenner
137 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Well said, Ian Hollingsworth @135.
Eddie Dunn
138 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Ian, have a look at the link from Chris @94. It's not all as simple as you seem to imagine.

Thanks for the insight Chris.

Alan J Thompson
139 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Just an aside; would he actually be an employee or a contractor? Similar to Danny (#133), I'm not fussed on his opinions on others' legal sexuality unless they affect his footballing ability.
Christine Foster
140 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Ian, depends on who you elect to work for. Many companies have diversity / equality policies that are part of your contract of employment and some have dress / uniform codes which dictate what you wear, especially if supplied by the company. When you sign your contract, you agree on the conditions placed on you to comply.

I do wonder though if Everton had a gay player, would Gana play alongside him, support him, pass him the ball, congratulate him when he scores? Truth is we don't know if it's lip service to his faith to ensure family safety in Senegal, or his own religious zeal. The first is a pragmatic choice; the second more debatable.

Tony Abrahams
141 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Danny@133, it's all about opinions, so get paid for your views on tokenism, mate. At least from me anyway.

I think that in all the time Gueye played for Everton, we were a very poor “football team” except for the time that Silva's team had a great end to his first season, when I thought this little fella was an eight or even nine out of ten, most games.

Maybe it was because he knew PSG were watching him? But the attitude he showed after Everton refused to sell him in the January window was very refreshing, and is exactly the type of attitude that I'd love to see out of every player.

Paul O'Neill
142 Posted 02/08/2022 at
I find it heartwarming that the debate over the rainbow shirt thing is even happening.

When I had my first season ticket at Everton in 1998, I was a fresher at Liverpool Univeristy and a very confused young man. Everton was one of the few things that gave me pleasure, and a sense of belonging, in the big bad world of uni and generally growing up and wondering about my sexuality. But even then it made me sad that football was silent, at best on these issues.

I'm happy to say it was very very rare I heard homophobic chanting at Goodison, the odd physically inadequate man shrieking insecure infantile nonsense at Freddie Ljungberg aside. But it's still made me a bit sad that my beloved Blues where I'd always felt welcome, didn't do more.

Then Everton were one of the first clubs to do the ‘rainbow laces' thing. Yes, it is gesture politics, but it's an awfully nice gesture and it harms nobody and makes people know they're welcome and respected. I wrote to the club about it and got a lovely response.

Refusing to wear the logo of an alcohol or betting sponsor is about a personal lifestyle choice, based on religion or otherwise. The rainbow flag is a symbol against systematic and horrid human rights abuses all around the world, even today.

I agree gesture politics are fraught with difficulties and I'm all for freedom of speech. But by refusing to take part in that small gesture, Gueye and his ilk aren't just being themselves and are not just expressing a preference for themselves (à la an alcohol or betting sponsor, which I note he had no problem with when he was last at Everton). It is tacitly but very clearly saying that he agrees with looking down on, judging and ostracising a minority in society.

So be it. That's up to him. That's his freedom of speech. It's my freedom of speech that it makes him look like a gobshite.

Sure, I'll hold my nose and have him at the club for a season if he sticks to the football. But I don't have to respect his views.

Ian Hollingworth
143 Posted 02/08/2022 at

That many companies have diversity / equality policies that are part of your contract of employment, that really worries me as a believer in free speech and people having the right to have their own views as opposed to having them forced on them by employers for example.

Danny O’Neill
144 Posted 02/08/2022 at
I guess we'll disagree on the assessment of the football player, Ian. I don't think a crap player would have had a career for 2 of the biggest clubs in English football at Premier League level and gone on to represent one of the current biggest players in Europe. But that's just my view.

In terms of views, and this is my personal one, we have an issue in our country and society of being outraged and trying to impose our beliefs onto people from countries where we don't understand the culture or the context.

Okay, I'll use personal experiences. Our approach to the Middle East and Afghanistan was to try to "westernise" them and impose our form of democracy upon them. It was never going to work. And it hasn't.

As much as we respect our hard-fought-for freedoms, we should also respect the culture and backgrounds that others come from. The world is different. We are all different, even if we don't agree with it or it's not how we would live our lives.

I didn't want to turn this political, but I guess it's part of the thread, but typical Liberal. Be seen to be tolerant. Until someone disagrees with you. Then get nasty and intolerant.

Ian Hollingworth
145 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Paul @142, well put.

However, it is a topic by topic thing as people have differing views on all topics and we take some topics more personally than others.

Hence why to me everyone has a right to their own views and definitely should not be belittled or anything else by people who have differing views.

Ian Hollingworth
146 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Danny @144, spot on.
Peter Bourke
147 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Ian, it is widely accepted that Politics and Sport should not be mixed.

Most people find that sport is a way of forgetting about the trials and tribulations of daily life and, even if your team is not doing so well, we can forget about life's issues even if just for a couple of hours.

Whilst the judgemental woke brigade are doing everything they can to force their opinions and beliefs down our throats, please leave your politics at the door. Idrissa Gana Gueye has every right not to promote homosexuality by refusing to wear a rainbow jersey, as has been the case with some players here in Australia in the NRL.

Even though I am against racism in all forms, I would never kneel in support of BLM. It doesn't make me a racist, nor does Gueye's refusal to promote homosexuality make him a bigot.

Your comment is one of the ugliest I've seen on here in ages.

Geoff Lambert
148 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Calling someone out for standing up for their beliefs is bigotry in itself.

A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.

Let's get back to football.

Sean Roe
149 Posted 02/08/2022 at
I don't remember him causing any kind of trouble in the 3 years he was with us before, in fact he was the consummate professional, even when he wanted to leave.

Here's a novel idea, everyone be who they want to be, stop shoving their own personal views down everybody else's throat and deal with the small minority of sexists, racists, homophobes etc on an individual basis as and when situations occur.

For the record, I don't care if you are black, blue, pink, gay, female, male... respect me as a human being and I will do the same for you.

Tony Shelby
150 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Would Gueye make our squad stronger? Yes, possibly much stronger.

Sign him then.

Danny O’Neill
151 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Thoughtful piece, Paul.

I think we've come a long way and I wish we would stop looking for problems even though we should strive for improvement and tolerance in our society.

I don't expect everyone to know this, but it was only in 1994 that being found to be homosexual in the Army resulted in up to 2 years imprisonment in a military jail followed by dishonourable discharge. It was only in 2001 that it ceased to be a dischargeable offence.

Disgraceful. I served alongside many homosexuals, male and female, who had to hide it for literally decades.

As many will relate to, I stood on the Gwladys Street with racist bigots in the 1980s hearing "Everton are White" chants. The Daily Mirror called us out at the time. It was quite bad. A guy who stood near me even proudly wore a badge on his chest proclaiming it. He was one of those who went to the match to complain; you know them. The "You're shite, Everton" bloke.

And he was from Runcorn. Irrelevant and I only know that because he used to get on the Amberwood Coach at Widnes for the away matches and spout his bigotry for most of the journey. There was no escaping him, home or away. Fortunately he was asleep for most of the trip back.

I remember a number of Evertonians I went to the match with threatening to give up their season tickets when we signed Amokachi. One tried to get on the pitch when he was introduced. That was obviously into the 90s and that sentiment still existed then.

If you honestly look in the mirror, which I always will, as a fanbase, we were not immune from bigotry in that sense. So let's be careful with judgement and taking the moral high ground.

I'll disagree with you on one thing, though, Paul. I do respect different views and perspectives, as long as they are not bigotry. No-one should be forced to do or wear anything they don't believe in. Within reason. That's freedom of choice.

Most on here know my background, both country, religious and professional. But I hold no grudge against James McLean for his refusal to wear a poppy. A symbol that is massive for me. I personally can't understand why anyone wouldn't. But that is his decision and his right to choose.

We seem to continuously look for the bad rather than acknowledge how far we have come. This means including the views of others. Not dictating. Otherwise, we live in a dictatorship.

Apart from the views of Kopites. Now that is literally a red line that should not be crossed.

Brent Stephens
152 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Would love to see Gana back with us. Hope we get this over the line.

There seems to be uncertainty on whether his real views are homophobic or not.

If he is homophobic in views, I wouldn't use that as an excuse not to sign him. What is important is how, if at all, those views manifest themselves in words or other behaviour - some forms of expression / behaviour are acceptable, others not. I've neither seen nor heard anything from him that is unacceptable.

So far, a very tolerant, liberal thread here – bravo. (I assume those are not intolerant conservative views wrapped in a false shroud of tolerance.)

Dave Abrahams
153 Posted 02/08/2022 at
I'm not sure about Gana Gueye as a player because of his age and I'm worried about his movement, and lack of staying in his position. Although I think he is as good or better than any other central midfield player. If he comes, I hope he fits into the squad and improves us.

As for his beliefs, I think that is up to himself. I don't think it is wise to judge people on their religion or their colour. Judging people on their personality is the way to go, I believe, but each to their own.

Christopher Timmins
154 Posted 02/08/2022 at
His signing can only be seen as a stop-gap measure at best and, given his age and the manner in which he plays, it's unlikely he will be the same influence as he was when he was last here.

With five at the back, maybe Lampard is not looking for a specialist CDM and Gueye and Allan may share the load in the midfield sector.

It has to be said that his displays in his final season, particularly the period post-Christmas until the end of the season, were his best and we never properly replaced him.

Tony Shelby
155 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Perhaps his surname has affected his attitude to gay rights as much as his upbringing?

If he was teased as a kid, that shit stays with you.

Danny O’Neill
156 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Looks like it's on. EFC Daily and the Bobble reporting him being on Merseyside for a medical.
Jim Lloyd
157 Posted 02/08/2022 at
I think Gana will do a good job for us, this season and next. With Allan, we have two decent midfielders who will do a decent, maybe excellent, job for the present.

It seems fairly obvious that the club have little money and little pulling power. To get Gana is an excellent move. He's just spent several years in the first team for PSG. I think we got about £30M for him. I don't know whether we're paying anything in a transfer fee, but I think it's a great move.

Until we get in a position to be able to compete financially again, and show we've moved steadily away from the relegation zone, then we will be restricted in our choice of players. Though it might mean that we can sell or loan Gomes and Gbamim (if anyone will take them) Davies? well, maybe him as well.

As for the issue of beliefs, if our club ask him about wearing a shirt with a motif he doesn't agree with, he would tell them before he signed. If our club decides to become a crusader for an issue that some believe in but many don't, and then emblazons it on the club shirts. Players who have a belief that object to that issue, will not want to wear it and people who object to buying the shirt, won't buy it. Then that is their right.

There is too much "holier than thou" wokery in this country where a liberal dictatorship is trying to enforce their views on others. They are the same mentality as the Puritan zealots in the 16th and 17th Centuries, who tortured and burnt people at the stake for holding views different to them and burnt thousands of women as witches, in Britain, Europe and America.

As for Gana coming to Goodison, I'll be made up, I think he's top class.

George Cumiskey
158 Posted 02/08/2022 at
I wonder if everyone on ToffeeWeb would be so forgiving if he would've said he agrees with the Russian invasion of Ukraine? Just saying like.
John Kavanagh
159 Posted 02/08/2022 at
This signing would only make sense if we had a young player who will be ready to take his place next season or the one after at the latest. The added baggage of the rainbow shirt controversy is something we could do without.
Si Cooper
160 Posted 02/08/2022 at
‘It is widely accepted that Politics and Sport should not be mixed.'

Ah yes, but most of the time what people are trying to debate isn't actually political. That's just what people label it when they don't want to discuss it but the definition does not necessarily fit. Politics is simply the activities of the government, politicians, or political parties, or the study of these activities.

Rainbow laces and shirts (which support the basic rights of people not to be discriminated against on the basis of their sexuality rather than actually promoting homosexuality, and people should be aware of the difference) or even ‘opposition' to the poppy is not politics unless someone chooses to support a political party because that party has identified itself as a supporter of a particular view or cause. You can still support a cause without supporting a political entity.

Bigotry is defined as an obstinate or unreasonable attachment to a belief, opinion, or faction; in particular, prejudice against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group. Being opposed to something that belongs within that definition cannot itself be bigotry. The crux of the matter is who gets to decide what is 'unreasonable'?

In practice, each society will decide what is unreasonable. If you live in a society and hold what the majority consider to be ‘unreasonable' attachment to an opinion, you should expect some flak for it.

I've never got the logic of viewing homosexuality as a sin and it just doesn't fit with what Jesus seemed most bothered about. I don't particularly think or care what Gana thinks but I hope he's learnt that there are greater burdens to bear in life than occasionally keeping schtum whilst wearing some multicoloured garb.

Brian Murray
161 Posted 02/08/2022 at
The earth is covered three-quarters in water. Gana covers the rest. Welcome back, Special G.
Tony Shelby
162 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Jim Lloyd (157) - There is too much "holier than thou" wokery in this country where a liberal dictatorship is trying to enforce their views on others.

Sorry mate but I'm calling utter bollocks on that statement.

The top 7 newspapers in the UK by circulation are:

The Scum; Metro; The Scum on Sunday; The Daily Heil; The Heil on Sunday; The Sunday Times, and The London Evening Standard.

All are owned by right-leaning organisations and wear those colours very clearly.

We have a right-wing government (check-out the policies being promoted by the two people vying to be the next PM) which has now got the BBC to 'toe the line', so that it rarely challenges government policy.




A word only used by those on the right, to describe people or things that they do not agree with i.e. almost everything.

Danny O’Neill
163 Posted 02/08/2022 at
To Jim's point George, it comes down to whether you accept alternative views.

This seems to have been made a huge issue about a footballer who made a choice.

I don't think anyone here, or Gueye, supports dictatorial oppression, invasion, destruction and killing.

I don't think you can compare an individual deciding not to wear a symbol against supporting a brutal pummelling and destruction of a country and it's people.

I go back to my James McLean poppy example. His choice, even though that is very emotive to many.

Rob Dolby
164 Posted 02/08/2022 at
George 158. His religion has instilled those beliefs. There are many Muslim players in the Premier League who will have the same beliefs.

We are hosting the most inclusive Commonwealth Games at the moment, most of the countries participating have laws against same-sex marriage.

Morally I don't think the club is in a position to start judging. He hasn't broken any laws.

The Rainbow Toffees may not like the signing but I am sure those involved have had to deal with a lot worse than a footballer not wanting to wear laces.

Brian Harrison
165 Posted 02/08/2022 at
This is an individual who has his own beliefs and, while I don't agree with them, this should not affect the club signing the player. It's not like he has been on any platform extolling his views, which would of course be a very different kettle of fish.

To be honest, I am more worried with being only days away from the start of the season and we still haven't signed a forward to replace Richarlison. We know when the season finished Richarlison had told the club he wanted away, so signing a replacement should have been our priority.

I know Dwight McNeil came in and scored 2 in the friendly but the stats say he hasn't ever been a 15- to 20-goal-a-season player.

This club are sleepwalking into another relegation battle. We have been massively short of goals and yet we seem to have prioritised other positions than the one that should have been our priority.

Usually in business you look to see what the best companies do and try and follow what they do. So no surprise that the top 2 clubs knew who they were prepared to let go and got their replacements in before they left so the impact is minimal.

Dave Lynch
166 Posted 02/08/2022 at
This country is a tolerant society, we accept other people's beliefs, ways and welcome them into our society, which as a human being is imo the way forward in life.

But... we have also been conditioned to accept others' intolerance toward ourselves.

It's all well and fine if people accept others beliefs and ways but unfortunately this will never be the case, bigots and extremists usually always win out because they shout the loudest and the woke generation are only too willing to label anyone who doesn't agree with their agenda a racist or homophobe.

Christian, Muslim, Gay, Straight...we all breathe the same air, for fuck's sake.

Christy Ring
167 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Looks like he's on his way, but I hope Frank brings in Gilmour as well, because are we going to play Gueye in every game, like we did with Seamus.

Regarding his religious beliefs, and the rainbow emblem, as a Muslim, I find it a bit hypocritical that he'll wear a jersey with a gambling company logo?

Dave Lynch
168 Posted 02/08/2022 at

Salah has been wearing the Standard Charter logo for seasons. They are no more than a big corporation that gambles with investment on a daily basis.

Jim Wilson
169 Posted 02/08/2022 at
The signing of the summer for me. He would walk into most midfields and, if he stays fit, it will ensure a much more solid midfield.

I hope Allan stays and, if he did play with Gueye, we would see a different player.

Mark Ryan
170 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Disappointing to read so many posts where this player's religion is referred to or his personal belief systems are attacked. Let the man be.

Brian @161, thanks for getting this thread back on track. I'm excited about seeing him back in our team. Some astute business considering where we are in terms of our financial plight.

The season is just around the corner. Can we have a striker and playmaker please, Mr Thelwell?

Dave Cashen
171 Posted 02/08/2022 at
134 "Happy to judge him as a player. He's crap"

Comically blunt, but not without a germ of truth.

I don't see any comparison at all with Gareth Barry who was a superior footballer with a superior footballing brain, but I would still like to see this happen.

We all yearn for creativity, but to be creative you need the ball. EFC definitely has a vacancy for a destroyer who will break up opposition possession. We've been wide open through the middle for years

Brian Murray
172 Posted 02/08/2022 at
My dad actually went to jail over his beliefs. He believed the alarm was off...

I'll get me duffel. Coyb, let the good times roll (not the Kenwright way).

Roger Helm
173 Posted 02/08/2022 at

1. In what planet is this government regarded as right wing, when taxation is the highest for decades, with a chancellor boasting that he intends government spending to be higher than any Labour chancellor would plan?

2. Your describing daily newspapers as Nazi is frankly offensive to any Jewish person or indeed anyone who knows what went on in the 1940s.

3. Woke is in fact an Americanism, introduced by the American Left.

4. Your obsession with an offensive newspaper story decades old (since when all the staff on the paper will have changed), is to my mind a bit sad, and just reinforces the opinion of those outside the city that Scousers are self-pitying whiners, in love with their perpetual victimhood (not an opinion I share).

In short, grow up.

Danny O’Neill
174 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Agree with that, Dave. You need players to win the ball to allow those who are more creative to do something with it. Gueye isn't or wasn't as good on the ball as Barry. Very different players, but the comparison is not on playing style. More about not writing off a player because of age.

One player doesn't make a team. But they all bring different attributes that contribute. It's a bit like the centre-back debate. Some who talk about the good attributes of Michael Keane could also be those who chastised John Stones. I know who I'd rather have, but it's all down to opinion.

I still think we might fill that creative gap before the transfer window closes. But the important thing is to close the gap. I am hopeful that, with Tarkowski and potentially Gueye, we have the experience and leadership that we have been lacking to do that.

But on the other hand, it feels like we might be going to use the flanks and width? It hasn't worked too badly for our cousins. Full backs, diagonal to the forwards. Goal. Midfield is almost a precautionary measure. Coming from someone who can be quoted as saying games are won and lost in midfield. The game evolves. Managers and coaches adopt different approaches.

Danny O’Neill
175 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Brian Murray, as we're on quotes, my new Holy Trinity Tee-Shirt:

"We could have found each other in the dark" - Alan Ball

"They were the only three-man team to have won the Championship" - Brian Labone

Martin Reppion
176 Posted 02/08/2022 at
A very interesting thread.

Gueye was a top player for us. He's been a successful player at the highest level since, and he is fit. Most of all he wants to come back to Everton.

The signings so far this summer have been pragmatic, but all of them improve on what we have. If I was driving a VW Polo, I would be dreaming of owning a Rolls-Royce. But if someone offered me a Ford Mondeo, I'd take it.

That's where we are. We can't sign the Rolls-Royce players, but we can, and have, brought in improvements with the people we've signed.

Is Tarkowski better than Holgate, Keane, or Godfrey, and fitter than Mina? Yes.

Is McNeil more creative than Gordon etc? Yes.

Is Vinagre a better crosser of the ball than Nkounkou? Looked like it on Friday.

Is Gueye better than any of the defensive midfield players we have in the squad? Yes.

If each of these players adds a couple of points to our total from last season, we will not have such a traumatic time.

As for others mentioned. Batshuayi won't be a starter but adds an option we missed all last season.

Get real, people. We all wanted to lose the high-earning non-performers and bring in better. This is still an ongoing situation but, with a month of the transfer window to go, we are on the right track.

Jim Wilson
177 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Roger @173

Totally out of order.

Taxation is high because there was no getting around it after Covid. The Tory government from Cameron onwards have been more right-wing than Thatcher. Austerity and then Brexit has messed up the country big time with thousands more people on the breadline.

The Mail, Sun, Telegraph and Express are just lie machines to help prop up a Tory government and help the rich get richer at the cost of the country's well being.

Don't call me left. I want fairness in society and I see lies, corruption, racism, and criminality in the Tory party. Clear as day.

Everton are making a great signing with Gueye!

Sean Roe
178 Posted 02/08/2022 at
£8.4 million according to HITC.
Mark Ryan
179 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Martin @ 176, spot on. Incremental improvements until we can learn how to spend big and are capabale again of spending big. We need to be frugal and we need to improve slowly. We are doing this.
James Marshall
181 Posted 02/08/2022 at
I don't agree with Gana's stance on the rainbow shirt thing, but to put it into some perspective - he was hailed as a hero back in Senegal, even getting a Tweet from the Prime Minister of Senegal supporting him and his stance.

We come from different worlds, we have different beliefs and we don't agree on things such as being pro-LGBTQ+, much the same as I don't have any belief in any God, which he does (exhibit A, dinosaurs).

It should be put to bed in my view - he's a footballer, not a politician or an activist. Let him kick a ball about, it's what he's good at, so let's try to judge him on that. By God (whichever one is your favourite) we need him!

Tony Shelby
182 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Roger (173)

1. One that sends asylum seekers to Rwanda; that illegally prorogues Parliament for 5 weeks in what was described by the Supreme Court as "the improper purpose of stymieing Parliament"; that makes peaceful demonstrations illegal etc. etc.

2. I was actually basing the name on that newspaper's current output, not on its historical position. Nice of you to bring it up though.

This country, like the US, is sleepwalking towards authoritarianism, which is effectively fascism. The Mail is one of the most vocal proponents of the policies that are leading us in that direction.

Doesn't your concern for the groups of people you mention amount to 'virtue signalling'? I hope not because right-wing newspapers hate that. They think it's woke.

3. What do the origins of the word matter? Most of us were unaware of its existence until it became the go-to insult for those on the right.

4. See point 2. Also, it was the current Prime Minister who famously called Liverpool the 'self-pity city' and made other slurs, for which he has refused to apologise. It's good to hear that you don't agree with him though.

I'm as grown up as I want to be, thanks.

(Anyway, let's sign Gueye and UTFT)

George Cumiskey
183 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Well we all know where you stand and what papers you read, Roger Helm! The Tory government isn't right-wing???? What planet are you on?
Dermot O'Brien
184 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Brian #172. Thank you for that. Made me laugh out loud.
Matthew Williams
185 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Disappointing news this... just when we were getting our act together too. Oh well.
Jeff Armstrong
187 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Danny 175, I'm not sure if Labby was being a bit sarcastic with that quote.
Ian Edwards
188 Posted 02/08/2022 at
€10 million!!!!! For an old bigot. Thank God Alf Garnet is dead.
Andrew Clare
189 Posted 02/08/2022 at
I will be pleased to see Idrissa in a blue shirt again as he is a top class player.

No doubt that this Tory government is UKIP in all but name and is supported by the very right-wing British media. The sooner they are gone, the better.

Back to football, I just hope we can bring in a creative midfielder and a striker before the window closes. The season will then look much more promising than it looked like being a couple of weeks ago.

Danny O’Neill
190 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Don't spoil the moment Jeff. I'm already waiting for the disapproving shake of the head when she sees it.
Colin Wordsworth
191 Posted 02/08/2022 at
A reported £8.4 million plus £100k a week... really! For a 33-year-old, some very strange stuff is being smoked... Put the money towards Cornet.

Crazy, just crazy.

Tony Shelby
192 Posted 02/08/2022 at
We get an extra £2.2m for every place we finish higher than last season.

If he helps us achieve mid-table mediocrity this season – something I think we would all be 'happy' with – then he will have paid his own fee.

Andrew Ellams
193 Posted 02/08/2022 at
If the numbers going round are true, then we will have signed him twice for a combined total of £15.5M and sold him once for around £30M. Not a bad bit of business by our normal standards.
Colin Wordsworth
194 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Tony, no one knows how 'good' he is anymore, he is 33 years of age, better than Allan... who says? Better than a fit Delph? No. An improvement on Tom Davies? Questionable.

To depend on him to get us up the league is a huge leap of faith based on YouTube snippets from a slower league. On a free would possibly be acceptable but to spend money we are struggling for?Madness.

Jim Lloyd
195 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Well, it's good to know we have advisers ready and waiting to help out our manager and DoF.

Me? I don't think they would be bothering to sign players if there was no need. Nor would they choose Gana, if we had a top class midfielder begging them to take him in.

I don't know how many matches he failed to play in last season, but I seem to remember Delph missed loads. Gbamin... who's he? Gomes, sadly he seems to have lost whatever he had.

There's a good chance we will get a season out of him, maybe two. And between him, Davies, Allan and possibly another transfer in and one or two of the Under-21s, we won't be doing too badly.

If we have to spend money, I'm sure Frank and our DoF will spend only if they have to.

Danny O’Neill
196 Posted 02/08/2022 at
His wife's Twitter and Instagram, if to be believed, indicate it's on.

And how they have stayed in touch with the club.

Steve Shave
197 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Colin @191, but Cornet is a left winger, we don't need a left winger we need a quality CDM, that's why we are buying Gueye!

I don't understand why we are still being linked with Cornet as we have that area covered now with McNeil. We need 2 midfielders and a striker, I can see us still going for both of those positions after Gueye is in.

Tony Abrahams
199 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Educational thread, with my own conclusion being that Everton Football Club slowly slipped into an authoritarian state, many, many, years ago. Proof even, that Bill Kenwright was just ahead of his time!

Life is full of contradictions though, because it was those Tory-hating scousers that demanded Frank Lampard be put in charge of Everton.

Hopefully now, Lampard can make our team as colorful as any rainbow, win us a silver pot, and dance around the corner flag!

Will Mabon
200 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Left" and "Right" are middle management.

Spend an hour or two on the World Economic Forum website. Research the Davos meetings.

,"Left" and "Right" are middle management.

Spend an hour or two on the W.E.F website. Research the Davos meetings.,,,1,14:03:07,,,ok,19747,08/02/2022 14:03:07,overdrive,reader,,,no,
1260756,42416,toffeeweb,02/08/2022, John Otway,,"Brian #198. According to The Guardian it was $800,000,000!! Your point is an excellent one though.

Dave Evans
201 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Gana is just what we need and could give new freedom to Doucoure or Alan.

On the politics. Asking everyone to wear a sign, then pillorying individuals who don’t, is a manifestation of the sort of intolerance seen in a fundamentalist or fascist society.

A liberal secular, society is tolerant. All it asks of people who want to bring their families and ply their trade is to abide by our laws. All of them.

The rest is life-style and opinion.

Tony Abrahams
202 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Colin Murray.
Will Mabon
203 Posted 02/08/2022 at
"Here's a novel idea, everyone be who they want to be, stop shoving their own personal views down everybody else's throat and deal with the small minority of sexists, racists, homophobes etc on an individual basis as and when situations occur.

For the record, I don't care if you are black, blue, pink, gay, female, male... respect me as a human being and I will do the same for you."

Sean - thank you.

Essentially the way it used to be, and gradual, realistic improvements were being made.

Sadly, that didn't fit.

Bob Parrington
204 Posted 02/08/2022 at
I think it will be sensible business to re-sign Gana. This goes against my usual thought that going back should be avoided. But, as others on here have mentioned, we've had a few come back who have been really good for us in the past.

Some comments on here bring up the UK Government. Speaking from Australia, we have first-hand knowledge of how dysfunctional governments can be – on both sides of politics. From a distance, Boris Johnson has been a disaster for the UK. Should never have had Brexit and his behaviour as a Prime Minister has been pretty damn awful. Parliament seems to be a disaster area.

Individually, we don't have much say in who is elected. It seems now, though, that the modern world has lost it's way – what with the likes of Trump, Johnson, Putin, Kim Jung il, Xi Jinping and others. Too much testosterone? What can we do?

At least we should still be able to watch some great football matches with real competition (without a European Super League, eh!). COYB

Jim Lloyd
205 Posted 02/08/2022 at
And the Bilderberg crew, Will! Tony, is that why he was granted is Sir Bill for.

We're all Prawns to the New World Order. But until they brainwash us all for our own good, it's great to cock a snook at them.

As I write that, it sounds a bit fishy!

Will, Sean – good posts.

Bob Parrington
206 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Jim, Our local fishermen tend to eat snook and tell us we don't know what we're missing. Not a bad fish!

Interesting season ahead!

Will Mabon
207 Posted 02/08/2022 at
"On the politics. Asking everyone to wear a sign, then pillorying individuals who don’t, is a manifestation of the sort of intolerance seen in a fundamentalist or fascist society."

I agree, Dave.

Sadly it's become, virtue signal or get pilloried. Woe betide those who don't pull the right face around Dear Leader.

There used to be agree, disagree, and a big neutral area or scale in between. Now it's just two poles - for or against.

Robert Tressell
208 Posted 02/08/2022 at
From what I understand, Gueye didn't make a song and dance about the rainbow. He just quietly avoided it.

It is still unfortunate because men's football evidently has a big problem with gay inclusion. But I don't think he was trying to cause offence or make a statement (although I think a Senegalese teammate did – forget who).

I know this won't play well to traditionalists, but society is changing. It could even be that there is a sporting advantage to be gained by showing greater inclusion to parts of society that haven't traditionally provided footballers – gay, Asian etc.

Will Mabon
209 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Bob @ 205:

Your "Leader" and many current ones – research their links to the World Economic Forum. National government is a ghost.

Danny Baily
210 Posted 02/08/2022 at
This is great business, and had Gana not been a former Blue, I'm sure we'd be unanimous in welcoming this deal. For some reason, the fact that he's played for us previously, and done well in a blue shirt, counts against him with some people.

This is not Blue Bill getting all sentimental on us. This is great business, plain and simple. If our past relationship with the player has helped facilitate this deal, then that's a good thing.

I saw someone comparing him to Delph – there no comparison, even on the incredibly rare occasion when Delph was fit.

Will Mabon
211 Posted 02/08/2022 at
"I know this won't play well to traditionalists, but society is changing."

Robert - being changed.

Peter Neilson
212 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Le Parisien reporting £8.4M fee for Gueye. Doesn't make clear if that's a loan fee plus wages or a permanent transfer fee.
Stephen Williams
213 Posted 02/08/2022 at
There are two things in TW posts that get my goat:

1. Incessant negativity, and
2. Totally unnecessary politics.

I suppose we can't do much about the 1st but the 2nd is easily dealt with. It has nothing to do with EFC so, if you want to make political comments, then bugger off to one of the many political sites and do it there.

Stick to Everton please. Goodness knows there should be enough to keep us going.
And by the way, Gana will be a terrific signing. Less that £10M fee, less than £100k pw, knows both the club and the Premier League really well. Forget his age, he's as fit as a fiddle. Ticks all the boxes.

Robert Tressell
214 Posted 02/08/2022 at
I expect your parents said the same thing about your generation, Will.
Will Mabon
215 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Of course there's change, Robert, always has been. You're probably right that every generation has commented in some way... and mine did!

Question now is, change driven by whom, why, what to, and at what rate.

The days of natural, organic change are over.

Alex Gray
217 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Gana signing is a no-brainer to be honest. Better than Allan in pretty much every department and a good short-term solution whilst we're struggling financially.

I don't agree with his views on things but, from a footballing perspective, he improved us, protects our defence, and allows us to play further up the field.

Danny O’Neill
219 Posted 02/08/2022 at
I hope he does that corner flag dance Tony. Next spring.

Back to the politics. Brexit a mistake? Not so sure on that one. Regardless of political persuasion, many Labour areas voted out. It wasn't a Tory thing.

We were always an reluctant partner. We reluctantly joined the EU (as is now) club late. We drive on the left. Converted to litres at the petrol pump but still drink pints. Measure road distance in miles but run school races in metres. Buy in kilos in the supermarket but weigh ourselves in stones and pounds. Measure our height in feet. Didn't join the Schengen or the single currency.

Always a half way house and uncomfortable member. I think we'll be a better European partner out than we ever were in.

And let's not let the BBC forget. The EU isn't Europe. Europe is more than the EU. There are over 40 countries in Europe (possibly as many as 50), yet only 27 are in the EU. Despite talk of Defence, they are toothless and indecisive with ineffective militaries. The strongest military alliance is a bilateral agreement between the UK (non EU) and France (EU). The EU couldn't defend itself tomorrow. It has dined off the good will, investment and nature of the US and UK for decades.

The UK is generally a moderate centre left or centre right country.

Right wing is 1930s Germany. Left wing is late 20th Century Soviet Union. Both were brutal dictatorships. We are not even close. Left or Right, the extremists have more in common than they would care to admit. They ruled by fear rather than govern by consent.

Right wing media? I think we have a very liberal and outraged media. But then I sit and watch the BBC most mornings. I spend half an hour getting wound up and irritated before the dogs calm me down when they take me out.

Apologies. Back to the football. Only 4 days to go until we beat Chelsea.

Ian Edwards
220 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Reading through the comments about Gueye's bigotry is really worrying and explains why society is now in a bad way.
Will Mabon
221 Posted 02/08/2022 at
"Only 4 days to go until we beat Chelsea."

For some reason, Danny, I get this strange feeling we'll win. Maybe I'm running low on negativity.

Mike Gaynes
222 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Tony Shelby, I highly doubt Gueye was teased about his name as a child. "Gay" is an English word. They speak French in Senegal.

Martin #176, great summary. I agree.

Will #212, society is always "changed"... it does not change itself. And if there has ever been an era of "gradual, realistic improvements", I am not aware of it. People of a certain age and/or background tend to look back wistfully on such a time, but in my opinion it never really existed.

Stephen #214, TW has never been, and will never be, football only. It's an open forum for Everton fans. It has never been censored by topic. I happen to like it that way -- I have had some tremendously interesting, informative discussions on here that began as footy and turned into something else. Along the way I have learned a great deal about history, music, literature, food, health care, British humor, fish puns and, yes, politics as the fascinating people here have shared their views and experiences. I've read books and listened to music I would never have known about as a result of conversations here. It's one reason I cherish this site. If you don't like that, or you don't care for the discussion on a particular thread, there's an easy solution. Don't participate. There are always threads here that are all (or mostly) footy.

Gary Jones
223 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Yes Ian Edwards, we should all bow to your woke intolerance of anyone daring to have an alternative view, no matter how many years their religion has been about….

There are none more intolerant than the woke. Sooner people point the spotlight back at them, sooner people wake up to the bigotry.

Will Mabon
224 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Mike, I should make my point clearer by describing change as an intentional interdiction as opposed to the previous evolution. Things are being changed fast.

Access to things that many of our generation aspired to are being denied to the younger generation... and affecting many of all ages. Things have been reversed. It's not happening naturally.

Just study the proclamations and actions of the W.E.F. and U.N., where they want to and are taking things. There'll be plenty to feel wistful about.

Brian Murray
225 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Ian post 221. Unless your inviting him home for dinner i’d just focus on can he get us to another level. Only far right and left wing i’m interested in is getting behind the chelsea defence but go for it mate your entitled to a soap box.
Martin Reppion
226 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Cheers Mike.
I try to be balanced on all subjects except LFC and John Smiths Bitter, both of which just leave a foul taste in the mouth.

I think that despite the impatience of many on here, the summer is shaping up nicely. It looks like we will be nearly there in terms of squad by the time the season starts. The remainder of the month may see clubs across Europe panicking about their squads and coming in for some of our players. One hopes it is Gomes, and one of the centre backs, not DCL.
That may give us an outside chance of a late summer addition, or money in the bank to spend in January.

Steve Brown
227 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Interesting on Brexit Danny, I was a remainer but fully understood why people voted to leave. EU federalism was not what the UK signed up for when it entered and efforts to roll-back the results of the referendum were ill-judged.

That being said, I cannot think of ANY area of the economy that has improved or grown as a result of the vote.

Has Brexit a) increased salaries above inflation b) reduced taxes c) improved public services d) increased exports e) allowed us to attract overseas investment f) improved industrial competitiveness g) improved opportunities for poorer segments of soceity h) accelerated levelling up i) stimulated our technology sector?

No to all of the above.

In the only instance in modern history where a nation voted to make itself poorer.

Bill Gall
228 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Well, I often comment on our poor midfield, or lack of it, and we needed quality players to fix it. Gueye regardless of his age is a quality defensive midfielder, we just need a quality attacking midfielder and that is where the large fees come in that we don't have.

Regarding people's lifestyles or religion, that is their choice and I respect them for it, and hope they respect mine. I was one of those rare breeds as in 1961, as my religion was classed as Church of England, I married a Catholic girl in a Catholic Church.

The only problem then was we had the nuns trying to get me to change my religion and they failed, so they brought the big guns in and the local Priest came and said, "I am here to help you change your beliefs." My reply, "No, Sir, I am staying an Evertonian."

That got a laugh out of him and he said "So am I!" All we talked about, much to my wife's annoyance, was football. We are still married after 62 years and I can't remember any arguments over religion.

People arguing over religion always remind me of that movie, Kingdom of Heaven, with the Christians and the Muslim fighting over Jerusalem; a caption came on stating 2000 years later they are still fighting over it.

Ian Edwards
229 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Brian 226. I've already said he's rubbish. He was rubbish when we had him. He's now 33. I'd sooner have Tom Davies.
Mark Ryan
230 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Steve @ 214,

I'm with you pal. What a load of guff there is but occasionally some do talk about footy and some are worth reading unlike this one of mine which is actually shit when I read it back lol.

I hope we get Idrissa and Batshuayi from Chelsea.

Danny O’Neill
231 Posted 02/08/2022 at
I think we beat ourselves up as though we are unique, Steve.

I employ people in the US and the EU. We afforded them pay rises this year based on assumptions. Way below the cost of living increase and inflation as it stands now. It's not unique to the UK. It's not a Brexit thing. It's a global thing.

Public services? Again, we rightfully beat ourselves up about it and expect high standards. But I have American colleagues who have experienced our NHS and won't have a bad word said about it. One had both of their children born here in the UK.

We are rightly self-critical. But the grass isn't necessarily greener anywhere else. Where you do actually have to pay for it. I know we all do through our contributions, but believe me, it's a bit more harsh in other countries, including our EU partners. Try getting the same health service in Germany that we take for granted and criticise.

Nothing is free in life. As my mother used to tell me as she worried about how much milk was in the fridge.

Andrew Ellams
232 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Ian Edwards, you'd sooner have Tom Davies? That's some top quality trolling.
Brian Murray
233 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Ian. You were doing well there until you mentioned Davies. Agree though it maybe shortsighted scouting but that's the road we're going down for now.

I think Frank is sticking with the devil he knows and then maybe, if we ever get to a Top 6 level, he can add all these European £10M players I keep going on about. That's the way it looks but the window has a bit to go yet.

Steavey Buckley
234 Posted 02/08/2022 at
What's happened to the signing of Cornet, who is far more important signing to Everton than Gueye?

He is 25 years of age, importantly he scored 9 Premier League goals in a Burnley team that could not buy goals. He also will link up well with the other ex-Burnley player, Dwight McNeil, who was amazing in his first game for Everton.

Brian Murray
235 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Sky saying we lead the race for Cornet but I'd slow down and mind that child.
Jim Lloyd
236 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Bob (207),

I'll cock a snook at your fishing fleet!

One thing I will say about the state of the nations politicians, we do at least (in the main) get to vote and participate in our political life. Some countries don't have the luxury of tossing out one set of possible tossers for another set. Though with leaving Europe, he didn't take us out. 17½ million people voted for it. Much to the disgust of Blair, Obama and assorted billionaires like Soros. I'm glad to see that that bit of democracy was eventually carried out.

Mike Gaynes. Aye, a good post, Mike! I think through the dark horrible days of the outbreak and pandemic of Covid, ToffeeWeb played its part in letting us communicate, tell jokes, talk politics, console each other, care for each other and generally stop us from going totally crackers, as well as chunnering merrily away about footy generally and the club we love in particular. It's what keeps us... us!

Well said, Danny, re our country and its services we take for granted and often criticise no end.

It's been another heartening discussion; including what the post started off about. Gana coming to Everton. If it's true, Welcome back, lad!

Jim Lloyd
237 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Tony (162) you disagree. But I don't agree with wokery at alI, and I never read The Sun nor The Mirror now. They are both pathetic papers. You're entitled to your views, but you are not calling me out. You are supporting the very wokey I abhor.
John Keating
238 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Well, I'm sure those who object to Gana's “bigotry” will not only contact the Club to object to his signing but also hand in their season tickets and refuse to watch our games.

Must be great being perfect.

Brian Wilkinson
239 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Got a book here, Ian Edwards, if you want it, by J R Hartley, something about fishing.

Anyway on to other matters a little off topic and apology Danny and others beforehand.

Our game against Forest on 20 August clashes with a rail strike for that day, unless resolved before then, with Arriva buses also still not running, I will have to come up with another way of trying to get to the match.

First thought was one of those old rail road carts, that is operated by two people pushing a lever up and down, are you free, Derek, to assist? :-)

Neil Copeland
240 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Brian #240, I travel to the game alone from Nantwich. If you or others for that matter, need a lift then let me know as I have 3/4 empty seats in the car.

I normally park off St Domingo Road so hopefully you are ok to walk from there.

Ian Edwards
241 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Brian 240. That is a really offensive comment. Would you say that to the rainbow laces? You are completely despicable.
Danny O’Neill
242 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Having joined the Army at 16 years old, Brian, I was never afforded the option of being part of a Union and, after 28 years of service, I've never bothered since.

I spent times doing things I didn't necessarily want to do, but had no choice in because I'd signed up. Away from the family for long periods and when I look back, not that well paid.

But I done it and wouldn't change it or complain about it. So I struggle with the strike thing in honesty.

Rail strikes. I guess it's British Airways and Uber then.

There's always a way.

Brian Wilkinson
243 Posted 02/08/2022 at
That's very kind ,Neil, Nantwich is a bit out of my area but hopefully might be fellow Evertonians closer and grateful for the offer.

I am more towards St Helens - Warrington side.

If Arriva solve their bus dispute, I am fine to catch a couple of buses, or the rail workers get their deserved pay rise, then all will be well.

Anyway, thanks again Neil for the offer.

Martin Mason
244 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Steve @228,

A few other things have happened since Brexit that have had a far bigger effect on our economy than Brexit has. As there was never one quantifiable benefit of the UK being in the EU, there can be no problem with leaving as long as we take advantage of our newly gained freedoms.

A real problem was having a Prime Minister as incompetent and directionless as Johnson.

Jim Lloyd
245 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Brian, can you get into st helens on that day?
Brian Harrison
246 Posted 02/08/2022 at
As many on here will know since Richarlison was sold I have been banging on and on about how we need a couple of strikers, as with letting Dobbin and Simms go on loan we only have Rondon as a back up to DCL.

The Bobble who is in the know is now reporting that DCL picked up an injury in training today and he might miss Saturdays game. Lampard and Thelwell have serious questions to answer why we still havent signed an out and out striker its over a month since Richarlison left.

Mike Gaynes
247 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Will #225, I understand your point, but I would respond that international organizations have always been an easy target -- the UN has always been a conservative bugbear -- when in fact they have very little impact on the lives of everyday people. What has accelerated the pace of change in today's world is technology, specifically the Internet. And yes, it's not the same "natural" process it once was. But I think it offers more opportunities than it denies.

Steavey #235, you haven't kept up. We have reached personal terms with Cornet but the financial negotiations with Burnley have bogged down. Reports say the two sides are far apart. They may pull it together closer to the end of the window.

Jim #237, Soros??? Really? Are you sure you want to go there? Or are you simply not aware of what that reference connotes? I'm very much hoping it's the latter.

Danny O’Neill
248 Posted 02/08/2022 at
I've posted these lyrics before but love the song from a Liverpool band. An edited extract from Story of the Blues.

First, they take your pride
Turn it all inside
And then you realise
You've got nothing left to lose

So, you try to stop
Try to get back up
And then, you realise
You're telling the Story of the B

And another one from the Mighty Wah filmed in 1980s Liverpool I think. Come Back. Please come back Everton. I'm willing to try. Come back!

The bird is blue. The city is ours.

It's nearly time. Come on Everton. Here we go.

Jim Lloyd
249 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Steve 228, I won't go on too much but a) inward invetment has increased, Our exports have increased. Fianncial services earnings are still increasing. I think the points re above inflation pay, and improving conditons of poorer people have been held back by 1st, the massive cost of a) fighting covid a b) supporting millions on furlough. Employment has never been so full, our technology is world class.
I'm not a great economist but this inflationm has been caused mainly by the War in Ukraine and the increaased demand for oil, since economies have expanded due to the succesdsd of beating the worst of covid. as for above inflation pay rises. It seems to me that's avicious circle as it increases the cost of living for us all. I don't think any of this has had to do with our leaving that mess of the european union.

Brian, I'll have that book on fishing! I'm after snooks! :)

Rob Halligan
250 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Brian, # 247, if that's true about DCL, then we are definitely going to be a bit light up top, because don't forget Rondon is suspended for the game on Saturday following his sending off against Brentford last season.
Robert Leigh
256 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Delighted for this.

Also reckon we’ll get Batsuayi and Ross, but on Monday. No chance Chelsea are selling to us before we play them.

Tommy Carter
257 Posted 02/08/2022 at
If it is true that we will pay a fee somewhere in the region of £8m for Gana Gueye then this is absolute insanity.

Is this true?

I would rather we spent £4m apiece on 2 championship level prospects and give them a chance.

Will Mabon
258 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Mike @ 248:

Little impact? The farmers in The Netherlands and many other places feeling the impact right now would disagree with you. World's second largest food exporter facing agenda-driven regulation that will devastate it. Coming to other countries very soon.

Our way of life as we know it is the target, Mike. The W.E.F and the U.N. and other globalist agencies are what's driving it.

The communications and other technology is now at a level that has helped enable this, at the rate it's happening. The plans however, go back much further.

As I've alluded above, and said before - it's all there to be seen and digested for those that wish to.

Pekka Harvilahti
259 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Colin (194) wrote: "An improvement on Tom Davies? Questionable".
It is questionable only for those who don't see or don't want to see.
Gana is better footballer than Tom in every way: he is faster, stronger, better tackler, does not lose the ball easily and seldom makes (non)forced mistakes.
Tom can make the good opening pass sometimes and he has scored 7 times in his 7 seasons but Gana did score 4 in 3 so he is just a little bit better even in that area.
I would have loved to see Davies become our new Peter Reid but it didn't happen. Part of the blame must be in our coaching department but after the ManC game (Jan 2017) and the huge promise, it just didn't happen.
Tom seems like a good, honest footballer but he just lacks the critical ingredients to make it to the top.
But being there, at PL, Everton needs those top players and last season we were all too close to end it.
So, if we get Gana for two years to guard the front of the defense, I'm more than happy.
The next question is, who will play DM next to him in the middle?
Allan might like a solid presser beside him and he could play great last season for us.
Doucure could enjoy the freedom of not being forced to play DM which he is not.
Other than those two there are not many other options than the youngsters (Warrington).
Gomes and Gbamin both look like they are not in Frank's plans so Gana looks like the best option for us in DM at the moment.
Jeff Armstrong
260 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Brian, 253-256, isn’t Wylie a red ?
Martin Greggor
261 Posted 02/08/2022 at
P Ron Wells 9 - thought most of your type died out 66 million years ago. Do us all a a favour and crawl back under your rock.
Jonathan Oppenheimer
262 Posted 02/08/2022 at
I wanted to stay out of this conversation about Gana's views on sexuality, but I think it's too important to avoid, because I don't think any of us want to cheer on a true bigot.

Let's be clear: there is no evidence he's a bigot, as he's never responded publicly about this issue. But even if he viewed homosexuality as sinful because of religious beliefs, that's a far cry from wanting people who identify as LGBT to suffer or be punished.

And even then, we have to view this in the context of him being from Senegal, where homosexual relationships are punishable by 5 years in prison.

As a man of the left who once wore a “marriage is so gay” shirt before it was cool, I'd love for more people with a platform to be freedom fighters, but it's unfair, unrealistic, and also often counterproductive if we think athletes are always going to be eloquent and knowledgeable about anti-discrimination policies and advocacy.

And we sure as heck don't further any cause when we pillory an athlete from another country and culture because he doesn't feel comfortable wearing a rainbow flag.

As one countryman said in an article I read trying to understand this hullabaloo, it would've been more strange to his fellow Senagalese if he had worn the shirt than when he didn't.

It's easy to say he should take a stand, but unfair and lacks an attempt to understand the complexity of where he may be coming from — which none of us actually do.

Welcome, Gana Gueye, until you're out there actively promoting discrimination.

Brian Wilkinson
263 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Hi Jim, I will check nearer the time re St Helens mate, think there might be another local bus, if the buses are resolved be fine catching the bus then the number 10 bus to Liverpool.

Are you at the Chelsea game Saturday, if so fancy a meet up with the regulars for a tipple.

Bill Gall
264 Posted 02/08/2022 at
With the UK leaving the EU and the changes that may be made, it reminds me that some older people may want to join their children who chose to start a new life in one of the Commonwealth Countries.

Word of warning that you most probably will not be told. If you are receiving a British Pension there will be no increases to it living in a Commonwealth Country. Live anywhere else in the world and you will receive the same as living in the UK.

Ed Prytherch
265 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Jim 250 The US inflation rate increased rapidly in early 2021, about 1 year before the invasion of Ukraine. Sure the invasion has contributed but it is not the main driver. Too much money in circulation and supply chain problems are the main drivers.
Martin Greggor
266 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Peter Bourke 147,

"Your comment is one of the ugliest I've seen on here in ages".

Wearing the rainbow armband is not about "promoting" homosexuality, it is about recognising that people should be respected whatever their sexuality. A concept you have a problem with obviously.

Gueye did not have a problem with wearing an alcohol-promoting shirt despite being muslim, so why should he have a problem with wearing a rainbow armband, laces whatever? Unless he is a bigot.

Jim Lloyd
267 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Sounds good Brian. think Derek's working on his tugboat on Saturday :) but yes, definitely!
Ed, thanks mate.
Dave Cashen
268 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Danny 174

I knew what you meant mate. We're on the same page on this.

After hearing Calvert- Lewin is doubtful for Saturday. I think our priorities have shifted big time.

I have no idea who will lead the line against Chelsea. A chance for someone to make a name for himself ?

Brian Murray
270 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Jeff post 261. More a music lover but yes another who jumped on kopite bandwagon aka cilla white a blue before she became cilla black
Soren Moyer
271 Posted 02/08/2022 at
I see we are being linked with Ludovic Ajorque, 6ft 6in Strasbourg striker today!!!!
Will Mabon
272 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Martin @ 267 - unless he is a bigot?

Where and when did it become incumbent upon anyone to overtly and publicly "Recognize" anything?

Bobby Mallon
273 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Tommy Carter stop it
Brian Wilkinson
274 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Yes Jim, Derek did mention something about tugging, I just hope our American overseas fans do not take it as another meaning :-)

Will let you pick the destination Jim, not that Keen on the Oak myself.

Pretty sure I will see Steve and Danny in town, just need listen out for one man went to mow and pretty sure Danny will be close by :-) only kidding Danny.

Bobby Mallon
275 Posted 02/08/2022 at
ToffeeWeb is slower than Gomes...
Jim Lloyd
276 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Hahah! Brian, I was think very carefully how to construct a sentence with pulling his tugboat along, in it :)!!

Not keen on the Oak myself mate. Depending when we can meet up then there's orry's in city road. (The old Everton supporters club and an even older flicks!) If so and Steve and Danny have another idea, then i'm happy to go wherever. Danny isn't a farmer is he?

Paul Birmingham
278 Posted 02/08/2022 at
All considered, bearing the FFP constraints, impacting Everton, I'm glad to have got Gana back, as it seems is gonna happen, and hopefully he will provide some dynamism in the midfield.

Another striker and let's see, but DCL being rumoured to be injured before the season starts leaves Everton with no punch upfront.

Let's see, and if the midfield will be up for scoring some goals.

Hopefully Chelsea won't have gelled yet, let's hope so.

Tommy Carter
279 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Bob @274,

Stop what, Bob?

Does nobody else think spending £8M on a player soon to be 33, is lunacy?

Colin Glassar
280 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Soren 272, Ludovic Kennedy would be a better option than this lump.
Robert Tressell
281 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Tommy, I wouldn't mind so much if he were free. As I've said earlier in the thread it's a very expensive / short termisr way to gain a bit of depth if Allan stays or a replacement if he goes. It also leaves us in a fix summer 2023 when the contracts of Allan, Doucoure and Davies expire.

I think the real problem is exposed by DCLs injury news today. The fee / wages now earmarked for Gueye rob us of the money we need for the more urgent recruitment of striker competition.

Leeds seem close to buying Kalimuendo from PSG - a young forward of considerable talent / end product squeezed out by their wealth in attack and recent acquisition of possibly the new8 Henry in Ekitike. The fee will be about £17m.

That sort of signing would give us a stronger squad - and over an extended period - compared to the near 33 year old Gueye.

Danny: to your earlier comment about good squads needing youth and experience, that is true - but very few buy in their experience. Most wise heads at successful clubs were acquired at a much younger age and give their prime to the club. We only buy old because we can't afford someone in their prime. Big difference.

Paul Birmingham
282 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Getting the tempo for The start of this season and I'm watching Premier League icons, and Duncan Ferguson.
Fair play he scored some great goals, from great deliveries and simple attacking football.

If Everton can get their act together on Saturday, and get a good result it will be a very good day and great start.

Let’s show the rest, and let them worry about Everton.

“Whats Our Name?”

Tommy Carter
283 Posted 02/08/2022 at
@ Robert

Gana on a free or season long loan is an awesome deal

Gana for £8m is a terrible one

Colin Wordsworth
284 Posted 02/08/2022 at

I totally agree – has anyone on this site seen Gueye play in the Premier League in the last 3 years? Or anywhere live for that matter? Nobody can say, hand on heart, that he is not past it! No-one can say how quick or slow he is.

A huge gamble and a lot of money for another potential has-been. He will not be the player that left us. I feel that we need a hungry young defensive midfielder who is the future and not a blue-tinted past.

Bernie Quinn
286 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Mike @223,

Having read your post, I have to wonder if you are related to Atticus Finch!

I'll put my tin hat on now – I don't really rate Calvert-Lewin as our striker, and if he is missing at the weekend, then so be it. I'm sure Frank will have someone in the squad to replace him temporarily.

I'll be glad though when we do sign another striker – we surely need one.

Brian Wilkinson
288 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Ha ha, no, Jim, Danny's not a farmer – just a little in-joke with the lads as he is the pied piper of away fans, last time we had a chorus of I'm Forever Blowing Bubbles, in The Crown.

He's a good lad did, you not come in The Crown with us last year, after the West Ham game?

Derek will love your tugboat quote, likes a good innuendo, our Derek does.

See what the others think then, Jim, I am fine meeting anywhere you recommend.

Bernie Quinn
289 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Danny @ 220,

I have always been against the Common Market (as it was back in the 1960s) and was please when the UK voted in favour of Brexit.

I'm reminded of the TV Show "Yes, Prime Minister" when Sir Humphrey was explaining to the PM why we should keep 'The Bomb'. Jim said "But we are now friends with Russia" and Sir Humphrey exclaimed "I'm not talking about Russia – it's France we should be worried about"!

Obviously he could see into the future. Never trust the Frogs!

Ray Smith
291 Posted 02/08/2022 at
I appreciate that Thelwell et al are keeping their powder dry. But the current situation is becoming unbearable in respect of quality signing!

We have irons in the fire (apparently) but nothing forthcoming. I hope I'm wrong, but another last day scramble is on the horizon again.

Good old Bill Kenwright!!!

Trevor Peers
292 Posted 03/08/2022 at
Pleased we're signing Gueye, we just need the illusive extra striker to maintain our mediocrity for this season, I would hope anyway, unless something goes badly wrong.

On the question of leaving Europe, some of the comments on here are extremely naïve to say the least. Being in Europe was our guarantee for the future prosperity of our children which has now been robbed off them. Instead, we face decades of economic decline and chaos, we're governed by right-wing crackpots like Reece-Mogg and his ilk, whose only ambitions are to get rich quick by offloading his millions into offshore tax havens.

Meanwhile working people are being shafted with ever-increasing food and fuel bills which are directly caused by leaving our biggest trading block partner. I can't think of a single good economic reason why we left the EU. Quoting the ridiculous notion of different weights and measures, along with the big red bus, was the biggest con trick in our history and we are all going to pay and already are, especially the Northern Irish, a horrendous price economically and socially.

Except of course the rich millionaires who are making and squirrelling away huge amounts of untaxable profits, so sad to see the country in such a mess. So sad to read people's apathy to our own demise.

Bob Parrington
293 Posted 03/08/2022 at
Jim @237 - Cock a snook at - made me chuckle and think of Water off a duck's back.

Fun to be on TWeb. Enjoyed the irony of all the negative comments about Dwight McNeil not being a goal scorer and then he scores 2 in his first game for us. Just now wondering how Gana will perform for us if the deal goes through and then look back at the corresponding posts on here. If he signs, I hope he does really well. Only time will tell!

Mike @248 - Good post but what is the story of Soros? I was under the impression he is a philanthropist, who has given away more than he has kept.

Danny O’Neill
294 Posted 03/08/2022 at
I've been called many things in life, but not a farmer!! I do have a habit of making friends with away fans. I might need therapy.

Final one on the EU, I don't share the doom-mongering outlook. I work for a company with it's HQ in the EU. I employ one of my teams based in the EU that complements teams in the UK and US. I've not seen any change. When I go to airports, none of this supposed disruption. I go to a different passport queue. But I did anyway because we were not in Schengen. Ever. When I go Skiing, once I get through Passport Control at Munich, I'm free to drive through Germany into Austria and onto Italy without being checked. No change.

A minor observation. When I go through an EU airport, I get directed to the "all other passports" queue. When I enter Heathrow, EU citizens are directed to the same queue as UK citizens. We are being a little less petulant than the EU in my opinion.

My view; as I've said, the UK always had an uncomfortable relationship, so I think we'll actually be more cooperative out than in, once they get over it. Personal opinion; the UK was a promoter and supporter of an economic partnership. When it went wrong is when talk of political union started to gather momentum.

Bernie; friends with the Russians? Funny that. As someone who spent the first years of his career with Soviet Troops still in Germany, Czechoslovakia and Poland, I often quote the irony that here we are again. Not quite a Neville Chamberlain moment, but trying to cosy up to Putin? But the UK has been quite vocal against him. Unlike some of our European partners who cosied up to him.

Enough of all that. Dave @269. I too have no idea. Dobbin – but he's more of an attacking midfielder from the little I've seen of him? And when I've watched him, the tendency has been to play him outside of the 3 behind the striker. Unless we pull a rabbit out of the hat before Saturday, I can see us playing without a striker.

Worked for City last season right?!!!

Ian Hollingworth
295 Posted 03/08/2022 at
Danny @295, spot on – not for the first time on this thread – especially about the EU.
Jerome Shields
296 Posted 03/08/2022 at
Bill #265,

That is a blatant injustice that no UK politician or the government can explain or is interested in addressing. It was raise during Brexit and completely ignored. Out of sight, out of mind. They would even fight against changing it through the courts to the highest level.

Geoff Trenner
298 Posted 03/08/2022 at
Jonathan@ 263. As a man of the right, I agree with you.
Paul Johnson
299 Posted 03/08/2022 at
Sorry, Danny, I know we are the same age profile as I read your posts. But I am currently visiting friends in the US and, with all due respects, buddy, there was fuck-all wrong with the world until glorified hedgehunters decided the world needed changeing – and fuck me, they have changed it.

Flight delays, cancellations, quues, blue passports… As my mate in the US says “Say what?” Some fuckers are making too much money and all we are doing is complaining and putting up with shit.

Ducked me not politics but it is! £7 billion profit for BP in a 3-month cycle and gas bills are out of control and we are paying 3 times as much for petrol as the US.

Sorry, guys, we have to get real. DCL sell the fucker for big dough. Coz seriously the world is fucked – and EFC as we think we know it. 1878 does not exist anymore and we cannot compete because our current board doesn't understand globally where it needs to compete.

Bernie Quinn
300 Posted 03/08/2022 at
Danny at 295 - Hold on there Mate - I never said friends with Russia! That was PM Jim Hackett to Sir Humphrey in the TV show.
Chris Leyland
301 Posted 03/08/2022 at
Danny - there is one massive change you seem to have missed: the right to live and work freely in Europe without restriction. A right snatched away from our children as part of the biggest act of economic self-harm in generations by a bunch of opportunist jingoist politicians and their billionaire backers.

The only people benefitting from Brexit are these rich tax-avoiders whilst the average man on the street struggles to heat his home, fill his car with petrol and put food on the table. The rich are getting richer and disaster capitalism is booming.

But hey, we've got blue passports and those EU burecrats can't impose all that rubbish stuff like consumer rights and minimum safety standards on us anymore. We can now freely dump our British sewage into our British rivers without interference from Brussels.

As for us supposedly not cosying up to Putin, I wonder what all that Russian money that the Conservative party has accepted over the past 10 years in donations was for? I'm sure that those wealthy Russian donors didn't expect anything in return and that the reason that the so-called Russia Report into interference and influence on UK politics had never seen the light of day is simply a massive coincidence.

Danny O’Neill
302 Posted 03/08/2022 at
I know, Bernie. The quote just made me smile!!

Paul, I'm a regular traveller to the States and Europe. I have a property in the US and have been to 30 of the 50 States, both on personal and professional visits. So maybe I'm just lucky. Way back before Covid and Brexit, it was common place to circle around Heathrow in the air for ages waiting for a landing slot, creating knock on delays. As for queues, well, US Customs has given me some of my longest waits. Houston in 2013 springs to mind. It honestly took nearly 2 hours to get through.

I appreciate there are issues with post-Covid staffing levels and I'm not in denial, but I'm really not experiencing much difference on my travels.

Don't worry, once Saturday comes, all will be fine and the world will feel a better place!!

Danny O’Neill
303 Posted 03/08/2022 at
Touche, Chris.

I think the UK has historically taken more of a stance against Russia politically, but yes, business-wise we opened up.

Yes, the right to work and live in the EU (not Europe) is a big change. But it's just a different process to follow as it would be if I wanted to live and work in the US.

Self harm? Time will tell. The 1970s wasn't a great economic period for this country. As I keep saying, I actually think we'll be more of a cooperative partner now, once the dust settles.

And you don't know how I voted, by the way!!!

Brian Murray
304 Posted 03/08/2022 at

I refused to pay Maggie’s poll tax in the ‘80s and so I've never been on a voting register for a long time. Probably owe them thousands in council tax. Bring your own bottle party is the only one I'd put an x in front of.

Danny O’Neill
305 Posted 03/08/2022 at
Have to admit, Brian, I've never been a regular voter to be honest.

Don't talk to me about my relationship with the taxman. Hammers me every year. I think I'm too honest.

George Cumiskey
306 Posted 03/08/2022 at
Chris Leyland, but we've still got the good old British banger and the pint glass, so the massive queues at Dover, the loss of workers' rights, the cost of living crisis, and not ab...
George Cumiskey
307 Posted 03/08/2022 at
To finish my post, and not able to pay our fuel bills is well worth it! Lol you couldn't make it up!
Danny O’Neill
308 Posted 03/08/2022 at
Fuel prices are up everywhere, George. That's not a UK or EU thing.
Brent Stephens
309 Posted 03/08/2022 at
Now we've got the promised economic benefits of Brexit, perhaps we can start to make big inroads into that "unacceptabe" level of national debt? A decade late but what the hell.
Danny O’Neill
310 Posted 03/08/2022 at
I'm stepping away from the politics now. Some are passionate either way, I'm actually quite indifferent.

Have we signed Gueye and where is our striker? I'll stretch my hamstrings just in case.

Martin Mason
311 Posted 03/08/2022 at
Chris @302,

I and many other Brits worked and lived in what is now the EU well before the EU was formed. There has always been free movement in Europe. What was quantified as it seems to be only a benefit for the individual?

Karl Meighan
312 Posted 03/08/2022 at
No, Colin @285, he might not be the player who left us, he may be better having played in a trophy-winning team with world class players and be 3 years more experienced.

There is a gamble with all transfers, Gibbs-White would cost £25-30M or thereabouts yet that's not based on anything other than potential. Very different type of player... however, if Gueye is fit, we know what were getting and only time will tell if the fee makes him overpriced.

Delph is no longer here so his huge wages should take care of the fees needed to get Gueye if he does sign.

Brian Harrison
313 Posted 03/08/2022 at
Every time I look at Twitter and look at people who can be trusted with information, I have been hearing for nearly a week that Everton have agreed a deal with PSG to re-sign Gueye.

Everyday, it's the same – the player wants to come, the deal is agreed, and they are just finalising the last few details.

So if the fee is agreed with PSG and the player wants to come, how come we haven't seen Gueye at Finch farm???

Brian Murray
314 Posted 03/08/2022 at
If the deal is not done today, Saturday's game is too late for gana. Buffoons... Filofax needs oiling sharpish.
Dave Lynch
316 Posted 03/08/2022 at

Like me arl fella says.

We never voted to go in the EU, we voted to enter the common market... free trade around Europe.

The EU has silently morphed out of that and created an old boys network for free loaders and policy makers.

Peter Neilson
317 Posted 03/08/2022 at
Brian (314),

I think that any delay could be caused by him needing a new work permit. The club needs to get this confirmed with the Home Office before the Premier League will allow his registration.

Andrew Clare
318 Posted 03/08/2022 at
Dave #317,

I think your last sentence says more about our government than the EU. Leaving the EU has been disastrous for the UK. Our plight has little to do with Covid or the conflict in Ukraine. The European countries are dealing with Covid and rising energy prices far better than our self-serving government, who actually couldn't care less about us the general population.

Dave Abrahams
319 Posted 03/08/2022 at
Dave (317), you are correct Dave that we never voted to join EU but would you agree that we voted to come out of the EU to a much worse deal than we had with the EU to the one we now have?

I voted to remain myself.

John Keating
320 Posted 03/08/2022 at
Arrived in Denmark for a few days on Monday. Transited through Schiphol. Got my passport stamped: no queue, no waiting. Arrived in Denmark, picked up my bag and jumped a taxi.

When heading home the same way, it will be stamped out at Schiphol.

In July, I landed in Athens, stamped in. Toured Europe and came home via Barcelona where I was stamped out.

There will be travel issues at times, there were before Brexit, don't listen to the doom-and-gloom merchants.

Jim Harrison
321 Posted 03/08/2022 at
Brexit is a crock of shit.

Anyone having a debate about wokery from either side needs to give their head a wobble.

And lastly, but most importantly, anyone advocating for Tom Davies to be anywhere near a pitch in Everton related attire needs a serious word.

Larry O'Hara
322 Posted 03/08/2022 at
As stated above, the problem wasn't leaving the EU but the terms: we should not have paid the sums EU has extorted and continues to.

Yes, the current government are swindlers and fakes but so is Starmer. I voted for Corbyn myself and proud of it.

Enough politics: just one Cornet[o] for me…

Michael Kenrick
323 Posted 03/08/2022 at
Chris @302,

As the so-called Russia Report was in fact published last month, how many of your other claims should I also treat as being completely false?

Steve Brown
324 Posted 03/08/2022 at
Jim @ 250, like Danny I am a bit indifferent to the Brexit debate but there are a few points you made that just aren't correct.

Investment has increased - it hasn't.

UK trade as a share of GDP is more than 6 percent below its Q1 2017 level. Between 2017 and 2020, average UK Foreign Direct Investment inflows as a share of GDP dropped to its lowest level since the 1980s.

Our exports have increased - they haven't.

UK is now underperforming over the long term as it is the only country tracked where goods exports remained below the 2010 average. Brexit led to a 14% decrease in exports to the EU in 2021

Inflationary pressures resulted from fighting Covid, furlough and/or the Ukraine-Russia conflict - not entirely right.

The Consumer Prices Index (CPI) rose by 5.5% in the 12 months to January 2022, predating the Ukraine-Russia conflict. The largest upward contributions to the change in the CPIH 12-month inflation rate between December 2021 and January 2022 came from basic items - clothing and footwear, housing and household services, and furniture and household goods.

Given employment rates rose by 424k compared to pre-Covid levels, more people were in employment and able to afford these basic items.

The economy has benefited from Brexit:

In March, Michael Saunders, external member of the Bank of England’s Monetary Policy Committee said that Brexit had “reduced the economy’s openness, in trade and labour mobility”, which lowered the extent to which capacity pressures could be eased by imports and immigration.

Our technology is world class - you may be right on this one.

Venture Capital investment into UK technology startups saw the biggest annual opening on record despite the start of global economic uncertainty, with $11.3bn raised in Q1 of 2022 compared to $7.9bn in Q1 of 2021. So we are seeing investment in technology start-ups but it has decreased in the wider economy.

Better public services will result from Brexit - erm...

NHS waits for care have continued to grow with the number of people waiting over a year for elective care rising to just under 300,000 by February 2022. Access to emergency care, mental health, primary care, community care and social care have also deteriorated.

Brexit always appeared to be a political decision rather than an economic one to me, and I think that has been born out. We have control of our own borders, can set our own laws (in theory) but it has impacted our economy and not improved public services.

Anyway, back to football.

Danny O’Neill
325 Posted 03/08/2022 at
I said I was stepping away. But for those who despise political bubbles and self-serving gravy trains reaping the benefits of tax payers. There is no better example than Brussels.

I think both sides of the debate gets hooked on the media coverage and hysteria.

It's like the Northern Ireland border. I spent 3 years of my life there. Yes there were check points and towers in certain areas. But there were also hundreds of miles of invisible unchecked border that I often strayed across myself before realising I was not were I was supposed to be. Days before SatNav.

I revisit where I used to live on the Dutch-German border every year and go to watch a Schalke game. Once I've easily cleared Passport Control at Dusseldorf, I can happily walk and cycle between Germany and the Netherlands without any checks. I love Europe and it's diverse cultures. That's why I can't wait for Everton to return next year.

The Dover queues. Didn't the French authorities play down the BBC hysteria and state it was a technical hitch? I've always had my Passport checked at Calais or Dunkirk when I make the trip to Iper (Ypres) to visit the battlefields that many of our citizens sacrificed their lives liberating Europe from real oppression. And not just once.

I said I'd leave it. I will. Saturday is coming.

Steve - yes. Let's get back to the football!

Sam Hoare
326 Posted 03/08/2022 at
Danny, we have different views on Brexit I think but similar views on mutual hysteria not helping. The name calling on either side is petulant and unnecessarily divisive. A football forum is usually a good place to find people who disagree about certain matters but can communicate those differences without resorting to name-calling and putting the other person in a box. Aggressive tribalism depresses me greatly but maybe its the human condition.

Anyway, back onto footy! I'm on the fence about Gueye still as i'd always prefer longer term plans but I can see the sense in it. The big move now will be which forward we bring in. Dennis looks handy to me and ideally we need someone who could be our first choice CF as DCL is seemingly not to be relied upon. If he's out for a long time I really worry where are goals will come from.

Stephen Davies
327 Posted 03/08/2022 at
Michael (@324)

That is correct. Here's an extract:

Case study: the EU referendum

39. There have been widespread public allegations that Russia sought to influence the 2016 referendum on the UK's membership of the EU. The impact of any such attempts would be difficult – if not impossible – to assess, and we have not sought to do so. However, it is important to establish whether a hostile state took deliberate action with the aim of influencing a UK democratic process, irrespective of whether it was successful or not.

40. Open source studies have pointed to the preponderance of pro-Brexit or anti-EU stories on RT and Sputnik, and the use of ‘bots' and ‘trolls', as evidence of Russian attempts to influence the process. We have sought to establish whether there is secret intelligence which supported or built on these studies. In response to our request for written evidence at the outset of the Inquiry, MI5 initially provided just six lines of text. It stated that ***, before referring to academic studies. This was noteworthy in terms of the way it was couched (***) and the reference to open source studies ***. The brevity was also, to us, again, indicative of the extreme caution amongst the intelligence and security Agencies at the thought that they might have any role in relation to the UK's democratic processes, and particularly one as contentious as the EU referendum. We repeat that this attitude is illogical; this is about the protection of the process and mechanism from hostile state interference, which should fall to our intelligence and security Agencies.

The Committee believes that it is important that Parliament and the public should be able to see where information had to be redacted: redactions are clearly indicated in the report by ***. This means that the published report is the same as the classified version sent to the Prime Minister (albeit with redactions).

Danny O’Neill
328 Posted 03/08/2022 at
I don't think we're too different, Sam. You're right though, it's democracy and this site is great for debate on all matters. I learn from so many people and not just about football.

I was surprised to wake up to the news of the result when I was in the US in 2016. I think the percentage of the vote demonstrates how the country was split literally down the middle.

I guess I just don't buy into the hysteria that the end is nigh. I grew up in the 1970s and 1980s and the UK was in a much worse position then than it is now.

I genuinely believe that, once the dust settles, Paris, Brussels and most importantly Berlin get over it, we'll all be friends again and get on fine. A bit like being binned by your girlfriend, they're still licking their wounds. I doubt very much there would have been this reaction had it been Portugal or Greece.

Despite the rhetoric, France and the UK has a very strong intelligence and military bilateral alliance. Germany has great affection for us for what we stood for during the Cold War and faced the Soviets in the face on their behalf when we had up to 60,000 troops stationed in their country as a deterrent. I genuinely think they love our Royal Family more than we do.

But yes, to the football. I'd be pleased to see Gueye back, but he's definitely a short-term stop-gap for a long-term problem. And that striker? It's been emerging as an issue for years now that we've let go under the radar because we've focussed on defending deep, keep it tight and nick one.

Danny O’Neill
329 Posted 03/08/2022 at
I don't think we're too different, Sam. You're right though – it's democracy and this site is great for debate on all matters. I learn from so many people and not just about football.

I was surprised to wake up to the news of the Rexit referendum result when I was in the US in 2016. I think the percentage of the vote demonstrates how the country was split literally down the middle.

I guess I just don't buy into the hysteria that the end is nigh. I grew up in the 1970s and 80s and the UK was in a much worse position then than it is now. I genuinely believe that, once the dust settles, Paris, Brussels and most importantly Berlin get over it we'll all be friends again and get on fine. A bit like being binned by your girlfriend, they're still licking their wounds. I doubt very much there would have been this reaction had it been Portugal or Greece.

Despite the overt rhetoric, France and the UK has a very strong intelligence and military bilateral alliance. Germany has great affection for us for what we stood for during the Cold War and faced the Soviets in the face on their behalf we up to 60,000 troops stationed in their country as a deterrence. I genuinely think they love our Royal Family more than we do.

But yes, to the football. I'd be pleased to see Gueye back, but he's definitely a short-term stop gap for a long-term problem that I trust the DoF is all over, both from getting an established player in and pinning our hopes on the likes of Lewis Warrington.

And that striker? It's been emerging as an issue for years now that we've let go under the radar because we've focussed on defending deep. Keep it tight and nick one.

I'll probably miss a few here, but a disappointing Duncan Ferguson, who was the legend before the player, as Joe Royle stated – now he knew something about being a centre-forward. The corner-flag chasing Marcus Bent. The unfit dud that was James Beattie. The enigma that was Radzinski. The all-too-quick hope that was Jelavic until we somehow managed to turn him into Marcus Bent rather than leave him where he was effective; dropping off the shoulder in the 6-yard box to sweep one home. The fact we viewed Stracqualursi as a cult figure shows how starved we've been. Niasse… I don't really have any words.

Bill Watson
330 Posted 03/08/2022 at
Danny #330

The 1970s was the decade when, for the first time, ordinary people could aspire to buying their own homes, a car, and were able to afford foreign holidays.

The Establishment was appalled and fought back to maintain the status quo. It started with the election of Thatcher and, apart from the early years of Blair, the post war gains have gradually been clawed back.

We now live in a zero-hour contract, high-rent insecure world where, for the first time in living memory, the children are worse off than their parents.

The NHS is crippled, the ports and airports are paralysed, the fishing industry is broken and the Good Friday Agreement has been ripped up. Our trade with the world's biggest trading block has fallen off a cliff etc etc and the next PM is likely to be the Thatcher wannabe, Liz Truss.

This country is broken.

Trevor Peers
331 Posted 03/08/2022 at
Danny @329, if you read Steve@325, you will see the real effects of Brexit which are all painfully negative to most of us.

Back to the football, I think as others have suggested, we should've sold Calvert-Lewin by now for £50M and invested it in Cornet and Dennis, then at least we might have a chance of avoiding the dreaded relegation zone. Calvert-Lewin is now out for 3 months by the way.

As things stand, we will struggle to score enough goals and therefore gain enough points. Why this issue has not already been sorted out by now is anyone's guess, but Everton are a badly run club. Lampard will be getting slowly disillusioned and frustrated with this inertia and could possibly bail out, if a better offer came along, who knows?

Danny O’Neill
332 Posted 03/08/2022 at
Bill, I guess life is about experience and individual ones at that.

Mine of the 70s is one of a depressing period, strikes and then riots as we hit the 80s. I think the country was more broken then than now.

I've flown 3 times in the past 2 months. The airports seemed normal to me.

Stephen Davies
333 Posted 03/08/2022 at
Danny depends where you fly to. Friend of mine went to Majorca last week.2 hour wait to get thru passport control (every passport needs to be stamped.. before you were usually waved thru). From May next year it will be bio metric.
Danny O’Neill
334 Posted 03/08/2022 at
As I said earlier, I've spent many hours in US airports trying to get through Passport control.

Munich, Amsterdam, they are all busy and always were.

Dusseldorf can be, but at least there is a bar right next to the gate, so you can watch and dip for the line.

Bill Gall
335 Posted 03/08/2022 at
Jerome #297,

Talking about governments. When not in power as the official opposition, they go on about it being unfair and if they get in they will change it, but they never do.

My example and the wife's are, we both worked for just over 20 years in the UK that gave us a small pension, that we started receiving, the only change we get is the difference between the pound and the Canadian dollar. There is no change in the amount from the UK. when we first started receiving it in 2006

Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
336 Posted 03/08/2022 at
Now I have finally been able to log back in.

So we loaned Gueye to PSG for 3 years at just under £10m a year.

Not a bad bit of business when you look at it that way. Sadly we did not spend this loan fee wisely.

Michael Kenrick
337 Posted 03/08/2022 at
Thanks, Stephen @328, I found it online and finished off your quoted section... not that it makes much sense with those bloody redactions.

And the thing is so out of date. More than 2½ years in the review, editing and redacting phase... and the redactions make it ridiculous to read.

And Ukraine was nowhere on the agenda back then. Not a single mention.

Peter Hodgson
338 Posted 03/08/2022 at
Trevor @332,

Ignoring your comment on airports and therefore Brexit, as it has nothing to do with Everton.

The remainder of your post is however very relevant. I don't know, and can't fathom out, why we have done nothing to bring in a centre-forward who can score goals particularly as we have sold Richarlison and Calvert-Lewin has been injured virtually throughout last season, so we are left without anyone capable of scoring the amount of goals we all know are necessary. This has been the case since Lukaku left and we pocketed the substantial fee we obtained for him.

Cockeyed spending on less-than-useful midfielders and wingers seems to have been the order of the day for some reason. Now that we are days from starting a new season, we will probably end up doing what we have done for the past few years and that is gambling on an unproven goal 'scorer' and hope that he comes good. Probably fat chance of that happening.

Or we might end up making the excuse that a set of circumstances beyond our control have conspired to the fact that we are without a player who can score the goals we need to maintain our Premier League status. Whatever happens, we are going to be in the mire again this season and somebody is to blame and it isn't Lampard.

We are going to need Gana as he should provide some strength in a defensive midfield we will need to rely on more than ever this season.

Will Mabon
339 Posted 03/08/2022 at
Bill @ 331:

I agree with your observations.

I will say that the general direction of society and the various measures and markers are planned over a longer period than is commonly realized; the actual effects and actions of the sitting government on proceedings are not so random and attributable to individuals, such as, "Maggie did this, Blair did that...".

"We now live in a zero-hour contract, high-rent insecure world where, for the first time in living memory, the children are worse off than their parents."

Yep - and not by accident... and it will continue to degrade, it's meant to. Home ownership near impossible, renting tough, student debt, car ownership untenable, saving near impossible, it goes on.

If one looks at the openly stated aims and goals of the global bodies pulling the strings, lo and behold, the younger generation are being steered exactly onto that path.

"You will own nothing and be happy".

For anyone interested that's unfamiliar with that phrase, go find it and do some reading. There's a big plan at work. What's written above is just a part of it. Left, Right, Red, Blue, is minor detail at this point.

Martin Mason
342 Posted 03/08/2022 at
Bill @331 Yes, amazing wasn't it? I was the first working-class person in our area to go to University and that was in the '70s. I got an unconditional full grant and money from my Old Man's Union.

There was full employment and the North Sea and, by the end of the decade, I was working abroad and had bought a 3-bed detached bungalow for £16k. We were in really steep decline though, the pound was diving, and we needed rescuing by the IMF?

At the start of the decade Everton were simply the best, our decline matched that of the country. It wasn't Bill Kenwright... honest.

Martin Mason
343 Posted 03/08/2022 at
Stephen @342

A question? What exactly is wrong with all that? Last time I looked it wasn't illegal to be Conservative. I'm Conservative and I am proud of it. What influence do they have compared with the lefties that make up the WEF/G7 and meet every year in Davos to decide how the world will be run and how you will be made destitute. What is their influence compared to the truly mega rich like Gates?

Jack Convery
346 Posted 03/08/2022 at
Alan Myers saying the Gueye transfer is on track!! What Track? How long is this bloody track?? Is it there and back again to the moon in length??? The Apollo missions went to the moon and back quicker than we can get a 32-year-old ex-player from Paris to John Lennon Airport.

Do us a favour, EFC, go back to your strategic review. Navel gazing is what you do best.

Now I like Gueye and would welcome him back. However, Check Kouyate is free at present, That means no transfer fee and certainly not a £100k a week in wages as is being reported.

Check Kouyate is 32, just like Gueye, and has spent the last 8 years in the Premier League with West Ham Utd and Crystal Palace, so he knows the score. Apart from defensive midfield which he plays, he can also play at centre-back too. Just saying.

Tony Abrahams
355 Posted 03/08/2022 at
Whilst Everton have declined, I doubt Bill Kenwright has ever had it so good, Martin. The man's visionary idea has even enabled him to purchase a theatre from Andy Lloyd Webber but I'm just glad he's only ever had Everton's best interests at heart.

I love asking these socialist Liverpudlians who love singing "Fuck the Tories" – have they ever read the articles about how their club ran the area around Anfield into the ground just so they could buy the houses from the local residents on the cheap?

The most ignorant reply I've received was, “That was years ago”, proving that sometimes, time really can be a great healer!

Gary Jones
356 Posted 03/08/2022 at
Stephen “Kinnock” babes, one final bit of advice: no matter how much you bang your little feet up and down on ‘forums’, you will not influence a single vote, let alone the outcome of one…..
Neil Copeland
360 Posted 03/08/2022 at
In response to some earlier posts; for what it is worth, there were no problems at any of the following airports that I saw in July; Manchester, Reykjavik, Dulles, Baltimore (BWI), Minneapolis.

The only issue we had (apart from the shite football played, lol) was a 2-hour delay from Reykjavik to Manchester caused by a technical issue which I assume can happen any time.

John Pickles
361 Posted 03/08/2022 at
Neil #361. Then you are very lucky, I work in the industry and it is a mess at the moment. Not enough staff in many countries mean nearly all flights are delayed or cancelled.
Brent Stephens
362 Posted 03/08/2022 at
Any news on Godot yet? Haven't heard a thing all day. Tired of waiting.
John Kavanagh
363 Posted 03/08/2022 at
Panic not, folks, it will be a done deal and all in good time with our uber pragmatic Chairman and ace negotiator in charge. It'll all be over by Christmas. Whether that's the transfer or our chance of remaining in the top flight, we'll have to wait and see. Watch this space!!!!!
Colin Glassar
364 Posted 03/08/2022 at
He’s been chatting to Rodin’s thinker, Brent.
Brent Stephens
365 Posted 03/08/2022 at
Colin, we could have a famous line-up before we know it. No statues, though.
Colin Glassar
367 Posted 03/08/2022 at
Brent, if this carries on I might just do a Munch like scream!
Brent Stephens
368 Posted 03/08/2022 at
And I can look enigmatic, Colin.
Laurie Hartley
369 Posted 03/08/2022 at
Jim Lloyd # - 250 - “I'm not a great economist but this inflation has been caused mainly by the War in Ukraine”. The powers that be would like us to believe that but I don't. Here is a different perspective:-

The printing of “money”

Here in Australia:

Cost of food and other essential items going through the roof
Mortgage rates increasing rapidly
House prices (values) dropping
Electricity and Gas prices increasing
Super savings getting hammered
Etc, etc

To cap it all off, Optus sport have put my Premier League subscription up from $14.99 a month to $24.99 a month. War in the Ukraine???

There is a far bigger picture here.

Danny O’Neill
370 Posted 04/08/2022 at
Those socialist Liverpudlians, Tony. "Scouse, not English" they say. Before heading back to Devon, South Wales, London and Essex and their City jobs. Don't start me.

I don't deny anyone the chance to better themselves. But don't try to be something you're not. Maybe it's because I live amongst the plastics but they make my blood boil and I hate them more than when I lived in the city.

Says me. London resident!!

I remember when they were building the now Centenary Stand to replace the Kemlyn Road. They had bought up all the houses but were delayed for about a decade at least because 3 ladies – Evertonians apparently – refused to sell. Their house and the boarded-up ones either side, stood there alone for years.

I don't know if it's a myth. My step-grandmother was a Kopite, but that's the story she often told me and reminded me of as we walked past to go to the butchers on Walton Breck Road.

I always remember that place as, when you paid the man, you threw the money in his bucket. Then I got to go to the programme shop on the corner near the Kop. I was a bit of a programme collector in those days. Small memories in life!!!

Bill Watson
371 Posted 04/08/2022 at
Danny #371

I worked on the Echo publicity at that time and often chatted to one of the sisters (I think there were two). They weren't blues but just objected to what the RS were doing and the derisory amount of compensation which was being offered.

Interestingly, the Gwladys Street stand was held up in a similar way. A row of terraced houses needed to be demolished and one guy refused to go, holding up the project for a few years.

Jeff Armstrong
372 Posted 07/08/2022 at 16:35:26
Forest sniffing about now
Brian Murray
373 Posted 09/08/2022 at 15:39:25
Gana apparently wants more time to think about the move which means either he wants us to match or be close to the wages he’s on which he has no chance despite him knowing he had no future there or he’s waiting closer to the window ends.

Either way, move on... focus on two strikers and use his wage for someone who wants to come here.

Jack Convery
374 Posted 09/08/2022 at 16:22:31
If Gueye is dithering about coming, then go and get Cheikhou Kouyaté. Crystal Palace offered him a new contract, which he turned down.

He's the same age as Gueye and like him plays for Senegal - 82 caps. He will want to go to the World Cup so he needs to find a team asap. He's on a free, so only his wages to pay.

He's had 8 seasons in the Premier League: 4 each with West Ham and Palace, so he knows the score. He's primarily a defensive midfielder and can play centre- back if needed. It's a no-brainer for me.

Will Mabon
375 Posted 09/08/2022 at 16:29:40
So far, it's only on this thread that I've read of Gueye drawing out his decision. Should he choose to stretch our offer to the limit, it would rather thin any sort of goodwil or Everton feelings element attached to his return.

Hope it's not so – not a good scenario, moreso in contrast to the signings made so far.

Hugh Jenkins
376 Posted 09/08/2022 at 17:54:08
Elsewhere, I have read, that the Gueye deal is definitely done and that all that is holding it up now is he is negotiating compensation – or his "loyalty" payment – with PSG.

Word is, it will all be done and dusted before midday Friday and he will be available for selection on Saturday.

Neil Copeland
377 Posted 09/08/2022 at 18:30:00
Reading conflicting reports about Gueye, some saying he will sign tomorrow and others saying he is having second thoughts. Who knows then I suppose although I think it would be good to bring him in, he is fit and experienced.

It sounds like we are still after Broja which if true and he comes, would make this a fantastic window.

Lots more to look forward to all of a sudden.


Si Cooper
378 Posted 09/08/2022 at 23:17:28
Some very impatient to ‘move on from this. Personally, I’d much rather we don’t have to start the process with another midfielder and I think we need the additional options Gana would give us.

One of the persistent rumours is that he is negotiating a pay-off from PSG because they effectively showed him the door. That seems standard these days and if true it shouldn’t be held against Gana if he wants to get the best deal he can.

Presumably the more he gets from PSG the less he will actually need from us, so that would be a win-win.

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