Reports: Everton knock back £45m bid for Gordon

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Updated Chelsea have apparently approached Everton with bids as high as £40m for the Blues' homegrown winger, Anthony Gordon, which have been rejected according to BBC Sport, while The Mirror suggest the 21-year-old is stalling on signing a new contract at Goodison Park and the Telegraph say he is keen on moving to Stamford Bridge.

It appears that formal offers of £42m and £45m have been turned down by Everton. It's the second time this summer that Gordon has been linked with one of the high-profile London clubs after Tottenham Hotspur were said to be weighing up a £35m offer back in June. 

The North Londoners were warned off making any concrete offer by the Blues' steadfast refusal to sell a player they consider a prized asset this summer but Chelsea may feel they can tempt the hierarchy at Goodison Park with a high enough fee and there are indications from various sources that Gordon is open to making the switch to Stamford Bridge.

Gordon has risen to prominence over the past couple of seasons as he has become an important part of Everton's first-team. His unstinting work ethic, determination and pace were vital to the Toffees' successful bid to stave off relegation last season and, in the absence of a recognised striker, manager Frank Lampard turned to him to lead the line alongside Demarai Gray and Dwight McNeil in the first two games of this season.

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Lampard is said to be keen to keep hold of Gordon, with some claiming that the club have reiterated their stance that the player isn't for sale, but reports emerged from the likes of the Daily Mail and The Express after today's 2-2 drawn between Chelsea and Spurs that the West London club had come in for Gordon with that big-money offer.

Privately, Everton are believed to value Gordon around £50m and would be prepared to listen to offers in that region. According to both the BBC report and Twitter source El Bobble, personal terms are not thought to be an issue for the player. Indeed, the BBC expect Chelsea to come back with an improved offer and their sources say a deal could be done between the two clubs in the coming days.

Adding to the intrigue of the reported interest from Stamford Bridge is the fact that Everton have been strongly linked with four Chelsea players this summer in the form of strikers Armando Broja and Michy Batshuayi and midfielders Conor Gallagher and Billy Gilmour.

The Mirror's David Maddock, meanwhile, reports that Gordon's representatives have told the Blues that the player is unlikely to sign the new contract that has been on the table for the past 3 weeks and that Chelsea have tested the waters again with talk of a "heavily structured" deal worth £45m that still falls short of Everton's valuation.

Matt Law of The Telegraph has lent credence to that with his reporting that, while Gordon won't submit a formal transfer request, it is his preference to leave Everton for Chelsea before the deadline.


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Rob Halligan
1 Posted 14/08/2022 at 18:38:47
The red Echo now reporting of a Chelsea interest in Anthony Gordon. Can’t see him going there, but then again, we might well get one or two players in return, plus a few quid!
Tony Abrahams
2 Posted 14/08/2022 at 18:41:22
Very, very interesting that Rob, because Chelsea have got some very good players, who are just not quite good enough for their squad. A squad that was written off last week, incidentally.
Rob Halligan
3 Posted 14/08/2022 at 19:05:45
Tony, the red echo have picked up this rumour from The Times, who say Broja and Batshuayi could be part of any part exchange………

Anthony Gordon: Everton reject £40m bid from Chelsea for star

Tony Abrahams
4 Posted 14/08/2022 at 19:09:47
I'd love Gilmour and Broja, Rob, and personally think they might be better long-term bets than young Anthony, although I'm also aware that we all see different things.

If the red Echo are saying this though, Rob, I think it's better just shredding the paper, not that I ever buy it anymore!

Brent Stephens
5 Posted 14/08/2022 at 19:25:58
Chelsea bid £40M say Sky, live on tv.
Brent Stephens
6 Posted 14/08/2022 at 19:26:37
...for Gordon, obviously.
Neil Thomas
7 Posted 14/08/2022 at 19:28:02
Gordon linked with Chelsea. Give us Broja and Pulic or Hudson-Odi and £10m and I'll be happy with that.
Kenny Smith
8 Posted 14/08/2022 at 19:34:15
Just said on Sky after the Chelsea - Spurs game that Chelsea have just bid £40M for Gordon.
Jay Harris
9 Posted 14/08/2022 at 19:39:10
As long as it's not Maupay or Batshuayi, I would feel better about whoever we bring in.

Gordon has to stay unless it's a swap for Broja, Gilmour and Gallagher.

We don't need any more disruption and the lad still has plenty of potential.

Paul Hewitt
10 Posted 14/08/2022 at 19:47:25
Chelsea apparently bid £40 million for Gordon.
Tony Abrahams
11 Posted 14/08/2022 at 19:58:31
My mate told me weeks ago that there would definitely be business between Everton and Chelsea because of the money involved in football right now, which will enable a few people to get a backhander. We will see?
Kunal Desai
12 Posted 14/08/2022 at 19:59:14
Gordon for Broja and Gallagher on permanent deals, then it's yes please!
Dave Abrahams
13 Posted 14/08/2022 at 20:13:27

On another Everton website, the fans have already spent that £40M or are holding out for more money for him especially if Man Utd come in for him!!

Brian Wilkinson
14 Posted 14/08/2022 at 20:14:13
Forget the £40 Million for Gordon, get Broja and Gallagher as part of the deal, would snatch their hands off for that deal.
Annika Herbert
15 Posted 14/08/2022 at 20:15:29
Let’s sell one of our most promising players to Chelsea and take their unwanted players? I despair at the attitude of some of our fans.

If Gordon is as poor, or average, as some suggest, then how come these big clubs are so interested in him?

Michael Lynch
16 Posted 14/08/2022 at 20:23:05
Okay, Souness is a bit of a twat, but I kind of agreed with him when his response to the Gordon to Chelsea rumour was surprise.

Surprise that a team like Chelsea would offer £40M for a player who, yes, is not a bad footbaler, but certainly hasn't set the league on fire yet.

And, again, I hate myself for saying it, but I also agreed with Red Shite Carragher saying that Everton would not entertain a bid of £40m for a fan favourite, especially when we are so short on talent at the club.

Pat Kelly
17 Posted 14/08/2022 at 20:33:02
I said in an earlier post that there's still time to sell Gordon. Offers appear to be still on the table. £40m would help us get a decent striker and maybe Broja on loan if we do business with Chelsea. Add a 20% sell on fee for Gordon, like we've accepted for Onana, and we're still invested in his future.

We need goals or we're going down. Let's remember the new strategy is pragmatism!

Tony Abrahams
18 Posted 14/08/2022 at 20:41:11
I think both Carragher and Souness are both on the money, if this is what they’ve said Michael, and I’m sure they echo a lot of Evertonian thoughts, with their different viewpoints?

I also understand the people who don’t want to sell Gordon, but just because a player isn’t currently good enough for Chelsea’s first team, doesn’t mean they are not very good players, but I’m sure everyone also understands this?

Trevor Peers
19 Posted 14/08/2022 at 21:03:31
I just hope we have at least 2 forwards lined up, ready to sign this week, if we are selling Gordon. For once do the job properly blues. That £40 million fee should be enough to guarantee a vital boost to our goals 'for' column and that might mean the difference between a mid-table position or a relegation struggle.

As for Gordon I just don't see him progressing at Goodison, he has a touch of the Ross Barkley about him, has some good moments but he's largely inconsistent, useless in front of goal and without a strikers instinct for goals or assists. Take the money while you can blues, next season he may be worth a quarter of that fee!

Stu Darlington
20 Posted 14/08/2022 at 21:05:55
Chelsea have got numerous players we have shown interest in, particularly in the positions we need: Broja, Gallagher, Gilmour, Hudson-Odoi, Batshuyai etc. Surely there's the basis for a deal to our benefit here?

Gordon may be one for the future but he isn't pulling up any trees here at the moment and we need someone now!

I despair of some fans who for some misplaced sense of loyalty to a” local lad” who offers very little to our prospects at the moment, would reject the opportunity to improve the team in positions we desperately need to hold on to him in the hope he will come good one day.

If Chelsea really want him and are prepared to offer £43M doesn't that put us in the box seat to get the best deal?

If true, take the deal and improve the squad now!

Joe Digney
21 Posted 14/08/2022 at 21:07:17
The Bobble confirming we’ve rejected a £42 million bid. Chelsea still interested.

In my opinion, that Boehly seems like he wants to make shockwaves in the market with big spending, so I wouldn’t be surprised to see him up it closer to £50 million which, reading between the lines, is what Everton will sell at.

Bill Gienapp
22 Posted 14/08/2022 at 21:25:47
I don't really get this deal from Chelsea's perspective - why would they want to spunk £40-50 million on someone who's nowhere near their starting XI when they're already flush with "young players with potential?"

Gallagher's a lot further along than Gordon is, and he can barely get a look. For that money, they can just go out and buy the finished article.

I'm a bit torn. There's no doubt this would be sound business, especially if the money is reinvested wisely... but I'd hate to see Gordon go and really do think he'll kick on this season, once he's playing in a more balanced side.

John Kavanagh
23 Posted 14/08/2022 at 21:31:19
Well, something needs to move and by Tuesday at the latest. The same applies to the Gana fiasco now that the inevitable Doucoure hamstring has gone.

We need a striker in the side on Saturday and cannot repeat having Gordon playing in the middle or Rondon trundling up and down the pitch. Three days on the training pitch is the absolute minimum to at least give a new recruit some chance of having a successful debut, especially if he's from an overseas league and has limited English.

We could have kept one of Simms, Broadhead, or Dobbin until deadline day as an emergency striker, any one of whom would have been a more mobile alternative to Rondon or playing Gordon in a role he is completely unsuited to. Alli is not an alternative either.

Lose against Forest and the rot starts to set in.

Steve Shave
24 Posted 14/08/2022 at 21:32:03
People mentioning Gallagher – I can't see they would let him go anywhere on a perm. I did think however, Broja and Gilmour plus £10M and I would bite their fucking hands off. I'd then go all out for Gibbs-White to replace Gordon and done, we are sorted for the season.

I love Gordon, he's one of us and I'd like him to stay. However, sometimes a deal comes along and it's good for all parties to accept. I think players coming the other way is the only way Evertonians would accept this.

John Chambers
25 Posted 14/08/2022 at 21:39:02
In the ideal world, I would like Gordon to stay but I’m afraid beggars can”t be choosers so, if we can get Borja and Gallagher in, we should take a deal.

Gordon is clearly Blue through and through but, at the moment, doesn’t deliver enough. In 51 appearances, he has only 4 goals and 3 assists.

Sam Hoare
26 Posted 14/08/2022 at 21:43:05
Can’t imagine us turning down £50M. Will they bid that much? Or £20M plus Broja?

Gordon has big potential but is not delivering on it yet and a bid that big is hard to turn down. Whether it works out well (if it happens) for Everton all depends on how we spend the money or replace him.

A lot of decent strikers/wingers have moved now and though there are options left it would mean bedding in almost a whole new forward line.

Mike Gaynes
27 Posted 14/08/2022 at 21:47:33
Gordon has shown truckloads of potential, but he has not yet shown anything irreplaceable in terms of footballing skills.

His drive and passion for the club are exemplary, but £42 million for a 4-goal scorer is a lot of money to leave on the table. I think we should be looking at this very seriously.

Kevin Naylor
28 Posted 14/08/2022 at 21:55:15
Gallacher for Gordon, snatch their hands off if thats on the table.
Robert Williams
29 Posted 14/08/2022 at 21:56:31
Gordon flatters go deceive... If we get £40/45M – take it!

Same for Calvert-Lewin, it is obvious that he wants out so best price in January and let him go, say £50M. We can build a pretty decent team with that sort of money plus the petty cash for the likes of Gbamin, Davies, Alan, Alli and all the others that we should have got rid of by now.

It's been a long transfer window but a one-way one as far as I can make out. More ins than outs and that must change if we are going to get anywhere this season.

Paul Kernot
30 Posted 14/08/2022 at 22:00:42
He's an enigma for sure. Loads of pace, raw energy and passion. All of which can certainly be honed in time by good coaches. Top teams know we need cash though and must assume £40M will be tempting enough to steal him.
Joe Digney
31 Posted 14/08/2022 at 22:03:23
‪Tell Chelsea our price and give them a deadline of Wednesday latest to stump up with it or tell them it's a fat no.

We call the shots on this one with 2 weeks left there's no time to fuck around and wait. ‬

Tom Bowers
32 Posted 14/08/2022 at 22:07:35
Gordon has been in the team for a short time only and could do well down the line but I have my doubts.

Could be a good sale right now so that a real striker can be brought in.

Sam Bowen
33 Posted 14/08/2022 at 22:11:28
We simply can’t turn down £50M in our position. That’s all profit and a huge dent in being compliant with Profit and Loss regulations.

I like Gordon but I think the trade-off between his current output and being able to replace it with better numbers in terms of goals and assists is well worth it. You can get two very good players with that kind of money.

Michael Lynch
34 Posted 14/08/2022 at 22:18:03
I hear what everyone is saying, but I'm not sure I trust Everton to spend that money wisely. In fact, I can imagine the board thinking "Okay, McNeil can be Gordon's replacement" and, early days and all that, but McNeil is nowhere near Anthony's level at this point.

Then we'll spunk the £50M on a couple of Kia Joorabchian's uncle's mate's kids who currently play DM and Number 10 for AFC Shite in the Portuguese fourth division.

Paul Kernot
35 Posted 14/08/2022 at 22:18:04
If we keep him, hope like hell he doesn't turn out to be the new Kevin Mirallas. Hot for one game in 10 if you're lucky.
Ernie Baywood
36 Posted 14/08/2022 at 22:21:00
It's got to be very tempting. He's got pace, aggression and confidence. We've loved that – and he was a key player for us last year.

I just have a sense that he's not quite what he's cracked up to be. Finishing, crossing are poor. Generally he doesn't strike the ball well which I'd consider a technical issue which is unlikely to improve.

£40-50M is pretty serious coin. I suppose it all depends on who we have lined up and what we could do with it.

Neil Copeland
37 Posted 14/08/2022 at 22:30:06
The way I see it is if we can get Broja and Gallagher we are swapping potential for, in my opinion, better potential and more of it. We would also need to bring in a replacement winger to replace Anthony or maybe young Mills could be used?
John Atkins
38 Posted 14/08/2022 at 22:31:00
I’d definitely do a deal. Absolutely no hesitation …. Any striker plus Gallagher
Ed Prytherch
39 Posted 14/08/2022 at 22:31:40
Anthony is an industrious player but he does not score or assist many goals. He is replaceable and, if Chelsea come back with £50M, it will be hard to turn down.
Jim Bennings
40 Posted 14/08/2022 at 22:35:32
Good reliable sources saying this will be done within days, Chelsea expect to match our £50 million valuation of Gordon.

Strange move by Chelsea, I can only think they were very impressed by him in last season's two games versus them when he played quite well.

I just hope we don't pay mental money for the Guirassy or Jackson lad from Villarreal, neither are potent goal-getters.

If we get massive money for Gordon, then go and make one statement signing on a player that will make a difference.

Derek Thomas
41 Posted 14/08/2022 at 22:35:58
Like we have a say.

He may – rightly or wrongly.– have to be sacrificed to appease the FFP gods.

Kieran Kinsella
42 Posted 14/08/2022 at 22:37:05
If we sell Gordon for £45 million, other clubs will jack up the prices on potential replacements. If it's a swap for someone good, eg, Gallagher... but Batman? FFS we might as well bring Tosun back!
Colin Glassar
43 Posted 14/08/2022 at 22:38:03
So the kid plays two games in an unfamiliar position and now you want to flog him to the highest bidder?

This is what is so wrong with Everton: short-sightedness. We go on a run of bad results – sack the manager. Players lose form – sell them. The new kits look shite (and expensive) – sack the board etc..

No-one knows if Anthony Gordon will become a top class player or not but how the fuck are we ever going to build anything if all we do is sack managers and sell our young talent?

At some point, we have to stop shitting our kecks and start building for the future. Sure, I'd like Gallagher and/or Broja but, if we can't afford them, then for fuck's sake, look elsewhere. Europe, Africa, South America – show some fucking creativity and don't always look for the easy option, eg, sell our brightest prospects and keep a shitload of deadwood, eg Gomes, Davies, Gbamin, Rondon etc…

We need to define ourselves as a club. Are we a feeder club or do we stand firm, keep our best players, stick with a manager for more than a few months and build slowly with a much-improved scouting system?

I know which one I prefer.

Charles Brewer
44 Posted 14/08/2022 at 22:38:41
Is he a Rooney or a Jeffers, Rodwell or a Barkley?

The former was sold after showing world class skills as a teenager. The latter group were sold on hope and hype.

Gordon has proved energetic, committed but short on talent, delivery and match-changing delivery.

Sadly, from me, it's take the money.

Mike Morgan
45 Posted 14/08/2022 at 22:47:06
We have put ourselves in a very weak position, by not having secured a striker early in the window. We seem to have been taken by suprise that Calvert-Lewin was injured (after last season, this should have been at the forefront of our thinking).

Now we are going to lose one of the few stars that we have, as the pressure to find a Plan B striker before the window closes is becoming immense. I hope we negotiate well, get Broja plus £20M – anything less will be a disaster.

Very sad that we have mismanaged ourselves into this mess.

Will Mabon
46 Posted 14/08/2022 at 22:47:52
They paid up to £67M for Cucurella.

This has been coming since more than one manager made comment about Gordon in post match interviews last season. They're all aware.

Whatever faults he has, and whatever faults we see, natural talents and abilities that cannot be learned, are highly prized... and highly sought after.

Potential is gold, and many top managers and coaches feel they can be the ones to maximize it, even though it often fails.

I don't agree with the view that all players must necessarily move to better teams to fully develop. Was Rooney better after moving to United? I don't think so.

I hope we don't lose him – but it seems to be gathering momentum.

Kieran Kinsella
47 Posted 14/08/2022 at 22:55:02

To your point, the only players I wanted to keep after last season were Richarlison, Gordon and Pickford.

If this goes through, we may as well trade Pickford to Leicester for Danny Ward and Perez.

Christy Ring
48 Posted 14/08/2022 at 22:55:07
If Chelsea are offering £40M+ for Gordon, they must see his potential, so why would we sell him?

Souness a red asshole, utter ignorance, Carragher more truthful. I can't understand why fans on here want rid, he's playing as a false 9 – give him a break.

Tim Kells
49 Posted 14/08/2022 at 22:56:30
Colin 43. Totally agree but sadly there's been too much noise about a move for Gordon all Summer.

Who knows who released the story tonight but it probably came from inside the club, to soften us all up when he eventually goes just before the end of the window.

Cue the usual excuses of not enough time to secure a replacement etc, with most of the cash not being spent.

Alec Gaston
50 Posted 14/08/2022 at 22:56:32
Tough one – his energy and effort sparks the crowd and teammates but if we could get Broja, Terrier and Gueye that would improve the squad.

A tough decision which could turn some of the good faith – I am sure Lampard won't want to sell but may be forced to.

Will Mabon
51 Posted 14/08/2022 at 22:59:51
Tim, you should round off your last sentence with mention of the sofa and the Arteta money...
Phil Lewis
52 Posted 14/08/2022 at 23:03:29
If this is genuine, snatch their hands off! I'll drive him there myself! Ask them do they want Doucouré as well.

These two players are the most overrated on our books. Gordon's work rate can't be faulted, but that's all the pair of them have got going for them. There is little footballing vision between the ears for either.

Perhaps young Anthony will one day make me eat my words. Good luck to the lad, for his sake I hope he does.

I very much doubt it though. I'd cash in now while his media hype and fan base is high. Because I believe it is only a matter of time before he is filed along with Messrs Stuart Barlow and Danny Cadamarteri.

Will Mabon
53 Posted 14/08/2022 at 23:07:07
Colin @ 43 - Good post. I agree.
Simon Dalzell
54 Posted 14/08/2022 at 23:07:57
I'd sell him for that kind of money.
Mike Morgan
55 Posted 14/08/2022 at 23:09:51
This is what I thought would have happened if we had been relegated. But I guess FFP makes us very vulnerable.

We need a centre-forward more than a winger (I have no faith that Calvert-Lewin will ever be the player he was 2 seasons ago). Broja plus £20M with Gray, Iwobi, McNeil providing the crosses.

This is very sad. Richarlison and Gordon saved us last season with effort and determination, to lose them both makes us a worse team.

Will Mabon
57 Posted 14/08/2022 at 23:10:21

Cadamateri had the wrong hair and Barlow, the wrong shorts. Different scenario.

Laurie Hartley
58 Posted 14/08/2022 at 23:10:57
I have said this before on here – in my opinion, he will go all the way to the top. Unfortunately it looks like his Everton stage of the journey is going to be cut short. Chelsea want his pace.

If he is going to Chelsea, Broja has to be part of the deal.

Andrew Brookfield
59 Posted 14/08/2022 at 23:12:02
Let’s keep him so we can bash him in a couple of years like we do Tom Davies.
James Flynn
60 Posted 14/08/2022 at 23:13:53
Well, he's on around £10k per week with us.

Gallagher appears to be on £32k per week.

If we can get a deal, I'm sure they'd both like a considerable pay rise.

Plus, with so much talk around young Gordon, something must be up.

I think we should keep in mind that it was the 85th minute of the 37th game last season before we could finally exhale.

If moving Anthony for a major chunk of change helps build a team that can at least get us up to mid-table this season, then God bless you and good luck at Chelsea, for me.

Phil Lewis
61 Posted 14/08/2022 at 23:13:55
Will #57,

Haha! Nice one, I'll have that.

Colin Glassar
62 Posted 14/08/2022 at 23:17:09
What guarantee do we have that our totally inept board will spend the money wisely? The Arteta money? The £450M wasted by Moshiri? They have a track record and it ain't good.

A few have mentioned Broja and Gallagher (good calls) but we'd probably end up with McFred or some other Man Utd rejects.

Mike Morgan
63 Posted 14/08/2022 at 23:22:53
I had hoped that Frank's special relationship with Chelsea would give us access to some of their talented young players. I hadn't considered it working the other way round!! :-(

Maybe if we get Broja, it will be for the best (we will not survive without a new centre-forward). However he did only score 6 goals last season... Hardly prolific!!

Bill Gall
64 Posted 14/08/2022 at 23:25:05
The only way we will loose Gordon is if he puts in a transfer request, and I don't believe he wants to leave at this time.
Mark Ryan
65 Posted 14/08/2022 at 23:28:39
Why does everyone on here want Broja?

The commentators all agreed that what Chelsea are sadly lacking is a decent striker and yet we want their Broja who can't get a game there.

Can someone explain why we want him so badly?

Gavin Johnson
66 Posted 14/08/2022 at 23:29:32
Straight swap for Broja and Gallagher or at least £50M cash so we can buy someone who can score.

I love you, Anthony, but we need more end product, especially when you have teammates like Gray and McNeil to find the goals.

Gavin Johnson
67 Posted 14/08/2022 at 23:29:32
Straight swap for Broja and Gallagher or at least £50M cash so we can buy someone who can score.

I love you, Anthony, but we need more end product, especially when you have teammates like Gray and McNeil to find the goals

Shane Corcoran
68 Posted 14/08/2022 at 23:31:39
I'm in the "sell at a higher price" camp.

I wouldn't be surprised if we got him back for half the money in a couple of seasons.

I don't see where Chelsea are coming from.

Gavin Johnson
69 Posted 14/08/2022 at 23:37:09
I think we need to get away from having wingers if we're playing wingbacks.

If we could get Broja and Gallagher, I'd like us to play 3 in midfield with Gallagher, Onana and Gana (hopefully) have the wing backs and play Broja and Dele at the front of a 3-5-2 until Dom's back.

Colin Glassar
70 Posted 14/08/2022 at 23:37:34
Potential, Mark. Same as Gordon, it's all potential.

Remember Macheda from Man Utd a few years back? Scored for fun for a few games and then, nothing! Same as that other kid who played in the Homeless Games (Beto?) disappeared into the ether.

No-one knows if they'll reach the top or not. It's a risky business but, on this one, I'd rather keep him than watch him shine for some other club.

Danny O’Neill
71 Posted 14/08/2022 at 23:40:14
Dilemma. Conundrum.

I watched Anthony closely last season and saw him develop and progress no end. He is now targeted by opposition defences because he is respected and viewed as a threat. He is not the finished article by no means. Will he ever be? Who knows?

My instinct would be to keep him. If the rumours are true, there is a reason Chelsea, with their existing wealth of young potential, are allegedly willing to pay big money. Tuchel is no fool so can obviously see the talent and potential.

But if we go on the basis he might end up being a Rodwell or a Barkley and not fulfill that potential, then £40 - 50M for an academy product that could be reinvested in the squad is tempting.

I suppose it comes down to what our needs are right now.

I'll finish as I started. Dilemma. Conundrum.

Will Mabon
72 Posted 14/08/2022 at 23:40:21
"Why does everyone on here want Broja?"

Mark – it's one of the mysteries of Edgar Wallace.

John Raftery
73 Posted 14/08/2022 at 23:42:17
Andrew (@59),

From hearing the tone of a small but increasing minority of fans, I believe that may happen in less than a couple of years.

I think it is very unfair but, now that Anthony is no longer the new great young hope, some fans are beginning to get on his back, especially when he fails to convert chances or deliver penetrative crosses in the final third. That ignores the way he fights for the team and uses his pace to drag the team into attacking positions.

He is obviously not the finished article. In the circumstances we find ourselves, a bid of over £40M is not something the club can easily dismiss. We desperately need a focal point in attack and more players capable of reaching double figures for goals this season.

If the sale of Anthony is the only means by which we can improve our ‘goals for' column, the end will justify the means.

Stu Darlington
74 Posted 14/08/2022 at 23:47:55
You're right, Colin, nobody knows if Anthony Gordon will become a top-class player or not, but you can't have it both ways.

If you like Broja and Gallagher, we have to have some way of paying for them and Gordon would provide that. Couldn't we start building a team around them?

Selling him is not an easy option, or short-sightedness – it makes sound business sense and for once we have a strong hand to bargain with.

As for being a selling club, of course we are. There's only about 6 clubs in Europe that can afford not to sell their best players if the right offer comes in and we are not one of them, eg, Rooney, Lukaku, Fellaini, Richarlison etc.

You come over as having a rather romantic view of a successful Everton side in years to come built around homegrown talent. Football is not like that. It's a big money business that demands instant success.

I don't ever remember that happening at Everton. Yes, we produced some great players but they had talented imports around them.

Man Utd in the '90s was the only successful team I remember with a solid core of homegrown talent.

Kieran Byrne
75 Posted 14/08/2022 at 23:49:22
Might be we're looking to sell as we've got a striker lined up & maybe Frank rates young Mills & sees him as cover for the wide positions.

Interesting times as ever, one of the homegrown lads achieves a moderation of success.

Tony Everan
76 Posted 14/08/2022 at 23:58:26
Every Evertonian wants to see Anthony Gordon stay and watch him become a great success for the club. But there are problems that need sorting so much that his sale may become a key to us creating a side that can compete better in the toughest incarnation of the Premier League yet.

We have to take that on board, even the expected 20th-placed club pre-season, Forest, have strengthened well and will not go down whimpering like Norwich City.

There is real and present danger for us unless we get some players in who can score goals.

At the big figures being mentioned I think we may sell as long as we can get one or two quality players in who can give us the goals we need.

It comes down to the fact we need goals now, more than we need our youngster with huge potential. We are not in a very good position to wait.

Broja would be a must and maybe Gilmour how about Gallagher on loan to buy? Nothing should be off the table, but also it depends whether a player wants to come to us too. There will be some money left for us then to find a winger with potential from Europe. I'm sure Robert, Sam, Tommy will have some suggestions.

If we don't have goals scoring players lined up, don't do it!!

In another universe, we are not hamstrung by Profitability & Sustainability rules, we already have a strong stable team and Anthony Gordon can flourish and improve us.

We shouldn't be in this position, it hurts, but there are no prisoners taken in the Premier League. Very tough decisions have to be made to protect the club safely as possible from the threat of relegation and the financial cliff edge that it represents.

Joe Corgan
77 Posted 15/08/2022 at 00:08:16
I hate the idea of selling a highly promising, young, scouse player. It was Gordon and Richarlison, more than any other players, who refused to give up last year. They each put in 100% effort in every match and eventually managed to set the example for other players to follow.

But £50M is £50M. It's a sad truth that it has to be part of our strategy in future to sell our promising young players when the right bids come in, in the hope of signing two more.

It would break my heart to see Gordon go. I truly believe he doesn't really want to. But if that's what it takes to bring in Gilmour and Broja then perhaps it's the smart move in the long term.

Oliver Molloy
78 Posted 15/08/2022 at 00:17:15
This new owner of Chelsea wants to make a mark so, if they do a Brighton, it could happen.
Will Mabon
79 Posted 15/08/2022 at 00:19:35
The discussion has now partly morphed towards acknowledging the sale of Gordon perhaps being "needed" in order to obtain a centre-forward (or two). Or other player(s).

Like everyone else, I'd like to have a handle on the true state of affairs regarding FFP, in terms of what we can really spend in this window and perhaps the next: unlikely.

There's been much speculation over the last couple of weeks of various forward options. Even having bought Onana. Whilst we are always at the mercy of the rumour network, the club have certainly been active in this area - prior to mention of further sales being needed.

I hope this possible sale isn't now to be justified by the club as necessary for more incoming player purchases or loans in the lower-cost area.

Colin Malone
80 Posted 14/08/2022 at 00:22:23
It's a no-brainer. I wish Anthony good luck for the future. I hope you improve and become a Championship player.

Sorry to be harsh, I watched Josh Bowler, 23-year-old playing for Blackpool against us, who Unsy let go. Fucking say no more.

That's why we are so far behind in young players coming through.

Kevin Molloy
81 Posted 15/08/2022 at 00:30:22
Frank blew £40M on Dele Alli without blinking... are we sure it's a good idea to sell the one player in the squad who cares about Everton?

He absolutely kept us up last season, I thought his bravery and determination were outstanding. I've got a bad feeling about this…

Christy Ring
82 Posted 15/08/2022 at 00:30:43
Back to Kenwright days, selling Gordon, just like Rooney, no thanks.
Danny O’Neill
83 Posted 15/08/2022 at 00:33:24
We all seem to be in violent agreement here.

We'd all love to see Anthony Gordon succeed in a successful Everton team.

But the reality is, we have immediate needs.

Most who know me, know that I'm a purist. I'd love nothing more than seeing a team built on the core of the academy output.

The reality is that rarely happens. Manchester United done it twice. But even Duncan Edwards was from Dudley, not Manchester. I can't think of anyone else who has built a local team at the top level, but please correct me.

Alan Ball was from a district in Bolton. Howard Kendall from Durham / Gateshead. To finish the Holy Trinity, Colin Harvey was local.

Have we had anyone that good since? Top of my head I can't think of one and I didn't even see the white Pele in an Everton shirt.

I digress, but has there ever been a bigger Evertonian than Colin Harvey? Supporter, successful player, coach, manager, youth manager. Talk about living the dream.

But most importantly, Evertonian. Blue blood. Watch the scene from Howard's Way. I dare you to tell me it doesn't bring a tear to the eye.

Phil Lewis
84 Posted 15/08/2022 at 00:35:51
Stats don't lie. In 51 Premier League games for Everton, Anthony Gordon has scored 4 goals and made 3 assists.

Need I say more?

Dom Kearney
85 Posted 15/08/2022 at 00:36:59
I agree with Colin. We should keep Anthony. He has been sold a short one having to lead our line.

Once we get a striker in next couple of days, hopefully two before close of window, he will shine (as will our one or two strikers). Top 10 at least, if so, and a cup win!

Colin Malone
86 Posted 15/08/2022 at 00:37:02
Christy #82.

Sorry but Rooney was light-years ahead of Gordon.

Bill Watson
87 Posted 15/08/2022 at 00:40:40
So sad to see how far our expectations have fallen. Hard to believe that most posters are in favour of selling one of our brightest prospects and actually wanting a donkey like Broja in part-ex.
Will Mabon
88 Posted 15/08/2022 at 00:40:52
"But the reality is, we have immediate needs."

But there's been no talk of them involving the sale of Gordon, Danny - until further back in this thread. The club have not said such.

Let's not do Kenwright's psy-op for him just yet.

Danny O’Neill
89 Posted 15/08/2022 at 00:42:01
Rooney was ready-made at 16 years old. They are a once-in-a-generation phenomenon.

Shame he didn't look after himself.

Danny O’Neill
90 Posted 15/08/2022 at 00:44:10
Fair one, Will!!

I'm more interested in Forest at home on Saturday.

Gordon for the winner?!!

Will Mabon
91 Posted 15/08/2022 at 00:45:31
Danny - steady on!
Colin Malone
92 Posted 15/08/2022 at 00:45:36
Kevin #81.

Jordan Pickford kept us up. Full stop.

Ed Prytherch
93 Posted 15/08/2022 at 00:48:00
I watched many Blackpool games last season and I am surprised that they have been able to keep Josh Bowler. It reflects badly on our setup that he was never given a chance with the first team. He is not that far behind Jack Grealish.
Jay Harris
94 Posted 15/08/2022 at 00:50:03
I'm guessing there is more to this.

Why has Gueye suddenly come to a halt and Camara is going to Monaco and we are no nearer getting a quality striker in?

I have a feeling the cupboard is bare and, with the players Frank wants in, Anthony is the sacrificial lamb.

I think it's a shame because it looks like the two players who gave their all when we were in the shit last season are being sold because they have high value.

I agree with Colin Glassar, people are switching off Anthony based on 2 league games when we had no striker and midfield was threadbare.

I certainly wouldn't want £50M cash for him – I would want at least a couple of Chelsea players, like Pulisic or Gallagher. The jury is still out on Broja and Gilmour.

Will Mabon
95 Posted 15/08/2022 at 00:50:16
Ed - who knows how it all works anymore?
Bill Watson
96 Posted 15/08/2022 at 00:50:17
Phil #84

There's Lies, Lies and Damned Statistics.

Stats can be selectively used to prove, or disprove, almost anything. Players like Gordon create space for other players to exploit. The fact we don't have many players who can take advantage of this space isn't Gordon's fault.

Derek Knox
97 Posted 15/08/2022 at 00:54:49
The way I see it, we are the victims of wasteful and extremely poor management of the past, the reality being that to progress, we may have to cash in on our assets. In an ideal world, we would or should be keeping Anthony Gordon, but we are a long way from that.

Having said that, I fear Anthony's end product leaves a lot to be desired. Now whether that is down to pressure being put on his young shoulders, or perhaps that he may, or may not improve. Truth is, sadly anything that will improve us as a unit, must be considered even if that involves sacrificing one of our own.

Broja and Gallagher would be the improbable icing on the cake, but only time will tell as the clock is running down to the Window closure.

Will Mabon
98 Posted 15/08/2022 at 00:56:13
"I have a feeling the cupboard is bare and, with the players Frank wants in, Anthony is the sacrificial lamb."

Jay, truth is hard to find but, when it's all played out by the end of the window, I hope:

A. We have a well-improved squad.
B. There isn't that sickened feeling of old.

Danny O’Neill
99 Posted 15/08/2022 at 01:03:17
It's going to be a long day, Will.

Trains from Euston off or unpredictable because of the strikes. I can't get flights to Manchester from Heathrow.

So it's a Cross Country train from Reading to Manchester that I've managed to book. I'll figure out getting to Reading and back as well as from Manchester to Goodison and back.

I do keep saying I'm an idiot!!

Jack Convery
100 Posted 15/08/2022 at 01:05:57
Put quite simply: beggars can't be choosers.

We need money now to buy the quality forward, back-up forward and defensive midfielder we need. Due to the total mismanagement of our board under the leadership of Bill Kenwright, this is where we are at. Sacrifices have to be made.

We've been here before under Kenwright. Rooney had to be sold to save the club. Now it's Gordon who has to go, because the coffers are practically bare (we couldn't afford £17.5M in a lump sum for Cornet, even though we had agreed, personal terms).

To get quality like Broja and Gallagher, we need money or we do a deal with Chelsea that involves Gordon. I believe the valuation of Gordon is over the top but, if Chelsea value him at that level, it unfortunately means we must do business to give us the quality we need to score goals.

With a decent striker, I believe we could have got at least a point against Chelsea, We may even have given Villa a much harder game too. They looked awful in the last part of Saturday's game.

If Gordon has to be sacrificed, then blame the owner and the chairman as it is they that have caused us to be in this financial mess.

On another point, should Palace get a draw or better at Mordor, then the bottom three will all have been managed by Moyes, in the past. Not his fault, I know… but a curio for all those who like that sort of thing.

Tony Mace
101 Posted 15/08/2022 at 01:16:41
Swap for Broja and Gallagher, job done and we start climbing up…
Larry O'Hara
102 Posted 15/08/2022 at 01:17:07
People complain about footballers being mercenary: yet here we have a genuine talent who loves the club and most of you want to offload him. Crazy and indicative of a short-term myopic mentality.

I really despair about many posters on here, I really do. Maybe you deserve Kenwright, a small-time huckster. But the Everton FC I love doesn't: we need Gordon and Lampard too.

Simon Dalzell
103 Posted 15/08/2022 at 01:17:52
£45 million I would accept. I'm not too keen about Broja as part of the deal, but much better judges than me seem to differ. I feel this could be key to our progress... if the money is spent wisely.
Joe Corgan
104 Posted 15/08/2022 at 01:19:14
Colin @92:

What does “Full stop” mean in your comment?

Are we not to discuss the efforts and achievements of players other than Pickford? Or are we to simply assume you have overriding authority on other people's opinions?

Pickford played an important part in keeping us up. He made some world-class saves, especially in the run-in. But how many goals did he score? Did he whip many crosses in? Did he cover every blade of grass the way Richarlison and Gordon did? I think you'll find it's none of the above.

Bottom line – you're entitled to your opinion but there is absolutely no need to be so rude.

Bill Gienapp
105 Posted 15/08/2022 at 01:19:45
Sadly, even if Gordon stays, he's being put in an impossible position. If we pass on £ 50 million to keep him, it's no longer a question of "potential" and a lot of fans are going to turn on him fast if he doesn't start producing at a high level.
Phil Lewis
106 Posted 15/08/2022 at 01:20:26
Bill #96,

I merely quoted harsh facts, how can stats be lies? By all means check the numbers for yourself.

Gordon's rise to favour with the fans came about because of one clear factor. That being he was willing to give his all for a seemingly lost cause, when more established members of the squad, with the notable exceptions of Richarlison and an aging Coleman, gave the impression that they couldn't care less. That is what endeared him to everyone. But in the process it blinded many to his shortcomings.

Contrary to your comment, apart from his evident lack of finishing power, Gordon's main failing is that he creates space for no-one. He constantly dribbles himself into dead ends and appears to lack the vision to deliver to teammates better positioned to receive a pass.

His stats so far reflect this, but my assessment is based more from observation. He may develop these attributes, but at present does not possess such natural vision. Yes he's only a kid. But true greats show much more by the time they've played as many first-team games as he has.

These are the reasons why, given our current financial situation, I'd have no hesitation in cashing in on him and spending the money in the critical area where we are so obviously lacking — up front.

Soren Moyer
107 Posted 15/08/2022 at 01:26:27
Not for less than £60M. And do not get any of their players in exchange. Use the money on that Austrian striker and a couple of others.
Danny O’Neill
108 Posted 15/08/2022 at 01:30:21
Harsh that, Phil.

Yesterday his drive almost gave us an equaliser. Both from his own effort and then from the resultant second ball. It was only great defending that prevented a goal and we'd have taken a point home.

Steve Brown
109 Posted 15/08/2022 at 01:30:42
Colin @ 43 summarising it perfectly.

Let’s sell one of our best players - never mind best young players- for struggling to adapt to being played out of position in a poor team.

Then we can sign another two Dwight McNeils.

David Currie
110 Posted 15/08/2022 at 01:33:45
Larry 102,

Agree, I would rather have Gordon than Broja and Gallagher. I hope we don't sell him to Chelsea, can't we give them Gomes, Gbamin and Mina instead and £1 million pounds as a thank you!

Mark Tanton
111 Posted 15/08/2022 at 01:47:17
We know how this goes. Rejected fairly quickly turns to reluctantly accepted. I think we should bite their hands off personally.
Phil Lewis
112 Posted 15/08/2022 at 01:53:27
Danny #108

It's a tough old world out there Danny. Sometimes these harsh decisions have to be made mate. It broke my heart when we sold my all time idol Alan Ball many moons ago!

I have no personal axe to grind over Gordon. In fact there are several other squad members I'd put on the chopping block before him. But the fact is they're dead wood and nobody in their right mind would want to buy them. Young Anthony is one of the very few sellable assets we have, in order to reinforce.

All I'm saying is that from what I've seen so far, in the grand scheme of things, his end product won't be missed and cash generated by his departure could be the basis for a new forward line which is desperately needed right now.

Ok I'll come right out and say it and pull no punches, I don't really rate the lad. But I can also sincerely wish him well and hope he proves me wrong if he does depart.

Andrew Keatley
113 Posted 15/08/2022 at 02:10:04
Lots of predictable posts about the pride of local boys, and not selling our best players, and hard bargaining (Broja and Gallagher for Gordon gave me a good laugh) - but for me this really comes down to what is sensible business.

Footballers are commodities, and they all have a price. I'd say £40+ million for Anthony Gordon is a price that would probably make me sell, especially if we need to raise funds to buy further players.

The match thread for the Villa game has over 500 posts, and most of those seem to pour scorn on the fact that our striking options are non-existent. If selling Gordon allows us to address this issue by signing a decent striker then I'd have to say that might just be a necessary evil.

We need to be sensible – financially and in terms of the squad we are building – in order to weather the next two years and get into the new stadium.

If we decide to keep Gordon then I hope it is because the powers that be think that makes the most sense, not because they are worried about the message selling a home-grown talent sends out to the fan-base.

Dupont Koo
114 Posted 15/08/2022 at 02:15:29
As much as I love to have Gordon for years to come, we have to bid adieu to him if someone (other than the Red Shite) comes up with a Godfather Offer, i.e. an offer that we can't refuse.

With Chelsea, starting point of a Godfather Offer should be £60 Million (in one single payment at the point of transfer) + 4 players: Gallagher, Broja, Gilmour as permanent acquisitions & Batshuayi on a Season-Long Loan (full salaries covered by Chelsea too).

(For those of you who are more keen on Colvill than Gilmour, feel free to sub him in and the Godfather Offer still stands, though it appears that Lampard rates Gilmour more than Colvill)

If your intention is to get them putting down the phone, that should do it. If they didn't put down the phone, oh yes, we are in business.

If you don't ask for it, you will never get it.

Andrew Keatley
115 Posted 15/08/2022 at 02:41:41
Dupont (114),

Not even sure why I am bothering to engage with such a ridiculous post, but you're saying that if Chelsea offered £50 million plus Broja you would say No to that?

You'd hold off for £60 million plus Broja, Gallagher and Gilmour – meaning you value Gordon (conservatively) at about £120 million, effectively making him the third highest transfer fee of all time, behind only Neymar and Mbappe.

Some of the posts on this site are so far removed from reality that they practically cross over into magic realism…

Ken Camara
116 Posted 15/08/2022 at 03:56:49
#94 Jay.

Spot on, I fear. We have hit a wall with our expenditures and FFP. Moshiri will no doubt back what we need, but is now hamstrung, and has unfortunately been listening to the wrong people up to now.

Gordon has pace. Pace cannot be taught; you have it, or you don't. Other talents can be taught, and his passing, and crosses, and end product, should all improve. I would prefer to see him grow, improve, mature, and excel in an Everton jersey.

But we also have needs in multiple spots. I fear that handed the cash for Gordon, we will waste it. While a number of the names mentioned who are at Chelsea who could be a decent makeweight in this deal could be helpful to us, I think some are nothing special.

Broja – big lad, but really didn't do much numbers-wise yet, why is he forcing his way out of a situation where he has every opportunity to excel?

Gilmour – Holding defensive midfielder? How many successful No 6s have you seen with his small stature? Why didn't he do better last season on loan (At a team more like Everton than Chelsea)?

Gallagher – looked good for Palace last season, but what does he deliver that Iwobi does not? If he is more of a proper "No 10" – Does Frank even play with a "No 10"? Pulisic would be interesting, but may not be sure enough to help us this season.

I fear that the writing is on the wall, and Gordon is on his way out. Other Top 6 teams knew this – Tottenham was in for a bid early. I hope we get value for him, and our DoF is smart enough to target a couple of players who can make a difference. I feel like we have already missed a couple of decently priced options this window.

I will miss Richarlison (one of my faves) and Gordon, but assume that anyone who is lucky enough to wear the crest will put in the same effort we saw from them.

We would have been lucky to get a point against Chelsea, but Villa is a very beatable team, and our not having people in place to cover for injuries has already hurt us.

Lester Yip
117 Posted 15/08/2022 at 03:59:12
I think Frank knows it's coming and that's why he brought in McNeil in case Gordon does leave. Some people point out that, if Broja is that good, why Chelsea would let him go? I guess it applies to Simms in our case. Somehow, the manager thinks he's not ready yet, while the counter-part thinks the otherwise.

We desperately need a proper striker and Broja seems to be at the right age, physical and have performed in the Premier League. A lower-risk bet. Chelsea wants someone who can immediately make an impact. Not 6 months later. But now as they want to challenge for the title. Gordon is fit and hungry, and morale is on the up. So a deal can be struck.

Hopefully, we can also get a loan-to-buy deal with Hudson-Odoi. Gallagher would be difficult as Tuchel seems to rate him.

Dupont Koo
118 Posted 15/08/2022 at 04:01:12
Andrew (115):

Yes, I'd definitely put down the phone if Chelsea is only offering £50 million plus Broja. Don't forget that Gordon is worth more to us than to them because he is our Home Grown Player (HGP) and he will only be a player who was "trained by a club in the same country jurisdiction" (Nationally Trained). One needs to have 4 HGP & 4 others Nationally Trained included to play in Europe.

We are not desperate to sell, so in order to get them off our back, the best way is to quote an astronomical price to drive them away once and for all. If, once in a blue moon, they came back with proposals that inch closer towards what we quoted, we shall keep the conversation open.

That was how Brighton first drove Man City away, and then ripped off a desperate Chelsea on Cucurella.

Ashley Roberts
119 Posted 15/08/2022 at 04:07:23
It seems as though we are in for Guirassy from Rennes and the lad Jackson from Villarreal. So we must have some money for a striker. Plus we are expecting Gueye to sign. All of this is positive news!!

While Guirassy may not be a Haaland or Nunez, he could be be a good back-up for Calvert-Lewin and may even become firs choice if Calvert-Lewin cannot find his old form.

If we do sell Gordon to fund these purchases, I just hope that the board have the ability to at least bring Gallagher on loan for the season. We know he is quality because he proved it at Palace last season but, with the strength of the Chelsea midfield, he will be their equivalent to our Tom Davies.

I agree, Broja at the moment is still a work in progress, like Gordon, and so he may become good but the jury is still some way out in this regard. For me, I would love to keep Gordon but in reality £50M will definitely provide so many more options. Having said that, it has to come with the proviso of securing Gallagher on loan.

We just have to realize that, the way the cards are stacked for the top 4 who make the Champions League, Everton will always be a selling club until we can break into the elite group.

Lester Yip
120 Posted 15/08/2022 at 04:08:34
Dupont, I agree with the Brighton strategy in general. But at the moment we need money to satisfy FFP. And other clubs know that. That's why Newcastle wait. They know we have to sell down the track. Lucky we have Chelsea make the first move and maybe Newcastle will also bid? Otherwise, they might put in a bid for Hudson-Odoi themselves once the Gordon deal is through.

If we can spend wisely like Brighton with the wheel-and-deal strategy in the coming seasons, we would be ready to pounce once again after the new stadium is finished,

Ed Prytherch
121 Posted 15/08/2022 at 04:11:35
Our club has been run on sentimentality for so many years that it has trickled down to TW.

I like Anthony Gordon because he is young, full of spirit, loves the club and he is a scouser... but he has a market value which may well be at its peak now. I say £50M from Chelsea and we can improve the squad.

Don Alexander
122 Posted 15/08/2022 at 04:15:40
For all of this century and beyond, we have been reduced to the total opposite of our club motto when it comes to player sales and "acquisitions".

We always get it way wrong.

In the football industry, our motto has for decades been "Nos semper pervenit iniuriam modo".


Mike Gaynes
123 Posted 15/08/2022 at 04:39:09
Ken #116, I don't think we should bother with Gilmour either, but not because of his size. Kante is even smaller, and he's been pretty much the best #6 on the planet over the past six years or so.

Gana Gueye is 5'8". Historically Deschamps and Davids were both that size. So I don't think that's the disqualifier. I just don't think he's that good.

That we would waste the Gordon money is a valid concern based on past experience, but I would point out that in the last couple of windows we have spent little and done well, and that seems to be happening now. Maybe, at long last, the lessons have been learned.

Jeff Armstrong
124 Posted 15/08/2022 at 05:42:11
Agreed Mike 123,

Gilmour could not even get into a poor Norwich team, and that was with 2 managers who didn't rate him.

Alan J Thompson
125 Posted 15/08/2022 at 05:43:49
I wouldn't be upset if Gordon stays but given our position under P&S rules we will now, and for the foreseeable future, have to consider these sort of offers and it probably wouldn't be bad business if we took, say, two of Gallagher, Gilmore, Loftus-Cheek or Hudson-Odoi and a cheeky 10Mill for use on one of the strikers we've been reported importing.

Looks like Bill will again be dining out in London shortly but maybe this time he takes Frank and Thelwell with him.

Ian Linn
126 Posted 15/08/2022 at 05:47:00
Sell him and buy a striker (or two).
Kunal Desai
127 Posted 15/08/2022 at 05:52:06
#43.Colin I thought you would know by now, this club isn't interested in putting a squad together or building for the future, under this board there is zilch, nada ambition to win anything.

Kenwright and his pals should have been hounded out of the club this summer after last seasons debacle, but yet again they go under the radar.

This is the last throw of the dice for the club, bring in poor reinforcements up front then there is only one outcome in my opinion, we will certainly be relegated.

Jim Bennings
128 Posted 15/08/2022 at 06:06:57
We should only entertain this if Chelsea come up with 50 million and also the possibility has been discussed that both Broja and Conor Gallagher are available and both players are open to a move to Everton.

It's a hard decision to make if that is on offer because I think that makes Everton a better team than the romance of saying no to that 50 million and two attractive attacking players.

Gordon may well become immense but as I have said, I remember being James McFadden's debut in 2003, when someone labelled him the Scottish Jarzinho he was so good that day.

Potential doesn't always lead to greater things, at Everton we've seen it more than most.

Yes we'd sell Gordon with a very heavy heart but that's a choice the club has to make.

Brian Williams
129 Posted 15/08/2022 at 06:20:02
If Broja is valued around £30m Gallagher must be valued at least the same, so talk of getting both of those players as a straight swap for Gordon is pie in the sky in my opinion.

But if, as has been suggested, Chelsea would go to £50m, then I'd offer them £10m in exchange for both those players with Gordon going the other way.

I believe those two coming in, and Gordon going, at a cost of only £10m to us would be very good business and would make us a much more effective team with two problem positions filled by very good players with premier league experience who are at the perfect age.

And most importantly both those players would offer us goals.

In fact it'd be such a good deal I don't think there's any chance at all we'll manage it.

Dave Lynch
130 Posted 15/08/2022 at 06:37:02
Keep Boys Pen Bill well away from this or we'll end up with fifty quid and Barklay in a swap deal.
Eddie Dunn
131 Posted 15/08/2022 at 07:03:55
I would keep Gordon. We just need a striker, an average Joe - we don't need to sell our most exciting winger.
Let's face it, someone like Adams would be a big upgrade on poor old Rondon.
Jeff Armstrong
132 Posted 15/08/2022 at 07:05:04
Surely this decision ultimately rests with the player, if Frank wants to keep him and Gordon wants to stay, that’s it, or so it should be, why force someone who has been here for 10 years and is only just 21 down to London ? Or Newcastle etc.
If he says no, I want to stay, that’s where it should end.
Joe Digney
133 Posted 15/08/2022 at 07:12:53
We've put a £15 million bid in for the Rennes fella Guirassy apparently… the Gordon money being spent already?
Robert Tressell
134 Posted 15/08/2022 at 07:17:25
I like Gordon a lot but no idea why Chelsea are interested given they already have Havertz, Mount, Pulisic, Hudson-Odoi, Barkley, Ziyech and Sterling.
Andrew McLawrence
135 Posted 15/08/2022 at 07:22:09
This is possibly a simplistic question. But, if Gordon doesn't want to leave, can the club just sell him anyway?

Who has final say, player or club?

Sam Hoare
136 Posted 15/08/2022 at 07:35:02
Gallagher (who I think is a tad overrated on here) and Broja and Pulisic came on for Chelsea yesterday. They are part of Tuchels squad and I'm not sure he'd let them go easily unless they agitated for it. And I'm not sure many of them will be desperate to come to Everton. The likes of Gilmour and Batshuayi are definitely gettable but far less desirable. Hudson-Odoi could be a good option and I seem to remember him doing ok under Lampard.

Lampard clearly loves Gordon and has publicly said he's not going anywhere. It may cause a rift if the board force his hand on this matter and I'd not be surprised to see him stay. But £50-60M would surely be almost impossible to turn down, that would put him in the 50 most expensive footballers ever. A huge amount of money for someone who had a very similar output to Jordan Ayew last year.

We all know that football clubs are businesses at a basic level and our failure to run as a good business over the last 4 years has affected us badly both on and off the pitch. If Lampard and his team are convinced Gordon will be worth more than £50m in 3-4 years, or that his output on the pitch is irreplaceable then they should keep him. Otherwise it makes sense to sell.

Brian Murray
137 Posted 15/08/2022 at 07:35:32
Forget about swaps. When do premier league players ever agree to be make weights their ego is too big for a start. Let gordon be someone else’s problem and put it toward a proper striker not a half fit half arsed dcl. Same with mina we’ve had enough crocks draining us.
Danny O’Neill
138 Posted 15/08/2022 at 07:40:21
Andrew, I'll revert back to Phil's response to me @112 and his reference to Alan Ball.

Probably a lesser example in my living memory, but Andy Gray when we brought in Linekar.

But there is the key; a replacement was lined up. If there are legs in this, maybe that's the negotiations that are ongoing.

So in short, yes. Unfortunately, its business.

We all want to see a local lad come good and do so in a royal blue shirt. Sadly, they are few and far between.

I guess my fear is we are yet to see the best of Gordon. At 21 years old, he won't mature as an attacking midfielder for about 5 years or so. In that respect, someone else gets the best out of him.

Geoff Lambert
139 Posted 15/08/2022 at 07:43:12
I would much rather have one player who would give his all for the team than two who probabley don't even want to come to us. Need to try and move a few others on first and get the wage bill down.
Peter Hodgson
140 Posted 15/08/2022 at 07:57:31
If Chelsea are seriously interested in the lad and the price offered is seriously attractive then there is a deal to be done and it becomes a no brainer. Whether it is a straight cash or player plus cash arrangement is immaterial.

Either would be suitable because, as has been already mentioned more than once, Gordon is some way off being the finished article and I don't think we can afford to wait. Think relegation for next season is a possibility if we don't get it right this season. He might make it or he might not. He might end up being another Barkley. For his sake I hope he doesn't fail but if we are being honest his stats are not too encouraging after the period of time he has been in and around the first team.

We need goals pronto and he isn't going to provide them from what we've seen so far and there is no assurances that Calvert-Lewin will be back in the talked about time frame (I have my doubts about what we are being told) or that he will stay fit and score a sufficient number of goals. I particularly worry on that as he has never really convinced me that he is a natural goal scorer.

I think with hindsight we may regret selling Richy.

Alan McGuffog
141 Posted 15/08/2022 at 08:01:35
I'd seriously consider any bid above £45 million..
Cash in now before he suffers the inevitable hamstring, achilles or knee ligament injury.
Geoff Lambert
142 Posted 15/08/2022 at 08:06:56
If we don't get a striker or two maybe in this window I can see us on around 15 points by 5th November. We have already given the likes of Brentford, Newcastle, Leeds and Brighton a 4-point jump on us.

I can't see the two bottom teams below us not finishing in the Top 10,so we need to start picking up points and the next three games are crucial to our final league position. Forest, Brentford and Leeds are three games we have to take at least 7 points from… 9 ideally.

Stephen Brown
143 Posted 15/08/2022 at 08:08:56
£50m is very good money for Anthony Gordon. Which we would have to take surely!

Or in an ideal world we raise £50 from selling Gbamin, Gomes, Davies and Keane?

Then we can keep Gordon and have the same money?

I can dream!

Ian Riley
144 Posted 15/08/2022 at 08:09:07
Take £50 million and buy 2 strikers. It may be the difference between premiership and championship football next season.

Perhaps it's just a matter of time as players are brought in for the lad to go. It will be better development for the lad. Also better chance of a few medals. Grab the opportunity lad!!!

Brian Porter
145 Posted 15/08/2022 at 08:18:03
Are we so hard up that we need to sell two of our best players in one window? How on earth does that equate with building a new team?
Steve Shave
146 Posted 15/08/2022 at 08:23:57
Some reports suggesting Broja being offered a new deal. That would be a blow. Gallagher plus £20M would also represent fantastic business, Tuchel admitted he could still leave in this window. Going to be an interesting few days.

I wonder if this lamb is being offered to sacrifice more because of formation than need for dosh? 3-5-2 and 5-3-2 make it hard to put Gray and Gordon in the side, I believe this is why there is hard interest in Gibbs-White, he would sit a little deeper and make up part of a midfield 3, he has goals in him too.

Anyway, let's not overlook this possibility and just assume it's all about the money.

Dave Cashen
147 Posted 15/08/2022 at 08:36:51
No end product???

Carlo left him out because he knew he was thrusting too much responsibility on such young shoulders. Too many passengers to carry.

Last season we saw the kid quite literally carry vastly more experienced players who would throw the towel in at the drop of a hat.

He should have been honing skills that would be obvious to Stevie Wonder, instead he was working his balls off fighting for the shirt.

This lad is no Jeffers, Barkley, or Rodwell. He has more drive and aggression than those three put together. When Chelsea (CL ambitions). Spurs (CL ambitions) and Newcastle (unlimited ambition) come calling. You do not make the gap between them and us grow wider by selling them our prize asset.

Kenwright has a long and established history for blowing windfalls on mediocre players.

Sell this boy and we will spend the next 10 years regretting it.

Tony Abrahams
148 Posted 15/08/2022 at 08:38:07
All opinions, Derek@97, but I think Gordon's end product is suffering because he has to do so much of the dirty defensive side of the game whilst playing in this current Everton team.

I think he has Rafa Benitez to thank because, before his arrival, Anthony was light-years behind on this side of the game, but now he does a lot more dirty work for his team.

The reasoning behind Tuchel wanting him might be that, being German, he loves discipline, and he's also probably thinking that Gordon will become a much better player if he plays for a team that usually dominate possession most weeks?

It's an intriguing one, and that's why I thought Carragher and Souness both called it right. You only have to read this thread to understand this. It's also helped me form an opinion of quite a few of our posters’ characters, but I might also be wrong about certain headmasters or policewoman!

James Marshall
149 Posted 15/08/2022 at 08:49:23
Something I've noticed on this thread that hasn't been talked about, is motivation.

One of the absolutely key defining factors in a good signing is their motivation to work hard and succeed. If we swap Gordon for £40/50m and say, Connor Gallagher what are we really getting?

He's been widely reported as wanting to stay at Chelsea, as has Broja and now they're being carted off to Liverpool against their wishes to play for a team that's a huge shit show fighting at the bottom of the league. How anyone can see that as a good idea is beyond me.

I don't rate Anthony Gordon that highly, but his industry had been forced on him to an extent, in order to cover up the failings of others around him. He'll potentially be a much better player in a Chelsea team because he'll have better players around him so will have more freedom to play and won't have to charge about like a maniac for 90 minutes in order to look like he's trying.

We'd end up with Gallagher or Broja, both/either of them entirely unmotivated to play for Everton and likely pretty pissed off at being sold on.

One of our big issues over the years has been motivation or lack of it. This would likely be yet another deal where we end up with players that don't give a shit in my view.

Pete Neilson
150 Posted 15/08/2022 at 08:53:58
Not really sure what's driving the calls for Broja or some of the reasoning for selling Gordon.

Apparently we need to sell Gordon as, at the ripe old age of 21 and after one full season, he still only offers potential and he only scored 4 goals in 35 games last season, playing mainly from out wide.

By that reasoning, poor young Broja is on borrowed time already. He's 21 next month, offers potential and scored 6 goals in 32 games last season playing as a centre forward.

Best of luck to him if he joins us. He'll need it.

Mick Roberts
151 Posted 15/08/2022 at 08:56:12
God... some fans on this site moaning constantly about the majority of players not putting any effort in last season, then championing the sale of one who put 100% every game – talk about fickle!
Andy Meighan
152 Posted 15/08/2022 at 08:56:37
I see a lot on here are bigging up this Broja. Haven't seen that much of the lad myself but he didn't pull up many trees at Southampton.

Now Gallagher… that's a different story. I'd take him in a heartbeat. Doesn't look like he's getting much game time at the Bridge so that could force his hand with the World Cup coming up.

I'll say this, though: if Chelsea come back with £50M our board will bite their hand off. They're fucking horrible.

Personally, I'm in the Keep Gordon camp. There's a lot more to come from the kid.

Mal van Schaick
153 Posted 15/08/2022 at 08:58:04
Agree with #144. Take the money and buy two strikers. If we don't get the strikers in, we will be in a relegation battle and this time we won't be as fortunate.

Mismanagement to leave us in this position when the season has started and we could've had some points in the bag that we need now. Coasting along getting beaten with no new strikers is scandalous.

Frank Sheppard
154 Posted 15/08/2022 at 09:01:32
The funds would be very useful, but I feel we need to keep him, for all sorts of reasons.
Phil Lewis
155 Posted 15/08/2022 at 09:02:09
Dave #147,

Carlo left him out because he knew he wasn't good enough. He wanted players who could use the ball to best effect.

Rodriguez didn't have a fraction of the work rate, but could split the tightest defence in an instant with searching passes and create spectacular goals from nothing.

Gordon will run all day for you and repeatedly tackle back, but that admirable quality is not and never will be a substitute for class and vision.

Danny Baily
156 Posted 15/08/2022 at 09:18:12
There's an excellently timed article in The Guardian today about Jack Rodwell, who has signed for Syndey FC after being released by another A-League side.

We held onto Jack that bit too long and lost out on a big transfer fee. Let's not make that same mistake again.

Tony Everan
157 Posted 15/08/2022 at 09:27:55
I read a while back we are still in dialogue with the Premier League with regards to Profitability & Sustainability and our allowable expenditure under the rules. With McNeil and Onana coming in, have the authorities now called time again?

We haven't got the allowable funds we need to get the players Frank wants. So then it comes down to keeping Gordon and getting a third-choice striker or selling and getting one or two first-choice goalscorers.

I'm sure we will never learn the parameters of this financial straitjacket situation but maybe this is a part of it?

It leaves unwanted and difficult decisions causing divisions and distress, due to the unprecedented incompetence of the past. If they go ahead and sell, the pressure to get the incoming signings right is cranked up to 10.

Robert Williams
158 Posted 15/08/2022 at 09:34:50
PL @106: 'Apart from his evident lack of finishing power, Gordon's main failing is that he creates space for no one. He constantly dribbles himself into dead ends and appears to lack the vision to deliver to team mates better positioned to receive a pass. His stats so far reflect this.'

Totally agree – I'm a seller at those prices.
However, the keepers probably think 'A bird in hand is worth two in a bush!"

Danny O’Neill
159 Posted 15/08/2022 at 09:40:46
Danny Baily @156,

I commented about Coady looking like he looked like a midfielder who had been converted to centre-back.

I often wonder if we'd have done the same with Rodwell, he'd have been in the similar mould to Coady?

Brian Harrison
160 Posted 15/08/2022 at 09:44:29
I think Anthony Gordon has a lot to offer and still quite a bit to learn, but he is young and I am sure, if Lampard stops messing with the lad's head and plays him out wide we will see the best of him. There is no doubt he needs to improve his finishing but I am sure he and the coaches are working on that aspect of his game.

Had the offer been nearer £70 million, it may have been worth considering, but £40 million in today's market for one of the brightest young players in the Premier League is far too cheap. What does concern me is will this turn the lad's head, and no doubt his agent will be wanting more for his player with both Newcastle and Chelsea showing interest.

Just go and get a striker or 2 and let Gordon go back to his best position, also maybe move Iwobi out wide in place of Gray and have a midfield 3 of Allan sitting and Onana and Dele going forward. This 5 at the back is so negative and severely limits our attacking options.

Joe McMahon
161 Posted 15/08/2022 at 10:01:01
It's madness – we could have got Cornet for £17.5 million, a goalscorer with Champions League experience and only 25.
Dermot O'Brien
162 Posted 15/08/2022 at 10:01:09
Sell passion and love of the club, to bring in mercenaries whose time with us will be purgatory for them and are no better?

Gordon doesn't need the 12th man to get him motivated.

If he ever wants to leave, then so be it, but let's not sell him just to get someone else in.

Mark Taylor
163 Posted 15/08/2022 at 10:24:44
Given we most likely have to sell before we buy, and there are big holes to fill, we must entertain any offer that meets an aggressive valuation. £50M for Gordon is a very aggressive valuation, he is certainly not at that level at present, and may never be, so the cash is tempting.

What we do with the money is a separate issue. I understand those who fear we would spunk the cash up against the wall, as per recent precedent, but if we really believe we can't trade and put that money to better use, as teams like Brighton do, we are well and truly doomed.

Eddie Dunn
164 Posted 15/08/2022 at 10:25:17
I'm in the camp that sees Broja as a rather ordinary old-fashioned centre-forward. I watched him quite a bit and, apart from a little spurt of goals, he looked average. Just like Calvert-Lewin, he doesn't have blistering pace, isn't adept at creating his own chances and he would soon have half of ToffeeWeb berating his shortcomings.

Gallagher is mustard but really, why would he come to us? A loan is all we could get him on. Gilmour had one good game v Liverpool and was dropped by Norwich. Swerve him.

And as for Batshuayi... a terrible footballer, an average mercenary who was lucky to play for a great Belgium team that would make Rondon look good.
Keep Gordon.

Knowing our Chairman, we will get £20M plus Barkley and Gilmour.

Mark Ryan
165 Posted 15/08/2022 at 10:31:00
Anthony Gordon is a very promising young Evertonian and I want him to stay. Nobody has given me any clue as to why we would want Broja in exchange.

Gordon has scored few goals because so far he's played in a shit team. Our strikers have scored very few goals in recent seasons because the team has been poor. Don't blame Gordon for a poor goal count.

Give him some strikers to play with and his assists and goals will increase. Strange that, isn't it? Don't sell him to bring in an unproven lad from Slough. [No offence to Slough...]

Dave Abrahams
166 Posted 15/08/2022 at 10:31:15
I think money will do the talking here, we need it to buy the strikers that should have been bought in the last two or three seasons.

Some would sell Anthony without a second thought, not so sure myself. As Brian (160) says, Gordon is best used as a winger, judge him on that and add on his love for Everton, his pressing game and – last but not least – his vast potential, could see us regretting his sale in the years to come.

I hope I'm wrong but I think money will decide the lads future, unless Anthony has the last word and wants to stay and his agent will make sure that Anthony doesn't suffer financially by staying.

Dave Williams
167 Posted 15/08/2022 at 10:38:32
This really is a difficult one. If we can get £50m which is possible if Newcastle get involved then it might be our only way to get one or two of the Chelsea players we fancy.

I haven't seen enough of Broja but Gallagher is very good and Gilmour is a very talented lad. I'd try for Gallagher on a permanent deal plus Gilmour on loan and use the rest of the money on a more established young striker (not a clue who).

I really like Gordon and agree with those who think he'd flourish in a better team but he won't be an Alan Ball type who will drag the rest of the team with him.

He needs service in the right places and one way or another we have to make best use out of him – either get the right players in to play with him or sell him to fill two or three gaps in the side.

Who'd be a football manager??

Peter McEvoy
168 Posted 15/08/2022 at 10:42:49
I may prove unpopular here but I think we should take the £40 million for Anthony Gordon. I think he is vastly overrated, as is Calvert-Lewin and Tom Davies.

If you take the sentiment out of the equation, they all flatter to deceive and deliver very little by way of end product. We need a recognised centre-forward who can score goals consistently. Some of our recent signings have been positive.

Iakovos Iasonidis
169 Posted 15/08/2022 at 10:46:25
I read somewhere that Thomas Tuchel is willing to let Hakim Ziyech and Callum Hudson-Odoi leave Stamford Bridge this summer, while Christian Pulisic is also available.

All 3 of them would be better alternatives to Gordon. He has potential for sure but he is not as important to the team as Richarlison was. For £50M, I would sell.

Danny O’Neill
170 Posted 15/08/2022 at 10:47:23
I don't think you're being unpopular, Peter. I think most of us are in the "stick or twist" space.

Stick and see if he fulfils the potential.

Or twist and change our cards.

Everton won't be built on one player and Frank Lampard is no Alex Ferguson building a dynasty.

He'll be thinking about what he needs for this season, possibly the next one. But not much further beyond that.

Andrew Clare
171 Posted 15/08/2022 at 10:50:07
Definitely keep Gordon he is a cracking young player who is going to get better and better and he's one of us an Evertonian.
So far I have been very underwhelmed by the strikers we have been linked with. None are that prolific in the goals scored department.
We should break the bank for a deadly goal scorer. They are the difference between success and failure.Someone who can get a goal out of nothing. Goals win games.
Brian Williams
172 Posted 15/08/2022 at 10:50:59
We don't have the luxury of waiting on "potential" we need players who can deliver ASAP.

I really don't know whether Anthony will fulfil his potential. Ross Barkley didn't, to use a local lad comparison.

It's about the team performance and balance.

If we could get Gallagher and change for Guirassy or Gallagher and Broja either deal, IMHO, would be excellent business.


We should break the bank for a deadly goal scorer. They are the difference between success and failure.Someone who can get a goal out of nothing. Goals win games.

Andrew. We haven't got the money to do that!!

Jim Lloyd
173 Posted 15/08/2022 at 10:51:11
I could see why the club would sell him if Chelsea are willing to pay sums around or above the £40 million mentioned. It looks like we're in a tight (to say the least!) financial straightjacket.

We can't go out and get a top striker by just signing a cheque. We had money and blew it, at least until the P&S and FP limits are back to a positive for the club.

As Dave (166) has said, we might come to regret the sale. But that might be the decision we have to make. Keep Gordon and hope that he improves his shooting, passing and thinking. Or sell, in order to get at least two players in (one midfielder and one striker)

We've bought McNeil, who I assume is to be played as a wide man on the right. Then there is Mills, who may be ready for an introduction into the team.

So, if finances are tight and we need players who can play in the positions we want to fill, then to me, it makes sense to sell Gordon.

We might regret selling him in the future if he turns out to be an excellent all-round player,who can score goals, pass and sees a move rather than running down blind alleys. But equally, he might just carry on playing as he does now.

A big gamble but one the club might have to make.

Raymond Fox
174 Posted 15/08/2022 at 10:51:53
I was in the camp for keeping Gordon but, if we can get a deal with Chelsea for £50M, which includes cash and player/s, I might be up for it.

Chelsea must have liked what they saw when we played them last week.

Pete Neilson
175 Posted 15/08/2022 at 10:57:21
Mark (165) you've summed it up nicely. There were many reasonable comments when we signed Dwight McNeil on his stats of 0 goals and 1 assist in 40 games last season, dismissing their relevance as he was in a poor team. Using the same measure it suggests Anthony didn't do too badly.

Personally I thought that along with Richarlison and Pickford he was the heart of the team last season. I'd like to keep him as I think he could be a fantastic player, hence why teams are already rating him at £40M plus.

We'll probably exchange him for Koulibaly.

Jim Lloyd
176 Posted 15/08/2022 at 10:57:24
Peter (168) Great time to become a Blue! Lets hope for more.
Dave Abrahams
177 Posted 15/08/2022 at 10:57:57
Danny (170),

That's what it comes down to at the end of the day “Stick or Twist” – it's a gamble either way.

Ajay Gopal
178 Posted 15/08/2022 at 11:04:53
We as fans want what is best for our club, but could we spare a thought for the individual involved?

Anthony is a young man and has just started realising his potential at Everton, a club that he has admitted he has no interest in leaving.

Would you still want to force the young man's hand and move to Chelsea, where, let us be honest - there is probably only a 10% chance that he will succeed? Rather than keep him at Everton, where the odds are I would say 50-50 that he will make an impact?

I am in the camp that says – keep him, and build the team around him and the other young lads – Onana, Mykolenko, Patterson, McNeil, Iwobi, Godfrey, Holgate, Calvert-lewin, maybe Simms next year, even Tom Davies if he is played in a stable role.

Get rid of the high earners who are not contributing to the club at the moment - Mina, Gomes, Allan, Doucoure, Gbamin, even Dele Alli who has been a major disappointment.

And then, like many on here – Danny, Sam Hoare, Robert Tressell, etc have been saying for a long time, cast the net wide and find the next Onana, Haaland, Son, etc. Let Frank Lampard and his coaching staff earn their money by finding the system and tactics that work best for the group of players we already have.

Most of all, we as fans need to be patient and trust that Lampard will ultimately find the winning formula, and take us to the promised land - in a couple of years time. Until then, Thelwell will have to wheel and deal with the available resources and try to strengthen the squad by calling in some favours.

For example, knowing that Mina is out injured for another 8 weeks (surprise, surprise), Keane is our most saleable asset at the moment. He should fetch us £20 million easily from one of the Premier League new boys – Fulham, Forest or Bournemouth. Use that money to get in a striker that we have been linked to recently – Sasa, Guirassay, Ajorque, etc.

And call in a favour from Carlo - I think Eden Hazard is finished there at Real Madrid, he is still 31 years, he will want to play regularly in a World Cup year. Frank knows him from his Chelsea days.

He will provide the experience in midfield and will help bring on the likes of Gordon, Gray, McNeil, Iwobi, etc. He could thrive here at Everton – bring him on a season-long loan with an option to buy.

Ken Kneale
179 Posted 15/08/2022 at 11:26:36
We had a situation in 1973-74 where goals were problematic and ended up losing our best midfield player to sign Bob Latchford as Birmingham City needed players not money at the time.

In an ideal world, that 73-74 side would have been better with both Howard Kendall and Latchford in it but the manager went for goals.

Gordon is no Howard Kendall but the manager's problem is the same – I suspect as Danny says, the needs of the immediate season and the next will be in the manager's mind given his paucity of financial options and position of the club thanks to 30 years of Bill Kenwright

Barry Rathbone
180 Posted 15/08/2022 at 11:28:00
This is the problem for the likes of Chelsea and Man Utd the global cupboard for top talent is absolutely bare so they now find themselves throwing money at anything that moves. No disrespect intended here but £40M for Gordon???

The footballing death of Messi and Ronaldo has exposed just how low the standard has fallen the purchase of guaranteed "gamechangers" can no longer happen – they don't exist.

John Kavanagh
181 Posted 15/08/2022 at 11:33:36
What sort of signal will this give to our other young players? That we are a selling club so that you should negotiate the best deal you can as soon as other clubs tap you up, or just simply leave at 17 if anyone offers more wages.

Broja just looks like a fitter version of Rondon to me, which isn't difficult. Gallagher is a good young player but is totally committed to Chelsea and is unlikely to be motivated by a move to us.

I fear that Gordon's sale was already decided weeks ago and that McNeil was bought as his replacement, not Richarlison's. It doesn't look like an improvement to my eyes.

Can't wait to see the new improved pragmatic teary-eyed Blue Bill explaining that we had to do it to improve the team and that Gordon wanted away. At least Mills is looking good enough for the first team now, until we sell him.

Frank Knight
182 Posted 15/08/2022 at 11:36:50
Mbappe and Haaland spring straight to mind, but I get your point Barry (180).

I remember an interview last year with Gordon, he is very home centred and I cannot see him wanting a move.

I don't think we should be looking at moving him on either, his improvement continues apace, he can get in behind defences and his pace worries teams.

As others have said, his strengths open spaces for others and unless you're getting two to three real squad players in guaranteed, there is no chance he'll be moving on this window.

He is a game changer, he is not a centre forward or winger, he really would slot well either side of the striker in the 5-3-2 and 4-5-1 set-ups. Too good to lose I reckon.

Fran Mitchell
183 Posted 15/08/2022 at 11:38:39
I think the lad is a really exciting talent and end product is a matter of time.

It's desperate that once again, we look set to lose our best academy product for a generation.

However, one player doesn't make a team and currently our team is greatly lacking.

IF... big capital IF, selling Gordon is the difference between us signing further attackers and a midfielder, then it must be considered. If we can sign an attacker and midfielder without selling Gordon, then I'd prefer he stays. Only those at the club know the truth in regards to that.

Hudson-Odoi is an excellent prospect also, imo, if we got him and say Gilmour (by the looks of it, both Gallagher and Broja will be part of Chelsea's plans this season) as part of any deal plus cash to buy a striker, then it would make sense.

Craig Walker
184 Posted 15/08/2022 at 11:42:12
I like Gordon for his attitude. I wish he'd cut out the theatrics. The two corners he put into the keeper's hands at the weekend were so frustrating.

My concern is that he gets us further up the pitch and works his socks off but he doesn't do enough in the final third.

The question I would have is how could we invest the money to get more goals and a goal threat?

If we could get two players that would achieve that then I'd be up for selling. We won't win games without goals. My preference was to sell Calvert-Lewin and keep Richarlison.

Dermot O'Brien
185 Posted 15/08/2022 at 11:44:41
Sell passion and love of the club, to bring in mercenaries whose time with us will be purgatory for them and are no better?

Gordon doesn't need the 12th man to get him motivated.

If he ever wants to leave then so be it, but let's not sell him just to get someone else, with less or similar ability, and no desire for Everton.

Peter Mills
186 Posted 15/08/2022 at 11:50:49

You've just opened up an old wound that I thought was completely healed - the sale of Howard broke my heart, necessary though it might have been.

I always followed his fortunes at Birmingham, Stoke, Blackburn, but there was only one place he ever belonged.

Robert Tressell
187 Posted 15/08/2022 at 11:52:44
By all accounts, we have enough money to keep Gordon and buy a striker for up to around £15M to £20M – or a loan.

I think that is the better way forward than selling (as people have said) a highly motivated young player who puts in a hell of a shift and is improving too.

We could get £40m say but then we have to replace Gordon too. So it doesn't give us a great deal more to play with for the striker we need.

Lots of strikers still available in our price bracket too.

James Hughes
188 Posted 15/08/2022 at 11:55:52
Ajay, a great post mate. The reports I have seen say that he is a local lad who, for now, wants to stay local.

Michael Kenrick
189 Posted 15/08/2022 at 11:58:09
The Echo coming out guns blazing to shoot all this down. No official bid was even received (they say), and no change to the club's previously stated position on the player.

But they strangely leave the door slightly ajar for the club's will to be tested by a bigger bid...

Joe McMahon
190 Posted 15/08/2022 at 12:02:21
Ken @179.

That's an interesting point, and even though it was 50 years ago, I'm sure many teams have had similar situations over the years also. Spurs probrably didn't want to sell Modric or Bale, and Arsenal Van Persie.

I mainly don't dwell on the past, but I was very annoyed when Gary Speed left, and in an ideal situation he would have stayed.

Regards Gordon, personally I don't care where players come from as the game has moved on from the '60s (someone please tell Kenwright that). I just don't see him being the player we want or need him to be. Anything above £40 million is a very good price (IMO), and is more than Liverpool paid for Sadio Mane.

Larry O'Hara
191 Posted 15/08/2022 at 12:06:10
Ajay (178) you talk a lot of sense
Stephen Williams
192 Posted 15/08/2022 at 12:07:04
There seems to be two schools of thought:

1. Big clubs don't sell their best players, and
2. This is too good to turn down.

I would argue that there are plenty of examples where big clubs do sell their best players – particularly if doing so allows the team to be strengthened in other areas to make the whole team better. In my opinion this is what is likely to happen here. That's what big clubs do.

Whilst I've never been convinced about Gordon, I was prepared to give him the opportunity to move to a level that I would be convinced about. To date, he hasn't done that (but might do in the future) – this has nothing to do with him being played out of position in two games (that is a red herring). £50M is a truly great price (for us) for someone who doesn't score or assist.

The trick is investing £50M wisely and I accept we don't have great form in that area. Hopefully Lampard and Thelwell can break that mould.

For me, neither Broja nor Gilmour are good enough and I just can't understand so many advocating their acquisition – I'm sure Chelsea would be delighted. Gilmour was woeful at Norwich and can't even get in Chelsea's expanded matchday squad and Broja (after a reasonable start when he was an unknown) didn't pull up any trees at Saints. A Saints fan who's a good friend and a good judge of a player wouldn't have him back.

Gerard McKean
193 Posted 15/08/2022 at 12:07:21
Danny, 159, all far too late and academic now but I agree with you on Rodwell.

I spoke to Jack several times when he was still at Everton and once suggested to him he should model himself on Franz Beckenbauer, who of course moved from midfield to central defence (Libero to be more precise) at an early stage in his career.

I was surprised that the young Rodwell was only just about aware of the name but knew nothing of the style of play of Der Kaiser. Next time I saw him, I gave Jack an old video which contained some clips of Beckenbauer. Something tells me he never watched it. He could have been some player that lad.

James Hughes
194 Posted 15/08/2022 at 12:09:07
I really don't get some of the comments on here that he has no end product.

THE TEAM has been in a state of flux for the past few years and he has been one of the few bright spots. But some posters seem to think he should already be almost as good as Arjen Robben in his pomp.

We keep saying we need to build a team of hungry youngsters but as soon as we get one. NAH, feck it sell him,

Michael Lynch
195 Posted 15/08/2022 at 12:17:34
I tend to agree with Ajay here. The lad would be mad to leave at this stage. He's in the very early stages of his career, and he needs to play regularly. He won't do that at Chelsea - there are better/older players than him who can't get into the side - but he is treasured at Everton and first on the team sheet.

Plus, he's never shown any signs of wanting to leave yet. Richarlison was obviously going to go sooner or later, but he's four years further down the line with his career.

We really shouldn't be putting pressure on Anthony to move, even if Chelsea offer £60M. The lad's one of our own, and what exactly are we if we don't do everything we can to keep hold of him? What's the point of us?

Tom Bowers
196 Posted 15/08/2022 at 12:26:17
A rock and a hard place. What do Everton have to do and what can we make do with.

We need to win games and the only way to win is to score goals, regularly.

There is nobody in the squad who has proved he can do that except maybe Dele in his hay day at Spurs and DCL (injured).

If Frank expects Gordon playing furthest forward like the Villa game is the man to do it then he is sadly so wrong.

I don't know what the plan was on Saturday but it was all wrong.

Since our last Prem. win we have lost to Arsenal twice, Chelsea, Villa and a weak MLS team.

Now, we can all say and hope things will get better but not if you cannot score and score first.

Perhaps when the new midfield (when it get's sorted) will change things but it needs to be soon as we are in a familiar place in the league once again.

Peter Hodgson
197 Posted 15/08/2022 at 12:34:47
Jim @ 173

Stick or Twist is always a gamble whether it is in cards or football. It only becomes a necessary in either case when things become desperate.

Our needs for a striker or two and our need to stay within FFP rules make our needs desperate so the gamble needs to be taken if it presented to us.

It of course might not happen for a thousand and one reasons so our needs will remain desperate with that choice removed from our options. With luck that won't result in Chelsea giving us Barkley back and we have to decide on which other route we are going to take to score the requisite number of goals this season to avoid relegation.

David West
198 Posted 15/08/2022 at 12:37:17
At 40-50 mil cash it's a deal we would have to take imo. It shows that spurs got Richarlison for a snip at 50m.
100m for the pair is good business tho.

Gordon now is suffering from not being ina settled position, a young developing wing player being asked to play target man and false 9. Does he even get a game in Chelsea side. Not for me.
I think he COULD be a top player but he's not yet and they are offering top money. This was how Moyes had to build his squad. Selling Rooneys,Rodwell, lescott etc.

Its a fact of the game that we need to have sellable assets or we end up the wrong side of the profit & sustainability rules. That's why we are in this financial mess because we have been buying buying buying and getting nothing back for average players. I can't name a player we sold apart from digne in last few years that we got a good fee for.
Mosie kean but not massive profit.

If he was not a scouser and a blue we probably wouldn't be having the debate. People moan about bills sentimentality but we need to see this for what it is an excellent business deal.

John Keating
199 Posted 15/08/2022 at 12:38:55
As much as I think we should keep all our best young players, especially home grown, we have to be realistic

Look at the position we are presently in especially up front.
We are mentioning forwards most of us have never heard of.

So do we stay as we are and hope DCL come back all guns blazing or do we sell one of our very few assets and get someone half decent up top

Long term keep Gordon and go through another relegation nightmare
Short term sell Gordon and finish lower mid table

Mat McConville
200 Posted 15/08/2022 at 12:43:07
I've heard this is a done deal for a staggering £55 million.
Ciarán McGlone
201 Posted 15/08/2022 at 12:47:46
£50M will probably see this done and we are immediately a far worse team.

But then again, with Frank's stubborn insistence on playing a 5-man defence, we've no need for talented wingers.

Who is left to get you off your seat?

Neil Lawson
202 Posted 15/08/2022 at 12:59:36
This is a fascinating debate. Many good arguments on all sides.

If you remove emotion, the logical approach is to accept a huge bid for an, as yet, unproven talent who may, heaven forbid, pick up a nasty injury at any time. If so, it is absolutely crucial that the money is spent wisely. I would not sanction a £50M sale to buy another £50M player. There has to be a complete plan in place.

Ultimately, would any of us think that if we bought Gordon for £50M that it would be a good deal. I think not. I don't want to see him leave. I want to see him remain and to flourish. However, unless we have the money, is that possible?

Heads you win, tails you lose.

Michael Lynch
203 Posted 15/08/2022 at 13:00:43
Mat, I really hope you're wrong. What will we do with £55 million, blow it on two Dwight McNeils and a Tosun?

What's the point of Everton if we sell Richarlison and Gordon in one window?

Mike Corcoran
204 Posted 15/08/2022 at 13:01:44
We can buy and sell ad infintum but until the team have, and accept, understand and deploy, clearly coached concepts, then combine and apply them with strength of will and belief as a whole team, we are going nowhere.

Gordon would improve a lot under those circumstances. Until then, though, a decent holding midfielder and two handful strikers please.

Peter Hodgson
205 Posted 15/08/2022 at 13:05:36
Mat @ 200

I've heard this is a done deal for a staggering £55 million.

I hope you are right and someone isn't trying to wind everyone up. I have my doubts though so will keep my eyes and ears open for confirmation.

Do you have a source for your info that you can publish for us on here?

Tony Everan
206 Posted 15/08/2022 at 13:05:59
Mat #200

Where did you hear that?

Michael Lynch
208 Posted 15/08/2022 at 13:11:25
I think we need to forget about Mina. He'll turn up every couple of months, play half a game, then disappear to the treatment room.

We have to assume he doesn't exist when it comes to planning our squad for the season.

Dave Abrahams
209 Posted 15/08/2022 at 13:13:27
Gerard (193),

Alan Stubbs used to advise him to stay back after training had finished and do some extra work on his game but Jack never took up the offer.

Maybe once he was in the first team, he thought he had made it without realising the more you put in the more you benefit. Too late now, as you say, Gerard.

Michael Lynch
210 Posted 15/08/2022 at 13:14:52
Twitter rumours include: photo of Anthony Gordon in Harrods. I'm guessing this was taken over the summer holidays, not today, so mark it down as bollocks.

Second rumour is that the Chelsea bid is actually around £25M plus a load of add-ons. I'm hoping that our board are still laughing at that one, and replaying the Tuchel/Conte handshake on a loop just to remind themselves what a clown he is.

Brian Murray
211 Posted 15/08/2022 at 13:15:44
Gana, Lukaku, Richarlison, to name a few – all sold without a replacement already lined up.

What makes the Gordon situation any different?

Mark Ryan
212 Posted 15/08/2022 at 13:16:03
Anthony Gordon gives his heart and soul for us, the fans, every time he plays. He's developing well. So fuck it, let's sell our one blue gem. Let's cash in and get what exactly ?

I hope the club know what they are doing. I will be saddened, deeply saddened to lose such a good prospect. I want to see him flourish under us, not with Chelsea or Newcastle

Andrew Keatley
213 Posted 15/08/2022 at 13:19:13
Mat (200) - I think your choice of adjective is pretty apt. If Chelsea have offered £55 million, then turning that down would be even more staggering.

We need a match-winning striker now. Probably two. We cannot rely on Calvert-Lewin to get fit enough to play a stretch of games – let alone stay fit for the rest of the season. I'd take the money and be ambitious about who we can get through the door.

We still have over 2 weeks to bring in a player or two who are ready to hit the ground running now and make us a more dangerous attacking prospect. I'd rather see that happen than keep Gordon and have to be hopeful about a £15 million striker or whoever we might be able to acquire at the tail-end of their career, or on loan (if we can even loan anyone right now after Vinagre and Coady coming in...)

Michael Lynch
214 Posted 15/08/2022 at 13:23:47
I'd like to know who this £55M striker is people think we could buy. It's mid-August, the top strikers have found their homes for the season, and why would they come to us anyway if they're that good? To be in a relegation battle alongside Tarkowski and Dwight McNeil?

If we had that sort of money to spend on a striker, we'd just buy one of the same nonentities we've been linked with all summer, but we'd pay double the price for him.

If we really do get £55M, I hope we'll be holding on to it for next summer, not splashing it out now on some imaginary hot striker who's just waiting for us to make a bid for him.

John Pickles
215 Posted 15/08/2022 at 13:25:58
We have a young player who several top sides are willing to throw big money at bring to their club, he must therefore be decent.

This player is about the only player who says he only wants to play for us and is a local lad and fan.

We need a striker but are in the financial mess mainly because are scouts can't tell the difference between Lionel Messi and Oumar Niasse. They are therefore just as likely to waste any big money we get on another expensive flop.

Keep Gordon and do the hard work necessary to find a young, hungry striker that doesn't cost the earth.

Tom Bowers
216 Posted 15/08/2022 at 13:27:56
Talking of Chelski's ''unwanted'' players, wasn't Lukaku one of them and he didn't turn out so bad with Everton — right!
Clive Rogers
217 Posted 15/08/2022 at 13:31:31
We are nowadays a selling club and have been since Kenwright took over. It started with Rooney and has continued since:

Lukaku, Stones, Fellaini, Digne, Gueye, Lescott, Barkley, Jeffers, Rodwell, Arteta, Ferguson, Richarlison, etc.

All the above players were taken away from us either at their peak or because of their potential. If Onana proves to be good, I'll give him two seasons with us, tops.

Mat McConville
218 Posted 15/08/2022 at 13:31:50
From a link to his parents.

I do trust the person who told me, but you can never be sure these things don't emanate from 'bloke down the pub'.

The fee is rising to £55M (max) including add-ons and there is the suggestion of them agreeing to sell us one player and loan another as part of the deal. Gordon is meeting the Chelsea owner today.

I've also heard Che Adams is likely, but not as sure on that one.

Steavey Buckley
219 Posted 15/08/2022 at 13:34:10
Everton are now in catchup mode, because they don't have an effective and stable side as they approach their 3rd game without a point against a Nottingham Forest next home again, who have bought well and have defeated a very good West Ham side.
Michael Lynch
220 Posted 15/08/2022 at 13:34:52
Mat, I so hope you're wrong – not just on the Gordon thing, but also on the Che Adams thing.

We are truly fucked if this is where we are. Selling our best-loved current player on the drip to a club that will bench him then loan him out, and buying Southampton rejects.

Sweet baby Jesus, what a shit-show.

David West
221 Posted 15/08/2022 at 13:47:40
Agree, Tom @216.

A few years ago, Chelsea bought up all the young talent, had to loan them all out and they got restless waiting for a chance in the Chelsea team that's not coming like Lukaku, Salah etc. There is quality in the players Chelsea are not using.I'm sure Frank knows that.

It's not just Chelsea, these big clubs can do that and afford to loan them out – look at Gallagher, back there now after his loan.

Just because players aren't playing for their respective first teams, they can still turn out to be good players.

Artea was struggling when he came to Everton.
Pienaar was a bit of an enigma before he came.
Kevin Campbell did a boss job for us but we took him out of a nightmare for him.

Tim Howard was not considered good. Sometimes players find the right place to express themselves and flourish.

I hope this is where Frank uses the connection with Chelsea to get a couple who obviously have talent and just need the right place to show it.

Kevin Molloy
222 Posted 15/08/2022 at 13:52:22
I think it is easy to get dazzled by the fact that £50M is being offered out of the blue for a player who is currently not pulling up trees. But for many different reasons, he's our most important player.

And in terms of the business angle, he's what 21? We could sell him in 5 years and still get that money, so why do it now?

Remember John Stones, and the £50M offered for a player who we got for buttons? What a deal. In hindsight, not so much. We could have had him in our back four for the last 5 years, and still sold him for more than that now. And that's with him not noticeably improving.

But I think it's a done deal. Just reflect on the fact that Everton have still got him on that bollocks contract they gave him a couple of years ago, when Ancelotti was sending him to Preston. That's how desperate we are to keep him.

Ian Riley
223 Posted 15/08/2022 at 13:54:53
Goals will keep us up. Money will do that. Our aim this season is staying in the Premier League. I would love Anthony Gordon to stay, develop and become our captain but he can't. Simply we are Everton and don't do that. Staying in the Premier League is an achievement. Top 6? Get the open-top bus out!

Something is simply wrong at this club. Even with Calvert-Lewin and Richarlison, our goal ratio was poor. Look at teams we should be beating and they all have goalscorers. We are struggling to score and a relegation battle will commence as early as September if no strikers are signed.

I'm happy for Gordon to go as he will be the player critiqued more as he is one of our own. Yes, he has potential but that's all at present. I deeply feel sorry for the lad. The club have placed an enormous amount of pressure on him with no support next to him.

The bigger picture is staying up and doing that we need strikers. Season after season selling our top strikers may just come back and bite us on the backside. Financially we need funds to push through transfers. Gordon may have to be sacrificed to do this. Sadly, it's very frustrating.

Gerry Clarke
224 Posted 15/08/2022 at 13:55:57
I hope if Gordon does go, and I'd prefer if he didn't, that we don't end up with a crap deal like, Barkley, Batshuayi, and a few million.

If Gallagher or Broja are not part of the deal, then it's £50+ million or no deal.

Matthew Williams
225 Posted 15/08/2022 at 14:00:35
It's never a dull moment following my beloved Blues...

I am torn over this one, we need strikers now who can hit the ground running and turn our fortunes round desperately or we'll just sink further into the mire.

Colin Malone
226 Posted 15/08/2022 at 14:02:17
Joe # 104.

My apologies if I sounded rude. Them saves against Chelsea, Man Utd, Leicester where, in my opinion, the reason we are still in the Premier League.

Ian Hanes
227 Posted 15/08/2022 at 14:02:18
Colin (43)
That’s got to be my favourite post on here for a while. Totally agree mate!
Ken Kneale
228 Posted 15/08/2022 at 14:04:02
Apologies Peter – it seemed like a good comparison, but as you say, home is where the heart is – and Goodison was certainly home for Howard Kendall.
Will Mabon
229 Posted 15/08/2022 at 14:04:08
Danny @ 99:

With the state of things travel-wise currently (which will consolidate over the coming times, another story), it sounds like what you have when travelling to watch the Blues, is a job for a car (while that's still viable).

I understand the time factor, Euston up to the North-West, when things are okay – but right now...

Michael Connelly
230 Posted 15/08/2022 at 14:06:04
In an ideal world, Gordon is kept as part of the squad, and develops as a player over the next 2-3 years.

The club however, exists in a world far removed from an ideal one.

His pace and energy are valuable assets, but his shooting is still weak, and his crossing is not top of the range either. Given the fact that he is 22 this season, I would say that there is a limit on how much either his shooting or crossing will improve from here on in.

I would be confident that Thelwell and Lampard could find sufficient calibre of players using the transfer fee that would improve our output by a much higher factor than if Gordon was to stay, and that those calculations have already been carried out.

He could well be ringing Richarlison up over the next week or two asking if he can kip on the couch until he finds himself a place to stay...

Peter Neilson
231 Posted 15/08/2022 at 14:10:47
Forget Che Adams, the latest striker linked to us by the media is Antoine Semenyo at Bristol City.

22-year-old centre-forward with 18 goals in 136 games. But to be fair 8 of those came last season.

Injured at the moment, since June, but might be fit again soon. Bidding starting at £15M. We can only dream.

Mark Ryan
232 Posted 15/08/2022 at 14:21:23
Gerry @ 224, everyone else who's shouted out for Broja has dodged my question:

Why Broja to Everton? Why do we want him? What does he offer us apart from the fact he is a forward?

Jamie Crowley
233 Posted 15/08/2022 at 14:42:55
I had to sprint to the end of this – there's 231 comments and I presently can't read all of them.

I think, if we can get that kind of money for Anthony, we unfortunately have to let him go. He's young, oodles of talent, but he doesn't seem to be a natural finisher to my eye, and I think he could struggle for goals throughout his career.

Due to that, and due to our crap financial position and current needs on the pitch, if we sell Anthony for that much and can add a striker and a central midfielder, I think it's best.

Quite unfortunately I'd add.

Eddie Dunn
234 Posted 15/08/2022 at 14:44:42
Moshiri did say "judge us at the end of the window"!!

Well, I didn't envisage us selling one of our crown jewels to bloody Chelsea to receive payment in installments and makeweights like Broja, Barkley, Batshuayi or Gary bloody Gilmour. ;-)

Sam Hoare
235 Posted 15/08/2022 at 14:45:04
A lot of people saying he will be great if played on the wing but that could be a big part of any decision to let him go.

If Lampard and Thelwell are determined to keep with this formation, then it does not suit wingers, as wingbacks should be providing the width (note to Mykolenko).

Gordon is great with space to play in but not yet suited to play centre-forward or possibly inside forward which is what this system seems to require.

He doesn't yet possess the short passing or quick and consistent decision-making that an inside forward requires. In some ways, I think he'd be better suited as a wingback!

If management is determined to persist with a formation (which seems to be the case) that doesn't suit him, then surely that's a good reason to accept a generous bid?

Gerry Clarke
236 Posted 15/08/2022 at 14:46:49
Mark @ 232,

I'm not really 'shouting out' for Broja, I thought he looked decent for Southampton last season and should improve given his age, certainly a better option than Batshuayi.

As you say, we badly need a striker and none of the others being mentioned fill me with enthusiasm.

Mike Gwyer
237 Posted 15/08/2022 at 14:53:06

Out of interest, name me a club that isn't a selling club? So, if the money is right then Gordon will be sold.

We looked so toothless on Saturday and the game against Forest this weekend is already a 6-pointer. We need a front man urgently and please, not Rondon..

Matthew Williams
238 Posted 15/08/2022 at 14:54:56
I read the other day that the Jebbison deal could be back on... a decent young striker.

If the deal for Gana is off, then I'd still go for the lad Ampadu.

Kevin Molloy
239 Posted 15/08/2022 at 14:57:44
I just spoke to a mate who's a Southampton fan. Doesn't rate either Adams or Broja. These clubs see us coming from 50 miles away.

If Lampard sells Gordon and buys a couple of duds with the money, would anyone be surprised? I suspect the club will want Gordon to agitate now for a transfer so that no blame can be apportioned to the righteous.

Back in the real world, Bill has clearly been hawking our chap all over the place this summer, à la Rooney. I refuse to believe these clubs are all over us like a cheap suit cos they all individually earmarked our 21-year-old as their must-have target.

Jamie Crowley
240 Posted 15/08/2022 at 15:09:42

Chelsea offered £40M for Gordon. It would appear they have genuine interest in Anthony, and it's not Kenwright flogging him to every Tom, Dick and Harry.

I get your sentiment, I just don't think it's applicable at all with this situation.

Kevin Molloy
241 Posted 15/08/2022 at 15:18:17

I would only add that Newcastle and Tottingham have also been sniffing around all summer. After Rooney's departure, I don't believe in coincidences.

James Fletcher
242 Posted 15/08/2022 at 15:22:10
I don't think it's that much of a coincidence that several clubs are interested in our 21-year-old Player of the Season...
Mike Hayes
243 Posted 15/08/2022 at 15:22:17
Can't we just get shut of Kenwright instead? 🤷
Will Mabon
244 Posted 15/08/2022 at 15:23:49
Has there ever been another club that drove so hard to initiate a world class avant-garde stadium, whilst simultaneously taking all the steps to ensure the most beige, also-ran team with which to grace it?

To repeat something I posted earlier, we have to now, heard nothing from the club to say the sale of Gordon (or anyone else) is necessary to assemble the planned squad.

However, we probably don't have to; it's not exactly a wild stretch of the imagination to picture the twee statement of lament from Kenwright (if they'll still allow him to speak).

When a "Big" club comes in for one of our players, the board responds like one of those fainting goats. It's like we're not worthy. The outcome is inevitable.

Are we really in such a state, and really so unsure of the future, that we can't take the "Risk" on whether Gordon will develop to the level we hope, with us.

Are we that sure of our place as plucky Everton that we have to keep hammering it into ourselves year after year? We actually used to be a big club, in asset and mindset.

I hope as hinted above in the thread, that it's all rumour and I'm totally wrong. We'll see.

"We've had some good times".

Jamie Crowley
245 Posted 15/08/2022 at 15:24:37
Kevin again, I get it, I just don't think it's accurate.

Chelsea, Spurs, and Newcastle have something in common – stupidly wealthy owners. They see talent in Gordon. They want him.

For me, I don't think Bill could persuade any of these three uber wealthy "Barrons" to buy a 4-goal potentially great player. Instead, all of them see talent and, for Everton's sake, let's hope the bidding war gets stupid.

I think Anthony is out the door, to be honest. There's too much buzz with this, and it makes too much sense in my opinion.

Mike Gaynes
246 Posted 15/08/2022 at 15:24:58
I have a Clueless Yank question for the congregation.

Is there an additional commercial value to the player if he's a local who came through our academy, like Gordon and Davies?

I do somewhat understand the additional emotional attachment from the fans (although if my baseball Cubs or basketball Bulls have a player from Chicago, it's noteworthy but a big emotional thing).

I just wondered if the Premier League actually assigns an additional benefit to homegrown-and-raised players?

Andy Meighan
247 Posted 15/08/2022 at 15:27:42
Don't know if anyone else has had these, probably have by now. I've just had a couple of WhatsApps.

One taken from Twitter that says Gordon has officially handed in a transfer request, and another a pic of him in Euston Station.

Now you know how these things can be doctored so I'm taking it with the proverbial pinch of.

Jamie Crowley
248 Posted 15/08/2022 at 15:30:16

You, and a lot of other posters, are scarred by Rooney. Completely understandable, I don't blame you or anyone.

But dude, you have to bring in young talent, and when the offer comes in that's stupid or too good to turn down, you take the offer and accept your money. That is the business model (or should be).

So forget about the distant past and Rooney. The realization is, when we get a dumb over-valued offer for the young gems, we're taking it.

In two years, Onana might be sold for £65 million and we'll have a gapping hole in midfield. It's still the right thing to do if you re-invest, plug the hole with the next profit-making youngster.

This is the way forward. And this is Kevin Thelwell, not Bill Kenwright, pulling the strings.

Brian Murray
249 Posted 15/08/2022 at 15:32:02
Mike @243,

That suggestion is not even on the table. Seen it for myself the other week. Evertonians love and embrace this type of Everton.

Matthew Williams
250 Posted 15/08/2022 at 15:32:59
I would've kept hold of Broadhead and Simms and loaned out Dobbin and Branthwaite.

Our game now verses Forest is massive for us, we must simply win it... We need to finalize a deal or two for strikers now... just get it done, Blues!

Will Mabon
251 Posted 15/08/2022 at 15:34:46
Andy, I know Anthony's quick, but to be pictured in Harrod's before he even got pictured at the station – now that's fast.
Mike Gaynes
252 Posted 15/08/2022 at 15:37:15
Wow, the Gordon bid is big footy business news around the world. Even Forbes is writing about it:

Everton Should Consider Anthony Gordon Sale If Chelsea Raise Transfer Bid

Will Mabon
253 Posted 15/08/2022 at 15:38:25
Jamie, 'scarred' is one word for it!

Sell young talent to bring in young talent?

That's why I have a problem - and I still would if what we brought in was actually young talent. Club's got previous.

Jamie Crowley
254 Posted 15/08/2022 at 15:42:45
One more note before I focus on work – ya know, the thing I should be doing.

I did read comments saying Anthony is a home-grown "lad" (love that term) and might not want to leave.

Anthony Gordon, though local, is a professional footballer. As such, I'm quite sure he understands it's a business. If he's moved on, he moves on.

I don't care if he grew up on this famous but never-seen-by-me Scottie Road. It doesn't matter. He's an asset and player, and as such, he needs to be prepared to go afield. It's part of the gig.

Jamie Crowley
255 Posted 15/08/2022 at 15:43:42
Will -

So much for the last comment! Reel me in.

And the previous? Was Kevin Thelwell at the helm for that?


Christopher Timmins
256 Posted 15/08/2022 at 15:45:39
If, and it's a big 'if', Chelsea come back in with an offer of £50 million, then we have to take the money and move on.

I saw Wayne play for the club – I am sure most of you who contribute to the forum did as well. He was a once-in-a-generation player. Anthony Gordon is simply no Wayne Rooney.

He has potential but it's not that long ago that he was failing to make an impact in the Championship. Would anyone have blinked if Rafa farmed him out on loan at the start of last season?

We need a striker!!!!!!

Will Mabon
257 Posted 15/08/2022 at 15:46:27

I'll add, I understand your point, and the model you allude, and it's realistic. That position however is the next step from where we are. We're not even trying to improve as even a mid-level club.

Yes, we're just post-relegation, but if all there is, is fighting to avoid relegation again, with not even an eye on the medium term by keeping as asset we already have at little cost (Gordon) - then what are we about?

*not considering Thelwell; early days. The millstone takes a long time to wind down.

Michael Lynch
258 Posted 15/08/2022 at 15:50:00
Re the sightings of Gordon at Euston - one lad said he saw him getting into a taxi yesterday, another posted a picture of him with his bird in Euston today. He must fucking love hanging around stations if he's been there two days running. And he's also been photographed grinning like an idiot in Harrods?

I reckon that, if he was signing for Chelsea, he'd be driven down in a big car with blacked-out windows, rather than taking the 11:47 from Lime Street and hanging out in the world's most famous shop in his shorts and baseball cap on a day when he's supposed to be in Finch Farm training with the rest of the squad.

Nick Page
259 Posted 15/08/2022 at 15:51:14
How come Brighton can sell one of their defenders for £50-60M, and are then straight in with a bid for a lad from Villarreal for £15M? How?

Why can they build a team so well? Same with Brentford... and we're still pissing around looking for a striker when we knew Calvert-Lewin was likely to get injured. One fucking striker. Why is that we pay top dollar for absolute garbage time and time again with absolutely no plan in mind?

If we sell Gordon (we better fucking hadn't), then what do we replace him with? More garbage? More square pegs in round holes?

All we do is collect footballers. The club is an absolute fucking embarrassment and that stems from the absolute dickhead Chairman and his CEO stooge, who shouldn't be anywhere near a football club.

Will Mabon
260 Posted 15/08/2022 at 15:53:01
But... but, Michael - social media... gotta be true.

Quite honestly, who knows!

Ed Prytherch
261 Posted 15/08/2022 at 15:53:23
Gordon's preference to stay at Everton may change if Chelsea offer to triple his wages. The cost of keeping him is on the rise.

I also think that Iwobi will be at least as effective as Anthony when we strengthen the midfield and allow him to play in his natural position.

I agree with Sam that we will be depending on our wingbacks to provide the crosses with McNeil, Gray, Gordon, and Iwobi playing inside forward. If this is the case, then we already have cover if Anthony leaves.

Christy Ring
262 Posted 15/08/2022 at 15:55:15
Colin #86,

I never put Gordon in the same bracket as Rooney.

If you read my comment correctly, I was stating back to the old days, selling our best young players.

Will Mabon
263 Posted 15/08/2022 at 15:56:17
Nick, feelin' ya pain, Man.
Tony Abrahams
264 Posted 15/08/2022 at 15:56:38
I'd make a pact with the devil to never step foot inside Goodison again if it meant Everton could rid itself of the whole Kenwright and Moshiri era, Brian.

It's 27 years and counting, but the man who said we wouldn't get a better owner, and even said we have had some good times, is still here, proving to me at least that he's never been a genuine Evertonian.

Kenwright is now back to what he does best, because the man who kept on giving didn't have the nouse to go and bring in proper professionally qualified personnel to help keep a check on FFP.

Jamie Crowley
265 Posted 15/08/2022 at 15:57:57

I'd add that right now Iwobi is almost undroppable in the midfield. He's played fantastically and has an eye for a pass – a really good eye in my opinion.

If you sell Gordon and can sign a striker, we are a better club at present in my opinion. And that's why I think this move will come to fruition.

Look, I love Anthony Gordon. But when you can sell at a big profit, all while improving the squad, is there anything to really think about?

Potential is so important! But when the offer comes in for potential that is arguably over-valued, you take the money. It's that simple in my mind.

Okay, now I really am going to work.

Mike Gaynes
266 Posted 15/08/2022 at 15:59:41
Will #253, in my view, there's nothing inherently wrong with the business model of selling young talent to bring in young talent... if you do it right.

It's how Dortmund have competed head-to-head with Bayern while paying out half the salary budget of Bayern. It's how Leipzig have become so prominent so quickly.

It's also the philosophy Thelwell was steeped in during his time at Wolves and then in the Red Bull system. And I assume it's why he was hired at Everton, to implement that system.

The key is in executing the transactional system properly. You've got to have the scouting to pick the right players and the coaching quality to improve their value.

And if properly executed, it can make a club not only financially successful but competitively viable on the pitch. 20 years ago Dortmund was on the edge of bankruptcy (need a loan from Bayern to pay their players) and now is a powerhouse.

Like anything else, success is less about what you do than how well you do it. Maybe, just maybe, we'll look back on this time as the point where we started to do it right, and the scars began to heal.

Tony Abrahams
267 Posted 15/08/2022 at 16:01:36
Jamie a kid from Scotty wouldn't have went down when Mings pushed him in the face on Saturday, without taking the Villa defender down with him!
Mike Gaynes
268 Posted 15/08/2022 at 16:01:56
Jamie #254 and Ed #261, agree.
Jamie Crowley
269 Posted 15/08/2022 at 16:04:51
Hahaha Tony.

Give me 11 Scottie Boys then!

David West
270 Posted 15/08/2022 at 16:05:44
Jamie 248 gets it.

Let's take the emotions out of it.

Gordon's no Rooney. Rooney was world-class at the age of 17. Gordon's not even England squad material at the age of 22 this year.

I love him to bits for his effort and desire, the nasty scouse streak he's got, but all players have their price at every club, whether you are Everton, Barcelona or Chelsea.

It has to be a £40+ million because you are not getting any quality players in for less than £25M nowadays. We could hopefully buy 2 Onana level players who in a couple of years are worth £100M – that's the nature now of the game. That's why your Wolves, Brighton and Leicester have sustained growth.

It's why we are in this mess now as all the previous managers and DoFs never bought players with any sell-on value. Now we are stuck with dead wood on massive wages that no club will touch.

The Onana deal shows that they know the type of player needed for long-term sustained growth of the squad.

Everyone's screaming for changes to the squad, well these are the choices needed to make change happen.

I don't think Chelsea will even pay the £40M quoted it's probably closer to £20M with add-ons up to near £40M if he fullfils his potential. In which case, we keep him unless it's £40m up front.

Will Mabon
271 Posted 15/08/2022 at 16:05:56
Mike @ 266,

I agree with what you say. In the absence of another even bigger owner or investor (where does it all end?), that is probably about how we will have to proceed, being non-Big Six as we are.

Just pretty disappointing to think that the turning of the corner, if it is to be so, is potentially heralded by some more of the same old shit show.

Stu Darlington
272 Posted 15/08/2022 at 16:17:06

Great post.

I'm in the other camp, but totally respect your reasoning.

Jay Harris
273 Posted 15/08/2022 at 16:24:57
Just hearing that Batshuayi may be offered as part of the deal.

If we get him instead of a proper forward, then Thelwell and Frank need to go.

I'm ambivalent about Broja… but Batshuayi — no way!

Brian Wilkinson
274 Posted 15/08/2022 at 16:27:01
I did call it a few weeks back that I expect Gordon to be sold, before the window closes, if a decent bid comes in.

If it is going to be around the £45-£50 Million mark, I would not call that a decent bid, I would call it one hell of an excellent price for Everton! We have players that can slot into his position, what we do not have is someone who can put the ball in the net regularly.

We simply have to get a striker or two in, if that means selling Gordon to shore up our weaknesses in midfield and attack, I am all for selling without even a second thought.

I would prefer if we got a couple of players coming in as part of the deal. That way, I think we will get better value, rather than selling, then overpaying when we go to spend the money.

If we get just straight cash, already Gibbs-White's value will shoot up by at least a further £8 Million, or any other player we are after from other clubs.

If Chelsea are in a bidding war with other clubs, then play the hard bargaining card and insist on Broja and Gallagher, even if one is a loan with option to buy, but make sure we have someone in place.

Now for the Gordon sale, I personally think he is replaceable and certainly not a £40 Million footballer at the moment.

Dwight McNeil has been written off by some after just a couple of games. I think he will be a more than useful player out wide. If we can get a target man in, we will be alright with McNeil, give the lad time.

Stanley Mills will be a better option in time, but we need to ease him in, but I think McNeil and Mills could do a very good rotating job between them.

Gordon will not be such a great loss, if we can strengthen the areas in attack and midfield.

Young talent or not, this could start our season and beyond, if we invest wisely with the Gordon transfer money.

For me, we have to let Gordon go. He will not be as big a loss as some might think and, for the amount we might get in the end, I think for once we are ripping someone else's kecks down.

Gavin Johnson
275 Posted 15/08/2022 at 16:28:24
I've just seen a report saying Chelsea could offer £50M and Batshuayi. If true, I'd take the money and run.

James Garner is also available to buy for £15-20M. A tall, rangey Birkenhead lad who is a natural No 6 and has been one of the stars on loan at Forest. It's a mystery why Man Utd are playing Fred and McTominay over him and are now prepared to let him go.

We could buy Garner and Martin Terrier, a wide attacker who scored 21 least season. He alone would be an upgrade on Gordon at this moment in time.

Jamie Crowley
276 Posted 15/08/2022 at 16:28:32
I'm smelling the Americans trying to convince the English of the Moneyball approach again.

This is the way forward, and even the fact this situation is on the table encourages me for the future of Everton Football Club.

The most important signing this season has been Kevin Thelwell. He will, inevitably, make some signings that don't pan out. But this summer has shown me his mind is set on the way forward, and he's doing a damn good job thus far in my opinion.

Sell high, buy low, plug the holes, improve the squad, buy investments not middle-aged players with no sell-on value, or buy talented cheap veterans in key positions who don't saddle the wage bill all the while improving the squad.

We're turning a corner with our approach. Embrace it.

Jay Harris
277 Posted 15/08/2022 at 16:29:08
The only way this makes sense is if we can get the likes of Pulisic and/or Gallagher as part of the deal, which IMO would compensate for the loss of Anthony, who contributes a lot more than people give him credit for.

If this deal goes ahead, just watch him fly for Chelsea, playing with proper footballers.

And for those saying we shouldn't turn £50M down, may I remind you that Ross Barkley was originally supposed to go for £35M all those years ago.

Martin Mason
278 Posted 15/08/2022 at 16:31:57
Gordon is overrated and not actually very good. I read it on the Live Forum.
Nick Page
279 Posted 15/08/2022 at 16:32:02
Batshuayi has had more loans than hot dinners which tells you everything and Chelsea are desperate to get rid.

Given therefore, that he's absolutely fucking garbage, expect Everton – who've had a hard-on for him for years – to bring him in if Gordon is sold.

Teams know we're a soft touch and treat us like the naive (at best) idiots we are. "Oh Everton will buy him – stick another £10M on his price to make him look better and tell them they're getting a bargain."

Stu Darlington
280 Posted 15/08/2022 at 16:35:31
Good shout, Brian.

If we get a good price for Gordon and then try to buy players on the open market, their price will shoot up knowing we have cash and are desperate.

Best try to play hardball with Chelsea to get player(s) we think best fit our needs, before we look elsewhere.

Gavin Johnson
281 Posted 15/08/2022 at 16:37:46
I'm not advocating Batshuayi as the answer but, if we can get £50M and him as a sweetener, we have an immediate upgrade on Rondon, and we can also go out and buy a couple of quality players.

As I said in my previous post. I'd be going for Martin Terrier, who unlike Gordon, Gray and McNeil can score goals as a wide attacker, and James Garner from Utd.

As much as I'd like a straight swap for Broja and Gallagher, I'm not sure if we could get them both in the deal.

Jamie Crowley
282 Posted 15/08/2022 at 16:39:17
Jay at 277 -

If somehow pigs fly, the four horsemen come a-ridin', and we get Pulisic in this deal for Gordon??? Dude, you will hear me scream with unbridled joy from Florida.

There's no universe that will happen in. But! If somehow we get Pulisic in this deal, we might as well ask Chelsea to throw in Stamford Bridge in the deal, because they're gullible idiots if they consider Pulisic for Gordon in any deal!!!

How many times can you use the word "deal" in a post???

Frank Sheppard
283 Posted 15/08/2022 at 16:41:21
From a footballing point of view, surely it's better for him to play week-in & week-out, injury permitting, rather than sitting on the Chelsea bench.
Bill Gall
284 Posted 15/08/2022 at 16:41:39
If we sell Gordon and use the money to buy other players, what will happen when Calvert-Lewin gets fit? With the World Cup coming up, will he be happy sitting on the bench hoping to get a game?

This is different from when we sold Rooney, he wanted to leave and we all knew about it. He was the start of the time when the leeches known as agents started interfering with transfers legally and illegally.

Yes, he would have been a great help if he stayed and if the club had the finances to buy more players, but they didn't have the finances.

This is different as we will be selling a promising young player to buy a player just to replace an injured one, at a time when we are rebuilding. We have always complained about being a selling team and having to look for basement bargains. It is about time we became a progressive club and learnt from our past mistakes.

Rondon is our backup forward and, whether you like him or not, should be used until Calvert-Lewin gets fit as there is no guarantee that who we buy will turn out better.

We have been looking for another striker before the season started so the finances must be there, so selling a young promising player (and who knows how he is going to turn out?) to me is a backward step.

Brent Stephens
285 Posted 15/08/2022 at 16:46:11
Martin #278,

"Gordon is overrated and not actually very good. I read it on the Live Forum."

So anything on the Live Forum is dodgy opinion? Careful with your answer!

John Keating
286 Posted 15/08/2022 at 16:51:39
How much would we get for Dixie these days??????

Alex Young and Roy Vernon would be out of limits never mind half the '80s teams.

Money quoted for players who have not really achieved anything is sickening. Never mind their wages.

Doubt any of our present mob will have any problem paying their leccy and gas bills?

Brian Wilkinson
287 Posted 15/08/2022 at 16:52:14
Gavin, you say unlike McNeil can score goals as a wide attacker, are you judging McNeil on just two league appearances for Everton? I think a lot have already decided on McNeil.

I am one of the others on the side of McNeil's viewpoint, if Gordon leaves and McNeil is allowed the attacking width out wide, I personally think we have got a player there, a player who can deliver a ball from corners and set-pieces and find a teammate with a pass.

Mark my word, McNeil will change a lot of fans' views, once he has been given his favoured position. Don't write him off just yet.

Andrew Keatley
288 Posted 15/08/2022 at 16:57:23
Bill (284),

Rooney wanted to go? I think it's fairly well-documented that Kenwright decided to cash in, and Rooney's agent made the deal. Rooney was forced out to save the club, and was made to write a transfer request on a napkin in the canteen.

Jamie (276),

We just paid £30 million for a 20-year-old, and you think that we're suddenly entering Moneyball territory? People see what they want to see, I guess.

Frank Crewe
289 Posted 15/08/2022 at 16:59:58
We are desperate for a striker. If we have to sell Gordon to get the money to buy one, that doesn't bother me.

If the club were trying to buy him for £50 million with his current stats, we would be appalled. But he's a local boy. He'll be a superstar at some unspecified time in the future.

Just like Davies was going to be, and Lookman, Vlasic, Moise Keane and all the other useless youngsters we bought. Let him go and use the money to strengthen the squad.

Gavin Johnson
290 Posted 15/08/2022 at 17:00:47
Brian #287,

I've not made my mind up on him and I do think he'll up his end product with us this season (it shouldn't be difficult going off last season) but I do think I'm being optimistic by saying I think he could score half a dozen.

I've not read through all the thread, but what would you do about Gordon, Brian?

Christy Ring
291 Posted 15/08/2022 at 17:01:06
David #270,

I've no doubt Chelsea will pay silly money. When they paid £64M for Brighton's left-back, anything is possible!

Derek Knox
292 Posted 15/08/2022 at 17:04:59
Brian W @ 287, spot on there, brother.

I don't know if it's just a TW trait or what, but people are so quick to condemn a newbie, before he has settled in. I remember it with Mykolenko and Patterson, both being labelled a waste of money that could have been better spent in other areas.

That on top of being useless wing backs, both going forward, and a potential nightmare in defence. Roll forward a bit and they are both virtually impossible to drop, and earning, while learning, and improving each week.

I am also an advocate of criticising a player, if he has been with us a while and not worth a blow on a ragman's trumpet, whilst picking up immoral ill-gotten gains. They are professionals, so therefore paid to do a specific job, whilst providing a modicum of entertainment too, if they are not delivering on either, they deserve a verbal custard pie!

Jim Wilson
293 Posted 15/08/2022 at 17:07:10
Madness to sell Gordon.

He is not particularly injury prone, he is a fighter when the going gets tough and is a player Liverpool are scared of – and some people want to wave goodbye and gamble on us bringing in a good replacement?

Get Gueye in and a forward and that is it.

Brian Wilkinson
294 Posted 15/08/2022 at 17:13:00
Gavin@290 me personally I would sell and strengthen areas we need it more.

I do like Gordon he runs forever, can not question his work rate, but at the same time I think he has the same footballing brain as Barkley, both have great abilities, but do not have the footballing brain, to many times they run down blind allays, his set pieces are dreadful.

In two to three years times Gordon might turn out to fulfil his all round game, we do not have that time to wait 2 to three years, we need to act now, and for me it is too good a price to turn down, if selling Gordon helps to fill the gap in midfield and attack, then we have to do it mate.

The one thing that has suprised me and I know it was only a friendly was when we brought McNeil on, he played further forward, got into a good position for his first goal, and even better position to score a header for his second goal, so a bit miffed he was not played as the striker, instead of Gordon.

Steve Shave
295 Posted 15/08/2022 at 17:16:12
I really dislike some of the responses on here. Some people are seemingly unable to even articulate that they might be interested in the club getting £50M without slating Gordon in the process.

There is surely a more balanced view, why can't it be "I like Gordon but it's too good an offer to refuse" instead there is a lot of "get rid he's garbage blah blah", so unnecessary.

He's a young lad who has lots of talent, he may or may not fulfil his enormous potential. I hope for him he does, he seems like a decent lad and he would run through walls for us. It is possible to still respect that regardless of whether we sell or not.

Really it comes down to the gamble, do we keep and maybe one day he is an £80M player and we get several good seasons out of him. Or does he go on to flatter to deceive and not really kick on further, in which case £50M now is a fantastic deal. Nobody really knows.

If we take the money I hope we would spend wisely, I am not interested in Batshuayi, a journeyman. Broja has huge potential, fast, powerful and direct. He will become better than Calvert-Lewin in my opinion but young enough to step down to a bench role as Calvert-Lewin returns but provide really good competition.

I see we are linked to Dembele of Lyon, that would be an excellent shout. Above calls for money to be spent on Garner are also on point in my view, he will become an excellent No 6.

As mentioned further up the post, I'd like us to get Gibbs-White as Gordon's replacement if he goes and he has more end product and available for half the price.

Brett Jonathan
296 Posted 15/08/2022 at 17:19:00
Gordon flatters to deceive. Low on goals and assists. Runs like crazy and dribbles with no result. Rarely beats the first man. Sell sell sell.

The only link to keeping him is the age old 'one day he might be good' argument. We don't have the depth to wait and see like other clubs.

Larry O'Hara
297 Posted 15/08/2022 at 17:20:58
If the majority of posters here get their way and replace Gordon with disinterested mercenaries will they admit they are wrong? No chance, the amount of defeatist negativity wanting to offload our only exciting player (Onana aside) is thoroughly depressing.

And the only thing he shares in common with Barkley is a good thing: he runs at people creating space for others. And I for one think Frank coaching him will immensely improve his goal tally. But for a great save he’d have scored on Saturday.

Most of you lot would have binned a young George Best and Pele as headless chickens. Thank god you are nowhere near transfer policy

Mike Gaynes
298 Posted 15/08/2022 at 17:22:31
Christy #291, true, Chelsea doesn't seem to have much budgetary sanity at the moment, but I wouldn't write off Cucurella as an example of that just yet. He is tremendously talented.

When Barca sold Digne to us, it was because they had decided to keep Cucurella over Digne. He just didn't want to wait around to break through at Barca, but I think in a year he will be the most popular player Conte has.

Mal van Schaick
299 Posted 15/08/2022 at 17:23:41
It was madness to sell the only goalscorer (and Brazil National team forward) we had last season… but we did.
Brent Stephens
300 Posted 15/08/2022 at 17:26:19
Mike #298 yes I think Cucurella is a very tidy player (hair apart). Quick feet, agile, puts in a good cross, and no mean defender.
Tony Everan
301 Posted 15/08/2022 at 17:27:08
Brent 285, The Live Forum, ToffeeWeb's toilet paper, it must be true!
Tony Abrahams
302 Posted 15/08/2022 at 17:31:24
Funny Larry, especially that last sentence mate!
Mike Gaynes
303 Posted 15/08/2022 at 17:32:13
Larry #297, so by definition any player not coming out of our academy is a "disinterested mercenary"?

You would have dismissed Richarlison or Gueye or Coleman or Jagielka as such because they came from elsewhere?

Tony Everan
304 Posted 15/08/2022 at 17:36:33
Good calls above on Dwight McNeil. He has been brought in because he can cross the ball in to Calvert-Lewin to nod it into the net. He had the third most crosses into the box in the Premier League, if I remember the stats right, so the thinking has to be that we can improve the outcomes of that.

The fact is, he has no one to cross it to at the moment, and he needs some time until we have that. I too think he will be getting judged differently in a couple of months time.

Dale Self
305 Posted 15/08/2022 at 17:36:58
Nice of Steve and Larry to come in with some sensible stuff. It is getting to levels where you have to consider the offer and that is good information and opportunity for Thelwell to get a well-rounded first window.

He's done enough to impress and should we score a striker this window (make that when) this will give him a good sense of what moves he has in his bag of tricks.

Sean Roe
306 Posted 15/08/2022 at 17:37:17
I can't see this happening.

Chelsea's interest is extremely recent. Presumably, if we were reliant on somebody coming in for Gordon before we could afford to strengthen further, then one of our recent signings would've been a striker.

Unless somebody had a crystal ball with which to look into the future and saw the Chelsea offer through the mist, we have enough in the bank for a striker or two without selling Gordon.

Brian Wilkinson
307 Posted 15/08/2022 at 17:37:37
Larry, I will be the first to come on here and say I got it wrong with Gordon. He will probs prove us wrong in years to come I have no doubt, but our greater needs are now, we simply cannot wait a few years, we have to strengthen the team now.

If we have to sell to bring a striker and midfielder in, then out of all our players, Gordon is the most sellable one we could get away with. I would sooner be getting money for Gordon than say Calvert-Lewin had he been fit, or Pickford.

For me we have to take stock of the position we are in, we have to sell.

Can we survive without Gordon, I would say so, can we survive without a striker, most definitely not, so we need to get this right. I think it is the right time to sell Gordon, only because we simply have to.

John Keating
308 Posted 15/08/2022 at 17:46:21
We sold Young, Ball, Rooney when we shouldn't have and they were all top-drawer players.

Would selling Gordon be that difficult with the challenges and realities we are staring at be any different?

Will Mabon
309 Posted 15/08/2022 at 17:46:51
Where did this inevitable necessity of selling Gordon to buy a striker and maybe midfielder come from?

One midfielder purchased, one deal teetering (that was already in train). Talk of various potential strikers over the last couple of weeks. All without a murmour from the club about sell-to-buy.

So many have dropped into auto-justify mode on behalf of the club.

Pete Neilson
310 Posted 15/08/2022 at 17:54:01
There's no guarantee that any transfer fee for Gordon would be spent on new players.

Up-to now the window has been predominantly loans, free transfers and buy now pay later in installments. Nothing to suggest that £40-£50M would immediately be spent on reinforcing the side.

It might be used to reinforce the books and/or the new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock. We were looking for a striker last week, before the Gordon rumours, and the linked names were in the £15M region; that may well be where we are still looking.

Chelsea quoted £40M for Gallagher when Palace enquired. Can't see him being part of this deal.

Jay Harris
311 Posted 15/08/2022 at 17:54:21
The sad thing is we shouldn't be having this debate. It's only because the fuckwits running the club have got us in this state.

With Moshiri's billions' could we have ever foreseen selling Richarlison and Anthony Gordon?

You just don't sell your best players when you're building a successful team.

Brian Wilkinson
312 Posted 15/08/2022 at 17:54:25
Had we accepted the £25 Million first offered, I would agree with not selling, now it is getting closer to the £50 Million mark, I just do not see Gordon as a £50 Million pound player.

We got stung with Richarlison, but I do think we will more than make that up, if we get anywhere near £50 Million for Gordon.

Jamie Crowley
313 Posted 15/08/2022 at 18:01:31
Andrew @ 288 -

I believe (??) the Onana money is in installments, not lump sum. So it doesn't really saddle us with short-term issues at all.

Also, we bought one of the brightest prospects in Europe. His sell-on value could easily double. Easily. So it's Moneyball, Andrew.

Look, all of this is a bit of a gamble. But purchasing a 20-year-old, incredibly talented, in installment payments for $30 million when he could sell for double that in 2-3 years is a solid investment, and absolutely fits the Moneyball approach. You're still buying low and have the potential of selling exceedingly high.

If I have AA (Ace-Ace) and it gets busted by 8-7 offsuit, I was still roughly 80%-20% to win. You get your money in the middle despite the chance it might go tits up. I see Onana squarely in that analogy. He's a slam dunk purchase with massive upside. I love the look of him. Love it.

And it's still Moneyball. It's high-end for sure, but definably Moneyball.

Your opinions may vary. We'll just disagree. That's happened before, and certainly won't be the last time.

Andrew Keatley
314 Posted 15/08/2022 at 18:04:21
Larry (297):

“And the only thing he shares in common with Barkley is a good thing: he runs at people, creating space for others.”

But this is part of the problem with Gordon – he hasn't yet got the knack of releasing the ball quickly and accurately once he has created any space for others. He needs to improve his usage of the ball, and not just put his head down and run towards goal, otherwise any space he creates is spurned.

Maybe this is a symptom of playing in a side lacking offensive options and forward runners from midfield, but Gordon (and Gray) consistently try to do too much themselves and end up losing possession to the second or third covering defender.

I like Anthony Gordon. I wanted him to get more opportunities as a young player, and expected him to become a first-team regular by now, but anything over £40 million is good value for him right now when he is still largely being priced on potential rather than output.

Steve Shave
315 Posted 15/08/2022 at 18:04:23
Jay 311 but Denise herself has said that we will have to change our business model. Dortmund and Leipzig do it perfectly so, with the right personnel, why can't we? Oh yes, we are Everton, apart from that why not?

Sometimes selling makes good sense, Digne was good business and we replaced with someone performing to a similar level with high potential. I wish we would do it more often. If the sale of a player facilitates the building of a better team then that is okay in my view. Sometimes.

This is where I am veering towards Brian's (and others' point) that in order to be where we need to be now, we need a quality striker, maybe a back up loan striker too (Guirassy?) and a No 6. The money from Gordon's sale would provide that.

John Keating
316 Posted 15/08/2022 at 18:07:40
Sell for £50M+. Plus Broja in for at least a season.
Young Mills is standing by to come in for Gordon.
Danny O’Neill
317 Posted 15/08/2022 at 18:14:17
There's always a few ways to look at this.

Players come and go. Always have. Favourites and those not so popular. But Everton will always be there. Like me.

We seem to have been sucked into focussing on certain players being crucial to Everton. They come and go.

We also need to get our heads around the squad concept. Depth of squad means at least 22 players challenging for positions. Not 14 with 11 who think their position is guaranteed.

Jerome Shields
318 Posted 15/08/2022 at 18:19:58
It is reported that Lampard has agreed to Gordon's transfer on a fee and part-exchange basis. So it is now that the fee is being negotiated.
Mike Gwyer
319 Posted 15/08/2022 at 18:21:22
Steve #315

Good post.

"Digne was good business and we replaced with someone performing to a similar level with high potential."

Not only did we fill the left-back role with Mykolenko, we also purchased Patterson for right-back.

So spot on, selling Digne and then reinvesting the dosh was indeed very good business.

David West
320 Posted 15/08/2022 at 18:31:03
Christy @291, <

Do you actually believe Gordon is at the £40 - 50M mark though? I don't, it's about the potential.

Cucurella is an example of what we need to do if Chelsea are serious about Gordon. They played Man City & Chelsea off against each other to get top money for him.

Newcastle, Spurs now Chelsea are supposed to be interested – shouldn't we see how high the three of them are willing to bid? Doesn't that make business sense?

As I said, Bill gets slated for sentimentality but loads on here need to put their sentiment about Gordon to one side and see him as an asset that has a value.

I love Gordon but I'm not in the camp that he shouldn't be sold no matter what the price. I don't think the club envisaged a bid in the £40-50M range, I know I didn't, and a lot of people who have watched all the matches he's played didn't.

But people slating the club for exploring what they could get is just stupid.

Nick White
321 Posted 15/08/2022 at 18:31:24
Be sad to see Gordon go (if he goes). I'd rather keep him and add to the squad with quality.

However, if we are skint again and the only way to get the positions filled is by selling him, then £50M seems a very good bit of business for a player that came back from Preston for the start of last season having had an unsuccessful loan.

Hopefully as a club, we can get back to competing at the top end for trophies very soon but we aren't there at the moment.

I do wonder if a deal could be reached like olden times where the buying club loan the player back to us for a season? Highly unlikely,y I know!

Will Mabon
322 Posted 15/08/2022 at 18:33:09
Mike G,

Credit where credit's due, but let's not go overboard on the praise for astute business re. Digne. It was a sale forced by a well publicized falling out with Benitez, which necessitated a replacement in Mykolenko, and not a clever planned strategy.

Jason Li
323 Posted 15/08/2022 at 18:34:00
He is a good player, and 2 of the top 4 clubs want him in their squad.

However, our problem has always been we don't sell when very good offers come in like the past for Baines and Coleman. We did well with Rom and Stones though.

Maybe because recruitment hasn't always had good replacements lined up, it's hard to feel like everything is prepared for the eventual sale of one of the better players.

At the end of the day, if Frank brings in two very good players who can improve the goal difference by 20-30 goals for the next few years, Everton will be challenging for European football again.

I think the transfers in so far will make the goal difference better by 10 goals a season already, and think if it is true and Gordon does go for a decent amount, it might be possible with to have more transfers in and to get to at least a 20 goal difference improvement this season already.

Neil Copeland
324 Posted 15/08/2022 at 18:34:53
Danny #317,

Back to an earlier post you made about travelling to the Forest game on Saturday. If you can find a train that gets you to Crewe I can pick you up from the station and drive to the game. I can also drop you off at Crewe after the game it if helps.

Or Chester for that matter as I normally go via the M53 and Chester station is a 15-minute detour. I live near Nantwich and Crewe station is only 20-25 mins.

Will Mabon
325 Posted 15/08/2022 at 18:41:59
Neil - car to the rescue!

Btw, I know the area very well from a past part of life. 20-25 minutes? Either you drive too slowly or you live well out west!

Andy Walker
326 Posted 15/08/2022 at 18:46:49
If any club is daft enough to pay that sort of money for Gordon, bite their hand off. Then buy a couple of decent goalscorers.
Allan Board
327 Posted 15/08/2022 at 18:46:50
Tell the Chavs to bugger off and offer them Gomes, Mina and Davies as compensation.

Gordon would do better in a good side, and start scoring a few – just make sure that good side is Everton's, Frank.

Colin Glassar
328 Posted 15/08/2022 at 18:47:54
£60m for Anthony plus Gallagher and we can talk. They want him, they can pay the going rate for young English talent.

Jamie C, this is football not sodding baseball. Have a word with Brad Pitt and Jonah Hill, they’ll tell you.

Bill Gall
329 Posted 15/08/2022 at 18:51:19
Andrew #288,

Rooney's comments at the time.

"Before Euro 2004, I knew I was getting touted to other teams because Everton needed the money. I was heartbroken because I wanted to play for Everton. I would have left at some point of course because I wanted to better myself and win trophies."

The reason he wrote on a napkin:

"I was pushed to go to Chelsea as they offered the most money, but I wanted to go to Utd. I was told the only way you can go to Utd is if you put in a transfer request, and that is what I wrote on a napkin."

No, he did not want to go but Everton needed the money, and he was the most salable asset, and not agreeing to go to Chelsea lost Everton money.

Brian Murray
330 Posted 15/08/2022 at 18:52:03
Probably all been said above and it's very sad, or very Everton, having to sell to ensure we can get a decent striker to make sure we are in this league when we move stadium.

Bad for the kids who idolise him and wear his shirt but the difference in ending up with a Broja (or worse) who struggles to get double figures and an upgrade like Terrier is crucial and will make all the difference to Onana and his surging runs.

Unless of course we are getting ahead of ourselves and Thelwell has it all in hand and we really don't need to sell to get the striker we need.

Neil Copeland
331 Posted 15/08/2022 at 18:52:48
Will, I was being conservative as I didn't want to worry Danny….I can be there in 10 mins if I boot it! I live in Calveley which is Tarporley side of Nantwich.
Kieran Kinsella
332 Posted 15/08/2022 at 18:54:35
Only at Everton:

Gordon earns £20k a week – transfer value £50M. Gomes on £120k a week – transfer value £0M.

Neil Copeland
333 Posted 15/08/2022 at 18:57:31
Kieran, I think you actually raise a valid point and part of the reason for the high fee.
Jamie Crowley
334 Posted 15/08/2022 at 19:00:49
Colin @ 328,

That's an argument I've heard often from folks over the pond.

Baseball, soccer, football, basketball, tiddly winks, it all relates and is applicable when running a professional sports franchise / club.

My oft heard response is a rhetorical question:

How do you explain Liverpool under the ownership of John Henry and the Red Sox? They're moneyball with a bigger pocketbook, and they are run ridiculously well, pains me to say. So just look about a mile over your park, and you'll see that it's not just baseball, but footy as well that the approach works with!

Jack Convery
335 Posted 15/08/2022 at 19:01:34
If EFC were so keen to keep Gordon why have they not given him a pay rise? Could it be that he was earmarked from the start of the window to go?
Tony Heron
336 Posted 15/08/2022 at 19:03:12
Just a thought about our lack of a centre-forward.

Years ago, it wasn't uncommon to have to use an "emergency centre-forward", usually a centre-back. It would more often happen during a game when searching for an equaliser or late winner.

Sometimes an injury crisis would lead to a team starting a game with a defender upfront. I can remember Big Charlie Hurley, an imposing centre-half pressed into service at centre-forward for Sunderland. Our own Jimmy Gabriel also had a stint up top at one time.

With the improvement in ball skills of defenders these days I don't know why we don't give it a try. Surely a better option than the totally ineffective "false 9".

Danny O’Neill
337 Posted 15/08/2022 at 19:03:45
Neil, thank you. I will drop you a message if I need and thank you for the kind offer. All roads lead to Goodison and there is always a way!

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Will Mabon
338 Posted 15/08/2022 at 19:06:24
Neil, it's a nice part of the world. Had several years ripping all around Cheshire back in the '90s, busy as hell, back when you really could fly about. Lived or stayed quite near for a short time - Burland.

Even used to drop in to grab breakfast occasionally at the long-gone Calveley Cafe.

That concludes today's reminisce!

Rob Halligan
339 Posted 15/08/2022 at 19:07:02
Jack #335.

I'm pretty certain the club are currently negotiating a new extended contract for Anthony Gordon, with a considerable pay increase.

Sky Sports News still reporting that no bid has been received from Chelsea, and no bid will be considered.

Nick Page
340 Posted 15/08/2022 at 19:07:26
Name me the last time we sold one of our best players and replaced them with a good young hungry up-and-coming player to fill the void.

That's worked.

I'll wait….

Jamie Crowley
341 Posted 15/08/2022 at 19:07:52
By the way, speaking of Brad Pitt, if you've not seen the movie Bullet Train, I highly, highly suggest it.

Tarantino vibes, a 2022 Pulp Fiction, gratuitous violence for those who don't like such a thing.

Fantastic movie.

Neil Copeland
342 Posted 15/08/2022 at 19:10:13
Danny, it's not a problem at all so don't worry about calling me if you need a lift. Good luck with sitting out your travel.

My number is 07740 786325 (you may get a message saying email not deliverable - don't know why it's happening but the message comes through anyway!)

Neil Copeland
343 Posted 15/08/2022 at 19:12:30
Will, yes I know Burland - on the Nantwich to Wrexham road, nice there too.

Jack Convery
344 Posted 15/08/2022 at 19:14:17
If EFC were so keen to keep Gordon, why have they not given him a pay rise? Could it be that he was earmarked from the start of the window to go?

I see that the "he wants to go" rumours have started (Daily Mirror online). EFC's cunning plan running smoothly.

Kieran Kinsella
345 Posted 15/08/2022 at 19:15:42

Probably true on the fee. I just realized too that Gomes will still be here (cause obviously we can't shift him until his contract expires) until the summer the new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock opens for business.

So it's easier to drain a dock and build a stadium than to shift him.

Brian Murray
346 Posted 15/08/2022 at 19:16:31
There's no way Gordon will want to be blamed and want to be the scapegoat if we get to the end of the window and we only get a striker slightly upgraded from Rondon or even none at all. Plus he cares for the club, so I'm sure he's having these conversations.

It really is that real and crucial for him to know do we need to sell him to get this a striker? Oh and not just to tread water until Calvert-Lewin can't stay fit and will be gone anyway sooner rather than later.

Neil Copeland
347 Posted 15/08/2022 at 19:17:25
Kieran, that would be very funny if it wasn’t so close to the truth!
Brian Harrison
348 Posted 15/08/2022 at 19:19:59
Mike @298,

Never mind will we sell Gordon – who told you that Chelsea would sell Cucerella to Spurs, as you say in 12 months he will be the most popular player Conte has.

Or is the real scoop you see Conte taking over from Tuchel?

Jerome Shields
349 Posted 15/08/2022 at 19:20:00
I would not want Batshuayi if it meant Gordon being sold. Looked at his stats Chelsea would get the best of that deal. As for that matter Brojac either. Both are loan move players at best.

Clearly Everton have no coherent plan regarding their forward positions. This creates the opportunity for clubs to come up with solutions for their benefit. A swap deal for a striker is a deal that Everton should be nowhere near.

Tommy Carter
350 Posted 15/08/2022 at 19:27:22
I am really not a fan of selling your best home grown prospect. I believe Gordon is already a very good player and that he will improve furthermore.

However, I am a fan of being pragmatic and looking at the facts.

Anthony Gordon will not score 15-20 goals this season for us. Our team requires an addition of players who will get us 15-20 more goals between them. If the Gordon money can be reinvested or deal can be made in a way that achieves this then it has to be the option we pursue.

I don't know who these players might be. But that is not my job.

Will Mabon
351 Posted 15/08/2022 at 19:28:36
"There's no way Gordon will want to be blamed and want to be the scapegoat if we get to the end of the window and we only get a striker slightly upgraded from Rondon or even none at all. Plus he cares for the club so i'm sure he's having these conversations. It really is that real and crucial for him to know do we need to sell him... "

Brian, this has awful guilt parallels with part of the Rooney sale justification – "Saving" the club. I hope we don't stoop to another thinly-veiled PR psy-op. Club has not so much as hinted along the lines of necessary sales – yet.

Neil Copeland
352 Posted 15/08/2022 at 19:38:42
Will, I’m not sure that Moshiri would ever allow the club to openly admit that, he comes across as too proud (or should that be stupid?). So, I wouldn’t write that one off as sad as it is.

There again, maybe I do him (Moshiri) a disservice as perhaps he doesn’t want to come across as desperate and lower Anthony’s value.

Will Mabon
353 Posted 15/08/2022 at 19:46:05
Neil - there's definitely drama ahead I feel. This Is Everton :-)
Brian Harrison
354 Posted 15/08/2022 at 19:47:54
David Maddocks of the Daily Mirror has just tweeted that Everton offered Gordon a new contract 3 weeks ago and it still remains unsigned.

He went on to say that his representative has told Everton he won't sign it and he wants the move to Chelsea. Now might be another journalist making things up but I think Maddocks used to work on the Echo so maybe it has a little more truth than a normal hack making up the story.

Everton's problem is, if he has refused to sign a new contract, then it makes it very difficult for us to get a better deal for him, the longer he runs down his contract.

Neil Copeland
355 Posted 15/08/2022 at 19:50:27
The Mirror via Facebook are claiming that the club offered a new contract 3 weeks but Anthony is refusing to sign it.

Sounds like mischief making to me through lazy journalism.

Rob Halligan
356 Posted 15/08/2022 at 19:54:13
Should there be any player part exchange involved in any deal, then it's down to us to say who we want, not who Chelsea simply want rid of.

Obviously, the likes of Mason Mount, Havertz, Pulisic, Jorginho etc would be a definite no-no, but the likes of Conor Gallagher, Loftus-Cheek, Broja or Hudson-Odoi should be made available to us.

Quite simply, its who we want from Chelsea they are prepared to involve in the deal, or the full amount paid up front, or deal off.

Rob Halligan
357 Posted 15/08/2022 at 19:58:50
Brian #354.

Anthony Gordon's current contract runs until June 2025. So we still hold all the strings even if he doesn't sign a new one.

Obviously it's a different kettle of fish if he wants to go, and I personally don't think he does, but if he does, then we need to screw the best possible deal that benefits us, not Chelsea.

Tommy Carter
359 Posted 15/08/2022 at 20:03:44

He's certainly well connected. It appears that this is almost certainly happening then.

Fair play to him, it's an awesome move from his perspective. Champions League football, challenging for the title. Huge wages. Increased prospects of going the World Cup (if he gets games).

He will play with much better players and live and work in arguably one of the greatest cities on planet earth.

Bank the money and move on. Out of Jeffers, Ball, Dunne, Rodwell, Stones, Barkley etc etc - we got good money for most of these and the only one who really hurt and left a ‘what if' sentiment was of course Wayne Rooney. But that was because he was already world class when he was with us – and he remained world class for the majority of his career.

Gordon may well become an awesome player. Personally, I think he will. I think, once he develops physically with the extra body strength and power that age will bring, his final product will improve. Playing with much better players will also help this.

I have been encouraged by the transfer dealings of this summer. I am still encouraged by the signing of McNeil despite two dreadful performances so far.

The hope, therefore, is that we can re-invest this fee in some players that will improve our side.

Brian Murray
360 Posted 15/08/2022 at 20:05:13
Will @351.

I'm obviously guessing but the truth is usually somewhere in the middle, as the saying goes.

Moshiri says judge him at end of the window. I think we judged him and his sidekick half a billion pounds ago. Decades longer in Kenwright's case.

We have to get this call right. I've seen enough blue smoke.

David West
362 Posted 15/08/2022 at 20:10:44
Plenty on here to muse over. Lots of hearsay and I've been told this and my dad's uncle's wife's brother's cousin has heard blah, blah, blah...

Is Gordon not for sale at any price? I say that is just stupid. Many on here would sell Calvert-Lewin tomorrow for £50M, even though he's our only decent striker, but won't entertain a bid that's imo well above the value to the squad that Gordon has.

Yes, he may improve. Yes, he may stay at this level but I don't see him getting to be a £70M, £80M, £90M player.

If the money we have blown in the last few years had been spent wisely, we would have more than 1 sellable asset.

You only have to look at how the German teams buy young, nurture the talent and sell for big profits – mostly to Premier League teams.

It's not just Everton, all clubs have these decisions to make. Look how Liverpool got £100M for Coutinho. They invested it into the squad for longer-term gain.

There is no shame in making a good business decision to benefit the club.

Stefan Busby
363 Posted 15/08/2022 at 20:12:24
Get Loftus-Cheek and Happy Gilmour in along with £30 million and then give Mickel Madar and Stracqualursi a call to see what they are up to these days.

Champions League spot nailed :)

Kieran Kinsella
364 Posted 15/08/2022 at 20:14:37
Echo say we are bringing in James Garner to help our Great Escape. Bit of a Maverick suggestion.

If he can't get a look in ahead of McFred, then it doesn't bode well.

Dave Lynch
365 Posted 15/08/2022 at 20:21:16
Announce he wants to leave... if he does.

Start a bidding war: Barcodes, Chelsea, Man Utd?

Ian Bennett
366 Posted 15/08/2022 at 20:22:22
It's clear to me that we sell him now whilst we are in the Premier League, rather than wait until we are in the Championship with our pitiful attack.

We need at least two strikers and a defensive midfielder in that squad and a big taxi to get rid of Gbamin, Mina, Gomes, Allan, Keane and any other wastrel that we've squandered good money on.

Michael Lynch
367 Posted 15/08/2022 at 20:22:37
It's 15 August. Does anyone seriously believe we are going to be able to bring in a decent replacement for Gordon and a centre-forward before the window closes?

We're going to be playing a forward line of any three from Dele, Rondon, McNeil, Gray and maybe some 28-year-old makeweight from France until Calvert-Lewin is fit some time in October.

Jesus, lads, we're going down this season with the business we're doing, so the £50M (over 10 years and if Gordon wins the Ballon d'Or probably) will be spent on trying to get out of the Championship.

Gordon should not be sold.

Peter Fearon
368 Posted 15/08/2022 at 20:23:22
What are we waiting for? Take the money!

Scouting Report: Lots of energy, drive and pace. Can't shoot, cross or head the ball. No end product. The White Bolasie.

Ashley Roberts
369 Posted 15/08/2022 at 20:25:01
Looks like Anthony Gordon now wants a taste of the high life. Who can blame him? I for one cannot.

Everton now just need to get the best deal for themselves. So, for me, it has to be £50M plus at least Gallagher on loan for the season. If they want to throw Batshuayi into the pot to make it sweeter, all well and good.

We must not go down the road of accepting either Batshuayi or Gilmour as part of the deal to reduce the price because neither of these players add anything to our current squad. If we cannot pick up Gallagher on loan, then maybe Broja.

I cannot see Chelsea letting either Broja or Gallagher to be sold as part of the deal but, if we could get one of them on loan plus £50M, I think that would be relatively good business for a young player that has now had his head turned.

Unfortunately as we all know with Jeffers, Rodwell and more recently Barkley, it does not always play out the way they want it too. For each one of them, leaving Everton was a disaster.

I hope it doesn't happen to Gordon but, if I were a betting man, I would say it has a high probability. Still at least he will have a fat bank balance and his agent will be happy!!

Raymond Fox
370 Posted 15/08/2022 at 20:26:55
Would any Chelsea player want to come here?

How much game time will Gordon get if he goes to Chelsea, a lot less than if he stayed here, that's a given.

He might just be manoeuvring for an improved contract and does not want to move. Same goes for Richarlison, how much game time will he get at Spurs?

There's a long list of players drawn to the bright lights who have come down in flames, sure they've pocketed more money for a time but it's hindered their careers.

Kieran Kinsella
371 Posted 15/08/2022 at 20:31:56
Raymond @370,

On the "bright lights", I recall Carl Tyler leaving us at the end of '98 and saying he was so happy to join a "big club" – Charlton Athletic FC.

At the time, his remarks really irked me but, looking back, either he was trying to be funny or was quite insane.

Kim Vivian
372 Posted 15/08/2022 at 20:33:24
If the contract rumours are true, then assuming new contract = more money, if he is reluctant to sign, then the writing's on the wall.

I just hope we have a good striker (or two) lined up. Guirassy appeals to me and Broja because of his young age, whose goal tally is much the same as Calvert-Lewin's at the same age, and I see him as a good all-round prospect with the right coaching.

Remember what many people were saying about Calvert-Lewin in 2018-19 when he was Broja's age now.

Kieran Kinsella
373 Posted 15/08/2022 at 20:38:49
Brian Harrison,

This sounds like a typical Kenwright scheme. Leaking to the press Gordon won't sign a new deal. What the leak didn't mention was how much they offered him in the new deal? 20 quid a week raise?

Just waiting for the email from Denise...

"We had no intention of selling our crown jewel and did everything we could to keep him outside of offering him a decent wage, asking him to stay, and failing to restrain ourselves from saying "You need to get the fuck out" as Kenyon's Trump consortium turned out to be Fortress Sports Fund Mk II.

"Therefore, I ask all Evertonians to get behind the club and to make sure you accept that Gordon is a greedy guttersnipe, like Rooney and Jeffers were, up until they came back -- at which point they were true blues again -- but only until they left again.

"Rest assured we will waste the sale proceeds on a giant poster of Frank Lampard outside the Park End, and on increased security for Bill's ringfenced stadium/Arteta money."

Kieran Kinsella
374 Posted 15/08/2022 at 20:39:28
ps: We invite fans to make their feelings known by hanging bed sheets outside the club.
Peter Warren
375 Posted 15/08/2022 at 20:45:23
Whilst uncertain, as he's still raw, I do tend to agree with Peter (#368).
Andrew Keatley
376 Posted 15/08/2022 at 20:51:55
Jamie (313),

You think we bought Onana for a low price based on what you think might happen in the future?

You could say that about any transfer. Where is the data? I don't actually think you know what Moneyball is, as I have said on numerous occasions.

From what I understand, Moneyball is based on finding underpriced players that have been specifically targeted on the basis that they provide value in the chosen role that you want them to fulfil. It is not based on signing promising young players who have potential – that is an entirely different thing.

For what it's worth, I am really excited by Onana, and think he could be exactly what we have lacked for years. But don't equate his signing to us deploying Moneyball. It's incorrect.

Paul Birmingham
377 Posted 15/08/2022 at 20:59:32
I hope Gordon stays, and the status of this squad injuries and all, is put in perspective.

Rumours going, this morning, that he was in London, but let's see.

But all that matters is Everton, get their act together and secure at least a couple of strikers by the end of this window, ideally at least one this week.

Jamie Crowley
378 Posted 15/08/2022 at 21:00:36
I don't actually think you know what Moneyball is, as I have said on numerous occasions.

Fuck it. You're right.

Bill Gall
379 Posted 15/08/2022 at 21:03:22
If he wants to force a transfer, he will have to put in a transfer request, and we would have heard about that from someone in the club.

And how many players sign the next contract they are offered without long negotiations? He said he did not want to leave when Newcastle wanted him and the club stated he was not for sale at any price.

Who would he replace at Chelsea? They did not look like they had any weakness against Tottenham except maybe a goalscorer and Gordon is not one yet.

Sam Hoare
380 Posted 15/08/2022 at 21:04:46
If Gordon gets sold for £50M, I believe it puts him in the top 5 U23 transfer fees of all time. That's a huge deal for someone yet to deliver consistent end product. Even if he did reach his full potential, he'd do well to be worth much more than that.

We all want players who fight for the badge but that doesn't mean they have to be home grown, it just requires good recruitment. Few players have fought as hard as Richarlison over the last few seasons. We just have to recruit players with the right mental attributes to accompany the talent.

The big question is, or will be, what moves do we have lined up? We're still waiting to replace Richarlison, so, unless we have some very solid options lined up, such a move will weaken us.

It's all about recruitment. £30M or so of the Gordon money should enable us to buy a very good 23- to 25-year-old with more end product than Gordon currently (perhaps someone like Terrier or Danjuma) or buy someone with similar potential to Gordon like Joao Pedro at Watford or Diaby at Leverkusen or Gouori at Nice.

Brian Wilkinson
381 Posted 15/08/2022 at 21:09:15
Well, if it is true that Gordon will not sign his new contract, that has now weakened our cause.

Wish he could have kept quiet while we were negotiating with Chelsea… unless, like others have said, it could be leaked from our side, to justify the sale.

Fact of the matter is, we can now safely assume, Gordon will be sold, I am fine with that.

Michael Lynch
382 Posted 15/08/2022 at 21:12:38
Sam, you say:

"We all want players who fight for the badge but that doesn't mean they have to be home grown, it just requires good recruitment"

Absolutely, and we had just two players who fitted into that category last season – Gordon and Richarlison. If we sell them both, we have nobody.

What gives you even the slightest hope that we can recruit more players like Gordon and Richarlison? They're the most sought-after type of player in the game – highly skilled but also give 100% every minute of every game.

If replacements were available, maybe Spurs and Chelsea would have bought them instead of taking our two best players.

Mark Ryan
383 Posted 15/08/2022 at 21:13:33
Suggesting Anthony Gordon wants away is surely utter bollocks. It's simply not him. He's become a star at Goodison and is a Blue through and through. He's doing good work in the Liverpool community and is loved in and around Goodison Park.

I don't buy the stories of him wanting away at all and I don't think we'd be better off without his energy. His goal ratio and all-round game will only get better once we have a few players in. He's going nowhere, IMHO.

Christy Ring
384 Posted 15/08/2022 at 21:16:09
I was a bit curious myself why no deal was signed after the Newcastle bid. It's been said here it's on the table, for the last 3 weeks, so that answers that.

If his head is turned, and he won't sign a bigger deal, £50M, but a couple of players Frank wants in exchange, would be better because other clubs will up there price if it's cash.

I'm still not convinced about Broja. Pulisic is class, not in Tuchel's plans, but I couldn't see him agreeing to come.

Joe McMahon
385 Posted 15/08/2022 at 21:17:05
It's looking like it's on for £45M, according to my source (ha ha Twitter).

But seriously I don't want Billy Gilmour (not becuase of his poor spell at Norwich, Steven Naismith failed there too), he's too lightweight (like Gordon). We need strong players with pace who can pass a ball and shoot.

I'd take the £45-50M, go out for Moussa Dembele, and let Thelwell land another striker before the transfer door slams. Brereton Díaz?

Tony Abrahams
386 Posted 15/08/2022 at 21:20:05
I just read a report on the Daily Mirror website that makes me think that there is more to this. Gordon has asked Lampard to consider this offer? And Bill Kenwright has already fought off offers from Newcastle, Spurs and Chelsea.

The rumours are that he's gone, and this is something that wouldn't surprise me now. So, if this is true, I just hope Everton spend the money wisely.

Eddie Dunn
387 Posted 15/08/2022 at 21:33:42

Spot-on, mate... leaked news refusing to sign is rubbish. The club need to up his contract.

Derek Knox
388 Posted 15/08/2022 at 21:35:15
Tony, why is that fat interfering narcissistic slob getting involved with transfers again?

He's screwed so many up in the past, and we have DoF and a manager, who seem to work well together. I'm sure they don't want that prick getting involved, or is he getting something out of it, as usual?

Si Cooper
389 Posted 15/08/2022 at 21:41:41
Depends why the lad isn't keen on signing a new contract. Is the offer derisory or is he already looking for ‘jam today'?

I don't mind him looking out for himself but there are limits. If we actually get a bit of a bidding war (weren't the Barcodes interested?) and have the right deals pretty much in place, then we might come out with some players more critical to our immediate needs.

Ideal situation is that the lad then realises he's a total homebody, can't settle ‘darn Sarth' and comes back on a cut-price deal in a few years time to ultimately star in an Everton team that has improved exponentially in the interim.

To comment on some earlier posts:

Stats can be ‘lies' if they aren't given their true context. For instance, the number of games played by Gordon has to be qualified by his age and experience and the general productivity of the team he has been playing for.

No, you can't actually sell a player against their wishes, although the simple reality is that plenty would (sensibly but sadly) go along with it if it was made clear that they were considered expendable and the offer on the table was a decent one.

Oliver Molloy
390 Posted 15/08/2022 at 21:41:48
We should only consider offers around £1 billion and they can have Moshiri, Kenwright and Barrett-Baxendale for free.
Tim Fowler
391 Posted 15/08/2022 at 21:55:27
Feels inevitable, this one. FFP, a new stadium to pay for, and a failure to secure fresh investment means he will be off.

The Moshiri project is unravelling fast. It started with allowing the highest paid manager in the league to leave without a whimper, Digne, Richarlison, Sigurdson (let's not go there) and now Gordon. If anyone would buy Gomes or Mina, they would be off too.

Arsenal were a richer and better run club than us and even they struggled for years with the drain of building a new stadium hanging over them. We are completely reliant on Frank being able to rebuild on the cheap and coach us up a notch.

Sam Hoare
392 Posted 15/08/2022 at 21:57:17
Michael @382; there's a lot of footballers out there and no doubt there are plenty who will work very hard. Just look at someone like Doucouré tonight who's been excellent against Liverpool and has worked his socks off, he only cost £15M.

I'm not saying it's easy but well-run football clubs outside the elite sell players for big sums and then replace them with similar talents all the time.

Brian Murray
393 Posted 15/08/2022 at 21:57:38

As soon as we hear them two words, it never ends well for us. If true, Thelwell needs to grow a pair or he will end up walking as well.

Philip Bunting
394 Posted 15/08/2022 at 21:59:23
Fact is, Gordon has hardly played 6 months of Premier League football, never mind consistently.

What people see in him, I don't. Lazy and lightweight with an attitude like he has made it. Wrong. You haven't – by a country mile.

Get rid for £50M. We will be far better for it.

Rob Jones
395 Posted 15/08/2022 at 22:06:32
@395 – that is just absolute sour grapes nonsense. Everybody who actually has contact with him praises his attitude and his humility.

The fact he's leaving doesn't have to lead to the usual bollocks where he's allegedly overhyped, has a rotten attitude, and thinks he's better than he is.

Danny O’Neill
396 Posted 15/08/2022 at 22:07:46
Not the finished article by any means, Philip. At 21, not without error or room for improvement.

But your description isn't the Anthony Gordon I watched last season.

Stuart Sharp
397 Posted 15/08/2022 at 22:07:53
Philip @395,

You make some reasonable points, but... lazy? Really?

For much of last season, his work rate put most of his teammates to shame. I'm in two minds about the possible transfer, but he ain't lazy.

Kieran Kinsella
398 Posted 15/08/2022 at 22:09:28
Philip 365,

"Lazy" — are we just using arbitrary insults now that have no basis in reality?

Yeah, let's get rid of the lanky dwarf, obese skinny prick.

Jerome Shields
399 Posted 15/08/2022 at 22:10:42
Tony #387,

Lampard had already agreed that Gordon could go. The negotiations after that where over the fees. I don't believe that Kenwright is not facilitating this transfer.

Also, if players come as part of the deal, it will be to suit the finances of the club, not what is required on the pitch.

Tony Abrahams
400 Posted 15/08/2022 at 22:11:37
It's just paper talk, but it's reminiscent of so many stories that have been written over the Kenwright years, Derek.

Kenwright has fought off? I just wish he would fork off. Every player has a price, and it's only when you receive a massive bid, and still say that the player is not for sale, should it be called 'fighting off', imo.

It was only the other day that rumours were printed on ToffeeWeb (admittedly by only one man) that Kenwright wasn't prepared to sanction any more deals until Lampard had signed a centre-forward, but maybe this will change if Anthony Gordon leaves?

Danny O’Neill
401 Posted 15/08/2022 at 22:14:21
I'll concur about the 'lazy' remarks.

I watched him last season and 'lazy' is not a word you can throw at him.

His ability as a footballer is open to opinion, but his commitment is undoubted in my opinion.

Always one of the first over to the travelling fans, even when it got really bad. I personally would not doubt his commitment or call him lazy.

Neil Copeland
402 Posted 15/08/2022 at 22:15:37
Flippin heck! I think Anthony Gordon lacks a bit of intelligence because he doesn't seem to make the right decisions – but he is definitely not lazy.

He is a talented lad with a lot of potential but, as much as I want him to succeed at Everton, I am not convinced he will or that we can actually wait that long.

£45-50 million is an awful lot of money for a homegrown player and realistically, selling him represents a big success for the club. Assuming of course that we then invest the money wisely.

Colin Glassar
403 Posted 15/08/2022 at 22:15:44
Thanks to that “lazy” player, Pickford and Richarlison we are still in the Premier League. Stupid bloody adjective.

If you want to become a feeder club, à la Porto, Benfica, Ajax etc.. and live off your distant memories of glory, then go ahead and sell our young players to the highest bidder.

Our bank manager will be happy. I won't.

Tony Abrahams
404 Posted 15/08/2022 at 22:21:28
Sometimes, I see players run another 40 yards rather than throw in a good brave tackle, Danny, and this is something I often witness both Gordon and Iwobi do.

I'd sooner they were both braver on the ball, rather than putting their bodies on the line in this way but, until a player is prepared to do both, I think there will always be an argument about whether they are fully committed or not?

Danny O’Neill
405 Posted 15/08/2022 at 22:27:53
That's a great call out, Tony.

Brave on the ball as much as you are off it. Bravery isn't just about throwing yourself into the tackle. It's also about being comfortable with the football.

Okay, I'm going to bore everyone again with my '80s retro. Sheedy was never renowned for his tackling but he was brave and confident with the football.

As a middle ground, I'll give you Peter Reid. Tenacious and combative but comfortable on the ball.

I'm hoping this Onana lad is going to be a taller and more continental version of the Huyton terror!!

Brian Murray
406 Posted 15/08/2022 at 22:30:09
I don't care about soon-to-be millionaire footballers and their predicaments, good and bad. I said the same about Sigurdsson and so on.

I'm more interested in what we do in the next 2 weeks, Gordon or no Gordon. They can go and eat cake, as some old queen once said.

No reference to the chairman, before anyone jumps on that! 😂

Alec Gaston
407 Posted 15/08/2022 at 22:30:59
Maybe the plan was to sell Calvert-Lewin and, now he's injured, we can't... so they turn to the next highest asset?
Colin Glassar
409 Posted 15/08/2022 at 22:35:08
Jamie, I think you should watch the movie again and listen to Richard Brand (Jonah) tell Billy Beans (Brad) what Moneyball is all about.

It's not about money (making a profit) – it's about value for money. Getting the right players in the right positions to improve the team at the lowest cost possible. Brian Clough did it at Nottingham Forrest with a bunch of cheap misfits who had been discarded by other clubs eg McKay, Lloyd, Robertson, Gemmil etc…

Great movie, btw!

Jamie Crowley
410 Posted 15/08/2022 at 22:35:43
Colin G,

If you can sell young players and actually improve as a squad over the long term, that might be of interest as well.

I'm not picking a fight.

Trevor Peers
411 Posted 15/08/2022 at 22:38:28
I still don't see any evidence of Everton actually signing a goalscorer – all I read is we're in for midfielders.

What kind of madness has gripped the club that they can arrogantly expect the team to score goals without having a striker of any worth, who's actually fit, on the books? Shame on you! All of you who run the club.

You really couldn't make it up. Of course we will end up in the bottom three double-quick style and deservedly so. We are the worst-run club in the Premier League and have been for the last two decades.

The clock is ticking, but the race looks lost already. I doubt we have the gumption to sign the right players in the short time we have left, especially if Kenwright is head of transfers, he's an absolute disaster.

Brian Wilkinson
412 Posted 15/08/2022 at 22:39:12
Sheedy did not need to tackle, Danny, but at least he could bleeding clear a wall with his free kicks and set a teammate up, and chip in with goals. If Gordon offered just 1% of Sheedy's contribution to the team, I would be made up.

Apologies, Danny, but for all Sheedy's limitations for tackling, he offered more than enough elsewhere, whereas Gordon is the polar opposite, runs down blind alleys, doesn't look for a teammate, and very poor at set-pieces.

Haaland – £51 Million, Jesus – £45 Million, De Bruyne – £55 Million.

If we get anywhere close to £50 Million for Gordon, we've done well.

Means nothing but Gordon has since removed Everton from his bio on Instagram… read into it what you like.

Bill Gall
413 Posted 15/08/2022 at 22:52:55
I am not into politics but a lot of these comments remind me of Trump — lots of talking with no evidence to back it up.

We will all be singing I Heard It On The Grapevine soon.

Brian Murray
414 Posted 15/08/2022 at 22:53:02
Peter Reid was the nearest we have had to Alan Ball – just not the goal-scoring instincts of him.

Gordon may one day, with coaching and maturity, improve his decision-making. Not sure shooting or scoring is something that can happen though. Either you have it or not.

Mike Corcoran
415 Posted 15/08/2022 at 22:56:55
Ajorque, Jackson, Gyorekes, Brereton Diaz, all have talent but it's different playing in the Premier League where defences are tighter.

Their reels show plenty of what we need from a centre-forward but will they cut it? Probably this is why all the talk is of Broja who has the experience and may be ready to take his goal output up a notch.

I still think Gordon is ready to burst out too, he just needs more mobile and intelligent players around him. Unfortunately, that is not here at Everton in the near future.

Nicolas Piñon
416 Posted 15/08/2022 at 22:59:18
Gordon is our most aggressive and direct winger (apart from Townsend) so selling him would mean we would just have McNeil, Gray, Townsend (and maybe Iwobi?) for those positions. Unless a real new Number 9 and a good midfielder arrive in exchange, I don't see it as being too positive, to be honest.

But, if that would mean we get Broja and Gana Gueye, I would consider it... although it would hurt.

I believe in Onana we have bought a tremendous player and, if this move goes on, it probably would mean building a team around him which, for me, would make some sense as his position in the midfield is more influential than the one of a winger.

But it's strange we bring an excellent player and a few days later sell an excellent player. I mean, what's the plan?

Brian Wilkinson
417 Posted 15/08/2022 at 22:59:41
The '85 and '87 title winners and even the '63 and '70 titles winners had one thing in common: team work – each player had a certain job to do, they would find teammates with crisp passing.

You never saw the like of Morrissey, Steven, Reid, Sheedy and the likes, trying to go past three players with their heads down – they looked for a team mate. A few might not like this but Gordon and Gray play for themselves. It's fine trying to take a few players on but, if there is no end product, then we need to rectify it.

All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.

Colin Glassar
418 Posted 15/08/2022 at 23:00:09
Neither am I, Jamie. I'm just pissed off that we've become a feeder club with little to no ambition.

West Ham sold their entire golden generation eg Lampard, Ferdinand, Cole, and Carrick amongst others — and got relegated!

Mike Corcoran
420 Posted 15/08/2022 at 23:05:26
Also, the persistence with playing 3 at the back and 2 wingbacks sort of negates Gordon as a wide player as we need 3 central midfielders and 2 proper forwards to make it work.
Soren Moyer
421 Posted 15/08/2022 at 23:06:48
If Gordon is going, then we should not accept any of their cast-offs as part of the deal!

No to Batshuayi or Gilmour or Barkley! Hell I ain't even sure about Broja either after watching his cameo appearances this season! Just don't!

Bill Gall
422 Posted 15/08/2022 at 23:09:25
Brian #413,

They reckon that Haaland's fee was £85.5M total when agents' fees, signing bonuses and other costs are taken into account... so, transfer fees are not what they appear to be.

Fran Mitchell
423 Posted 15/08/2022 at 23:17:06
I see Wolves have agreed a fee for 'long-time linked with Everton' Nunes. £38M.

An attacking, creative midfielder. Definitely something we lack.

When you see him, plus Diaz at them, all available for less than what we may get for Gordon, it does show what can be done with good investment.

A striker, effective, goal-scoring wide-forward, and a creative midfielder could make all the difference to this team.

Gordon could well be that goal-scoring wide-forward, and I'd much prefer him to stay if possible. But his leaving need not be a disaster.

If we could get Brereton Diaz (or someone else, but I think this lad needs more attention), Martin Terrier or Hudson-Odoi, Conor Gallagher, and James Garner added to the squad (or something of this ilk), with Gordon, Gomes, Gbamin, and Allan leaving, all the while remaining with a net 'profit', it would be a very promising summer of squad building.

Tom Bowers
424 Posted 15/08/2022 at 23:22:45
Not sure who to believe these days.

The usual trash reporting by Sky and the rest of the media just muddies the waters.

Apparently Everton have received no offers for Gordon yet.

Brian Wilkinson
425 Posted 15/08/2022 at 23:24:23
James Garner, now there's a name...

We could do with a Maverick in midfield.

Brian Murray
426 Posted 15/08/2022 at 23:26:30
I think we have enough Gillmour already and no Batshuayi either.
Sean Kelly
427 Posted 15/08/2022 at 23:26:30
Gordon flatters to deceive. He's our current McGeady. Runs down dead-ends and no end-product.

What he has over McGeady is his energy and commitment. He is not lazy. He's more of a Reliant Robin than a Rolls-Royce.

Get £50 million and get a striker or two pronto. Keep Billy Bullshit away from the sale or recruitment.

Ciarán McGlone
429 Posted 15/08/2022 at 23:31:26
McGeady... class.

Always time for satire in the heat of battle.

Laurie Hartley
430 Posted 15/08/2022 at 23:32:42
He will be gone by the end of the week. Money talks.

Gavin #275 “ A tall, rangey Birkenhead lad” – he must be good, get him in.

Don Alexander
433 Posted 16/08/2022 at 00:57:14
£40M+ for Gordon? Snatch their hand off.

And then give the money to someone who can identify and sign a cheap (cos that's what we are as a consequence of Moshiri and Kenwright – for seasons to come, too) 15 goals-a-season striker who every other club on Earth has somehow failed to sign.

And if we fail, as ever, let's all only blame the manager and DoF, again, and again, and again.

It's what the owner and board rely on from us after all, season after decrepit season.

And we suck it up.

Jamie Crowley
435 Posted 16/08/2022 at 01:31:47
Colin G,

Neither am I, Jamie. I'm just pissed off that we've become a feeder club with little to no ambition.

I think this is something not only do I need to consider more often, but I'd also ask others to consider when I post.

I've not really seen an ambitious Everton. At least certainly not in the main. I came in under Moyes – Mr Best of the Rest "we should be glad" fella.

The closest I've seen to an ambitious Everton is under Martinez in his first season. We had our manager, we went out and miraculously signed Barry, McCarthy and Lukaku, and we were wonderful that season.

Then it all went to shit.

Carlo somehow getting us up and around the Champions League spots, only to have the players basically shit out, might get an honorable mention.

Colin, you, and many others, have seen glory days I can only dream of. It makes perfect sense to me you'd have the reaction you do.

Jamie Crowley
436 Posted 16/08/2022 at 01:37:21
Ah crap. Scrolled up and saw another post, Colin.


It's not about money (making a profit),it's about value for money. Getting the right players in the right positions to improve the team at the lowest cost possible.

Yes. Correct. But!

In the real world it absolutely involves running a profitable franchise. You do that by value for money and getting the right players in the right positions on the cheap.

But Colin, trust me, it's done with business intentions to be sure. It's a philosophy of profit, first and foremost. And I'd wager the house, wife, and kids John Henry would agree with me, I don't care what Hollywood decided to define "Moneyball" as in a movie.

Brian Wilkinson
437 Posted 16/08/2022 at 01:43:17
Jamie, I think it all went shit after the first season, because Moyes had the players as fit as a fiddle and Martinez benefited from that. After that ,he switched to tippy-tappy football, refusing to practise on set-pieces and defending corners.

Had Martinez carried on the way he did in that first season, I would certainly agree with you, but for whatever reason, his whole game plan changed completely after that first season, even I would agree we were phenomenal in that first season.

One thing I do respect Martinez for, he never made any players scapegoats and I never heard the guy say anything bad about Everton FC.

Jack Convery
438 Posted 16/08/2022 at 01:48:05
If Wolves are signing Nunez, then maybe Gibbs-White is coming our way, with the Gordon money, along with a centre-forward from somewhere plus another on loan.

The End.

Jamie Crowley
439 Posted 16/08/2022 at 01:48:16

You're correct I'd say, years later. Although at the time I wanted Bobby to succeed so damn badly, and appreciated his approach so much, I'd not see it.

And your other point is really important. I've never, ever heard Roberto say a single bad word about Everton, and he seems to still have a big, big soft spot in his heart for the club. He was a very nice man, conducted himself exceedingly well, and he gave me the best Everton season I've ever had or seen.

Si Cooper
440 Posted 16/08/2022 at 01:50:15
Trevor (412),

Right up to the announcement of Calvert-Lewin's injury, and even with the sale of Richarlison, I regarded midfield as by far our most pressing area for improvement. Even now, one or two more who can truly render the likes of Gbamin (just not going to happen), Gomes (just doesn't seem to get it) and Tom Davies (just doesn't have the physical attributes) yesterday's men are very welcome for me.

I guess Alex Iwobi's form has knocked down the urgency to recruit in that department for many but I'm still not sure what his best position is, and he's not a tackler. I'm not sure we can't improve on either Allan (durability now in doubt) or Doucouré (prone to switching off) as well.

I expect a better midfield to both reinforce the defensive ability, so that we become harder to beat, and simultaneously give the attackers more freedom to get forward and contribute more goals. Other sides have done well enough without a specialist striker.

Doesn't mean I don't want a goalscorer as well, but I'm happy for the club to take its time (16 days left in transfer window) and recruit absolutely the best option. Obviously, I'm also hoping Calvert-Lewin recovers, gets fully fit, and gets back to his best.

Jerome Shields
441 Posted 16/08/2022 at 02:25:12
Don #434,

That is the real danger here and few have realised it. Once there looks there is money in selling a player, he is gone as a Everton player.

The fact that Gordon looks like there are offers of £40 million plus means he is in transfer play. It could also explain his lacklustre displays these past two games.

I don't believe that Kenwright is not involved and that the guise of needing a forward is not being used. The fact that Gordon has not had a new contract negotiated also is suspicious.

Neither of the two Chelsea forwards mentioned are anything more than loan material nor compensate for the loss of Gordon, never mind Richarlison.

We could end up with a half-baked squad, and the manager shouldering the blame, after the Summer Transfer Window. Sounds familiar, doesn't it?

There seems to have been either a block on signing forwards, with an attitude that Calvert-Lewin and Rondon will do, or gross negligence on Lampard's and Thewell's part

The fact that Everton's transfer policy is being dictated by Premier League Profit and Sustainability Rules, it could be the latter.

Though I doubt there will be a Kenwright / Chelsea Chairman dinner report should this transfer go through. Surely that would be too bare-faced even for Bill Kenwright.

Ian Linn
442 Posted 16/08/2022 at 02:34:43
We need to keep the sentimentality out of it.

Makes 100% business sense with respect to the financial position we are in.

Make it happen.

Andrew Keatley
443 Posted 16/08/2022 at 02:59:23
Jamie (437) - You continue to conflate two completely different things.

There's such a beautiful irony in the fact that you are on here pushing a data-driven, evidence-based system like Moneyball without actually bothering to understand how such data works.

For some reason, you prefer to see it as your own mixed-up narrative of what you want it to mean rather than what it demonstrably is.

Phillip Warrington
444 Posted 16/08/2022 at 03:50:55
Gordon shows what Everton lack – pace.

Surely if Frank is what he says, he should be able to improve his final touch, and change his willingness to go down, then he would be a player you could build a team around.

That also is the problem with Everton – our young players never get past the potential they show. I remember roughly we had 3 or 4 players in the England U18 and the same in the U20 who won their respective championships in the same year.

Most of those players in those squads have moved on to bigger and better things, except the Everton boys whose skills and technique seem to go backwards.

I would love to know how many defenders and defensive midfield players with have on our books compared to attacking players.

To sell Gordon would be a mistake, he just needs a decent coach to improve him – he could be a match winner.

Brian Murray
445 Posted 16/08/2022 at 05:29:26
No chance we would even be in this division if Martinez was still the manager. He just doesn't get the concept of defending. Another in the long line of inept idiots we manage to find.
Sean Roe
446 Posted 16/08/2022 at 05:31:32
This might be a bit premature but I just want to congratulate the board on re-signing 35-year-old Anthony Gordon back to his home club after his glittering career, winning all there is to win in football with some of the biggest clubs on the planet, or whoever would pay him the most at the time.
Brian Murray
447 Posted 16/08/2022 at 05:34:57
Frank says we must not get silly in our search for a striker. Doesn't he know that's what we excel at especially with the rotating dickie-bow fella negotiating. Please someone tell me Thelwell is in control…
Mike Gaynes
448 Posted 16/08/2022 at 05:41:17
Jamie #437, I think you're overlooking one huge factor. The big money in football and all professional sports isn't made on the year-to-year, profit/loss bottom line. It's made in the growth of the value of the club itself.

And that is not a function of profit and loss in business operations. It's a function of winning things and expanding your brand and riding the wave of the league's expanding TV contracts. John Henry hasn't seen the value of his club explode because his operations are profitable.

Moneyball made the A's successful on the field for a little while, and improved their bottom line by increasing the gate temporarily. But the franchise itself has increased its value less than any other team in baseball. From the point of view of long-term success, Moneyball is a quaint anachronism like the seventh-inning stretch.

Jack Convery
449 Posted 16/08/2022 at 05:43:32
Maybe the reason Levy made an offer for Gordon, whilst going after Richarlison, was because he'd heard Chelsea had enquired after him, when we approached them about Gallagher and Broja or Gilmour.

Is that why he may have offered us Winks and Moura? Is there a pattern or just smoke and mirrors? Why do I feel like we are being played?

No club goes into the season without a centre-forward capable of playing in the Premier League… but we did. Why? Yet another of those mysterious goings on that seem to regularly occur inside Goodison Park. What a club.

Brian Murray
450 Posted 16/08/2022 at 07:01:55
Whatever the outcome of this is, just get it right, Everton – that's all we ask.
Alan Johnson
451 Posted 16/08/2022 at 07:07:34
With this clown of a Chairman still running the show, nothing will change. Gordon will be sold and 50% of the fee will disappear.
Jerome Shields
452 Posted 16/08/2022 at 07:33:51
Ian #443,

Who is going to replace Gordon?

Brian Murray
453 Posted 16/08/2022 at 07:38:19
A phrase (one of many) that will haunt his tenure:

"What would Everton do?"

We are about to find out.

Robert Tressell
454 Posted 16/08/2022 at 07:45:05
Clubs that do well through selling tend to have a player at the club already to replace the guy who is leaving. That's how they maximise what they do with the sale proceeds.

To do this, you need to be bringing through regular quality from the academy, supplemented with high quality youth bought cheap and in decent volume (see Brighton for example).

We don't do this.

With us, we are already without the goals, work rate and drive of Richarlison. No adequate replacement. To lose Gordon too would be a big loss.

So, whilst I agree the fee is high (weirdly high) it provides as many problems as it solves.

I'd rather keep Gordon and buy the ~£15M striker we seem to have the money for.

Michael Lynch
455 Posted 16/08/2022 at 07:45:18
Michael Ball in the Echo today is interesting, about when the club tried to sell him to Liverpool:

My Anthony Gordon fear - I never wanted to leave but Everton accepted Liverpool transfer bid

It's a very sad story. Okay, another era perhaps, but is Anthony Gordon's situation really that different? We'll probably never know the truth of it, or not for another 20 years.

Colin Glassar
456 Posted 16/08/2022 at 07:50:30
Jamie C, we're all good. Let's move on.

As it looks like Anthony might be moving on, my greatest fear is that,t once again, we'll blow this windfall (remember Lukaku) on several mediocre players, eg, Adams, Batshuayi etc… Everton never seem to learn.

Tony Abrahams
457 Posted 16/08/2022 at 07:57:38
Another era, Michael? Bill Kenwright's era isn't finished yet, mate, but he has obviously got rid of loads of boyhood Evertonians who have loved the club because it was the only way “he could survive”. Michael Ball is just confirming something quite a few of us have known about the man for years.

It always comes out in the wash but I've always been of the opinion that most people would sooner be kidded and keep quiet rather than actually admit they've been kidded, which is exactly what the second-rate actor has done to thousands over the years.

Everton FC under Bill Kenwright = Two lost souls in a fishbowl going over the same old ground, year after year.

Danny Baily
458 Posted 16/08/2022 at 08:07:58
Robert 455,

The worry with Gordon is that he'll progress into a top player. As it stands, there's nothing to replace if Gordon goes (goals, assists etc.).

Danny O’Neill
459 Posted 16/08/2022 at 08:09:12
This is an interesting thread. Divided opinion, but mainly constructive. I'm torn. Is it good business? Yes. Could he come good with Everton? I think so.

Good points Brian W, both @413 and @418. I know I'm getting to the stage of life where I look back with blue-tinted glasses, romanticise and place a halo over Kevin Sheedy's head. The Pope has surely given him a sainthood by now, right?

You're right though, it was like he didn't have to expend the energy that others did because he knew how to use time, space and the ball intelligently. God I wish I could watch him play just one more time. He almost played in slow motion. I know I've been critical of the old boys club in the past, but I also wish he was still at Finch Farm.

Brian M @415. Correct about Reid and goals (or lack of). The thing is, those players all contributed to an effective team. Despite my sometimes worrying admiration of Sheedy, they were a team. Each brought something to the field of play and it gelled. Teams win matches, not individuals.

Back to Gordon; again Brian W, good point. He does try to drive on his own without looking up. He's young enough to have that coached out of him. You made me think that Barkley was / is the same. Is it a coaching flaw? Playing like 10-year-olds wanting to beat everyone and win the game on their own? Just a thought.

He's only 21 and last season was the first one where he was a regular first-team player. He will develop and get better.

I'd like that to happen with Everton, but the manager and DoF will make that decision if it is good business for the club. I'd like him to stay, I won't be devastated if he goes. Like I say, I'm torn on this one.

Brian Murray
460 Posted 16/08/2022 at 08:16:38
A bit of clarity wouldn't go amiss and would take the heat of those protecting their jobs. If we can strengthen without selling, just say it. If not, be honest and tell us.

Denise for one is usually paralysed verbally when the going gets tough (see Ancelotti walking). Shiny sickly emails won't do this time.

Rob Halligan
461 Posted 16/08/2022 at 08:18:11
Danny # 460,

You always talk sense, but that last paragraph… do you really think the manager and DoF will make the final decision on whether Anthony stays or goes?

Frank Lampard has stated that Gordon is going nowhere, is not for sale, so why are we still reading about the possibility of him AG leaving? There is only one person who wants to push this through…


Michael Lynch
462 Posted 16/08/2022 at 08:18:46
I actually think the point is being missed here about Gordon by those who say "sell him, he's not as good as Rooney anyway, and we can use the money to buy some top players".

I don't think it's about whether he becomes a brilliant player like Rooney or not, it's what he is now, and what he represents at this club.

However much money we get for him, based on recent history we will simply not replace him with anyone who gives as much to the club as he does - both as a player and as a person.

Yes, it does matter that he's a local lad and an Evertonian, because the key thing is that he's the most motivated player we have. Sure he's talented, but that only gets you so far – he gives us everything and he loves the club because he is an Evertonian like everyone on here.

When he beats a player, or wins the ball back, or even (occasionally!) scores or assists, he represents each one of us in a way few other players ever have. Of course you don't have to be a born and bred Evertonian to do that – look at Richarlison – but it really does help.

He's one of our own, and he's so good that he's caught the eye of the top clubs, and players like that come by once in a generation. We have to keep him, even if it's just for another 2 years.

Robert Tressell
463 Posted 16/08/2022 at 08:25:10
Danny # 459.

Exactly. There needs to be as much a strategy around selling as there is around buying.

Unfortunately we're not yet geared up to sell because of the weakness of our buying (and youth development) over the past few years. Hence the shambles Colin (#457) points out when we do sell.

And we don't "need" a £40M striker right now (especially with reduced service from the wings without Gordon).

This is because a £40M striker is highly unlikely to push us into the Top 6 or Top 4. It might just be the difference between finishing 9th and 13th.

What we do need is a strategy of selling, buying and development that can build a squad to really compete in a year or two (or even more).

That might mean putting up with someone mediocre like Batshuayi or Guirassy as back-up for Calvert-Lewin while we nurture players like Dobbin, Simms or buy foreign and young with exceptional potential like Brighton have done with Encisco (and many others).

Tony Abrahams
464 Posted 16/08/2022 at 08:28:04
Brian @413,

If that is true about Anthony Gordon, then the lad must be feeling very bitter about something, maybe in a similar way to how Michael Ball said he was bitter towards the club for a very long time during that very revealing little piece?

Nicolas@417, the plan definitely looks like it's to play with wingbacks rather than wingers, we will see?

Tony Abrahams
465 Posted 16/08/2022 at 08:43:57
Mike @449, I enjoyed reading that educational post mate. This must be why Gary Neville is giving it to the Glaziers, and why people like myself, absolutely detest Bill Kenwright, simply because these people are only in it for themselves.
Dave Abrahams
466 Posted 16/08/2022 at 08:46:36
Michael (456), true that we will never know the truth of these stories.

Although this revelation by Michael Ball has never been told before, I do remember the stick Frankie Jeffers got when he moved to Arsenal, called a money-grabbing so-and-so by the fans with the whole story orchestrated by the club via the media.

The conclusion I make, even before this story, is that the club makes these decisions and it is very hard for the player to resist the move, even when he will be well rewarded financially if he does move.

In Wayne Rooney's case it suited both the player and the club for different reasons but, without a doubt, Everton were the ones with most to lose if Wayne hadn't been sold, his very small and ridiculous fee saved the club from a financial storm and possible bankruptcy, through the way the club was run by you know who.

Laurie Hartley
467 Posted 16/08/2022 at 08:48:06
Brian # 413 - I read into it the same thing as I did when I saw him with his hair dyed blond (apologies to anyone who has dyed their hair blond) - his head had been turned.

Richarlison will be playing for Fulham next season but Gordon – our Mykolenko will have to be on his toes when he turns up at Goodison on Chelsea's right wing.

I hope the deal for our new centre-forward (whoever he is) is already signed and will go ahead on condition that we have got "the Gordon Money".

Bernie Quinn
468 Posted 16/08/2022 at 08:48:39
My head is spinning after spending well over an hour reading these posts. Do we or don't we sell Gordon?

Whatever the final answer, there's going to be some very upset people in the club. I'm at a loss as to what we should do!

Whatever the decision is, I hope it helps the Team and the club. Thank God I'm not Frank Lampard.

Mal van Schaick
469 Posted 16/08/2022 at 08:51:31
Could be cash and including:- Broja, Gallagher and Gilmour?
Michael Lynch
470 Posted 16/08/2022 at 08:55:10
Dave (467), you're right, football is a murky business and we probably need to be careful before pointing the finger at anyone. Agents, clubs, players themselves are all capable of spinning stories to their advantage, particularly with the use of social media these days.

Perhaps this is why football clubs should have better fan representation. These aren't ordinary businesses, we're not just customers.

(On a side note, I can't tell you how much I hate it when people talk about what a good "product" the Premier League is. Even the ex-pro pundits have started doing it now. It's might be a fucking product to Sky or even to some of the owners, but it's a lot more than that to the fans.)

So Everton, or Anthony, or his agent, need to tell us the truth. Does Gordon want to go or do we want to sell him?

I won't hold my breath.

Andy Meighan
471 Posted 16/08/2022 at 09:04:45
All this talk about Gordon, but absolutely nothing about a striker coming in.

And what has happened to Gueye? iIs he actually still alive. That story just seems to be dead in the water.

Got to get a striker or two in by the weekend ... otherwise, we are going to find ourselves embroiled in a relegation battle with Liverpool and Man Utd.

Peter Mills
472 Posted 16/08/2022 at 09:05:05
As an aside, I saw Anthony walking around Freshfield about 3 weeks ago, and assumed he had moved there. If so, it doesn’t sound like the action of someone pushing to leave the club.
Dave Abrahams
473 Posted 16/08/2022 at 09:05:34
Brian (418), absolutely correct about teamwork, it can't be stressed often enough, Everton are now striving to get it.

Man Utd are miles away from it but the English ladies team won their Euros because they had it in Spades with every girl knowing their job and they did it very well.

Danny O’Neill
474 Posted 16/08/2022 at 09:06:21
Okay Rob, I'll take the call out. You'll have to give me leeway; I got carried away in my Sheedy sentiment and went all naive in believing that Frank and Kevin are in charge!

Given Tony and others' comments, what's the next step with the 27 Years Campaign? It's interesting listening to a very passionate Gary Neville. I don't really hear many of our prominent ex-players speaking out.


Tony Abrahams
475 Posted 16/08/2022 at 09:07:55
Jack@439, that's a good observation that mate.

I was told yesterday by one of my mates, who happens to manage a team in the Championship, that Gibbs-White is a very good player, but because football is all about levels, it still hasn't been proven if he can do it in the Premier League.

If we are going to be playing 3-5-2, then I think we must have at least 5 central defenders on our books, 5/7 midfielders, 4 wingbacks, and 3 centre-forwards? We are sorted in some positions, but not yet in others, so I still think we definitely need two more midfielders and two more forwards to come into this squad.

Paul Hewitt
476 Posted 16/08/2022 at 09:11:32
Not selling Gordon for at least £45 million would be madness.

Sure, he could become a top player in a few years, but we can't wait that long. We need strikers now, so let's sell him and move on.

Phil Lewis
477 Posted 16/08/2022 at 09:14:24
Anthony Gordon's game is all about pace. Huff and puff. Tireless running. End of story. There is little else in his locker.

I for one will breathe a huge sigh of relief once pen has been put to paper and this deal is sealed, regardless of the fee and the terms of the contract. If he stays, I doubt he would even make our subs bench in two seasons' time. By then, people will have realised his limitations.

This is a massive opportunity for Lampard to rebuild. I hope he takes it. Gordon will not be missed.

I wish him well. His transfer percentage will be a nice nest egg for the lad. I believe he will need it, just as a certain Francis Jeffers did.

Trevor Peers
478 Posted 16/08/2022 at 09:14:33
Si @441,

We've already signed two midfielders. The only real crisis is up front! If lightweight Billy Gilmour is our only other signing, then our fate will be sealed.

Your view has a lot in common with the present management and owners who think we can score enough goals to stay in the Premier League without any real goalscorers. Most teams have four strikers to choose from. Everton have one, we have become totally unwatchable, devoid of entertainment.

Time will tell, our goal difference is already minus 2, by November it will be minus 20 and I bet we don't score more than 10 goals in the process, that's relegation form!

Tony Everan
480 Posted 16/08/2022 at 09:19:42
Frank was strongly rumoured to want as first-choice signings, any of Gibbs-White, Broja, Gallagher at the start of the window. Gallagher looks possibly (Frank won't have given up) unobtainable after Tuchel's comments.

To get the other two main targets in, Frank needs £60M. Where were we going to find that money, especially within P&S restraints?

I have suspected, like others, that the sale of Gordon has been on the agenda for a while.

Mark Ryan
481 Posted 16/08/2022 at 09:25:13
Just seems so absurd not to have learnt our lesson over getting rid of talent. One step forward, two steps back all the time.

Never growing, always stuttering and stagnating. The very second we get anyone who can excite with a football we sell and for what?

"Get rid and buy some strikers" everyone shouts. "Get Broja in, get Gilmour, get Gallagher."

Proven Premier League players, are they? I'm not convinced by any of them.

Everton FC, what are we doing selling Gordon, our brightest spark?

Joe McMahon
483 Posted 16/08/2022 at 09:47:42
I'm afraid I fully agree with Phil and Trevor @478 and 479.

Goals win Games. Everton don't score goals, and haven't done since Lukaku left (over 5 years ago). It has to be addressed.

Andy Meighan
484 Posted 16/08/2022 at 09:58:11
I hope to god we don't get that Gilmour as part of any so-called deal. Lightweight and easily bullied off the ball.

Broja... I'm not totally convinced, he didn't do much at Southampton.

Gallagher, looked the part in Palace's side last season but there must be a reason he's getting nowhere near Chelsea's starting XI.

Personally I don't think Gordon will go if Lampard has anything to do with it. But obviously it'll be taken out of his hands by them grubby bastards upstairs.

I'm worried about the lack of activity. If Gordon is not sold by the weekend, surely we can't line up like the previous 2 games. Alli has got to come in and one of Gray or McNeil benched. Please... not Rondon.

Brian Murray
485 Posted 16/08/2022 at 10:02:24
Andy @472. I could live with that as long as the blue smoke swings it again. Street parties galore if Lucifer's brood dropped.
Ray Roche
486 Posted 16/08/2022 at 10:03:04
Gilmour stunk the gaff out at Norwich where he managed 28 appearances. Even the Norwich fans turned against him.

And he's being mooted as part of the deal to sell our crown jewels to Chelsea? And some people on here are welcoming it? Madness.

Why not take Barkley as well, get two unwanted players off Chelsea's books eh? Help them out.

I despair.

Mark Ryan
487 Posted 16/08/2022 at 10:03:29
The one player who would flourish if we had a good striker or two would be Anthony Gordon but we weaken our team if we sell him.

If we sold Pickford, we could get another goalie but he wouldn't be as good as Jordan and so the sum of the parts is weakened.

Who will supply crosses for the new striker if we sell Anthony? McNeil?Is he better than Gordon?

Sell, weaken, sell weaken, sell weaken ad infinitum. Should have kept Dobbin and Simms and grown a team. Get them back and add a Gana Gueye type, job done.

Brian Harrison
488 Posted 16/08/2022 at 10:10:31
In a couple of days, we play Nottingham Forest, and we're still no nearer signing a forward, only talk of maybe losing another one before the week is out. Also, how does Gordon start against Forest with all this speculation going on? His head will be all over the place.

What other club in any league would sell its best player and leading striker, then also end up losing the only other goal-scoring forward on the books to injury which will keep him out for 6-8 weeks, and not go out and buy replacements for that area? Instead, they have spent money on midfield and defensive players, where is the sense in this policy?

We have been linked with about 7 or 8 forwards since Richarlison was sold but nothing came of it, and it might have all been press speculation and there was no interest in any of them. Maybe we just didn't or don't have the money to sign any of them?

But surely a well-established Premier League club must have scouts watching players every week... so has nobody at the club identified a forward or two we could buy who wouldn't break our budget? Seems we need to learn lessons from Brighton and Crystal Palace who seem to find young inexpensive players that improve their teams and progress to such a level they can be sold for many millions.

Seems most clubs realize that Everton have got themselves in such a mess with FFP regulations that they have to sell their better players to still stay compliant. Even Richarlison knew that Everton would have to sell him before the end of June to avoid any sanctions and he was duly sold on the last day of June.

Tim Kells
489 Posted 16/08/2022 at 10:15:11
Remember when Arsenal and Tottenham were building their shiny new stadiums – they had no money and went several transfer windows without buying.

We are the same, the stadium has to be paid from somewhere and Antony Gordon is the latest in the long list of sacrifices without which we can not transform the squad.

Expect him to be sold and only about £20M to be reinvested.

Andy Meighan
490 Posted 16/08/2022 at 10:19:46
Brian. As a certain Brian Wilson said. Wouldn't it be nice.
Duncan McDine
491 Posted 16/08/2022 at 10:20:46
I had the feeling, when Moshiri and his mega bucks arrived, that we would never again have to sell off our best young players to stay afloat.

What a shambles.

Brian Murray
492 Posted 16/08/2022 at 10:30:57
Tim @490,

Both Spurs and Arsenal didn't have a billionaire owner. We did... and still messed it up.

Brian Harrison
493 Posted 16/08/2022 at 10:32:53

How apt to adopt the lyrics from a Beach Boys hit to sum up Everton. You may have started something as I can see many T/W posters suggesting other songs that aptly sum up Everton at present. My song title that sums us up is our local lads' song, HELP.


You are correct – both Arsenal and Spurs didn't do a lot of business while building their new stadiums, and yes, the money has to come from somewhere. But come out and tell the fans that money is tight and, owing to our FFP position over the next 12 months, we will have to be prudent in what we spend.

But no, Moshiri said judge us at the end of the window. Well, we have till 31 August to know how we judge this window.

Alan Corken
494 Posted 16/08/2022 at 10:34:13
Should Everton sell Gordon to Chelsea, it will simply prove that Lampard remains more committed to the future of his old club than he is to Everton.
Clive Rogers
495 Posted 16/08/2022 at 10:38:54
If we sell Gordon, we will need to sign a wide man as McNeil and Gray are not good enough.
Tony Abrahams
496 Posted 16/08/2022 at 10:39:54
Although I don't watch a lot of football nowadays, one player who always impressed me when bursting onto the scene was Billy Gilmour.

I'm sure he got MotM when Scotland drew with England at last summer's Euros, and then got diagnosed with Covid straight after the game?

In a game of opinions, Gilmour, Gibbs-White and a couple of forwards will do for me!

Tim Kells
498 Posted 16/08/2022 at 10:50:18
Brian @494. Totally agree.

A bit of honesty and transparency wouldn't go amiss. But how long is it since we associated those words with our beloved Blues?

Jim White has been used to pass on information in past transfer windows. I might be very cynical but, whilst I'm sure Moshiri has very good intentions, he doesn't know how to run a football club and is badly advised on how to do so.

Lee Robinson
502 Posted 16/08/2022 at 11:01:30
This is a tough one and I don't know what the correct answer is, as no-one will at this stage. I like Gordon a lot, not just for his work rate and energy but he has an impact on the fan base which helped galvanise the club last season, and you can see he's well-liked in the dressing room by players and staff.

However, at this moment in time, he is not a £50M player. My slight criticsm with the lad is, although it was his breakthrough season, I did feel he could have done better in term of goals and assists.

His 4 goals all came from deflections and his final ball or delivery was often found wanting. He rarely gets a clean shot off in good positons and tends to hold onto it too long for me. All of which he can, and will drasticly improve on.

So Chelsea are paying for potential of what he can become, I understand he is a one-track minded, professional, clean-living boy so he will give himself the best chance to become a top player no doubt.

To me it comes down whether we can accept the impact on the club he has now (not just on the pitch) and what we do with the money? If the money is invested in Gilmour, Gibbs-White, Guirassy and another striker, I think it would be tough to say No.

Paul Hewitt
504 Posted 16/08/2022 at 11:11:30
Chelsea bid £45 million for Gordon.

Just take the money.

Mark Ryan
505 Posted 16/08/2022 at 11:16:31
The one player I would like to see us poach from Chelsea is Conor Gallagher but now Newcastle are looking to take him.
Mal van Schaick
506 Posted 16/08/2022 at 11:29:39
Maybe swaps here with a bit of cash.
Derek Knox
508 Posted 16/08/2022 at 11:36:52
Mal @ 507, It's not a Panini Album Fair you know ! 🤔😜🤷‍♂️
John Kavanagh
509 Posted 16/08/2022 at 11:38:53
The more this circus develops, the more apparent it is that Blue Bill's oily paw prints are all over this fiasco. This is a re-run of his Rooney play book.

Carefully leaked press articles that the player wants away etc. What we don't know is how good any new contract offered to Gordon is. I bet it will only be a fraction of what we're paying the bed blockers Mina and Doucoure.

Selling him for an alleged £45 million initially looks very attractive. But it is probably spread over donkey's years and contingent on impossible 'add-ons'. How much cash would we be getting right now guaranteed?

Gordon is the only forward we have available that genuinely worries the opposition and it now looks as if we could be without him on Saturday as part of a team strengthening exercise with no points on the board.

And we may be asked to accept that the likes of Batshuayi, Barkley, or Gilmour will be an improvement – just because they are on Chelsea's books and Lampard knows them? I see nothing in Broja other than a new younger Rondon, which is why Chelsea are looking for a new striker.

As for the mooted foreign imports, only one or two even look as if they could do a job. They would be on fat minimum 3-year contracts and could be the new Tosun, earning big wages and blocking the path for the likes of Simms – who for me should have been kept for a few weeks and given a run in Calvert-Lewin's absence rather than playing Gordon out of position. Only then going out on loan on 31 August if he was clearly not up to the job.

My biggest concern is that this issue is damaging the tremendous unity of the fanbase that kept us up last season. But divide and conquer has also been one of Blue Bill's favourite tactics.

Sam Hoare
511 Posted 16/08/2022 at 11:42:22
I really though and hoped we'd have a striker in by Tuesday or Wednesday. We need one to be available for Forest ideally, they looked pretty handy in their victory over West Ham.

We've been strongly linked with Guirassy, Che Adams, Neal Maupay, Gyokeres, Dieng and Ajorque. I think I'd prefer Broja to any of those though a fit and firing Guirassy is an intriguing prospect.

Maupay and Adams are hard-working decent ball-carriers but I'm not sure they are significant upgrades on Gray, Gordon, or McNeil.

Players like Martin Terrier, Jonathan David, Diaby, Antony, Paqueta, Gakpo etc are in a higher caliber and probably cost between £30-40M but could be bought with the Gordon money.

I quite like Isak at Sociedad who was average last season but looked a £40M player the one before. Could maybe get him on the cheap now.

Get a striker please!

Joe McMahon
512 Posted 16/08/2022 at 11:42:34
Like I stated Last night, it's madness we could get a lot more for Gordon than Liverpool paid for Sadio Mane. This makes up (kind of) for the low fee Richarlison was sold for.

Michael Lynch
513 Posted 16/08/2022 at 11:49:42
Cucurella cost Chelsea £50M and, at 24, he's only played once for Spain and that was when the senior squad had Covid or something. They bought an 18-year-old from Leicester for £20M.

As I've said, I think we'd be mad to sell one of our best two players of last season, having already sold the best one, especially with the trouble we're having recruiting anyone decent. But for Christ's sake, all this stuff about "snatch their hands off for £40M" is madness.

This is Chelsea, they actually seem to want to spend as much as they can as some kind of gesture from the new owners. If Gordon has to go, he should be no less than £60M and it should all be paid upfront, not on the drip and add-ons. Otherwise, why the fuck would we sell him?

£40M gets you nothing much at all these days if you're a Premier League club, because the whole world knows the money that is floating around here.

Jack Convery
514 Posted 16/08/2022 at 12:06:26
If he does go, then I hope the club do the decent thing and replace the shirts sold with 'GORDON'' on the back for free. Make him the No 10!! Who were they trying to kid?

I just hope Frank doesn't think selling Gordon is a step too far and resigns. Then Kenwright can bring back Big Dunc, buy Barkley, bring back Lennon and Delph on a free and give Keane, Holgate, and Davies contract extensions.

Raymond Fox
517 Posted 16/08/2022 at 12:14:22
We probably have/had plenty of targets that we would like to sign.

First, they have to be good enough, the selling club has to want to sell, and the player has to want to come. It's not like we can cherry-pick forwards, there are plenty more reasons why we haven't signed one yet.

Yes, we want another striker… but not one who is going to be another liability.

Brian Murray
518 Posted 16/08/2022 at 12:14:54
Links to Che Adams, Maupay, Batshuayi etc. Have we had enough of this Premier League? Surely not after any of these.
Michael Lynch
519 Posted 16/08/2022 at 12:19:53
Apologies - I said Cucurella cost Chelsea £50M. It was actually around £63M including add-ons.

Gordon should be £75M minimum if they want him. Jesus, Wolves said they wanted £50M for Gibbs-White and he can't even get in the team. Gordon is first name on the team sheet for us.

Inflation, lads, inflation. If Everton really do have to lose their best player, we need to ask for big boy money.

Mark Ryan
520 Posted 16/08/2022 at 12:20:54
If he's not given all of that money to get some new blood in, he really should walk and I'd support him doing that.

We don't deserve to keep Lampard and all he is trying to do, if he's not allowed to rebuild, we would actually deserve to have Mike Walker back.

Pat Kelly
522 Posted 16/08/2022 at 12:30:08
Next we'll have Man Utd in for Pickford.
David West
524 Posted 16/08/2022 at 12:36:14
Michael @463 ,

Would you sell if he was not "one of our own"? That's where people are getting sentimental. I don't think he's a "once in a generation" player.

The way some fans are calling this out as us being a feeder club is ridiculous. It will be the same fans screaming at Gordon when he puts another shit cross in or a corner over hit.

Are Man Utd a feeder club for Madrid?
Are Liverpool a feeder club for Barcelona?
No, all players have a price.

Look at Sancho to Man Utd, Haaland to Man City, you think them Germans are crying about them? No, they see the bigger picture. There was never the same outcry when Man Utd wanted Lukaku – IMO, the best in the country at the time.

But he wasn't "one of our own". Let's get real.

Julian Wait
525 Posted 16/08/2022 at 12:39:01
It might make sense if it means we could get Gallagher, Broja and Gilmour, but would still be a massive blow to lose him.

However I'm not 100% convinced that Broja is the answer to our striker issues, plus Gilmour reportedly had a tough season last year at Norwich (I don't think I saw him play, and if I did he didn't stand out in any way, good or bad).

Gallagher is a wonderful player and exactly what we need.

Billy Fisher
527 Posted 16/08/2022 at 12:41:11
Many reasonable opinions on here.

My opinion is Anthony has qualities that can't be measured by stats. Why are clubs offering big money for him?

I see him as a pacesetter like in athletics, showing the other players you can't slack off, you have to leave everything on the pitch, you have to show character, confidence and fight even when you're playing shite.

Today's footballers are like robots and made more timid by constant criticism on social media. He might not be great but he's vital and unique. Why are clubs with money and managers like Conte and Tuchel interested in a player with poor stats when they can buy as many expensive, technically better players?

Keep him, keep building. The team needs an Evertonian.

Ray Jacques
528 Posted 16/08/2022 at 12:42:04
Everton must be the only club to get a billionaire owner and become a selling club!
Andy Meighan
529 Posted 16/08/2022 at 12:48:25
Michael @514.

I thought Chelsea paid £62M for Cucarella. If that's the case we should get £70M for Gordon.

No seriously, I can see this one running and running. And once again, where is Gueye and is it dead, alive or what? I'd love to know, all gone seriously quiet on that front.

Tuesday afternoon now and still no striker. God, this club put you through it.

Michael Lynch
530 Posted 16/08/2022 at 12:49:45
David (525), but he is one of our own, and it makes a huge difference to us as fans – or it does to me anyway.

I've been going to Goodison since 1969, and, for me, supporting Everton is an irrational quasi-religious madness. For me, it's not just about winning, it's about identity. It's about the ritual of going to the match, coming on to websites like this, being an Evertonian.

So if our best player, – and yes Anthony Gordon right now is our best player – is a local lad who loves the club the way I do... then, yes, it makes him more valuable to me than Dele, or Demarai Gray, or Alex Iwobi.

Sell Richarlison, it's sad, he was great, he "got" the club, but we got a few seasons out of him, it's business. Sell Gordon and we sell a little bit of our soul, of what makes us Everton. He's a 21-year-old with his best years ahead of him and he loves the club.

Am I sentimental? Of course I am, it's part of being a football fan, it's part of being an Evertonian. It's not logical is it, going to the match, week-in & week-out?

Tony Shelby
531 Posted 16/08/2022 at 12:50:11
So, we've sold our former best player and now we're potentially going to sell our de facto best player?

Fucking ridiculous if we do.

I was checking out various Premier L league stats earlier today. Our claim to fame? Most own goals.

Nil Satis Nisi... ah, fuck it.

Paul Hewitt
532 Posted 16/08/2022 at 12:50:55
Is Gordon going to be the next Messi?

It's the only reason I can see us turning down £45 million.

Bill Fairfield
534 Posted 16/08/2022 at 12:58:06
All I want to see is a well-balanced attacking team. If that means Gordon going to help achieve it, well... so be it.
Michael Lynch
535 Posted 16/08/2022 at 12:58:51
Seriously, Paul, it's only £45M. That gets you a Gibbs-White on a 5-year contract and some kid from Scunthorpe on loan.

Anthony Gordon is 21, he's not some has-been, he's not someone who was out on loan last season, he's a highly rated player, and our best player. Just his pressing alone has got the top managers salivating.

£45M is simply nowhere near enough for us to sell him in my opinion.

Brian Harrison
536 Posted 16/08/2022 at 13:00:06
I think many of the posts on here represent the feelings of most Blues. We all expounded a lot of emotion and passion last season in the hope of, having dodged relegation, we would strengthen for this season.

The sale of Richarlison, who was instrumental to what we achieved last season, was disappointing but I think most of us thought this may happen. But what we didn't expect was that, 7 weeks after he was sold, no replacement has been brought into the club.

Then we were unlucky that Calvert-Lewin got injured just a few days before the season started, which was a major blow, but – having sold Richarlison and with Calvert-Lewin out for 6-8 weeks – we allowed all our young reserve strikers to go on loan.

Now maybe I was naïve but I thought, with the plight we were in regarding forwards and letting the young forwards go on loan, I was convinced that Lampard and Thelwell had a couple of strikers lined up to start the season. But if they did have anybody lined up, it obviously didn't result in anyone coming in. Now bids are coming in for another of our forwards yet still no sign of any forwards coming in.

So it looks like against Forest we still will only have Rondon and we know Lampard didn't start him against Villa as we all expected, so will this mean we start with the same front 3 as we did against Villa, assuming Gordon is still an Everton player. And as I said in an earlier post, will Gordon's head be in the right place if he does start?

Ray Jacques
538 Posted 16/08/2022 at 13:12:02
Our best striker sold, a full pre-season, two Premier League games, two defeats, no Everton player has scored.

Three more games before the end of the month and a must-win game this weekend. Our only decent remaining forward injured again. We still haven't bought a forward.

I don't think anything else really matters reference players coming or going, this sums up the stench of ownership and those 'running' Everton Football Club. It is abject.

If your roof is leaking at home, you don't call a plasterer to sort it.

Pete Clarke
539 Posted 16/08/2022 at 13:15:36
Anthony Gordon has proved very little other than promise so far. I would, however, consider it madness to be selling that promise on to anyone for £50 million that we could possibly waste or maybe never get to use for other players.

Moshiri and Kenwright are surely not thick enough to have had this sale in mind when he told us to judge him at the end of the transfer window!

If I were the manager, I would be telling Anthony Gordon that, in a few years time, he will be leading his Everton team out for our first game in the new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock as captain. Put that thought in his head and surround him with better players and he won't want to leave.

I don't think it's even in his thoughts anyway except for the money it would bring in to his working class family.

We brought Frank Lampard and his highly rated team to Everton to build this club up. I know we lost Richarlison to balance things up but, if we sell Gordon, then it's clear Frank and his team are just puppets for the losers that run our club.

Michael Lynch
541 Posted 16/08/2022 at 13:22:19

I agree with much of what you say, and you're right most of our idols haven't been "one of us", so when they are, don't you feel even the slightest bit of happiness or pride?

Isn't it just a little bit special? This kid grew up looking at Everton the way we looked at it, and now he's on the pitch representing us, and he's the best we have.

Colin Malone
543 Posted 16/08/2022 at 13:45:12
NewsNow rumours saying we are interested in Maupay of Brighton. Batshuayi of Chelsea and others.

I would love Everton to test Brentford for Ivan Toney if we let Gordon go.

Ray Roche
544 Posted 16/08/2022 at 13:49:59
Michael Lynch @531,

Yes, you're getting a bit sentimental. Unlike Gordon who has apparently expressed a desire to leave and accept Chelsea's shilling.

He'll go because he wants to go.

Mark Ryan
545 Posted 16/08/2022 at 13:54:13
He's a big Rooney fan. He's doing exactly what Rooney did and taking a leaf out of his book.

He's thinking to himself "stay and for what?"

He'll think "Everton stagnated all the time Rooney was away and it will be the same for me and so fuck it, I'll jump now."

Steavey Buckley
546 Posted 16/08/2022 at 13:55:11
The story continues with Everton 'not getting it right the first time' (not knowing what the first team should look like) as clubs 'up the transfer prices' while Everton drift towards the end of the transfer window.
Ray Smith
547 Posted 16/08/2022 at 13:56:33
It's a compliment to Everton that a club is prepared to cough up £40-£45M for Anthony Gordon in whatever shape or form the deal would or will be brokered.

I might be naive in thinking Gordon will do the honourable thing and stay put, possibly adding a couple of clauses in his contract waiting to be signed. However, unless the hierarchy and associated board members are having us over, he will stay.

In respect of Richarlison, he wanted to leave 2 years ago, however, he promised to stay another year, and was true to his word. A shame he's gone, but I wish him well, an honourable man. The posters knocking Richarlison for leaving should have a rethink in respect of their criticisms.

I wish he had stayed, but we move on without him.

Fingers crossed the striker situation is sorted out asap, but not a panic buy, the likes of which we have seen regularly during the Moshiri & Kenwright years.

Michael Lynch
548 Posted 16/08/2022 at 13:58:11
Ray (545), "apparently" is newspaper talk.

If Gordon really does want to leave, we should try to persuade him to stay. If he still wants to leave after that, then let him go, but get a proper price for him, not this £40M joke of an offer. He's worth at least as much as Cucurella was to Chelsea.

But we were told Rooney wanted to leave, weren't we? And Jeffers? And Michael Ball? Turns out the club wanted the transfer, not the player.

Personally, I doubt that Anthony Gordon has asked to leave but, if he comes out and says so, then fair enough, off you go, lad, if the price is right.

Andrew McLawrence
549 Posted 16/08/2022 at 14:00:02
Does anyone else worry that a very bad end to the window may result in Frank walking away?

We seem never to learn about buying players from big clubs who can't cut it. Sigurdsson, Gomes, Alli, Schneiderlin, Gray, Townsend etc.

Imagine getting rid of Gordon and ending up with Batty Boy and Happy Gilmour. Think I might walk too.

Phil Lewis
550 Posted 16/08/2022 at 14:06:47
I am astounded by the hype surrounding Anthony Gordon. I cannot believe this Superstar status being afforded the lad. I truly do not understand what the fuss is about and fail to see why fans and clubs are putting a crazy, so far unjustified price tag on him.

All I've ever seen so far in a couple of seasons watching the boy, is someone who is fast and is prepared to work hard and tackle back. If he was rattling shots from all angles and firing accurate crosses and pin-pointing dead-ball deliveries, or if his 'playground head down' dribbles were setting up goals for others, I'd be prepared to overlook his poor goal return. But there is little evidence of any of these qualities.

Will someone please put some sanity back into all of this fanaticism concerning his ability?

Kevin Molloy
551 Posted 16/08/2022 at 14:07:03
The key for me about the local aspect can be shown from last season.

Anthony Gordon is not the best player we've had, but last year he was absolutely critical when we had our backs against the wall. If he hadn't have been there with his urgency and drive, I am convinced we would have been relegated.

So the local aspect I think gains in importance when we are in bad shape, when most of us were starting to hold the squad in contempt for their efforts. I think we may be sleepwalking to disaster here. That was a terrible team last season that avoided relegation by its fingertips.

It seems that our strategy for this season is to sell the two best players from that team, and use that money (maybe!) and no more to fund replacements, ie, another negative spend. A strategy that depends upon us suddenly becoming good in the market after the last 10 years. We really are asking for it.

Kenwright really is a scumbag though, and I've only woken up to this recently. I remember him saying about Barmby: "He uttered the words I never want to hear 'I want to play for Liverpool', and the next year he is accepting bids for a reluctant Michael Ball to go, and selling Jeffers to Arsenal.

At the time, I blamed those players for deserting a sinking ship. He let those players take the blame to cover the fact he had to sell anything good to keep hold of power. And he's still doing it 20 years later, trying to pull the wool. What a scumbag.

Bill Gall
552 Posted 16/08/2022 at 14:07:50
Ray #545,

Ray, you say Gordon has expressed a desire to leave, then that must mean that he has put a transfer request in.

Mark #546,

When Rooney left, he did not want to leave, he only put in a transfer request so he could go to Man Utd as Chelsea had put in a higher bid. He did say he would have left later.

Michael Lynch
553 Posted 16/08/2022 at 14:13:19
Kevin @552 totally agree.

We keep hearing about how the fans kept us up last season, well Anthony Gordon was one of the fans – but what we did in the stands and outside the ground, he was doing on the pitch.

If, as I think most of us probably expect, we're in another relegation battle this season, do we really want to try to stay up without the two players who gave so much last time around?

Dave Cashen
554 Posted 16/08/2022 at 14:23:12
Epic thread.

Billy Fisher, for me at least, offers the most reasoned argument.

Gordon's qualities cannot be measured in stats. He's 21, for goodness sake. He hasn't had time to make any meaningful stats.

I saw experienced players visibly wilt under the pressure last season. Not this lad. He took it to the opponent time and time again. No matter who they were.

He's not a striker, but he has not ducked the challenge and, as Billy also points out;, World class managers like Tuchel and Conte are looking at his qualities. They know a player when they see one.

This lad's attitude will ensure he will only get better.
This has nothing to do with sentiment. It's about keeping hold of one of the few players we have who can go past an opponent and who doesn't capitulate at the first sign of adversity.

I honestly don't get how some call for McNeil to be given more time whilst waving Gordon off so willingly. If we sell Gordon, we will have traded the youngster who fought and beat the drop for the one who couldn't.

Give Kenwright £20 million and he will come back with a bag of magic beans. Give him £40M and he'll come back with two.

Ray Smith
556 Posted 16/08/2022 at 14:29:20
Michael @549

I sincerely hope you're right, and it's the usual media hype, and scaremongers stirring it.

Until Gordon or the club make a statement, that's what it is.

Fingers crossed he stays.

Benjamin Dyke
557 Posted 16/08/2022 at 14:32:27
Besides the opportunity to play for a Champion's League team, a team competing at the top end of the Premier League and winning trophies, and a big pay rise, and the chance to leave a team that nearly got relegated last season and have lost the first 2 league games and have no striker which leads to him playing out of position, why on earth would Gordon choose to leave?
Frank Crewe
558 Posted 16/08/2022 at 14:33:13
You want to see Gordon in 2 or 3 years? Look at Demarai Gray. And 2 or 3 years after that? Theo Walcott.

Before anyone comes over all outraged, remember that is what the Leicester and Arsenal fans thought before the bubble burst. He's our hero. The local lad made good. But maybe not so good after all.

Both of those players were going to be god's gift to footy and both have failed to live up to their early promise. Wingers are the most overrated luxury players on the pitch. Football is a team game but wingers are not team players. They are flakey and selfish. Always one more defender to beat before the cross that never comes.

As far as I'm concerned, Everton haven't had a top winger since Trevor Steven. But the fact is these days coaches just double up on wide players and give them no room so they end up running into blind alleys and losing the ball.

We keep doing this. Should the youth system manage to squeeze out a half-decent player, he's immediately lauded as Everton's future. Barkley, Kenny, Davies and now Gordon. Barkley, Kenny and Davies let us down but no doubt Gordon will be different.

If it was up to me, if a good offer all up front without add-ons came in, I'd accept it and use the cash to strengthen the midfield and attack with a good striker or two. After all, we would still have McNeil, Gray, Iwobi and Townsend (when fit), and the up-and-coming Mills if we need wide players.

Richard Lyons
559 Posted 16/08/2022 at 14:34:54
Phil @551 - it's true that his industry and enthusiasm, while impressive, have not yielded many goals for him. However, I've no doubt that ,when he's put in a team with Reece James, Kante, Sterling, Havertz, Mount etc, I'm sure that will change.
Roger Helm
560 Posted 16/08/2022 at 14:35:08
We've now knocked back £45M it seems.

I say sell him now and buy someone who can score goals.

I don't think he is the type whose value will increase much.

Ray Smith
561 Posted 16/08/2022 at 14:36:55
Bill @545,

I have reread my post, and the second paragraph could have been better phrased, in respect of Gordon desirous of wanting to leave.

I still think he will stay, regardless of all the media hype.

Lewis Barclay
562 Posted 16/08/2022 at 14:46:48
I expect this to go down to the wire on deadline day and only be concluded if we get a couple of highly rated players in from Chelsea alongside a decent striker and improve the squad, without question. I think Thelwell and Lampard have a plan and are trying to execute it.

In different circumstances, we'd hold on to Gordon, but for once, I think the correct thing might be done: improve the squad to a place where it doesn't have to battle relegation.

Michael Lynch
564 Posted 16/08/2022 at 14:56:09
I'd love to know what was going on at Finch Farm today though. I'm assuming Anthony is training as normal – possibly with the rest of the squad taking the piss out of him about Chelsea?

Meanwhile, what's Frank doing? Taking the training, yes, but also in meetings with Boys Pen Bill, or the lawyers, or his agent maybe?

Assuming this bid has come unexpectedly, then does it shake up the transfer targets we've been working on? Are we suddenly looking at different options?

Two weeks til the end of the transfer window, this kind of shit worries me. We need a striker for Saturday and, unless he's signed tomorrow at the latest, I don't think that's happening.

Could the club really accept the team coming out to Z-Cars on Saturday, with no striker and no Anthony Gordon?

Everton eh, just when you think we couldn't be any more frustrating, we move the shit-show level up another notch.

Danny Baily
566 Posted 16/08/2022 at 15:04:53
They've offered almost as much as they paid for Raheem Sterling, a full international in his prime who scored 13 Premier League goals last season.

For Antony Gordon.

From the outside, it's a no-brainer, sell up now while they are at the table. They could come to their senses any minute.

Raymond Fox
567 Posted 16/08/2022 at 15:07:41
Michael @531,

Nice one, mate, you made me laugh with "supporing Everton is an 'irrational quasi-religious madness'."

I can relate to that, as most others on here can too, I imagine.

Sam Hoare
568 Posted 16/08/2022 at 15:10:50
£50M would be more than Luiz Diaz, more than Kulusevski, more than Gabriel Jesus, more than Bernardo Silva, more than Mane and Salah.

I think Gordon would be doing well to reach the ability of any of those players, to be honest. To get that for him now feels like an overpay. Part of running a football club well is selling (and buying) players at the right time.

Brendan McLaughlin
569 Posted 16/08/2022 at 15:18:40
£50 miliion?

Tuchel must have received a bigger slap to the head than was apparent during his bust up with Conte the other night.

David Cooper
570 Posted 16/08/2022 at 15:18:51
I think an interesting part of this discussion is what we would do without Gordon.

Like Frank, I think there is another talent waiting to make his mark: Stanley Mills.

I have watched his progress as best I can in the U18s and then U23s. I have been very impressed by what I have seen and how he has developed.

Apart from his physicality and skill, he has always shown good football intelligence, something that cannot always be said of Gordon. I believe he is the next academy graduate to make it into the first team.

Mark Murphy
571 Posted 16/08/2022 at 15:21:53
I have a hunch that the club were looking to cash in on Richarlison and Calvert-Lewin but now Calvert-Lewin is injured, they're looking at our next most sellable asset, ie, Anthony Gordon.

I suspect that the club made his agent aware he was for sale a while ago – hence the Spurs rumours – but the club prefers to deal with Chelsea as we're interested in Broja etc.

Personally I'm not getting wound up until September when the window has closed as this happens every single transfer window and we all work ourselves into a frenzy. We're not going to win the league so a couple of early losses with an incomplete squad doesn't worry me at all.

David West
574 Posted 16/08/2022 at 15:32:20
Mike @531. Oh, I get the irrational nature of supporting a club. Especially a club like Everton!

You got a few years on me. I've been going to Goodison since the early '90s, but I've seen one trophy in my time and that memory is what keeps me coming back for more punishment.

We can be sentimental about our club but the people who are going to make this decision, ie, Frank & Kev, need to leave the sentimentality out of it. Because you don't win trophies or climb the leauge on sentimentality.

That's the argument people throw around when they said Ferguson was kept for sentimental reasons, Unsworth in the academy, Rooney brought back etc. But now it's okay to argue Gordon should be kept – no matter what the price?

Some people want it both ways.

Tommy Carter
576 Posted 16/08/2022 at 15:42:04
Danny @567

I take your point and I do not entirely disagree with it.

However, it's more about the player we are losing than the player Chelsea will be getting.

Can we replace Gordon with somebody as good or even better?

If the answer to that question is No, then what's the point in having the money and losing a player we cannot replace?

Will Mabon
577 Posted 16/08/2022 at 15:42:57
As far as go Gordon's stats versus the intangibles – and accepting these first two results – just the thought of the removal of that level of energy from the team for the Forest game makes me wince.

Such is his effort in chasing and closing down alone, that he is often about knackered by 60 or 70 minutes, which is then immediately noticeable up front.

This is part of what other managers are seeing. Much of the rest of it centres around a rare ability to almost instantly turn the receiving and control of a pass into high-speed movement that can leave most defenders in his wake. He's a very difficult player to mark and track. Hence the "Attention" from opposing players.

He also runs exceptionally quickly with the ball. If he has the right options and players around him, the right movement, then his potential is huge.

There are improvements to be made, and maybe he won't improve so far in every area. The raw material that is there though, just can't be taught.

Michael Lynch
578 Posted 16/08/2022 at 15:44:34
David (575),

I don't think we should keep Anthony Gordon for sentimental reasons, but because of what he brings to the team. And in my opinion what he brings to the team is enhanced by his background as a die-hard local Evertonian. If he was shite, I'd say get rid, but he's not.

On top of that, I genuinely don't believe £40M is enough because he's so integral to what we are at the moment, and to Lampard's plans for the future.

Chelsea paid Brighton £63M for Cucurella, and look like paying up to £80M for Fofana from Leicester. Are they worth that much? I don't think so, but that's what Chelsea are being asked to pay to prise them away from their existing clubs.

If Thelwell and Lampard think that they can produce a better team with the sum being offered by Chelsea, then they'll sell Gordon and the outcome will be entirely down to them.

For example, if they spend the money (and more) on a Wolves squad player and a Chelsea striker who has been loaned out to every club in Europe without finding a permanent home, then that's their call. I hope they get it right.

Mike Gaynes
580 Posted 16/08/2022 at 15:47:48
Lee #503, of all the posts of varying views here, yours comes the closest to how I feel about it. Great summary.

Danny #538, of course I'm not a Scouser but your explanation makes so much sense. Great post, man.

Mike #534, Mark #501, Brian #502 and others, thanks for that info, didn't know that!

Pete Clarke
581 Posted 16/08/2022 at 15:54:28
I hope it doesn't happen as it's just another signal that we are going nowhere. Other clubs just come in and take our best players whilst the likes of Gomes, Mina and Rondon just drain us of money on stupid salaries for doing nothing.

Would we all be happy to take £80 million for Pickford? Two years ago,I would have been glad to see him go for £10 million but he's proved us all wrong and come good to a point where it could be said that he was the main reason we stayed up.

Let Frank Lampard build the team but critically let's see if Moshiri backs those words up because, without a good striker coming in, I don't see us surviving the drop.

Robert Tressell
583 Posted 16/08/2022 at 15:58:44
Sam, it would seem astonishing if Chelsea upped their bid to higher than £40M. I can't really get my head around it as I can't see him getting a game there. What they are desperate for, like us, is a centre-forward.

I think this is why the Broja deal is complicated. They can't let him go just yet because they haven't replaced Lukaku and Werner.

Anyway, to my mind this is probably resolved by the underwhelming acquisition of Guirassy. I don't rate him especially but he'd be decent experienced cover for Calvert-Lewin and of a similar-ish type too.

If they then want to offer us £45M or £50M, then we can use the money to buy a couple of players.

Maybe a centre-midfield player (shame Camara just got sold) and a versatile wing / forward type like Richarlison. I'm sure you have a few names up your sleeve!

However if we sell now we might find the price of Guirassy and Gibbs-White and others goes up to a daft amount also – making look like a less good deal after all.

Ray Roche
584 Posted 16/08/2022 at 16:01:47
Michael @549

It could be just paper talk, Gordon expressing a desire to leave, just as the £40M bid is just paper talk, just as most of the comments on here are guesswork and conjecture.

None of us really know any hard facts so we consider or believe all that we read or none at all, much of it is clickbait anyway.

In essence, if we believe in the £40M bid then we can believe in Gordon (or his agent) wanting a move. I think his head may well have been turned.

Michael Lynch
585 Posted 16/08/2022 at 16:02:40
As Mike has just flagged it up, I went back to Lee's post (503).

The cost to buy the players Lee talks about – Gibbs-White (£35M+), Guirassy (£15M), Billy Gilmour (I'm guessing only £15M because he's not in favour at Chelsea), and AN Other striker (say another £15M?) – would be approximately £80M.

And, to be fair, the prices would probably all rise once the other clubs see we've got money to spend and only two weeks in which to spend it.

So, yes I'd agree. If Chelsea offer us a minimum of £80M for Anthony Gordon, it might be worth thinking about, assuming the lad really wants to leave us.

Brian Wilkinson
587 Posted 16/08/2022 at 16:03:11
Danny@538, excellent post mate and spot on.

Most of our heroes like you say we’re not one of us, Alex young, Alan Ball, Bob Latchford, Neville Southall, Lukaku, Richarlison, all cult heroes.

Players come and go, we idolise them, we lose them, but we never lose our souls to our football club, another hero will emerge, he will depart, but out team will always be here.

Ray Roche
588 Posted 16/08/2022 at 16:13:21
Bill @553,

Not necessarily, Bill. A ‘transfer request' is almost a rarity these days, a player or his agent can express a desire to leave and either end up with a better contract or a transfer.

Clubs don't want a disgruntled player stinking out the dressing room so he'll eventually get his way. The player has all the power these days.

Michael Lynch
589 Posted 16/08/2022 at 16:15:06
Ray @585, fair point.
Joe McMahon
590 Posted 16/08/2022 at 16:20:29
Those saying wait until the transfer window shuts. We have another 3 Premier League games before then. I'm sure none of us will be happy with played 5 and no wins, and possiblity no points.

It's a long way back from that and Calvert-Lewinis not going to be a revelation when he does come back, Headers, yes; shooting oustide the 6-yard box, no.

We need strikers asap; Gordon has to be sold. He may start scoring in the future, but that's a 'may' and we need goals now.

I'm sick to the back teeth of low-scoring Everton and a dreadful goal difference. Last season, our goal difference was worse than Burnley's – and that's with Richarlison.

Mike Gaynes
591 Posted 16/08/2022 at 16:29:35
Joe #591, which of the players with whom we have been connected would you consider potential game-winners for the next three matches?

I really don't think Broja, or Guirassy, or whoever, is gonna jump out of his Range Rover, sign a contract and score two apiece against Forest and Brentford this weekend and next.

Our transfer business is for the season, not the next few weeks.

Brendan McLaughlin
592 Posted 16/08/2022 at 16:29:49
Ray #589

I also think that, if a club receives an offer, they have to communicate it to the player involved. I would imagine in such circumstances, both the club and the player would outline their initial thoughts on the proposed transfer.

David West
593 Posted 16/08/2022 at 16:37:35
Michael @579.

I do respect your opinions, I can see both positives and negatives in keeping or selling. I don't think he's agitated for the move at all.

Who says we even want Broja? Haven't we already knocked back £40M?

"He's integral to what we are" – what we are is toothless up front, to be honest, with Calvert-Lewin or not. Saved from relegation by skin of our teeth, helped by Gordon of course.

I agree that £40M is not enough, I think they are holding out for £50M or £60M. Then we get to the point where it's too good to turn down. I only think they will accept if they have viable targets they can get in before the window slams shut.

Then, as you say, it's on Kev and Frank to use the money to improve the squad or it will be their mistake.

Joe McMahon
595 Posted 16/08/2022 at 16:41:20
Mike, I appreciate that, but I also know points early is handy. Last season if we started like we are doing, we would have been relegated well before season end.

As you ask, Moussa Dembele and the one that got away, to West Ham, Maxwel Cornet who would have filled the Richie gap, £17.5 million was a bargain. I like Brereton Díaz, but now Leeds are interested.

Thelwell needs to find us a gem, like Leicester did with Vardy et al.

Michael Lynch
596 Posted 16/08/2022 at 16:48:25
If that's true about Dele, it's been a very interesting day!

There's no way Anthony Gordon will be going surely? Who would we be left with as a forward or attacking midfield for Saturday? Rondon, McNeil, Gray – have I missed anyone? The team literally picks itself, with no options on the bench.

I'm bringing my boots to the match.

Mark Boullé
597 Posted 16/08/2022 at 16:48:36
Michael at #565 (and doubtless others, not had time to read every comment) is right.

The "to sell or not to sell Gordon" debate is a distraction we the fans and the club really could have done without. Unless, of course, incoming funds from selling him are essential to getting a striker...!

The main point is, another day has ticked by closer to our next game and we are still striker-less (Rondon really doesn't count!). Every day matters now. Surely, surely we won't go into Saturday having to line up with a false 9 / effectively no hope of scoring other than from a set-piece...?!

We are not in 'must-win' territory or anything yet, but Forest at home is a game we need to be targeting at least to get our first point(s) of the season on board. The last thing we need is to be cut adrift and for panic (in the form of buys or more managerial changes) to set in.

I know Lampard has said we need to be 'sensible' with Calvert-Lewin supposedly back in a month, but we can all see that his fitness record looks unlikely to hold up. But, even if he does stay healthy, there might, you know, be some games where we actually want to play two strikers... heaven forbid!

FWIW, I don't want us to sell Anthony, he seems like a great kid whose end product will improve for sure. He's only been in the team regularly for half a season, and then under the most intense pressure a footballer can have to deal with.

If the worst comes to the worst and there is still no striker by Saturday, at the very least, I would play Gray up top and let Gordon loose on the wing – Demarai has at least shown he can finish!

Frank Fearns
598 Posted 16/08/2022 at 16:51:23
Absolutely ridiculous to even consider selling our top young player. He's the only one up front who shows willing, effort and skill.

For sure get a striker in and put Gordon on the wing where he creates problems unlike the other two who do little. This lad has talent and there's more to come with maturity. Selling him will be a huge loss.

Ed Prytherch
599 Posted 16/08/2022 at 16:57:08
Maybe Connor Gallagher would move this way as part of a deal, He is probably in the frame for the England World Cup squad but he needs to be playing more than the last 10 minutes of games.

He would be a great addition to our squad, the player we hoped that Tom Davies would develop into. Maybe Sam can give us an estimate of his market value and how much cash would be involved in such a deal?

Ed Prytherch
601 Posted 16/08/2022 at 16:59:40
Michael @597 – add Alex Iwobi if we bring in another midfielder.
Paul Kossoff
602 Posted 16/08/2022 at 17:02:16
They just offered £45M, according to the Beeb, also knocked back and apparently Chelsea will come back with more.

I'm betting player plus cash and some West End tickets will get Bill to bite.

Michael Lynch
603 Posted 16/08/2022 at 17:04:59
Ed, yes but we haven't brought one in yet. Gana I suppose, but when did he last play?

Even if he joined tomorrow, I can't see our midfield being him and Onana for 90 minutes on Saturday, allowing Iwobi to move forward.

Brian Murray
604 Posted 16/08/2022 at 17:07:31
Okay, all highly commendable if we are going to stick with this stance he's not for sale, which by the way is very un-Everton-like. Maybe Frank and his crew have made it clear they will walk.

Anyway, save us a world of pain and get at least one decent front man, preferably two. We can't rely on Calvert-Lewin so plan without him.

Ed Prytherch
605 Posted 16/08/2022 at 17:11:12
"Not for sale" can be a good bargaining position if you think that they will come back with a better offer.
Barry Williams
606 Posted 16/08/2022 at 17:17:26
I haven't posted on here for years. But just a thought. If Gordon played for another team and we offered them £45 million - would you be happy?

A genuine question!

Jerome Shields
608 Posted 16/08/2022 at 17:19:46
This is the first time that I have come across a report that Gordon is holding out in signing a new contract. Has this now been leaked? I don't think we are getting the full story on this.

Chelsea made an offer, just as Everton were negotiating a loan. Seems to be the Club are threatening to sell him if he does not sign the new contract or the new contract is not good enough so the player is looking to get transferred.

Gerry Quinn
609 Posted 16/08/2022 at 17:20:34
Barry @606 – yes, if we had the cash boatload that Chelsea had!!!!!

Everton, as now, not sure he produces enough finishes – oh, and that diving gets on my frickin nerves – so unnecessary and false.

Gerry Quinn
610 Posted 16/08/2022 at 17:20:34
Barry 606 - yes, if we had the cash boatload that Chelsea had!!!!!

Everton, as now, not sure he produces enough finishes – oh, and that diving gets on my frickin nerves – so unnecessary and false.

Brent Stephens
611 Posted 16/08/2022 at 17:22:06
Barry #606

"If Gordon played for another team and we offered them £45 million – would you be happy?"

Great way of framing the issue! Answer – an emphatic no! TW would be in meltdown!

Michael Lynch
612 Posted 16/08/2022 at 17:27:38
Gerry's already answered it, but I'd add that if – like Chelsea – we were in a position to spend £63M on Cucurella, bid £80M for Fofana and £20M on a kid from Villa who has played a dozen times for the first team, then I'd be very comfortable with £45M for Anthony Gordon, after watching the way he torments the opposition with his pace and pressing.

Dale Self
614 Posted 16/08/2022 at 17:28:11
Well damnit, Barry @606! With wisdom like that, you really could show up here a bit more often. Keep it going.
Ian Pilkington
615 Posted 16/08/2022 at 17:32:00
I have kept off this thread until now because I have been disgusted how many contributors seem perfectly happy to lose another of our prized assets.

Michael Ball's article in the Echo brought home the pain felt when he departed for Rangers all those years ago, and thanks to Kenwright's total failure to run our club to the advantage of anyone but himself, there have been many more since.

Thankfully Frank appears insistent on keeping Anthony and the news that Dele may go to Besiktas will release more funds to sign a decent striker, although after selling Richarlison I find it hard to believe we are as badly hamstrung with FFP as many on here seem to think.

Ian Bennett
616 Posted 16/08/2022 at 17:41:43
Here's where we are: Everton have to sell.

Everton have never kept good players, and have a history of selling their best players.

If we don't sell this summer, we will probably sell next. It's highly unlikely that this lad stays for the next 10 years if he's high quality – it's just a matter of when.

Everton leak a player is looking to leave and that he has turned down a new improved contract (insert biggest contract or other guff to seem plausible)

Everton will force the lad to put in a transfer request.

Fans outraged, they'll be pleased to sell him and get a fee.

Agent happy with big fees and cut of the newer higher wages.

Player finds that new environment isn't too great and invariably goes backwards.

File under Ball, Jeffers, Rooney, Rodwell, Lukuku, Speed etc, or more bollocks like bidding for Shearer. Fake Big Club.

Mike Gwyer
618 Posted 16/08/2022 at 18:04:12
Ian #616.

It always saddening for me to see fans belittle this great club. In answer to your post, Everton have kept good players, plenty of them. However, many good players have left and not succeeded and many good players have left and have not wanted to leave.

For me, if you want to slag off the owner, the CEO, the manager, the ex manager or even the ex ex ex manager, then fill your boots but always remember, Everton FC is far greater than any of these people so let's not knock this wonderful football club.

Phil Lewis
619 Posted 16/08/2022 at 18:08:05
In a nutshell; it isn't that Gordon's performances have been so great. It's the continued abysmal form and attitude of his teammates for so long, that has made him look outstanding by comparison. That's what's endeared him to everyone.

Gutsy local lad makes good? Yes and good luck to him.

World beater? Don't make me laugh!

P Ron Wells
620 Posted 16/08/2022 at 18:13:01
Barry, #606, great observation and the answer draws a line between sentimentality (wanting him to stay) and realism (needing the moolah).
Soren Moyer
621 Posted 16/08/2022 at 18:18:00
If the club decides to sell then take the money and use some of it on Jao Pedro from Watford. He is a better player than Antony Gordon, IMO.
Paul Birmingham
625 Posted 16/08/2022 at 18:28:55
Damned if they do, or don’t but if as the most valuable asset and potential at EFC, and if for the purpose of improving this Everton Team, then, it’s business, and no emotion but get on with improving EFC.

The reality of the lack of a goal scorer is hurting all ready.

Forest will be no mugs and will have done their home work.

But let’s see what happens between now and Friday tea time.

If Gordon starts on Saturday, then I’m sure he and the rest of the team, will be given the very best vociferous support that Goodison gives.

Lessons learnt from last season, and many before, but to win football games you must score goals, and Everton have been on goal rations since Lukaku left.

But selling the player must be part of a replacement process and let’s hope Lampard and Thelwell, if this is the case have Plans A, B and C to get a striker(s).

But no has-beens and and mediocre players..

Stu Gore
626 Posted 16/08/2022 at 18:33:11
If it was my decision (and it ain't and will never be), I'd sell. Gordon is blue and a fan favourite but also limited in his output. Goals and assists are really low.

For north of £50M it's a yes from me. That money helps the team. It's what the academy is for.

Don't get me wrong, I'd rather sell Gray for £50M. And the two are roughly equivalent in terms of output.

Brian Murray
627 Posted 16/08/2022 at 18:40:46
I'll try and be positive here. Thelwell has it all sorted if and when Gordon goes. We have Stanley Mills to unleash near a stadium near you. Gana on the way which will allow Onana freedom to cause havoc with them surging runs. Okay ostrich effect gone... effin sort it, Everton.
Bill Gall
628 Posted 16/08/2022 at 18:41:13
Ray #588,

You are talking about tapping up, not saying it may not be done but they have to be very careful. Section C1 of the FA rules prohibits a player who is under contract or his agent from talking to other clubs without the consent of the player's current club.

Sanctions can be put on a club tapping up the player, manager of the club tapping up the player, the player and the agent of the player.

In a high-profile case in 2005 involving Ashley Cole who with his agent illicitly met representatives of Chelsea FC. The sanctions imposed. A fine and a suspended 3 pt deduction for the club. A fine for the manager. A fine for the player. A fine and suspension of the licence for the agent.

That is why a player who wants to move is advised to put in a transfer request, if they refuse, as you say they will have a disgruntled player on their hands.

Ian Riley
631 Posted 16/08/2022 at 19:08:41
Gordon goes or stays? The smoke screen this has created and distraction from the bigger concern to this team and club. No goals equals relegation! If Gordon stays he won't score 20 plus goals.

If we need funds to get goals then so be it. It's not personal but business. All I know the delay in signing a striker will lead to a relegation battle or possibly relegation. If Frank goes I wouldn't blame him. He has a career to think about.

Michael Lynch
632 Posted 16/08/2022 at 19:21:06
Unusually, I'm with the Echo on this, or is the Echo with me?

"If the Londoners really are determined to make an offer that they feel Everton cannot refuse, it also has to be noted that seeing as they've splashed out £62million on a left-back with just one season of Premier League experience this summer (Marc Cucurella from Brighton & Hove Albion), given the premium for English talent, the fact that Gordon is an attacking player and the Blues' desire not to sell, the logical conclusion would surely be that you'd need a greater price than that for business to even be considered at this stage.

"If Everton do not want to sell then they need to be tough, stand up to Chelsea again and then follow that up with a formal contract offer for Gordon who has the potential to be one of their shining lights by the time they move into their new stadium in a couple of years' time."

Kev Jones
633 Posted 16/08/2022 at 19:23:08
Good they have knocked that back. Row Z hopefully. Gordon is not a centre-forward and not our hope for goals. He's doing a great job for the team being played out of position.

Get a striker in – don't sell our our great prospect who needs time to develop.

Jack Convery
634 Posted 16/08/2022 at 19:25:31
Just read - Chelsea Set to Complete Signing of Cesare Casadei, the New Frank Lampard.

If this is true does that mean Conor Gallagher is now surplus to requirements?

Are the stars starting to align?

Denis Richardson
635 Posted 16/08/2022 at 19:27:16
I presume this is just brinkmanship on our part to either get Chelsea up to £50m and/or negotiate for one or two of their players to come to us.

I cannot imagine we'd refuse a £50M bid. (Bu I have no idea why Chelsea would want Gordon in the first place, never mind at that sort of price!)

If Chelsea want to splash the new cash, we shouldn't be too shy to accept!

Bring in Broja and Gallagher and/or Hudson-Odoi and that would be a very good trade.

Pat Kelly
636 Posted 16/08/2022 at 19:28:48
It's just dawned on me why Chelsea want to take Gordon. They obviously see us title contenders.
Will Mabon
637 Posted 16/08/2022 at 19:30:12
Pat, the game at Goodison was a wake-up call.
Pat Kelly
640 Posted 16/08/2022 at 19:45:07
Will, there were certainly alarm bells.
David West
641 Posted 16/08/2022 at 19:46:38
Michael @632,

I'm with you and the Echo's with us!!
I don't think Everton expected this bid. It's thrown a cloud over what was turning out to be not a bad window (striker aside up to now).

As we know, you pay extra for English talent, we don't need to sell like Richarlison's sale, so we should just name the figure £65M up front with add-ons. Take it or leave it.

The disruption this must be causing is not good, it's just going to fuck with planning for the end of the window.

Oliver Molloy
642 Posted 16/08/2022 at 19:46:53
Barry @606,

A Leeds supporting friend of mine asked me the very same question today and it does get you thinking.

I wasn't happy with us paying £20 million for McNeil, so my answer would be No.

Will Mabon
644 Posted 16/08/2022 at 19:50:56
Pat - sometimes the softest heartbeat of a sleeping giant is felt as an ominous booming drum.

Our time is nigh and they know it.

David West
645 Posted 16/08/2022 at 19:53:58
I feel for the lad though. If a £50M-£60M offer is there and the club put it to him, he will be in an awkward position.

Knowing he's a blue, knowing he don't want to leave, yet he will understand the value to the club that kind of money means.

If it happens, hopefully he'll be back in 2 years when Chelsea change manager again and then go spending another £300M.

Pat Kelly
647 Posted 16/08/2022 at 19:57:55
Everton - the only Club more exciting off the field than on it.
Oliver Molloy
649 Posted 16/08/2022 at 20:05:12
David, don't you think Gordon would welcome playing in a side capable of mounting a challenge for all competitions never mind the money he will be on?

It is being reported that he'd spoken with Lampard and has said he would like the club to consider any transfer offer.

I don't think he will throw the dummy out because he is a local lad and has been with Everton since a kid – but I don't think there is any doubt the club are just waiting to see how bad they want him and isn't there now whispers of Man City also being admirers?

As someone else pointed out on here, if they pay Brighton £62 million for a full-back with one season behind him, then Gordon as an attacker with age on his side must be worth at least the same.

Gareth Price
650 Posted 16/08/2022 at 20:06:46
This seems an odd deal. Gordon won't get in the Chelsea first XI so why do they want him? I wonder if they are trying to meet their homegrown quota which they may be struggling with:

How the Premier League’s homegrown rule is impacting your club’s transfers

They certainly are not in a position to sell any homegrown players (Gallagher, Gilmour, Broja?) without bringing some others in.

Matthew Williams
654 Posted 16/08/2022 at 20:20:47
I'm pretty sure Chelsea will get their man in the end. It seems we're still in talks with PSG over signing Gana (sigh) and the latest news involves Alli going to Turkey on a possible permanent deal or yet another loan.

Our fucking board are simply not fit for purpose!

Ray Roche
655 Posted 16/08/2022 at 20:28:16
Bill @628

Bill, in the 17 years since your quoted case things have changed. Players, agents, even managers are ‘tapped up' by other clubs wanting their services.

There doesn't appear to be any fear of punishment these days and no intention from the FA to punish clubs who don't adhere to the ‘rules'. Even Moyes was quite brazenly courted by Man Utd.

Anyone who thinks that there is any honour or desire to act in accordance with the rules in football these days is naive in the extreme. Sadly.

Iain Johnston
656 Posted 16/08/2022 at 20:35:15
Gareth #650.

Tuchel reckons he wants him as competition for Reece James.

If you include Gallagher & Borja, Chelsea have 14 homegrown players in their first-team squad. Minimum is 8.

Matthew Williams
658 Posted 16/08/2022 at 20:44:47
As for our striker problem, can we just recall Kean, Broadhead and Simms from their loans?... after all our need is greater!

Play two up top and the other one sits next to Rondon on the bench... sorted... and go back to basics, play 4-4-2 as wing backs simply don't work at our club!

Steve Shave
661 Posted 16/08/2022 at 20:50:51
Matthew @658, if you think we are going to ditch wingbacks, I think you will be disappointed. Thelwell specialises in building teams this way, Frank is on board with that. Coady, Patterson and Mykolenko have all been brought to accommodate the model too.

My theory is that Gordon doesn't fit into that system which is why a) he's been recently played out of position (yes I know and the fact we have zero strikers) and b) is being considered for sale so we can buy players that fit the system.

That does present other problems as many have identified, we will need someone like Gibbs-White and two strikers plus Gueye. Gonna be a busy few weeks.

Mike Corcoran
665 Posted 16/08/2022 at 21:08:45
Steve 661,

I agree, the wingbacks are scheduled to provide the width. Mentioned it about 250 posts back. 5-3-2 is what Thellwell wants to build the club around. That's why we need Gueye or similar, Gibbs-White, Gilmour, Gallagher or similar and 2 decent strikers.

Business won't provide adequate back-up in midfield though so the likes of Warrington, Price and Mills may be getting a sniff sooner than later. Players come, players go (unless you are on Brewsters with a log full of splinters in your arse – or in the sick bay, like half of our useless squad).

Andy Crooks
676 Posted 16/08/2022 at 21:46:05
Seems to me that better teams and more successful clubs like Gordon. If we have any aspirations, we should end this talk and keep him. If his head is turned, which I doubt, by the way, tell him to turn it back and be a Blue and proud.
Mike Hayes
680 Posted 16/08/2022 at 22:23:40
Anyone thinking we can hold Chelsea to ransom over Gordon needs to remember Kenwright the gobshite sold Rooney for a bag of magic beans and first refusal on him coming back when all but finished - good business or not, the fat twat needs to go now! 😡
Tommy Carter
684 Posted 16/08/2022 at 22:38:13
Steve @661,

It will be busy indeed Steve. To the extent that we are likely to have a completely new starting XI almost.

To that end, I think it is important that Frank is afforded patience. The primary objective is staying up. And barring some kind of 10-game losing streak and a clear loss of confidence in the manager - from the players - then Frank should be given the season to try and build.

He has worked to develop a connection between the supporters and the club. He is trying to provide the team with an identity – we now have a large core of British players – much like the successful teams he was part of.

These are important foundations for what clearly is a requisite long-term plan.

Clearly the performances since his arrival have lacked quality and this is where we need to develop. But he would argue that he hasn't had the players to achieve a better standard of performance. And I would tend to agree with him. He's never had a fit striker to use and his best player and only other attacker with a goal in him was sold in the summer.

One would expect that he would seek to improve our attacking options and I expect this to happen. I'd be disappointed and flabbergasted if we do not sign one or even two strikers / attackers before the window closes. Receipt of the Gordon transfer fee may be the catalyst for this happening. If so, he will be judged ultimately on the attackers he brings in. A critical time for he and the football club.

Everton. Very rare ups, many downs, but never boring.

Brian Murray
685 Posted 16/08/2022 at 22:39:35
I'd love to know what's going through Gordon's mind right now. I keep hearing a footballer's career is short but that wears a bit thin with me considering the obscene wages they get… but hey, that's the Sky era.

I wish him well, whatever the call is. We need an answer now, same as the Broja situation, if we are hanging onto him.

Andy Meighan
687 Posted 16/08/2022 at 22:50:15
Great Post, Tommy @685.
Mike Brownlow
688 Posted 16/08/2022 at 22:53:08
For Broja, Conor Gallagher and a 20% sell-on fee added, I'd let go no problem.

He's good and drives the team forward but he's not £50M good. So I'm happy to swap him to better the team... the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, as they say.

Jamie Crowley
691 Posted 16/08/2022 at 23:29:26
I haven't paid attention to the news most of the day, and I was surprised Chelsea increased the offer so quickly.

This is a large sum now. A lot of posters were stating £50 million, and I thought yesterday that was pie in the sky. Not so much any longer?

Can't believe it's £45 million for Gordon. Love the kid, but man that's a lot of money in my opinion.

Tommy @685, great post.

Anthony Jones
692 Posted 16/08/2022 at 23:43:04
Where do these fan valuations come from? The lad was our most threatening player in several matches last season. If he scares enough defenders to turn a few draws into wins, he will be worth double-digit points.

Richarlison has gone. The prophet that is Fabrizio Romano is talking of Dele to Turkey. We need a fighter amongst the front three but we also need his direct running. Chelsea being interested confirms his value to us.

He owes the club that brought him up. If he wants to go, so what? He will still fight for the club if and when he stays.

Mike Gaynes
696 Posted 17/08/2022 at 01:04:41
Tommy #685, excellent summary. Agreed.
Jerome Shields
699 Posted 17/08/2022 at 04:56:43
Everton may have gained financially from the sale of players who been of value, but the squad under Kenwright never has. Gordon's sale will not see him replaced by a similar quality player. The two Chelsea players on offer are not of similar quality in their positions.

Everton have been late in the transfer window offering Gordon a new contract, even with interest shown by Newcastle. They have not offered a sufficiently good contract for Gordon to sign.

The problem at Everton is that there are a number of players on contracts they are not worth and comparison can be drawn by players like Gordon and doubts can arise regarding club motives.

Colin Glassar
700 Posted 17/08/2022 at 06:47:38
For those of you who want to sell Gordon to the highest bidder, careful what you wish for. Quantity over quality has been our downfall in recent decades.

Alan Ball, Wayne Rooney, Romulo Lukaku and now Richarlison. All emblematic Everton players. All sold and replaced by inferior players (or not replaced at all like Lukaku and, so far, Richarlison).

Jerome Shields
701 Posted 17/08/2022 at 07:33:21
I would think that, if Everton want to remain a midtable team, they need to be signing a quality forward and pay for him.

Notice I said 'midtable' rather than 'progress'. The truth is that the objective of the club for years has been a midtable fineish to th season, but now the objective is to survive relegation. There is that much complacency at the club that this is now the objective. The Gordon saga is a reflection of that.

The takeover was an attempt to get Moshiri to sell. He probably considered itafter the relegation scare. If relegation is threatened again, he might consider selling again.

Ian Bennett
704 Posted 17/08/2022 at 08:13:26
Colin 701 - correct. That's where we are in the food chain.

It's really hard to build an attachment to players, when the best just get picked off. And that's local players or foreign lads.

Feels like the late 90s and early 2000s when supporting Everton.

Brian Murray
719 Posted 17/08/2022 at 11:28:49
We may have the first locking of horns / clash with Thelwell and Lampard which could be catastrophic for the club.

Lampard no doubt has a deep affinity for Gordon but the DoF may point out "Look, here's our targets we need front men or relegation fight again."

This really is the biggest call in years. Unless I'm unduly worrying and we already have the coin for more than decent strikers lined up.

Michael Lynch
722 Posted 17/08/2022 at 11:56:32
Brian @720,

The scenario of our DoF pressuring for the sale would suggest that, until the Gordon thing came up, we were happy to play the season out with no strikers except Calvert-Lewin.

I think a more credible suggestion would be that we've been trying to buy strikers all summer, and have failed.

If anything, the Gordon transfer would simply allow us to look at a slightly different quality of striker, but it must be too late in this window to do that surely? Unless we're going to over-spend like the RS did when they panicked and bought Andy Caroll.

Even then, the coin we'll get for Anthony won't go very far in such an inflated market.

Kevin McCartney
723 Posted 17/08/2022 at 11:56:56
If anyone on here knows or is in close proximity to Anthony Gordon's inner circle, for the love of a god, go tell them to get him to the bloody hairdressers in order to sort out that new disastrous goldilocks style, it looks like a pot of paint has landed on his head.

If he wants people to take him seriously in this day and age, and within the industry that he is in, then be as it may, first impressions do matter, and seeing that 'whatever it is' that he's trying to pull off, well it ain't working, son, a simple crew cut would suffice.

As for the bantered £40M - £45M offer from Chelsea, well I'd hold out or £50M, plus Ross Barkley, since Gordon is young and raw talent, but what if he doesn't deliver etc?

So that current hot price tag seems awfully tempting, hence sell him and get an attacking midfielder plus £50M to go spend on 2 or 3 good calibre forwards because we need them!

Mark Tanton
724 Posted 17/08/2022 at 12:02:02
There is an air of inevitability about this isn't there? How long does the club pretend to be resolute before accepting the offer? Long enough for the money to be useless in this window, probably.
Bill Gall
731 Posted 17/08/2022 at 15:15:33
Do we as supporters just want us to be a feeder club to the Top 6, or do we want a club with ambition to improve itself?

We have gone years with just chances of trophies, never ever favorites, and I know whose name will crop up for that.

Look how much other teams have improved after buying one of our best players... like Collins, Ball, Rooney, Lineker and Lukaku and more.

Without getting into a squabble over whose fault it was since Moshiri bought us, for once we have financial backing with a new stadium on the horizon, and for those who say Moshiri is broke, he is listed on Forbes with practically the same amount as when he first bought into Everton FC.

To me, we have got the right set-up with Thelwell and Lampard, along with the coaching squad he has; we need to back them and not allow the club to sell our better young players to sit on the other team's bench.

All the screaming now is that we need a striker, the reason, a couple of days before the season started Calvert-Lewin gets injured and his back-up, Rondon, is suspended.

Before this happened, the talk was we needed coverage at the back and (my favourite topic last season) a better midfield, and now we have injuries to Godfrey, Mina and Doucouré. This has been covered with 2 new central defenders and the midfield with 2 new players with the expectation of another one.

Everton have been listed as trying for a new striker since the transfer window opened and were still listed as looking for one before this news about Gordon, so they must have had the finances to do so.

Selling Gordon, and yes, it is a large amount, will indicate that we have money to spend and other clubs will be aware of this and increase the price of any of their players.

Looking over our present squad with maybe the chance of 1 or 2 more, we have a better squad than last season, that should get us into the Top 12. But selling our young better players to buy other players, with no guarantees that they will improve us, to me is bad business.

So my question is: Do we want to become a feeder club for the Top 6? Or, do we want a club with ambition to improve itself?

Remember, having the money doesn't guarantee you get the player you want.

Eddie Dunn
732 Posted 17/08/2022 at 15:49:29

I am firmly in the keep Gordon camp. It might well be sensible to sell now in terms of potential and it's value as he may well turn out to be yet another winger who couldn't quite get his end product right.
However, I think we have seen that he can score goals and he is brave enough to have a pop. He also is extremely quick.

I do not want to see him go from strength to strength in the blue of Chelsea. Let's keep our local lad. And although it is frustrating, I hope that we will get another front man very soon.

After our crazy end-of-season and FFP problems, the squad needed improving everywhere. It is looking better in defence and now with Onana and hopefully Gueye we can compete.

Ed Prytherch
734 Posted 17/08/2022 at 15:50:53
Kevin 724 - I agree that should ask for more if we take Ross off their hands.
Raymond Fox
736 Posted 17/08/2022 at 16:05:52
Bill @732, you're right about selling our best players being a road to nowhere, the last 30 years tells us that.

If you don't have top 6 quality players, how are going to compete with them. The short answer is were not.

The problem is when these clubs make it known they want a player it's bound to be tempting for that player.

They're paid that much now, it's a question of who has the upper hand, the club or the player.

It's the chicken and the egg thing, unless we can keep our top players and be able to buy Top 6 quality, we will continue to struggle; we in the main fail on both counts.

It boils down to the fact that the said Top 6 have gained an advantage over the rest of us that is a very hard nut to crack. I think all of us know this but continue to hope for a minor miracle.

We could have a glorious season where we knock one or two of them off their perch... but staying there is more difficult.

Rob Jones
737 Posted 17/08/2022 at 16:11:56
Tried optimism.

And then read some more comments.

We are so low-rent as a club.

Justin Doone
740 Posted 17/08/2022 at 16:25:53
Forget dreams of top 6. The reality is to avoid relegation.

We need the money, we need to invest in several positions just to compete for mid-table.

Chelsea are offering £75-85M for a young defender. Surely we can get similar for Gordon.

If a player wants to go and we get a good deal, £70M plus then it's going to happen and sadly I accept that is the reality.

But, no loans from Chelsea! We need to build a team around a Gallagher type, dynamic, athletic, young midfielder that is box to box and can score goals.

A season loan for Gallagher, Broja or 'other prospect' wouldn't benefit us longer term and would be the wrong movement for our future.

Iain Johnston
742 Posted 17/08/2022 at 16:38:12
When it comes to playing for Everton I wouldn't care if the lad was my son far less a product of our academy. As an attacking player if you can't score, can't take a decent free kick or corner, go somewhere else.

Take the money, don't take the money but honestly ask yourself this.

If we had £45 - £50m to spend on a forward would you seriously consider Anthony Gordon?

I know I wouldn't, Chelsea can have him.

Justin #755 We have two loan players already, Vinagre & Coady, we can't have any more.

Tony Abrahams
743 Posted 17/08/2022 at 16:55:06
Bill G,

I think it's a horrible question to ask mate when you consider what we have been allowed to become over time.

A club that haven't won a trophy for 27 years and we have got the chairman telling Evertonians outside Goodison that we have had some good times, tells me everything I sadly need to know.

Kenwright and his "plucky little Everton" should have been thrown into the Royal Blue Mersey years ago, but incredibly the man is still standing and is possibly still playing his very old tricks?

Mike Gwyer
746 Posted 17/08/2022 at 17:08:45
For me, the more pressing problem is an Everton team that has to take points against Forest on Saturday. Will Gordon play, if he has read as much shit as I have about his on/off transfer to Chelsea, then he'll be a wreck.

Furthermore, this transfer has Kenwright written all over it, fuck me that man should hang his head in shame. Three games into the season and we still do not have a Number 9.

If we are playing without Gordon, and it looks like Alli is also trying to fuck off, then where do our goals come from. Where????

Neil Copeland
747 Posted 17/08/2022 at 17:12:26
Iain #743,

Fifa rules allow clubs up to 8 loans. The Prem allows clubs 2 loans from another English club.

Therefore, we are still okay for 1 more from an English club and up to 6 more in total (at least 5 would need to be from outside of England).

Pete Neilson
748 Posted 17/08/2022 at 17:31:11
On top of the loans there are free agents. Andy Carroll and Oumar Niasse are available. That's £50M of talent available for free. Get 'em signed and then we can concentrate on selling Pickford.
Ed Prytherch
749 Posted 17/08/2022 at 17:40:47
Mike @747,

Dele's absence won't make much difference to our expected goals.

Robert Williams
750 Posted 17/08/2022 at 18:10:42
Tony @744,

"Kenwright and his plucky little Everton should have been thrown into the Royal Blue Mersey, years ago, but incredibly the man is still standing and is possibly still playing his very old tricks?"

Which reminds me - what has happened to the Enough is Enough Brigade and the 27-Year Campaign? I thought both these were set to change the scenery but it seems that all is quiet on the Goodison front??

Bill Gall
751 Posted 17/08/2022 at 18:26:39
Tony @744,

So your only answer to the question is to fire Kenwright.

Michael McFarlane
752 Posted 17/08/2022 at 18:28:08
From a buyers perspective, I don't see Anthony as a £45M player right now. He might develop to be one with work on his decision making, ball playing and finishing. But if Sterling is £50M, £45M is generous.

Should we sell now? It depends. We need all the help we can get right now. If this sale allows us to buy better player(s) before the transfer window closes, then that's logical. However, if we spend the money on lesser players or cannot spend the money, then it's bad business for the club, simply based on the risk to our premiership status it presents.

The people who should be answering that question are those whose job it is - Kevin and Frank. Who have they got lined up already and will the club be better off – in footballing terms – as a result. That should – and I use 'should' deliberately – provide the answer.

Brian Wilkinson
753 Posted 17/08/2022 at 18:33:56
Robert, the Enough is Enough was waiting for the transfer window to close first and, as far as I am aware, they still have 9 September pencilled in.

It was put back a while ago to judge Moshiri on his "wait until the transfer window shuts".

Jim Lloyd
765 Posted 17/08/2022 at 19:20:52
Justin (741), I agree. I see our season's top priority is to get away from the relegation zone... and stay away. Anything around mid-table would be a good season. Anything higher would be an excellent one.

The Telegraph's Matt Law, wrote yesterday, that Gordon has let it be known he'd like a move to Chelsea. although he hasn't asked for a transfer. If that's the case, then perhaps there's a lot of haggling going on. It used to be, ( don't know if it still is) that a player would be entitled to 5% of the transfer fee, if he hadn't asked for a transfer. Evidently, if he asked for a move, he would not get that sum.

That's why it's important to get the best player(s) we can, to avoid any chance of being stuck in the relegation zone at the end of this season. In order to get the best players we can (up front and midfield) we need money. Whatever funds are available, maybe all of the Richie money will be needed, if we want to buy. If we are looking for loans (with perhaps a view to buy) as well, we could perhaps get another 3 or 4 good players in. I think that's at least what we want, as I don't really want to see Keane, Mina, Holgate, Gomes and Dele, regulars in our first team.

Whether it's true or not, regarding Gordon wanting a move, we'll have to wait and see. I hope alle does go to Turkey and there rediscovers his world class talents and enthusiasm for the game.

I suppose we all have our opinions of the merits of keeping or selling Gordon; but as as far as I'm concerned, there's the great unknown future Gordon versus the current Gordon. As far as I can see He is not like Rooney who I think everyone in the football world could see he was special. I remember a certain Chairman saying he wouldn't sell him "even for £50 Million" I think he (a boyhood Evertonian) was sold for £20 million and a few bob more after certain milestones were reached.

He has not shown much vision in his passsing and crossing and seems (like Barkley did) to run into blind alleys. He doesn't seem to possess a good shot on him, which Gray has. He's enthusiastic and athletic. If he stays, he might develop those skills.

However, we're in desperate need of a clever midfielder who feed the forwards and we need a goaslscorer/centre-forward. That's the least we need. If our Manager and DoF see better options by selling Gordon, then I'd support them in their decisions.

It looks like we're in a hard place (yet again) So if our club can get around £40-45million for Gordon, I'd think it would be a massive help to get the players in to give us a good chance of avoiding relegation and move upwards, rather than be stuck in the relegation zone all season.

Christine Foster
768 Posted 17/08/2022 at 20:10:08
Like all things Everton, once again we are left to believe the club when they announce he is not for sale, then the leaks from unstated sources that it's the player who wants to leave.

Now let's try to be honest for a minute, this is easily put to bed by the club and player if it's just media speculation or a determined hands-off confirmation.

The reality is that the club has knocked back an offer but not slammed the door. The player, who loves the club with every thread of his being, sees this as being not a full-hearted desire to keep him, but a desire to use him.

Penny drops, not wanted, club spin it by saying the player wanted to leave ( how many supporters actually believe that?) Paints them in a better light than the player.

Orchestration by the club, not by the player. But is it good and sensible business? The answer depends on the outcome of any deal. If it's a swap for two or three Chelsea players who they wish to offload, I would say not.

I suspect this is actually what Chelsea hope. Straight cash gives the club a better option in searching out striking options but, will we ever see it?

Like the Arteta money, the Richarlison money seems to be heading to the same outcome, if Gordon does go, then the club will be up to £100M better off. Or at least the books will show that.

It would sit better with all of us if the players we do actually want to get rid of were gone as well, a true clear-out, before off-loading the few, very few, big-ticket players.

But the reality is £50M cash for Gordon is a good deal. But selling him for Chelsea players to the alleged value of £50M is not. Just another club trying to off-load its misfits or has-beens whilst bringing in homegrown talent.

One has to say this smacks of business rather than team building. Should he be sold without replacement, then Moshiri can truly be judged at the end of the transfer window. But replace with two good players, a striker and a playmaker, then it will have been deemed a good window. But time is shortening, the window is creaking shut and the panic buying starts.

No matter what the truth is with this club, the left hand doesn't appear to know what the right hand is doing, we need to get our act together because, if we don't, then this could spin totally out of control.

Kieran Kinsella
769 Posted 17/08/2022 at 20:18:44

Come Saturday, Gordon will probably be dropped and Frank will say he only picks people who want to play for the club.

Unbeknownst to him, the call he got was from Bill's mate Jimmy Krankie pretending to be Gordon while the real one is tied up in Kenwright's boot on the way to London.

Will Mabon
770 Posted 17/08/2022 at 20:24:18
Brian Murray
771 Posted 17/08/2022 at 20:36:36
That’s probably the long n short of it.
Ian Pilkington
772 Posted 17/08/2022 at 20:37:08
Matt Law, the Telegraph's Football News Correspondent (sic) for some years, has regularly proved to be an unreliable source and would be better suited to work for the Sun or the Star.

He is very much London biased and his “Gordon keen on Chelsea move” headline in today's paper is likely to be totally fabricated.

Meanwhile, on the same page Chris Bascombe, the paper's Merseyside Football Correspondent, despite being an RS (a friend who is an Anfield season ticket holder confirmed this to me some time ago), wrote a very positive column about Gordon, praising his skill, work rate and energy, closing with the comment “Everton will be hoping to channel that energy for some time to come”.

Bernie Quinn
773 Posted 17/08/2022 at 20:44:29
Excellent - Great post Christine at 768
Jim Lloyd
774 Posted 17/08/2022 at 20:55:34
Christine, The ones we want to get rid of are not going to leave us, are they? What club is going to fork out a transfer fee for any of them? Even if they leave for a free or on loan, we'd probably have to contribute to their wages.

I don't know what our finances are like, as far as buying good players go. If we want good players, we'll have to buy them, or perhaps get them on loan with a view to buy. But, as you say, they may only want to swap our player for ones they want to get rid of. Well, I'd hope that even this board wouldn't sanction such a duff deal (but! it is this board!)

I reckon though, that if the Manager and the DoF want to sell a player, they'll know who they want to go for, in return. There are plenty of posters on here who I respect who have pointed out Chelsea players they'd be happy to see at Goodison.

In the end we need more, better players. Of the saleable ones we have, assuming all this hoohah isn't just a press story, then I'd see getting £45 million or more for Gordon as being good business. If we keep him and see if he can learn to shoot, pass and cross, then we might have a £100 million player on our hands.

But we need good players now.

Brian Wilkinson
775 Posted 17/08/2022 at 21:11:16
My take on it is just my gut feeling and, bizarre as it may sound, I just cannot get the thought out of my head.

My take on it is we were looking to cash in on Calvert-Lewin, try to bring in a couple of strikers and midfield or two. With Calvert-Lewin picking up an injury, we now have to look for a Plan B to bring in the funds.

Now all the focus is around Gordon, Everton are denying this but I think Everton will sell Gordon, throw in the "he wanted to leave" and blame is then taken away from the club.

Now I know a few will say I'm mad for even suggesting Calvert-Lewin, but that is the way I am seeing it. It's all gone tits up, so now we need to look for another sellable asset.

Derek Taylor
776 Posted 17/08/2022 at 21:16:14
Now that Kenwright is back in the job he most likes – doing the deals – nothing can go wrong.

Or can it?

Jim Lloyd
777 Posted 17/08/2022 at 22:12:09
Brian, weren't Newcastle sniffing after Calvert-Lewin? I suppose that, as young players, they might want a bit of success, a bit of glory! So, if clubs are already fairly successful, similar to West Ham, and Leicester; and also teams in the Top 6 places come calling, it would be tempting.

That's what we face, the horrible truth is we've been struggling for years and they might want to look at World Cup and Champion League chances. let alone domestic and European club success.

I think, until (if!) we get rid of the financial shackles, it's going to be a hard job getting up to the middle ground. Let alone up to the dizzy heights of the Top 7 or Top 8.

Eddie Dunn
778 Posted 17/08/2022 at 22:13:40

You are making all my alarm bells ring in unison!

Brian Wilkinson
779 Posted 17/08/2022 at 22:18:24
Yes Jim, as far as I am aware, Newcastle we're about to put a bigger offer in for Calvert-Lewin, the injury put paid to another offer coming in.

All speculation of course, but my feeling is we would have let Calvert-Lewin go and Gordon would have stayed, now I fully expect Gordon to be sold.

If Chelsea are desperate, then our board need to be like Levy, fat chance of that, and say he is yours if Broja and Gallagher come the other way, no loans, straight swap.

Jim Lloyd
780 Posted 17/08/2022 at 22:30:53
Well, whoever our management team are after, it gives them some bargaining power if we have money to fund those players.

I'll have a ponder tomorrow, as I walk along the seafront from Liscard to New Brighton; and see how our ground's coming along!

Brian Wilkinson
781 Posted 17/08/2022 at 22:43:53
I would prefer to try and get some swaps in the deal. Once it is known we have money, every Tom, Dick and Harry's price will jump up. It will not be the first time we have had our kecks yanked down, over-paying on players.

If the Gordon sale allows us to bring a striker and midfielder in, then for me it is the right way to go, use the money wisely, if we cannot get any player exchanges.

Enjoy your walk tomorrow, Jim.

Jim Lloyd
782 Posted 17/08/2022 at 22:53:25
I'd prefer players if they're the ones we want. But at least we'll have the money to give us some independence of choice if we can't.

Cheers, Brian! Glad the buses are back on.

Oliver Molloy
783 Posted 17/08/2022 at 23:16:46
The more I think about it the more I am convinced that Gordon will be staying at Everton, this window anyway.

If he has a good season, it will add more millions on to his price tag, so let's hope he improves again.

Pete Clarke
784 Posted 17/08/2022 at 00:06:26
Whether Kenwright or Moshiri want this to happen is anybody's guess but my hope is that Frank Lampard comes out and makes a statement that he will not sell Anthony Gordon. I also hope the lad himself can end the silence by stating he does not want to leave. That's what I'd like to hear but of course the reality may be different.

Gordon is better than Gray, McNeil and Townsend and yet we want to get rid of him! He's a local lad, which in my eyes is massive, and along with Onana, Mykolenko, Patterson, Godfrey, Mills and Branthwaite, they should be looked on as the future of the club.

There's plenty of players and board members who we should be getting rid of before our best youngsters, or are we just going to continue this cycle of inferiority and malaise that the club has?

It just does not make sense that we bring in a very young and promising Onana and then bang on about needing money for a striker, so Gordon is then brought into the equation to balance things up financially.

Dele leaving will free us up on a big wage but there must be other players we can force out of the door before letting our best players go.

Brian Wilkinson
785 Posted 18/08/2022 at 00:27:43
No one wants our shit players on high wages, Peter, if only it was that easy to get some other mugs to buy them, I'd agree with you, but do not hold my breath big money coming in for the likes of Gomes etc.
Sean O’Hanlon
786 Posted 18/08/2022 at 04:15:57
Whether Gordon goes or stays, and if we do get players from Chelsea in exchange, do people actually think it will make any difference to the club?
We're a bloody joke. Just watch Forest rip us apart on Saturday.
Pete Clarke
787 Posted 18/08/2022 at 04:32:33

I too would not expect big money offers coming in for the likes of Gomes, Allan and Rondon etc but just getting them off the books on free transfers would be a bonus in my eyes.

I feel for Allan as he clearly does try hard and has a decent skill level but his legs are just not there. I'm also not sure why we didn't shift Mina during pre-season because he is at an age when he could attract offers albeit with his injury record those offers are likely to be high.

I suppose we'll find out soon what's going on with Gordon but it's pretty draining as a Blue that we are willing to let him go to a much better organized club whose manager sees enough in him to splash £45 million. It's not even big money these days anyway.

Will we be talking the same thing about Mills in 1 years time after he breaks into the team? It just does my head in.

Andrew Clare
790 Posted 18/08/2022 at 07:45:52
The Gordon saga is draining, especially as we are probably going to end up with two of their mediocre players in a swap deal plus a small amount of cash.

We shouldn't be selling Gordon. He's young, he's fast, skillful and he's an Evertonian. Plus he has got bags of enthusiasm – something that's lacking in many players.

Andrew Bentley
791 Posted 18/08/2022 at 08:06:03
Related to the Alli thread, but I've noticed that when ever you see clips of the players in training that Gordon is always with Dele and they seem to get on well. Just wondering how much the trading discussions on Dele may be playing a part for Gordon as well?

Anyone know who his agent is and who else may be influencing him at the moment as we underestimate the entourage of these players and how much those around them may play a part too…

Danny O’Neill
792 Posted 18/08/2022 at 08:36:01
If you watch the Tunnel Access YouTube footage after the Palace game Andrew, you'll note the Alli-Gordon bond. At one point, Alli comes and drags him away from the interviewers to get him back in the dressing room.
Andrew Clare
793 Posted 18/08/2022 at 08:44:06
Christine #768.

Unfortunately you are probably not far from the truth.
We must not sell Gordon for another club's rejects.

Rob Dolby
794 Posted 18/08/2022 at 08:48:41
Every player has his price at Everton.

Gordon has improved a lot in 12 months. The next steps for him are assists and goals.

If he moved to Chelsea he would be expected to deliver straight away, something he can't do now for us. This would lead to him being benched and sitting next to our previous diamond getting splinters up his arse.

His agent has a massive influence on proceedings. He could ruin a promising football career and make himself a multi-millionaire in the process. I wonder what he will choose for his player.

Have we signed a striker yet!!!

Brian Porter
795 Posted 18/08/2022 at 09:28:21
Rapidly losing the will to live… Having escaped relegation literally by the skin of our teeth, we appear to have a new strategy in our attempts to consolidate our place in the Premier League.

What is it? Simple... sell our best players without having equal or better replacements lined up, close our eyes and hope for the best.

We've already let our back-up strikers go out on loan and have unbelievably started the first two games of the season without a single, recognised striker in the team. Pure genius!!

The way the club is acting regarding our better players, anyone could be forgiven for thinking we had actually been relegated.

Now going for a lie down in a nice dark room.

Brian Murray
796 Posted 18/08/2022 at 09:31:12
Already been said but we are treated with the contempt we deserve by clubs and media. Offered apparently Gillmour and Batshuayi of goal as part of deal. Maybe just journos but try and act big, Blues.

Just cash deal and if we want any of theirs make sure it's Gallagher and or Broja separately. If it's a draw or defeat Saturday the pressure will be unbearable for the club and manager.

Danny O’Neill
797 Posted 18/08/2022 at 09:57:50
I know I'm being self-centred, Brian, but it will be unbearable for me. And potentially not knowing if I can get home or not!!

So it can't happen.

Did I imagine or did I read you criticising O'Neill on an earlier or other thread? Give me a chance, I'm only just polishing the Beckenbauer's in case I'm needed Saturday!!

See you in the Northwestern once I navigate my way, by hook or crook to the homeland.

Tony Everan
798 Posted 18/08/2022 at 09:59:04
Is this about right?

Chelsea want Gordon valued at about £50m

Frank wants Broja as no1 target this summer, valued at about £30m

If Gordon wants to go as spuriously rumoured and Broja wants to come here for a better opportunity to shine and to work with Frank, do the deal.

This will leave enough money towards getting his other main target Gibbs-White in.

Also we need Gana in before the Forest game. Forest will know the drill – pressure our midfield from the first whistle to spill the ball and attack fast whilst we are out of position- Gana and Onana will stabilise our midfield hopefully, but not guaranteed, from day one.

Then if we can do some sort of a deal to get Brereton Diaz in we'd be looking in better shape offensively with the necessary strength in depth for the season.

Fantasy time but Tom Davies needs games to reignite his career, he could do a job for Blackburn. How about him going the other way for a makeweight? If he does well, they could make money on that. Rondon would do a good job there too in that league. As, when the reinforcements come in, both of these players will see next to no game time.

Paul Birmingham
799 Posted 18/08/2022 at 10:04:56
The perspective as it looks in terms of what Everton's aspirations are this season is interesting.

If only this squad had a spread across the team of goals in them, but that is never gonna happen.

Some good business done this transfer window, but the securement of a couple of strikers is becoming a painful issue.

Outside in, it looks like Everton are approaching this season with a set handicap which, if not fixed, could anchor the club down in the Bottom 5 for the foreseeable, and every game is massive. Hope on the horizon, soon...

Forest is massive, a must-win. and it should be a great atmosphere from the onset and hopefully at full time.

The upcoming fixtures are tasty but tough, so this is a good opportunity. I'm hoping Tarkowski, Gordon, McNeil, and Gray, if selected, shoot on sight within 25 yards of goals, and Everton look for the spills and rebounds.


Brian Harrison
800 Posted 18/08/2022 at 10:28:35
I think Broja has been Lampard's first choice to replace Richarlison, and given that Chelsea agreed a fee of £30 million for Broja only for the deal to fall through because West Ham wouldn't meet his personal terms.

I can only assume that we didn't have the £30 million at the time hence couldn't bid for him. But now that Chelsea have made an offer for Gordon, there is no way they are going to sell or loan us Broja without them getting Gordon.

So I think Lampard has a tough decision to make does he sell Gordon to Chelsea and take Broja as part of the deal of does he hang on to Gordon and forget about Broja and look elsewhere.
Makes you wonder how deep this problem with FFP is and how long will this continue, also Moshiri still hasn't found an investor to help with the financing of the new stadium, which may have an even bigger impact on our transfer activity than FFP.

I just wish that the owner would be honest with the fans, and seeing the backing they got from the fans last season, we deserve some honesty. Come out and say things will be tight financially for this season and next season because of the stadium build and the FFP restrictions, and we hope the fans will understand and support the team and manager during this period.

The fans demonstrated how good they are last season with their unbelievable support which every player said was the difference in them not going down.

So just tell us the truth, we don't expect you to spell out exactly what our position regarding FFP and funding for the new stadium but at least tell us it's going to be hard to bring in the players the manager and the DOF want.

Sam Hoare
801 Posted 18/08/2022 at 14:13:16
Forest have bought Morgan Gibbs-White for £35m going up to £45m! That seems expensive to me though he's a decent player.

Good squad Forest are building now. Good chance of staying up if Cooper can get them to gel.

Michael Lynch
802 Posted 18/08/2022 at 14:31:37
£35M rising to £45M for a player who can't get into the wolves team. Does anyone still think we should sell Gordon to Chelsea for £45M?
Steve Shave
803 Posted 18/08/2022 at 14:31:44
Sam just saw that and was about to post the same (I think many of us are checking transfer news a little obsessively right now!).

Unbelievable figure to pay. I really like this player but I was bulking at £27M allegedly requested, £44M!!!! It puts Gordon's price up though IMO.

Brian Murray
804 Posted 18/08/2022 at 14:41:21
Forest overpaying for Gobbs-White but if he helps keep them up... where's our safety net this season? Bournemouth and maybe Saints?
Jay Harris
805 Posted 18/08/2022 at 14:53:09
That's crazy for Gibbs-White, who is yet to prove he can cut it in the Premier League.

I am very concerned about throwing more points away on Saturday as we are still pissing about with Gueye and showing no signs of getting at least one goalscorer in by Saturday.

Either FFP is more serious than we thought or bungling Bill is holding Frank to ransom over selling Gordon before he will sanction more spending.

What the fuck is going on at our once great club?

Rob Halligan
806 Posted 18/08/2022 at 14:58:45
The world's going mad. £45M for a headless chicken!

A bit like the other headless chicken Wolves have, Adama Traore, who went on loan to Barcelona and returned just as quick. Wolves must be laughing all the way to the bank with this one.

Mike Doyle
807 Posted 18/08/2022 at 15:06:18
Rob # 806,

Not sure if it's the world going mad or just Chelsea. As they've recently signed full-back Marc Cucurella from Brighton in a deal reportedly worth over £60m, £45m+ for Gordon looks a relative bargain!

Mark Boullé
808 Posted 18/08/2022 at 15:06:31
Oh well, another day goes by, still no incomings.
Forest sign Gibbs-White, Wolves get Nunes, Fulham target Maupay...

Everton - big, fat silence.

And we go into another game with no striker worthy of the name and no prospect of scoring a goal. Sigh...

Rob Halligan
809 Posted 18/08/2022 at 15:13:30
Mike, you’re probably right. Didn’t Chelsea offer Leicester about £60M or £70M for their defender Wesley Fofana, and Leicester turned it down, claiming he’s worth more. Unbelievable!!
Will Mabon
810 Posted 18/08/2022 at 15:25:41
Rob, and it's always been said, forwards cost more and earn more 'cos scoring is "The hardest job on the field"...
Danny O’Neill
811 Posted 18/08/2022 at 15:55:09
Is it not Forest who had already spent a ridiculous amount of money before this one?
Sam Hoare
812 Posted 18/08/2022 at 16:05:01
Wolves showing the way by securing Guedes and Nunes (2 excellent players) before selling Gibbs-White for a good chunk (though I hear now it's only £25m up front).

The trouble is there just aren't that many good strikers out there. We're not going to find a Lukaku, I don't think.

Hopefully Chelsea get Aubemeyang signed up soon as then they are more likely to sell or loan us Broja. Otherwise I'd be happy enough with Guirassy who looks a handful or Joao Pedro (who Newcastle are close to signing – they are spending their money better than we spent ours!!)

Clive Rogers
813 Posted 18/08/2022 at 16:20:22
BBC are reporting the Gibbs-White deal is £25M plus up to £17M add-ons.
Will Mabon
814 Posted 18/08/2022 at 16:34:45
Clive - so up to 42 mil?

This is going all 2016 if true.

Eddie - Phonealdo also cautioned by the cops for tossing that kid's mobile phone. Apparently the FA are still considering the case.

Rob Dolby
819 Posted 18/08/2022 at 17:19:33
Sam @812. There are thousands of strikers out there. We pay scouts, European scouts, agents, DoF and a manager to find them.

There are hundreds of league's globally that have the next Lukaku waiting to be bought.

We need to start playing a numbers game with the smaller clubs to find them instead of looking at the so-called bigger clubs' cast-offs.

Harry Kane only got his break because Soldado was shite. Vardy non league. Haaland was offered around as a 16-year-old. Tony lower league, Watkins and Ings lower league. Strikers are out there.

It's professional neglect that we haven't got strikers chomping at the bit waiting to get a go.

2 months after selling a striker we have bought 3 midfielders. What is going on?

Tony Twist
820 Posted 18/08/2022 at 17:27:55
Where's the friggin centre forward, Everton? He should be playing for us against Forest.

Negligence, forget about Gana and Dele, we need a centre-forward now, not when the window closes, now.

Should have been Simms, we could have enjoyed his scoring purple patch, not Sunderland, then loan him out to them.

Pete Neilson
821 Posted 18/08/2022 at 17:54:46
Rob (819) I completely agree. Estimated to be 130k pro players worldwide. Maybe on Saturday the board will send Thelwell and his team into the pubs off County Road asking for advice on who we should sign or at least for us to keep an eye out.

At least the mañana attitude before the first two games has gone as we realise the ineptitude of the club continues, strategic review or not.

Sam Hoare
822 Posted 18/08/2022 at 17:59:12
Rob @819, you'll notice I said “good” strikers. Of course our scouts will know about hundreds but they can't just create a ready, affordable and available talent, who's set to hit the ground running and score us consistent goals. Unless you know of one? Feel free to suggest names!

It's not that easy and a lot of the obvious targets have been linked with us and shot down by many fans. Plus better teams than us are looking for strikers. Plucking the next Haaland is not simple or else everyone would have done it!

There are options but all contain a risk both on the pitch and in financial terms. I've no doubt we will end the window with at least one if not two new forwards but making what precious resources we have stretch as far as possible is not easy. I'm not a patient guy and I'd rather we'd have secured someone earlier but it's not always a case of just clicking your fingers as much as we'd like it to be.

Pete Neilson
823 Posted 18/08/2022 at 18:01:17
The likes of Todd Boehly at Chelsea realise that the TV rights as they are is chicken feed compared to what the clubs can make directly or in smaller syndicates. He has his eye on where Chelsea will be in 5-10 years time. So at the moment invest and speculate to accumulate.
Joe Digney
824 Posted 18/08/2022 at 18:10:57
Whispers of a 3rd bid is imminent. Closer to 55 million.
Soren Moyer
825 Posted 18/08/2022 at 18:31:41
Still no strikers! It appears the club has written off the first 7-8 games until dcl returns!! Its madness, We are a joke club!
Kim Vivian
826 Posted 18/08/2022 at 18:51:32
I do not have any "in the know" information feed so have been religiously following various threads and breaking news stories in the hope of hearing something concrete, and not Chinese whispers, regarding our search for a striker. I am less concerned about how much we can get for Gordon which seems to be the main debate than I am about filling his and Richie's (and in the shorter term DCL's shoes).

I appreciate that we likely need the revenue from the sale of Gordon to make significant signings but if he leaves and we leave too little time to land a striker (or 2) of some worth in this window the sheer utter incompetence of the club hierarchy, and it's failure to learn the lessons after Lukaku's departure will leave me bereft of hope - for the season and the club to be honest.

I will never sway away from Everton but will feel pretty resigned about our fate this season. I cling on to the hope that if we do fail to recruit then Gordon will remain, at least until the mid-season window (however that will work with the Mickey Mouse World Cup messing everything up). However if Gordon does depart leaving us without time to nail down a viable attacking threat, we're toast - woefully short of goals based on recent evidence.

Oh the irony if Rondon, our only striker, somehow became some sort of wierd saving grace.

Nurse - me meds. !!

Raymond Fox
827 Posted 18/08/2022 at 18:55:17
Its early doors to start panicking, our defence looks pretty solid, and Onana can be a threat from midfield going off the short time he played at Villa.
Against Forest we need to get the ball in their penalty area never mind all this, to me to you play, lets get at them.
Play Rondon up front, get crosses in and put them under pressure.
Now, what the hell is going on with this Gordon business and now Dele looks like leaving does make for an uncertain environment, not what you want early in the season.

I think nevertheless we will scape a win on Saturday, our supporters are going to be right up for this game.

Andy Meighan
828 Posted 18/08/2022 at 18:55:25
Brian 820. I reckon they'll reduce it to a one game ban
They've got injuries you know.
Andrew Keatley
829 Posted 18/08/2022 at 18:59:33
Kim (828) - Moshiri invited fans to judge him at the end of the transfer window. If we have sold Anthony Gordon and not at least bought a striker or two for a large chunk of the Gordon transfer fee - as well as securing one or two more loan signings - then Moshiri is going to face the wrath of the entire fan-base. I cannot see him letting that happen, so we should all expect some signings.
Kim Vivian
830 Posted 18/08/2022 at 19:13:46
I agree, Andrew, pitchforks won't even begin to describe it. Trouble is, the longer it seems to drag on the more it seems (to me) that it will be out of his/our hands given the length of time we like to take over negotiations. Sure, there are numerous names getting bandied about and we don't really know what's serious and what's agent/media BS, but Thelwell and Frank must be working their small ones off to get something over the line. Of that I am confident. The board? - not so much.

With 2 weeks to go , (from tonight), and 4 matches to play in that time, and a visit from Beelzebub just two days later, I tell you - I don't know about Moshiri - but I'm feeling the heat.

Brian Murray
831 Posted 18/08/2022 at 19:18:16
Sell gordon or not we need two credible strikers not a stopgap until a crock is back. We act as if we are bolton wanderers. Four mobile front men challenging each other.
Clive Rogers
832 Posted 18/08/2022 at 19:21:49
Andrew, 831, that’s why he has stopped going to games. The wrath of the fans is diluted by the time it gets to Monaco.
Brian Wilkinson
833 Posted 18/08/2022 at 19:23:35
How ironic, rail strike Saturday, yet Everton cannot find a striker.

Still no luck getting you a lift Danny.

Clive Rogers
834 Posted 18/08/2022 at 19:30:58
Danny, 811, unbelievably Forest have now signed 16 players and spent £150M this window.
Rob Dolby
835 Posted 18/08/2022 at 19:48:01
Sam 824. It's obviously not easy to unearth the next Ronaldo but at the same time we are making recruiting a striker look increasingly harder than it should be for a football club of our size.

We have 4 strikers out on loan that arguable should be here to get a chance. We are linked with Joe average prem players like Adams and Mauphey.

We have been without competition in that area for a couple of seasons now. It's not just a Lampard or Thelwell issue.

Goals win games and this whole squad are devoid of them.

Dale Self
836 Posted 18/08/2022 at 19:48:55
Keep the faith! It is a largely shitty situation due to the numbskulls up top but the new DoF appears to be running his desk well against the odds. Frank isn't making noises and so must feel some confidence that we will get a useful striker. That we have not made a bad deal yet is a very very good sign for turning things around and only then can we hope to get rid of some others. We wouldn't have the squad for a future European qualification so we were just looking to rebuild this year. We are one good move away from that and while it remains elusive everyone involved needs it to happen so keep optimistic that the shirts can work it out.
Brian Murray
837 Posted 18/08/2022 at 19:56:52
Clive post 834. Moshiri if worried about fan backlash should grow a thicker skin like his mate who doesn’t even give a shite what division we are in as long as he’s there at bmd cutting the ribbon.
Sam Hoare
838 Posted 18/08/2022 at 19:56:54
Rob@837, Chelsea have been looking for a striker and not yet landed one. Sometimes it takes patience to land your top target (probably we are waiting for Chelsea to get Aubemeyang in the hope we can get Broja). It’s difficult to judge till the end of the window but I believe/hope that Thelwell and Lampard have a more solid plan than some of their predecessors, though as I said there simply aren’t that many available top level strikers out there. Perhaps we could have gone for someone like Scammaca but none of us know the financial shackles that Thelwell is operating under.

None of the 4 strikers we have out on loan have yet proved themselves up to the standard of Che Adams and Neal Maupay I’m afraid.

Joe McMahon
839 Posted 18/08/2022 at 19:59:23
Rob at @837 its more than a couple of seasons. Lukaku left over 5 year ago, and we didn't have quality strikers before he arrived. Everyones fave Moyes last 2 seasons top scorers were Fellaini 11, and Jelavic 9. It's pitiful. Everton don't do goals.

We have not been entertained since Robertos first season, before that Joe Royle in 95 & 96.

Rob Jones
840 Posted 18/08/2022 at 20:05:11
We're toast. The promoted clubs look good, and the shit clubs last season have strengthened.

Except us and Southampton. We've gone backwards.

We're competing for 19th.

Mike Gaynes
841 Posted 18/08/2022 at 20:15:37
Sam #824, I'll suggest three names from this side of the pond -- top scorers in a decent league whose clubs are not going to make the MLS playoffs, and who therefore should be available on loan at least (a la Landon Donovan).

Raul Ruidiaz, Seattle -- 5'7" Peruvian is an MLS and Mexican League legend at 32. Absolute goal machine -- more than a goal every two games in both leagues. Definitely worth a loan gamble if a recent hamstring problem has healed.

Jeremy Ebobisse -- big, fast, age 25 from Cameroon, 14 goals for a horrible San Jose club.

Brandon Vazquez, Cincinnati -- newest candidate for the US striker position in Qatar. 15 goals at age 23.

Brian Murray
842 Posted 18/08/2022 at 20:24:09
Mike, Think i’d like another pepsi max than one of your joe max 😂. Although mcbride not the worst striker we have had.
Dale Self
843 Posted 18/08/2022 at 20:25:55
Gueye has agreed personal terms with Everton according to L'Equipe via ESPN transfer talk . yay!
Duncan McDine
844 Posted 18/08/2022 at 20:39:21
Brian and Mike - Joe Max Moore (how do you like it, how do you like it) was one of the funniest songs to hear at the game. Surely the best US talent will be heading to Elland Rd, but hopefully our valued US based fans won’t be jumping ship anytime soon!

Dale - hope you’re right mate.

Dale Self
845 Posted 18/08/2022 at 20:40:54
Well, I haven't seen something go into the memory hole in some time but that Gueye story vanished from the ESPN transfer talk in a hurry. A protesting call from his agent? Fuckin' weird maaan.

Obviously not as reliable as your Whisky recommendations, Duncan.

Colin Glassar
846 Posted 18/08/2022 at 20:43:46
Again, Dale? How many times have we heard that before?
Dale Self
847 Posted 18/08/2022 at 20:45:20
Is that the sound of someone handing me my coat? I'll try and get it together Sire.
Sam Hoare
848 Posted 18/08/2022 at 21:00:46
Mike@843, can’t say I’ve heard much about any of them! Thelwell obviously knows the MSL pretty well, I guess he’d make a move if he thought there was an opportunity.
Danny O’Neill
849 Posted 18/08/2022 at 21:01:30
Rob @842, loving the vibes. It must be why I don't care how I get there Saturday, let alone how I get back. What will you do when we win??
Kieran Kinsella
850 Posted 18/08/2022 at 21:06:00

Yesterday The Bobble posted about Gueye almost being done and us buying Sarr from Watford. But by this morning both had gone

Shane Corcoran
851 Posted 18/08/2022 at 21:12:44
Kieran, are you sure The Bobble mentioned Sarr?

I get notified of his tweets and didn’t get that one.

Peter Mills
852 Posted 18/08/2022 at 21:13:15
Presumably Gibbs-White will make his Forest debut on Saturday.

Who are they playing?

Kieran Kinsella
853 Posted 18/08/2022 at 21:13:30

Unless it was a fake, people were sharing screenshots of it

Dave Abrahams
854 Posted 18/08/2022 at 21:19:23
Danny (851), yes I know we all feel a bit deflated with the lack of a new striker for Saturdays game but I think we will win this game and the striker/s will definitely come before the end of the transfer window, not ideal I know but better later than not at all.
Dale Self
855 Posted 18/08/2022 at 21:19:55
Yeah Kieran, this has been one of the weirder windows. I could've been amused by the big clubs' frustrations but we're so deep in uncertainty I can't be bothered with their well-funded soap operas
Rob Jones
857 Posted 18/08/2022 at 21:23:54
Danny, I admire your optimism. You're one of my favourite posters on here. Truly.

But it's hard to feel anything but crushing despair, watching every club strengthen, while our inept board hamstring any efforts made by management to progress.

What will I do if we win? Be surprised. Smile. And know that we'll need twelve more.

Kieran Kinsella
858 Posted 18/08/2022 at 21:24:22
Dave Abrahams,

I'm not so sure. The Daily Star today has an interview with a man named Orrin who claims to be a Cyborg time traveller from the year 2050 AD. He has shared all kinds of insights into the future but he didn't say a word about Everton signing a striker.

Ed Prytherch
859 Posted 18/08/2022 at 21:27:01
Only one game I know, but Sarr sucked in the Watford game last weekend.
Bill Gall
860 Posted 18/08/2022 at 21:28:27
It may sound easy to just go out and buy a player in a specialized position like a striker.
Every manager in a league is hired to get results and when someone comes in for 1 of his players he has to see how it affects his team and how he can replace him. This is the problem Everton are having, they either cant buy a teams first striker or even afford them, and teams don't want to sell their backup as it leaves them short.
Comments that we don't have a recognized striker is being unfair on Rondon who has been a striker most of his career.
Yes when he came he was overweight, unfit and lacked match practice and should never have been played, but that was the managers decision.
Most comments on the team before playing Villa, was why is Rondon not starting, but it seems that Lampard thought with the players he had, we did not need a recognized striker, and that never worked.
I am in no way saying Rondon is the answer but until we get someone else he is a striker, that is just being assessed on his performances from last season, he does keep the central defender occupied, and needs marking in free kicks allowing goal scoring opportunities.

Danny O’Neill
861 Posted 18/08/2022 at 21:31:43
I can feel your optimism building Rob. That's more like it!!

I get the frustration, we've had over 30 years of it.

Let's get the win on Saturday and then the striker(s) in.

Keep believing. Its all I have.

Rob Jones
862 Posted 18/08/2022 at 21:32:10
Problem is, we had three more strikers last week. None of them exceptional, but Simms, at least, should have been given a chance. Instead, we loaned them out, and then Lampard didn't even bother using the only one we had left.

Maybe they're not ready. But every fucking one of them could play No 9 better than Anthony Gordon.

Brian Murray
863 Posted 18/08/2022 at 21:34:25
Kieran post 860. Walt disney entombed in ice. Does he mention any theatrical person coming back the same way. If so il cash my chips now.
Dale Self
864 Posted 18/08/2022 at 21:34:31
Good news, we've just signed Paul Stratton!
Rob Jones
865 Posted 18/08/2022 at 21:35:28
Danny, I was dumb enough to predict a win against a largely toothless Chelsea...
Rob Halligan
866 Posted 18/08/2022 at 21:43:35
Ross Barkley back on the radar!
Mike Gaynes
867 Posted 18/08/2022 at 21:48:59
Rob H., that radar must be tuned to pick up UFOs.

Unidentifiable Footballing Outcast.

Rob Halligan
868 Posted 18/08/2022 at 21:55:10
What about Adnan Janazaj, Mike, he’s also back on the radar.
Kieran Kinsella
869 Posted 18/08/2022 at 22:02:09

Hopefully the radar of a HIMARS missile

Tony Everan
870 Posted 18/08/2022 at 22:02:40
The radar needs fine tuning or a few bangs on the top of the set, sounds like it’s on the blink.
Keith Harrison
871 Posted 18/08/2022 at 22:08:11
Radar from M.A.S.H. would be a good US striker signing for us right now.

Apparently we were waiting for PSG to give us Gueye for free too, so that move is "off" again.

We're doomed, Captain Mainwaring, doomed!!

Rob Halligan
872 Posted 18/08/2022 at 22:08:26

Scary, isn’t it!

Andy Crooks
873 Posted 18/08/2022 at 22:08:41
Sam @838, our loaned strikers seem to be doing alright. We do not know if they can offer more than Maupay or Adams. We rely on Lampard's judgement of what he sees in training. In my view that has never been reliable; some players train shit and some coaches, many coaches in fact appear to have closed minds and are easily duped.
Most coaches get sacked and I'd say that missing what is under their nose is a pretty unheralded, but important, reason.
Frank's team selection, tactics and substitutions have been poor this season, the results confirm it. Who can say that he has got it right by loaning out young strikers and playing without a striker. He might be wrong, you know.
Andy Crooks
874 Posted 18/08/2022 at 22:10:20
Nice one, Mike G!
Sam Hoare
875 Posted 18/08/2022 at 22:29:50
Andy@873 if Simms or Broadhead can score 22 in 46 games like Che Adams did at Birmingham or 25 in 43 like Maupay did for Brentford then they will have earned a shot at the PL. Until that happens I don’t think there’s enough evidence to suggest they are even on a par with let alone better than the likes of Maupay or Adams.

I love giving young kids a chance, it’s always exciting, but they have to have deserved it. I’ve watched a fair bit of Simms in the U23s and I’ve seldom been convinced he’d cut it in the PL. He improved at Hearts last year and hopefully he will again at Sunderland but he’s better served by scoring goals there than sitting on our bench.

Dale Self
876 Posted 18/08/2022 at 22:33:07
Well, at least Forest aren't getting everyone they are throwing money at, Aouar will not be signing for them after Lyon upped the fee when terms were already agreed with the player. Kind of confirms what I thought of Lyon's management.
Neil Copeland
877 Posted 18/08/2022 at 22:37:27
Dale, unbelievable that a French club would try and screw an English one at the 11th hour…..
Sam Hoare
878 Posted 18/08/2022 at 22:42:08
Andy@873, also meant to say that Lampard could well be wrong, I’m not his biggest fan by a long shot. I suspect in the case of Simms/Broadhead/Dobbin though he may be right. None of them are better than Gordon/Gray/DCL yet and are better served getting real game time hopefully away from Goodison than being 2nd or 3rd or 4th backup.
Brian Murray
879 Posted 18/08/2022 at 22:47:39
Sam. I see you left out rondon in that equation. Therein lies the problem. Simms at the very least would of been a far better option than him.
Dale Self
880 Posted 18/08/2022 at 22:53:29
Fear the Frog until the papers are signed Neil, fear the frog.
Neil Copeland
881 Posted 18/08/2022 at 22:59:26
Dale, they love us really
Sam Hoare
882 Posted 18/08/2022 at 23:16:43
Brian@879, honestly I think Rondon and Simms are probably of a similar-ish ability currently. No doubt a fit Rondon would score goals in Scotland or the Championship.

I’m not sure either is what Frank is looking for currently.

Mike Gaynes
883 Posted 18/08/2022 at 23:19:32
Rob #872, yeah, just posted on the Januzaj thread about that. I won't exactly lie awake nights if it doesn't happen, but I still think he would be a more-than-adequate replacement as the right-footed left winger until Townsend comes back. Januzaj can really pick a pass, if we ever sign someone for him to pass to.
Brian Wilkinson
884 Posted 18/08/2022 at 23:43:58
Jim I have been watching a few of the u.s.a league games and to be honest, there have been some very good games I’ve seen, plenty of high tempo and the game has improved a lot since many years ago.

Not often you get a goalless draw or the odd goal win, usually plenty of goals.

They are hard working and end to end stuff, that would be the market I would look into, worked well for us in the past, the game has come on leaps and bounds over the years so must be some players we could take a closer look at.

Lester Yip
885 Posted 19/08/2022 at 01:00:17
Interesting article.

If Lampard is following the same logic, the stats of players are not as important but the overall contribution to the team. Gordon presses hard, helping out in defense, perhaps in a way that the manager has not asked for. He loves to win and gives everything in a game. Sounds crazy. But maybe that's desire is what's lack in this top level when everyone is trying to get one more goal or assist on their own account, saving energy only when moments count, counting how much bonus they can get if they got that goal etc. And the purest desire to play has lost.

Ant Dwyer
886 Posted 19/08/2022 at 01:31:04
Plenty of players at Chelsea if Gordon wants off, many of them would score more this season than Gordon imo.

Broja is massive, he has to be in the deal, but just imagine we got Gallagher or Hudson-Adoi involved in a deal and we only had to part with £10m.

We would be hugely improved with a deal like the above.

Brian Murray
891 Posted 19/08/2022 at 15:27:03
Dave a At least with scargill we would have some kind of striker ( Quite pertinent comment over tomorrows opponents) not getting too political
Jay Harris
892 Posted 19/08/2022 at 15:33:04
Brian even more concerning than that he kept going on about the fact Dominic will be back in a few weeks and he would not be drawn on whether Gordon and/or himself would be here at the end of the window. A very worrying press conference.
Raymond Fox
893 Posted 19/08/2022 at 15:35:29
I think players get pigeoned holed into one position too often, is it asking too much for them to be more versatile.

You know a so called midfielder to beat someone- heaven forbid - shoot and score a goal.

The goal is 24ft wide for gods sake, problem is our lot cant get close enough to shoot.

Brian Murray
894 Posted 19/08/2022 at 15:44:27
Don’t really give a flying over gordon or any modern day player, Om an evertonian and Frank screams mike walker or naive to me although has paul clement and cole next to him. . As I said maybe he was caught on his heels over that question. Seems quite willing to give up 12 points or at least gamble with them until dcl is back. We are one hell of a unique club il say that.
Raymond Fox
895 Posted 19/08/2022 at 16:14:23
Why is it troubling, we don't know what deal we might get from Chelsea, Gordon might have said he wants to leave, we don't know.
When Lampard says he might not be here, he's saying who knows football is so unpredictable, but its tongue in cheek.
Tony Hill
896 Posted 19/08/2022 at 16:20:49
I don’t think so, Raymond. It was a very odd thing for him to say especially with reference to the window closing. His manner was very subdued I thought.

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