Dele Alli completes loan move to Besiktas

25/08/2022 114comments  |  Jump to last

One of Everton's more protracted transfer plots of the summer has been resolved with Dele Alli flying to Turkey last night to complete his loan move to Besiktas.

The 25-year-old looked set to join the Turkish side a week ago but after days mulling the move over while the two clubs hammered out an initial loan deal with an option to make it permanent, either in January or the summer, the transfer has now been completed.

Sky Sports and David Ornstein of The Athletic reported that Dele was expected to arrive in Istanbul on Wednesday night in the hope of completing the formalities of his switch from Goodison Park before the weekend and he duly arrived to a hero's welcome from a few hundred fans.

He underwent a successful medical this morning and was confirmed as a Besiktas player, with Everton agreeing to loan him for the season free of charge and with a commitment to pay half of his reported £100,000-a-week salary.

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Besiktas have an option to make the deal permanent in January for €6m or next summer for €8m. 

Dele, a deadline-day capture from Tottenham in January, is believed to be keen to get regular game time, something he isn't currently getting at Everton under Frank Lampard.

To date, the former England international has made just one start for the Blues, that in the dead rubber against Arsenal on the final day of last season, just days after his transformative appearance off the bench in Everton's all -important come-from-behind victory over Crystal Palace.


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Minik Hansen
1 Posted 24/08/2022 at 17:52:25
I hope it's a good deal for Everton.

Anyways, can't understand why Dele doesn't wanna give it a real go here at Everton. Maybe he tried. Things don't always go as you imagined.

Frank Crewe
2 Posted 24/08/2022 at 18:03:29
Says he "is believed to be keen to get regular game time".

If he had played better here, he would have got more game time. The fact is, for whatever reason, he chose to just go through the motions.

Personally I doubt he'll do any better there than he did here. He'll just end up warming their bench instead of ours. He needs to get his head right.

Steve Shave
3 Posted 24/08/2022 at 18:04:20
I didn't read it that way Minik, I think he wants to be here but we've taken a look at him and told him straight that he isn't offering enough to pay the £10M so we won't be giving him games.

It's a good move for him as he gets his huge wages paid and perhaps another shot at recapturing his form. I suspect he will be getting paid buttons in the MLS in a few years.

I think there is a risk in not insisting on a permanent deal here. What if he bombs in Turkey? Then we will struggle to loan him again for anywhere near his full salary. I'd personally get shot for £6M, pay Spurs £2M of that and move on. Shame.

Minik Hansen
4 Posted 24/08/2022 at 18:06:52
Steve, I see. Good business if it's done.
Jay Harris
5 Posted 24/08/2022 at 18:15:11

I think you're spot on. He reportedly said he didn't really want to go to Turkey but he needs more playing time.

Will Mabon
6 Posted 24/08/2022 at 18:25:12
It's pretty much all said in these first posts. A real waste. If he can't give himself over to someone close and really work with them, it's doomed and the spiral will continue.

I think if he was stronger he may have already thrown in the towel. I get the feeling he is now just bluffing by and generating money. Perhaps for others more than himself. Can't perform, can't walk away.

Raymond Fox
7 Posted 24/08/2022 at 18:32:14
Shame we couldn't use him because he has that skill to unlock defences, something we lack.

If he couldnt put the effort in, though, this is the end result. I don't get that part of it, it's pathetic he couldnt be bothered.

I don't think Turkey will suit him either.

Mike Gaynes
8 Posted 24/08/2022 at 18:33:47
Steve #3,

I think your speculations about the player are probably spot on. Perhaps he still has World Cup dreams.

However, I would guess that, if we could have gotten a permanent deal, we would have. The loan may be the best business we can do at this point.

Danny O’Neill
9 Posted 24/08/2022 at 18:33:48
Who actually signed Alli?

I don't think it would have been the outgoing manager.

I don't think it was the incoming manager.

Interference by a non-footballing person / Chairman getting hosed over a glass of Champagne in a London theatre by a more astute north London football club owner? Thinking he knows a thing or two about a player?

Brings his magic beans back to Goodison.

I don't want to sound bitter but what a ridiculous transfer this will potentially turn out to have been.

Mike Gaynes
10 Posted 24/08/2022 at 18:40:11
Danny #9,

I actually think this may yet turn out to be good business, whoever was responsible. There's a world-class player in there somewhere, with the capacity to transform our attack, and I think it was a good gamble that was flip-a-coin to work out.

Sadly, it didn't. But it hasn't cost us anything but his salary, at least not yet, and he could restore his market value with a good season in Turkey.

And he did have that one huge contribution.

Sam Hoare
11 Posted 24/08/2022 at 18:43:02
Seems a sensible deal where all parties are potentially getting a shot at what they want. I'm sure,if there had been a permanent deal on the table, we'd have taken one, it speaks volumes that no-one else wanted him.

If he's half as good as some on here believe him to be then he should do well in Turkey, getting lots of game time. Playing off Wout Weghorst should suit him and if he can bag 10 goals and a few assists then I reckon either Besiktas or someone else will pay the reported £7M transfer fee.

Tom Bowers
12 Posted 24/08/2022 at 19:11:51
Everton have much excess baggage it seems especially the midfield/wide type of players.

Whilst not reading too much into the Fleetwood game, it does appear they have some promising youngsters and some of the older non-active players will have to be sifted out.

It's a shame Dele isn't rated by Lampard but much like Walcott, he doesn't seem to cut the mustard so to speak.

The same can be said for Gbamin and certainly most of us are not impressed by Rondon.

They cannot let Gordon go without a serious replacement to slot in right away and get this team going in the right direction.

The next two games are crucial and any slip-ups will plant us firmly in the Bottom 3.

Bill Gienapp
13 Posted 24/08/2022 at 19:26:03
Too bad. I held out hope a fresh start could help reignite his career and we'd benefit from his obvious talent, even if he never hit the same heights as his Spurs glory days.

Didn't work out, but it was still a worthwhile gamble, IMO.

Jerome Shields
14 Posted 24/08/2022 at 19:43:14
I really don't know the details of the Spurs deal. But he must not have impressed enough in training, since that is where the selection decisions are made.

Hope he does well in Turkey though he will find it strange there. It's a lot different now when players retire with their Football League pensions. Good luck to him with his issues, if reports are correct.

Turning up to Everton for training in a Rolls-Royce makes you wonder where his head was at.

Barry Rathbone
15 Posted 24/08/2022 at 19:47:15
He hasn't done anything for years and was as desperate an acquisition as any under Moshiri. Unsurprisingly he's shipping out to a footballing backwater to get a game indicating everyone else in the Premier League knew he was dead except us.

Hopefully that concludes our addiction to Lazarus players because resurrections hardly figure in togger.

Brian Murray
16 Posted 24/08/2022 at 20:02:36
From Day One, he disrespected us even about our Finch Farm gym. He should've looked in the boardroom if he wanted proper dumbbells.
Andy Crooks
17 Posted 24/08/2022 at 20:12:31
Barry, unfortunately desperate gambles is where we are and Dele was not that bad a throw of the dice.

I think we are still looking back at our two greatest "Lazarus players" – Gray and Reid. Sadly, those days are gone. Everyone is looking for them and we are the easiest gulled.

David West
18 Posted 24/08/2022 at 20:24:51
Andy 17 agree. Was well worth a shot. If we got half the Dele from 3 years ago, he'd be our best player. Let's just hope this gets him off our books.
Robert Tressell
19 Posted 24/08/2022 at 20:39:42
We've had a few football league penisons in our first XI, Jerome #14. Good typo!
Mark Ryan
20 Posted 24/08/2022 at 20:47:27
It would be great if he managed to overcome his issues and get back firing. Age-wise he's potentially not peaked yet and how cool would it be to have him back in the fold next season and back to the Dele of old?

You can but dream. Good luck to the boy.

Jamie Crowley
21 Posted 24/08/2022 at 20:48:54
He chased that ball down in the right hand corner of the pitch. Without that, we're going down.

The kid has oodles of talent. I think his head needs to get right, and he needs to be in the right environment on the right team. Frank just didn't play him. Whether that's down to Everton not wanting to pay the extra money, or Frank didn't rate him, it doesn't really matter. Dele needs to move on and find a good place for himself.

I wish him luck. He played a part – a pretty key part – in our survival and in my opinion he should leave on good terms and no-one should really speak ill of him or his time here, ever.

Julian Wait
22 Posted 24/08/2022 at 20:53:18
Jamie @21 - 100% with you here. I have nothing but thanks for having Dele Alli for that game. History took a turn in those moments.

As for him, we have no idea of the full situation. I wish him the best, on and off the pitch. Be kind everyone.

Ian Bennett
23 Posted 24/08/2022 at 21:08:05
Jamie 21 - mate he ran once in 6 months. A great saviour? Do me a favour.

I've never read such an emotional bunch of American tripe in my life. He turned up unfit, out of condition and well off the pace. And he leaves in the same way, yet no doubt with a boot full of cash in the Rolls-Royce.

He was a great player. I don't know what has happened to put out the fire, but the guy is finished. The first three games told you that.

I am not saying a big thanks to him or Michael Keane. They were players who contributed precious little of note. I'd rather say thanks to true players that ran through brick walls.

Eddie Dunn
24 Posted 24/08/2022 at 21:19:52
Ian, you are totally wrong there. Jamie is correct on the importance of Dele's role in that game.

We ain't privy to why Lampard has overlooked him. Perhaps he is a poor trainer or Frank was told to keep those appearances down. Who knows? But any player needs games under his belt to show his best and Dele hasn't had them.

As for the "American" stuff – Jamie is not overly emotional, in my opinion.

Larry O'Hara
25 Posted 24/08/2022 at 21:21:27
Ian (23),

I was at the Palace game and he transformed us in the second half. Without him replacing Gomes, we would have been down. End of.

He was a true player once and I will always be grateful to him.

Andy Meighan
26 Posted 24/08/2022 at 21:26:46
Ian 23. Well said. Pure American claptrap. I like the yanks but Alli played no part in our survival whatsoever, had a decent second half against Palace no more no less.

He always gave me the impression he was doing us a favour by being here. Nothing against the lad per se but glad to see the back of him and take them prolific midfielders with you. Gomes, Allan and Davies.

Couldn't score in a barrel full of fannies. Sorry for the crude pun.

Jeff Armstrong
27 Posted 24/08/2022 at 21:29:44
His 45 minutes against Palace was, pound for pound, a decent investment in terms of potential lost revenue.

I don’t think he’s been given a fair crack tbh, he would have been a better option up front for quite a few of the minutes in our 3 games so far, given what we have had playing up there.

Mark Ryan
28 Posted 24/08/2022 at 21:36:09
I strongly suspect the refusal to pick him more often was all about the deal. The devil in the detail of the deal meant we actually could not afford to use him much.

That's why he's only gone on loan. Not sold as such. In time, if he can overcome his demons, then he could be useful moving forward.

Chris Hockenhull
29 Posted 24/08/2022 at 21:36:53
22…. Yeah…

One game Ali. The stuff of modern-day Everton Legends.

Oh how far we've sunk

Gerry Morrison
30 Posted 24/08/2022 at 21:37:04
Jose Mourinho said he found Dele Alli's brother, not Dele Alli, when he got to Spurs. He's no mug.

Not sure where all this He Kept Us In The Premier League stuff is coming from. The Palace game was a great result, but we escaped relegation by four points and would have stayed up even if we had lost.

Jamie Crowley
31 Posted 24/08/2022 at 21:42:39

I didn't ever even come close to likening Dele Alli with any savior role.

Dude, what did you read to make you come to that conclusion?

Either re-read, or go pick a fight with a fucking mirror.

Jesus above, you're just making shit up man. Emotional American tripe? How? The kid's got talent. He's not in the right environment. Move him on. Thanks a fucking ton for running down the ball in the corner, we really needed it. By doing so I won't talk shit about you.

Seems pretty fair to me?

I dunno, Ian, seems you and a fuck-ton of others on TW just pounce on the Yanks for kicks. I say take that approach and stick it in your ear.

David Currie
32 Posted 24/08/2022 at 21:54:15
Gerry 30,

Correct, regarding Dele Alli, he has played for 4 managers in the last few years and he has failed to impress.

He is doing the right thing by moving down to play at a lower level of football. Maybe getting to start games every week will inspire him to rescue his career.

David West
33 Posted 24/08/2022 at 22:04:52
Amie 21,

Yes, he had 1 decent 45 mins in what? 9 months?
Doesn't justify £100,000 a week. Grateful that he played his part in the Palace game but the lad's clearly not doing the business in training, day-in & day out.

What message does it send if you got a guy coasting in training but getting a game at the weekend?
Frank obviously would've liked a Dele of a few years ago in the team, we all would, but that player hasn't turned up enough.

People can say he never played enough but, when he has played, he hasn't justified or earned a decent run in the team.

We should wish him well.

As I have said before, the lad could still be at Tottenham warming the bench and getting his wages, he could've said No to the move and stayed on our bench and picking up his £100k a week. He should be applauded for not being happy not playing, unlike many in our squad who are clinging to their fat contracts, knowing they are getting nowhere near the team.

Respect to the lad!

Ian Bennett
34 Posted 24/08/2022 at 23:10:34
Can we put this shit to bed.

He was never going to play 20 games in season 21-22, as he was cup tied and there weren't enough games left in the season. So the reason he wasn't picked is because he looked bloody awful.

Who's fault was that? Lampard, Conte, Mourinho, Epiritu Santo? Sorry, this on Alli.

It is sad that he's the shadow of the player he was. Whether that's injury, mental health, or off-field, that is pretty sad. But he, Dele Alli, failed to rekindle his career. If anyone was going to bring it to life, it was the best attacking English midfielder of his generation in Lampard.

Thanking him for running down the wing? Are you soft. He's a professional footballer for goodness sake. That's the bear minimum you should expect. He did precious little of it in the previous appearances, so getting giddy over 30 seconds is a joke. If he had contributed something in the previous 15 games, we wouldn't have been looking down the barrel against Palace.

Frankly, I could give a monkey's what nationality you are. But let's call it right, Alli was a gamble and the lad flopped big style. We won't look back on his time with a smile. That's reserved for players that deserve it.

Neil Lawson
35 Posted 24/08/2022 at 23:14:23
Will he be missed? No.
Whose fault is that? His own.
How wealthy is he? Very.

Is that fair? Opinions will differ but he won't have any difficulty filling the tank on his Roller for many years to come whilst others graft to achieve of their best and still struggle to fuel their old Fiesta.

Disappointment? Yes.

Sympathy? Absolutely not.

Dupont Koo
36 Posted 25/08/2022 at 02:20:53
The moment that Frank didn't start him for the Chelsea game became the writing on the wall: 6 months at the club plus a full and healthy pre-season were more than enough for him to prove and redeem himself.

And he failed.

Various news reports suggest that we have to subsidise part of his 6 Digits Weekly Salary to dump him to Turkey: On paper, it is painful. But from an "Additions via Subtractions" point of view, it is necessary. Any penny saved on his salary is a Win plus getting rid of his laissez-faire attitude from the dressing room is a must for Frank, especially as we have Welch, Warrington & Mills around.

The last thing that those trio need is a bad role model like Dele, as much as a cautionary tale that he serves for the youngsters.

Jerome Shields
37 Posted 25/08/2022 at 04:17:14
Robert #16

I think a lot of Premier League players may still have Pensions with the Football League in Preston. Dele AlIi in particular since he started out with MK Dons, formerly Wimbledon, in Milton Keynes very young, being a local lad. There is also the Professional Players Association Pension Fund as well

it was the Clubs that broke away to form the Premier League when the Premier League was formed, not the players. But the Football League still provide Pensions to existing Premier League players. Also, many players played originally in the Football League.

The Football League is the oldest Football League in the World and the Pension Fund is long established. My friend's daughter-in-law is an administrator for the Pension Fund in Preston.

I do get where you are coming from. There are a good few at Everton working the system for sure. Quite a few of us feel that footballers live in a parallel universe, that bears no reality to our own. Dele Alli turned up to his first training session at Finch Farm in his Rolls-Royce.

David Currie
38 Posted 25/08/2022 at 04:41:05
Ian @34 & Neil @35,

Good posts and I only saw Dele play well in that Palace game.

Obviously Lampard sees Dele the same as Conte and Mourinho.

Robert Tressell
39 Posted 25/08/2022 at 07:40:00
Jerome #37.

All good points but I was just being silly. You said 'penisons' instead of pensions in the first post.

Gary Carter
40 Posted 25/08/2022 at 08:33:20
Criminal mismanagement by Lampard, I'm afraid, Dele should have been given a start for the first 5/6 games of this season to see if it re-ignites him – that's the only way to see if the old Dele is still in there.

Instead, he had to sit and watch dross like Rondon, Gray, Iwobi, Davies and the hugely overrated Gordon get game time ahead of him. No wonder he wants out

Ray Roche
41 Posted 25/08/2022 at 08:56:32
Iwobi? Dross?

Give your head a wobble. He’s been head and shoulders above just about everyone for months.

Eddie Dunn
42 Posted 25/08/2022 at 10:10:33
There have been plenty of top players who were lousy trainers.

We could have a team of Doucoures, all running around but unable to play a killer pass. Duncan McKenzie springs to mind... James Rodriguez etc.

Michael Lynch
43 Posted 25/08/2022 at 11:10:11
El Bobble reckons it's done, and we're paying half his wages for the season. No loan fee.

Was bringing him to Everton still a risk worth taking if, as it seems, we're paying £2.5M for him not to play for us this season?

Pat Kelly
44 Posted 25/08/2022 at 12:26:17
Lampard and Thelwell got this badly wrong. Still paying half his salary plus what he's been paid already. It was always a gamble given his recent history.

Hopefully McNeil doesn't turn out to be another poor choice.

Mike Hayes
45 Posted 25/08/2022 at 12:27:39
I agree with Gary Carter – the amount of times the players have underperformed and yet get picked the next game.

Dele should have been given a run of games and so should Simms or Broadhead – you need the chance to prove you are worthy of a place in the starting line-up.

Club is a fuckin shambles beyond a joke and Lampard is in danger of getting sucked in.

Ray Roche
46 Posted 25/08/2022 at 12:56:37
Mike, you can't say Iwobi has ‘underperformed' for months.

Whatever the merits of Gary's comments, Iwobi has been one of our best performers.

Habib Erkan Jr
47 Posted 25/08/2022 at 13:04:53
If it is true that too much clubbing was his downfall, Instanbul is not the place to find the straight and narrow. Wish him the best.
Mark Boullé
48 Posted 25/08/2022 at 13:06:35
I have now switched off from transfer news until next Wednesday, having reluctantly accepted that, as usual and for whatever stupid reasons (saving wages, waiting for the Sky money, Teary Bill loving the last minute drama of it all...??) there will simply be no incomings before then. Outgoings like Alli yes, but nobody in.

It is totally maddening, yet another Premier League game upcoming where we will be desperately underpowered and almost certainly lose to a fired-up Brentford team who have, ya know, signed players in time for the season. And then only two days to integrate anybody we do sign before having to face the Shite on 3rd September...

It's pointless speculating why we can't sign players in the position we actually need - upfront - before deadline day, but I am just so sick of the way EFC is run, or rather, not run...!! I don't doubt there will be incomings, but it will be down to the wire as ever.

Steve Croston
49 Posted 25/08/2022 at 13:24:24
I see that Besiktas have already sent him on a secondary loan to a local feeder team. Good luck at Kebab FC Dele!

Seriously though, whenever Everton make contact with any club regarding recruiting one of their players, I bet the respective boardrooms can't wait to open negotiations. We're like the beautiful yet extremely gullible girl at the local disco; say the right combination of words and anything goes!!!

Leighton Cooper
50 Posted 25/08/2022 at 13:25:26
"Option to make the deal permanent", that means he will be back in a few months.
Danny O’Neill
51 Posted 25/08/2022 at 13:28:27
Mark, I fly out on holiday on Saturday.

I wish I could switch off.

Will be on the WiFi on the plane to the States, claiming that I'm working.

When the family go to the parks and it coincides with an Everton match, I will feign illness.

You can't switch off from Everton.

Ian Bennett
52 Posted 25/08/2022 at 13:31:01
Looks like same squad minus Alli for Saturday...

Worrying times given hard fixtures yet to kick in.

Jerome Shields
53 Posted 25/08/2022 at 13:33:06
Robert #39,

Which I am prone to do.

But it just shows how well players are set, which they have a contract or a transfer fee is paid for them.

Robert Leigh
54 Posted 25/08/2022 at 13:35:18
Was worth the risk in my opinion, but hasn't worked out.

If Dele going means a chance of some minutes for Warrington or Mills, I'm happy.

Slightly odd though that the two big shirt marketing ploys we made were for Dele and Gordon, both are halfway out the door!

Colin Malone
55 Posted 25/08/2022 at 13:37:37
Never mind Dele. Going into our fourth Premier league game and still no movement to get a forward in.

This dithering in the transfer market is like watching a re-run of Twelve Angry Men. Come on, Everton, get moving.

Brendan McLaughlin
56 Posted 25/08/2022 at 14:20:24
The Dele Alli move was a bad decision by Lampard. Alli had gone off the boil and a succession of managers at high-flying Spurs couldn't get him back on track.

Yet Frank thought that bringing him to Everton would do the trick. Was never going to happen.

Let's hope Frank learns (quickly) from this debacle.

Brian Murray
57 Posted 25/08/2022 at 14:22:53
It's like it's 1:45 am and Peter Beardsley is hovering on the side of the dance floor seeing if any rich pickings are left to club and drag out by the hair.
Duncan McDine
58 Posted 25/08/2022 at 14:31:31
Brian 57, that is both funny and true!
Iakovos Iasonidis
59 Posted 25/08/2022 at 15:29:41
I really believe he could offer something to the team, he needed to play games but obviously because of his contract we didn't want to give him that. I prefer a committed Alli than £5 or 6 mil.

Someone said Iwobi is dross?? He was in the past for sure but not anymore, he is by far our best player!

Bill Gall
60 Posted 25/08/2022 at 15:45:02
I don't believe that Alli offered enough on the appearances he made to keep, and this is a good move for the club.

The player has been given chances on his past reputation but has failed to give any consistent resemblance of it.

Lampard seems to believe in the younger players in the club and I prefer to see them given a chance, rather than to a player who does not seem to appreciate the opportunity he was given.

Jay Harris
61 Posted 25/08/2022 at 15:53:45
Lampard had 24 hours to make a decision on Dele Alli. It's fair to say the majority of supporters thought he had been dealt a rough hand at Spurs and, with an arm around his shoulder, would soon be up to his old form.

But ultimately, I think the backroom staff didn't see the effort in training (just like Mourhino) so started to give up on him and, with large chunks of money looming for Spurs, reached a decision to jettison him.

Kieran Kinsella
62 Posted 25/08/2022 at 15:58:24
His Palace cameo performance reminds me of another gamble signing we made: Andy van der Meyde. Remember him?

He was a terrible signing but had that one moment against Liverpool where I think he set up Gosling (?) for a last-gasp winner. Great moment... but, like Alli, it was a brief, expensive one-off.

Brian Wilkinson
63 Posted 25/08/2022 at 16:36:06
Well, by all accounts, as good as done and dusted, Everton to pay half his wages, no loan fee. Besiktas option to buy...

Kiss goodbye to option to buy – not a chance will a Turkish club buy, probably ask to loan him again next season, or send him back if we say No.

Habib Erkan Jr
64 Posted 25/08/2022 at 16:47:18
Kiran @62 nail on the head though the shift Dele put in had far greater significance in as much as he contributed to the comeback that kept us up!
Mike Gaynes
65 Posted 25/08/2022 at 17:18:39
The club has just made this official.
Jeff Armstrong
66 Posted 25/08/2022 at 17:33:26
Looks like we’re paying 90% of his wages.
Michael Lynch
67 Posted 25/08/2022 at 17:42:51
If that little flurry of signings at the end of the last window is any indication of what to expect next week, we're as good as relegated.

Has there ever been a more pointless trio of signings than Dele, El Ghazi and Donny van de Beek?

Might not have been our most expensive set of errors, but what a fucking waste of time.

Annika Herbert
68 Posted 25/08/2022 at 17:45:05
According to Sky, we are getting £1.9 million as a loan fee.
Jim Lloyd
69 Posted 25/08/2022 at 17:47:04
His signing might have been worth a gamble, on the basis that we had a get-out clause. The lad's undoubtedly got a football brain but, for whatever reason, the flame appears to have died. Well, maybe flickers now and then.

I hope he can find the football in Turkey just has style. Good luck to him, and I think it was worth a try.

Len Hawkins
70 Posted 25/08/2022 at 17:47:35
I read that the PSG Head of Transfers has said Gueye can go free to two Portuguese teams who enquired about him but if he wants to come to Everton he expects a fee. I don't have much time for the French but this has dropped another couple of notches towards hatred with these actions.

If anyone had any brains at Goodison Park, they should contact both the Portuguese clubs and ask one of them to sign him and we will give them Gomes, Allan and Rondon in exchange. That would be like being smacked in the face with a wet flounder from British Waters for the French tosser.

Andrew Merrick
71 Posted 25/08/2022 at 17:51:41
Spurs the only winner here.

Everton still paying so this loan is damage-limitation – and in 10 months, what do we do?

Allan Board
72 Posted 25/08/2022 at 17:55:17
Mourinho called him a "lazy fucker" to his face and he laughed.

He is finished, sadly. It will end badly for the boy unfortunately.

Richard Lyons
73 Posted 25/08/2022 at 17:59:29
Was he given a fair chance to prove himself? I suppose the "proof of the pudding" was what he was showing in training, and that can't have given the manager enough confidence.

When, oh when, oh when do we get a striker???

And for fuck's sake, how often have we been in this striker-less situation? It feels like a perennial problem for us!

Peter Neilson
74 Posted 25/08/2022 at 17:59:32
Frank made it clear in his pre-match interview last week that he wasn't responsible for the signing of Dele, he clearly said he didn't know him. So not Frank, not a Benitez-like player and Thelwell wasn't yet on board.

So we need to look elsewhere for the cause of this latest recruitment debacle. Maybe the strategic review will report back.

Mike Gaynes
75 Posted 25/08/2022 at 18:00:20
Odd arrangement, per Sky Sports:

"Everton will get a £1.86m (€2.2m) loan fee, and Besiktas will pay just £8,430 (€10,000) of Alli's wages per game."

Peter #73, Frank and Dele joined the club the same day, so that was pretty certain already.

Geoff Lambert
76 Posted 25/08/2022 at 18:00:40
He still had signs of what he was capable of in his feet and his head, but his heart is not in it anymore. I hope he does really well in Turkey – the better he performs, the better for us in the long run.

That's another £50k off the wage bill – we might have enough to bring in the striker to turn our season around.

Joe McMahon
77 Posted 25/08/2022 at 18:04:20
Len, maybe it's coz many football clubs around the world know that Everton can financially be fucked. Such as the deal with Spurs for Alli, the pathetic fee for Richarlison, and a gassed-out Rooney coming back to Everton for £160k per week. Oh yes, and James on £200k per week to sit on his private jet when an Everton match is on.

What has happened to Everton to become such a pathetic, non-competing club! I absolutely hate Kenwright for what he has done to us.

Sean Roe
78 Posted 25/08/2022 at 18:04:25
Despite his obvious ability that exceeds everybody else in the squad, if he trains badly and still gets into the first eleven based on just his ability to turn a match, what sort of example does that show to the rest of the squad?
Kieran Kinsella
79 Posted 25/08/2022 at 18:04:42

Roughly that equates to them effectively paying 60% of his wages but I imagine they structured the upfront part to either help short-term cashflow or because they don't trust Besiktas to keep paying him once they see how he is playing.

Brent Stephens
80 Posted 25/08/2022 at 18:05:19
Not sure I’d fancy moving there myself but hopefully a Turkish Dele-ght for him.
Tony Everan
81 Posted 25/08/2022 at 18:09:58
Also seen this, so is he taking some kind of a pay cut so he can play football rather than just rot because the decision has been made we will not be paying the 10m first fee?

“Besiktas are deemed in the ‘final stage' of wrapping up the move and a ‘handshake' agreement will reportedly result in Alli netting an annual salary of €2.25M.

That works out at approximately just £36,500-a-week – a salary far below what Alli would have expected at age 26 when he once had the footballing world at his feet.

If Besiktas do take up the option to buy after the loan period, a three-year deal will be signed”

It seems he was on a 3-year deal at Everton on £100k pw, so things don't add up.

Christy Ring
82 Posted 25/08/2022 at 18:24:05
Going by Sky's stats, we'll still be paying Alli over £50k pw. A gamble that failed...

Who signed him? Looking at some of the comments, it wasn't Lampard.

The bigger picture, our 4th Premier League game on Saturday, Leeds on Tuesday, and still no striker in.

An absolute joke, we're throwing away points, which we badly need, and looking at Rondon at Fleetwood, embarrassing. Are we waiting on the Gordon money?

Peter Neilson
83 Posted 25/08/2022 at 18:24:09
Mike (74),

Yes it does appear to be obvious but some seem to be accusing Frank of making him part of some sort of strange BOGOF deal that's failed.

Brendan McLaughlin
84 Posted 25/08/2022 at 18:25:54
Peter #73

In the pre-match press conference last week Lampard "clearly said he didn't know" Dele Alli? I seriously doubt that.

Robert Tressell
85 Posted 25/08/2022 at 18:36:27
Very disappointing but not surprising. If his heart's not in it, then good to have him off our books.

Time to start closing deals for incoming players.

Minik Hansen
86 Posted 25/08/2022 at 18:47:38
The deal doesn't make sense, but I guess the club had to do something about the ridiculous agreement with Tottenham. Good luck, Dele.. I had high hopes for you here.
Danny Baily
87 Posted 25/08/2022 at 18:53:52
Let's hope this frees up the budget for Ben Brereton Diaz to join. He's quick, good off the ball and can finish.
Barry Rathbone
88 Posted 25/08/2022 at 18:55:51
It's terrifying that the Everton hierarchy are as gullible as some of our fans regarding "names". The warning signs were there from the get-go given Alli's non-contribution at Spurs yet up he skips lining his pockets doing exactly what he did at Spurs – fuck all.

The club and fans never seem to learn our addiction to this sort of deal defies logic surely. Buying failures from Man Utd, Spurs et al has been proven to be a load of cack.

Tap Watford's phones and see who they're after. They have this novel idea of picking up unknowns for peanuts to sell on at a whopping profit. Crazy, I know – but we have to remove the financial shackles of the new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock somehow.

Mal van Schaick
89 Posted 25/08/2022 at 18:56:21
Yet another example of mismanagement, by allowing this charade to happen, where Everton pay his wages to get him off the books, and even then it may only be an option to buy. How many more failed signings do we have to endure?
Colin Glassar
90 Posted 25/08/2022 at 19:01:34
Good luck to him but he really wasn’t an Everton player, was he. A few appearances and ciao.
Sam Hoare
91 Posted 25/08/2022 at 19:28:06
Best of luck to him. It's hard for any player to thrive without consistent appearances and he especially seems like a player who may thrive on confidence and adoration.

Presumably he will get a fair amount of game time in Turkey and he needs to do well there. If he does, it will be a move that suits all parties.

Lee Courtliff
92 Posted 25/08/2022 at 19:30:17
Good luck to him.

And thank you for that second half against Palace... that game will live with me for the rest of my days!!!

Simon Dalzell
93 Posted 25/08/2022 at 19:43:23
Danny (85)

Good shout. I like the look of this lad for the reasons you've stated. Something (s) need to happen sharpish.

Good luck to Dele. I was lucky enough to attend the Palace match. He played a big part. I'm still recovering.

James O'Connell
94 Posted 25/08/2022 at 19:54:48
Transfer window nearly closed. Can anyone offer any hope regarding strikers that we will actually sign?
Will Mabon
95 Posted 25/08/2022 at 20:01:25
Brendan @ 82:


Watch from 12.45.

Denis Richardson
96 Posted 25/08/2022 at 20:18:45
Well, the saga comes to an end (for now) and another odd Everton transfer to file in the cabinet. Only one laughing is Levy.

We'll still be paying £2.5M of his wages for this season when presumably Besiktas will say thanks but no and Alli will be back with us next May, and we'll be scratching around for another loan deal.

He's only on loan with an option to buy. If his performances there are anything like at Everton and recently Spurs, then he'll be back at Finch Farm next summer.

Interesting re the €6M vs €8M – this is basically the difference in his wages for half a season. If it makes no financial difference to Besiktas to buy in January or June, I can't see why they would trigger it in January. Ali's not going to take a wage cut...

So we only have an extra £50k/week for one season, guaranteed.

Ray Smith
97 Posted 25/08/2022 at 20:18:47
Dele Alli this, Dele Alli that, that's all that's coming out currently.

Gana can leave PSG on a free other than Everton?
We are an absolute joke!

Deadline day, here we come again!!!

Brendan McLaughlin
98 Posted 25/08/2022 at 20:46:10
Wow Will #93

Thanks for the link and especially taking the trouble to pinpoint the relevant time Frank made his comments on Dele Alli.

Obviously if Peter had made it clear that Frank had said he "didn't know Dele personally" I wouldn't have queried his interpretation of the statement.

On the broader picture, however, there's nothing I heard in that interview to suggest that Lampard wasn't involved in the decision to bring Dele Alli in. In fact he seems to suggest he was.

Paul Hewitt
99 Posted 25/08/2022 at 20:53:49
We could just have kept him and played him. He's still a talented player. We just simply haven't used him properly.
Ian Hollingworth
100 Posted 25/08/2022 at 21:22:04
I bet the other clubs' chairmen just love picking the phone up to the world's greatest Evertonian. Christ, that man does some cracking deals.

I bet they all know exactly how to play him. Well done, Bill, another cracking deal gone South.

30 plus years of misery under his stewardship I don't doubt he loves Everton but he is so self-deluded that he can't see past the end of his nose.

This club goes nowhere until he is gone. Same old shit, year-in & year-out, and we just fucking take it, year-in & year-out. Until he cuts the ribbon for the new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock, we are stuck with the clown.

Will Mabon
101 Posted 25/08/2022 at 21:34:12

I very much doubt Lampard was simply informed on arrival about Dele, with it not being mentioned in job discussions beforehand, even if he had no initial involvement.

As ever, we're always left to guess.

Bernie Quinn
102 Posted 25/08/2022 at 21:38:49
Okay, everyone – re Dele: Everton lost, Spurs and everyone else won. Get over it. Life goes on.
Brendan McLaughlin
103 Posted 25/08/2022 at 21:44:59
Indeed, Will #99,

Although some posters would have us believe that Lampard turned up for work on his first day armed only with his lunchbox and proof of his coaching qualifications only to be blind-sided (in a good way) by the unexpected news of additions to the squad.

Robert Williams
104 Posted 25/08/2022 at 21:51:06
FREE is the only thing that gets the deadwood off our books, I'm afraid.
Andy Walker
105 Posted 25/08/2022 at 22:29:13
The quality of football in Turkey must be truly atrocious if these two wastes of space can move there.
Ashley Roberts
106 Posted 25/08/2022 at 22:59:39
Okay, with Dele and hopefully Gbamin off the wage bill, that will free up some space for new players even without having to move Gordon on to Chelsea.

Having said that, Gordon will have had his head turned and so it is only a matter of time before he moves. S,o that being said, we will then need 3 new strikers to take the place of Richarlison and Gordon, and to sub for Calvert-Lewin when injured.

Maupay is not the answer and we should leave well alone. I think we should try to bring in Diaz from Blackburn, Broja on loan from Chelsea, and try to buy Pedro from Watford.

If we could also get Gueye and Kudus and maybe Garner that would be a great end to the transfer window. I know I am dreaming but who knows??

Si Cooper
107 Posted 25/08/2022 at 23:09:13
Some people still not grasping reality with where we are in terms of recruitment.

Taking a chance on top-class players who have lost their way is precisely where we have been for a few years now (and will likely be for at least a few more).
We are a club that has to gamble that we can resurrect a few careers because we just can't afford world class players in their prime.

What do people want the club to do? Not bother unless it is a guaranteed sure thing? No player we can currently afford / attract comes with anything like that sort of guarantee.

Derek Moore
108 Posted 25/08/2022 at 23:17:11
It's resource management Si Cooper. (#106). Risk versus reward.

Your statement "We are a club that has to gamble that we can resurrect a few careers because we just can't afford world class players in their prime." makes sense in a vacuum but not in any practicality.

From Ginola, Hughes and Gasgoine to Eto'o to James and Alli ,we've wasted much of our limited resources topping up pension pots for players who were – with few honourable exceptions – well and truly past it.

"What do people want the club to do?". Robert Tressell, Sam Hoare and other posters have often stated what we should do. Buy up-and-coming players, scout talent, invest in youth and build the club from the bottom up.

It's not the best option available to us if we want to get back to where we feel we belong. It is in fact the only one.

Will Mabon
109 Posted 25/08/2022 at 23:20:52
Derek, I agree. I now believe a status quo is being deliberately maintained.
Gerry Quinn
110 Posted 26/08/2022 at 07:00:15
I see that Lampard has now stated that he was unimpressed with Alli and his attitude in training - well done in getting rid, Frank...
Danny O’Neill
111 Posted 26/08/2022 at 08:15:07
Move on. Wasted talent but I hope the player can resurrect his career and wish him well.

My alarm bells flagged when Harry Redknapp spoke out around March time (I think). He clearly has connections with Tottenham and also is Lampard's uncle, so must have known something.

Mourinho tried tough love and also must have spotted concerns.

I tried defending the player, but he needs to sort his head out.

Ian Hollingworth
113 Posted 26/08/2022 at 14:15:26
Bernie @100 ok until the next one eh?
James Flynn
114 Posted 27/08/2022 at 03:00:51
He already knows Tosun. Help him fill the net.
John Keating
115 Posted 29/08/2022 at 21:31:23
I see Dele started tonight and was subbed when 3 up after 78 minutes.

Must have done okay...

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