Kyle John signs 2-year contract extension

26/10/2022 10comments  |  Jump to last

Everton Academy defender Kyle John has signed a 2-year contract extension with the club.

With his existing contract set to expire at the end of the season, the club have acted to extend their mutual commitment through June 2024, with the 21-year-old getting closer to his dream of a first-team debut.

This season has seen John training with the first team and being selected to the bench by Frank Lampard as an unused substitute for Premier League games against Southampton and Manchester United.

“I’m so proud to sign this contract for this great club,” John told evertontv. “I’m looking forward to continuing to work hard and getting to where I need to be.

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“With Frank Lampard as the manager, he likes to bring young players through, and I like the way he plays.

“I’ve been here for a long time and Everton means everything to me. It is like home. I’m committed to giving everything I can to give back to the Club.

“This season, I’d like to make my first-team debut and get some minutes. That’s my goal.”


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Robert Tressell
1 Posted 26/10/2022 at 16:11:26
John is an interesting player. He plays right-back like Patterson – dynamic, good crosser, gets up and down the flank well and uses the ball and movement well in order to beat the opposition press.

He's a year older than Patterson though, I think, and well behind him in development. I'd assumed he'd be let go in summer to find his level in the third tier or thereabouts – like Lundstram, Ledson, Bidwell, Forshaw etc potentially climbing back up the league.

Hope he does well and proves me wrong, but never quite looked Premier League class.

Dupont Koo
2 Posted 27/10/2022 at 01:52:06
Another low-cost move by Thelwell to buy time for his coaching staff to evaluate Kyle John correctly (burn all the files left behind by Rhino!). With Seamus's contract running down, it never hurts to keep all the options open for a back-up to Nathan.

If the staff come to the conclusion by next summer that Kyle will only be like what Robert mentioned above, a solid Football League Pro, he can then either be loaned out (for the entire last season of this contract till expiry) or sold (on a nominal amount) to a Football League Club next summer. Either way, this contract extension will not have the downside of a financial burden, à la Matthew Pennington, but all the upside of managing a "borderline" talent responsibly.

Of course, I'm rooting for him finding his way up to the first team: if that is the case, he will likely sign another medium term contract extension (like those 3-year terms for Simms, Broadhead, and Dobbin) to have his sales value protected and be loaned out to Football League clubs for one to two seasons (depends on Kyle's own progress) to ply his trade.

In short, Thelwell's structure is well positioned to allow the club to monitor the progress of a youngster properly and be benefited (or well covered at the very least) financially.

Kieran Kinsella
3 Posted 27/10/2022 at 04:13:13
“Young players” yeah like Rooney aged 16.

Sorry but this guy is already 21 and hasn't seen a minute of action. I can only assume, as with Mayor Joe Anderson, we are keeping him around to add some experience to the Under-21s.

Brent Stephens
4 Posted 27/10/2022 at 07:09:42
I like Kyle John. Never shirks a challenge. Always looking to advance down the right and get a cross in (often aided by a long, raking crossfield pass from Joe Anderson at left-back – great understanding between the two).

So, I'd love to see him get some game time for the first team. But, I'm with Robert – I'm not sure he is, or ever will be, quite there. Although he has been on the first team bench recently – but / and so have Mills, Welch, Price...

As Dupont says, perhaps "another low-cost move by Thelwell to buy time for his coaching staff to evaluate Kyle correctly", though haven't they had time enough already? Or, as Kieran says, we're "keeping him around to add some experience to the Under-21s"?

Perhaps Everton are being cautious about moving Kyle John on too soon, given Patterson's injury, and uncertainty about Coleman's ability to still provide cover (though his job on Zaha suggests otherwise – we might yet see more Dame Nellie Melba-type "farewell" appearances from Coleman).

Michael Kenrick
5 Posted 27/10/2022 at 10:29:30
Interesting description of how the Academy works, Dupont.

You know, it actually sounds very similar to the way it has always worked in recent years, for many players coming through the age bands.

Yet we're told there's been a revamp of the Academy under Thelwell. So things are going to be different.

How, I wonder?

We're still giving decent contracts to older youngsters.
We're still playing competitive teams in their leagues.
We're still trying to win various cup competitions.
We're still pushing limited players out on loan.
We're still not selling players for big fees.
We're still releasing players who aren't going to make it.
We're still accelerating the best ones through the levels.
We're still losing top talent to other Academies.

Or is it just too soon to be seeing any difference yet?

Tony Abrahams
6 Posted 27/10/2022 at 10:42:31
I watched him the other week, and personally didn't feel that he's anywhere near Premier League level, although this was only one game.

He's determined, he's committed, but he's 21 years of age, and needs to be playing real competitive football. I think this will bring him on more because he did look like he was a very committed kid, but I'm not sure he's good enough for the football to play in the Premier League?

I hadn't read any of the thread, but reading back, I'm not alone in my thoughts regarding this kid!

Phill Thompson
7 Posted 27/10/2022 at 12:02:31
DuPont #2,

Kyle John has been in and around the U23s/U21s for years, and at 21 I doubt anybody needs more time to evaluate him.

Unsworth for me outstayed his time with us and thankfully he's now moved on. But your barbed criticism of him re John makes no sense.

Kyle John was an average winger / midfielder for the U18s, he was one of a number of players we tried to convert to a right-back, and the one who has been most successful. If he makes a career in the game at right-back he'll have a lot to thank Unsworth and the other coaches for.

For me, John won't make it with us. A big point for him was the match at home to Man City a couple of seasons ago when a fast City winger continually tore him apart for pace and lack of defensive positioning. He's decent when going forward but has never improved much in his defensive ability.

Dupont Koo
8 Posted 28/10/2022 at 01:18:21
Michael, you are spot on in terms of describing where we are, in terms of the many fronts that we have to fight.

I would preach patience. We need to re-build the "hype" amongst other Football League Clubs (& the Scottish Clubs, if they have the money and enough scouts) that our youngsters carry the necessary "Blue Blood" pedigree and are worth them to fork out decent fees to acquire.

The ultimate goal is to be like Chelsea (the fee they got back from Tammy Abraham might be a pittance to them but certainly wasn't shabby) and the Red Shite (the £40 Million in total that they ripped off Bournemouth on various sales of over-hyped but sub-par youngsters is textbook material).

I trust that, with Thelwell in place, we shall gradually make more money replenishing the club's coffer via the sale of youngsters:

- No more releasing the likes of Lundstram, Ledson, Bidwell, Forshaw for free, then seeing them making respective returns to Premier League (and/or having long careers with Football League Clubs) with other clubs and have no sell-on or development fees in return.

- No more free-transfers like Joe Williams, then seeing the club that signed him (Wigan) right afterwards recouping £1.2 Million by selling him 12 months later.

- No more over-paying the likes of Pennington so much that Football League clubs can't afford to cover his pension money for loans.

Fingers crossed on Thelwell's ongoing work and improvement of the club's overall structure!

Dupont Koo
9 Posted 28/10/2022 at 01:37:02
Just read from the Echo that Paul Tait has spoken out officially about sending Kyle out on loan in January (barring injuries): IMHO, that's good news for Kyle as he needs minutes at Football League against real Pros in the trenches. Ideally I would love to see him being sent to a League 1 Club, but more likely he'll get the necessary minutes with a League 2 Club like Lewis Warrington did with Tranmere last year.
Michael Kenrick
10 Posted 28/10/2022 at 11:21:17
Some good points there, Dupont @8. Every possibility that things will improve, of course.

I had to look up that Joe Williams example because it did sound like bad business. From what I could find (Wigan Today), it seems he wasn't quite a free transfer, with the newspaper reporting that Everton sold him "for an undisclosed fee believed to be in seven figures".

Still nowhere near the level of fees Liverpool seem to extract for their mediocre Academy players, though.

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