Dele Alli completes loan move to Besiktas

Anyways, can't understand why Dele doesn't wanna give it a real go here at Everton. Maybe he tried. Things don't always go as you imagined.

If he had played better here, he would have got more game time. The fact is, for whatever reason, he chose to just go through the motions.

Personally I doubt he'll do any better there than he did here. He'll just end up warming their bench instead of ours. He needs to get his head right.

It's a good move for him as he gets his huge wages paid and perhaps another shot at recapturing his form. I suspect he will be getting paid buttons in the MLS in a few years.

I think there is a risk in not insisting on a permanent deal here. What if he bombs in Turkey? Then we will struggle to loan him again for anywhere near his full salary. I'd personally get shot for £6M, pay Spurs £2M of that and move on. Shame.

I think you're spot on. He reportedly said he didn't really want to go to Turkey but he needs more playing time.

I think if he was stronger he may have already thrown in the towel. I get the feeling he is now just bluffing by and generating money. Perhaps for others more than himself. Can't perform, can't walk away.

If he couldnt put the effort in, though, this is the end result. I don't get that part of it, it's pathetic he couldnt be bothered.

I don't think Turkey will suit him either.

I think your speculations about the player are probably spot on. Perhaps he still has World Cup dreams.

However, I would guess that, if we could have gotten a permanent deal, we would have. The loan may be the best business we can do at this point.

I don't think it would have been the outgoing manager.

I don't think it was the incoming manager.

Interference by a non-footballing person / Chairman getting hosed over a glass of Champagne in a London theatre by a more astute north London football club owner? Thinking he knows a thing or two about a player?

Brings his magic beans back to Goodison.

I don't want to sound bitter but what a ridiculous transfer this will potentially turn out to have been.

I actually think this may yet turn out to be good business, whoever was responsible. There's a world-class player in there somewhere, with the capacity to transform our attack, and I think it was a good gamble that was flip-a-coin to work out.

Sadly, it didn't. But it hasn't cost us anything but his salary, at least not yet, and he could restore his market value with a good season in Turkey.

And he did have that one huge contribution.

If he's half as good as some on here believe him to be then he should do well in Turkey, getting lots of game time. Playing off Wout Weghorst should suit him and if he can bag 10 goals and a few assists then I reckon either Besiktas or someone else will pay the reported £7M transfer fee.

Whilst not reading too much into the Fleetwood game, it does appear they have some promising youngsters and some of the older non-active players will have to be sifted out.

It's a shame Dele isn't rated by Lampard but much like Walcott, he doesn't seem to cut the mustard so to speak.

The same can be said for Gbamin and certainly most of us are not impressed by Rondon.

They cannot let Gordon go without a serious replacement to slot in right away and get this team going in the right direction.

The next two games are crucial and any slip-ups will plant us firmly in the Bottom 3.

Didn't work out, but it was still a worthwhile gamble, IMO.

Hope he does well in Turkey though he will find it strange there. It's a lot different now when players retire with their Football League pensions. Good luck to him with his issues, if reports are correct.

Turning up to Everton for training in a Rolls-Royce makes you wonder where his head was at.

Hopefully that concludes our addiction to Lazarus players because resurrections hardly figure in togger.

I think we are still looking back at our two greatest "Lazarus players" – Gray and Reid. Sadly, those days are gone. Everyone is looking for them and we are the easiest gulled.

You can but dream. Good luck to the boy.

The kid has oodles of talent. I think his head needs to get right, and he needs to be in the right environment on the right team. Frank just didn't play him. Whether that's down to Everton not wanting to pay the extra money, or Frank didn't rate him, it doesn't really matter. Dele needs to move on and find a good place for himself.

I wish him luck. He played a part – a pretty key part – in our survival and in my opinion he should leave on good terms and no-one should really speak ill of him or his time here, ever.

As for him, we have no idea of the full situation. I wish him the best, on and off the pitch. Be kind everyone.

I've never read such an emotional bunch of American tripe in my life. He turned up unfit, out of condition and well off the pace. And he leaves in the same way, yet no doubt with a boot full of cash in the Rolls-Royce.

He was a great player. I don't know what has happened to put out the fire, but the guy is finished. The first three games told you that.

I am not saying a big thanks to him or Michael Keane. They were players who contributed precious little of note. I'd rather say thanks to true players that ran through brick walls.

We ain't privy to why Lampard has overlooked him. Perhaps he is a poor trainer or Frank was told to keep those appearances down. Who knows? But any player needs games under his belt to show his best and Dele hasn't had them.

As for the "American" stuff – Jamie is not overly emotional, in my opinion.

I was at the Palace game and he transformed us in the second half. Without him replacing Gomes, we would have been down. End of.

He was a true player once and I will always be grateful to him.

He always gave me the impression he was doing us a favour by being here. Nothing against the lad per se but glad to see the back of him and take them prolific midfielders with you. Gomes, Allan and Davies.

Couldn't score in a barrel full of fannies. Sorry for the crude pun.

I don’t think he’s been given a fair crack tbh, he would have been a better option up front for quite a few of the minutes in our 3 games so far, given what we have had playing up there.

That's why he's only gone on loan. Not sold as such. In time, if he can overcome his demons, then he could be useful moving forward.

One game Ali. The stuff of modern-day Everton Legends.

Oh how far we've sunk

Not sure where all this He Kept Us In The Premier League stuff is coming from. The Palace game was a great result, but we escaped relegation by four points and would have stayed up even if we had lost.

I didn't ever even come close to likening Dele Alli with any savior role.

Dude, what did you read to make you come to that conclusion?

Either re-read, or go pick a fight with a fucking mirror.

Jesus above, you're just making shit up man. Emotional American tripe? How? The kid's got talent. He's not in the right environment. Move him on. Thanks a fucking ton for running down the ball in the corner, we really needed it. By doing so I won't talk shit about you.

Seems pretty fair to me?

I dunno, Ian, seems you and a fuck-ton of others on TW just pounce on the Yanks for kicks. I say take that approach and stick it in your ear.

Correct, regarding Dele Alli, he has played for 4 managers in the last few years and he has failed to impress.

He is doing the right thing by moving down to play at a lower level of football. Maybe getting to start games every week will inspire him to rescue his career.

What message does it send if you got a guy coasting in training but getting a game at the weekend?
Frank obviously would've liked a Dele of a few years ago in the team, we all would, but that player hasn't turned up enough.

People can say he never played enough but, when he has played, he hasn't justified or earned a decent run in the team.

We should wish him well.

As I have said before, the lad could still be at Tottenham warming the bench and getting his wages, he could've said No to the move and stayed on our bench and picking up his £100k a week. He should be applauded for not being happy not playing, unlike many in our squad who are clinging to their fat contracts, knowing they are getting nowhere near the team.

Respect to the lad!

He was never going to play 20 games in season 21-22, as he was cup tied and there weren't enough games left in the season. So the reason he wasn't picked is because he looked bloody awful.

Who's fault was that? Lampard, Conte, Mourinho, Epiritu Santo? Sorry, this on Alli.

It is sad that he's the shadow of the player he was. Whether that's injury, mental health, or off-field, that is pretty sad. But he, Dele Alli, failed to rekindle his career. If anyone was going to bring it to life, it was the best attacking English midfielder of his generation in Lampard.

Thanking him for running down the wing? Are you soft. He's a professional footballer for goodness sake. That's the bear minimum you should expect. He did precious little of it in the previous appearances, so getting giddy over 30 seconds is a joke. If he had contributed something in the previous 15 games, we wouldn't have been looking down the barrel against Palace.

Frankly, I could give a monkey's what nationality you are. But let's call it right, Alli was a gamble and the lad flopped big style. We won't look back on his time with a smile. That's reserved for players that deserve it.

Is that fair? Opinions will differ but he won't have any difficulty filling the tank on his Roller for many years to come whilst others graft to achieve of their best and still struggle to fuel their old Fiesta.

Disappointment? Yes.

Sympathy? Absolutely not.

And he failed.

Various news reports suggest that we have to subsidise part of his 6 Digits Weekly Salary to dump him to Turkey: On paper, it is painful. But from an "Additions via Subtractions" point of view, it is necessary. Any penny saved on his salary is a Win plus getting rid of his laissez-faire attitude from the dressing room is a must for Frank, especially as we have Welch, Warrington & Mills around.

The last thing that those trio need is a bad role model like Dele, as much as a cautionary tale that he serves for the youngsters.

I think a lot of Premier League players may still have Pensions with the Football League in Preston. Dele AlIi in particular since he started out with MK Dons, formerly Wimbledon, in Milton Keynes very young, being a local lad. There is also the Professional Players Association Pension Fund as well

it was the Clubs that broke away to form the Premier League when the Premier League was formed, not the players. But the Football League still provide Pensions to existing Premier League players. Also, many players played originally in the Football League.

The Football League is the oldest Football League in the World and the Pension Fund is long established. My friend's daughter-in-law is an administrator for the Pension Fund in Preston.

I do get where you are coming from. There are a good few at Everton working the system for sure. Quite a few of us feel that footballers live in a parallel universe, that bears no reality to our own. Dele Alli turned up to his first training session at Finch Farm in his Rolls-Royce.

Good posts and I only saw Dele play well in that Palace game.

Obviously Lampard sees Dele the same as Conte and Mourinho.

All good points but I was just being silly. You said 'penisons' instead of pensions in the first post.

Instead, he had to sit and watch dross like Rondon, Gray, Iwobi, Davies and the hugely overrated Gordon get game time ahead of him. No wonder he wants out

Give your head a wobble. He’s been head and shoulders above just about everyone for months.

We could have a team of Doucoures, all running around but unable to play a killer pass. Duncan McKenzie springs to mind... James Rodriguez etc.

Was bringing him to Everton still a risk worth taking if, as it seems, we're paying £2.5M for him not to play for us this season?

Hopefully McNeil doesn't turn out to be another poor choice.

Dele should have been given a run of games and so should Simms or Broadhead – you need the chance to prove you are worthy of a place in the starting line-up.

Club is a fuckin shambles beyond a joke and Lampard is in danger of getting sucked in.

Whatever the merits of Gary's comments, Iwobi has been one of our best performers.

It is totally maddening, yet another Premier League game upcoming where we will be desperately underpowered and almost certainly lose to a fired-up Brentford team who have, ya know, signed players in time for the season. And then only two days to integrate anybody we do sign before having to face the Shite on 3rd September...

It's pointless speculating why we can't sign players in the position we actually need - upfront - before deadline day, but I am just so sick of the way EFC is run, or rather, not run...!! I don't doubt there will be incomings, but it will be down to the wire as ever.

Seriously though, whenever Everton make contact with any club regarding recruiting one of their players, I bet the respective boardrooms can't wait to open negotiations. We're like the beautiful yet extremely gullible girl at the local disco; say the right combination of words and anything goes!!!

I wish I could switch off.

Will be on the WiFi on the plane to the States, claiming that I'm working.

When the family go to the parks and it coincides with an Everton match, I will feign illness.

You can't switch off from Everton.

Worrying times given hard fixtures yet to kick in.

Which I am prone to do.

But it just shows how well players are set, which they have a contract or a transfer fee is paid for them.

If Dele going means a chance of some minutes for Warrington or Mills, I'm happy.

Slightly odd though that the two big shirt marketing ploys we made were for Dele and Gordon, both are halfway out the door!

This dithering in the transfer market is like watching a re-run of Twelve Angry Men. Come on, Everton, get moving.

Yet Frank thought that bringing him to Everton would do the trick. Was never going to happen.

Let's hope Frank learns (quickly) from this debacle.

Someone said Iwobi is dross?? He was in the past for sure but not anymore, he is by far our best player!

The player has been given chances on his past reputation but has failed to give any consistent resemblance of it.

Lampard seems to believe in the younger players in the club and I prefer to see them given a chance, rather than to a player who does not seem to appreciate the opportunity he was given.

But ultimately, I think the backroom staff didn't see the effort in training (just like Mourhino) so started to give up on him and, with large chunks of money looming for Spurs, reached a decision to jettison him.

He was a terrible signing but had that one moment against Liverpool where I think he set up Gosling (?) for a last-gasp winner. Great moment... but, like Alli, it was a brief, expensive one-off.

Kiss goodbye to option to buy – not a chance will a Turkish club buy, probably ask to loan him again next season, or send him back if we say No.

Has there ever been a more pointless trio of signings than Dele, El Ghazi and Donny van de Beek?

Might not have been our most expensive set of errors, but what a fucking waste of time.

I hope he can find the football in Turkey just has style. Good luck to him, and I think it was worth a try.

If anyone had any brains at Goodison Park, they should contact both the Portuguese clubs and ask one of them to sign him and we will give them Gomes, Allan and Rondon in exchange. That would be like being smacked in the face with a wet flounder from British Waters for the French tosser.

Everton still paying so this loan is damage-limitation – and in 10 months, what do we do?

He is finished, sadly. It will end badly for the boy unfortunately.

When, oh when, oh when do we get a striker???

And for fuck's sake, how often have we been in this striker-less situation? It feels like a perennial problem for us!

So we need to look elsewhere for the cause of this latest recruitment debacle. Maybe the strategic review will report back.

"Everton will get a £1.86m (€2.2m) loan fee, and Besiktas will pay just £8,430 (€10,000) of Alli's wages per game."

Peter #73, Frank and Dele joined the club the same day, so that was pretty certain already.

That's another £50k off the wage bill – we might have enough to bring in the striker to turn our season around.

What has happened to Everton to become such a pathetic, non-competing club! I absolutely hate Kenwright for what he has done to us.

Roughly that equates to them effectively paying 60% of his wages but I imagine they structured the upfront part to either help short-term cashflow or because they don't trust Besiktas to keep paying him once they see how he is playing.

“Besiktas are deemed in the ‘final stage' of wrapping up the move and a ‘handshake' agreement will reportedly result in Alli netting an annual salary of €2.25M.

That works out at approximately just £36,500-a-week – a salary far below what Alli would have expected at age 26 when he once had the footballing world at his feet.

If Besiktas do take up the option to buy after the loan period, a three-year deal will be signed”

It seems he was on a 3-year deal at Everton on £100k pw, so things don't add up.

Who signed him? Looking at some of the comments, it wasn't Lampard.

The bigger picture, our 4th Premier League game on Saturday, Leeds on Tuesday, and still no striker in.

An absolute joke, we're throwing away points, which we badly need, and looking at Rondon at Fleetwood, embarrassing. Are we waiting on the Gordon money?

Yes it does appear to be obvious but some seem to be accusing Frank of making him part of some sort of strange BOGOF deal that's failed.

In the pre-match press conference last week Lampard "clearly said he didn't know" Dele Alli? I seriously doubt that.

Time to start closing deals for incoming players.

The club and fans never seem to learn our addiction to this sort of deal defies logic surely. Buying failures from Man Utd, Spurs et al has been proven to be a load of cack.

Tap Watford's phones and see who they're after. They have this novel idea of picking up unknowns for peanuts to sell on at a whopping profit. Crazy, I know – but we have to remove the financial shackles of the new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock somehow.

Presumably he will get a fair amount of game time in Turkey and he needs to do well there. If he does, it will be a move that suits all parties.

And thank you for that second half against Palace... that game will live with me for the rest of my days!!!

Good shout. I like the look of this lad for the reasons you've stated. Something (s) need to happen sharpish.

Good luck to Dele. I was lucky enough to attend the Palace match. He played a big part. I'm still recovering.

Link

Watch from 12.45.

We'll still be paying £2.5M of his wages for this season when presumably Besiktas will say thanks but no and Alli will be back with us next May, and we'll be scratching around for another loan deal.

He's only on loan with an option to buy. If his performances there are anything like at Everton and recently Spurs, then he'll be back at Finch Farm next summer.

Interesting re the €6M vs €8M – this is basically the difference in his wages for half a season. If it makes no financial difference to Besiktas to buy in January or June, I can't see why they would trigger it in January. Ali's not going to take a wage cut...

So we only have an extra £50k/week for one season, guaranteed.

Gana can leave PSG on a free other than Everton?
We are an absolute joke!

Deadline day, here we come again!!!

Thanks for the link and especially taking the trouble to pinpoint the relevant time Frank made his comments on Dele Alli.

Obviously if Peter had made it clear that Frank had said he "didn't know Dele personally" I wouldn't have queried his interpretation of the statement.

On the broader picture, however, there's nothing I heard in that interview to suggest that Lampard wasn't involved in the decision to bring Dele Alli in. In fact he seems to suggest he was.

I bet they all know exactly how to play him. Well done, Bill, another cracking deal gone South.

30 plus years of misery under his stewardship I don't doubt he loves Everton but he is so self-deluded that he can't see past the end of his nose.

This club goes nowhere until he is gone. Same old shit, year-in & year-out, and we just fucking take it, year-in & year-out. Until he cuts the ribbon for the new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock, we are stuck with the clown.

I very much doubt Lampard was simply informed on arrival about Dele, with it not being mentioned in job discussions beforehand, even if he had no initial involvement.

As ever, we're always left to guess.

Although some posters would have us believe that Lampard turned up for work on his first day armed only with his lunchbox and proof of his coaching qualifications only to be blind-sided (in a good way) by the unexpected news of additions to the squad.

Having said that, Gordon will have had his head turned and so it is only a matter of time before he moves. S,o that being said, we will then need 3 new strikers to take the place of Richarlison and Gordon, and to sub for Calvert-Lewin when injured.

Maupay is not the answer and we should leave well alone. I think we should try to bring in Diaz from Blackburn, Broja on loan from Chelsea, and try to buy Pedro from Watford.

If we could also get Gueye and Kudus and maybe Garner that would be a great end to the transfer window. I know I am dreaming but who knows??

Taking a chance on top-class players who have lost their way is precisely where we have been for a few years now (and will likely be for at least a few more).
We are a club that has to gamble that we can resurrect a few careers because we just can't afford world class players in their prime.

What do people want the club to do? Not bother unless it is a guaranteed sure thing? No player we can currently afford / attract comes with anything like that sort of guarantee.

Your statement "We are a club that has to gamble that we can resurrect a few careers because we just can't afford world class players in their prime." makes sense in a vacuum but not in any practicality.

From Ginola, Hughes and Gasgoine to Eto'o to James and Alli ,we've wasted much of our limited resources topping up pension pots for players who were – with few honourable exceptions – well and truly past it.

"What do people want the club to do?". Robert Tressell, Sam Hoare and other posters have often stated what we should do. Buy up-and-coming players, scout talent, invest in youth and build the club from the bottom up.

It's not the best option available to us if we want to get back to where we feel we belong. It is in fact the only one.

My alarm bells flagged when Harry Redknapp spoke out around March time (I think). He clearly has connections with Tottenham and also is Lampard's uncle, so must have known something.

Mourinho tried tough love and also must have spotted concerns.

I tried defending the player, but he needs to sort his head out.

Must have done okay...