Lampard urges Everton fans to keep the faith after Wolves defeat

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“I think the lads had all the right intentions so for that I’d love the crowd to stick with them,” said Lampard, after Everton's 4th home defeat of the season.

“We saw what a positive it (Goodison Park) can be last year so let’s not come away from that.

“I’m in the dressing room with them and I know they want to do the right thing. I’m not asking the players to play 100 passes in our own final third, but to be a bit braver on the ball.

“Good players want to play so I’d like that to get some backing as the reality is we haven’t got Dominic (Calvert-Lewin) for the direct option. We have to take it on the chin. We are trying to improve off the back of where we last year and it will be baby steps.”


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Terry McLavey
1 Posted 27/12/2022 at 11:58:59
Do you and the 'players' really deserve it?
Sean Roe
2 Posted 27/12/2022 at 12:07:15
“I think the lads had all the right intentions so for that I'd love the crowd to stick with them.''

Ah, so nothing to do with your tactics then, Frank?

Nothing to do with what you get them doing in training?

Nothing to do with the limited money you had for transfers being wasted on yet more substandard players?

Nothing to do with you at all?

Dave Abrahams
3 Posted 27/12/2022 at 12:09:02
Frank said we played and tried hard against a good Wolves team. A good Wolves team, Frank? They were a very poor team, Frank.

Talk nonsense as much as you like but keep it your fuckin' self. We might be deluded following Everton but we're not fuckin' daft so stop taking the piss... you sound like your Uncle Harry.

Danny O’Neill
5 Posted 27/12/2022 at 12:16:18
That was a poor Everton team playing against a poor Wolves team, Frank.

You played at the highest level in an all-conquering team of its era, so you should know that more than me.

Protect your players by all means, but don't make excuses for them.

Or yourself.

In life, when we get it wrong, it is always best to come out, hands up, and admit it.

Derek Thomas
6 Posted 27/12/2022 at 12:18:55
Going down the same Martinez-esque delusional rabbit hole... with the same inevitable outcome.
Gary Johnson
7 Posted 27/12/2022 at 12:24:13
Beginning to ‘hate' this man in a way I've only ever felt before about Benitez. Onana thinking it's a panto yesterday, trying to get the Gwladys going, was equally pathetic.

We want passion, commitment, full-blooded fight, you fuckwits. Wolves were snidey as fuck yesterday and all we gave them was a few handbags. One Tarkowski bone cruncher aside, I don't recall seeing any fight.

The (so-called) cultured ‘play it back, go across the back, try other wing, repeat, rinse….' bollocks football is predictable and is why other teams are beating us.

Play to win, like Liverpool and Brentford do, or just be the nastiest toughest fuckers about. Anything else is just not acceptable.

Do one, ye wet lettuce.

Peter Mills
8 Posted 27/12/2022 at 12:36:21
I was going to shout for the manager to stop treating the players like children, stop protecting them, stop Molly-coddling them… but that would be an insult to kids.

I watch young boys and girls every week, most of all being encouraged, taught, told to enjoy themselves. But if one of them were to stupidly shove an opponent in the back as Patterson did yesterday, they would instantly have been subbed for stupidity and indiscipline.

If the kids make mistakes, that's fine. But if they don't try, they don't get a game. Most of Everton's players are under insufficient pressure, not too much.

I was one of the many who was exasperated by the centre-backs passing the ball to each other with 2 minutes to go. But I was even more frustrated by the players in front of them standing like traffic cones.

And when the move broke down, in the Wolves left back position I, from the opposite side and end of the ground, said to my pal “Here's trouble”, because it was obvious that not enough would bust a gut to get back.

I'm afraid that many of these people supposedly organising our football team are just missing the obvious.

Mark Dunford
9 Posted 27/12/2022 at 12:38:34
Just a complete mess. It has been this way for nearly 2 years – more or less the moment that Ancelotti's side nosedived.

Lampard has improved the defence but lost Richarlison and Calvert-Lewin, so we concede fewer goals but don't score. No doubt that we lost to what is really a very poor side yesterday and there are far too many reasons to look on gloomy side.

In particular, Cannon should have been on at least 20 minutes earlier; he may be young but he is a presence.

The way they cantered down the pitch to score their second was just unbelievable. Our midfield is a mess and the forward line has no leader; balance wrong in both areas.

The manager's future will be called into question with two bad defeats in Manchester. I'd be quite surprised if he survives – I'm not calling for his exit as I've no idea what the alternative would be.

Supporting Everton has been a gruelling experience for far too long and it doesn't look like it is going to improve anytime soon.

Steve Carse
10 Posted 27/12/2022 at 13:17:02
Lampard is lacking when seeking to address both the general picture and the fine detail.

The former was blatantly clear yesterday when – despite having had 6 weeks to address tactical shortcomings – we turn out producing the same garbage as before the World Cup break.

The latter was best exposed with the McNeil - Gray substitution. Despite his continuing poor form, McNeil does provide assistance to Mykolenko by taking up the space in front of him and so preventing wingers having a free run at him. In this regard to replace him with Gray was a big risk to take.

In the event, Gray did not do badly in protecting Mykolenko – but at a cost to his attacking intent, so making the change pretty meaningless from the perspective of trying to win the game.

Nor was it any coincidence that the (more experienced) opposing manager played his main cards right by waiting to see Lampard's moves before timing the introduction of Traore.

It beggars belief that Lampard expressed his fears about Traore's pace in his post-match interviews but actually made a change that heightened the likelihood of Traore inflicting damage on the break. As came to pass.

Dave Abrahams
11 Posted 27/12/2022 at 13:38:07
Peter (8),

Your next-to-last paragraph was exactly as I and a few more saw it from the Upper Bullens Road stand. When that long ball was made for Traore to run onto, I thought “Here comes their winner” as it did, bringing desperation and despair with it.

Ian Arthur
12 Posted 27/12/2022 at 14:23:28
All these comments about defenders and midfielders …surely a team functions with a reliable front line, in any level of league – let alone the Premier League.

The board at EFC are completely inept or blind to think that Calvert-Lewin is our future – the guy's a wreck. Yet again, Simms scores the winner for the Skunks and the eejets on the board continue to look the other way.

I am sick to death of every match turning into a nightmare, ruining my night and the next day. There was a time I could tell you every result, scorer and pretty much a story of each game going back decades; now, nothing gets remembered...

I even had to check the other day to see if, by chance, we were still in the League Cup and then I recalled the tragedy at Loftus Road!!!!

Fran Mitchell
13 Posted 27/12/2022 at 14:29:26
We knew for a year that Richarlison was leaving, and sold him as soon as the window opened, but still didn't replace him.

We knew Calvert-Lewin was injury-prone and chances of him staying fit were small but we didn't replace him.

We knew Rondon wasn't up to scratch but we didn't replace him.

As it stands, Wolves, Chelsea, and Liverpool have all announced signings ahead of the January transfer window reopening.

Lampard is still saying "We'll see, it's a difficult month, hopefully we can do something."

Total incompetence.

And the fact is, the fans and Richarlison dragged us over the line last season. Richarlison has gone, and not a chance the fans will be able to repeat the feat.

Jim Bennings
14 Posted 27/12/2022 at 14:52:48
More tripe.

I think Frank is giving up ,to be honest.

When he came, he wouldn't say it any other way than hit straight to the point, no bollocks.

Now, he's just going down the same route as predecessors, all the same tripe getting brought out.

"Baby steps this season, playing good teams (that are bottom)."

"Fans need to be patient, it's not nice for the players."

Fuck's sake, I'm sick of Everton taking baby steps, have we ever got out of the cot?

Playing good teams that are actually worse than us?

Fans have been patient for years, year-in & year-out, and still they come back like zombies to watch the same shite.

Don Alexander
15 Posted 27/12/2022 at 15:24:34
"Keep on keeping the faith"!


So badly have Moshiri and Kenwright destroyed our club's finances with their mega-litany of disastrous signings (via the mega-litany of managers they appointed) that not only in the last two seasons, and this one, are we fooked... but for the next several seasons, minimum, too.

The dock-side White Elephant stadium is of no comfort at all to me whilst those two Charlies remain associated with our club in any way.

Blaming Lampard is completely missing the point.

Mike Price
16 Posted 27/12/2022 at 15:30:23
He obviously wants the sack and a payoff. Then he can say he saved us last season and then left before our eventual relegation.

If he takes us down, he's finished as a manager. It's as if he's realised it's not for him and he can go back to his luxury life in London with reputation semi-intact and jump on the pundit circuit for something to do.

Joe Ross
17 Posted 27/12/2022 at 15:56:00
Rob Halligan
18 Posted 27/12/2022 at 15:59:21
Dean Smith sacked by Norwich after a run of only 3 wins in 13 games.

Another sacking for Smith, as he no doubt walks away with a few more million quid in his skyrocket.

Be afraid, Frank!

Peter Mills
19 Posted 27/12/2022 at 17:01:27
Dave @11,

Or, as grandson Charlie has written in his match report in his new book, final sentence:

“Guess what? In the 94th we were passing the ball round at the back and they got the ball and scored the winner so we all went home with sad faces.”

I don't know whether to be proud or cry!

Andrew Ellams
20 Posted 27/12/2022 at 17:06:03
Lampard's post-match interview last night was a man who knows the end is nigh and has absolutely no idea how to stop it.
Andy Crooks
21 Posted 27/12/2022 at 17:21:09
Good post, Dave @3.

Frank is embarrassing himself by this cretinous babbling. He really needs to shut up and go away.

Ray Jacques
22 Posted 27/12/2022 at 17:27:47
What faith? They've taken away the hope and, despite millions invested, we are now buying in the charity shop.

Bobby Brown Shoes to be wheeled out mid-January, it's got Kenwright's bulbous, grubby mitts all over it. Phenomenal... no, it's fuckin chronic.

Dale Self
23 Posted 27/12/2022 at 17:36:17
Yeah maaaaaan, I'm seeing Frank trying to position himself as running interference for a squad that [cockney tone] "Well, they're just not good enough but they're good lads and they're giving it the best they can".

This is of course cretinous babble. His strategy seems to be to survive the squad and get a few that could save him in January.

Problem is, he has already demotivated some players he needed when some of the new buys fade or get found out by defences (ie, Doucouré). We cannot let the dysfunction embed like that.

I really can't come to the defence of some of the players but to let Frank spin that one is a joke gone too far.

If I'm getting the wrong impression here, someone give me the tap on the shoulder. I tried to back him, knew I was out on a limb, and to hear this from him is really infuriating at this point.

Barry Rathbone
24 Posted 27/12/2022 at 17:52:00
Does that translate as "Without Calvert-Lewin, we're dead fish"?

Or am I hearing voices again?

Tony Hill
25 Posted 27/12/2022 at 17:54:38
I'd stick with Lampard but he has an unpleasant tendency to blame others. He needs to get rid of that and to start acting like a man by taking full responsibility on himself and by taking the fight to the opposition.

Wake up, mate, or you'll be doing holiday and fashion items with your wife on some godforsaken telly spot.

Stuart Bellamy
26 Posted 27/12/2022 at 17:56:05
Well, having missed 5 weeks of football, I was really looking forward to this game a lot; I was hoping that Frank and the coaching team had worked a lot with the players not at the World Cup (ie, most of our squad) to come up with some different and more effective ways of playing, particularly offensively.

And what we get served up is that crap. The same old sideways and backwards passing, slow ponderous play, giving the ball away in midfield far too much, misplaced places, porous defence with the odd flash of attacking intent that usually comes to nothing.

No control, no plan. Exactly the same headless-chicken, rabbit-in-the-headlights, clueless, disorganised play as before.

I so want it to work for Frank and keep the faith because I think he has got something… but at the moment, I'm really struggling to think what that something is and my mind, like many others, is turning to what comes next.... what that actually is, who knows?

Dave Abrahams
27 Posted 27/12/2022 at 18:11:42
Peter (19),

“Out of the mouth of babies” – and nobody tells the truth like kids.

As to “I don't whether to be proud or cry” – a bit of both, Peter, with most of it pride!!

Danny O’Neill
28 Posted 27/12/2022 at 18:39:05
Evertonian, Peter.

One day we'll give him pride.

Paul Kossoff
29 Posted 27/12/2022 at 18:41:32
What alarmed me yesterday was how Patterson, a young man, struggled to run back when Wolves were breaking away to score the winner. He had his head down, then up then down in the classic pose of, "I'm trying to run fast but I can't because I'm not fit."

Doucouré should have at least tried to foul the Wolves player on the edge of the penalty area, thus stopping the move. He didn't, then also half-arsed jogged back.

AIex Iwobi was jogging like a fat-arsed ponce who couldn't give a toss. We were all over the place with no movement at all up front.

Belated Christmas present, Santa: nil-nil against Man City.

Svein-Roger Jensen
30 Posted 27/12/2022 at 18:57:04
Fear not, Dominic Calvert-Levin will probably save us in the last match again.
Paul Kernot
31 Posted 27/12/2022 at 21:45:19
I just watched all of the Sunderland v Blackburn game, mostly to see Ellis Simms's goal but not knowing he didn't come on until 5 mins to go. It was a real blood & guts, committed game with 2 teams who were structured, fit and wanted to be there.

Two observations:

1. Simms's goal was a cracker. Very creative with limited space and time.

2. Somebody needs to explain what the hell Brereton Diaz has that we want... coz I sure as hell don't see it.

Arnez Desmond
32 Posted 27/12/2022 at 21:46:28
Frank is not good enough for Everton. I've said it before he was appointed. I thought he would use the World Cup break to develop another formation or style but it's the same old dross. He does not have a clue.

He signed Maupay, McNeil, Gueye all of whom are struggling. There are other ways to play. Why are the players passing the ball backwards even in attacking positions?

Why focus on possession football when the idea is to pressure and counter as fast as possible? Why are our players not taking long shots? Why are our wingers not taking on players? Example McNeil? Simply not good enough.

We can put out a decent team. Change the formation to 4-5-1. We use the full-backs as wingbacks... Pack the midfield with Onana, Iwobi and Doucoure and give them the license to pressure and attack. Use Gray and Gordan as midfielders or wingers and use Cannon as our striker.

Maupay can't hit a barn door from 5 yards. No more bullshit slow passing football. Enough of Frank Lampard... Shape up or ship out.

Jerome Shields
33 Posted 28/12/2022 at 01:03:54

Do you really think Evertonians are so stupid as to accept such tripe?

There is something seriously wrong with involving a player who was not on the pitch, with questionable credentials anyway, as an explanation for the performance of players on the pitch. How can any Evertonians get behind that?

Peter Neilson
34 Posted 28/12/2022 at 08:30:42
We've won 1 of the 6 games Calvert-Lewin has started this season. We've 10 points from 10 games without him and 4 points from 6 games with him.

(I've ignored any lack of match fitness in those 6 games as none of our players are fit. I could have jogged back as slowly for Wolves' second goal.)

I'd still rather we had Calvert-Lewin back but he's not the Messiah. Other goal scorers are needed, regardless of his fitness.

Jim Bennings
35 Posted 28/12/2022 at 08:33:40
Calvert-Lewin will not be the Calvert-Lewin he was under Ancelotti.

Never the greatest finisher in the league, let's be honest, but the athletism will be all but gone now with the injuries he's had.

Ray Jacques
36 Posted 28/12/2022 at 08:48:58
Is Calvert-Lewin the messiah? He isn't going to save us.

Embarrassing watching Richarlison at the World Cup. We had him, we sold him and replaced him with Maupay.

Therein lies the problem at EFC. Whoever makes such decisions needs to... well, you can fill in the blanks.

Kim Vivian
37 Posted 28/12/2022 at 09:55:40
If our fricking forwards were able to take their chances, this thread would not exist and people would be a little less scathing of Lampard's tactics. He has a bang-average squad who are somehow creating opportunities for blank-firing forwards.

I personally don't think Calvert-Lewin is the missing lynchpin of the team, although we do badly need him back and competitive, but we just as badly need to add someone who can take their bloody chances. Calvert-Lewin is not that prolific.

Paul (29),

Patterson had put in a decent shift for something over 90 minutess by the time Doucouré lost that 50-50 challenge on the edge of our area (which he contrived to turn into a 40-60, btw). Both the Wolves subs were fresh as daisies, so I'm disappointed to see you hanging Patterson out to dry.

We should have had either Tarkowski or Godfrey sat deeper at that point, but referring back to my original point, it shouldn't really have even mattered by then.

Our ineptitude up front has us chasing games down at the death leaving ourselves woefully exposed. I've lost count how often it's happened but I just knew, as soon as Doucouré lost out, it was happening again.

Russelll Smith
38 Posted 28/12/2022 at 10:21:58
It is clear from his face that Lampard is as pissed off with the players as we are but, if he comes out and criticises the players, he would be slaughtered on TW just as much as he is being slaughtered for “protecting” them.

The players we bought all have one thing in common: they were relatively cheap and could be signed on the drip. The only player we paid a decent fee for was Onana and he spends more time waving his hands at the fans instead of concentrating on what he should be doing. When have we seen him get the ball and drive forward with it to break the lines?

There is a lot of criticism of Gana but he was our best player by a country mile and taking him off was ridiculous, as both Onana and Iwobi were both abysmal. Now Iwobi has agreed a new long-term deal, is he going to revert to the Iwobi of 6 months ago and become another member of the deadwood society?

Not sure Lampard is the right man to lead us forward but then who is? Bielsa would be my choice as he would at least ensure the players would be fit enough to prevent the sort of breakaway goal that Wolves (and Leicester) scored.

Joe McMahon
39 Posted 28/12/2022 at 10:42:29
From comments section on BBC, Sean Dyche fans take note:

"As a Clarets fan of 50 years, it's great to see the ball finally 'moving around the grass' again!! Under Dyche (even in the Championship) it was the worst football ever seen at the Turf – yes, even with the success! Up the Clarets!"

Christine Foster
40 Posted 28/12/2022 at 10:57:51
It just isn't good enough. The squad, the tactics, the manager. In truth, we are woefully short of playing options which really hamstrings Lampard's options.

But, let's face it, there is no point in persisting with a formation that doesn't work, nor in players who do not perform (never mind perform consistently); what can he actually do?

Ancelotti recognized the weaknesses in the squad and shut up shop. Lampard may want to play good football but he hasn't the squad to do it.

Onana is nowhere near Premier League standard.

Gordon is so inconsistent, he is heading for the substitute bench, at least he should be.

Maupay is not a target man, useless as a lone striker, no pace, no finish.

Gray is a one-trick pony... always wants to cut inside and shoot; dreadful dead-ball player.

What do we do? Throw the dice, play Mills Price, Cannon from the start. it has to give more zip, energy...

Perversely, we are on a hiding to nothing against Man City, so don't even think about it, a baptism of fire.

Tony Abrahams
41 Posted 28/12/2022 at 11:00:54
To be fair to Dyche, Joe, his Burnley team footballed Everton off the pitch and looked like Real Madrid the day Dwight McNeill scored a worldy and the Real Madrid manager stood there scratching his head, like he did so often whilst he was managing Everton.

If Ancellotti never changed his system and tried to get us to open up against the lesser teams, it's possible Everton might have incredibly even qualified for the Champions League?

He obviously knew the players' limitations; otherwise, we wouldn't have won so many pug-ugly games of football away from Goodison Park. But we lost 12 home points against Burnley, Newcastle, Sheffield United, and Fulham because we simply weren't good enough to play an open, aggressive game.

Maybe Kompany was fortunate that he has started his Burnley managerial career in the Championship. Who knows, we might even try and get him for ourselves if things don't change over the next 5 months!

Peter Mills
42 Posted 28/12/2022 at 11:09:00
Trying desperately to gain some comfort, I cast my mind back to a previous disastrous defeat by Wolves.

On 27 December 1983, the family travelled down to Wolverhampton to watch Everton take on a team that hadn't won at home all season. We lost 3-0, in an abject display, witnessed by fewer than 13,000.

At the time, it was absolutely the low point of watching our club. We tried to pick the bones out of things in the pub on the way home, but failed.

In our team was Darren Hughes and Stuart Rimmer (who went on to have decent careers in the lower leagues). Then there were 2 injured has-beens, Peter Reid and Andy Gray.

And 7 “never going to make its” named Southall, Stevens, Mountfield, Ratcliffe, Irvine, Richardson and Sheedy, plus a sub, Steven.

Don't know what happened to that lot.

Danny O’Neill
43 Posted 28/12/2022 at 11:10:37
We can only give opinions, Joe.

I might be wanting my cake and be able to eat it, even though I don't have a sweet tooth or like cakes, but I wouldn't want Dyche anywhere near our football club. A slightly more polished version of Allardyce in my opinion.

It works at clubs like Bolton and Burnley where expectation is low. But even at Everton, with our lost generation and having endured what we have, the expectation is higher and tolerance lower. Well, it fucking should be.

One in the swear box for John Senior.

I keep saying, watch Eddie Howe. I'm sure the "imagine what he could do with money and a big club" gang are out in force given the very good start he's gotten off too.

Watch that space. Some managers are good on the small stage managing smaller clubs with limited resources and players who don't have big egos. Put them on the big stage and with superstars who rightly or wrongly look down on someone and they fail.

I fear for Graham Potter. I think Chelsea was the wrong move for him. You can't knock him for turning down the opportunity as he'd probably done all he could at Brighton, but that gig will be less forgiving.

If we accept the inevitable that Lampard is on borrowed time, I wouldn't be too averse to Tuchel. He has a good pedigree.

Started at Mainz; a relatively small club, to cut his teeth not long after Klopp had departed. So understands working under constraints. Replaced Klopp at Dortmund, has managed PSG and Chelsea but currently I don't see any obvious jobs around that may tempt him.

Danny O’Neill
44 Posted 28/12/2022 at 11:13:13
Kompany. Now there's one I keep forgetting about. Very intelligent person and very intelligent footballer who could become a very intelligent coach.
Dave Lynch
45 Posted 28/12/2022 at 11:16:12
Don't know why everyone is getting so upset.

Mathematically, we can still win this... 🤣

Brian Harrison
46 Posted 28/12/2022 at 11:25:29
Danny 44,

I think it's no coincidence that both Arteta and quite recently Kompany – both of whom spent a few years under the tutelage of Guardiola – are flourishing in their respective jobs.

I watched the highlights of the Burnley game yesterday and they play through the lines from front to back, similar to Man City, as do Arsenal.

I would love to see Kompany take over at Everton but why should he? His club will be in the Premier League next season and, given where they are, I couldn't see Kompany walking out on them.

Denis Hignett
47 Posted 28/12/2022 at 12:32:07
Just to put things into perspective: the back five against Wolves were all full internationals. The midfield three are all current internationals – two played in the World Cup.

Then we get to the front 3/4/5, take your pick. All not good enough. You don't score goals, you don't win matches. You don't win matches, you get relegated.

Robert Tressell
48 Posted 28/12/2022 at 15:47:27
Christine #40,

Have you ever seen Cannon, Mills and Price play? What have you seen in them that offers more than someone who scored 1 in 2 in the Championship and internationals for Belgium, Senegal and Nigeria?

Personally, I don't think Cannon has been better at youth level than Bassala Sambou (also often described as someone who couldn't be worse...) – and currently has 0 goals in 17 games for Crewe.

Danny #43,

Being honest, do you think Tuchel would be remotely interested in taking us on in January? I mean we'd sack Lampard and replace him with Tuchel immediately if so surely...

Rob Halligan
49 Posted 28/12/2022 at 16:26:31
Robert #48,

Any manager currently out of work is going to accept any job in the Premier League, doesn't matter who that team is or their current league position.

The biggest reason is no doubt money. Who, after all, is going to turn down a job that's going to pay him, say £50k per week, and knowing he will walk away with millions if sacked?

People may say it will damage his reputation, but if I were Tuchel, I'd be saying “Fuck to my reputation” if it means a few quid in me sky rocket, and the chance to manage in the best league in the world again.

Also, if, as some are saying, Lampard is given the boot if we are turned over by Man City on Saturday, Tuchel is available and ready to step in, very much like he did when Lampard was sacked by Chelsea.

Tuchel went on to win the Champions League that season, with pretty much Lampard's team, so if it is to be Tuchel after Saturday, then Danny, get ready to celebrate us winning the FA Cup this season.

As a little bit of light relief, does anybody believe in “Dreams coming True”? I dreamt a couple of weeks ago, that a mate I go the home games with, his son and fiancée had a baby. Imagine to my surprise therefore, to be told on Monday that they are expecting a new baby in the summer!

Last night, I dreamt that me and the lads I go the away games with, were at an away game in Europe. The only thing is, it was an England game, but all the English fans were Evertonians. So just replace England with Everton and Europe here we come…

Providing of course, we can sign one or two strikers next month to help us make another dream come true!

Jay Harris
50 Posted 28/12/2022 at 16:46:07
Tuchel, like Koeman, wouldn't put up with Kenwright's bullshit for one game.

He would take a look at that squad and want guarantees on backing... so, much as though I rate him, he would not be for us.

Like our requirement for a striker is an up-and-coming Lukaku, what we need as manager is an up-and-coming Graham Potter.

Frank appears to be too nice a guy finding excuses for the players' performances in the hopes of keeping confidence up and naively thinking it would be wrong to bollock them and take them to training on the sandhills at Southport.

Danny Baily
51 Posted 28/12/2022 at 16:46:36
Frank, if you want the fans on side, try winning.

The fans are rightly worried that we've let Forest, Leicester and Wolves leave Goodison with 7 points. These were must-win games. If they were held in April, we'd have met the team bus with blue smoke.

There aren't enough games left to get us over the line, and it seems the manager hasn't realised this yet.

Robert Tressell
52 Posted 28/12/2022 at 16:58:00
Rob # 49. I'm not so sure.

Tuchel is rich beyond our comprehension already. A short stint at Everton is not going to move the dial. He could be in China or Saudi doing that if it was just about money. Or the Wolves job.

In the next few months, he could get hired by really big clubs punching below their weight like Atletico Madrid or Inter Milan. He'll therefore probably bide his time.

Where is the motivation in joining Everton unless there is a transfer kitty to accompany the big wage?

Nick Page
53 Posted 28/12/2022 at 17:11:44
Everyone should swallow their pride and not go to the next home game. Just do something else. It's one game and 2 or 3 hours out of your life ... all for the greater good of Everton Football Club.

The media will be all over it. It's that simple. It's not against Everton, it's against the cancer that is slowly killing the club.

Enough of Kenwright.
Enough of second best.
Enough of making up the numbers.
We demand better.
We demand change.
Everton aren't we?

Without change, this football club is heading for the abyss. I promise you. Be brave.

Michael Boardman
54 Posted 28/12/2022 at 17:12:37
We are "too good" for Dyche and Allardyce, but yet Koeman, Martinez and Silva are acceptable – what, because they have some semblance of "style"? But then they are not – what the hell do we want?

5th to 7th wasn't good enough because it was a plucky little Everton; now, we'd take plucky little Everton in a heartbeat; which is why I would take David Moyes, restricted or not.

Or we could take a chance on an up-and-coming manager, like Potter was, because – let's be honest – there were more against making that move than for it on here.

Evertonians, we're never more depressed than when we have nothing to really be depressed about, and now we really do.

Steve Brown
55 Posted 28/12/2022 at 17:21:27
Dyche, Allardyce, Benitez, Martinez and Silva all managed their teams to relegation. They should not have got (or never get) anywhere near the Everton job with that on the CV.

If we are starting with what we don't want, that would be a good deselection criteria?

And there are 22 games left in the season to secure the wins we need.

Robert Tressell
56 Posted 28/12/2022 at 17:23:56
I think Tuchel also managed a team to relegation. Does that rule him out?
Deborah Maria
57 Posted 28/12/2022 at 17:26:07
Mr Page,

This isn't the first time you've called for some sort of boycott.

I'm just curious: Are you a match-going Evertonian?

Joe McMahon
58 Posted 28/12/2022 at 17:27:37
Steve, correct – although Silva is doing well now. Benitez also joined Newcastle when the writing was on the wall IMO.

You also missed Moyes off your relegation list. My brother-in-law is a Mackem, we have an agreement that his name isn't mentioned.

Dale Self
59 Posted 28/12/2022 at 17:27:42
I'm with the Kompany suggestions but Tuchel would be a fireworks display that the squad would wilt under, in my opinion. Kompany is young enough to be the kind of patient yet demanding coach needed.

Any suggestion to bring back someone who has already been here must be okay with a damaged reputation because that would be a humiliation, even if it was Silva.

Stu Darlington
60 Posted 28/12/2022 at 17:27:48
Vincent Kompany seems a good shout to me. He's got a relatively poor Burnley squad playing forward through the lines, doing well in the Championship, a tough league by anyone's judgement.

He's learnt from one of the best coaches in the world and he and his family still live in Manchester. The question is: Would he come here?

Well, we could probably pay him more than Burnley and probably offer him a bigger transfer budget. We are also arguably a “bigger “ club than Burnley with an exciting new stadium on the way, so I think we could have a few bargaining chips to bring to the table.

Could we get him in time to make a difference this season and could he do a better job than Lampard? I'm afraid I don't have an answer to those questions but anything has to be better than the turgid rubbish we are being served up, week-in & week-out at the moment!

Ed Prytherch
61 Posted 28/12/2022 at 17:36:38
Paul 31,

I watched the Blackburn - Wigan game earlier in the season and Brereton Diaz looked no better than Nathan Broadhead.

I agree with you that Simms looks better on current form.

Michael Boardman
64 Posted 28/12/2022 at 18:28:37
So Steve, we just need proven winners, or is it it non-relegation managers?

Stick with Lampard then, but who do we go with next season? Steve Cooper, David Unsworth or even big Dunc?

Nah, let's just get Deschamps...

Brian Wilkinson
67 Posted 28/12/2022 at 18:38:53
Robert @48, you asked Christine a question: Have you ever seen Mills, Cannon and Price?

If you do not mind me answering the question of what have you seen in them, here are my thoughts:

Yes, I have seen all three and all be it for the Under-23s and briefly on the US tour, what I see is Price in the middle who can play a forward pass, is comfortable on the ball and able to link up play.

In Cannon, I see a striker who is hitting the net regularly, is getting into goal-scoring positions, and full of confidence

In Mills, I see a player with a footballing brain, who can dribble, go past players, look up and play a pass – and can score goals.

So yes, these kids might not be ready to make the step up, but they are certainly playing with confidence and doing what is required. Can they really be any worse than Maupay, McNeil and Doucoure???

Danny O’Neill
69 Posted 28/12/2022 at 18:56:23
I don't know enough about Price or Cannon to comment.

I've liked what I've seen of Mills and I've followed Warrington, who I do rate.

Like all young players, the question or challenge will be if they can make the step up.

Rob Halligan
71 Posted 28/12/2022 at 19:10:31
Isaac Price is 19; Stanley Mills is also 19; Tom Cannon is 20 today – Happy Birthday, Tom.

We are playing players not much older than all three, so why on earth can't they be given a chance?

Lack of first team action is probably the answer, so when if any, will they be given that chance to make the step up? But please Frank, don't throw them all in against Man Utd in the FA Cup.

Barry Rathbone
72 Posted 28/12/2022 at 19:13:15
I don't think Frank has grasped the notion "keeping the faith" has been the straw clutched by Evertonians for 27 years (bar 2004-05 and 2013-14.

I think the straw is down to its last fibres.

Dave Lynch
73 Posted 28/12/2022 at 19:42:24
We are not going to get a big-name manager: no-one will touch us with a bargepole considering the sack rate we've got.

If... in a parallel world, I could pick our next boss to manage this bunch of wasters, I'd pick Simeone.

That would be a fireworks display.

Martin Mason
75 Posted 28/12/2022 at 19:53:23
For the vast majority of clubs, keeping the faith is all that their supporters can ever have and as such they are simply the best of all fans.

Expecting top trophies is an irrational problem only suffered by the fans of a tiny minority of top clubs. I'm a 60-year duration Blue and I neither expect nor demand trophies.

Rob Halligan
76 Posted 28/12/2022 at 20:03:24
Actually, thinking about my post # 71, maybe the cup game at Man Utd might be an ideal time to throw Mills, Price and Cannon into the starting lineup. We might get a bit more effort out of them, and you never know, a result!

Suppose it won't hurt them to play in a cup game at Old Trafford, in front of 9,400 travelling blues. Now that would really lift them and inspire them to show what wearing the blue shirt means!

Robert Tressell
77 Posted 28/12/2022 at 20:25:12
That's all fair enough, Brian.

And personally I'd have tried Cannon and Maupay together as a duo against Wolves. I think they'd have helped each other.

However, none of the three have any youth international recognition to speak of (Cannon is not even capped at Ireland U21 level despite an absolute paucity of any quality) – and none have loan experience. Real scouts passing judgement do not rate them very highly.

I get that Jeffers and Ball and a few others came straight in previously but these had both been with England since they were in the U16s.

It would be madness to start these 3 players together because they absolutely can be worse than the likes of McNeil, Maupay and Doucoure etc.

Christine Foster
78 Posted 28/12/2022 at 20:58:34

Sorry, I just woke up to the new day and saw your post. In response, I can only make the following comments:

No, I have not seen them all together against Premier League teams, which in a way is exactly my point; neither has any of the opposition!

Are they good enough? Well, they are in the first-team squad, so one would think they are there or thereabouts and, at some point, we will find out.

My point was two-fold: firstly, you say they can be a lot worse than Maupay, or Gray, etc. Take your pick of several, but it's patently obvious that the current line-up is nowhere near good enough either.

Secondly, we are throwing the "unknown" factor into play; opposition teams know and study how individual opponents play… what they can or cannot do, in such detail they probably know what they had for breakfast.

But with Cannon, Mills and Price, we are introducing the unknown against opposition who won't know what to expect.
If they aren't good enough, they shouldn't be in the squad... and therein lies our biggest issue, the first 11 are nowhere near good enough, let alone the rest.

Can it go horribly wrong? It may not work but we are gambling because the odds are against us in every game as it is. We can always change it around with 5 subs anyway...

Paul Kernot
79 Posted 28/12/2022 at 21:44:36
I agree, Christine. Give it a go & change it if necessary.

I did see all 3 of them in Sydney. Only Price caught my eye really, and as we know, that was against decidedly average opposition.

I thought Cannon was slow and ponderous although I didn't see enough of him to be certain of that. Simms is an all-round better bet up front if we had him available.

Jerome Shields
80 Posted 28/12/2022 at 22:34:51
Whilst it maybe a good idea to bring on young players, there are questions regarding the transfer policy of Everton and who is involved.

Benitez spent approx £100,000 in his first transfer window. He pulled in some favours from older players and some has-beens with intial success. He allowed Allan to continue as a similar signing by Ancelotti.

He basically appeared to consider Brands a waste of space, who fell on his sword. In the January transfer window, interest in Patterson was resurrected and we got him as part of a Digne exchange deal, with the unknown Mykolenko.

All of these latter players seem to have been brought with no manager or a Director of Football involvement as neither existed at that stage. Frank started in the last weekend of the transfer window.

On to the Summer transfer window and our new Director of Football sourced players that Frank needed, but none of these players had previous connections with Frank as far as I can see and his role was more approval than any say in how the budget would be spent.

There was a decision taken not to source a replacement or back-up for Calvert-Lewin. Rondon was thought sufficient. There is also what appears to be a policy to cash in on players of perceived value: Richarlison and Gordon, the latter being a debacle.

According to recent reports, representatives of Pickford are saying that the delay in Pickford signing a new contract is because of a hold-up at Board level. Suitors are lining up.

Doucoure appears to be as good as gone. Other players have gone and loaning out of Academy players is at the same level as before, a continuation of Brands reducing the wages bill, leaving Everton lean in squad depth.

The remit for Frank and his backroom staff was to develop a formula of play which would be repeatedly used in training to reflect what would be played on the pitch. This is the remnants of Ancelotti's formula play, the continuation of what was Benitez's remit, with an emphasis on financial constraints and Frank's in a similar fashion.

The problem is the players have increasingly shown that they are not up to providing the ingredients for this formula. Part of the problem overlooked by many is the manager's input into the transfers of players, in and out, seems to be limited.

There are parties at Everton other than the manager that think they know best how to fulfil these requirements, figuring heavy in involvement at the time, but the evidence for years is they don't and are considered as little more than interfering.

Money appears an ugly motivation at times. Thelwell appears to be an addition to their ranks, or part of the team, as Brands was, his 26 new positions being cited as change and progress.

On top of that, the squad preparations appear to be the same as they have always been, contributing to individual underperformance, the hallmarks of what we all recognise, having seen it many times before.

Everton are prepared according to Frank and his backroom staff's system of play. The players, many of them selected by who is involved in transfers, with financial constraints as a priority or control, with the light touch of managers, are not suitable for the system. The committment to training and wanting to be selected is questionable, since many of the players appear a yard short, and some often look as if they aren't bothered.

I am not saying any of the above is 100 percent right, but it is as I honestly see it. Everton have a Chairman who, according to him, other Premier League clubs look to what Everton would do. While Everton have a Chief Executive Officer on her way to the moon with Strategic Plans, and a structure of fancy titles, with popstar-waged staff who obviously think they know what they are doing.

There appears to be a large dose of well-paid delusion throughout the club, but no-one is mentioning Top 4 status or progress in competitions. There is plenty of hype regarding the new Everton Stadium, which mercifully they seem to have nothing to do with.

The end of the road for this crap is surely soon. When I have identified such crap in previous business scenarios, it inevitability did, often to my surprise.

But the amount of money available to keep things going is something I have never seen before. Moshiri appears to be quids in still on his investment. He must still have the goose that lays golden eggs...

Tony Abrahams
81 Posted 29/12/2022 at 10:10:01
What do you think Moshiri’s full outlay has been with regards to buying the club, and then paying for everything else on top?
Jerome Shields
82 Posted 29/12/2022 at 10:56:28

I think it is close to £1 billion, but it is determined by Moshiri's valuation. Some money has been recuped on player sales and deals done on contracts.

I also think he got control of the club at a discount, allowing Kenwright to stay. Whilst what he has paid out is a lot, the value of the money he put in is determined by where it came from. If he managed to invest money in Everton that he could not invest anywhere else and, once invested in Everton, got value.

Offshore is a complicated world and what appears to be a straight-forward structure which can have standard analysis, like Paul the Esk, can have a totally different perspective from an onshore investor perspective.

Everton will not go bust. They can't get relegated either, they have to maintain the agreements with the Premier League. The Football League are bastards when it comes to their rules.

I think Everton is run on those terms where they maintain Premier League status, the financial end is controlled within the Premier League Profitability and Sustainability rules, which includes the control of money going out on wages and transfers.

The manager has just a sign-off role on a transfer team that includes the Director of Football. I doubt the manager has any input into the actual deals, especially where part-exchanges are involved.Maybe Sharpy has a role…

In the meantime, the main channel for funds is the stadium development and other related investments, some we might not be aware off.

Being able to manage funds within or being able to manipulate the rules that the football authorities have in place is the key to getting funds into the project and something I think Kenwright was kept on to do.

Of course, Bill being Kenwright will try to get things in his favour as he has always done. When the stadium in completed, it is then that the legitimate value of the club can be worked out. It will be considerably more than Moshiri's outlay.

I do think that Moshiri thought the football side would have been more plain sailing, but the stadium side is well managed and will be highly profitable. The club is being run and controlled with this objective, but the interference via financial control is killing the football on the pitch.

Dealing with the fans is via PR structures and only considered when they get out of hand.

Jerome Shields
83 Posted 29/12/2022 at 11:19:46
I do think that Moshiri is happy for those that run the Premier League Profit and Sustainability Rules to apply the financial constraints that he failed to do.

Of course, this involves the Board and Executive level at Everton and ensures their involvement and control in all decisions.

The management of the team at Everton has been relegated to providing a playing formula, and making do with the players provided.

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